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2012-12-10 11:41:45 PM  
Since that's exactly what Jesus would do then it's good advice.
 
2012-12-10 11:47:47 PM  
The war on Xmas is all in some peoples tiny, deluded minds
 
2012-12-10 11:49:13 PM  
Meh. He was just saying that he thinks we atheists are all being big meanie-heads and we should be stood up to. I don't really believe he meant "literally punch them in the mouth." I do believe he's kind of an idiot, though.
 
2012-12-10 11:49:59 PM  
Theologian here. Want my take on the War on Christmas?

It's the panicked, flailing reaction of the Religious Right to the sudden realization that the US is celebrating a completely secular holiday in December -- one which could go by Christmas or "the holidays" or Snowflake Day or whatever. They had liked to believe that the country went insane as a sign of religious devotion. Now they see that what is celebrated as Christmas by most of the country is not the same holiday as the Christian Christmas.

Think of it like a child born on the 4th of July. Think of the tantrum he might throw the first time he realizes that the parade and the fireworks aren't for him. "No! They're doing it for ME because it's MY BIRTHDAY!" It's like that, only with more airtime.
 
2012-12-10 11:52:36 PM  
You first, badass.
 
2012-12-10 11:53:37 PM  
oh good. This won't end poorly.
 
2012-12-10 11:56:36 PM  
At some point some of these wackjobs are going to start a mini-revolution and be smacked down in a military operation that's gonna fuel Military Channel specials for the next decade.
 
2012-12-10 11:57:18 PM  

Relatively Obscure: I don't really believe he meant "literally punch them in the mouth."


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Let's hope we don't have to find out...again
 
2012-12-11 12:02:54 AM  

cretinbob: Relatively Obscure: I don't really believe he meant "literally punch them in the mouth."

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Let's hope we don't have to find out...again


zomgbullseyemap
 
2012-12-11 12:03:26 AM  
Hey, looks like we finally found someone engaged in an actual Christmas War.
 
2012-12-11 12:04:07 AM  
That led to a federal lawsuit and the United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit ruled earlier this year that Satawa could continue to display his creche.

Curious about that one. So they got their way and the nativity is allowed to remain yet they're STILL pissed? Talk about sore winners.

And as Jon Stewart said the other night (paraphrasing): "If there's a war on Christmas, Christmas is winning because it's started EATING OTHER HOLIDAYS."
 
2012-12-11 12:07:31 AM  
Those are the cries of a wounded, cornered and dying animal. The Scary Black Guy got re-elected, they lost the culture war and will be irrelevant in another generation.
 
2012-12-11 12:09:06 AM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: At some point some of these wackjobs are going to start a mini-revolution and be smacked down in a military operation that's gonna fuel Military Channel specials for the next decade.


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2012-12-11 12:11:11 AM  

L.D. Ablo: Those are the cries of a wounded, cornered and dying animal. The Scary Black Guy got re-elected, they lost the culture war and will be irrelevant in another generation.


it's so funny that you libs actually believe that conservatives are racist. It's amusing.
 
2012-12-11 12:18:50 AM  

giftedmadness: L.D. Ablo: Those are the cries of a wounded, cornered and dying animal. The Scary Black Guy got re-elected, they lost the culture war and will be irrelevant in another generation.

it's so funny that you libs actually believe that conservatives are racist. It's amusing.


I'm still trying to decide which login you were using before the election. Never saw you post before two weeks or so ago, and a whole bunch haven't showed since November 6th.
 
2012-12-11 12:20:05 AM  

giftedmadness: it's so funny that you libs actually believe that conservatives are racist. It's amusing.


Well, I guess you're right. Conservatives being racist isn't funny. More like sad.
 
2012-12-11 12:22:26 AM  

giftedmadness: L.D. Ablo: Those are the cries of a wounded, cornered and dying animal. The Scary Black Guy got re-elected, they lost the culture war and will be irrelevant in another generation.

it's so funny that you libs actually believe that conservatives are racist. It's amusing.


Is this the new Mike Lowell? At least Mike is humorous in his over the top rants full of stupid.
 
2012-12-11 12:23:51 AM  
"You know, what do you do with a bully?" he explained. "If a bully keeps getting his way and intimidating kids on the playground and nobody stands up for themselves then the bully is encouraged and emboldened and continues to bully more and more people.

The author is right. Atheists should stand up to people who demand that everyone else live their lives a certain way because "God said so". Every time the Christians win some kind of battle like transvaginal ultrasounds or what not, they become encouraged and emboldened and go for things like demanding Creationism be taught in science class.

I like this author. He makes pretty good points.
 
2012-12-11 12:24:21 AM  

GAT_00: I'm still trying to decide which login you were using before the election. Never saw you post before two weeks or so ago, and a whole bunch haven't showed since November 6th.


He was around before the election. I couldn't say what the frequency was.
 
2012-12-11 12:25:09 AM  
Guy wanting to impose his religion on others through their own government while saying people should be punched in the face for standing up for freedom of religion (FTFA): "You know, what do you do with a bully?" he explained. "If a bully keeps getting his way and intimidating kids on the playground and nobody stands up for themselves then the bully is encouraged and emboldened and continues to bully more and more people. But when a little kid is being bullied and he turns around and punches the bully in the mouth - metaphorically speaking, of course - then the bully is oftentimes proven to be a paper tiger."

Apparently, this guy wouldn't recognize himself in a mirror.
 
2012-12-11 12:25:37 AM  

clancifer: Is this the new Mike Lowell? At least Mike is humorous in his over the top rants full of stupid.


He wishes. Mike is always on the perfect side of Poe's Law. This guy just wants reactions, rather than to provide amusement.
 
2012-12-11 12:26:11 AM  

Relatively Obscure: GAT_00: I'm still trying to decide which login you were using before the election. Never saw you post before two weeks or so ago, and a whole bunch haven't showed since November 6th.

He was around before the election. I couldn't say what the frequency was.


Huh. Well, I hadn't noticed him.
 
2012-12-11 12:28:59 AM  

clancifer: giftedmadness: L.D. Ablo: Those are the cries of a wounded, cornered and dying animal. The Scary Black Guy got re-elected, they lost the culture war and will be irrelevant in another generation.

it's so funny that you libs actually believe that conservatives are racist. It's amusing.

Is this the new Mike Lowell? At least Mike is humorous in his over the top rants full of stupid.


Satirical, almost.

Huh.
 
2012-12-11 12:29:32 AM  

Relatively Obscure: I couldn't say what the frequency was.


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/approves
 
2012-12-11 12:30:43 AM  
I've never met an atheist who's been up in arms over "christmas".

Maybe a jehova's witness, but those guys don't even have birthdays of their own.
 
2012-12-11 12:31:11 AM  

GAT_00: Relatively Obscure: GAT_00: I'm still trying to decide which login you were using before the election. Never saw you post before two weeks or so ago, and a whole bunch haven't showed since November 6th.

He was around before the election. I couldn't say what the frequency was.

Huh. Well, I hadn't noticed him.


I think he has been far more active lately.
 
2012-12-11 12:39:02 AM  

Asa Phelps: I've never met an atheist who's been up in arms over "christmas".

Maybe a jehova's witness, but those guys don't even have birthdays of their own.


I'm an atheist, and I LOVE Christmas*. Family, gifts, vacation days from work, tons of great food, etc. Online shopping now removes the whole "braving retail stores during Christmas season" thing.

*With the possible exception of my neighbor's life-size singing Santa on their porch hooked up to a motion detector.
 
2012-12-11 12:40:44 AM  

ox45tallboy: Asa Phelps: I've never met an atheist who's been up in arms over "christmas".

Maybe a jehova's witness, but those guys don't even have birthdays of their own.

I'm an atheist, and I LOVE Christmas*. Family, gifts, vacation days from work, tons of great food, etc. Online shopping now removes the whole "braving retail stores during Christmas season" thing.

*With the possible exception of my neighbor's life-size singing Santa on their porch hooked up to a motion detector.


Does it move? What happens if you get an identical Santa and square it off with his?
 
2012-12-11 12:46:12 AM  

ox45tallboy: Relatively Obscure: I couldn't say what the frequency was.

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/approves


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/does not approve
 
2012-12-11 12:48:04 AM  

ox45tallboy: Asa Phelps: I've never met an atheist who's been up in arms over "christmas".

Maybe a jehova's witness, but those guys don't even have birthdays of their own.

I'm an atheist, and I LOVE Christmas*. Family, gifts, vacation days from work, tons of great food, etc. Online shopping now removes the whole "braving retail stores during Christmas season" thing.

*With the possible exception of my neighbor's life-size singing Santa on their porch hooked up to a motion detector.


Same here. As someone who holds no religious beliefs, I quite enjoy Christmas. I don't really see what snowmen, Santa Claus, decorated pine trees, lights everywhere, and spending time and giving with friends and family has to do specifically with the birth of Jesus or even Christianity as a whole.
 
2012-12-11 12:48:29 AM  

Relatively Obscure: Does it move? What happens if you get an identical Santa and square it off with his?


I submitted a TFD about it a week or so ago and the best suggestion I got was to reprogram the damn thing so it told dirty jokes. I went so far as to find the wiring scheme for one that looked just like it online, and had actually considered doing this.The following day they had turned off the motion detector, so now I'm wondering if my neighbor has TF, or possibly just realized how f*cking annoying that thing really is.
 
2012-12-11 12:56:14 AM  

WorldCitizen: Same here. As someone who holds no religious beliefs, I quite enjoy Christmas. I don't really see what snowmen, Santa Claus, decorated pine trees, lights everywhere, and spending time and giving with friends and family has to do specifically with the birth of Jesus or even Christianity as a whole.


When Christian people ask why I have a Christmas tree if I'm an atheist, I like to point out that the Christmas tree is pagan such as is described in Jeremiah 10:2-4:

2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
 
2012-12-11 01:07:01 AM  

ox45tallboy: I submitted a TFD about it a week or so ago and the best suggestion I got was to reprogram the damn thing so it told dirty jokes. I went so far as to find the wiring scheme for one that looked just like it online, and had actually considered doing this.The following day they had turned off the motion detector, so now I'm wondering if my neighbor has TF, or possibly just realized how f*cking annoying that thing really is.


