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(Jacksonville Observer)   State officials open hunting season in region overrun with invasive predators. Given the state, expect Darwin to win either way   (jaxobserver.com) divider line 52
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2012-12-11 09:05:40 AM
There's a hunting season for Pythons in Florida? Why? They're an invasive species. People should just be allowed to kill them whenever.

(reads article)

Oh, it doesn't say anything about a hunting season for pythons. Bad subby!
 
2012-12-11 09:48:36 AM
www.jaxobserver.com

Indeed.
 
2012-12-11 09:48:59 AM
www.causticsodapodcast.com
I have been training for this !
 
2012-12-11 09:49:39 AM
Woo hoo! Where's my big orange cowboy hat and airhorn?!

s11.postimage.org
 
2012-12-11 09:49:46 AM
Python Challenge ... IN MY PANTS!



/HAHA!
 
2012-12-11 09:53:20 AM
Running around the swap... miles from any help... insects thick as fog... digging giant snakes out of the mud and weeds.. nah I'm good.
 
2012-12-11 09:57:20 AM
OK, this is actually kind of smart. It's like a bounty, but one that is self-funding (you have to pay $25 to participate), and it's actually a contest to see who gets the most and the longest Myanmarese pythons.

Personally, if Florida was serious about it, they should set up a real bounty system: Pay something like $25 per dead adult python, and $5 per dead immature python.
 
2012-12-11 09:57:36 AM
www.halfacow.com.au
 
2012-12-11 09:59:29 AM
A riff on an old Fark headline (not mine, sadly) might become appropriate:

/usr/bin/python -c "import human"
 
2012-12-11 09:59:49 AM

dittybopper: OK, this is actually kind of smart. It's like a bounty, but one that is self-funding (you have to pay $25 to participate), and it's actually a contest to see who gets the most and the longest Myanmarese pythons.

Personally, if Florida was serious about it, they should set up a real bounty system: Pay something like $25 per dead adult python, and $5 per dead immature python.


I'm finding it difficult to believe that hunting these bad boys isn't extremely popular. Can you imagine the 'manly' factor of having a stuffed huge python coiled up around a small tree as a trophy in your trophy room? Maybe have the taxidermist have the snake with his mouth open, as if it's about to strike.
 
ows
2012-12-11 10:00:05 AM
gentlemen, start your whacking.
 
2012-12-11 10:00:08 AM

dittybopper: OK, this is actually kind of smart. It's like a bounty, but one that is self-funding (you have to pay $25 to participate), and it's actually a contest to see who gets the most and the longest Myanmarese pythons.

Personally, if Florida was serious about it, they should set up a real bounty system: Pay something like $25 per dead adult python, and $5 per dead immature python.


Except then you may end up with the Cobra Effect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_effect
 
2012-12-11 10:04:14 AM
damn, I knew it was going to be Pythons... But man, I wanted it to be hog hunting. Got me a new bow and I want some fresh bacon.
 
2012-12-11 10:05:07 AM

Cythraul: There's a hunting season for Pythons in Florida? Why? They're an invasive species. People should just be allowed to kill them whenever.

(reads article)

Oh, it doesn't say anything about a hunting season for pythons. Bad subby!


Tell that to the California Dept. of Fish and Game, which has set up seasons and bag limits for turkeys and feral pigs. Both of these are nonnative agricultural pest species, and also damaging to native flora, some of which is endangered.
 
2012-12-11 10:05:51 AM

ows: gentlemen, start your whacking.


I'm on it.
 
2012-12-11 10:06:07 AM

yves0010: damn, I knew it was going to be Pythons... But man, I wanted it to be hog hunting. Got me a new bow and I want some fresh bacon.


Hogs are legal in Fl. year 'round on private property... on WMAs, etc. then during regular hunting seasons.
 
2012-12-11 10:06:10 AM

forgotmydamnusername: Cythraul: There's a hunting season for Pythons in Florida? Why? They're an invasive species. People should just be allowed to kill them whenever.

(reads article)

Oh, it doesn't say anything about a hunting season for pythons. Bad subby!

Tell that to the California Dept. of Fish and Game, which has set up seasons and bag limits for turkeys and feral pigs. Both of these are nonnative agricultural pest species, and also damaging to native flora, some of which is endangered.


Yeah, that doesn't make any sense to me. What is their reasoning for this?
 
2012-12-11 10:07:02 AM
A professional snake removal expert is required.
img844.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-11 10:12:20 AM

i.r.id10t: yves0010: damn, I knew it was going to be Pythons... But man, I wanted it to be hog hunting. Got me a new bow and I want some fresh bacon.

