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2012-12-11 09:12:47 AM
Good for the Dodgers.

Does anyone understand that Royals/Rays trade?
 
2012-12-11 09:17:29 AM

Gunny Highway: Does anyone understand that Royals/Rays trade?


I understand that it's awesome for my Rays. Juego Grande is getting old by Rays standards and Davis isn't in our top 5 anymore.
 
2012-12-11 09:21:51 AM

Gunny Highway: Good for the Dodgers.

Does anyone understand that Royals/Rays trade?


I don't understand trading away Wil Myers for that little. He's supposed to be one of THE prospects, next to Billy Hamilton. I can't wait for him to arrive to The Show.
 
2012-12-11 09:21:59 AM

tricycleracer: Gunny Highway: Does anyone understand that Royals/Rays trade?

I understand that it's awesome for my Rays. Juego Grande is getting old by Rays standards and Davis isn't in our top 5 anymore.


The Royals starting RF is Jeff Francoeur. It is just a confusing trade and I dont know how the GM still has his job.
 
2012-12-11 09:24:49 AM

Gunny Highway: Does anyone understand that Royals/Rays trade?


Sure. The Royals needed more pitching. The Rays needed more hitting. So trade two pitchers who aren't named David Price to the Royals for a prospect who most scouts believe will be a perennial All-Star and three other prospects. The Royals get an "ace" for their team. The Rays get an outfielder who will replace BJ Upton in the lineup.

I think the Royals got the short end of the deal on this, but they are desperate to compete in the AL Central as it's a winable division considering the Tigers only got 88 wins last year.
 
2012-12-11 09:37:35 AM

Terlis: Gunny Highway: Does anyone understand that Royals/Rays trade?

Sure. The Royals needed more pitching. The Rays needed more hitting. So trade two pitchers who aren't named David Price to the Royals for a prospect who most scouts believe will be a perennial All-Star and three other prospects. The Royals get an "ace" for their team. The Rays get an outfielder who will replace BJ Upton in the lineup.

I think the Royals got the short end of the deal on this, but they are desperate to compete in the AL Central as it's a winable division considering the Tigers only got 88 wins last year.


I think the White Sox are going to claim next year. Robin Ventura's freshman campaign exceeded expectations, and Jeff Keppinger at 3rd is going to solve what has been a big problem for the past couple of seasons. Youk was awesome, and won some clutch games, but he isn't as good as he used to be. The Tigers will probably be deflated from losing the WS so badly.
 
2012-12-11 09:39:30 AM

Gunny Highway: Good for the Dodgers.

Does anyone understand that Royals/Rays trade?


It becomes understandable when you realize that Dayton Moore is in his 6th year as the Royals GM, and needs the team to at least compete for a playoff spot next year, so he can still be around when all the young talent he acquired (hopefully) comes together and the Royals are a true contender in 2014-15.
 
2012-12-11 09:44:24 AM

Gunny Highway: tricycleracer: Gunny Highway: Does anyone understand that Royals/Rays trade?

I understand that it's awesome for my Rays. Juego Grande is getting old by Rays standards and Davis isn't in our top 5 anymore.

The Royals starting RF is Jeff Francoeur. It is just a confusing trade and I dont know how the GM still has his job.


This is the year Francoeur puts it all together and breaks out with a .275/20/80, I can feel it!
 
2012-12-11 09:49:37 AM

jayhawk88: Gunny Highway: Good for the Dodgers.

Does anyone understand that Royals/Rays trade?

It becomes understandable when you realize that Dayton Moore is in his 6th year as the Royals GM, and needs the team to at least compete for a playoff spot next year, so he can still be around when all the young talent he acquired (hopefully) comes together and the Royals are a true contender in 2014-15.


One of the reasons why I like the move. If you have a chance to get to the playoffs when you're the Royals, you gotta make a run at it. It lets your fanbase and future free agents know that winning is a priority.

It's kinda like when Milwaukee rented Sabathia for a half of a season when they didn't get into the playoffs in forever. Of course Shields isn't as good, but he was probably the best available out there after this years free agents turned the Royals down.
 
2012-12-11 09:52:37 AM

Gunny Highway: Good for the Dodgers.

Does anyone understand that Royals/Rays trade?