Nice. If I had those kind of skills, I'd have probably gone with uncomfortable Crazy Old Man style ranting, myself.
 
2012-12-11 01:07:39 AM  
Well, if I was the kind of person who would do such a thing. I'd ACTUALLY probably just suffer in silence and maybe biatch on the Internet.
 
2012-12-11 01:12:56 AM  

Relatively Obscure: Nice. If I had those kind of skills, I'd have probably gone with uncomfortable Crazy Old Man style ranting, myself.


Honestly, the skills weren't the problem. Replacing a ROM chip would take about 10 minutes or so, and it's not that hard. I'm currently at my sister's house in semi-rural Alabama where everyone has guns and sneaking onto someone else's porch in the middle of the night, especially considering the number of other Christmas lights they have illuminating their yard, takes a good bit of thrill-seeking I find myself lacking as I've gotten older.
 
2012-12-11 01:17:59 AM  
On Monday, Barber blasted the Freedom from Religion Foundation for trying to "recreate an America in their own secular, humanist, self-image."

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The obligatory noted, sign me up as another atheist who enjoys the heck out of the Holiday season.

There's just something special about being all snug and warm inside while winter waits outside, eating goodies you only really see around this time of the year, seeing friends and family you may not have seen in a while, warbling drunkenly off key to the Mr Heat Miser song when the ole Rankin Bass lineup gets aired, all that.

/Might just be me on that last one.
 
2012-12-11 01:32:35 AM  
I am a Buddhist who enjoys the Christmas season.

This sort of asshat does a lot more damage to the spirit of the season.
 
2012-12-11 01:46:30 AM  

hubiestubert: I am a Buddhist who enjoys the Christmas season.

This sort of asshat does a lot more damage to the spirit of the season.


Honest question, do Buddhists celebrate any Buddhist holidays?
 
2012-12-11 01:59:35 AM  
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Et tu, Papa Bear?
 
2012-12-11 02:03:32 AM  

Sgt Otter: [img.photobucket.com image 442x448]

Et tu, Papa Bear?


Perfect for Kwanzaa!
 
2012-12-11 02:10:32 AM  
Actually, it's the war against Festivus, but no one notices.
 
2012-12-11 02:18:12 AM  
Let's start feeding Christians to the lions again -"metaphorically speaking".

Perhaps then they will go back to the actual teachings and ideals in the Bible.
 
2012-12-11 02:26:03 AM  

ox45tallboy: Honest question, do Buddhists celebrate any Buddhist holidays?


yes

//holiday actually comes from the Hindus
 
2012-12-11 02:27:21 AM  
Can I agree that there's no war on Christmas, but still think that some atheists need a good punch in the mouth?

Is that a defensible point of view?
 
2012-12-11 02:29:40 AM  

PreMortem: Let's start feeding Christians to the lions again -"metaphorically speaking".

Perhaps then they will go back to the actual teachings and ideals in the Bible.


This.
Let people celebrate whatever they want. I have this crazy notion that if you are secure in your own lifestyle and belief system you won't be bothered by others.
However, I'd like to give a swift kick in the junk to the inventor of canned holiday muzak. The Cheap Trick ripoff of 'I want you for Christmas' made me stabby.
 
2012-12-11 02:33:03 AM  

Rev.K: Can I agree that there's no war on Christmas, but still think that some atheists need a good punch in the mouth?

Is that a defensible point of view?


I'm sure some of any group you can conceive would be punchable. It really just depends on your reasons.
 
2012-12-11 02:47:31 AM  

cretinbob: ox45tallboy: Honest question, do Buddhists celebrate any Buddhist holidays?

yes

//holiday actually comes from the Hindus


From your link:

Typically on a festival day, lay people will go the the local temple or monastery and offer food to the monks and take the Five Precepts and listen to a Dharma talk....

Kathina Ceremony: It is the time of the year when new robes and other requisites may be offered by the laity to the monks.

Abhidhamma Day: People clean their houses and wash their clothes and enjoy sprinkling perfumed water on the monks...

You sure the monks aren't sneaking a few in on everyone? I mean, they're the ones in charge of letting everyone know about the festivals, right?
 
2012-12-11 02:53:59 AM  

ox45tallboy: You sure the monks aren't sneaking a few in on everyone? I mean, they're the ones in charge of letting everyone know about the festivals, right?


So, pretty much the same as any other religion throughout time?
 
2012-12-11 03:03:04 AM  

Relatively Obscure: So, pretty much the same as any other religion throughout time?


Yeah, I guess. I don't know about the whole "spray perfumed water on the monks" thing, I got rather upset at a lady at the cosmetics counter at Belk once, but that's a different story.

But if it meant free food every festival, and new threads and goodies once a year, I guess I could live with it. Although I'm inclined to think this one came about either as a joke played by some kid or there was a monastery that didn't take baths a long time ago, and that festival was just before another festival where they had to crowd into a big room with all of the laity...
 
2012-12-11 03:07:13 AM  

ox45tallboy: Relatively Obscure: So, pretty much the same as any other religion throughout time?

Yeah, I guess. I don't know about the whole "spray perfumed water on the monks" thing, I got rather upset at a lady at the cosmetics counter at Belk once, but that's a different story.

But if it meant free food every festival, and new threads and goodies once a year, I guess I could live with it. Although I'm inclined to think this one came about either as a joke played by some kid or there was a monastery that didn't take baths a long time ago, and that festival was just before another festival where they had to crowd into a big room with all of the laity...


Okay, I dunno about the perfumed water specifically. But "no, seriously, leave your sacrificed food animals here and they'll totally get eaten" or "hey, leave gifts or money here and we'll ship it straight to the bosses" has been around, I imagine, since folks were still chilling in caves.
 
2012-12-11 03:16:11 AM  

Relatively Obscure: Okay, I dunno about the perfumed water specifically. But "no, seriously, leave your sacrificed food animals here and they'll totally get eaten" or "hey, leave gifts or money here and we'll ship it straight to the bosses" has been around, I imagine, since folks were still chilling in caves.


Or at least as long as the first guy got the idea of speaking to the gods and telling everyone else he couldn't work because work interfered with his communications with the gods, and the gods demanded that the people treat their servant well, and only offer the best of the flock and finest of the harvest, and I'll need a nice comfy chair, it's so tiring speaking to the gods you know, and while you're at a nice cup of Chateau Eau Vale '08 BCE would go wonderfully with this broiled venison au poivre, and better make it in a gold cup, wouldn't want the gods to think you were holding out on them, they know about that sort of thing, mind you!
 
2012-12-11 03:56:12 AM  

ox45tallboy: Relatively Obscure: I couldn't say what the frequency was.

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/approves


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Does not approve.
 
2012-12-11 04:20:38 AM  

DrPainMD: ox45tallboy: Relatively Obscure: I couldn't say what the frequency was.

[www.blogcdn.com image 200x225]

/approves

[upload.wikimedia.org image 230x266]
Does not approve.


Yes he does!
 
2012-12-11 04:59:54 AM  

Rev.K: Can I agree that there's no war on Christmas, but still think that some atheists need a good punch in the mouth?

Is that a defensible point of view?


You really need to brush up on the gospels, my friend.
 
2012-12-11 06:01:52 AM  

giftedmadness: it's so funny that you libs actually believe that conservatives are racist. It's amusing.


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2012-12-11 07:15:53 AM  

Relatively Obscure: GAT_00: I'm still trying to decide which login you were using before the election. Never saw you post before two weeks or so ago, and a whole bunch haven't showed since November 6th.

He was around before the election. I couldn't say what the frequency was.


The frequency is 7.027 MHz. Better bring your A game, because I send *FAST*.
 
2012-12-11 07:16:27 AM  
classic Christianity.

order people to do violent actions. and the ones that follow are labeled sinners. standard practice
 
2012-12-11 07:17:16 AM  

cretinbob: The war on Xmas is all in some peoples tiny, deluded minds


This.

Although to be more precise, upper-middle class suburban Christians LOVE the drama of feeling like they're embattled and persecuted. It falls very closely to the "first world problems" meme.
 
2012-12-11 07:19:28 AM  
Obama Says "Argue With Them, Get In Their Face"

/Its OK when he does it

Obama: 'If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun ...

//Its still OK when he does it
 
2012-12-11 07:20:17 AM  
I'm pretty sure when the J-dog talked about turning cheeks it was totally about punching people in the face.
 
2012-12-11 07:21:51 AM  
Is this the thread where we bash all Christianity for the acts/words of one self-proclaimed Christian?

/gets popcorn
 
2012-12-11 07:24:29 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: Rev.K: Can I agree that there's no war on Christmas, but still think that some atheists need a good punch in the mouth?

Is that a defensible point of view?

You really need to brush up on the gospels, my friend.


As a Christian, I think there are a number of people who would benefit from a good punch in the face. Pat Robertson might top my list. Falwell would have, but, well... it's a lot of digging first.

Everyone has the right to freedom of religion, but that doesn't carry over to people of my own religion being stupid and making the world worse.

To the rest of you, have a merry festivus.and a cromulent renewal of your time tracking sheet!
 
2012-12-11 07:24:54 AM  

giftedmadness: it's so funny that you libs actually believe that conservatives are racist. It's amusing.


Now, where would we have gotten that idea?

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www.theawl.com
 
2012-12-11 07:24:55 AM  

kid_icarus: cretinbob: The war on Xmas is all in some peoples tiny, deluded minds

This.

Although to be more precise, upper-middle class suburban Christians LOVE the drama of feeling like they're embattled and persecuted. It falls very closely to the "first world problems" meme.


Christianity is the religion of persecution. It's so ingrained in the belief system that if they are not being persecuted they invent imaginary persecutions. They still haven't figured out that the Jews and the pagan Romans no longer outnumber them.
 
2012-12-11 07:25:38 AM  
an incredible amount of people who were raised on 'thou shall not kill' join the military to do or die every year. as long as you're tossing around that war word and everything.

