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(Townhall)   Fox News portrays itself as "fair and balanced," and while many of its hosts are conservative, a fair number are liberal, and even on their commentary shows, they almost always have liberal representatives present the left's position on issues   (townhall.com ) divider line
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2012-12-11 08:03:42 AM  
Why, and even some of our friends are black liberal!
 
2012-12-11 08:08:46 AM  
Conservative Media Are Is Not the Problem

Someone should get this man a grammar checker.
 
2012-12-11 08:24:43 AM  
Whar the "liberal representatives?"

Whenever I catch Fox News on at work (which nearly every TV is tuned to all over the building), I only see the Fox News announcers interviewing Republicans, conservatives, or former members of Republican administrations.
 
2012-12-11 08:31:04 AM  
images.wikia.com
 
2012-12-11 08:31:18 AM  

AirForceVet: Whar the "liberal representatives?"

Whenever I catch Fox News on at work (which nearly every TV is tuned to all over the building), I only see the Fox News announcers interviewing Republicans, conservatives, or former members of Republican administrations.


Yeah. But, some of those people "understand" Liberals, and are therefore qualified to tell everyone what Liberals are thinking or planning to do.
 
2012-12-11 08:34:23 AM  
At this point who are they trying to kid?

Themselves?
 
2012-12-11 08:41:22 AM  
How many Democratic Presidential and/or Congressional candidates were employed by Fox News this last election cycle?

How many "grassroots" "liberal" populist movements were actively organized and promoted by Fox News?
 
2012-12-11 09:00:14 AM  

RexTalionis: Conservative Media Are Is Not the Problem

Someone should get this man a grammar checker.


While popular usage has "media" as a singular noun, it is properly speaking the plural of "medium". If the sucky blog is saying that none out of Fox News, Fox Business, the WSJ, the NY Post, the Washington Times, the Rush Limbaugh Show, The Sean Hannity Show, Examiner.com, RedState.com, and their own sucky blog are the problem, then using "media" as a plural is perfectly legitimate.

/unlike, say, the rest of that sentence, or their perpetual claim that there are no conservatives in the media
//when referring to "the media", however, it is generally taken to be singular
 
2012-12-11 09:05:57 AM  
FTA: "Fox News portrays itself as "fair and balanced," and while many of its hosts are conservative, a fair number are liberal, and even on their commentary shows, they almost always have liberal representatives present the left's position on issues they're debating."

From their point of view, somebody has to provide the comic relief.
 
2012-12-11 09:05:57 AM  
Shepard Smith seems like an alright guy.

That's about it.
 
2012-12-11 09:07:04 AM  
The last person in FOX's studio that stood his ground and told FOX the truth got his microphone cut off.

Its a biased outfit full of liars and professional politicians pretending to be a news network.

The fact there's also reporters in the building who sometimes get allowed to talk is irrelevant. The people calling the shots are 100% in the tank for Republicans.
 
2012-12-11 09:09:24 AM  
So...

1. There are NO conservatives to be found anywhere in the so-called "MSM", hence Fox News' raison d'être.

2. There ARE liberal commentators on Fox shows, thus PROVING Fox lives up to its name.

Got it.

/and those commentators/guests never ever get cut off if they stray from the script either, right?
//and I'm guessing all those bold-faced lies that have given both Jon Stewart & Stephen Colbert very lucrative careers are just a way to balance out the MSMs truth bias?
 
2012-12-11 09:10:52 AM  
Fox News viewers have an average IQ of 80, borderline retarded. People who have the ability to think are progressives, those who don't think, watch Fox News.
 
2012-12-11 09:17:58 AM  

swaniefrmreddeer: Fox News viewers have an average IQ of 80, borderline retarded. People who have the ability to think are progressives, those who don't think, watch Fox News.


There are smart conservatives. They're the ones making money off of FOX viewers.
 
2012-12-11 09:18:44 AM  

RexTalionis: Conservative Media Are Is Not the Problem

Someone should get this man a grammar checker.


Dude, you're smarter than that.
 
2012-12-11 09:23:48 AM  
Liberal commentators on a massively conservative propaganda network? So you're telling me that they're just sell-outs, then? And as far as having a 'liberal' guest on the show, do you mean that token guy who looks like an idiot and who gets ridiculed and belittled on a regular basis?
 
2012-12-11 09:25:48 AM  
Meh. It's derpy, but not derpy enough. The article feels rushed as though they knocked it out between sessions of masturbating to old footage of Operation Desert Storm.

Y'all can do better.
 
2012-12-11 09:31:47 AM  
Always. The. Victim.
 
2012-12-11 09:32:22 AM  

Klippoklondike: Shepard Smith seems like an alright guy.

That's about it.


He is. Thing is, he still has to report stories in the order that Ailes and Co. direct him (i.e., whatever makes a Democrat look bad leads, and the GOP's own f*ck-ups are mentioned later if at all.)

I'm still waiting on Shep to come out gay on the air.
 
2012-12-11 09:34:25 AM  
Oh, sure, they do bring liberals onto their programs, but it's only to shout at them about how they're wrong and then cut their mic before they have a chance to respond.
 
2012-12-11 09:50:54 AM  

www.interestingtopics.net
We attempted to reach one of Fox News' liberal voices but were told she
was unavailable for an indefinite amount of time.

 
2012-12-11 09:54:36 AM  

make me some tea: Oh, sure, they do bring liberals onto their programs, but it's only to shout at them about how they're wrong and then cut their mic before they have a chance to respond.


That's what is so frustrating about this type. Let's face it - they're bullies. Statements not jibing with your narrative? Shout them down! Rush patented this.

I could live with Fox pushing their propaganda if they only allowed some sort of contrary air in that vacuum. But they don't. Therefore, I call bullsh*t.
 
2012-12-11 09:56:54 AM  
This means Sarah Palin is automatically the president and Michelle Obama has to appear in Hustler.
 
2012-12-11 09:59:43 AM  

jaylectricity: This means Sarah Palin is automatically the president and Michelle Obama has to appear in Hustler.


The toppings contain potassium benzoate.
 
2012-12-11 10:02:02 AM  
Is this the math that FOX talking heads use to make themselves feel better?
 
2012-12-11 10:04:04 AM  

jaylectricity: This means Sarah Palin is automatically the president and Michelle Obama has to appear in Hustler.


Go on....
 
2012-12-11 10:15:27 AM  
And they have both kinds of music - Country *and* Western...
 
2012-12-11 10:27:37 AM  

dickfreckle: make me some tea: Oh, sure, they do bring liberals onto their programs, but it's only to shout at them about how they're wrong and then cut their mic before they have a chance to respond.

That's what is so frustrating about this type. Let's face it - they're bullies. Statements not jibing with your narrative? Shout them down! Rush patented this.

I could live with Fox pushing their propaganda if they only allowed some sort of contrary air in that vacuum. But they don't. Therefore, I call bullsh*t.


I think that's why I have a visceral abhorrence to right-wing media. I can't stand that bullying crap. Had enough of that in junior high school.
 
2012-12-11 10:39:22 AM  

AirForceVet: Whar the "liberal representatives?"


Here's their favorite:

www.fotoblography.com
 
2012-12-11 10:40:59 AM  
Is that their real slogan or just a slogan they do as a Republican to make themselves feel better?
 
2012-12-11 10:41:18 AM  
See, Black Colmes Juan Williams? We are glad you've joined us at Fox News! Now, get my car, it's the champagne Acura...
 
2012-12-11 10:41:55 AM  
Fox IS the "Mainstream" media. They are NOT "fair and balanced".

All further lies flow from those big lies.
 
2012-12-11 10:43:59 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: AirForceVet: Whar the "liberal representatives?"

Here's their favorite:

[www.fotoblography.com image 850x632]


That guy's trying to steal my Medicare!
 
2012-12-11 10:44:00 AM  

AirForceVet: Whar the "liberal representatives?"