The Royals gave Meyers for a pitcher that not including Verlander is as good as any in the Central. Davis who's looking to be a 4/5 starter as trade for Jake O. The other prospect pitcher was once a raising star but his value has fallen. This is not a desperate move by the GM. This move is a very bold and promising move by the Royals. Moore is ready to win a weak division. I love the fact that he convinced Glass to move past the 80 million mark
 
2012-12-11 09:55:27 AM

coolio mack: jayhawk88: Gunny Highway: Good for the Dodgers.

Does anyone understand that Royals/Rays trade?

It becomes understandable when you realize that Dayton Moore is in his 6th year as the Royals GM, and needs the team to at least compete for a playoff spot next year, so he can still be around when all the young talent he acquired (hopefully) comes together and the Royals are a true contender in 2014-15.

One of the reasons why I like the move. If you have a chance to get to the playoffs when you're the Royals, you gotta make a run at it. It lets your fanbase and future free agents know that winning is a priority.

It's kinda like when Milwaukee rented Sabathia for a half of a season when they didn't get into the playoffs in forever. Of course Shields isn't as good, but he was probably the best available out there after this years free agents turned the Royals down.


Yeah but as one article I was reading the other day (Grantland?) pointed out, getting Shields and his $12 mil price tag or whatever isn't significantly better than any number of other FA options that were out there. Why not just give a 3 year/$10-11 million a year deal to a quality starter, and keep your can't-miss superstar in the making prospect? Is James Shields really getting anyone in KC excited/selling tickets?
 
2012-12-11 09:58:09 AM
Why wasnt Myers brought up last season? Frenchie was the worst player in the majors.

Thanks for all the answers, guys. I guess time will tell on this trade.
 
2012-12-11 10:02:27 AM

jayhawk88: coolio mack: jayhawk88: Gunny Highway: Good for the Dodgers.

Does anyone understand that Royals/Rays trade?

It becomes understandable when you realize that Dayton Moore is in his 6th year as the Royals GM, and needs the team to at least compete for a playoff spot next year, so he can still be around when all the young talent he acquired (hopefully) comes together and the Royals are a true contender in 2014-15.

One of the reasons why I like the move. If you have a chance to get to the playoffs when you're the Royals, you gotta make a run at it. It lets your fanbase and future free agents know that winning is a priority.

It's kinda like when Milwaukee rented Sabathia for a half of a season when they didn't get into the playoffs in forever. Of course Shields isn't as good, but he was probably the best available out there after this years free agents turned the Royals down.

Yeah but as one article I was reading the other day (Grantland?) pointed out, getting Shields and his $12 mil price tag or whatever isn't significantly better than any number of other FA options that were out there. Why not just give a 3 year/$10-11 million a year deal to a quality starter, and keep your can't-miss superstar in the making prospect? Is James Shields really getting anyone in KC excited/selling tickets?


Let's be honest. A pitcher that might cost the Yankees or Cards 12-15 is going to cause the Royals 15-17 to even be considered given the culture and history around KC. Do you really think that Moore wouldn't be bidding on some the free agent if he had the budget?
 
2012-12-11 10:07:28 AM

SkylineRecords: Terlis: Gunny Highway: Does anyone understand that Royals/Rays trade?

Sure. The Royals needed more pitching. The Rays needed more hitting. So trade two pitchers who aren't named David Price to the Royals for a prospect who most scouts believe will be a perennial All-Star and three other prospects. The Royals get an "ace" for their team. The Rays get an outfielder who will replace BJ Upton in the lineup.

I think the Royals got the short end of the deal on this, but they are desperate to compete in the AL Central as it's a winable division considering the Tigers only got 88 wins last year.

I think the White Sox are going to claim next year. Robin Ventura's freshman campaign exceeded expectations, and Jeff Keppinger at 3rd is going to solve what has been a big problem for the past couple of seasons. Youk was awesome, and won some clutch games, but he isn't as good as he used to be. The Tigers will probably be deflated from losing the WS so badly.


You really think that professional athletes are going to be so sad that they lost the world Series that six months later they are going to be playing poorly?

Plus, the Tigers are getting two major upgrades -- Victor Martinez over Anti-Semite Young and Josh Hamilton over Quenton Berry / Brennan Boesch.
 
2012-12-11 10:09:15 AM

meanmutton: Josh Hamilton over Quenton Berry / Brennan Boesch.


wait... did I miss this? I think that's just a rumor, right?
 