/hypocrites & holidays
 
2012-12-11 07:25:53 AM  

ox45tallboy: DrPainMD: ox45tallboy: Relatively Obscure: I couldn't say what the frequency was.

[www.blogcdn.com image 200x225]

/approves

[upload.wikimedia.org image 230x266]
Does not approve.

Yes he does!


Hertz would never approve of someone not knowing what the frequency was.
 
2012-12-11 07:26:18 AM  

INeedAName: Darth_Lukecash: Rev.K: Can I agree that there's no war on Christmas, but still think that some atheists need a good punch in the mouth?

Is that a defensible point of view?

You really need to brush up on the gospels, my friend.

As a Christian, I think there are a number of people who would benefit from a good punch in the face. Pat Robertson might top my list. Falwell would have, but, well... it's a lot of digging first.

Everyone has the right to freedom of religion, but that doesn't carry over to people of my own religion being stupid and making the world worse.

To the rest of you, have a merry festivus.and a cromulent renewal of your time tracking sheet!


wow... now i feel old... i remember when that was a common term.
 
2012-12-11 07:28:14 AM  

Rev.K: Can I agree that there's no war on Christmas, but still think that some atheists need a good punch in the mouth?

Is that a defensible point of view?


As an atheist I would agree, some people don't know when to pick their battles.
 
2012-12-11 07:28:18 AM  

KrispyKritter: an incredible amount of people who were raised on 'thou shall not killmurder join the military to do or die every year. as long as you're tossing around that war word and everything.

/hypocrites & holidays


/FTFY
 
2012-12-11 07:28:53 AM  

Onkel Buck: Obama Says "Argue With Them, Get In Their Face"

/Its OK when he does it

Obama: 'If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun ...

//Its still OK when he does it


The humor here is found in the fact that this so-called Christian is proposing a very unChristian act at Christmas in defense of Christmas.

Try to keep up.
 
2012-12-11 07:29:45 AM  

KrispyKritter: an incredible amount of people who were raised on 'thou shall not kill' join the military to do or die every year. as long as you're tossing around that war word and everything.

/hypocrites & holidays


the military is for people who think killing's ok. while Christianity is against that, we still encourage Christians to join, it's like tempting them to sin. they love it
 
2012-12-11 07:30:21 AM  
The Religion of Peace, ladies and gentlemen.
 
2012-12-11 07:30:36 AM  

Mr.Tangent: Rev.K: Can I agree that there's no war on Christmas, but still think that some atheists need a good punch in the mouth?

Is that a defensible point of view?

As an atheist I would agree, some people don't know when to pick their battles.


Thirded. Militant Atheist groups who reflexively quash creches like this are [nothelping.jpg]
 
2012-12-11 07:30:50 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: INeedAName:
Darth_Lukecash: To the rest of you, have a merry festivus.and a cromulent renewal of your time tracking sheet!

wow... now i feel old... i remember when that was a common term.


Well, in that case, I hope you will not object if I offer you my most enthusiastic contrafribularities.
 
2012-12-11 07:30:56 AM  
Have you ever had to deal with a militant atheist spouting off about their non beliefs? Just really going on and on naively like if there was no religion there would be no troubles in the world. I want to smack them in the mouth, too.
 
2012-12-11 07:30:57 AM  
What war on christmas? Atheists don't have a beef with Santa and Frosty, and they are what christmas is all about.
 
2012-12-11 07:31:31 AM  
Heh. Festivus like in that 90s sitcom 'Seinfeld' right?
 
2012-12-11 07:31:49 AM  

DrPainMD: Hertz would never approve of someone not knowing what the frequency was.


I prefer Enterprise myself.
 
2012-12-11 07:32:01 AM  

Rattlehead: The Religion of Peace, ladies and gentlemen.


I thought that was a ™ of Islam here on Fark™
 
2012-12-11 07:32:46 AM  

Relatively Obscure: cretinbob: Relatively Obscure: I don't really believe he meant "literally punch them in the mouth."

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Let's hope we don't have to find out...again

zomgbullseyemap


You mean Republicans might get exactly what they want again and still get to complain about it?
 
2012-12-11 07:32:55 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: What war on christmas? Atheists don't have a beef with Santa and Frosty, and they are what christmas is all about.


Don't forget the cookies!
 
2012-12-11 07:33:11 AM  

Ed Grubermann: HindiDiscoMonster: INeedAName:
Darth_Lukecash: To the rest of you, have a merry festivus.and a cromulent renewal of your time tracking sheet!

wow... now i feel old... i remember when that was a common term.

Well, in that case, I hope you will not object if I offer you my most enthusiastic contrafribularities.


bastard... dammit... shiat, i am going back to bed... as soon as i find my walker.
 
2012-12-11 07:33:40 AM  
Why do these things always HAVE to be on public land? Isn't there a nearby church or a private yard you can put that shiat in?
 
2012-12-11 07:34:27 AM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: Heh. Festivus like in that 90s sitcom 'Seinfeld' right?


Figured that out on your own, or did mommy help you?
 
2012-12-11 07:35:45 AM  

hitlersbrain: Why do these things always HAVE to be on public land? Isn't there a nearby church or a private yard you can put that shiat in?


Because they know it will stir up shiat and they can feel all persecuted about it.
 
2012-12-11 07:36:33 AM  

hitlersbrain: Why do these things always HAVE to be on public land? Isn't there a nearby church or a private yard you can put that shiat in?


That wouldn't earn any attention or jesus points.
 
2012-12-11 07:37:20 AM  
Come at me, bro
 
2012-12-11 07:37:22 AM  
I am all for punching atheists in the mouth....if they get to punch christians in the cock. It might cut down a bit on the altar boy molestations.

Meanwhile, those of us who sit nicely in the middle can buy tickets to the atheist/christian mouth/cock punch-off.
 
2012-12-11 07:37:49 AM  
Something I noticed about Atheists (at least here) is they never complain about Santa or Christmas trees and such... only about Christian decorations... I wonder why they don't attack the Pagan stuff too....

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-11 07:38:11 AM  
FTA: Conservative Christian radio host Matt Barber says that an atheist group should be punched "in the mouth" after they filed a complaint that sought to stop a Michigan man from erecting a nativity scene on public land.

Why can't the religious assholes get it through their teeny little brains that if they want to put up a religious 'whatever', do it on private property and nobody will have a problem with it. The religious assholes keep trying to push the bounds, to try to make their religion basically endorsed by the government.
 
2012-12-11 07:39:43 AM  

MythDragon: I am all for punching atheists in the mouth....if they get to punch christians in the cock. It might cut down a bit on the altar boy molestations.

Meanwhile, those of us who sit nicely in the middle can buy tickets to the atheist/christian mouth/cock punch-off.


people who sit in the middle of the street get run over by both sides of traffic...

/just sayin'
 
2012-12-11 07:42:31 AM  

GAT_00: Hey, looks like we finally found someone engaged in an actual Christmas War.


No sh*t. They're the ones propagating this 'war.' The rest of us just want to say "Happy holidays" without incident. And the acknowledgment that maybe Christian themes are not to be erected on public land just means we actually give a damn what this country is supposed to stand for. It isn't the nativity scenes themselves; it's the concept that America has a clearly defined wall between personal cosmology and our government.

I'm not the one overreacting, here. This dick is.
 
2012-12-11 07:43:40 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Something I noticed about Atheists (at least here) is they never complain about Santa or Christmas trees and such... only about Christian decorations... I wonder why they don't attack the Pagan stuff too....

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Other than calling pagans tree-hugging, crystal-gazing, patchouli-sniffing morons? Nope. We never say shiat about them. And no, we don't give a damn about Christian decorations on private land. It's when the Christians insist on trying to put their religious decorations of public land that we get a little pissy. See, we're pretty much okay with either allowing all religions with a winter holiday the ability to plant their trinkets on public land, or none of them. Not this Christians-only crap most of these Christian groups try and pull.
 
2012-12-11 07:43:48 AM  
No bullshiat, there I was six clicks south of the bombed out remains of a Wendy's when I realized it. We weren't going home, the Christmas Wars will never end. I blame the traitors. The secularists pushed their "Holiday War" agenda too far, sucking in the most vocal of all Christians, Kanye West. "Money talks, Jesus walks" he said before executing Santa on the steps of Capitol Hill. That was eight years ago. Christmas is mostly a legend now, nobody is alive that remembers time before the war. Except me. I remember hiding every year with my family as we tried to come up with methods of subversive deception. We'd make gingerbread 9/11s and sing carols by morse code. I even shaved a Crèche into my pubic hair. If we just had the fortitude to punch them in the mouth when we had the chance.
 
2012-12-11 07:46:25 AM  

Ed Grubermann: See, we're pretty much okay with either allowing all religions with a winter holiday the ability to plant their trinkets on public land, or none of them. Not this Christians-only crap most of these Christian groups try and pull.


This one, especially those parts.
 
2012-12-11 07:46:42 AM  
Not very Christ-like of them.
 
2012-12-11 07:46:52 AM  
OK, so you can't smite an atheist. Just who the hell can you smite?
 
2012-12-11 07:47:06 AM  
As a Christian, this guy is running an anti-ministry. Way to well out your faith for ratings, brah.
 
2012-12-11 07:48:15 AM  
If anything, there's a war on it not being Christmas.

Decorations on sale earlier than Halloween. Stores playing nothing but Christmas music early in November. And even Black Friday being moved earlier. Christmas has invaded Thanksgiving. Who's warring who here?
 
2012-12-11 07:48:19 AM  

Ed Grubermann: HindiDiscoMonster: Something I noticed about Atheists (at least here) is they never complain about Santa or Christmas trees and such... only about Christian decorations... I wonder why they don't attack the Pagan stuff too....

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 240x336]

Other than calling pagans tree-hugging, crystal-gazing, patchouli-sniffing morons? Nope. We never say shiat about them. And no, we don't give a damn about Christian decorations on private land. It's when the Christians insist on trying to put their religious decorations of public land that we get a little pissy. See, we're pretty much okay with either allowing all religions with a winter holiday the ability to plant their trinkets on public land, or none of them. Not this Christians-only crap most of these Christian groups try and pull.