Whenever I catch Fox News on at work (which nearly every TV is tuned to all over the building), I only see the Fox News announcers interviewing Republicans, conservatives, or former members of Republican administrations.


The ones the hosts built out of straw.
 
2012-12-11 10:45:25 AM  
Why even bother pretending? We all know FOX is a right wing mouthpiece. That's what the people who watch want. That's why anyone with any media savvy laughs at FOX's motto. Why not just own it instead of pretending to be whiny sissies constantly getting pushed around by the big bad MSM?
 
2012-12-11 10:45:33 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: AirForceVet: Whar the "liberal representatives?"

Here's their favorite:


Ok I see it's been covered.
 
2012-12-11 10:45:44 AM  
Conservative Media Are Not the Problem

So true, the Romney landslide showed all these libtards who tells the truth round here!
 
2012-12-11 10:49:59 AM  
Conservative Media Are Not the Problem says conservative journalist shill David Limbaugh.
 
2012-12-11 10:50:15 AM  
FTFA:
Indeed, many liberals are so certain that only their views are legitimate and that contrary ones are dangerous (they often lead to violence) that they flirt with the notion that vocal opposition ought to be muzzled -- as witnessed by campus speech codes, their crusades against so-called hate speech and the Fairness Doctrine.

I don't think that means what you think it means.
 
2012-12-11 10:51:00 AM  
They don't get liberal representatives. They either get people akin to "blue dogs" who agree with 90% of what they're saying or a stark raving madman so far out in left field he's in the parking lot. If, by some strange twist of fortune, they get someone who's actually a mainstream liberal able to properly articulate and argue their positions, they either cut them off or shout over them.
 
2012-12-11 10:52:20 AM  

Vodka Zombie: AirForceVet: Whar the "liberal representatives?"

Whenever I catch Fox News on at work (which nearly every TV is tuned to all over the building), I only see the Fox News announcers interviewing Republicans, conservatives, or former members of Republican administrations.

Yeah. But, some of those people "understand" Liberals, and are therefore qualified to tell everyone what Liberals are thinking or planning to do.


If you want to know what a Liberal believes, ask a Conservative.

Rule #1 of politics in America.
 
2012-12-11 10:52:21 AM  
Whenever they have Kristen Powers or Juan Williams they end up agreeing with Hannity or O Reilly through the whole segment.

Liberal? Yeah right.
 
2012-12-11 10:53:51 AM  
swaniefrmreddeer

Fox News viewers have an average IQ of 80, borderline retarded. People who have the ability to think are progressives, those who don't think, watch Fox News.



Dude....your mother's IQ is only in the low 80s and that has never stopped the neighborhood kids from watching her.
 
2012-12-11 10:54:11 AM  
Oh wait you're serious, let me laugh even harder
 
2012-12-11 10:54:32 AM  

urbangirl: FTFA:
Indeed, many liberals are so certain that only their views are legitimate and that contrary ones are dangerous (they often lead to violence) that they flirt with the notion that vocal opposition ought to be muzzled -- as witnessed by campus speech codes, their crusades against so-called hate speech and the Fairness Doctrine.

I don't think that means what you think it means.


Goddamnitsomuch. It's really, really starting to grate on me how everyone and anyone that disagrees with the far right morons in this country is a "liberal". I guess this asshat didn't get the memo about losing the elections badly due to extremism and alienation of every demographic in this country save one. That's all I need to hear from some shill to place them in the same boat as Rush and Beck.

A boat that I would then set adrift, and target with an Archimedes death ray.
 
2012-12-11 10:54:46 AM  

RexTalionis: Conservative Media Are Is Not the Problem

Someone should get this man a grammar checker.


"Media" is the plural of "Medium", so "Media are" is correct.

Someone should have paid more attention in school.
 
2012-12-11 10:54:51 AM  
Must be Townhall's turn for the "look at all these liberals at Fox News" article this month.
 
2012-12-11 10:54:53 AM  

Diogenes: [www.interestingtopics.net image 447x341]
We attempted to reach one of Fox News' liberal voices but were told she
was unavailable for an indefinite amount of time.


I'll be in my bunk.
 
2012-12-11 10:56:53 AM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
What a "liberal" host or guest on a Fox News show might look like.
 
2012-12-11 10:57:04 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Vodka Zombie: AirForceVet: Whar the "liberal representatives?"

Whenever I catch Fox News on at work (which nearly every TV is tuned to all over the building), I only see the Fox News announcers interviewing Republicans, conservatives, or former members of Republican administrations.

Yeah. But, some of those people "understand" Liberals, and are therefore qualified to tell everyone what Liberals are thinking or planning to do.

If you want to know what a Liberal believes, ask a Conservative.

Rule #1 of politics in America.


Yup. They tell me all the time what it is I believe. Rather amusing.
 
2012-12-11 10:58:32 AM  
they have liberal guests but they almost invariably have "Everlast" written across their foreheads
 
2012-12-11 10:59:34 AM  
A sure sign that Republicans are not ready for reality, they still try to claim Fox news is fair and balance despite all evidance against it.

Double down conservatives!
 
2012-12-11 11:00:54 AM  

NateGrey: Whenever they have Kristen Powers or Juan Williams they end up agreeing with Hannity or O Reilly through the whole segment.

Liberal? Yeah right.


A few times Colmes argued a position opposite Hannity's and he was shiat canned.
 
2012-12-11 11:02:05 AM  
born_yesterday

urbangirl: FTFA:
Indeed, many liberals are so certain that only their views are legitimate and that contrary ones are dangerous (they often lead to violence) that they flirt with the notion that vocal opposition ought to be muzzled -- as witnessed by campus speech codes, their crusades against so-called hate speech and the Fairness Doctrine.

I don't think that means what you think it means.

Goddamnitsomuch. It's really, really starting to grate on me how everyone and anyone that disagrees with the far right morons in this country is a "liberal". I guess this asshat didn't get the memo about losing the elections badly due to extremism and alienation of every demographic in this country save one. That's all I need to hear from some shill to place them in the same boat as Rush and Beck.

A boat that I would then set adrift, and target with an Archimedes death ray.


Didn't MythBusters debunk the Archimedes death ray?
 
2012-12-11 11:02:17 AM  

AirForceVet: Whar the "liberal representatives?"

Whenever I catch Fox News on at work (which nearly every TV is tuned to all over the building), I only see the Fox News announcers interviewing Republicans, conservatives, or former members of Republican administrations.


Listen for when a bunch of them are shouting somebody down. That person will be a liberal.
 
JW
2012-12-11 11:02:17 AM  
Like many myopic liberals, he is blind to liberal media bias and intolerant of the opposing viewpoint. As a result of their arrogance and the cloistered echo-chambered environments they inhabit, most liberals don't believe liberal journalists slant their reporting, but present the only reasonable take on the issues.

At least conservatives, both in the media and in public service, are more honest with themselves and others about their own beliefs and biases, and thus represent much less danger to the republic than liberal politicians and media masquerading as neutral, unbiased, objective or bipartisan. Even so, conservatives would never advocate chilling or suppressing liberal speech in any way.


That is a statement that can only come from the unbiased and nonpartisan point of view. If any of you need an example of textbook objectivity, this is it right here. Anything that does not agree with it is liberal myopy.
 
2012-12-11 11:02:37 AM  

mrshowrules: NateGrey: Whenever they have Kristen Powers or Juan Williams they end up agreeing with Hannity or O Reilly through the whole segment.

Liberal? Yeah right.

A few times Colmes argued a position opposite Hannity's and he was shiat canned.


oh please, Colmes was ALWAYS contrary to Hannity. He just sucked at it... which doesn't explain why he was fired of course
 
2012-12-11 11:03:01 AM  
Grandmas and Grandpas everywhere thank Townhall for telling them Fox News keeps them infromed.
 
2012-12-11 11:03:30 AM  
What liberals really want is to destroy America, poop on Jesus' constitution, hand your daughters to young bucks eating t bone steaks with SNAP cards and establish a European socialist marxist regime, because they hate success and anglo saxon heritage.

