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2012-12-11 08:38:52 AM
"Today's opinion dismantles the structure of constitutional law that has permitted a distinction to be made between heterosexual and homosexual unions, insofar as formal recognition in marriage is concerned," Scalia wrote.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Pro Justice Tip to Scaley: It aint.
 
2012-12-11 09:07:58 AM
I care little what Scalia has to say about this, as his vote is almost assuredly going to be against gay rights on this issue.
 
2012-12-11 09:09:38 AM
The Reagan-appointed justice accused the majority on the Court of having "taken sides in the culture war" and having signed on to the "homosexual agenda."

And this is a Supreme Court Justice - pathetic.  He sounds no different from any other social conservative talking head.
 
2012-12-11 09:17:20 AM
So what you're saying is he has gaydar.
 
2012-12-11 09:22:47 AM
I see you left out the word marriage there.

Which gives us the question. "Why was Scalia watching gays come in 2003?"

I applaud thee, subby.
 
2012-12-11 09:27:19 AM
Scalia is a weasely hateful little troll who will waste no opportunity to demean individuals in his rulings. Watch. I bet he writes one of the epic derpfests of history in his opinion. Just hoping its in his dissenting opinnion.
 
2012-12-11 09:49:04 AM
Will the Supreme Court rule in favor of marriage equality when it takes up the Defense of Marriage Act next spring? One justice warned nearly a decade ago that the Court had already paved the way to do just that: Antonin Scalia.

Warned? Warning means danger. I stopped reading right there.
 
2012-12-11 09:50:02 AM

jaylectricity: Will the Supreme Court rule in favor of marriage equality when it takes up the Defense of Marriage Act next spring? One justice warned nearly a decade ago that the Court had already paved the way to do just that: Antonin Scalia.

Warned? Warning means danger. I stopped reading right there.


Homo-gheys getting married is a very dangerous thing, apparently.
 
2012-12-11 09:55:02 AM
Justice Anthony Kennedy's majority opinion said the Court's ruling against anti-sodomy laws "does not involve whether the government must give formal recognition to any relationship that homosexual persons seek to enter."

Scalia's retort: "Do not believe it."


well that doesn't make Scalia look like a very nice person.
 
2012-12-11 10:11:31 AM
Anyone using the term 'gay marriage' is just asking for a separate but equal institution and furthermore

/lol
 
2012-12-11 10:12:44 AM
I've had this conversation with friends several times. If you want to truly see what a dried up, hateful little man Justice Scalia is you only have to read his dissent in Romer v. Evans.

/Bigotry is totally a compelling government interest
//But don't you dare call him a bigot!
 
2012-12-11 10:12:58 AM
1990s Europe laughs at us.
 
2012-12-11 10:14:02 AM
And I'm sure the Lawrence decision is just as bad.
 
2012-12-11 10:14:13 AM

sprawl15: Anyone using the term 'gay marriage' is just asking for a separate but equal institution and furthermore

/lol


Think of the innocent turtles!
 
2012-12-11 10:14:21 AM
Sometimes I disagree with people but I respect their position, knowledge, and ability. This is not one of those times. Antonin Scalia is an embarassment to the bench and should be removed in disgrace. He smears the reputation of the court with his blatant politicized rhetoric. Its sad, really.
 
2012-12-11 10:14:35 AM
Scalia wrote. "The Court today pretends that it possesses a similar freedom of action, so that that we need not fear judicial imposition of homosexual marriage."

So basically your dissenting opinion in 2003 had noting to do with your stated views on individual liberty, but rather on laws that didn't even exist yet.

Wow. Talk about activist judges...
 
2012-12-11 10:14:42 AM
So I guess he clicked on one of rugbyjock's pics back in 2003 like me.
 
2012-12-11 10:14:57 AM
He said this just a couple days ago:

"If we cannot have moral feelings against homosexuality, can we have it against murder? Can we have it against other things?"

Has he never heard of adult consent? He has the logical mind of a child.