Hogs are legal in Fl. year 'round on private property... on WMAs, etc. then during regular hunting seasons.


See, Did not know that. Am still shaky on a lot of the laws regarding hunting. Rather error on the side of caution then make an out right mistake. Now I just need my neighbor to get his bow and I got a hunting buddy.
 
2012-12-11 10:13:30 AM
If I were going to kill a Burmese Python I would strangle it, just so it knew what a shiatty way that was to go out.  Then I would swallow it whole.  Then I would post the footage on Youtube.  Then I would become a meme.  Then I would use the footage to get work in the adult industry.  Ka-ching!
 
2012-12-11 10:19:00 AM

yves0010: See, Did not know that. Am still shaky on a lot of the laws regarding hunting. Rather error on the side of caution then make an out right mistake. Now I just need my neighbor to get his bow and I got a hunting buddy.


The web is your friend. Missouri's Department of Conservation page is all kinds of awesome for hunting, fishing, and parks. The Florida Fish and Wildlife
Conservation Commission
page (MyFWC.com) looks pretty well laid-out, too.
 
2012-12-11 10:20:45 AM

stevarooni: yves0010: See, Did not know that. Am still shaky on a lot of the laws regarding hunting. Rather error on the side of caution then make an out right mistake. Now I just need my neighbor to get his bow and I got a hunting buddy.

The web is your friend. Missouri's Department of Conservation page is all kinds of awesome for hunting, fishing, and parks. The Florida Fish and Wildlife
Conservation Commission page (MyFWC.com) looks pretty well laid-out, too.


Half the time I google.. I get nothing but crap and contradictions. Usually I ask people that should know like people in hunting departments and actual hunters. And thank you for the link. Am checking it now too.
 
2012-12-11 10:23:13 AM

cgraves67: dittybopper: OK, this is actually kind of smart. It's like a bounty, but one that is self-funding (you have to pay $25 to participate), and it's actually a contest to see who gets the most and the longest Myanmarese pythons.

Personally, if Florida was serious about it, they should set up a real bounty system: Pay something like $25 per dead adult python, and $5 per dead immature python.

Except then you may end up with the Cobra Effect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_effect


Except it's very difficult and expensive to breed pythons. They're worth more alive to the pet industry.
 
2012-12-11 10:26:32 AM

mortimer_ford: Except it's very difficult and expensive to breed pythons. They're worth more alive to the pet industry.


How big's the black market in Pythons? 'Cause it's a federal crime to sell 'em in the U.S.
 
2012-12-11 10:27:30 AM
Is python meat edible and tasty?

Build a market for it, and they'll get hunted to extinction, then farmed.
 
2012-12-11 10:29:06 AM

Cythraul: dittybopper: OK, this is actually kind of smart. It's like a bounty, but one that is self-funding (you have to pay $25 to participate), and it's actually a contest to see who gets the most and the longest Myanmarese pythons.

Personally, if Florida was serious about it, they should set up a real bounty system: Pay something like $25 per dead adult python, and $5 per dead immature python.

I'm finding it difficult to believe that hunting these bad boys isn't extremely popular. Can you imagine the 'manly' factor of having a stuffed huge python coiled up around a small tree as a trophy in your trophy room? Maybe have the taxidermist have the snake with his mouth open, as if it's about to strike.


I'm surprised the clothing industry isn't driving more snake hunters. There is big money in snake skin.

Link

From the link:Inside the All American Alligator Products store in Hollywood is a pair of python-skin pants, priced at $800. A custom-made python-skin purse can be ordered for $1,200.
 
2012-12-11 10:30:23 AM

Fubegra: /usr/bin/python -c "import human"


i.dailymail.co.uk

/if he swallowed his own tail he'd be a while loop
 
2012-12-11 10:30:40 AM

brap: If I were going to kill a Burmese Python I would strangle it, just so it knew what a shiatty way that was to go out.  Then I would swallow it whole.  Then I would post the footage on Youtube.  Then I would become a meme.  Then I would use the footage to get work in the adult industry.  Ka-ching!


You know how I can tell you don't live in FLA? Your answer did not include some giant shotgun or explosives.
 
2012-12-11 10:33:30 AM
I got a big, fat python that Flordians can hunt RIGHT HERE....
 
2012-12-11 10:34:50 AM

monoski: brap: If I were going to kill a Burmese Python I would strangle it, just so it knew what a shiatty way that was to go out.  Then I would swallow it whole.  Then I would post the footage on Youtube.  Then I would become a meme.  Then I would use the footage to get work in the adult industry.  Ka-ching!

You know how I can tell you don't live in FLA? Your answer did not include some giant shotgun or explosives.