I just presented the liberal point of view, deal with it liberals.
 
2012-12-11 11:03:55 AM  
I've argued this with my parents many times, as they cite "Look, that guys is a Liberal. They have both sides.". The reason is that many of their shows use the same techniques my HS AP Government class teacher taught us on how to frame an argument.

1. Lead with a thesis.
2. State the oppositions argument.
3. Discredit that argument, lead with your counter
4. Make 2 more arguments, finishing with your strongest
5. Restate Thesis/conclusion

I don't watch Fox really, but my parents had me watch "The Five" with them once. They come back from commercial, throw out the topic of discussion, let Bob the liberal chime in with a mediocre point, and then dog pile on him.

The whole show is built to favor the four and discredit the liberal. Much like most of Fox News.
 
2012-12-11 11:06:15 AM  
Publikwerks

I've argued this with my parents many times, as they cite "Look, that guys is a Liberal. They have both sides.". The reason is that many of their shows use the same techniques my HS AP Government class teacher taught us on how to frame an argument.

1. Lead with a thesis.
2. State the oppositions argument.
3. Discredit that argument, lead with your counter
4. Make 2 more arguments, finishing with your strongest
5. Restate Thesis/conclusion

I don't watch Fox really, but my parents had me watch "The Five" with them once. They come back from commercial, throw out the topic of discussion, let Bob the liberal chime in with a mediocre point, and then dog pile on him.

The whole show is built to favor the four and discredit the liberal. Much like most of Fox News.



When you grow up and move away from home you can watch anything you want!
 
2012-12-11 11:07:03 AM  

CreamFilling: RexTalionis: Conservative Media Are Is Not the Problem

Someone should get this man a grammar checker.

Dude, you're smarter than that.


Why? The general rule for collective nouns (team, media, group, etc.) is to use the singular verb when the group is considered as a single unit: 1) Our team is really good.

Pluralization is then used to emphasize individual members of the group: 2) The team are in disagreement over their positions.

Same rule applies to media, since the word is generally considered a collective entity. 1) Conservative media (all of it) is not the problem. 2) When it comes to television and radio, well, two media are better than one.

So I think his correction stands.
 
2012-12-11 11:08:01 AM  

skullkrusher: oh please, Colmes was ALWAYS contrary to Hannity. He just sucked at it... which doesn't explain why he was fired of course


My suspicion is that he had a talk with the producer about maybe standing up for himself a little more on air, and the conversation ended with "Well, you wanna quit or be fired? Your choice, buddy."
 
2012-12-11 11:08:57 AM  

DeltaPunch: CreamFilling: RexTalionis: Conservative Media Are Is Not the Problem

Someone should get this man a grammar checker.

Dude, you're smarter than that.

Why? The general rule for collective nouns (team, media, group, etc.) is to use the singular verb when the group is considered as a single unit: 1) Our team is really good.

Pluralization is then used to emphasize individual members of the group: 2) The team are in disagreement over their positions.

Same rule applies to media, since the word is generally considered a collective entity. 1) Conservative media (all of it) is not the problem. 2) When it comes to television and radio, well, two media are better than one.

So I think his correction stands.


yep.

/achtung!
 
2012-12-11 11:09:40 AM  

incendi: skullkrusher: oh please, Colmes was ALWAYS contrary to Hannity. He just sucked at it... which doesn't explain why he was fired of course

My suspicion is that he had a talk with the producer about maybe standing up for himself a little more on air, and the conversation ended with "Well, you wanna quit or be fired? Your choice, buddy."


more likely. Colmes was a pussy but he didn't agree with Hannity on most things.
 
2012-12-11 11:09:44 AM  

DeltaPunch: Same rule applies to media, since the word is generally considered a collective entity. 1) Conservative media (all of it) is not the problem. 2) When it comes to television and radio, well, two media are better than one.

So I think his correction stands.


Either one is still better than "Conservative mediums"
 
2012-12-11 11:11:36 AM  
"To them, it is not biased to denigrate the conservative viewpoint, because to them that viewpoint is aberrational. To them, for example, there aren't two sides to manmade global warming; there is just the fact-based community and the deniers. To them, science-based intelligent design is, oddly, anti-science, whereas macroevolution, which can't begin to explain the formation of matter from nothing, much less life from non-life, is an incontrovertible fact. "

Yup, anyone who doesn't drink the derp is obviously biased.
 
2012-12-11 11:11:40 AM  

Diogenes: [www.interestingtopics.net image 447x341]
We attempted to reach one of Fox News' liberal voices but were told she
was unavailable for an indefinite amount of time.


I have the strangest boner looking at that picture.
 
2012-12-11 11:12:33 AM  
Townhall

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2012-12-11 11:14:00 AM  
Satire tag broken?
 
2012-12-11 11:14:03 AM  

RexTalionis: Conservative Media Are Is Not the Problem

Someone should get this man a grammar checker.



Media is the plural of medium.
 
2012-12-11 11:14:16 AM  

incendi: DeltaPunch: Same rule applies to media, since the word is generally considered a collective entity. 1) Conservative media (all of it) is not the problem. 2) When it comes to television and radio, well, two media are better than one.

So I think his correction stands.

Either one is still better than "Conservative mediums"


www.thealgonquinplaza.com
I see Obama taking your gunssssss....

 
2012-12-11 11:15:11 AM  
zarberg

Diogenes: [www.interestingtopics.net image 447x341]
We attempted to reach one of Fox News' liberal voices but were told she
was unavailable for an indefinite amount of time.

I have the strangest boner looking at that picture.



Strange how? Like a weird sharp or color? Is it a strange color?
 
2012-12-11 11:17:30 AM  

karnal: zarberg

Diogenes: [www.interestingtopics.net image 447x341]
We attempted to reach one of Fox News' liberal voices but were told she
was unavailable for an indefinite amount of time.

I have the strangest boner looking at that picture.


Strange how? Like a weird sharp or color? Is it a strange color?


if your boner is sharp, I think the "weird" adjective is redundant
 
2012-12-11 11:18:22 AM  

karnal: Strange how? Like a weird sharp or color? Is it a strange color?


img267.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-11 11:22:01 AM  
It's just odd that somehow people feel like something would be lost if Fox News just came out and said 'we're a conservative media platform'. I know we like to have this glossy facade of "goodness" and "rightness" in our world, but I don't see how there would be any impact if Fox News just embraced the notion that they provide a conservative slant on current events.
 
2012-12-11 11:22:16 AM  

Leeds: This just in- People who get all of their news and commentary from one network are ALWAYS less informed than the rest of us.

And yes, that holds regardless of political leanings or affiliations.


i98.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-11 11:22:58 AM  

karnal: Strange how? Like a weird sharp or color? Is it a strange color?


img.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-11 11:23:19 AM  

skullkrusher: mrshowrules: NateGrey: Whenever they have Kristen Powers or Juan Williams they end up agreeing with Hannity or O Reilly through the whole segment.

Liberal? Yeah right.

A few times Colmes argued a position opposite Hannity's and he was shiat canned.

oh please, Colmes was ALWAYS contrary to Hannity. He just sucked at it... which doesn't explain why he was fired of course


Well he sucked at the arguing. My impression was that he was actually showing some backbone and that is why he got fired. All second hand information for me because I never watch Fox.
 
2012-12-11 11:23:20 AM  
Fox News: The "We have liberals on news shows, but we tell them to SHUT-THE-F*CK-UP-DONNY" network.
 
2012-12-11 11:26:58 AM  

mrshowrules: skullkrusher: mrshowrules: NateGrey: Whenever they have Kristen Powers or Juan Williams they end up agreeing with Hannity or O Reilly through the whole segment.

Liberal? Yeah right.

