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2012-12-11 05:00:35 PM  

udhq: beta_plus: IT PASSED!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! ! !

SWEET DELICIOUS TEARS OF IMPOTENT LIBERAL RAGE!!!!!! THEY FEED ME!

Once again, this is why the GOP may never win another national election; you're willing to gut the middle class simply out of partisan spite. You'll cut the baby in half if it means sticking to the black guy.

What an ugly, disgusting little person you are.


He's just clutching for something... anything after the major thumping his party and their platform took earlier in November. To Republicans, it's all just a football game. Winning is everything, even if it means destroying the country.
 
2012-12-11 05:01:18 PM  

Coach_J: That's a ridiculous statement that has no basis in reality.

The UAW won't for a second entertain a CBA proposal that allows for open shop Union rules...they never have and they never will.


Why does GM have to deal with the UAW? I'm sure if they refused their contract, another organization would offer open shop rules, or GM could go entirely non-union.
 
2012-12-11 05:05:02 PM  

Leeds: jst3p: So they wanted bigger raises than the plant could support and instead of keeping their $16.89 per hour jobs, they forced Caterpillar to shutter the plant and open a new one where the workers weren't greedy communists.

I think th ...


Assumes facts not in evidence.


It could support what management says it could support. "What the plant can support" is purely subjective and the only one who can make the subjective call is management. Clearly they found that moving the plant elsewhere was better for Caterpillar once the UAW decided they were going to straight arm the company for more than they were worth. (And that part, "more than they were worth" is not subjective because in the end they did move the plant to avoid the UAW).


There is a big difference between "what the plant can support" and "what management is willing to support" and you know it. Are those goalposts heavy?
 
2012-12-11 05:06:15 PM  

OgreMagi: KellyX: Seems to me if I were the Union leaders, I'd just make sure in the next contract that all union workers get X% more than workers that aren't part of the union, that would encourage them to join and pay their dues.

So you would be in favor of a union contract that gurantees the company will have a huge incentive to go out of their way to hire non-union workers? I always thought union people were dumb, I just didn't realize the extent of the problem.


Wouldn't know, never been in a union.

And yes, they go out of their way to hire non-union that employee finds out by joining the union he automatically gets a X% raise and access to other benefits the union provides.

/something something something people dumb, something something didn't realize extent of the problem.
 
2012-12-11 05:13:27 PM  
Anybody who thinks that you can "negotiate" with your employer without having a union to back you is a farking moron. You'll have a bullseye on your back so fast it'll make your head spin.
 
2012-12-11 05:15:07 PM  

pornopose: Anybody who thinks that you can "negotiate" with your employer without having a union to back you is a farking moron. You'll have a bullseye on your back so fast it'll make your head spin.


well, except those people for whom such a thing is a pretty common occurrence
 
2012-12-11 05:16:46 PM  

trotsky: udhq: beta_plus: IT PASSED!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! ! !

SWEET DELICIOUS TEARS OF IMPOTENT LIBERAL RAGE!!!!!! THEY FEED ME!

Once again, this is why the GOP may never win another national election; you're willing to gut the middle class simply out of partisan spite. You'll cut the baby in half if it means sticking to the black guy.

What an ugly, disgusting little person you are.

I love how he, once more, treats it like his team is winning. This is why most "conservatives" are ridiculed outside their own little bubble. They come across as know-nothing little play ground bullies who run to nanny government the minute their bootstraps break.

Small Government Conservationism, what's that?


/Goldwater rolls in his grave.


Wait a second. You honestly think that RTW is a big government thing? Because last I looked unions have all sorts of federal protections. All RTW does is allow someone the right to decide if they would like to be a union member. If unions are as awesome as everyone says they are then its a no brainer that people will still decide to be in them. What are you guys even worried about?
 
2012-12-11 05:16:47 PM  

pornopose: Anybody who thinks that you can "negotiate" with your employer without having a union to back you is a farking moron. You'll have a bullseye on your back so fast it'll make your head spin.