2012-12-11 10:19:11 AM
The Dodgers will have a 2013 payroll of -at least- $225M, easily pushing them to the top.
 
2012-12-11 10:20:37 AM

thecpt: meanmutton: Josh Hamilton over Quenton Berry / Brennan Boesch.

wait... did I miss this? I think that's just a rumor, right?


shiat, Torii Hunter. Sorry.
 
2012-12-11 10:25:05 AM

The Bestest: The Dodgers will have a 2013 payroll of -at least- $225M, easily pushing them to the top.



and they'll still lose the division to the giants.
 
2012-12-11 10:28:01 AM

Don't Touch That: The Bestest: The Dodgers will have a 2013 payroll of -at least- $225M, easily pushing them to the top.


and they'll still lose the division to the giants.


Lol
Anyone want to bet how long before Zack has another breakdown ?
 
2012-12-11 10:51:41 AM

meanmutton: SkylineRecords: Terlis: Gunny Highway: Does anyone understand that Royals/Rays trade?

Sure. The Royals needed more pitching. The Rays needed more hitting. So trade two pitchers who aren't named David Price to the Royals for a prospect who most scouts believe will be a perennial All-Star and three other prospects. The Royals get an "ace" for their team. The Rays get an outfielder who will replace BJ Upton in the lineup.

I think the Royals got the short end of the deal on this, but they are desperate to compete in the AL Central as it's a winable division considering the Tigers only got 88 wins last year.

I think the White Sox are going to claim next year. Robin Ventura's freshman campaign exceeded expectations, and Jeff Keppinger at 3rd is going to solve what has been a big problem for the past couple of seasons. Youk was awesome, and won some clutch games, but he isn't as good as he used to be. The Tigers will probably be deflated from losing the WS so badly.

You really think that professional athletes are going to be so sad that they lost the world Series that six months later they are going to be playing poorly?

Plus, the Tigers are getting two major upgrades -- Victor Martinez over Anti-Semite Young and Josh Hamilton over Quenton Berry / Brennan Boesch.


Well they didn't exactly put up an inspiring fight. Their whole season was relatively mediocre until the Sox collapsed their last 10 games. Rios and Dunn got back to form, our only major issue was a couple of holes in starting pitching, and the White Sox has a great combination of young talent and veteran hitters. Obvious as my bias may be, I predict the White Sox for the AL Central.
 
2012-12-11 10:57:12 AM

SkylineRecords: meanmutton: SkylineRecords: Terlis: Gunny Highway: Does anyone understand that Royals/Rays trade?

Sure. The Royals needed more pitching. The Rays needed more hitting. So trade two pitchers who aren't named David Price to the Royals for a prospect who most scouts believe will be a perennial All-Star and three other prospects. The Royals get an "ace" for their team. The Rays get an outfielder who will replace BJ Upton in the lineup.

I think the Royals got the short end of the deal on this, but they are desperate to compete in the AL Central as it's a winable division considering the Tigers only got 88 wins last year.

I think the White Sox are going to claim next year. Robin Ventura's freshman campaign exceeded expectations, and Jeff Keppinger at 3rd is going to solve what has been a big problem for the past couple of seasons. Youk was awesome, and won some clutch games, but he isn't as good as he used to be. The Tigers will probably be deflated from losing the WS so badly.

You really think that professional athletes are going to be so sad that they lost the world Series that six months later they are going to be playing poorly?

Plus, the Tigers are getting two major upgrades -- Victor Martinez over Anti-Semite Young and Josh Hamilton over Quenton Berry / Brennan Boesch.

Well they didn't exactly put up an inspiring fight. Their whole season was relatively mediocre until the Sox collapsed their last 10 games. Rios and Dunn got back to form, our only major issue was a couple of holes in starting pitching, and the White Sox has a great combination of young talent and veteran hitters. Obvious as my bias may be, I predict the White Sox for the AL Central.


The Tigers have spent the last 6 weeks purging most of their really bad players (Raburn, Young, and Valverde specifically). There's no reason to think they won't be better than last year, especially if they eventually re-sign Sanchez.
 
2012-12-11 11:04:29 AM

SkylineRecords: meanmutton: SkylineRecords: Terlis: Gunny Highway: Does anyone understand that Royals/Rays trade?