A few times Colmes argued a position opposite Hannity's and he was shiat canned.

oh please, Colmes was ALWAYS contrary to Hannity. He just sucked at it... which doesn't explain why he was fired of course

Well he sucked at the arguing. My impression was that he was actually showing some backbone and that is why he got fired. All second hand information for me because I never watch Fox.


as incendi said. He probably got tired of being told to rein it in
 
2012-12-11 11:27:00 AM  

karnal: zarberg

Diogenes: [www.interestingtopics.net image 447x341]
We attempted to reach one of Fox News' liberal voices but were told she
was unavailable for an indefinite amount of time.

I have the strangest boner looking at that picture.


Strange how? Like a weird sharp or color? Is it a strange color?


Strange as in "I probably should be aroused at a bound and gagged pretty woman"

But it's the exact same boner I get when I see this
 
2012-12-11 11:28:09 AM  

karnal: Publikwerks

I've argued this with my parents many times, as they cite "Look, that guys is a Liberal. They have both sides.". The reason is that many of their shows use the same techniques my HS AP Government class teacher taught us on how to frame an argument.

1. Lead with a thesis.
2. State the oppositions argument.
3. Discredit that argument, lead with your counter
4. Make 2 more arguments, finishing with your strongest
5. Restate Thesis/conclusion

I don't watch Fox really, but my parents had me watch "The Five" with them once. They come back from commercial, throw out the topic of discussion, let Bob the liberal chime in with a mediocre point, and then dog pile on him.

The whole show is built to favor the four and discredit the liberal. Much like most of Fox News.


When you grow up and move away from home you can watch anything you want!


I drop my son off in the morning and pick him up in the afternoon at my parents. They get him on and off the bus. I watched "The Five" once. Now, I just leave the room.
 
2012-12-11 11:28:11 AM  

zarberg: Strange as in "I probably should be aroused at a bound and gagged pretty woman"

But it's the exact same boner I get when I see this


Oooops ... "shouldn't"

/typo
// ... or is it?
 
2012-12-11 11:31:00 AM  

zarberg: karnal: zarberg

Diogenes: [www.interestingtopics.net image 447x341]
We attempted to reach one of Fox News' liberal voices but were told she
was unavailable for an indefinite amount of time.

I have the strangest boner looking at that picture.


Strange how? Like a weird sharp or color? Is it a strange color?

Strange as in "I probably should be aroused at a bound and gagged pretty woman"

But it's the exact same boner I get when I see this


giggity - is that Lacey or just an adorable girl who looks remarkably like her?
 
2012-12-11 11:31:20 AM  

Klippoklondike: Shepard Smith seems like an alright guy.

That's about it.


Shepard Smith seems like an animatronic puppet. He gets props for being able to occasionally calling out real facts, but I find myself unable to look at the guy since he seems to be on the wrong side of the uncanny valley.
 
2012-12-11 11:32:24 AM  
The Fox News chairman's message was delivered to Petraeus by Kathleen T. McFarland, a Fox News national security analyst and former national security and Pentagon aide in three Republican administrations. She did so at the end of a 90-minute, unfiltered conversation with Petraeus that touched on the general's future, his relationship with the media and his political aspirations - or lack thereof. The Washington Post has obtained a digital recording from the meeting, which took place in Petraeus's office in Kabul.

McFarland also said that Ailes - who had a decades-long career as a Republican political consultant, advising Richard M. Nixon, Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush - might resign as head of Fox to run a Petraeus presidential campaign. At one point, McFarland and Petraeus spoke about the possibility that Rupert Murdoch, the head of News Corp., which owns Fox News, would "bankroll" the campaign.

"Rupert's after me as well," Petraeus told McFarland.

McFarland said she had spoken "directly" to the Fox News chairman and the "advice to you from Roger Ailes is. ... He says that if you're offered [JCS] chairman, take it. If you're offered anything else, don't take it; resign in six months and run for president."

Petraeus demurred, saying he would consider the CIA directorship if Obama offered it, as the president did several weeks later. Petraeus was confirmed and sworn in as director on Sept. 6, 2011. He resigned a year later, on Nov. 9, after the disclosure of an extramarital affair with his biographer.

In a telephone interview Monday, the wily and sharp-tongued Ailes said he did indeed ask McFarland to make the pitch to Petraeus.
 

Fair and Balanced my ass. Goebbels would be proud of Murdoch
 
2012-12-11 11:32:31 AM  
...At least conservatives, both in the media and in public service, are more honest with themselves and others about their own beliefs and biases...

so true, take this article for example, they've really laid out an honest critique of the opposition and have rightfully come to the conclusion that they are clear eyed, thoughtful, and wise. If only everyone else would quit picking on them and realize this truth America could move into a golden age of prosperity.

GOP shill writer concludes GOP shill network is just fine in an article you can find on a GOP shill blog.

what bubble?

/this is the equivalent of a booger faced kid saying, "My Mom says I'm cool".
 
2012-12-11 11:33:43 AM  
Admittedly, many conservatives complain about the liberal media, but that's because they hold themselves out as unbiased journalists when their reporting is flagrantly slanted in favor of Democrats.

Their bias is obvious in their selection of news stories, in their presentation of those stories, and in the contrasting treatment they accord politicians and policies of the respective political parties.

Conservative radio talkers generally don't hold themselves out as unbiased journalists but as commentators, and they have every right to voice their opinions.


So basically according to the author any reporting which doesn't reflect a perspective where conservatism is on a pedestal and liberalism is inherently evil, then the reporting is "liberally biased".
 
2012-12-11 11:33:57 AM  

skullkrusher: giggity - is that Lacey or just an adorable girl who looks remarkably like her?


It's her. I felt like a dirty old man watching Party of Five way back in high school and thinking she was gonna grow up hot. I feel rather vindicated now.

She's not just a cute face, either ... dat azz
 
2012-12-11 11:35:10 AM  
Fox News IS "fair" and "balanced", according to selective definitions:

Definition of FAIR (adjective) - 6b(1): conforming with the established rules; 6b(2): consonant with merit or importance (a fair share); 6c: open to legitimate pursuit, attack, or ridicule (fair game)

Definition of BALANCE(d) (transitive verb) - 1a (1) : to compute the difference between the debits and credits of (an account) (2) : to pay the amount due on

Definition of BALANCE(d) (intransitive verb) - 3 : waver (1 : to vacillate irresolutely between choices : fluctuate in opinion, allegiance, or direction)

/from merriam-webster.com
//hates Fox News
///thinks Fox News is news for morons from morons
 
2012-12-11 11:35:58 AM  
. To them, for example, there aren't two sides to manmade global warming; there is just the fact-based community and the deniers.

This is true.
 
2012-12-11 11:37:01 AM  

DeltaPunch: CreamFilling: RexTalionis: Conservative Media Are Is Not the Problem

Someone should get this man a grammar checker.

Dude, you're smarter than that.

Why? The general rule for collective nouns (team, media, group, etc.) is to use the singular verb when the group is considered as a single unit: 1) Our team is really good.

Pluralization is then used to emphasize individual members of the group: 2) The team are in disagreement over their positions.

Same rule applies to media, since the word is generally considered a collective entity. 1) Conservative media (all of it) is not the problem. 2) When it comes to television and radio, well, two media are better than one.

So I think his correction stands.


"The team are..." is ALWAYS wrong. "The team" is a single entity. Is it in disagreement with itself?  Should be "The members of the team are in disagreement over their positions".

So when it's "The Conservative Media" as a single entity, use "is".
When it's "conservative media" as a group of entities, use "are".

/writer
//pet peeve
 
2012-12-11 11:38:46 AM  

error 303: It's just odd that somehow people feel like something would be lost if Fox News just came out and said 'we're a conservative media platform'. I know we like to have this glossy facade of "goodness" and "rightness" in our world, but I don't see how there would be any impact if Fox News just embraced the notion that they provide a conservative slant on current events.


But then they couldn't be victims.
 
2012-12-11 11:39:01 AM  
Publikwerks

karnal: Publikwerks

I've argued this with my parents many times, as they cite "Look, that guys is a Liberal. They have both sides.". The reason is that many of their shows use the same techniques my HS AP Government class teacher taught us on how to frame an argument.