Another keeper:

As Scalia often does in public speaking, he cracked wise, taking aim mostly at those who view the Constitution as a "living document" that changes with the times.

"It isn't a living document," Scalia said. "It's dead, dead, dead, dead."


I doubt he's Reagan's worst legacy, but he's in the running.
 
2012-12-11 10:16:15 AM

Lumpmoose: He said this just a couple days ago:

"If we cannot have moral feelings against homosexuality, can we have it against murder? Can we have it against other things?"

Has he never heard of adult consent? He has the logical mind of a child.

Another keeper:

As Scalia often does in public speaking, he cracked wise, taking aim mostly at those who view the Constitution as a "living document" that changes with the times.

"It isn't a living document," Scalia said. "It's dead, dead, dead, dead."

I doubt he's Reagan's worst legacy, but he's in the running.


Are you farking serious? He compared homosexuality with murder?
 
2012-12-11 10:17:34 AM

Lumpmoose: He said this just a couple days ago:

"If we cannot have moral feelings against homosexuality, can we have it against murder? Can we have it against other things?"

Has he never heard of adult consent? He has the logical mind of a child.


No, I think it's the usual right-wing cognitive dissonance. "My opinions are facts and anything that disagrees with them is wrong! Even when it's other opinions of mine!"
 
2012-12-11 10:17:55 AM
Hmmm...this comment is relevant in two threads this morning...

Scalia is one of the worst people in the world. Let's just hope there are enough sane people among the other justices that reason and compassion will prevail.
 
2012-12-11 10:19:22 AM

Lumpmoose: "If we cannot have moral feelings against homosexuality, can we have it against murder? Can we have it against other things?"

Has he never heard of adult consent?


I hope he's talking about assisted suicide.

I mean, he'd still be wrong, but at least it'd be an opinion not worth a castration.
 
2012-12-11 10:19:55 AM

Lumpmoose: "If we cannot have moral feelings against homosexuality, can we have it against murder? Can we have it against other things?"


I like how he equates moral feelings with law. I have moral feelings against eating a hamburger, but I don't try to get laws passed prohibiting it. We can just add gay marriage to the long list of things that if you feel morally opposed to it, you just don't do it: drinking, smoking, owning a gun, gambling, joining the military, and voting Republican.
 
2012-12-11 10:20:18 AM
FTA: "This reasoning leaves on pretty shaky grounds state laws limiting marriage to opposite-sex couples."

This sentence, for both its poor grammar and meaning, tells me all I shall ever need to know about this chancre of a human being.
 
2012-12-11 10:21:31 AM

CPennypacker: Sometimes I disagree with people but I respect their position, knowledge, and ability. This is not one of those times. Antonin Scalia is an embarassment to the bench and should be removed in disgrace. He smears the reputation of the court with his blatant politicized rhetoric. Its sad, really.


I often wonder why he does it. Scalia isn't stupid, he has to understand his job. is it some sort of personality flaw or mental illness at work? or is he just so arrogant that he doesn't understand the impact he has on the country...or maybe he DOES understand the impact of his actions and he sees that as a good thing...?
 
2012-12-11 10:22:24 AM
It still scares the hell out of me that there's people that not only think sodomy (not just between gays but also oral and anal sex between a man and a woman) should be outlawed, but the government should have the *power* to outlaw it and enforce that ban.

And yet the same people will also scream about an overly intrusive government.
 
2012-12-11 10:22:51 AM
If DOMA and Prop 8 get struck down, I have a good feeling Scalia will retire because the Homosexual Agenda has succeeded in brainwashing the Supreme Court.

And Obama will probably pick a moderate/libertarian justice to please conservatives.
 
2012-12-11 10:22:53 AM
"Today's opinion dismantles the structure of constitutional law that has permitted a distinction to be made between heterosexual and homosexual unions, insofar as formal recognition in marriage is concerned," Scalia wrote.

So... Scalia is now in the position of remaining true to what he says constitutional law is and upholding gay marriage, or admitting he's a hypocritical liar who cares nothing about the constitution and voting against?