I don't know how to break this to you... but I see quite a bit more Pagan decoration during Christmas than Christian... how come no Atheists attack those displays and demand the removal (from public lands) displays of Christmas trees, Santa, or other Pagan symbols... how come only Christians get the hate? Seems to me, you should attack the largest market - Pagan symbols.
 
2012-12-11 07:50:50 AM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: At some point some of these wackjobs are going to start a mini-revolution and be smacked down in a military operation that's gonna fuel Military Channel specials for the next decade.


Is happened already.

dl.dropbox.com

Was not great success for to be honored by generations of warriors.

/Was, how you say, total failure. 
/Fueled era of right wing terrorism instead.
 
2012-12-11 07:52:17 AM  
Call the Winter Festival whatever you like. Celebrate it however you like.

It's about sharing light and warmth to help each other make it through the long dark winter. That's why all the lights and decorations and goodies and presents.

If you have a specific belief system that places additional myths in front of the Winter Festival backdrop, that's all well and good, but you don't get to insist on adding your myths to my Festival, just like I don't get to insist that you put cool whip on your pumpkin pie.

/If you have to add cool whip to distract from the flavor of your pumpkin pie, you're eating bad pie
 
2012-12-11 07:54:57 AM  
If there was a Christ, he wasn't born in winter. A winter solstice celebration and the traditions of drinking, feasting, caroling, gift-giving, yule logs, bringing evergreen trees indoors, and decorating with red and green all predate Christianity. If the Jesus People want to complain about "the war on Christmas", they ought to at least be aware that they first usurped the holiday in a political power-grab.
 
2012-12-11 07:57:13 AM  

Jorn the Younger:

/If you have to add cool whip to distract from the flavor of your pumpkin pie, you're eating bad pie


It's all we can afford, so you can have my Cool hWhip when you pry it from my cold, dead, fat fingers.
 
2012-12-11 07:58:04 AM  

Oblio13: If there was a Christ, he wasn't born in winter. A winter solstice celebration and the traditions of drinking, feasting, caroling, gift-giving, yule logs, bringing evergreen trees indoors, and decorating with red and green all predate Christianity. If the Jesus People want to complain about "the war on Christmas", they ought to at least be aware that they first usurped the holiday in a political power-grab.


how do you know he wasn't born in winter?

and why can't you accept it??
 
2012-12-11 07:58:21 AM  

ox45tallboy: WorldCitizen: Same here. As someone who holds no religious beliefs, I quite enjoy Christmas. I don't really see what snowmen, Santa Claus, decorated pine trees, lights everywhere, and spending time and giving with friends and family has to do specifically with the birth of Jesus or even Christianity as a whole.

When Christian people ask why I have a Christmas tree if I'm an atheist, I like to point out that the Christmas tree is pagan such as is described in Jeremiah 10:2-4:


This is my new favorite Bible verse!!! How have I not know this? Thank you!
 
2012-12-11 07:58:53 AM  

Oblio13: If there was a Christ, he wasn't born in winter. A winter solstice celebration and the traditions of drinking, feasting, caroling, gift-giving, yule logs, bringing evergreen trees indoors, and decorating with red and green all predate Christianity. If the Jesus People want to complain about "the war on Christmas", they ought to at least be aware that they first usurped the holiday in a political power-grab.


that is precisely my point... Christmas has nothing to do with Christ. It was co-opted by the Catholic church from the Pagan winter festival... so why don't Atheists attack that faith... the largest market by far... I wonder... maybe it just wouldn't be as popular to attack Santa and those ebil Christmas trees.
 
2012-12-11 07:59:18 AM  
but Christianity cleaned up the Pagan rituals so they aren't evil anymore. Jesus is magical like that
 
2012-12-11 07:59:28 AM  
My Jesus was born on the 4th of July.
 
2012-12-11 08:01:01 AM  

Hershey Highway Patrol: My Jesus was born on the 4th of July.


With guns a-blazing shouting homophobic slurs?
 
2012-12-11 08:01:14 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: but ChristianityCatholicism cleaned up the Pagan rituals so they aren't evil anymore. JesusThe Pope™ is magical like that


/FTFY
 
2012-12-11 08:01:46 AM  
i47.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-11 08:02:38 AM  
Onward, Christian Douchebags!
 
2012-12-11 08:02:48 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Jon iz teh kewl: but ChristianityCatholicism cleaned up the Pagan rituals so they aren't evil anymore. JesusThe Pope™ is magical like that

/FTFY


it's all the same, it's a big scam to spawn the economy
 
2012-12-11 08:06:15 AM  
So much for Peace on Earth and good will to all.
 
2012-12-11 08:06:16 AM  

Nick Nostril: Jorn the Younger:

/If you have to add cool whip to distract from the flavor of your pumpkin pie, you're eating bad pie

It's all we can afford, so you can have my Cool hWhip when you pry it from my cold, dead, fat fingers.


If you can only afford bad tasting pie, why not make the pie instead? A small pumpkin hardly costs anything, and a decent vanilla ice cream only a few bucks (for in the pie, not on the pie), and pre-made pie crusts are like 2 for $1.50. There's a bit of seasonings and spices in it, sure, but I'd have to ask my lady what they are, as she does the actual making of the pie
 
2012-12-11 08:06:41 AM  

s3.amazonaws.com

 
2012-12-11 08:07:20 AM  
i.imgur.com

/all very punchable
 
2012-12-11 08:07:45 AM  

ox45tallboy: hubiestubert: I am a Buddhist who enjoys the Christmas season.

This sort of asshat does a lot more damage to the spirit of the season.

Honest question, do Buddhists celebrate any Buddhist holidays?


as a Buddhist, hell if I know. I think we celebrate Tet
 
2012-12-11 08:07:48 AM  

DrPainMD: ox45tallboy: DrPainMD: ox45tallboy: Relatively Obscure: I couldn't say what the frequency was.

[www.blogcdn.com image 200x225]

/approves

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Does not approve.

Yes he does!

Hertz would never approve of someone not knowing what the frequency was.


I believe he said that on a regular basis.
 
2012-12-11 08:09:06 AM  
Famous christian saying; "Kill them all; let God sort them out,"

Don't forget the torture.
 
2012-12-11 08:09:28 AM  
images.wikia.com
 
2012-12-11 08:09:35 AM  

cretinbob: Let's hope we don't have to find out...again


Except for the part where that shooting had nothing to do with what anyone said or did and was the act of one deranged idiot I can totally see where you get the comparison from.

No wait, I can't.
 
2012-12-11 08:10:22 AM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: At some point some of these wackjobs are going to start a mini-revolution and be smacked down in a military operation that's gonna fuel Military Channel specials for the next decade.


Well, the Military Channel is running out of material.

In other news, Pope Urban the 2nd sent a delegation to beat the Jews, Muslims and Pagans into good ol' fashioned Christian submission. So I guess this preacher fella is onto something.
 
2012-12-11 08:10:36 AM  
How Christian of him.
 
2012-12-11 08:10:44 AM  
Done in two.
 
2012-12-11 08:10:56 AM  

ox45tallboy: "You know, what do you do with a bully?" he explained. "If a bully keeps getting his way and intimidating kids on the playground and nobody stands up for themselves then the bully is encouraged and emboldened and continues to bully more and more people.

The author is right. Atheists should stand up to people who demand that everyone else live their lives a certain way because "God said so". Every time the Christians win some kind of battle like transvaginal ultrasounds or what not, they become encouraged and emboldened and go for things like demanding Creationism be taught in science class.

I like this author. He makes pretty good points.


Yeah I was really wondering if he understood the irony of what he was saying. Probably not.
 
2012-12-11 08:10:59 AM  
Wow, 115 posts before 8 A.M. ... the Fark heathen brigade doesn't like it when the tables are turned on them, eh? Don't like a little dose of your own medicine? Maybe the usual suspects oughta promote a few turd marriage threads to help everyone feel better?
 
2012-12-11 08:11:40 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl:
how do you know he wasn't born in winter?

 

For starters, the shepherds were still "in the fields with their flocks".

 and why can't you accept it?? 

I have this thing about facts.
 
2012-12-11 08:12:21 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: how do you know he wasn't born in winter?

and why can't you accept it??


Not_sure_if_serious.jpg

So far as I recall, its accepted by most churches that his exact birth date isn't known.
They moved the holidays around to adapt with the Pagan cultures they were trying to convert.

/Its why anyone that tries to predict age of the earth or specific dates from bible lore comes off as a flake.
/It was ancient oral history before it was transcribed dozens of times over.
/You don't get accuracy from that.
 
2012-12-11 08:12:44 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: I don't know how to break this to you... but I see quite a bit more Pagan decoration during Christmas than Christian... how come no Atheists attack those displays and demand the removal (from public lands) displays of Christmas trees, Santa, or other Pagan symbols... how come only Christians get the hate? Seems to me, you should attack the largest market - Pagan symbols.


Nobody worships Santa, you dolt.
 
2012-12-11 08:13:11 AM  
apatheist right here enjoys Christmas.

Even though my mom's Catholic, my parents always stressed the importance of focusing on charity, family, forgiveness and thankfulness. It was not much about the birth of Jesus on the Mose homestead, but more about celebrating and extoling the virtues associated with the man. That always seemed like the right priority, anyway. The world could definitely do with more of that.
 
2012-12-11 08:14:00 AM  

Stinkyy: Wow, 115 posts before 8 A.M. ... the Fark heathen brigade doesn't like it when the tables are turned on them, eh? Don't like a little dose of your own medicine?


Actually this is all push back against decades of loud mouthed christians getting their way.
 
2012-12-11 08:14:32 AM  

Befuddled: FTA: Conservative Christian radio host Matt Barber says that an atheist group should be punched "in the mouth" after they filed a complaint that sought to stop a Michigan man from erecting a nativity scene on public land.

Why can't the religious assholes get it through their teeny little brains that if they want to put up a religious 'whatever', do it on private property and nobody will have a problem with it. The religious assholes keep trying to push the bounds, to try to make their religion basically endorsed by the government.