Hey, some of us Floridians don't use shotguns and explosions. I like to use knives and bow... and a scoped rifle. Father and godfather are favoring their ARs.
 
2012-12-11 10:40:30 AM
"The Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission's 2013 Python Challenge™ invites the public to register for and compete in a month-long harvest of Burmese pythons."
-=-
And then were going to have one hell of a bar-b-que!
 
2012-12-11 10:42:05 AM
Must use one of these:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-11 10:45:59 AM

SpectroBoy: [www.causticsodapodcast.com image 455x348]
I have been training for this !



Less than a minute apart! (shakes fist)
 
2012-12-11 10:51:12 AM

The Smails Kid: Must use one of these:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x324]


Does the Florida Wildlife Commission increase the award for irony?
 
2012-12-11 10:54:21 AM

yves0010: See, Did not know that. Am still shaky on a lot of the laws regarding hunting. Rather error on the side of caution then make an out right mistake. Now I just need my neighbor to get his bow and I got a hunting buddy.


I applaud your desire to 'do the right thing' but I'm pretty sure the Florida Fish and Wildlife
Conservation Commission goes way out of the way to get the regulations into the hands of people out in the wild.
 
2012-12-11 10:58:09 AM

dofus: yves0010: See, Did not know that. Am still shaky on a lot of the laws regarding hunting. Rather error on the side of caution then make an out right mistake. Now I just need my neighbor to get his bow and I got a hunting buddy.

I applaud your desire to 'do the right thing' but I'm pretty sure the Florida Fish and Wildlife
Conservation Commission goes way out of the way to get the regulations into the hands of people out in the wild.


It is not that they do not. It is usually my luck that I do something wrong. I trust the info is usually in plain sight but I know I will miss it easily half the time.
 
2012-12-11 10:58:28 AM
And the Feds are worried about cats?Link
 
2012-12-11 10:58:34 AM
I know that this is a 3-peat, but no Hulk Hogan or Full Metal Jacket reference's yet?
 
2012-12-11 11:00:29 AM

yves0010: i.r.id10t: yves0010: damn, I knew it was going to be Pythons... But man, I wanted it to be hog hunting. Got me a new bow and I want some fresh bacon.

Hogs are legal in Fl. year 'round on private property... on WMAs, etc. then during regular hunting seasons.

See, Did not know that. Am still shaky on a lot of the laws regarding hunting. Rather error on the side of caution then make an out right mistake. Now I just need my neighbor to get his bow and I got a hunting buddy.



As a Michigan hot hunter, I'd suggest reaching out to some local farmers. We have a system set up where when the farmers email or call us when they have a hog problem. We already have permission to hunt on their land, we know where we shouldn't walk, etc. This weekend I'm going up to a cluster of four farms that have a hog problem and we have permission from all four owners to walk their land and hunt. It's made it so I'm waist deep in dead hog some months.

/my dogs love it as this gets them extra meat
//a pair of malamutes, mastiff-rottweiler mix, and a dutch shepherd will make short work of a hog worth of meat
 
2012-12-11 11:03:55 AM
...don't all the nuts roll downhill to Florida...
 
2012-12-11 11:06:14 AM

ha-ha-guy: yves0010: i.r.id10t: yves0010: damn, I knew it was going to be Pythons... But man, I wanted it to be hog hunting. Got me a new bow and I want some fresh bacon.

Hogs are legal in Fl. year 'round on private property... on WMAs, etc. then during regular hunting seasons.

See, Did not know that. Am still shaky on a lot of the laws regarding hunting. Rather error on the side of caution then make an out right mistake. Now I just need my neighbor to get his bow and I got a hunting buddy.


As a Michigan hot hunter, I'd suggest reaching out to some local farmers. We have a system set up where when the farmers email or call us when they have a hog problem. We already have permission to hunt on their land, we know where we shouldn't walk, etc. This weekend I'm going up to a cluster of four farms that have a hog problem and we have permission from all four owners to walk their land and hunt. It's made it so I'm waist deep in dead hog some months.

/my dogs love it as this gets them extra meat
//a pair of malamutes, mastiff-rottweiler mix, and a dutch shepherd will make short work of a hog worth of meat


My neighbor has private land up in Northern Florida and he showed interest in going bow hunting. So I am set on that aspect. But sadly, thanks to the freakin local government, farm land is almost nonexistent in my neck of the woods. Only good spot is the Everglades or other County / national parks.
 
2012-12-11 11:11:24 AM

Cythraul: dittybopper: OK, this is actually kind of smart. It's like a bounty, but one that is self-funding (you have to pay $25 to participate), and it's actually a contest to see who gets the most and the longest Myanmarese pythons.