You know how I know you aren't considered "skilled labor" with a skill set that is in demand?


/lunix, solaris storage and vmware admin
//I am well taken care of but if I weren't and I found a better offer they would match it
 
2012-12-11 05:21:13 PM  
So much for peaceful protesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_F3oev06i0&feature=player_embedded

I predict this will be looked upon favorably by fark libs and assailed by fark conservatives.
 
2012-12-11 05:22:03 PM  

jst3p: pornopose: Anybody who thinks that you can "negotiate" with your employer without having a union to back you is a farking moron. You'll have a bullseye on your back so fast it'll make your head spin.

You know how I know you aren't considered "skilled labor" with a skill set that is in demand?


/lunix, solaris storage and vmware admin
//I am well taken care of but if I weren't and I found a better offer they would match it


They still use commodore 64s where you work?
 
2012-12-11 05:23:04 PM  

spif: Unions work well in environments where the worker is little more than a machine doing a specific task.

There must be a reason that unions do poorly in service industries where job duties cannot be bullet-pointed and tasked out with a punch-card.


That must be why there aren't any service employee unions. Oh wait there are. You're a Moran.
 
2012-12-11 05:23:16 PM  

I alone am best: jst3p: pornopose: Anybody who thinks that you can "negotiate" with your employer without having a union to back you is a farking moron. You'll have a bullseye on your back so fast it'll make your head spin.

You know how I know you aren't considered "skilled labor" with a skill set that is in demand?


/lunix, solaris storage and vmware admin
//I am well taken care of but if I weren't and I found a better offer they would match it

They still use commodore 64s where you work?


They don't pay me to spell shiat right!
 
2012-12-11 05:26:35 PM  

slayer199: So much for peaceful protesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_F3oev06i0&feature=player_embedded

I predict this will be looked upon favorably by fark libs and assailed by fark conservatives.


Wow, that was uncalled for.
 
2012-12-11 05:27:22 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Leeds: Are you saying that I couldn't make my case to my employer that I could create more wealth for the company than a lazy union member and thus I am worthy of a higher salary than the union members that they have a contract with?

Yes, I think it's hysterical that you think you can bargain for a wage higher than a union worker in the same occupation as you.


They'd laugh at him and tell him to go away.
 
2012-12-11 05:29:28 PM  
The minute you let the Republicans claim the words "right to work" from the labor movement, you lost that war.
 
2012-12-11 05:29:50 PM  
I'll just leave this here.

yafh.com
 
2012-12-11 05:30:42 PM  

Leeds: jst3p: Leeds: qorkfiend: Leeds: udhq: Leeds: udhq: You also neglect the plain fact that if the service they [Unions] provided was not valuable, they wouldn't exist. Simple as that.

You do realize that hosts and parasites are not one and the same, right?

Your comment is akin to saying: "If the Aids Virus was detrimental to human health, it wouldn't exist."

Go ahead, prove me wrong by citing a single instance where a union entered a workforce and wages/bennies/conditions decreased.

Once again, I'll wait. But I won't hold my breath.

Do you accept that when they force the plant to close down, wages decrease to $0.00/hour?

If you can't grasp that, please keep holding your breath.

Can you provide any examples of a union being solely responsible for a plant closing down?

The year: 1998
The Company: Caterpillar
The City: York PA
The Union: United Auto Workers

The pattern is familiar: Even after an 18-month strike by 8,000 workers that ended three months ago, Caterpillar reported record profits last year -- $1.14 billion -- then boosted the base pay of CEO Donald V. Fites by 20 percent, to $1 million -- plus about $1.5 million in bonuses and other compensation.

Totally unions fault, can't be greed.

That's a great article you linked. I appreciate you digging it up.

From your article:

And in the process, 1,100 workers who earn an average of about $17 an hour will become economic fatalities in a war of wills between management and union, a five-year dispute bogged down in accusations, fear and fury.

But the company insists that the plant would have stayed open, at least through September 2001[ the article was from 1996], if only the union had accepted its offer, including wages averaging $16.89 per hour and full health care coverage.