Sure. The Royals needed more pitching. The Rays needed more hitting. So trade two pitchers who aren't named David Price to the Royals for a prospect who most scouts believe will be a perennial All-Star and three other prospects. The Royals get an "ace" for their team. The Rays get an outfielder who will replace BJ Upton in the lineup.

I think the Royals got the short end of the deal on this, but they are desperate to compete in the AL Central as it's a winable division considering the Tigers only got 88 wins last year.

I think the White Sox are going to claim next year. Robin Ventura's freshman campaign exceeded expectations, and Jeff Keppinger at 3rd is going to solve what has been a big problem for the past couple of seasons. Youk was awesome, and won some clutch games, but he isn't as good as he used to be. The Tigers will probably be deflated from losing the WS so badly.

You really think that professional athletes are going to be so sad that they lost the world Series that six months later they are going to be playing poorly?

Plus, the Tigers are getting two major upgrades -- Victor Martinez over Anti-Semite Young and Josh Hamilton over Quenton Berry / Brennan Boesch.

Well they didn't exactly put up an inspiring fight. Their whole season was relatively mediocre until the Sox collapsed their last 10 games. Rios and Dunn got back to form, our only major issue was a couple of holes in starting pitching, and the White Sox has a great combination of young talent and veteran hitters. Obvious as my bias may be, I predict the White Sox for the AL Central.


Well here is the 100% correct order of finish in the AL Central next year

1 Detroit
2 KC
3 Cleavland
4 Chicago
5 Minnesota
 
2012-12-11 11:07:47 AM

SkylineRecords: meanmutton: SkylineRecords: Terlis: Gunny Highway: Does anyone understand that Royals/Rays trade?

Sure. The Royals needed more pitching. The Rays needed more hitting. So trade two pitchers who aren't named David Price to the Royals for a prospect who most scouts believe will be a perennial All-Star and three other prospects. The Royals get an "ace" for their team. The Rays get an outfielder who will replace BJ Upton in the lineup.

I think the Royals got the short end of the deal on this, but they are desperate to compete in the AL Central as it's a winable division considering the Tigers only got 88 wins last year.

I think the White Sox are going to claim next year. Robin Ventura's freshman campaign exceeded expectations, and Jeff Keppinger at 3rd is going to solve what has been a big problem for the past couple of seasons. Youk was awesome, and won some clutch games, but he isn't as good as he used to be. The Tigers will probably be deflated from losing the WS so badly.

You really think that professional athletes are going to be so sad that they lost the world Series that six months later they are going to be playing poorly?

Plus, the Tigers are getting two major upgrades -- Victor Martinez over Anti-Semite Young and Josh Hamilton over Quenton Berry / Brennan Boesch.

Well they didn't exactly put up an inspiring fight. Their whole season was relatively mediocre until the Sox collapsed their last 10 games. Rios and Dunn got back to form, our only major issue was a couple of holes in starting pitching, and the White Sox has a great combination of young talent and veteran hitters. Obvious as my bias may be, I predict the White Sox for the AL Central.


The Tigers under acheived last year. Justin Verlander, Prince Fielder, Jhonny Peralta, Alex Avila all had mediocre (for them) years. Plus, you have an upgrade from a AAAA player to a 9-time gold glover with above-average batting and an upgrade from the unreliable Young to a consistent Victor Martinez and yeah, the Tigers should be awesome next year.
 
2012-12-11 11:08:45 AM

wxboy: SkylineRecords: meanmutton: SkylineRecords: Terlis: Gunny Highway: Does anyone understand that Royals/Rays trade?

Sure. The Royals needed more pitching. The Rays needed more hitting. So trade two pitchers who aren't named David Price to the Royals for a prospect who most scouts believe will be a perennial All-Star and three other prospects. The Royals get an "ace" for their team. The Rays get an outfielder who will replace BJ Upton in the lineup.

I think the Royals got the short end of the deal on this, but they are desperate to compete in the AL Central as it's a winable division considering the Tigers only got 88 wins last year.

I think the White Sox are going to claim next year. Robin Ventura's freshman campaign exceeded expectations, and Jeff Keppinger at 3rd is going to solve what has been a big problem for the past couple of seasons. Youk was awesome, and won some clutch games, but he isn't as good as he used to be. The Tigers will probably be deflated from losing the WS so badly.

