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2012-12-11 08:24:31 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: I don't know how to break this to you... but I see quite a bit more Pagan decoration during Christmas than Christian... how come no Atheists attack those displays and demand the removal (from public lands) displays of Christmas trees, Santa, or other Pagan symbols... how come only Christians get the hate? Seems to me, you should attack the largest market - Pagan symbols.


How many actual Pagans do you see around these days? Do you believe that everyone that puts up a Christmas tree is truly Pagan? People aren't attacking it, because most people don't even realize that it's based on Pagan traditions! And, those that do, realize it's been co-opted and no longer has anything to do with its roots... Christmas trees, Santa, Yule logs, etc. are all completely secular these days... Nativity scenes, not so much... (Not that anyone should still have a problem with their display, either...)
 
2012-12-11 08:25:10 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: but I see quite a bit more Pagan decoration during Christmas than Christian


Because Christians co-opted those symbols and made them their own, perhaps?

It was a valid conversion strategy for the last thousand years or so you know...
 
2012-12-11 08:25:27 AM

RobSeace: HindiDiscoMonster: I don't know how to break this to you... but I see quite a bit more Pagan decoration during Christmas than Christian... how come no Atheists attack those displays and demand the removal (from public lands) displays of Christmas trees, Santa, or other Pagan symbols... how come only Christians get the hate? Seems to me, you should attack the largest market - Pagan symbols.

How many actual Pagans do you see around these days? Do you believe that everyone that puts up a Christmas tree is truly Pagan? People aren't attacking it, because most people don't even realize that it's based on Pagan traditions! And, those that do, realize it's been co-opted and no longer has anything to do with its roots... Christmas trees, Santa, Yule logs, etc. are all completely secular these days... Nativity scenes, not so much... (Not that anyone should still have a problem with their display, either...)


pagan is part of our history. why do you hate history so much
 
2012-12-11 08:26:55 AM

Chariset: Theologian here. Want my take on the War on Christmas?

It's the panicked, flailing reaction of the Religious Right to the sudden realization that the US is celebrating a completely secular holiday in December -- one which could go by Christmas or "the holidays" or Snowflake Day or whatever. They had liked to believe that the country went insane as a sign of religious devotion. Now they see that what is celebrated as Christmas by most of the country is not the same holiday as the Christian Christmas.

Think of it like a child born on the 4th of July. Think of the tantrum he might throw the first time he realizes that the parade and the fireworks aren't for him. "No! They're doing it for ME because it's MY BIRTHDAY!" It's like that, only with more airtime.


Another theologian here, saying, "THIS!" You nailed it, Chariset.
 
2012-12-11 08:27:27 AM
I love it how worked up people get. When I was in college I worked for a cell phone company who had no stated policy about saying 'happy holidays' or 'merry christmas' or whatever. I'm an atheist but I usually alternated between both just for the sake of a little variety in a heavily scripted workday. One woman became irate after I had wished her 'happy holidays' and started to rant at me about 'jaysus'. She threatened to cancel her contract because the phone jockey (me) hadn't used the words christmas.

I lost my temper with her and told her that I have been using both terms all day but now thanks to her I'll be switching to happy holidays exclusively and then I hung up on her. Then I had to deal with a pissed off supervisor and all kinds of additional stress during finals, and the holidays. Way to go Jesus lady, you sure acted well in his name.
 
2012-12-11 08:28:04 AM

Cythraul: [s3.amazonaws.com image 324x269]


I love this image - Jesus suddenly realizes this "dying for other's sins" thing is totally lame, rips apart the puny girly-man wooden cross and goes home.
 
2012-12-11 08:28:55 AM
I'm an atheist, and I don't really care, but I would agree that there is a lot of "don't say Christmas cause everybody's not Christian so just call it "holiday" " bullshiat.

Santa's not real either, but I don't mind telling kids about him.
 
2012-12-11 08:29:09 AM

Egoy3k: I love it how worked up people get. When I was in college I worked for a cell phone company who had no stated policy about saying 'happy holidays' or 'merry christmas' or whatever. I'm an atheist but I usually alternated between both just for the sake of a little variety in a heavily scripted workday. One woman became irate after I had wished her 'happy holidays' and started to rant at me about 'jaysus'. She threatened to cancel her contract because the phone jockey (me) hadn't used the words christmas.

I lost my temper with her and told her that I have been using both terms all day but now thanks to her I'll be switching to happy holidays exclusively and then I hung up on her. Then I had to deal with a pissed off supervisor and all kinds of additional stress during finals, and the holidays. Way to go Jesus lady, you sure acted well in his name.


maybe she was a secret Jew
 
2012-12-11 08:29:41 AM

neongoats: Stop poisoning humanity with the taint of your horrible chalcolithic sky shamanism.


i28.photobucket.com

Huh huh huh!
 