As an atheist, I have to say the proper response to this isn't complaining and trying to get the nativity scene removed from public land... Instead, they should've sought to place their own counter-display on the same public land... After all, it is public land, for us all to use... Let the Christians put up a display, and let the Jews, the Muslims, the Scientologists, the Wiccans, and the atheists put one up as well... The poor oppressed Christians like this guy will still complain, probably even louder, but they'll just look foolish and bitter... Instead, when complaining about stuff like this, they look righteous... Doing stuff like this just feeds their persecution complex...

/Plus, it's just a really stupid and trivial thing to worry about in the first place...
//It's like some atheists these days are developing the same persecution complex...
///Having to see a farking nativity scene isn't oppressing your lack of belief!
 
2012-12-11 08:14:40 AM  

Stinkyy: Wow, 115 posts before 8 A.M. ... the Fark heathen brigade doesn't like it when the tables are turned on them, eh? Don't like a little dose of your own medicine? Maybe the usual suspects oughta promote a few turd marriage threads to help everyone feel better?


Thank you for responding to my call to action.
 
2012-12-11 08:14:51 AM  

Jorn the Younger: Nick Nostril: Jorn the Younger:

/If you have to add cool whip to distract from the flavor of your pumpkin pie, you're eating bad pie

It's all we can afford, so you can have my Cool hWhip when you pry it from my cold, dead, fat fingers.

If you can only afford bad tasting pie, why not make the pie instead? A small pumpkin hardly costs anything, and a decent vanilla ice cream only a few bucks (for in the pie, not on the pie), and pre-made pie crusts are like 2 for $1.50. There's a bit of seasonings and spices in it, sure, but I'd have to ask my lady what they are, as she does the actual making of the pie


Molasses is key. Only need a little if your squash of choice is naturally sweet. I usually make mine from my garden butternut squash.
 
2012-12-11 08:15:24 AM  
Here's some more fun facts about this asshole:

- Has said that gay male relationships constitute "one man violently cramming his penis into another man's lower intestine and calling it 'love'"

- Has called President Barack Obama an "anti-American" "enemy" who is "determined to destroy America"

- Of a lesbian couple's parental decisions for their transgender child, said: "We shouldn't be surprised that we see this kind of child abuse and brainwashing when we allow children to be placed intentionally in motherless or fatherless homes that model disordered sexual behavior and push the false notion that human sexuality is somehow androgynous," adding that the kid is "the poster child against the unconscionable practice of legalized so-called 'gay adoption.'"

- Routinely uses words like "purveyors of evil" or "satanic" (1:19 in video clip) to refer to his political opponents

- Said Ellen DeGeneres "guides her many adoring housewife fans into rebellion against God's divine and explicit natural order"

- Claims that by supporting LGBT viewers, media outlets are trying "to make the absurd appear reasonable and normal" (0:46 - 0:51)

- Says gays make up violence "as a Trojan Horse to force, to compel nations and individuals and groups and churches that embrace traditional values, relative to sexual behavior, to push them into the closet and say 'no, no, you have to adopt a full affirmation of these perversions.'"

- Says gay rights presents a "clear and present danger" and "internationally the greatest threat" (58:27-59:00)


Total farking scumbag. Also, he appears on FoxNews now and then, no surprise there.
 
2012-12-11 08:15:36 AM  

JRoo: How Christian of him.


♪ ♫ Yes, they'll know we are Christians by our love ... ♪
 
2012-12-11 08:16:43 AM  

way south: Jon iz teh kewl: how do you know he wasn't born in winter?

and why can't you accept it??

Not_sure_if_serious.jpg

So far as I recall, its accepted by most churches that his exact birth date isn't known.
They moved the holidays around to adapt with the Pagan cultures they were trying to convert.

/Its why anyone that tries to predict age of the earth or specific dates from bible lore comes off as a flake.
/It was ancient oral history before it was transcribed dozens of times over.
/You don't get accuracy from that.


but doesn't it make SNESE to celebrate his holiday in the pagan season, as opposed to July. so there's 1 gift giving holiday each year instead of 2??

selectstartgames.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-11 08:17:01 AM  
Color me another atheist that likes the holidays. But also one that is fully behind the idea that if jesusy ppl get to put up holiday displays on publicly owned land, so can everyone else. Period.

I personally dream of a day(I probably won't live to see), when Christianity(and the rest of abrahamic, revealed truth desert religions) are talked about the same way we talk about Zeus and Thor. Fantasies of a primitive people in a primitive time. I look forward to belief in Jesus being as ridiculous a proposition as prostrating yourself to Poseidon.

Stop poisoning humanity with the taint of your horrible chalcolithic sky shamanism.

But all that aside, go Christmas. Loving the lights this year, more ppl moving to LEDs.
 
2012-12-11 08:17:28 AM  
Some one, some day might actually produce actual evidence of this "war on Christmas". Invariably whenever this stupid seasonal meme crops up its because someone still hasn't gotten the memo about separation of church and state, or of free speech, or simply cannot tolerate the idea that other people might have other ideas of how to celebrate this arbitrary day in the calendar.
 
2012-12-11 08:19:32 AM  
hey gaiz wats this thread?
 
2012-12-11 08:20:24 AM  
There are lots of people of many faiths and beliefs in the world who could all use a punch in the face.
 
2012-12-11 08:20:45 AM  

somedude210: ox45tallboy: hubiestubert: I am a Buddhist who enjoys the Christmas season.

This sort of asshat does a lot more damage to the spirit of the season.

Honest question, do Buddhists celebrate any Buddhist holidays?

as a Buddhist, hell if I know. I think we celebrate Tet


That's Offensive.
 
2012-12-11 08:20:59 AM  

I drunk what: hey gaiz wats this thread?


it's a Christmas tree, meaning gay. happy gaylidays!!
 
2012-12-11 08:21:34 AM  

Mose: Jorn the Younger: Nick Nostril: Jorn the Younger:

/If you have to add cool whip to distract from the flavor of your pumpkin pie, you're eating bad pie

It's all we can afford, so you can have my Cool hWhip when you pry it from my cold, dead, fat fingers.

If you can only afford bad tasting pie, why not make the pie instead? A small pumpkin hardly costs anything, and a decent vanilla ice cream only a few bucks (for in the pie, not on the pie), and pre-made pie crusts are like 2 for $1.50. There's a bit of seasonings and spices in it, sure, but I'd have to ask my lady what they are, as she does the actual making of the pie

Molasses is key. Only need a little if your squash of choice is naturally sweet. I usually make mine from my garden butternut squash.


Molasses...never tried that. The only thing I know about it was that I bought it on accident once and found out that it is, in fact, not the same thing as maple syrup.
 
2012-12-11 08:22:36 AM  

Schroedinger's Glory Hole: No bullshiat, there I was six clicks south of the bombed out remains of a Wendy's when I realized it. We weren't going home, the Christmas Wars will never end. I blame the traitors. The secularists pushed their "Holiday War" agenda too far, sucking in the most vocal of all Christians, Kanye West. "Money talks, Jesus walks" he said before executing Santa on the steps of Capitol Hill. That was eight years ago. Christmas is mostly a legend now, nobody is alive that remembers time before the war. Except me. I remember hiding every year with my family as we tried to come up with methods of subversive deception. We'd make gingerbread 9/11s and sing carols by morse code. I even shaved a Crèche into my pubic hair. If we just had the fortitude to punch them in the mouth when we had the chance.


Dude, that sort of thing is a masturbatory fantasy for a good chunk of them.
 
2012-12-11 08:24:20 AM  
The Prince of Peace would like a word with you....
 
2012-12-11 08:24:23 AM  
You're perpetuating a war on Christmas if:

- You're not a Christian yet you think you should have the same right they do to use public land to air your opinions

- You say anything other than "Merry Christmas" to anybody as both a salutation and valediction during the entire month of December

- You dare to even be aware of the exceptional level of absurdity involved with Christians making such a huge stink about a date arbitrarily chosen as the alleged birth of their savior while making much less of a deal about that whole "actually becoming the savior" thing that supposedly happened in the spring

- You dare to suggest that very few people actually give a flying rat turd about the whole stupid concept of a war on Christmas since the vast majority of people just use the time as a nice winter holiday to relax at home with their family anyway and almost nobody in the entire country gives even half a fark about whatever Bill O'Reilly's current outrage from Podunk, Nowhere is tonight.
 
2012-12-11 08:24:25 AM  

drxym: Some one, some day might actually produce actual evidence of this "war on Christmas". Invariably whenever this stupid seasonal meme crops up its because someone still hasn't gotten the memo about separation of church and state, or of free speech, or simply cannot tolerate the idea that other people might have other ideas of how to celebrate this arbitrary day in the calendar.


Because that would require a nuanced understanding of other people and other cultures and a fundamental respect for others' right to do as they will. No way we have the time and resources to put into that kind of rational solution. "War on %target" is much easier for the ignorant to consume.
 
2012-12-11 08:24:31 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: I don't know how to break this to you... but I see quite a bit more Pagan decoration during Christmas than Christian... how come no Atheists attack those displays and demand the removal (from public lands) displays of Christmas trees, Santa, or other Pagan symbols... how come only Christians get the hate? Seems to me, you should attack the largest market - Pagan symbols.


How many actual Pagans do you see around these days? Do you believe that everyone that puts up a Christmas tree is truly Pagan? People aren't attacking it, because most people don't even realize that it's based on Pagan traditions! And, those that do, realize it's been co-opted and no longer has anything to do with its roots... Christmas trees, Santa, Yule logs, etc. are all completely secular these days... Nativity scenes, not so much... (Not that anyone should still have a problem with their display, either...)
 
2012-12-11 08:25:10 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: but I see quite a bit more Pagan decoration during Christmas than Christian


Because Christians co-opted those symbols and made them their own, perhaps?

It was a valid conversion strategy for the last thousand years or so you know...
 
2012-12-11 08:25:27 AM  

RobSeace: HindiDiscoMonster: I don't know how to break this to you... but I see quite a bit more Pagan decoration during Christmas than Christian... how come no Atheists attack those displays and demand the removal (from public lands) displays of Christmas trees, Santa, or other Pagan symbols... how come only Christians get the hate? Seems to me, you should attack the largest market - Pagan symbols.