So they wanted bigger raises that the plant could support and instead of keeping their $16.89 per hour jobs, they forced Caterpillar to shutter the plant and open a new one where the workers weren't greedy communists.

I think this is an excellent example of unions killing a factory.


Why is it "greedy communism" when workers pursue their own economic self-interests, but just capitalism as usual when management does?
 
2012-12-11 05:30:47 PM  

Leeds: LordJiro: Right-to-workers are lazy parasites who want the benefits the union negotiates, without the responsibilities.

No, we want to be able to work our jobs without having to pay the mafia for the privilege of going to work every day.

You union scum really make me sick.


Your talking points are half a century old. Time to get new ones.
 
2012-12-11 05:33:15 PM  

slayer199: So much for peaceful protesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_F3oev06i0&feature=player_embedded

I predict this will be looked upon favorably by fark libs and assailed by fark conservatives.


that's some high quality union thuggery right there
 
2012-12-11 05:33:58 PM  

udhq: Leeds: jst3p: Leeds: qorkfiend: Leeds: udhq: Leeds: udhq: You also neglect the plain fact that if the service they [Unions] provided was not valuable, they wouldn't exist. Simple as that.

You do realize that hosts and parasites are not one and the same, right?

Your comment is akin to saying: "If the Aids Virus was detrimental to human health, it wouldn't exist."

Go ahead, prove me wrong by citing a single instance where a union entered a workforce and wages/bennies/conditions decreased.

Once again, I'll wait. But I won't hold my breath.

Do you accept that when they force the plant to close down, wages decrease to $0.00/hour?

If you can't grasp that, please keep holding your breath.

Can you provide any examples of a union being solely responsible for a plant closing down?

The year: 1998
The Company: Caterpillar
The City: York PA
The Union: United Auto Workers

The pattern is familiar: Even after an 18-month strike by 8,000 workers that ended three months ago, Caterpillar reported record profits last year -- $1.14 billion -- then boosted the base pay of CEO Donald V. Fites by 20 percent, to $1 million -- plus about $1.5 million in bonuses and other compensation.

Totally unions fault, can't be greed.

That's a great article you linked. I appreciate you digging it up.

From your article:

And in the process, 1,100 workers who earn an average of about $17 an hour will become economic fatalities in a war of wills between management and union, a five-year dispute bogged down in accusations, fear and fury.

But the company insists that the plant would have stayed open, at least through September 2001[ the article was from 1996], if only the union had accepted its offer, including wages averaging $16.89 per hour and full health care coverage.

So they wanted bigger raises that the plant could support and instead of keeping their $16.89 per hour jobs, they forced Caterpillar to shutter the plant and open a new one where the workers weren't greedy communists.

I think this is an excellent example of unions killing a factory.

Why is it "greedy communism" when workers pursue their own economic self-interests, but just capitalism as usual when management does?


A real American capitalist would have moved the plant to China.
 
2012-12-11 05:42:09 PM  
The cry I hear from Rightwingistan residents concerning unions and RTW is "why should I be forced to join a union, aka a DEMONCRAT special interest group just to get a job???? T'aint fair!"

Let me answer that question with a question...

"What is so farking special about you that you should get special dispensation over a legally binding agreement between a labor union and a company that has been in place long before your pasty ass came knocking on the door?"

Talk about a sense of "entitlement!"
 
2012-12-11 05:42:59 PM  

Leeds: udhq: Leeds: I think this is an excellent example of unions killing a factory.

Why is it "greedy communism" when workers pursue their own economic self-interests, but just capitalism as usual when management does?

It's "greedy communism" if you can prove that they were asking for more benefits than the market can bear.

And if you wonder what the amount is that the "market can bear" it's just shy of what would cause the plant to close.

If they ask for more than that and the plant closes (like the Caterpillar discussion upthread) then you can say with certainty that the unions were being greedy.


Or you are gullible and believe everything the company PR department tells you.
 