Personally, if Florida was serious about it, they should set up a real bounty system: Pay something like $25 per dead adult python, and $5 per dead immature python.

I'm finding it difficult to believe that hunting these bad boys isn't extremely popular. Can you imagine the 'manly' factor of having a stuffed huge python coiled up around a small tree as a trophy in your trophy room? Maybe have the taxidermist have the snake with his mouth open, as if it's about to strike.


I was on a camping trip this weekend with the guys. One of them works for the federal park service in south Florida and is an avid hunter and fisher, the sort that is out in the woods or I the water every weekend. We had a long talk about the python challenge.

It was his opinion - and he's an outdoors guru - that few snakes will be caught by hunters, relative to the total population of pythons. You're talking about an animal that is virtually silent, leaves little sign in the area that it lives, and that can stay underwater for 30+ minutes at a time. Not to mention the fact that they are virtually invisible in the wild. And produce up to 80 offspring at a time.

Another fun fact I learned from him: you can't eat python meat, at least not in Florida, because it contains an enormous amount of mercury. By enormous, I mean "make yourself retarded" levels of mercury.

/the more you know
 
2012-12-11 11:11:40 AM

honk: Is python meat edible and tasty?

Build a market for it, and they'll get hunted to extinction, then farmed.


The apex predators in the Everglades (which is what these pythons are) have 3-4 times the amount of mercury in them than what is considered "safe if you only eat it once a month or less" in ocean caught/farmed/raised fish species.
 
2012-12-11 11:13:41 AM

yves0010: ha-ha-guy: yves0010: i.r.id10t: yves0010: damn, I knew it was going to be Pythons... But man, I wanted it to be hog hunting. Got me a new bow and I want some fresh bacon.

Hogs are legal in Fl. year 'round on private property... on WMAs, etc. then during regular hunting seasons.

See, Did not know that. Am still shaky on a lot of the laws regarding hunting. Rather error on the side of caution then make an out right mistake. Now I just need my neighbor to get his bow and I got a hunting buddy.


As a Michigan hot hunter, I'd suggest reaching out to some local farmers. We have a system set up where when the farmers email or call us when they have a hog problem. We already have permission to hunt on their land, we know where we shouldn't walk, etc. This weekend I'm going up to a cluster of four farms that have a hog problem and we have permission from all four owners to walk their land and hunt. It's made it so I'm waist deep in dead hog some months.

/my dogs love it as this gets them extra meat
//a pair of malamutes, mastiff-rottweiler mix, and a dutch shepherd will make short work of a hog worth of meat

My neighbor has private land up in Northern Florida and he showed interest in going bow hunting. So I am set on that aspect. But sadly, thanks to the freakin local government, farm land is almost nonexistent in my neck of the woods. Only good spot is the Everglades or other County / national parks.


Where in N Florida? I'm in the Gainesville area, and I'm looking for private property to do some squirrel hunting on...
 
2012-12-11 11:20:12 AM

i.r.id10t: honk: Is python meat edible and tasty?

Build a market for it, and they'll get hunted to extinction, then farmed.

The apex predators in the Everglades (which is what these pythons are) have 3-4 times the amount of mercury in them than what is considered "safe if you only eat it once a month or less" in ocean caught/farmed/raised fish species.


We need to get snakeskin back in fashion so you can make say 15-25 dollars or so for a good skin. That would get all the teenagers out hunting these suckers to extinction.
 
2012-12-11 11:21:35 AM

i.r.id10t: yves0010: ha-ha-guy: yves0010: i.r.id10t: yves0010: damn, I knew it was going to be Pythons... But man, I wanted it to be hog hunting. Got me a new bow and I want some fresh bacon.

Hogs are legal in Fl. year 'round on private property... on WMAs, etc. then during regular hunting seasons.

See, Did not know that. Am still shaky on a lot of the laws regarding hunting. Rather error on the side of caution then make an out right mistake. Now I just need my neighbor to get his bow and I got a hunting buddy.


As a Michigan hot hunter, I'd suggest reaching out to some local farmers. We have a system set up where when the farmers email or call us when they have a hog problem. We already have permission to hunt on their land, we know where we shouldn't walk, etc. This weekend I'm going up to a cluster of four farms that have a hog problem and we have permission from all four owners to walk their land and hunt. It's made it so I'm waist deep in dead hog some months.

/my dogs love it as this gets them extra meat
//a pair of malamutes, mastiff-rottweiler mix, and a dutch shepherd will make short work of a hog worth of meat

My neighbor has private land up in Northern Florida and he showed interest in going bow hunting. So I am set on that aspect. But sadly, thanks to the freakin local government, farm land is almost nonexistent in my neck of the woods. Only good spot is the Everglades or other County / national parks.