How many actual Pagans do you see around these days? Do you believe that everyone that puts up a Christmas tree is truly Pagan? People aren't attacking it, because most people don't even realize that it's based on Pagan traditions! And, those that do, realize it's been co-opted and no longer has anything to do with its roots... Christmas trees, Santa, Yule logs, etc. are all completely secular these days... Nativity scenes, not so much... (Not that anyone should still have a problem with their display, either...)


pagan is part of our history. why do you hate history so much
 
2012-12-11 08:26:55 AM  

Chariset: Theologian here. Want my take on the War on Christmas?

It's the panicked, flailing reaction of the Religious Right to the sudden realization that the US is celebrating a completely secular holiday in December -- one which could go by Christmas or "the holidays" or Snowflake Day or whatever. They had liked to believe that the country went insane as a sign of religious devotion. Now they see that what is celebrated as Christmas by most of the country is not the same holiday as the Christian Christmas.

Think of it like a child born on the 4th of July. Think of the tantrum he might throw the first time he realizes that the parade and the fireworks aren't for him. "No! They're doing it for ME because it's MY BIRTHDAY!" It's like that, only with more airtime.


Another theologian here, saying, "THIS!" You nailed it, Chariset.
 
2012-12-11 08:27:27 AM  
I love it how worked up people get. When I was in college I worked for a cell phone company who had no stated policy about saying 'happy holidays' or 'merry christmas' or whatever. I'm an atheist but I usually alternated between both just for the sake of a little variety in a heavily scripted workday. One woman became irate after I had wished her 'happy holidays' and started to rant at me about 'jaysus'. She threatened to cancel her contract because the phone jockey (me) hadn't used the words christmas.

I lost my temper with her and told her that I have been using both terms all day but now thanks to her I'll be switching to happy holidays exclusively and then I hung up on her. Then I had to deal with a pissed off supervisor and all kinds of additional stress during finals, and the holidays. Way to go Jesus lady, you sure acted well in his name.
 
2012-12-11 08:28:04 AM  

Cythraul: [s3.amazonaws.com image 324x269]


I love this image - Jesus suddenly realizes this "dying for other's sins" thing is totally lame, rips apart the puny girly-man wooden cross and goes home.
 
2012-12-11 08:28:55 AM  
I'm an atheist, and I don't really care, but I would agree that there is a lot of "don't say Christmas cause everybody's not Christian so just call it "holiday" " bullshiat.

Santa's not real either, but I don't mind telling kids about him.
 
2012-12-11 08:29:09 AM  

Egoy3k: I love it how worked up people get. When I was in college I worked for a cell phone company who had no stated policy about saying 'happy holidays' or 'merry christmas' or whatever. I'm an atheist but I usually alternated between both just for the sake of a little variety in a heavily scripted workday. One woman became irate after I had wished her 'happy holidays' and started to rant at me about 'jaysus'. She threatened to cancel her contract because the phone jockey (me) hadn't used the words christmas.

I lost my temper with her and told her that I have been using both terms all day but now thanks to her I'll be switching to happy holidays exclusively and then I hung up on her. Then I had to deal with a pissed off supervisor and all kinds of additional stress during finals, and the holidays. Way to go Jesus lady, you sure acted well in his name.


maybe she was a secret Jew
 
2012-12-11 08:29:41 AM  

neongoats: Stop poisoning humanity with the taint of your horrible chalcolithic sky shamanism.


i28.photobucket.com

Huh huh huh!
 
2012-12-11 08:30:00 AM  

RobSeace: Nativity scenes, not so much... (Not that anyone should still have a problem with their display, either...)


I have a problem with them simply because they endorse superstitious thought which is nothing but counterproductive. Celebrate the return of light anbd all things green all you want (because let's face it, nobody gets excited about being in darkness for 14 hours out of the day), but drop the farcical magical nonsense; we'll all be better for it.
 
2012-12-11 08:30:38 AM  

StrangeQ: Mose: Jorn the Younger: Nick Nostril: Jorn the Younger:

/If you have to add cool whip to distract from the flavor of your pumpkin pie, you're eating bad pie

It's all we can afford, so you can have my Cool hWhip when you pry it from my cold, dead, fat fingers.

If you can only afford bad tasting pie, why not make the pie instead? A small pumpkin hardly costs anything, and a decent vanilla ice cream only a few bucks (for in the pie, not on the pie), and pre-made pie crusts are like 2 for $1.50. There's a bit of seasonings and spices in it, sure, but I'd have to ask my lady what they are, as she does the actual making of the pie

Molasses is key. Only need a little if your squash of choice is naturally sweet. I usually make mine from my garden butternut squash.

Molasses...never tried that. The only thing I know about it was that I bought it on accident once and found out that it is, in fact, not the same thing as maple syrup.


It's sugar cane syrup, basically. It's what makes brown sugar brown. It's very good. A lot of people sweeten boiled or roasted/baked squash with brown sugar. I cut out the middle man and skip right to molasses.

Maple syrup works well too, but it usually has more water in it than molasses so you have to account for that. If you live near a sugaring operation though, you might be able to find maple sugar. That's the crystalized stuff that builds up on the inside of the evaporator. That stuff is awesome.
 
2012-12-11 08:30:41 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: it's a Christmas tree, meaning gay. happy gaylidays!!


did any "xians" take the bait yet?

this should get them going:

doyner: Since that's exactly what Jesus would do then it's good advice.


skepticfreethought.com

trolololololol

/i trol u
 
2012-12-11 08:30:51 AM  
Deck the halls
 
2012-12-11 08:33:25 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Deck the halls


with bells of meth
 
2012-12-11 08:33:49 AM  
If some jebus kook who doesn't really believe in peace on earth and good will toward men takes a poke at me, he will leave the scene in an ambulance or a hearse. I won't settle for just getting even.
 
2012-12-11 08:35:46 AM  
What? It's Christmas? I love in Phoenix, so who the fark can tell. whoopdee
 
2012-12-11 08:36:08 AM  
The pope says Jesus wasn't born on Dec. 25th, so WTF?
 
2012-12-11 08:36:09 AM  
When I was a kid, I was taught that 'Happy Holidays' was short for, 'Happy Thanksgiving, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.'

I really for the life of me figure out how this could offend anyone.
 
2012-12-11 08:36:20 AM  

RobSeace: and the atheists put one up as well


what did you have in mind?
 
2012-12-11 08:36:39 AM  
Christian America taught me that pre-emptive strikes are legal, so I'm off to punch a Christian in the mouth.
 
2012-12-11 08:36:44 AM  
I love Christmas... I also don't believe in any gods or supernatural beings.

I've been known to attend midnight mass and everything (I like the singing and organ in my parish church).

As far as religious displays on public land, it doesn't really bother me, but If a group of citizens are offended by it, then the space should be open to ALL religious displays or no religious displays. Realistically speaking, it just makes more sense to only have secular displays on public land. Less hassles like this nonsense.

Churches, Synagogs, and private citizens are free to put up all the religious displays on their property they want last I checked. No reason to use public land at all.
 
2012-12-11 08:37:33 AM  
Also, the funniest part of the story for me was him using "humanist" as a pejorative. Yeah, those wicked humanists... history's greatest monsters.
 
2012-12-11 08:38:27 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Deck the halls

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2012-12-11 08:38:35 AM  

Relatively Obscure: GAT_00: I'm still trying to decide which login you were using before the election. Never saw you post before two weeks or so ago, and a whole bunch haven't showed since November 6th.

He was around before the election. I couldn't say what the frequency was.


Wow, some of you idiots actually try to track the "opposition" here?

You must be that little Spanish college brat I taught a lesson to all those years ago. You've been chasing these people your whole life only to have them change their user name? I think that's about the worst thing I've ever heard.
[pause]
How marvelous.
 
2012-12-11 08:38:38 AM  

grokca: Christian America taught me that pre-emptive strikes are legal, so I'm off to punch a Christian in the mouth.


how does the brimstone and fire feel
 
2012-12-11 08:39:16 AM  
FTA: If a bully keeps getting his way and intimidating kids on the playground and nobody stands up for themselves then the bully is encouraged and emboldened and continues to bully more and more people.

You're right buddy. This is exactly how the religionists got to where they are today.
 
2012-12-11 08:39:37 AM  

Relatively Obscure: GAT_00: I'm still trying to decide which login you were using before the election. Never saw you post before two weeks or so ago, and a whole bunch haven't showed since November 6th.

He was around before the election. I couldn't say what the frequency was.


You should ask Kenneth.
 
2012-12-11 08:41:15 AM  
Not my pic, but they started putting this shiat up the week before Halloween in my neighborhood.

i13.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-11 08:42:08 AM  

StrangeQ: I have a problem with them simply because they endorse superstitious thought which is nothing but counterproductive. Celebrate the return of light anbd all things green all you want (because let's face it, nobody gets excited about being in darkness for 14 hours out of the day), but drop the farcical magical nonsense; we'll all be better for it.


I agree with your sentiment in spirit, but disagree with the idea of shutting down such displays for the same reason I would disagree with shutting down a display from anyone I might disagree with... Let them have their nativity scenes; it does me no harm... I don't agree with all the beliefs and sentiments behind them, but so what? They have a right to display them... And, as much as I'd love it if everyone became rational and dropped all religion, I'm not delusional enough to think it's ever going to happen in my lifetime, if ever... So, until then, we all have to live together on this rock and get along with each other...
 
2012-12-11 08:42:27 AM  

Mike_LowELL: Barack Obama Locked a Kitten in One Of Those Plastic Rolly Balls For Hamsters And Rolled It Down a Hill: The Shocking Facts


You owe me a new keyboard and two new monitors, you magnificent bastard.
 
2012-12-11 08:42:40 AM  

Relatively Obscure: Meh. He was just saying that he thinks we atheists are all being big meanie-heads and we should be stood up to. I don't really believe he meant "literally punch them in the mouth." I do believe he's kind of an idiot, though.


Mature sensibilities and common sense- the world needs more folks like you :)
 
2012-12-11 08:46:07 AM  

Jorn the Younger:
/If you have to add cool whip to distract from the flavor of your pumpkin pie, you're eating bad pie


If you think cool whip as a distraction, you don't understand good food.
 