2012-12-11 05:44:59 PM  

Fart_Machine: Leeds: udhq: Leeds: I think this is an excellent example of unions killing a factory.

Why is it "greedy communism" when workers pursue their own economic self-interests, but just capitalism as usual when management does?

It's "greedy communism" if you can prove that they were asking for more benefits than the market can bear.

And if you wonder what the amount is that the "market can bear" it's just shy of what would cause the plant to close.

If they ask for more than that and the plant closes (like the Caterpillar discussion upthread) then you can say with certainty that the unions were being greedy.

Or you are gullible and believe everything the company PR department tells you.


DINGDINGDINGDINGDING....
 
2012-12-11 05:45:09 PM  

sonnyboy11: udhq: beta_plus: IT PASSED!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! ! !

SWEET DELICIOUS TEARS OF IMPOTENT LIBERAL RAGE!!!!!! THEY FEED ME!

Once again, this is why the GOP may never win another national election; you're willing to gut the middle class simply out of partisan spite. You'll cut the baby in half if it means sticking to the black guy.

What an ugly, disgusting little person you are.

He's just clutching for something... anything after the major thumping his party and their platform took earlier in November. To Republicans, it's all just a football game. Winning is everything, even if it means destroying the country.


You lost. Get over it.

Sweet, delicious liberal tears. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA! !!!!
 
2012-12-11 05:46:12 PM  

slayer199: Klippoklondike: No. People are pissed not just at what the law is but the underhanded way in which it is being passed.

Doesn't matter, the GOP has the power in the state and they're going to take advantage of it.


Same thing in Wisconsin. We may have went blue for Obama but the GOP has the House and the Senate (state offices, obviously). They are trying to pass all the crap they can while they can.
 
2012-12-11 05:46:24 PM  

trotsky: udhq: beta_plus: IT PASSED!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! ! !

SWEET DELICIOUS TEARS OF IMPOTENT LIBERAL RAGE!!!!!! THEY FEED ME!

Once again, this is why the GOP may never win another national election; you're willing to gut the middle class simply out of partisan spite. You'll cut the baby in half if it means sticking to the black guy.

What an ugly, disgusting little person you are.

I love how he, once more, treats it like his team is winning. This is why most "conservatives" are ridiculed outside their own little bubble. They come across as know-nothing little play ground bullies who run to nanny government the minute their bootstraps break.

Small Government Conservationism, what's that?


/Goldwater rolls in his grave.


You lost. Get over it. It's time to move on.
 
2012-12-11 05:48:43 PM  

Il Douchey: Michigan isn't prohibiting unions, it's just allowing workers to decide if they want to belong to them. Of course unions want the power to compel membership, it's so much easier than having to persuade people that voluntarily joining is in their best interest.

/Don't just demand union allegiance, earn it. -Good luck with that


not quite, but good spin
 
2012-12-11 05:49:29 PM  

beta_plus: sonnyboy11: udhq: beta_plus: IT PASSED!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! ! !

SWEET DELICIOUS TEARS OF IMPOTENT LIBERAL RAGE!!!!!! THEY FEED ME!

Once again, this is why the GOP may never win another national election; you're willing to gut the middle class simply out of partisan spite. You'll cut the baby in half if it means sticking to the black guy.

What an ugly, disgusting little person you are.

He's just clutching for something... anything after the major thumping his party and their platform took earlier in November. To Republicans, it's all just a football game. Winning is everything, even if it means destroying the country.

You lost. Get over it.

Sweet, delicious liberal tears. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA! !!!!


It doesn't matter to you that these laws plunge millions of middle class people into poverty, the only thing that matters is that your team won the spitting contest today.

Why do you even live in a country you openly hate so badly?
 
2012-12-11 05:49:58 PM  

beta_plus: trotsky: udhq: beta_plus: IT PASSED!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! ! !

SWEET DELICIOUS TEARS OF IMPOTENT LIBERAL RAGE!!!!!! THEY FEED ME!

Once again, this is why the GOP may never win another national election; you're willing to gut the middle class simply out of partisan spite. You'll cut the baby in half if it means sticking to the black guy.