1. Lead with a thesis.
2. State the oppositions argument.
3. Discredit that argument, lead with your counter
4. Make 2 more arguments, finishing with your strongest
5. Restate Thesis/conclusion

I don't watch Fox really, but my parents had me watch "The Five" with them once. They come back from commercial, throw out the topic of discussion, let Bob the liberal chime in with a mediocre point, and then dog pile on him.

The whole show is built to favor the four and discredit the liberal. Much like most of Fox News.


When you grow up and move away from home you can watch anything you want!

I drop my son off in the morning and pick him up in the afternoon at my parents. They get him on and off the bus. I watched "The Five" once. Now, I just leave the room.



I'm sorry if my quip was misinterpreted as a request for your life story.....it wasn't.
 
2012-12-11 11:39:06 AM  

zarberg: skullkrusher: giggity - is that Lacey or just an adorable girl who looks remarkably like her?

It's her. I felt like a dirty old man watching Party of Five way back in high school and thinking she was gonna grow up hot. I feel rather vindicated now.

She's not just a cute face, either ... dat azz


long time fan. One of the many reasons why Mean Girls is the greatest piece of cinema created in a generation

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-12-11 11:40:27 AM  
The problem is journalists who once acted as watchdogs against abuses of power and who now function as co-conspirators in those abuses by liberal politicians. If they choose to abandon any pretense toward objective journalism, that is their prerogative, but it is ours to shine a spotlight on their fraudulent abdication.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-11 11:40:30 AM  
Fox News: literally farting on the tongue of America.
 
2012-12-11 11:42:55 AM  
Panel discussion with a conservative moderator, three conservative guests and one mildly-left-leaning guest. Moderator gives open-ended questions to the conservatives and allows them the lion's share of the time to respond. Moderator then asks the lib "have you stopped beating your wife yet?" and interrupts him 2 seconds into his stammering response.

Ta-dah! Fox Balance!
 
2012-12-11 11:46:18 AM  
I've been down this road before with FNC fans in my family.

Me: Look I know you have your opinions, but you should really try to take in some media other than Fox and talk radio, just so you have a better idea of what other people believe. Try NPR or PBS or something.

My loving but derpy family member: Actually Fox has liberals on all the time! They do a much better job presenting leftist arguments than those idiots on MSNBC and CNN. You should watch more Fox.
 
2012-12-11 11:50:03 AM  

AirForceVet: Whar the "liberal representatives?"

Whenever I catch Fox News on at work (which nearly every TV is tuned to all over the building), I only see the Fox News announcers interviewing Republicans, conservatives, or former members of Republican administrations.


Has anyone pointed out that Fox News had Michael "Heck of a Job" Brown on as a Democratic strategist? How about how their other Democratic strategists work for Republican campaigns regularly, are invited to private conservative events, and are primarily on to discuss how Obama screwed the pooch on the issue of the day? Heck, they publicly urged Obama not to seek reelection because of how poor his performance has been/how badly Republicans would beat him this year.
 
2012-12-11 11:57:45 AM  

DeltaPunch: CreamFilling: RexTalionis: Conservative Media Are Is Not the Problem

Someone should get this man a grammar checker.

Dude, you're smarter than that.

Why? The general rule for collective nouns (team, media, group, etc.) is to use the singular verb when the group is considered as a single unit: 1) Our team is really good.

Pluralization is then used to emphasize individual members of the group: 2) The team are in disagreement over their positions.

Same rule applies to media, since the word is generally considered a collective entity. 1) Conservative media (all of it) is not the problem. 2) When it comes to television and radio, well, two media are better than one.

So I think his correction stands.


You can use either is or are with media, but which one you use affects how the term should be perceived. The fact that he said "are" when "is" is the common convention should signal that either he specifically meant it as a plural or an overzealous editor had already changed it.
 
2012-12-11 12:03:19 PM  

AirForceVet: Whar the "liberal representatives?"

Whenever I catch Fox News on at work (which nearly every TV is tuned to all over the building), I only see the Fox News announcers interviewing Republicans, conservatives, or former members of Republican administrations.


Sounds like the company I work for. In the main lobbies of their buildings they have big TVs tuned into FOX News all day long. Luckily I work off-site and am not exposed to it, but last year I had to work 4 months at one of the buildings. Every time I was in the lobby it almost felt like I was in North Korea being bombarded with party propoganda.
 
2012-12-11 12:05:15 PM  
Foxnews most certainly have the most biased mouthpieces...from Diane Sawyer to Martin Bashir...and sinking to the depths of Chris Matthews, Joy Behar and Brian Williams.
 
2012-12-11 12:05:15 PM  

Klippoklondike: Shepard Smith seems like an alright guy.

That's about it.


What's her name -- the blonde one, is hot
 
2012-12-11 12:10:09 PM  

heavymetal: AirForceVet: Whar the "liberal representatives?"

Whenever I catch Fox News on at work (which nearly every TV is tuned to all over the building), I only see the Fox News announcers interviewing Republicans, conservatives, or former members of Republican administrations.

Sounds like the company I work for. In the main lobbies of their buildings they have big TVs tuned into FOX News all day long. Luckily I work off-site and am not exposed to it, but last year I had to work 4 months at one of the buildings. Every time I was in the lobby it almost felt like I was in North Korea being bombarded with party propoganda.


Here is what I am perplexed about. If it was a corporate building, where execs, sales, marketing, etc were located, would I really want Fox News on my TVs? Sure, as a business man, my interests probably lie in the conservative so i can avoid taxes like it was my job, but that doesn't mean I would believe any of the dogshiat on Fox. And if I was the CEO of the company (maybe I'm thinking too blue chip), would I want clients or associates seeing that dreck and thinking I or my company are a bunch of country bumpkins?

I guess if it's just a building where are the plebes work, that makes sense.
 
2012-12-11 12:11:43 PM  

make me some tea: dickfreckle: make me some tea: Oh, sure, they do bring liberals onto their programs, but it's only to shout at them about how they're wrong and then cut their mic before they have a chance to respond.

That's what is so frustrating about this type. Let's face it - they're bullies. Statements not jibing with your narrative? Shout them down! Rush patented this.

I could live with Fox pushing their propaganda if they only allowed some sort of contrary air in that vacuum. But they don't. Therefore, I call bullsh*t.

I think that's why I have a visceral abhorrence to right-wing media. I can't stand that bullying crap. Had enough of that in junior high school.


What really pisses me off is how they are the bully and act like the victim, sometimes at the SAME TIME.

'You are watching the number one undisputed highest ratings and most watched mainstream media news channel Fox News who is constantly every hour silenced and under the heel of the liberal MSM.'
 
2012-12-11 12:14:30 PM  

JW: Like many myopic liberals, he is blind to liberal media bias and intolerant of the opposing viewpoint. As a result of their arrogance and the cloistered echo-chambered environments they inhabit, most liberals don't believe liberal journalists slant their reporting, but present the only reasonable take on the issues.

At least conservatives, both in the media and in public service, are more honest with themselves and others about their own beliefs and biases, and thus represent much less danger to the republic than liberal politicians and media masquerading as neutral, unbiased, objective or bipartisan. Even so, conservatives would never advocate chilling or suppressing liberal speech in any way.

That is a statement that can only come from the unbiased and nonpartisan point of view. If any of you need an example of textbook objectivity, this is it right here. Anything that does not agree with it is liberal myopy.


7/10
 
2012-12-11 12:18:07 PM  
Personally, I love that FOX News describes itself as "balanced". It suggests that they're starting out with a predetermined conclusion and have to bring in the other side, you know, for "fairness".

You don't need to be "balanced" when you stick to the goddamn facts. They are what they are.
 
2012-12-11 12:25:20 PM  
Which Liberal did they have on Fox prior to election night predicting that Obama would win the election by 332 EVs? Must have missed that.
 