You really think that professional athletes are going to be so sad that they lost the world Series that six months later they are going to be playing poorly?

Plus, the Tigers are getting two major upgrades -- Victor Martinez over Anti-Semite Young and Josh Hamilton over Quenton Berry / Brennan Boesch.

Well they didn't exactly put up an inspiring fight. Their whole season was relatively mediocre until the Sox collapsed their last 10 games. Rios and Dunn got back to form, our only major issue was a couple of holes in starting pitching, and the White Sox has a great combination of young talent and veteran hitters. Obvious as my bias may be, I predict the White Sox for the AL Central.

The Tigers have spent the last 6 weeks purging most of their really bad players (Raburn, Young, and Valverde specifically). There's no reason to think they won't be better than last year, especially if they eventually re-sign Sanchez.


I believe Delmon Young is the reason you beat the Yankees in the first place, being the series MVP and all.
 
2012-12-11 11:20:10 AM

SkylineRecords: I believe Delmon Young is the reason you beat the Yankees in the first place, being the series MVP and all.


The pitching is why the Tigers beat the Yankees. Young just had a few good games in a row. The entire rest of the year, he was pretty much an offensive (and defensive, when he was not DHing) black hole.
 
2012-12-11 11:23:30 AM

wxboy: SkylineRecords: I believe Delmon Young is the reason you beat the Yankees in the first place, being the series MVP and all.

The pitching is why the Tigers beat the Yankees. Young just had a few good games in a row. The entire rest of the year, he was pretty much an offensive (and defensive, when he was not DHing) black hole.


Was he the black hole that sucked Prince Fielder in to go 1 for 19 in the biggest series of his life?
 
2012-12-11 11:25:21 AM

SkylineRecords: wxboy: SkylineRecords: I believe Delmon Young is the reason you beat the Yankees in the first place, being the series MVP and all.

The pitching is why the Tigers beat the Yankees. Young just had a few good games in a row. The entire rest of the year, he was pretty much an offensive (and defensive, when he was not DHing) black hole.

Was he the black hole that sucked Prince Fielder in to go 1 for 19 in the biggest series of his life?


I'm talking about the whole year, not just the postseason.
 
2012-12-11 11:30:33 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Don't Touch That: The Bestest: The Dodgers will have a 2013 payroll of -at least- $225M, easily pushing them to the top.


and they'll still lose the division to the giants.

Lol
Anyone want to bet how long before Zack has another breakdown ?


This summer when Starbucks gives him a caramel sprinkles instead of mocha.
 
2012-12-11 11:46:38 AM

SkylineRecords: Was he the black hole that sucked Prince Fielder in to go 1 for 19 in the biggest series of his life?


Hey, if you'd gladly take a roster of Delmon Youngs into next season because of his superb clutch-gritness over a very small span of games, knock yourself out.
 
2012-12-11 11:51:32 AM

Killer Cars: SkylineRecords: Was he the black hole that sucked Prince Fielder in to go 1 for 19 in the biggest series of his life?

Hey, if you'd gladly take a roster of Delmon Youngs into next season because of his superb clutch-gritness over a very small span of games, knock yourself out.


No, I'm good with Paul Konerko, Alex Rios, Adam Dunn, Jeff Keppinger, and Alejandro De Aza. It's not the greatest team, but they're well-rounded and seem like a coherent plan.
 
2012-12-11 11:55:28 AM

SkylineRecords: wxboy: SkylineRecords: I believe Delmon Young is the reason you beat the Yankees in the first place, being the series MVP and all.

The pitching is why the Tigers beat the Yankees. Young just had a few good games in a row. The entire rest of the year, he was pretty much an offensive (and defensive, when he was not DHing) black hole.

Was he the black hole that sucked Prince Fielder in to go 1 for 19 in the biggest series of his life?


April, May, June, July -- Young was horrible. Honestly, losing him isn't going to be that big of a loss.
 
2012-12-11 12:02:47 PM

SkylineRecords: Killer Cars: SkylineRecords: Was he the black hole that sucked Prince Fielder in to go 1 for 19 in the biggest series of his life?

Hey, if you'd gladly take a roster of Delmon Youngs into next season because of his superb clutch-gritness over a very small span of games, knock yourself out.