What an ugly, disgusting little person you are.

I love how he, once more, treats it like his team is winning. This is why most "conservatives" are ridiculed outside their own little bubble. They come across as know-nothing little play ground bullies who run to nanny government the minute their bootstraps break.

Small Government Conservationism, what's that?


/Goldwater rolls in his grave.

You lost. Get over it. It's time to move on.


You're right. Tit for tat. Enjoy your Obamacare bill!
 
2012-12-11 05:50:16 PM  
It's done. Snyder signed the legislation.
 
2012-12-11 05:51:04 PM  

slayer199: It's done. Snyder signed the legislation.


Now the lawyers get involved.
 
2012-12-11 05:51:22 PM  
beta_plus: You lost. Get over it. It's time to move on.

We will move on once the GOP corpse stops twitching.

What you fools just did in Michigan is make a good percentage of the folks who voted for you sorry that they did. Good luck with that next cycle. The Party of Pure Evil needs to be put down. One man at a time if necessary.
 
2012-12-11 05:52:24 PM  

qorkfiend: slayer199: It's done. Snyder signed the legislation.

Now the lawyers get involved.


It's very sad to watch people actively work against their own self-interest.
 
2012-12-11 05:53:25 PM  

Leeds: pornopose: Anybody who thinks that you can "negotiate" with your employer without having a union to back you is a farking moron. You'll have a bullseye on your back so fast it'll make your head spin.

So you have no idea how 88.6% of public sector workers function.

Want to brag about being ignorant on any other topics while you're at it?


I've had plenty of jobs in the public sector there buddy. None of them union. I have yet to run across a company that actually cares about their workers other than very very small operations with personal relationships between management and the workers (ie family owned and operated). If you don't have a union to back you up when you start bringing workplace conditions and benefits up to management, your days will be numbered. OSHA didn't just appear out of nowhere y'know. If you're not in a union you take what they give you. If you don't like it, you find another job. If the job market is weak, you're farked.

Labor is a supply that businesses demand. The working class in this country realized this basic fact and unionized. Supply and demand, it's that simple. It only works when all the workers unite though. You should read the grapes of wrath sometime, not factual but a good window into the pre-union United States.
 
2012-12-11 05:56:29 PM  

beta_plus: trotsky: udhq: beta_plus: IT PASSED!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! ! !

SWEET DELICIOUS TEARS OF IMPOTENT LIBERAL RAGE!!!!!! THEY FEED ME!

Once again, this is why the GOP may never win another national election; you're willing to gut the middle class simply out of partisan spite. You'll cut the baby in half if it means sticking to the black guy.

What an ugly, disgusting little person you are.

I love how he, once more, treats it like his team is winning. This is why most "conservatives" are ridiculed outside their own little bubble. They come across as know-nothing little play ground bullies who run to nanny government the minute their bootstraps break.

Small Government Conservationism, what's that?


/Goldwater rolls in his grave.

You lost. Get over it. It's time to move on.


You don't understand. To you, this is a game, but to millions of union workers, this a matter of whether they can afford to send their children to college.

The middle class is not ever going to "move on" and resign itself to a life of working poverty. This is like Vietnam; its picking a fight with an enemy who literally cannot afford to lose.
 
2012-12-11 05:57:23 PM  

mcreadyblue: Leeds: Bloody William: Why is this called "right-to-work?" It sounds like the sickest twisting of words considering what it does.

No, that's the literal interpretation.

Way back when, if you sought a job and the company offered it to you and you accepted it, you had that job. Then a few decades ago unions granted themselves the ability to keep you from your job if you refused to pay them money (to join their ranks). You literally could be offered a job, accept that job, then be barred from working at your job because some union somewhere needed you to pay them for the privilege of working at a job you already have.

Right to work legislation makes it illegal for an outside group to block you from working if you and your employer have come to an employment agreement.

Police unions still think that is a good policy.