2012-12-11 08:30:00 AM

RobSeace: Nativity scenes, not so much... (Not that anyone should still have a problem with their display, either...)


I have a problem with them simply because they endorse superstitious thought which is nothing but counterproductive. Celebrate the return of light anbd all things green all you want (because let's face it, nobody gets excited about being in darkness for 14 hours out of the day), but drop the farcical magical nonsense; we'll all be better for it.
 
2012-12-11 08:30:38 AM

StrangeQ: Mose: Jorn the Younger: Nick Nostril: Jorn the Younger:

/If you have to add cool whip to distract from the flavor of your pumpkin pie, you're eating bad pie

It's all we can afford, so you can have my Cool hWhip when you pry it from my cold, dead, fat fingers.

If you can only afford bad tasting pie, why not make the pie instead? A small pumpkin hardly costs anything, and a decent vanilla ice cream only a few bucks (for in the pie, not on the pie), and pre-made pie crusts are like 2 for $1.50. There's a bit of seasonings and spices in it, sure, but I'd have to ask my lady what they are, as she does the actual making of the pie

Molasses is key. Only need a little if your squash of choice is naturally sweet. I usually make mine from my garden butternut squash.

Molasses...never tried that. The only thing I know about it was that I bought it on accident once and found out that it is, in fact, not the same thing as maple syrup.


It's sugar cane syrup, basically. It's what makes brown sugar brown. It's very good. A lot of people sweeten boiled or roasted/baked squash with brown sugar. I cut out the middle man and skip right to molasses.

Maple syrup works well too, but it usually has more water in it than molasses so you have to account for that. If you live near a sugaring operation though, you might be able to find maple sugar. That's the crystalized stuff that builds up on the inside of the evaporator. That stuff is awesome.
 
2012-12-11 08:30:41 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: it's a Christmas tree, meaning gay. happy gaylidays!!


did any "xians" take the bait yet?

this should get them going:

doyner: Since that's exactly what Jesus would do then it's good advice.


skepticfreethought.com

trolololololol

/i trol u
 
2012-12-11 08:30:51 AM
Deck the halls
 
2012-12-11 08:33:25 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Deck the halls


with bells of meth
 
2012-12-11 08:33:49 AM
If some jebus kook who doesn't really believe in peace on earth and good will toward men takes a poke at me, he will leave the scene in an ambulance or a hearse. I won't settle for just getting even.
 
2012-12-11 08:35:46 AM
What? It's Christmas? I love in Phoenix, so who the fark can tell. whoopdee
 
2012-12-11 08:36:08 AM
The pope says Jesus wasn't born on Dec. 25th, so WTF?
 
2012-12-11 08:36:09 AM
When I was a kid, I was taught that 'Happy Holidays' was short for, 'Happy Thanksgiving, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.'

I really for the life of me figure out how this could offend anyone.
 
2012-12-11 08:36:20 AM

RobSeace: and the atheists put one up as well


what did you have in mind?
 
2012-12-11 08:36:39 AM
Christian America taught me that pre-emptive strikes are legal, so I'm off to punch a Christian in the mouth.
 
2012-12-11 08:36:44 AM
I love Christmas... I also don't believe in any gods or supernatural beings.

I've been known to attend midnight mass and everything (I like the singing and organ in my parish church).

As far as religious displays on public land, it doesn't really bother me, but If a group of citizens are offended by it, then the space should be open to ALL religious displays or no religious displays. Realistically speaking, it just makes more sense to only have secular displays on public land. Less hassles like this nonsense.

Churches, Synagogs, and private citizens are free to put up all the religious displays on their property they want last I checked. No reason to use public land at all.
 
2012-12-11 08:37:33 AM
Also, the funniest part of the story for me was him using "humanist" as a pejorative. Yeah, those wicked humanists... history's greatest monsters.
 
2012-12-11 08:38:27 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Deck the halls

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2012-12-11 08:38:35 AM

Relatively Obscure: GAT_00: I'm still trying to decide which login you were using before the election. Never saw you post before two weeks or so ago, and a whole bunch haven't showed since November 6th.

He was around before the election. I couldn't say what the frequency was.


Wow, some of you idiots actually try to track the "opposition" here?

You must be that little Spanish college brat I taught a lesson to all those years ago. You've been chasing these people your whole life only to have them change their user name? I think that's about the worst thing I've ever heard.
[pause]
How marvelous.
 
2012-12-11 08:38:38 AM

grokca: Christian America taught me that pre-emptive strikes are legal, so I'm off to punch a Christian in the mouth.


how does the brimstone and fire feel
 
2012-12-11 08:39:16 AM
FTA: If a bully keeps getting his way and intimidating kids on the playground and nobody stands up for themselves then the bully is encouraged and emboldened and continues to bully more and more people.