2012-12-11 08:46:34 AM  

Chariset: Theologian here. Want my take on the War on Christmas?

It's the panicked, flailing reaction of the Religious Right to the sudden realization that the US is celebrating a completely secular holiday in December -- one which could go by Christmas or "the holidays" or Snowflake Day or whatever. They had liked to believe that the country went insane as a sign of religious devotion. Now they see that what is celebrated as Christmas by most of the country is not the same holiday as the Christian Christmas.

Think of it like a child born on the 4th of July. Think of the tantrum he might throw the first time he realizes that the parade and the fireworks aren't for him. "No! They're doing it for ME because it's MY BIRTHDAY!" It's like that, only with more airtime.


Are you saying that the nation is in fact not celebrating my birthday on December 25?

/will be 35.
 
2012-12-11 08:47:52 AM  
Church League Softball Fistfight?
 
2012-12-11 08:48:16 AM  
I get very upset when I see a Frosty the Snowman wearing any kind of headgear besides a silk top hat. Outrageous displays like this should be banned! Or at least there should be a public haberdashery fund created to stop the madness.
 
2012-12-11 08:48:37 AM  

cretinbob: The war on Xmas is all in some peoples tiny, deluded minds


i'm more concerned about the war on Christianity

and websites that create threads just to propagate bigoted hate speech
 
2012-12-11 08:49:09 AM  

macdaddy357: If some jebus kook who doesn't really believe in peace on earth and good will toward men takes a poke at me, he will leave the scene in an ambulance or a hearse. I won't settle for just getting even.


wegotabadassoverhere.jpg
 
2012-12-11 08:49:52 AM  

Thunderboy: Not my pic, but they started putting this shiat up the week before Halloween in my neighborhood.

[i13.photobucket.com image 693x482]


those bastards, have they no shame?
 
2012-12-11 08:49:54 AM  

giftedmadness: it's so funny that you libs actually believe that conservatives are racist. It's amusing.


Oh, so it was Liberals who sold the "Don't Re-Nig in 2012" bumper stickers? It was Liberals who made the "Put the White Back in the White House" t-shirts? Now that's amusing.
 
2012-12-11 08:50:24 AM  

I drunk what: RobSeace: and the atheists put one up as well

what did you have in mind?


I'm thinking a completely blank billboard would be appropriate...

No, I really have no idea... Personally, I have no problem with nativity scenes, and wouldn't feel compelled to offer any kind of counter to them... But, I was just saying that if an atheist were so offended by them as to want them removed, then instead they should put up some kind of counter-display alongside them... I have no idea what form that would take, exactly... Probably something like this:

www.theblaze.com

But, the point was that the answer to speech you disagree with should be more speech, not an attempt to silence the speech you disagree with...
 
2012-12-11 08:51:03 AM  

AnyName: Wow, some of you idiots actually try to track the "opposition" here?


Some people try to track overt trolls. It saves you a lot of time from responding to them, since, you know, trolls. They're present here on Fark, so some people casually note them.

It's not as grandiose and stupid as you make it out to be, since I'm sure you'd agree that beating your head against a troll-wall won't get you anywhere.

Poe's Law being what it is, sometimes just loudmouths get caught in the crossfire.
 
2012-12-11 08:51:30 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: way south: Jon iz teh kewl: how do you know he wasn't born in winter?

and why can't you accept it??

Not_sure_if_serious.jpg

So far as I recall, its accepted by most churches that his exact birth date isn't known.
They moved the holidays around to adapt with the Pagan cultures they were trying to convert.

/Its why anyone that tries to predict age of the earth or specific dates from bible lore comes off as a flake.
/It was ancient oral history before it was transcribed dozens of times over.
/You don't get accuracy from that.

but doesn't it make SNESE to celebrate his holiday in the pagan season, as opposed to July. so there's 1 gift giving holiday each year instead of 2??

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I understand there were summer Christian observances, but You've got to view this through the eyes of an agrarian northern culture.

Fall festivals are for harvest, spring festivals are for planting, winter solstice marks the half way point through what was likely the most dangerous and dull season.
Summer is the good times. The highlight of prayer, contemplation, worry and god fearing-ness would be in mid winter.

People want hope on the winter solstice, which is what Christs birth represents.
If I was a preacher, it would be the perfect time for delivering that message.

/No one wants to hear sermons when things are good.
/But let some shiat happen and they stack up in the pews.
 
2012-12-11 08:52:18 AM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: At some point some of these wackjobs are going to start a mini-revolution and be smacked down in a military operation that's gonna fuel Military Channel specials for the next decade.


I never considered this. That would make for some good viewing, image quality is so much better these days.
 
2012-12-11 08:53:09 AM  

liam76: If you think cool whip as a distraction, you don't understand good food.


Ugh. It takes about 12 minutes to whip up enough real whipped cream for several pies, and it's well worth the effort. It's criminal to put Cool Whip on a home baked pie, and real whipped cream can even elevate a store pie to a higher level.

Just what is Cool Whip, anyway?
 
2012-12-11 08:54:33 AM  
What I want to know is, why isn't anyone getting all worked up over the war on Sol Invictus?

/Mithras is the reason for the season.
 
2012-12-11 08:54:44 AM  

The Why Not Guy: giftedmadness: it's so funny that you libs actually believe that conservatives are racist. It's amusing.

Oh, so it was Liberals who sold the "Don't Re-Nig in 2012" bumper stickers? It was Liberals who made the "Put the White Back in the White House" t-shirts? Now that's amusing.


files.abovetopsecret.com
25.media.tumblr.com
www.thestolenolive.net

lulz republicans are the so racist, and since they are conservative that means they are afraid of homosexuals, but i repeat myself
 
2012-12-11 08:54:46 AM  
Whom Would Jesus Punch?
 
2012-12-11 08:56:10 AM  

RobSeace: Let them have their nativity scenes; it does me no harm


It does no harm to put these graven images on your own property or on the tax-free property of your local church.
There is no reason to put it on public land other than you wanting it to appear that the government endorses your superstitions.
 
2012-12-11 08:56:41 AM  
Who Would Jesus Punch?

\probably the radio host
 
2012-12-11 08:57:27 AM  
I could not care less if a Christian group puts up a nativity in a public space. No one should. But here's the thing I don't get. Christmas is actually supposed to be a somewhat sombre holiday in Christian tradition because it begins Jesus' trail and betrayal by Man. The most important and joyous of Christian holidays is Easter: the new covenant is fulfilled; Christ conquers the death and darkness of sin. But for most Christians, Easter is something of an afterthought holiday. They pay it some lip service, but that's about all. We don't often see them wanting to do passion plays and the Stations of the Cross in public spaces, on Good Friday and, when they do, the atheist thugs tend to ignore it.

Also strange about modern Christians is that Christmastide is supposed to be a 12 day celebration starting at sundown Christmas Eve and running until sundown of the Epiphany (January 6th). But for the vast majority of Christians in America, the holiday is over once the gifts are opened and they've stuffed there bellies. Attention then returns to football and after-Christmas sales. Eastertide, too is a multi-day celebration, commencing at sundown of the Saturday after Good Friday and ending on Pentecost Sunday, for a total of 50 days. The only evidence one will see of this is a white drape on a cross in front of a church (this is not a Christian tradition nor a liturgical practice, but dates back only about 30 years).
 
2012-12-11 08:58:00 AM  

quatchi: On Monday, Barber blasted the Freedom from Religion Foundation for trying to "recreate an America in their own secular, humanist, self-image."

[amptoons.com image 350x262]

The obligatory noted, sign me up as another atheist who enjoys the heck out of the Holiday season.

There's just something special about being all snug and warm inside while winter waits outside, eating goodies you only really see around this time of the year ... having a BBQ on the beach after a game of beach cricket.


That's more like it.
 
2012-12-11 09:01:23 AM  

The Why Not Guy: Just what is Cool Whip, anyway?


Delicious?

Awesome?

Deliciously awesome?

I really don't see where you're going with that question...
 
2012-12-11 09:01:35 AM  

I drunk what: The Why Not Guy: giftedmadness: it's so funny that you libs actually believe that conservatives are racist. It's amusing.

Oh, so it was Liberals who sold the "Don't Re-Nig in 2012" bumper stickers? It was Liberals who made the "Put the White Back in the White House" t-shirts? Now that's amusing.

[files.abovetopsecret.com image 621x902]
[25.media.tumblr.com image 650x475]
[www.thestolenolive.net image 850x607]

lulz republicans are the so racist, and since they are conservative that means they are afraid of homosexuals, but i repeat myself


The fact that you need someone to even explain the difference to you is sad, and explains a lot about the Conservatives' ability to comprehend context.

Plus, I don't really feel up to feeding trolls at this point, so bite me.
 
2012-12-11 09:03:09 AM  

JackieRabbit: I could not care less if a Christian group puts up a nativity in a public space. No one should. But here's the thing I don't get. Christmas is actually supposed to be a somewhat sombre holiday in Christian tradition because it begins Jesus' trail and betrayal by Man. The most important and joyous of Christian holidays is Easter: the new covenant is fulfilled; Christ conquers the death and darkness of sin. But for most Christians, Easter is something of an afterthought holiday. They pay it some lip service, but that's about all. We don't often see them wanting to do passion plays and the Stations of the Cross in public spaces, on Good Friday and, when they do, the atheist thugs tend to ignore it.

Also strange about modern Christians is that Christmastide is supposed to be a 12 day celebration starting at sundown Christmas Eve and running until sundown of the Epiphany (January 6th). But for the vast majority of Christians in America, the holiday is over once the gifts are opened and they've stuffed there bellies. Attention then returns to football and after-Christmas sales. Eastertide, too is a multi-day celebration, commencing at sundown of the Saturday after Good Friday and ending on Pentecost Sunday, for a total of 50 days. The only evidence one will see of this is a white drape on a cross in front of a church (this is not a Christian tradition nor a liturgical practice, but dates back only about 30 years).