Why is it that I have no doubt about which way he'll vote?
 
2012-12-11 10:24:01 AM

Weaver95: I often wonder why he does it. Scalia isn't stupid, he has to understand his job. is it some sort of personality flaw or mental illness at work? or is he just so arrogant that he doesn't understand the impact he has on the country...or maybe he DOES understand the impact of his actions and he sees that as a good thing...?


It's a cynicism that comes from subjectively enjoying objectification of things. He loves looking at things from weird angles to the point that honestly takes contrary positions and uses people's disagreement as justification alone for his actions.

He's, basically, a legal hipster.
 
2012-12-11 10:24:29 AM

Lumpmoose: "If we cannot have moral feelings against homosexuality, can we have it against murder? Can we have it against other things?"

Has he never heard of adult consent? He has the logical mind of a child.


The guy obviously has dementia already.
 
2012-12-11 10:25:34 AM

Khanmots: Why is it that I have no doubt about which way he'll vote?


Maybe because he inappropriately discusses issues likely to come before the court in public forums?
 
2012-12-11 10:26:14 AM
"Let me see, here. That's a great question," Brown said. "I think Justice Scalia is a very good judge." 

Link
 
2012-12-11 10:26:29 AM
His mind is going. the last ten+ years have seen him go from a bedrock of conservative juridical practice to an outright nutball. You can watch it progress in his opinions. It's fascinating, it's literally watching the process of a man losing his mind to old age and act increasingly unhinged. He's taken Originalism straight off the rails into outright farce and he's out in public far, far, far more often than he should be, because he is literally losing his marbles.
 
2012-12-11 10:26:50 AM
Scalia's got 9 children. Pretty good odds that one of them is gay.
 
2012-12-11 10:27:48 AM

Weaver95: CPennypacker: Sometimes I disagree with people but I respect their position, knowledge, and ability. This is not one of those times. Antonin Scalia is an embarassment to the bench and should be removed in disgrace. He smears the reputation of the court with his blatant politicized rhetoric. Its sad, really.

I often wonder why he does it. Scalia isn't stupid, he has to understand his job. is it some sort of personality flaw or mental illness at work? or is he just so arrogant that he doesn't understand the impact he has on the country...or maybe he DOES understand the impact of his actions and he sees that as a good thing...?


I think it's that he understands the impact he has on a subset of the country... the subset that agrees with him. He doesn't care about the impact he has on the rest of us immoral heathens other than maybe we'll feel punished as we deserve.
 
2012-12-11 10:27:48 AM

Weaver95: I often wonder why he does it. Scalia isn't stupid, he has to understand his job. is it some sort of personality flaw or mental illness at work? or is he just so arrogant that he doesn't understand the impact he has on the country...or maybe he DOES understand the impact of his actions and he sees that as a good thing...?


Largely, I'd have to put it down to greed. Toss some derp out now and then and then rake in speaking engagements and book sales.
 
2012-12-11 10:27:59 AM

Lumpmoose: He said this just a couple days ago:

"If we cannot have moral feelings against homosexuality, can we have it against murder? Can we have it against other things?"

Has he never heard of adult consent? He has the logical mind of a child.


Scalia sounds like one of those folks who believe that without religion (specifically some flavor of christianity) then humans will run around raping, looting and murdering everyone around them. I could be wrong, of course...and that would be a disservice to the man if I were...but his views sound, well...immature and rather authoritarian.
 
2012-12-11 10:29:03 AM

Cythraul: I care little what Scalia has to say about this, as his vote is almost assuredly going to be against gay rights on this issue.


An Originalist would point out that if the Founding Fathers wanted to ban same sex marriage then they would have done so in the Constitution.
 
2012-12-11 10:30:52 AM
Homoghey Corporations can still merge right? And the tax benefits are much better. Scalia was just talking about human persons, not corporations.