No, I'm good with Paul Konerko, Alex Rios, Adam Dunn, Jeff Keppinger, and Alejandro De Aza. It's not the greatest team, but they're well-rounded and seem like a coherent plan.


Eh, I'd rather have Prince Fielder, Torii Hunter, Victor Marinez, Miguel Cabrerra, and Austin Jackson. Player by player, all at the same position, the Tigers are younger (okay, Dunn and V-Mart are the same age down to a month) and have more talent than each of those players.
 
2012-12-11 12:06:17 PM

meanmutton: SkylineRecords: wxboy: SkylineRecords: I believe Delmon Young is the reason you beat the Yankees in the first place, being the series MVP and all.

The pitching is why the Tigers beat the Yankees. Young just had a few good games in a row. The entire rest of the year, he was pretty much an offensive (and defensive, when he was not DHing) black hole.

Was he the black hole that sucked Prince Fielder in to go 1 for 19 in the biggest series of his life?

April, May, June, July -- Young was horrible. Honestly, losing him isn't going to be that big of a loss.


Losing Young is addition by subtraction
 
2012-12-11 12:25:19 PM

Rex_Banner: meanmutton: SkylineRecords: wxboy: SkylineRecords: I believe Delmon Young is the reason you beat the Yankees in the first place, being the series MVP and all.

The pitching is why the Tigers beat the Yankees. Young just had a few good games in a row. The entire rest of the year, he was pretty much an offensive (and defensive, when he was not DHing) black hole.

Was he the black hole that sucked Prince Fielder in to go 1 for 19 in the biggest series of his life?

April, May, June, July -- Young was horrible. Honestly, losing him isn't going to be that big of a loss.

Losing Young is addition by subtraction


Delmon Young is useless unless you're playing the Yankees.
He was hot in the 2011 ALDS as well.
 
2012-12-11 12:46:13 PM
I read somewhere that the Royals offered Wil Myers straight-up to Oakland for Brett Anderson, and got turned down.

Think about that. Billy Beane, who never met a player he didn't get a boner at the thought of trading to Siberia, wouldn't trade a pitcher that, while extremely good, has started less than 40 games over the last three seasons and already has one TJ surgery under his belt.

I have the suspicion that Myers isn't as "can't-miss" as advertised.
 
2012-12-11 12:56:59 PM

jayhawk88: coolio mack: jayhawk88: Gunny Highway: Good for the Dodgers.

Does anyone understand that Royals/Rays trade?

It becomes understandable when you realize that Dayton Moore is in his 6th year as the Royals GM, and needs the team to at least compete for a playoff spot next year, so he can still be around when all the young talent he acquired (hopefully) comes together and the Royals are a true contender in 2014-15.

One of the reasons why I like the move. If you have a chance to get to the playoffs when you're the Royals, you gotta make a run at it. It lets your fanbase and future free agents know that winning is a priority.

It's kinda like when Milwaukee rented Sabathia for a half of a season when they didn't get into the playoffs in forever. Of course Shields isn't as good, but he was probably the best available out there after this years free agents turned the Royals down.

Yeah but as one article I was reading the other day (Grantland?) pointed out, getting Shields and his $12 mil price tag or whatever isn't significantly better than any number of other FA options that were out there. Why not just give a 3 year/$10-11 million a year deal to a quality starter, and keep your can't-miss superstar in the making prospect? Is James Shields really getting anyone in KC excited/selling tickets?


Someone already commented that no free agent in his right mind would go to KC. And, there really weren't Shields-level free agents. After Greinke, you have pretty-good guys like Anibal Sanchez, or pretty good guys coming off career years like Kyle Lohse, or old guys like Oswalt or Dempster.

That being said, what the heck are the Royals doing, other than trying to save their GM's job.
 
2012-12-11 01:31:13 PM
Go Brewers!

:/
 
2012-12-11 01:36:02 PM

Dafatone: jayhawk88: coolio mack: jayhawk88: Gunny Highway: Good for the Dodgers.

Does anyone understand that Royals/Rays trade?

It becomes understandable when you realize that Dayton Moore is in his 6th year as the Royals GM, and needs the team to at least compete for a playoff spot next year, so he can still be around when all the young talent he acquired (hopefully) comes together and the Royals are a true contender in 2014-15.