Taft-Hartley. What you just said the unions are doing has been illegal since 1947 and the unions have not been doing it. Right to work means you get the benefits of the union contract and don't have to pay the dues. You know, like what RW's think 47% of Americans are like.
 
2012-12-11 06:01:27 PM  

partisan222: mcreadyblue: Leeds: Bloody William: Why is this called "right-to-work?" It sounds like the sickest twisting of words considering what it does.

No, that's the literal interpretation.

Way back when, if you sought a job and the company offered it to you and you accepted it, you had that job. Then a few decades ago unions granted themselves the ability to keep you from your job if you refused to pay them money (to join their ranks). You literally could be offered a job, accept that job, then be barred from working at your job because some union somewhere needed you to pay them for the privilege of working at a job you already have.

Right to work legislation makes it illegal for an outside group to block you from working if you and your employer have come to an employment agreement.

Police unions still think that is a good policy.

Taft-Hartley. What you just said the unions are doing has been illegal since 1947 and the unions have not been doing it. Right to work means you get the benefits of the union contract and don't have to pay the dues. You know, like what RW's think 47% of Americans are like.


not necessarily. There's nothing precluding a union in a RTW state from negotiating union wages, benefits, promotion and raise schedules etc which only apply to its members. Sure there are certain aspects that can't be excluded from non-payers like noise levels on the factory floor and that sort of thing but a goodly bit of things of that nature are OSHA regulated anyway
 
2012-12-11 06:13:09 PM  

jst3p: pornopose: Anybody who thinks that you can "negotiate" with your employer without having a union to back you is a farking moron. You'll have a bullseye on your back so fast it'll make your head spin.

You know how I know you aren't considered "skilled labor" with a skill set that is in demand?


/lunix, solaris storage and vmware admin
//I am well taken care of but if I weren't and I found a better offer they would match it


Most of my jobs were low-skills set factory work. I'm from rural Illinois. The warehouses didn't look very kindly upon union talk. There are lots of people out of work there so nobody wants to shake things up when you have rent to pay.

I also was an x-ray repairman for GE medical. Good pay/benefits/working conditions. No real need for a union. It was made known to us though that when we went on a factory tour during our training we better not be caught anywhere near the union people working there. Even though I didn't feel we needed to be part of a union for my particular job, it was very apparent that my job would dissapear real quick if I started bringing that subject up. The tech world I'm a part of now seems to be different animal where unions aren't necessarily needed because of the high skill/high demand.

Not everyone gets to reach that level of expertise. Maybe if there were 30 guys waiting for work that could do your job well enough to satisfy management for less than you're used to/need to make then you might sympathize with the factory worker.
 
2012-12-11 06:14:01 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Democrats: People don't deserve the right to choose!


Show me the person who got forced to join a union... oh, that's right... you can't. "Right to Work" has nothing to do with a "right to work" and everything to do with increasing your employers ability to fire you, everything to do with forcing unions to let you share in their benefits without being able to charge you for their costs.... it has absolutely nothing to do with a workers ability to choose which employer to work for and everything to do with union-busting in states where the GOP encourages freeloaders to mooch off of hard working union members. I live in one of the few states smart enough not to pass "right to work" BS, and no, there's no farking crazy ass rules saying you must join a union, and employers aren't forced to hire union members unless they sign up for that.
 
2012-12-11 06:19:30 PM  

udhq: beta_plus: trotsky: udhq: beta_plus: IT PASSED!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! ! !

SWEET DELICIOUS TEARS OF IMPOTENT LIBERAL RAGE!!!!!! THEY FEED ME!

Once again, this is why the GOP may never win another national election; you're willing to gut the middle class simply out of partisan spite. You'll cut the baby in half if it means sticking to the black guy.

What an ugly, disgusting little person you are.

I love how he, once more, treats it like his team is winning. This is why most "conservatives" are ridiculed outside their own little bubble. They come across as know-nothing little play ground bullies who run to nanny government the minute their bootstraps break.

Small Government Conservationism, what's that?


/Goldwater rolls in his grave.