Imagine a Corporate Gay Bar where everyone is a board member or director or principal of every person there. That's the Scalia dream. Talk about your interlocking directorates. 

www.pacestar.com
 
2012-12-11 10:30:57 AM
The Reagan-appointed justice accused the majority on the Court of having "taken sides in the culture war" and having signed on to the "homosexual agenda."

Please do recall this is coming from a Supreme Court justice who thought it was appropriate for the United States to continue to criminalize sex acts between consenting adults (gay and straight alike.)

"The people may feel that their disapprobation of homosexual conduct is strong enough to disallow homosexual marriage, but not strong enough to criminalize private homosexual acts - and may legislate accordingly. The Court today pretends that it possesses a similar freedom of action, so that that we need not fear judicial imposition of homosexual marriage."

The "culture war" in question is over whether or not there should be disapprobation of homosexual conduct at all. If you stop hating gay people for no good reason, yes, it stands to reason that they should not be criminalized or socially discriminated against.
 
2012-12-11 10:30:58 AM
Go ahead SCOTUS, further tarnish the once infallible reputation of our highest court by ruling in favor of your personal bigoted beliefs.
 
2012-12-11 10:32:05 AM

Cythraul: Are you farking serious? He compared homosexuality with murder?


As in, "That gay sex I had in the airport restroom last week was KILLER, man!"

I'm calling Scalia as the next gay anti-gay Republican embarassment.
 
2012-12-11 10:34:17 AM

Weaver95: I often wonder why he does it. Scalia isn't stupid, he has to understand his job. is it some sort of personality flaw or mental illness at work?


I think he is pissed he was bypassed by Roberts for the Chief Justice spot. I understand Roberts wasn't happy about the content of some of Scalia's opinions last session.
 
2012-12-11 10:35:12 AM
Well, we all know who is writing the dissenting opinion.
 
2012-12-11 10:35:46 AM

Khanmots: "Today's opinion dismantles the structure of constitutional law that has permitted a distinction to be made between heterosexual and homosexual unions, insofar as formal recognition in marriage is concerned," Scalia wrote.

So... Scalia is now in the position of remaining true to what he says constitutional law is and upholding gay marriage, or admitting he's a hypocritical liar who cares nothing about the constitution and voting against?

Why is it that I have no doubt about which way he'll vote?


Scalia isn't devoted to stare decisis. So you've created a false binary choice.

Scalia saw this coming because he has an advanced intellect that parses arguments well beyond most.
 
2012-12-11 10:36:50 AM

Muta: Weaver95: I often wonder why he does it. Scalia isn't stupid, he has to understand his job. is it some sort of personality flaw or mental illness at work?

I think he is pissed he was bypassed by Roberts for the Chief Justice spot. I understand Roberts wasn't happy about the content of some of Scalia's opinions last session.


it could be ego. massive ego and pride. I could believe it.
 
2012-12-11 10:37:17 AM
OK let me explain my post in clearer language:

Scalia's entire argument is "But if people aren't going to throw the gays in jail, how can people have a rationale for hating and discriminating against gays? YOU'RE RUINING EVERYTHING"

And, sadly, nobody has told him that the best thing to do in this scenario is shut the fark up.
 
2012-12-11 10:40:38 AM

Mrbogey: Scalia isn't devoted to stare decisis.


Clearly. It ceases to be important when he needs to grandstand politically.
 
2012-12-11 10:41:27 AM

Cythraul: Are you farking serious? He compared homosexuality with murder?


Not only that, but when a student challenged the comparison, Scalia belittled him by saying "I assumed you knew what a reductio ad absurdum is."

Horrible jurist and appalling douche. The very model of a modern Republican.
 
2012-12-11 10:43:06 AM

Wooly Bully: Cythraul: Are you farking serious? He compared homosexuality with murder?

Not only that, but when a student challenged the comparison, Scalia belittled him by saying "I assumed you knew what a reductio ad absurdum is."

Horrible jurist and appalling douche. The very model of a modern Republican.


at some point he must have been good at his job.
 
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