One of the reasons why I like the move. If you have a chance to get to the playoffs when you're the Royals, you gotta make a run at it. It lets your fanbase and future free agents know that winning is a priority.

It's kinda like when Milwaukee rented Sabathia for a half of a season when they didn't get into the playoffs in forever. Of course Shields isn't as good, but he was probably the best available out there after this years free agents turned the Royals down.

Yeah but as one article I was reading the other day (Grantland?) pointed out, getting Shields and his $12 mil price tag or whatever isn't significantly better than any number of other FA options that were out there. Why not just give a 3 year/$10-11 million a year deal to a quality starter, and keep your can't-miss superstar in the making prospect? Is James Shields really getting anyone in KC excited/selling tickets?

Someone already commented that no free agent in his right mind would go to KC. And, there really weren't Shields-level free agents. After Greinke, you have pretty-good guys like Anibal Sanchez, or pretty good guys coming off career years like Kyle Lohse, or old guys like Oswalt or Dempster.

That being said, what the heck are the Royals doing, other than trying to save their GM's job.


Dayton Moore (KC's gm) is trying to win now. For to long we have as fans been told wait till this guy shows and this one and this one. After rebuilding the farm system under Moore's watch he feels they are ready to win. The central is weak and detroit is suspect. Most KC fans I know are please with this trade. How long has it been since Royals ownership has said we are going to win this year and backed it up with bold trades. Shields is better then what they could have sign in free agency.
 
2012-12-11 01:50:39 PM
Dang it, I've been waiting for a baseball thread for days, and when it finally shows up, it's the day I can't really post. So, quick thoughts:

Greinke: Should be a good match, but has Greinke EVER had an above average defensive SS behind him? For most of his career, it was Yuni. Last year, the Brewers used a hodge-podge of random guys, none of whom were good. The Angels gave him Aybar, who was probably the best, but still mostly average. And now he gets Hanley.

Rays/Royals: In a vacuum, this is a win for the Rays, but not a huge one. But when you consider the Royals situation, it's completely insane. James Shields is not going to put them over the top. In fact, it's arguable that Shield's biggest strength (his ability to pitch deep into games) is somewhat wasted on the Royals, as they have a pretty good bullpen.

But, hey, at least Jeff Francoeur gets to play more!

Cagey B: I read somewhere that the Royals offered Wil Myers straight-up to Oakland for Brett Anderson, and got turned down.

Think about that. Billy Beane, who never met a player he didn't get a boner at the thought of trading to Siberia, wouldn't trade a pitcher that, while extremely good, has started less than 40 games over the last three seasons and already has one TJ surgery under his belt.

I have the suspicion that Myers isn't as "can't-miss" as advertised.


Wil Myers for Brett Anderson would've made the A's worse this year, and unlike the Royals, they really could compete in 2013. The last thing they need is ANOTHER OF. In effect, they would've had to turn around and trade Reddick or Myers for a different SP anyway.
 
2012-12-11 02:01:56 PM

DeWayne Mann: Wil Myers for Brett Anderson would've made the A's worse this year,


I think that's debateable given Brett Anderson's injury history and the fact that's it not terribly unlikely that we'll get little to no value from him in a given season.

DeWayne Mann: and unlike the Royals, they really could compete in 2013


Agreed. I don't see the Royals cracking .500.

DeWayne Mann: The last thing they need is ANOTHER OF. In effect, they would've had to turn around and trade Reddick or Myers for a different SP anyway.


Yeah, we've got a stuffed outfield. I don't know about being forced to deal a SP, though. Rotation at this point in time looks to be Anderson-Parker-Milone-Colon-Griffin, backed up by Travis Blackley in the pen for spot starts and with Dan Straily, Sonny Gray, Brad Peacock (if he stops shiatting the bed) and the seemingly endless A's pitching machine ready to reinforce from the minors. There looks to be plenty of depth.

I do agree though that Wil Myers for Brett Anderson is a less than desirable trade, but mostly that's because I don't really care for one-for-one deals where a proven commodity (however injury-prone) is traded for a prospect.
 
2012-12-11 02:19:08 PM

Cagey B: DeWayne Mann: Wil Myers for Brett Anderson would've made the A's worse this year,

I think that's debateable given Brett Anderson's injury history and the fact that's it not terribly unlikely that we'll get little to no value from him in a given season.