You lost. Get over it. It's time to move on.

You don't understand. To you, this is a game, but to millions of union workers, this a matter of whether they can afford to send their children to college.

The middle class is not ever going to "move on" and resign itself to a life of working poverty. This is like Vietnam; its picking a fight with an enemy who literally cannot afford to lose.


My, my, what violent rhetoric you have. It's too bad that liberals are now the party of hate and violence with no respect for Democracy.

Your concerned poutrage is noted.
 
2012-12-11 06:22:25 PM  

jst3p: slayer199: So much for peaceful protesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_F3oev06i0&feature=player_embedded

I predict this will be looked upon favorably by fark libs and assailed by fark conservatives.

Wow, that was uncalled for.


Wow, that guy was trying to force a confrontation to try to make a GOTCHA video huh?
 
2012-12-11 06:23:06 PM  

Cythraul: Can someone post a graph that shows the economic prosperity state-by-state in regards as to which states have what in the ways of labor laws?

I'm willing to bet the right-to-work states are the poorest.


There was another article floating around on CNN's website:

The average full-time, full-year worker in a right-to-work state makes about $1,500 less annually, according to the Economic Policy Institute, a left-leaning organization. The rate of workers covered by employer-sponsored health insurance is 2.6 percentage points lower, while pension coverage is 4.8 percentage points lower.

Right-to-work states have done better in terms of growing jobs, according to State Budget Solutions, an advocacy group that supported the measure. Right-to-work states saw employment expand by 8.2% between 2001 and 2010, while those without the law experienced a 0.5% decrease, according to the group's analysis of Bureau of Labor Statistics figures.
 
2012-12-11 06:24:47 PM  

beta_plus: udhq: beta_plus: trotsky: udhq: beta_plus: IT PASSED!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! ! !

SWEET DELICIOUS TEARS OF IMPOTENT LIBERAL RAGE!!!!!! THEY FEED ME!

Once again, this is why the GOP may never win another national election; you're willing to gut the middle class simply out of partisan spite. You'll cut the baby in half if it means sticking to the black guy.

What an ugly, disgusting little person you are.

I love how he, once more, treats it like his team is winning. This is why most "conservatives" are ridiculed outside their own little bubble. They come across as know-nothing little play ground bullies who run to nanny government the minute their bootstraps break.

Small Government Conservationism, what's that?


/Goldwater rolls in his grave.

You lost. Get over it. It's time to move on.

You don't understand. To you, this is a game, but to millions of union workers, this a matter of whether they can afford to send their children to college.

The middle class is not ever going to "move on" and resign itself to a life of working poverty. This is like Vietnam; its picking a fight with an enemy who literally cannot afford to lose.

My, my, what violent rhetoric you have. It's too bad that liberals are now the party of hate and violence with no respect for Democracy.

Your concerned poutrage is noted.


What happened in Michigan with this has nothing to do with Democracy, so your point is invalid.

You are free to keep stroking yourself thinking you scored some big victory here when the reality is you're pretending table scraps are Filet Mignon. Obama is going to take the oath again on January 20th. A piddly RTW bill that will end up in court and sit idle for a good long while and most likely be overturned is pretty small potatoes in the bigger scheme of things.
 
2012-12-11 06:29:00 PM  

KellyX: jst3p: slayer199: So much for peaceful protesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_F3oev06i0&feature=player_embedded

I predict this will be looked upon favorably by fark libs and assailed by fark conservatives.

Wow, that was uncalled for.

Wow, that guy was trying to force a confrontation to try to make a GOTCHA video huh?


If you check his other submissions that's his shtick.
 
2012-12-11 06:31:22 PM  
So, if you look at the information I quoted earlier from the CNN article - how is this bad for Michigan? It's an honest question. They've been losing workers to Chicago-area employers for a long time now, hell, a LOT of the people I meet are Michigan transplants. It would -seem- that the statistics support RTW bringing back jobs to the state.
 