You're right buddy. This is exactly how the religionists got to where they are today.
 
2012-12-11 08:39:37 AM

Relatively Obscure: GAT_00: I'm still trying to decide which login you were using before the election. Never saw you post before two weeks or so ago, and a whole bunch haven't showed since November 6th.

He was around before the election. I couldn't say what the frequency was.


You should ask Kenneth.
 
2012-12-11 08:41:15 AM
Not my pic, but they started putting this shiat up the week before Halloween in my neighborhood.

i13.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-11 08:42:08 AM

StrangeQ: I have a problem with them simply because they endorse superstitious thought which is nothing but counterproductive. Celebrate the return of light anbd all things green all you want (because let's face it, nobody gets excited about being in darkness for 14 hours out of the day), but drop the farcical magical nonsense; we'll all be better for it.


I agree with your sentiment in spirit, but disagree with the idea of shutting down such displays for the same reason I would disagree with shutting down a display from anyone I might disagree with... Let them have their nativity scenes; it does me no harm... I don't agree with all the beliefs and sentiments behind them, but so what? They have a right to display them... And, as much as I'd love it if everyone became rational and dropped all religion, I'm not delusional enough to think it's ever going to happen in my lifetime, if ever... So, until then, we all have to live together on this rock and get along with each other...
 
2012-12-11 08:42:27 AM

Mike_LowELL: Barack Obama Locked a Kitten in One Of Those Plastic Rolly Balls For Hamsters And Rolled It Down a Hill: The Shocking Facts


You owe me a new keyboard and two new monitors, you magnificent bastard.
 
2012-12-11 08:42:40 AM

Relatively Obscure: Meh. He was just saying that he thinks we atheists are all being big meanie-heads and we should be stood up to. I don't really believe he meant "literally punch them in the mouth." I do believe he's kind of an idiot, though.


Mature sensibilities and common sense- the world needs more folks like you :)
 
2012-12-11 08:46:07 AM

Jorn the Younger:
/If you have to add cool whip to distract from the flavor of your pumpkin pie, you're eating bad pie


If you think cool whip as a distraction, you don't understand good food.
 
2012-12-11 08:46:34 AM

Chariset: Theologian here. Want my take on the War on Christmas?

It's the panicked, flailing reaction of the Religious Right to the sudden realization that the US is celebrating a completely secular holiday in December -- one which could go by Christmas or "the holidays" or Snowflake Day or whatever. They had liked to believe that the country went insane as a sign of religious devotion. Now they see that what is celebrated as Christmas by most of the country is not the same holiday as the Christian Christmas.

Think of it like a child born on the 4th of July. Think of the tantrum he might throw the first time he realizes that the parade and the fireworks aren't for him. "No! They're doing it for ME because it's MY BIRTHDAY!" It's like that, only with more airtime.


Are you saying that the nation is in fact not celebrating my birthday on December 25?

/will be 35.
 
2012-12-11 08:47:52 AM
Church League Softball Fistfight?
 
2012-12-11 08:48:16 AM
I get very upset when I see a Frosty the Snowman wearing any kind of headgear besides a silk top hat. Outrageous displays like this should be banned! Or at least there should be a public haberdashery fund created to stop the madness.
 
2012-12-11 08:48:37 AM

cretinbob: The war on Xmas is all in some peoples tiny, deluded minds


i'm more concerned about the war on Christianity

and websites that create threads just to propagate bigoted hate speech
 
2012-12-11 08:49:09 AM

macdaddy357: If some jebus kook who doesn't really believe in peace on earth and good will toward men takes a poke at me, he will leave the scene in an ambulance or a hearse. I won't settle for just getting even.


wegotabadassoverhere.jpg
 
2012-12-11 08:49:52 AM

Thunderboy: Not my pic, but they started putting this shiat up the week before Halloween in my neighborhood.

[i13.photobucket.com image 693x482]


those bastards, have they no shame?
 
2012-12-11 08:49:54 AM

giftedmadness: it's so funny that you libs actually believe that conservatives are racist. It's amusing.


Oh, so it was Liberals who sold the "Don't Re-Nig in 2012" bumper stickers? It was Liberals who made the "Put the White Back in the White House" t-shirts? Now that's amusing.
 
2012-12-11 08:50:24 AM

I drunk what: RobSeace: and the atheists put one up as well

what did you have in mind?


I'm thinking a completely blank billboard would be appropriate...

No, I really have no idea... Personally, I have no problem with nativity scenes, and wouldn't feel compelled to offer any kind of counter to them... But, I was just saying that if an atheist were so offended by them as to want them removed, then instead they should put up some kind of counter-display alongside them... I have no idea what form that would take, exactly... Probably something like this:

www.theblaze.com

But, the point was that the answer to speech you disagree with should be more speech, not an attempt to silence the speech you disagree with...
 