Where in N Florida? I'm in the Gainesville area, and I'm looking for private property to do some squirrel hunting on...


I do not know off the top of my head. He mentioned it to me when we were talking about hunting. I do not think that far north.
 
2012-12-11 11:35:25 AM

Elegy: Cythraul: dittybopper: OK, this is actually kind of smart. It's like a bounty, but one that is self-funding (you have to pay $25 to participate), and it's actually a contest to see who gets the most and the longest Myanmarese pythons.

Personally, if Florida was serious about it, they should set up a real bounty system: Pay something like $25 per dead adult python, and $5 per dead immature python.

I'm finding it difficult to believe that hunting these bad boys isn't extremely popular. Can you imagine the 'manly' factor of having a stuffed huge python coiled up around a small tree as a trophy in your trophy room? Maybe have the taxidermist have the snake with his mouth open, as if it's about to strike.

I was on a camping trip this weekend with the guys. One of them works for the federal park service in south Florida and is an avid hunter and fisher, the sort that is out in the woods or I the water every weekend. We had a long talk about the python challenge.

It was his opinion - and he's an outdoors guru - that few snakes will be caught by hunters, relative to the total population of pythons. You're talking about an animal that is virtually silent, leaves little sign in the area that it lives, and that can stay underwater for 30+ minutes at a time. Not to mention the fact that they are virtually invisible in the wild. And produce up to 80 offspring at a time.


I guess that means that hunting them to complete eliminating in Florida would be near impossible. But that description also makes them sound like the badasses of the animal world, which would make them totally awesome to try and hunt.
 
2012-12-11 12:04:21 PM

Elegy: Cythraul: I guess that means that hunting them to complete eliminating in Florida would be near impossible. But that description also makes them sound like the badasses of the animal world, which would make them totally awesome to try and hunt.

To some degree. My buddy also pointed out that most of the snakes taken in the hunt will be taken by people waiting for a cold day, and then riding up and down the canals and edge areas looking for snakes sunning themselves on the banks and out in the open. So its not entirely hopeless. I'll add that while this will help with local problems - lots of snakes near a particular neighborhood, for example - but will do little for the vast reservoir of breeding adults that are in the Everglades. I've also heard that there have been people training dogs to hunt pythons, but again, you're talking about an animal that can spend long periods of time underwater. And there is a lot of water in South Florida to hide in

So no, I don't think the population of snakes will ever be eliminated in south Florida. They're pretty much here to stay, and they have the potential to cause massive ecological damage - I remember reading that small game numbers have plummeted in the most infested areas.


All because some very ignorant people who wanted exotic pets decided to be 'kind' by releasing them in an alien, but advantageous environment.
 
2012-12-11 12:25:19 PM

cgraves67: dittybopper: OK, this is actually kind of smart. It's like a bounty, but one that is self-funding (you have to pay $25 to participate), and it's actually a contest to see who gets the most and the longest Myanmarese pythons.

Personally, if Florida was serious about it, they should set up a real bounty system: Pay something like $25 per dead adult python, and $5 per dead immature python.

Except then you may end up with the Cobra Effect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_effect


Not really, for a couple of reasons. There is a legitimate market for pet Burmese pythons. A quick google shows they go for well over $100. Set the bounty for, say, $25, or less. No one in their right mind is going to try and raise pythons to collect a bounty when they could get more for them by selling them as pets.

Also, you make the bounty for an adult snake more than the cost of raising that snake to adulthood. If it takes $50 worth of rats to raise a python to adult size and the bounty for an adult snake is $25, no one is going to do it.

The problem with the British program is that they didn't adjust the bounty to the "sweet spot" where it was worth it to hunt down the wild snakes, but economically unattractive to raise them domestically for the bounty. In other words, instead of completely getting rid of the bounty program, they should have reduced the amount paid per dead snake to below the cost of raising them.

You could do this with Burmese pythons very easily: They grow to a large size relatively quickly, so you can say "Any Burmese python over 6' in length gets a bounty of $25, those below that size get $5". That way you still pay for the 'babies', but it's still not economically viable to raise them.
 
2012-12-11 12:57:09 PM

sammyk: I'm surprised the clothing industry isn't driving more snake hunters. There is big money in snake skin.

Link

From the link:Inside the All American Alligator Products store in Hollywood is a pair of python-skin pants, priced at $800. A custom-made python-skin purse can be ordered for $1,200.


That's how much the finished product costs. They probably don't pay all that much for the skins.
 
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