2012-12-11 06:32:07 PM  

Fart_Machine: KellyX: jst3p: slayer199: So much for peaceful protesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_F3oev06i0&feature=player_embedded

I predict this will be looked upon favorably by fark libs and assailed by fark conservatives.

Wow, that was uncalled for.

Wow, that guy was trying to force a confrontation to try to make a GOTCHA video huh?

If you check his other submissions that's his shtick.


I didn't, but I assumed he was just one of them real life conservative trolls.

As someone in Right To Work state, I assure you, the goal isn't to prevent people from joining unions, its to prevent unions and put 100% of control into Management.

In the State of Florida, we can fire you for no reason given, we don't need to give you notice (but you sure as shiat better give your boss 2 weeks notice or expect to be on a blacklist!!)
 
2012-12-11 06:32:58 PM  

KellyX: jst3p: slayer199: So much for peaceful protesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_F3oev06i0&feature=player_embedded

I predict this will be looked upon favorably by fark libs and assailed by fark conservatives.

Wow, that was uncalled for.

Wow, that guy was trying to force a confrontation to try to make a GOTCHA video huh?


Successfully it would seem
 
2012-12-11 06:35:09 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: So, if you look at the information I quoted earlier from the CNN article - how is this bad for Michigan? It's an honest question. They've been losing workers to Chicago-area employers for a long time now, hell, a LOT of the people I meet are Michigan transplants. It would -seem- that the statistics support RTW bringing back jobs to the state.


I dunno, what's Michigan well known for, what took a heavy hit 4 years ago and been restructuring since practically? I can't imagine why so many people from Michigan might be looking for jobs in big cities...

Another problem I'm seeing, like in my industry, is a lot of the companies are hiring, but they're trying to find employees with experience doing the job, unfortunately after 4+ years of laying people off, those experienced people moved on, the new people out of college with the education for it aren't desired still cause they don't have the hands on experience yet...
 
2012-12-11 06:36:30 PM  

zappaisfrank: beta_plus: udhq: beta_plus: trotsky: udhq: beta_plus: IT PASSED!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! ! !

SWEET DELICIOUS TEARS OF IMPOTENT LIBERAL RAGE!!!!!! THEY FEED ME!

Once again, this is why the GOP may never win another national election; you're willing to gut the middle class simply out of partisan spite. You'll cut the baby in half if it means sticking to the black guy.

What an ugly, disgusting little person you are.

I love how he, once more, treats it like his team is winning. This is why most "conservatives" are ridiculed outside their own little bubble. They come across as know-nothing little play ground bullies who run to nanny government the minute their bootstraps break.

Small Government Conservationism, what's that?


/Goldwater rolls in his grave.

You lost. Get over it. It's time to move on.

You don't understand. To you, this is a game, but to millions of union workers, this a matter of whether they can afford to send their children to college.

The middle class is not ever going to "move on" and resign itself to a life of working poverty. This is like Vietnam; its picking a fight with an enemy who literally cannot afford to lose.

My, my, what violent rhetoric you have. It's too bad that liberals are now the party of hate and violence with no respect for Democracy.

Your concerned poutrage is noted.

What happened in Michigan with this has nothing to do with Democracy, so your point is invalid.

You are free to keep stroking yourself thinking you scored some big victory here when the reality is you're pretending table scraps are Filet Mignon. Obama is going to take the oath again on January 20th. A piddly RTW bill that will end up in court and sit idle for a good long while and most likely be overturned is pretty small potatoes in the bigger scheme of things.


"this has nothing to do with Democracy" Really? The State Legislature of Michigan is a dictatorship?

/HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA! Apparently you don't understand the concept of Federalism. The 0bamassiah can't save you this time.
 
2012-12-11 06:38:39 PM  

KellyX: jst3p: slayer199: So much for peaceful protesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_F3oev06i0&feature=player_embedded

I predict this will be looked upon favorably by fark libs and assailed by fark conservatives.

Wow, that was uncalled for.

Wow, that guy was trying to force a confrontation to try to make a GOTCHA video huh?


Yeah, and tubby fell for it.
 
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