2012-12-11 12:29:03 PM  

urbangirl: "The team are..." is ALWAYS wrong.


That's not correct. What I typed is absolutely fine, despite the fact that you may not have seen it before. I believe it's one of those things that's more common in British English than American, but it is absolutely correct.  

One way to think of it: "after the game, the team shower and change into their street clothes." You can see how the singular would be preposterous here (its street clothes). Yes, of course you can type "members of the team" as an alternative, but that doesn't change the fact that -- depending on context -- it is perfectly fine to use "the team are".
 
2012-12-11 12:32:49 PM  
Speaking of fair and balanced, just saw this lovely ad here on Fark

pagead2.googlesyndication.com

Seriously, Drew, WTF?
 
2012-12-11 12:35:41 PM  

JW: Even so, conservatives would never advocate chilling or suppressing liberal speech in any way.


Wasn't there just a thread about a parade in South Carolina, jut a few threads up?
 
2012-12-11 12:39:23 PM  

zarberg: Speaking of fair and balanced, just saw this lovely ad here on Fark

[pagead2.googlesyndication.com image 300x250]

Seriously, Drew, WTF?


i.qkme.me

The fundies are getting even more desperate after the election. I hope they gnaw on each others' genitals until their jaws drop off, these f*cking faux patriot cretins.
 
2012-12-11 12:43:22 PM  

Diogenes: [www.interestingtopics.net image 447x341]
We attempted to reach one of Fox News' liberal voices but were told she
was unavailable for an indefinite amount of time.

 

"We're playing house."

"That girl is tied up!"

"It's Roman Polanski's house." 

fonepics.net
 
2012-12-11 12:43:53 PM  

RexTalionis: Conservative Media Are Is Not the Problem

Someone should get this man a grammar checker.


Media
Medium

Which one's singular in *your* dictionary?

/The data are in.
 
2012-12-11 12:45:41 PM  

karnal: Foxnews most certainly have the most biased mouthpieces...from Diane Sawyer to Martin Bashir...and sinking to the depths of Chris Matthews, Joy Behar and Brian Williams.


t.qkme.me
 
2012-12-11 12:46:00 PM  

zarberg: Speaking of fair and balanced, just saw this lovely ad here on Fark

[pagead2.googlesyndication.com image 300x250]

Seriously, Drew, WTF?


C'mon, you'll wade through 5 Contact Music links, dredge through some weapons grade DERP from American Thinker and Investors Business Daily whatever, and see 5 of the next 6 links from the Daily Mail, and you think Drew gives a good goddam who sends him a check?

And that's your Jose Cuervo Desperate Cash Grab of the WeekTM!(sponsored link)
 
2012-12-11 12:50:10 PM  

RminusQ: RexTalionis: Conservative Media Are Is Not the Problem

Someone should get this man a grammar checker.

While popular usage has "media" as a singular noun, it is properly speaking the plural of "medium". If the sucky blog is saying that none out of Fox News, Fox Business, the WSJ, the NY Post, the Washington Times, the Rush Limbaugh Show, The Sean Hannity Show, Examiner.com, RedState.com, and their own sucky blog are the problem, then using "media" as a plural is perfectly legitimate.

/unlike, say, the rest of that sentence, or their perpetual claim that there are no conservatives in the media
//when referring to "the media", however, it is generally taken to be singular


Which is why I've taken to calling it "The Press" and "The Internet"
 
2012-12-11 12:50:16 PM  

coeyagi: zarberg: Speaking of fair and balanced, just saw this lovely ad here on Fark

[pagead2.googlesyndication.com image 300x250]

Seriously, Drew, WTF?

[i.qkme.me image 625x87]

The fundies are getting even more desperate after the election. I hope they gnaw on each others' genitals until their jaws drop off, these f*cking faux patriot cretins.


That's just fishing for e-mail addresses. Watch last night's Rachel Maddow.
 
2012-12-11 12:52:31 PM  

zarberg: Speaking of fair and balanced, just saw this lovely ad here on Fark

[pagead2.googlesyndication.com image 300x250]

Seriously, Drew, WTF?


I never see those. Clear you cookies and see if it comes back again.
 
2012-12-11 12:53:58 PM  

ms_lara_croft: FTA: "Fox News portrays itself as "fair and balanced," and while many of its hosts are conservative, a fair number are liberal, and even on their commentary shows, they almost always have liberal representatives present the left's position on issues they're debating."

From their point of view, somebody has to provide the comic relief.


It's more like they just invent whatever a liberal is saying, then pay someone to project that. If they do dare have a liberal on their show, they'll either be a cartoonish wimp or a raving psycho that makes Fox's commentators look calm and collected. The only time they don't adhere to this formula, shows get cancelled and pundits get embarrassed.
 
2012-12-11 12:59:39 PM  
i.qkme.me

Saying informatory things to make money is so much better than giving head.
 
2012-12-11 01:04:19 PM  

karnal: Publikwerks

karnal: Publikwerks

I've argued this with my parents many times, as they cite "Look, that guys is a Liberal. They have both sides.". The reason is that many of their shows use the same techniques my HS AP Government class teacher taught us on how to frame an argument.

1. Lead with a thesis.
2. State the oppositions argument.
3. Discredit that argument, lead with your counter
4. Make 2 more arguments, finishing with your strongest
5. Restate Thesis/conclusion

I don't watch Fox really, but my parents had me watch "The Five" with them once. They come back from commercial, throw out the topic of discussion, let Bob the liberal chime in with a mediocre point, and then dog pile on him.

The whole show is built to favor the four and discredit the liberal. Much like most of Fox News.


When you grow up and move away from home you can watch anything you want!

I drop my son off in the morning and pick him up in the afternoon at my parents. They get him on and off the bus. I watched "The Five" once. Now, I just leave the room.


I'm sorry if my quip was misinterpreted as a request for your life story.....it wasn't.


Well, you can't bust heads on the internet, but there are tricks to dealing with wise-asses like yourself. My favorite, which you have just gotten a sample of is to tell 'em stories that don't go anywhere - like the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville.....
I needed a new heel for my shoe, so, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. Give me five bees for a quarter, you'd say.

Now where were we? Oh yeah: the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...
 
2012-12-11 01:04:55 PM  

derpy: coeyagi: zarberg: Speaking of fair and balanced, just saw this lovely ad here on Fark

[pagead2.googlesyndication.com image 300x250]

Seriously, Drew, WTF?

[i.qkme.me image 625x87]

The fundies are getting even more desperate after the election. I hope they gnaw on each others' genitals until their jaws drop off, these f*cking faux patriot cretins.

That's just fishing for e-mail addresses. Watch last night's Rachel Maddow.


I half paid attention to it. The amount of huckstering on the right is about what you'd expect given the average IQ of their quarry.
 
2012-12-11 01:10:13 PM  

Citrate1007: Conservative Media Are Not the Problem says conservative journalist shill David Limbaugh.


Pretty obvious fair and balanced review of an equally fair and balanced network. Suck it Libtards.

FTAs byline: "David Limbaugh, brother of radio talk-show host Rush Limbaugh, is an expert in law and politics and author of new book Crimes Against Liberty, the definitive chronicle of Barack Obama's devastating term in office so far."
 
2012-12-11 01:16:17 PM  
On Bullshiat mountain people believe that Fox News is the only reasonable voice of truth, and that CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, BBC, CBC, NPR, Time, Newsweek, Nate Silver, mathematics and facts are part of a vast liberal conspiracy. If they report on FACTS that are contrary to our OPINION they must be bias.

Let me give you an example.

I don't believe in climate change.

Fox News reports "news" that climate change is exaggerated or unproven.

Scientists and their data are just part of the Liberal agenda.

rinse and repeat for human reproduction, voting rights, the "gay agenda", war on Christmas etc..
 
2012-12-11 01:18:33 PM  

Publikwerks: Now where were we? Oh yeah: the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...