2012-12-11 08:51:03 AM

AnyName: Wow, some of you idiots actually try to track the "opposition" here?


Some people try to track overt trolls. It saves you a lot of time from responding to them, since, you know, trolls. They're present here on Fark, so some people casually note them.

It's not as grandiose and stupid as you make it out to be, since I'm sure you'd agree that beating your head against a troll-wall won't get you anywhere.

Poe's Law being what it is, sometimes just loudmouths get caught in the crossfire.
 
2012-12-11 08:51:30 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: way south: Jon iz teh kewl: how do you know he wasn't born in winter?

and why can't you accept it??

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So far as I recall, its accepted by most churches that his exact birth date isn't known.
They moved the holidays around to adapt with the Pagan cultures they were trying to convert.

/Its why anyone that tries to predict age of the earth or specific dates from bible lore comes off as a flake.
/It was ancient oral history before it was transcribed dozens of times over.
/You don't get accuracy from that.

but doesn't it make SNESE to celebrate his holiday in the pagan season, as opposed to July. so there's 1 gift giving holiday each year instead of 2??

[selectstartgames.files.wordpress.com image 640x480]


I understand there were summer Christian observances, but You've got to view this through the eyes of an agrarian northern culture.

Fall festivals are for harvest, spring festivals are for planting, winter solstice marks the half way point through what was likely the most dangerous and dull season.
Summer is the good times. The highlight of prayer, contemplation, worry and god fearing-ness would be in mid winter.

People want hope on the winter solstice, which is what Christs birth represents.
If I was a preacher, it would be the perfect time for delivering that message.

/No one wants to hear sermons when things are good.
/But let some shiat happen and they stack up in the pews.
 
2012-12-11 08:52:18 AM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: At some point some of these wackjobs are going to start a mini-revolution and be smacked down in a military operation that's gonna fuel Military Channel specials for the next decade.


I never considered this. That would make for some good viewing, image quality is so much better these days.
 
2012-12-11 08:53:09 AM

liam76: If you think cool whip as a distraction, you don't understand good food.


Ugh. It takes about 12 minutes to whip up enough real whipped cream for several pies, and it's well worth the effort. It's criminal to put Cool Whip on a home baked pie, and real whipped cream can even elevate a store pie to a higher level.

Just what is Cool Whip, anyway?
 
2012-12-11 08:54:33 AM
What I want to know is, why isn't anyone getting all worked up over the war on Sol Invictus?

/Mithras is the reason for the season.
 
2012-12-11 08:54:44 AM

The Why Not Guy: giftedmadness: it's so funny that you libs actually believe that conservatives are racist. It's amusing.

Oh, so it was Liberals who sold the "Don't Re-Nig in 2012" bumper stickers? It was Liberals who made the "Put the White Back in the White House" t-shirts? Now that's amusing.


files.abovetopsecret.com
25.media.tumblr.com
www.thestolenolive.net

lulz republicans are the so racist, and since they are conservative that means they are afraid of homosexuals, but i repeat myself
 
2012-12-11 08:54:46 AM
Whom Would Jesus Punch?
 
2012-12-11 08:56:10 AM

RobSeace: Let them have their nativity scenes; it does me no harm


It does no harm to put these graven images on your own property or on the tax-free property of your local church.
There is no reason to put it on public land other than you wanting it to appear that the government endorses your superstitions.
 
2012-12-11 08:56:41 AM
Who Would Jesus Punch?

\probably the radio host
 
2012-12-11 08:57:27 AM
I could not care less if a Christian group puts up a nativity in a public space. No one should. But here's the thing I don't get. Christmas is actually supposed to be a somewhat sombre holiday in Christian tradition because it begins Jesus' trail and betrayal by Man. The most important and joyous of Christian holidays is Easter: the new covenant is fulfilled; Christ conquers the death and darkness of sin. But for most Christians, Easter is something of an afterthought holiday. They pay it some lip service, but that's about all. We don't often see them wanting to do passion plays and the Stations of the Cross in public spaces, on Good Friday and, when they do, the atheist thugs tend to ignore it.

Also strange about modern Christians is that Christmastide is supposed to be a 12 day celebration starting at sundown Christmas Eve and running until sundown of the Epiphany (January 6th). But for the vast majority of Christians in America, the holiday is over once the gifts are opened and they've stuffed there bellies. Attention then returns to football and after-Christmas sales. Eastertide, too is a multi-day celebration, commencing at sundown of the Saturday after Good Friday and ending on Pentecost Sunday, for a total of 50 days. The only evidence one will see of this is a white drape on a cross in front of a church (this is not a Christian tradition nor a liturgical practice, but dates back only about 30 years).
 
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