DeWayne Mann: and unlike the Royals, they really could compete in 2013

Agreed. I don't see the Royals cracking .500.

A ten game improvement is .500 for the Royals.
2013 rotation for KC is Shields, Santana, Guthirie, Davis + whoever wins out with Palino, Chen, Duffy and god help us hochvear. That's well in sight. Since they will be at .500 that puts them in the race. Frenchy is most likely not a season starter but a fourth of. Left to right its looking like Gordon,Dyson and Cain. Cain being a huge defensive improvement

 
2012-12-11 02:58:22 PM
My most vivid memories of Greinke was losing one of his 2011 playoff games. And of his poor road performances last year.

I'll never understand how someone that mediocre can get that much money.
 
2012-12-11 03:09:21 PM

fickenchucker: My most vivid memories of Greinke was losing one of his 2011 playoff games. And of his poor road performances last year.

I'll never understand how someone that mediocre can get that much money.


2009 my friend
 
2012-12-11 03:15:13 PM

fickenchucker: My most vivid memories of Greinke was losing one of his 2011 playoff games. And of his poor road performances last year.

I'll never understand how someone that mediocre can get that much money.


Because baseball teams put value in things that aren't "[random fan's] most vivid memory"
 
2012-12-11 03:18:54 PM

Rex_Banner: fickenchucker: My most vivid memories of Greinke was losing one of his 2011 playoff games. And of his poor road performances last year.

I'll never understand how someone that mediocre can get that much money.

Because baseball teams put value in things that aren't "[random fan's] most vivid memory"


And, things that aren't one game. That game? 5.2 IP, 2 earned runs (5 runs). Shrug. That's not exactly awful.

/Greinke's other two postseason starts sucked, but the Brewers won. Which is why we shouldn't care about wins and losses.
 
2012-12-11 03:42:56 PM

Cagey B: I think that's debateable given Brett Anderson's injury history and the fact that's it not terribly unlikely that we'll get little to no value from him in a given season.


Even if Brett Anderson gives you little value, as the team is currently constructed, that's almost certainly still more than Wil Myers would give this season.

fickenchucker: I'll never understand how someone that mediocre can get that much money.


Yes, a career FIP- of 80 sure is mediocre. But hey, it's not like he's been even better than that each of the last 4 years.

Oh, wait.

But fell free to keep on judging players by small sample sizes and stats dependent on other players (like, for instance, Yuniesky Betancourt).  I'm sure that's a lot of fun.
 
2012-12-11 04:08:35 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: fickenchucker: My most vivid memories of Greinke was losing one of his 2011 playoff games. And of his poor road performances last year.

I'll never understand how someone that mediocre can get that much money.

2009 my friend



Yeah, that one, too.

And I admit I wouldn't run a team well. When I invest my time and money into a game, I want the highly-paid stars to earn their dough by winning. If they don't I get really annoyed.

/Still angry at Tony Mandarich...
 
2012-12-11 04:11:07 PM

Killer Cars: SkylineRecords: Was he the black hole that sucked Prince Fielder in to go 1 for 19 in the biggest series of his life?

Hey, if you'd gladly take a roster of Delmon Youngs into next season because of his superb clutch-gritness over a very small span of games, knock yourself out.


It's the anti-semitism that puts him over the top and makes him a keeper for someone else's team for me.
 
2012-12-11 04:38:44 PM

DeWayne Mann: Yes, a career FIP- of 80 sure is mediocre.


Just because I had a few moments to check

Felix Hernandez, career FIP-: 81
CC Sabathia, career FIP-: 81
Justin Verlander, career FIP-: 79
Clayton Kershaw, career FIP-: 78

and, for the heck of it, James Shields: 93

100 is average, lower is better
 
2012-12-11 04:44:50 PM

DeWayne Mann: DeWayne Mann: Yes, a career FIP- of 80 sure is mediocre.

Just because I had a few moments to check

Felix Hernandez, career FIP-: 81
CC Sabathia, career FIP-: 81
Justin Verlander, career FIP-: 79
Clayton Kershaw, career FIP-: 78

and, for the heck of it, James Shields: 93

100 is average, lower is better


But I don't LIKE FIP!

I do think Greinke's getting a little too much money.
 
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