LOL
 
2012-12-11 01:25:03 PM  
My grandmother wholeheartedly believes this. I don't discuss politics with her (somehow she took me being bisexual and Pagan as me being clinically depressed, at which point I gave the f**k up), but every so often I'm tempted to point out that 'Fox liberals' actually entered the English language as a slang phrase, which is surprisingly hard to do.

/She still wouldn't get it, I have a feeling her scientific knowledge extends to 'the sky is blue'.
 
2012-12-11 01:37:59 PM  

DeltaPunch: urbangirl: "The team are..." is ALWAYS wrong.

That's not correct. What I typed is absolutely fine, despite the fact that you may not have seen it before. I believe it's one of those things that's more common in British English than American, but it is absolutely correct.  

One way to think of it: "after the game, the team shower and change into their street clothes." You can see how the singular would be preposterous here (its street clothes). Yes, of course you can type "members of the team" as an alternative, but that doesn't change the fact that -- depending on context -- it is perfectly fine to use "the team are".


Nope. It's not British English, it's sloppy English. And that's whether a Brit or an American is saying it. "The team" is singular.
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
 
2012-12-11 01:45:27 PM  

urbangirl: Nope. It's not British English, it's sloppy English. And that's whether a Brit or an American is saying it. "The team" is singular.
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.


Two good examples of collective nouns are "team" and "government", which are both words referring to groups of (usually) people. Both "team" and "government" are count nouns. (Consider: "one team", "two teams", "most teams"; "one government", "two governments", "many governments"). However, confusion often stems from the fact that plural verb forms are often used in British English with the singular forms of these count nouns (for example: "The team have finished the project."). Conversely, in the English language as a whole, singular verb forms can often be used with nouns ending in "-s" that were once considered plural (for example: "Physics is my favorite academic subject"). This apparent "number mismatch" is actually a quite natural and logical feature of human language, and its mechanism is a subtle metonymic shift in the thoughts underlying the words.
In British English, it is generally accepted that collective nouns can take either singular or plural verb forms depending on the context and the metonymic shift that it implies. For example, "the team is in the dressing room" (formal agreement) refers to the team as an ensemble, whilst "the team are fighting among themselves" (notional agreement) refers to the team as individuals. This is also British English practice with names of countries and cities in sports contexts; for example, "Germany have won the competition.", "Madrid have lost three consecutive matches.", etc. In American English, collective nouns almost invariably take singular verb forms (formal agreement). In cases where a metonymic shift would be otherwise revealed nearby, the whole sentence may be recast to avoid the metonymy. (For example, "The team are fighting among themselves" may become "the team members are fighting among themselves" or simply "The team is fighting.") See American and British English differences - Formal and notional agreement.
A good example of such a metonymic shift in the singular-to-plural direction (which, generally speaking, only occurs in British English) is the following sentence: "The team have finished the project." In that sentence, the underlying thought is of the individual members of the team working together to finish the project. Their accomplishment is collective, and the emphasis is not on their individual identities, yet they are at the same time still discrete individuals; the word choice "team have" manages to convey both their collective and discrete identities simultaneously. A good example of such a metonymic shift in the plural-to-singular direction is the following sentence: "Mathematics is my favorite academic subject." The word "mathematics" may have originally been plural in concept, referring to mathematic endeavors, but metonymic shift-that is, the shift in concept from "the endeavors" to "the whole set of endeavors"-produced the usage of "mathematics" as a singular entity taking singular verb forms. (A true mass-noun sense of "mathematics" followed naturally.)
Nominally singular pronouns can be collective nouns taking plural verbs, according to the same rules that apply to other collective nouns. For example, it is correct British English or American English usage to say: "None are so fallible as those who are sure they're right." In this case, the plural verb is used because the context for "none" suggests more than one thing or person.[1]

Link
 
2012-12-11 01:47:36 PM  

czei: "To them, it is not biased to denigrate the conservative viewpoint, because to them that viewpoint is aberrational. To them, for example, there aren't two sides to manmade global warming; there is just the fact-based community and the deniers. To them, science-based intelligent design is, oddly, anti-science, whereas macroevolution, which can't begin to explain the formation of matter from nothing, much less life from non-life, is an incontrovertible fact. "

Yup, anyone who doesn't drink the derp is obviously biased.


FFS.
 
2012-12-11 01:48:59 PM  

urbangirl: DeltaPunch: urbangirl: "The team are..." is ALWAYS wrong.

That's not correct. What I typed is absolutely fine, despite the fact that you may not have seen it before. I believe it's one of those things that's more common in British English than American, but it is absolutely correct.  

One way to think of it: "after the game, the team shower and change into their street clothes." You can see how the singular would be preposterous here (its street clothes). Yes, of course you can type "members of the team" as an alternative, but that doesn't change the fact that -- depending on context -- it is perfectly fine to use "the team are".

Nope. It's not British English, it's sloppy English. And that's whether a Brit or an American is saying it. "The team" is singular.
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.


It's like "data."

We usually say "The data indicates that _______," unless we're elitist douchebags.
 
2012-12-11 01:53:50 PM  
I move that we need to be able to double-tag things, because this SCREAMS for both Amusing and Unlikely.
 
2012-12-11 01:54:04 PM  

urbangirl: Nope. It's not British English, it's sloppy English. And that's whether a Brit or an American is saying it. "The team" is singular.


This is incorrect. According to both my actual experience, as well as Wikipedia: In British English, it is generally accepted that collective nouns can take either singular or plural verb forms depending on the context and the metonymic shift that it implies. For example, "the team is in the dressing room" (formal agreement) refers to the team as an ensemble, whilst "the team are fighting among themselves" (notional agreement) refers to the team as individuals. This is also British English practice with names of countries and cities in sports contexts; for example, "Germany have won the competition.", "Madrid have lost three consecutive matches.", etc. In American English, collective nouns almost invariably take singular verb forms.

urbangirl: I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.


Or you could just admit that you are wrong.
 
2012-12-11 01:57:00 PM  
Wait a minute. This Townhall article was written by David Limbaugh? Son of Rush Limbaugh?
Why not just link to articles in Stormfront?
 
2012-12-11 02:08:40 PM  

red5ish: Wait a minute. This Townhall article was written by David Limbaugh? Son of Rush Limbaugh?
Why not just link to articles in Stormfront?


brother
 
2012-12-11 02:23:46 PM  
He's right, you know. The Conservative Media isn't the problem, it's just one major problem among many.
 
2012-12-11 02:45:13 PM  

plewis: He's right, you know. The Conservative Media aren't the problem, they're just a few major problems among many.


Where do we draw the line for inciting a riot?
 
2012-12-11 03:05:05 PM  
Publikwerks

karnal: Publikwerks

karnal: Publikwerks

I've argued this with my parents many times, as they cite "Look, that guys is a Liberal. They have both sides.". The reason is that many of their shows use the same techniques my HS AP Government class teacher taught us on how to frame an argument.

1. Lead with a thesis.
2. State the oppositions argument.
3. Discredit that argument, lead with your counter
4. Make 2 more arguments, finishing with your strongest
5. Restate Thesis/conclusion

I don't watch Fox really, but my parents had me watch "The Five" with them once. They come back from commercial, throw out the topic of discussion, let Bob the liberal chime in with a mediocre point, and then dog pile on him.

The whole show is built to favor the four and discredit the liberal. Much like most of Fox News.


When you grow up and move away from home you can watch anything you want!

I drop my son off in the morning and pick him up in the afternoon at my parents. They get him on and off the bus. I watched "The Five" once. Now, I just leave the room.


I'm sorry if my quip was misinterpreted as a request for your life story.....it wasn't.

Well, you can't bust heads on the internet, but there are tricks to dealing with wise-asses like yourself. My favorite, which you have just gotten a sample of is to tell 'em stories that don't go anywhere - like the time I caught a fairy from Shelbyville.....
I needed a new heel for my shoe, so, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. Give me five bees for a quarter, you'd say.

Now where were we? Oh yeah: the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...



You caught a fairy from Shelbyville? Was it even fairy season?
 
2012-12-11 04:27:26 PM  
By liberals they mean someone the hosts can yell at through the segment and talk in condescending tones to.

Shep Smith is ok, The rest are blowhards or blondes that were hired just for looks and can read GOP talking points well
 
2012-12-11 04:49:04 PM  

karnal: Publikwerks

karnal: Publikwerks

karnal: Publikwerks

I've argued this with my parents many times, as they cite "Look, that guys is a Liberal. They have both sides.". The reason is that many of their shows use the same techniques my HS AP Government class teacher taught us on how to frame an argument.

1. Lead with a thesis.
2. State the oppositions argument.
3. Discredit that argument, lead with your counter
4. Make 2 more arguments, finishing with your strongest
5. Restate Thesis/conclusion

I don't watch Fox really, but my parents had me watch "The Five" with them once. They come back from commercial, throw out the topic of discussion, let Bob the liberal chime in with a mediocre point, and then dog pile on him.

The whole show is built to favor the four and discredit the liberal. Much like most of Fox News.


When you grow up and move away from home you can watch anything you want!

I drop my son off in the morning and pick him up in the afternoon at my parents. They get him on and off the bus. I watched "The Five" once. Now, I just leave the room.


I'm sorry if my quip was misinterpreted as a request for your life story.....it wasn't.

Well, you can't bust heads on the internet, but there are tricks to dealing with wise-asses like yourself. My favorite, which you have just gotten a sample of is to tell 'em stories that don't go anywhere - like the time I caught a fairy from Shelbyville.....
I needed a new heel for my shoe, so, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. Give me five bees for a quarter, you'd say.

Now where were we? Oh yeah: the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...


You caught a fairy from ...


In Shelbyville they're always in season. Personally, I take the ferry there every spring to catch a few.
 
2012-12-11 04:50:08 PM  

RexTalionis: Conservative Media Are Is Not the Problem

Someone should get this man a grammar checker.


While media is the plural of medium, the word has taken on more meaning than its pluralising state. The OED lists it as referring to mass produced journalism, and first coined in 1926. You can say drawing and painting are different art media (or mediums), but when people say 'media', they're talking about mass produced journalism. Saying "the conservative media" would mean "the conservative newspapers, tv shows, and blogs", not multiple specific shows or websites. If multiple forms of journalism is what he is referring to, then he is technically correct. However, I don't believe the headline is supposed to read: "Conservative mediums of journalism are not the problem". Because that would imply that certain mediums are inherently conservative, and, as we know, mediums of journalism should actually be inherently liberal...because reality. Thus: he might be technically correct in his grammar, but only really if he is incorrect in his intended meaning, but if his meaning is wrong, then his grammar is wrong.

tldr; RexTalionis is right, someone should get David Limbaugh a grammar checker.
 
2012-12-11 05:31:32 PM  
Subby is right. The game goes something like this:

Liberal pundit: "We think taxes on the wealthiest Americans should be raised by 2 percentage points so we can help pay down the national debt."

Conservative pundit: "FARK OFF YOU FARKING LIBERAL COMMUNIST! THIS IS CLASS WARFARE! YOU'RE TRYING TO DESTROY THE JOB CREATORS AND RUIN THE COUNTRY THAT WAS BUILT BY NOTHING BUT HONEST HARD WORK AND JESUS!"

Fox Host: "Yeah, no kidding. Why are you such a liberal idiot? For that matter, why are all liberals such complete idiots?"
 
2012-12-11 05:46:06 PM  
To them, for example, there aren't two sides to manmade global warming; there is just the fact-based community and the deniers.

that and their other examples work for me.
 
2012-12-11 05:51:49 PM  
and speaking of your oxymoron's:

To them, science-based intelligent design is,
 
2012-12-11 06:23:47 PM  
i45.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-11 06:24:19 PM  
what an idiotic circle-jerk. a bunch of political "geniuses" in here ragging on how they imagine the fox news channel treats their liberal commentators.

please carry on with your wild-eyed whackadoodliness.
 
2012-12-11 08:16:03 PM  
FOX news. We distort, you deride.
 
2012-12-11 11:56:15 PM  

coeyagi: heavymetal: AirForceVet: Whar the "liberal representatives?"

Whenever I catch Fox News on at work (which nearly every TV is tuned to all over the building), I only see the Fox News announcers interviewing Republicans, conservatives, or former members of Republican administrations.

Sounds like the company I work for. In the main lobbies of their buildings they have big TVs tuned into FOX News all day long. Luckily I work off-site and am not exposed to it, but last year I had to work 4 months at one of the buildings. Every time I was in the lobby it almost felt like I was in North Korea being bombarded with party propoganda.

Here is what I am perplexed about. If it was a corporate building, where execs, sales, marketing, etc were located, would I really want Fox News on my TVs? Sure, as a business man, my interests probably lie in the conservative so i can avoid taxes like it was my job, but that doesn't mean I would believe any of the dogshiat on Fox. And if I was the CEO of the company (maybe I'm thinking too blue chip), would I want clients or associates seeing that dreck and thinking I or my company are a bunch of country bumpkins?

I guess if it's just a building where are the plebes work, that makes sense.


No, it's engineers and such. It's a military contracting outfit in Alabama, they think it is all patriotic and stuff. Everyone either lives in the echo chamber or keeps their mouths shut in order not to ruin their careers.
 
x23
2012-12-12 08:37:46 AM  

coeyagi: Here is what I am perplexed about. If it was a corporate building, where execs, sales, marketing, etc were located, would I really want Fox News on my TVs?


the main reason a lot of places do it is because Fox News addicts go absolutely apoplectic when Fox News isn't being shown on a public TV. they either constantly make snide comments about the "libs" to see if anyone around agrees or will eventually go and complain until Fox News is being shown.

this is mainly for when CNN / HLN / whatever is being shown. but even if there is a completely generic channel like any broadcast network or Discovery or something... then it is complaining about not being able to stay informed with Fox News and how everyone else is missing out on information and knowledge because they are watching "Let's Make A Deal" vs. some idiot on Fox blathering nonsensically.

i have seen both instances in person several times.

in my case... if i see something on a TV i disagree with or find boring... i just ignore it and do something else. i don't feel the need to make a scene because i'm not a big whiny baby who needs his "fix".
 
2012-12-12 09:03:13 AM  

RexTalionis: Conservative Media Are Is Not the Problem

Someone should get this man a grammar checker.


Not sure if serious...
 
2012-12-12 03:53:18 PM  

easypray: they must be bias


Where did people learn this? Who taught you the word Bias?

You can be *biased* or you can *have a* bias. But you can't "Be Bias".

/Not just picking you specifically, but god damn if that doesn't annoy me for some reason
//like when people say "that needs fixed" or "that needs updated"
 
2012-12-12 03:55:21 PM  

BeesNuts: easypray: they must be bias

Where did people learn this? Who taught you the word Bias?

You can be *biased* or you can *have a* bias. But you can't "Be Bias".

/Not just picking you specifically, but god damn if that doesn't annoy me for some reason
//like when people say "that needs fixed" or "that needs updated"


Someone would like a word with you.

upload.wikimedia.org


/But he can't.
//He's dead.
///Jim
 
2012-12-12 03:57:14 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: BeesNuts: easypray: they must be bias

Where did people learn this? Who taught you the word Bias?

You can be *biased* or you can *have a* bias. But you can't "Be Bias".

/Not just picking you specifically, but god damn if that doesn't annoy me for some reason
//like when people say "that needs fixed" or "that needs updated"

Someone would like a word with you.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 195x262]


/But he can't.
//He's dead.
///Jim


As soon as I re-read my post, I thought of that and was all "I wonder if anyone will ... " *refresh*.

+1 to you sir, for your astounding representation of The Internet today.
 
2012-12-12 03:59:14 PM  

BeesNuts: +1 to you sir, for your astounding representation of The Internet today.


Happy to be of service.
 
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