It's almost like in America being religious is more a result of social pressure in the community than a legitimate practice of one's deeply held beliefs in a mystical power.... as if.... as if it's done for social convenience and the majority of people who claim to practice are really just going through motions because they feel like they have to.
 
2012-12-11 09:04:08 AM  

StrangeQ: The Why Not Guy: Just what is Cool Whip, anyway?

Delicious?

Awesome?

Deliciously awesome?



Amazing when frozen and eaten as ice cream?


/actually did that as a child
 
2012-12-11 09:04:34 AM  

I drunk what: i'm more concerned about the war on Christianity


Is that the one where everyone pretends to be Christians, but 95% of them have no idea what Christ even said, and of the remaining 5%, the vast majority deliberately choose not to follow what he said anyway? Because, yeah, you guys are losing that war badly...

The "Christians" that anyone else might be at "war" with are not the ones that follow the teachings of Christ... Even us atheists generally dig what Jesus had to say about most things... It's his pissed off dad's rantings we don't much care for... But, as an atheist, I'd personally love it if everyone in the world who called themselves a Christian really were a true one... The world would be a lot better place for it...
 
2012-12-11 09:07:31 AM  

RobSeace: I'm thinking a completely blank billboard would be appropriate...


that would appropriately sum up the contributions atheists make to religion, i concur

RobSeace: Probably something like this:


www.theblaze.com

you're probably right, atheists tend to make fallacious claims in order to "counter" things that make them uncomfortable

RobSeace: But, the point was that the answer to speech you disagree with should be more speech, not an attempt to silence the speech you disagree with...


so you think public holiday displays are the proper forums for theological debate?

why not just remove all religion from our government, after all just like everyone said in this thread, America was nation created by atheists for atheists, why are we wasting so much time bickering about who gets to deface public property with their fairy tale of choice...?

i say we turn the fire hoses on them and teach them a lesson, you're being far to subtle and polite
 
2012-12-11 09:08:12 AM  

hitlersbrain: Why do these things always HAVE to be on public land? Isn't there a nearby church or a private yard you can put that shiat in?


Exactly.
 
2012-12-11 09:09:38 AM  
Orginaly posted by Ishkur. Posting it here now because I see someone is spam posting trying for any bites he can get.

I see IDW is in the thread and will probably hang around and badger people. I've prepared a disclaimer for these occasions:

IDW is, essentially, the ultimate troll (with the only difference being that he's not a deliberate one). He's not interested in discussion -- he just wants to dick you around.

His MO is to seize control of the discussion and keep it, and the most basic way to do this is to withhold information from others and never acquiesce to any questions, comments or requests. By claiming some hidden truth that is beyond everyone's insight but keeping it undefined, he places himself in a role as Teacher or Guru or whatever fantasy Authority he imagines himself as. He doesn't mind arguing in his own backyard, but he'd much prefer to constantly hop from backyard to backyard, forcing you to chase him through separate, discordant arguments and fallacies of distraction. If you corner him, he'll usually chop your post up into little pieces and then reply to each piece individually with one these responses:

1) a question attacking your line of questioning, turning it back on you
2) a loaded and nonsensical analogy which may include a dodge, misdirection, or introduction of additional and usually irrelevant subject matter or
3) a sarcastic snipe at the subject and/or you (sometimes with image attached)

And then the chase begins again. There's no knowledge or wisdom to gain here (from either you or him) and he has no insights to impart. His questions have no purpose. He just wants to control you and force you to jump through his hoops that he will constantly move around on you so that you fail and he can claim superiority. You are wasting your time.

For an example, in this 3 year old thread he concocted a logic game similar to the Wason Selection Task with rules that he could change at any time for any reason, foisted it upon the thread, toyed with the posters for a whole day while refusing to give the answer, and then eventually concluded that everyone was wrong.

It's part of his technique to constantly assume Authoritarian control. He gets off on giving people challenges and quests with no point other than so he can withhold the non-existent answers from them (like his "True Definition of Nature" theory -- he poses this riddle to everyone but there's no answer. He just enjoys watching people struggle). It's the old schoolyard power trip: "I know something you don't and I won't tell you what it is".

That he's been doing this schtick for so long is an indication that he will never stop and there's nothing new to be garnered from him, like he's stuck in a perpetual feedback loop, recycling the same arguments in every thread pertinent to his special brand of Christian theology (he's probably already posted the Wason test that he so http://www.fark.com/comments/4236856/49126567#c49126567 many years ago. It's his way of dealing with the embarrassment by mocking it).

Despite the fact that he frequently loses these discussions, he'll continue posting them as if they're unsolvable, ignoring repeated and consistent replies defeating them. He has never been the type to swallow his pride and admit when he's wrong so you'll never get anywhere with him (and he'll always mock you if you try). It is very likely that he has NPD and people replying to him on Fark is how he strokes his ego so he can never stop no matter how many humiliating threads send him down in flames.

In short: He is a complete and total waste of your god damn time. Reply at your peril; I suggest ignore.
 
2012-12-11 09:10:40 AM  

0Icky0: RobSeace: Let them have their nativity scenes; it does me no harm

It does no harm to put these graven images on your own property or on the tax-free property of your local church.
There is no reason to put it on public land other than you wanting it to appear that the government endorses your superstitions.


I assume the "you" and "your" were meant generically? Because, as I already said, I'm an atheist...

But, it is public land; it's for us all to use... The Christians should get to put up their displays, as should the Jews, the Muslims, and us atheists as well, if we want to...
 
2012-12-11 09:10:40 AM  

ox45tallboy: Asa Phelps: I've never met an atheist who's been up in arms over "christmas".

Maybe a jehova's witness, but those guys don't even have birthdays of their own.

I'm an atheist, and I LOVE Christmas*. Family, gifts, vacation days from work, tons of great food, etc. Online shopping now removes the whole "braving retail stores during Christmas season" thing.

*With the possible exception of my neighbor's life-size singing Santa on their porch hooked up to a motion detector.


Hey now! What is it you have against my Santa? Fracking Scroogetastic neighbors.

/LOL
 
2012-12-11 09:11:15 AM  
Next he'll post either a copy of the above post with the names changed, or tell me Im being a good dog and to fetch and beg.
 
2012-12-11 09:14:25 AM  

Mr.Tangent: Ed Grubermann: See, we're pretty much okay with either allowing all religions with a winter holiday the ability to plant their trinkets on public land, or none of them. Not this Christians-only crap most of these Christian groups try and pull.

This one, especially those parts.


Just wait until some group wants to put up a Diwali display or a Ramadan display or a Seijin no Hi display or a Caristia display (I like that one!) or anything that smacks of any other religious, cultural, or background.

Since this is a multicultural, pluralistic country that retains aspects of several different major global cultures, we could pretty much have a display every day of some different deity, heritage, festival, or whatever. If we put our minds to it and made room for Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist, Zoroastrian, and aboriginal American peoples' festivities, we could have a rollicking good time all year round.

Imagine the hangover!
 
2012-12-11 09:15:30 AM  
Something something turn the other cheek
 
2012-12-11 09:15:54 AM  
Speaking as an atheist, I want a war on Christmas

Not Christmas Day- that's ok. I want a war on the goddamn Christmas season. I do not want to be assaulted with Christmas carols in August. I do not want Halloween decorations covered in tinsel. I do not want Thanksgiving (the best holiday of the year) to be turned into pre-black Friday sales. I am thoroughly sick of Christmas shopping and all the stress that entails.

No, I'm not merry, don't want to be merry, not going to be merry, and if you fuss at me about not saying "Merry Christmas" I'm going to jam that completely pagan Christmas tree so far up your ass you're going to cry pine needles.
 
2012-12-11 09:17:32 AM  

RobSeace: Is that the one where everyone pretends to be Christians


yep

RobSeace: but 95% of them have no idea what Christ even said


indeed

RobSeace: and of the remaining 5%, the vast majority deliberately choose not to follow what he said anyway?


that's 101%??!?!!

give some examples of this majority, and what they are failing to follow

RobSeace: Because, yeah, you guys are losing that war badly...


victory never required superior numbers, and don't mistake battles for the war

RobSeace: The "Christians" that anyone else might be at "war" with are not the ones that follow the teachings of Christ.


perhaps, we may need to ponder this a bit more

RobSeace: Even us atheists generally dig what Jesus had to say about most things


95% of them have no idea what Christ even said, and of the remaining 5%, they uninamimously deliberately choose not to follow what he said anyway

RobSeace: It's his pissed off dad's rantings we don't much care for


such as?

RobSeace: But, as an atheist, I'd personally love it if everyone in the world who called themselves a Christian really were a true one... The world would be a lot better place for it


be careful what you ask for, i concur
 
2012-12-11 09:17:58 AM  

JackieRabbit: I could not care less if a Christian group puts up a nativity in a public space. No one should. But here's the thing I don't get. Christmas is actually supposed to be a somewhat sombre holiday in Christian tradition because it begins Jesus' trail and betrayal by Man. The most important and joyous of Christian holidays is Easter: the new covenant is fulfilled; Christ conquers the death and darkness of sin. But for most Christians, Easter is something of an afterthought holiday. They pay it some lip service, but that's about all. We don't often see them wanting to do passion plays and the Stations of the Cross in public spaces, on Good Friday and, when they do, the atheist thugs tend to ignore it.

Also strange about modern Christians is that Christmastide is supposed to be a 12 day celebration starting at sundown Christmas Eve and running until sundown of the Epiphany (January 6th). But for the vast majority of Christians in America, the holiday is over once the gifts are opened and they've stuffed there bellies. Attention then returns to football and after-Christmas sales. Eastertide, too is a multi-day celebration, commencing at sundown of the Saturday after Good Friday and ending on Pentecost Sunday, for a total of 50 days. The only evidence one will see of this is a white drape on a cross in front of a church (this is not a Christian tradition nor a liturgical practice, but dates back only about 30 years).


None of that is strange when you realize that Christianity is mostly a social control mechanism. It was able to shed useless parts that weren't desirable. Who needs all those extra holidays interfering with worker output? Who needs "turn the other cheek", when you are busy instituting militarist reform in your society. Who needs loving your neighbor when the aristocrats need men to fight their proxy wars. Charity, if you need charity it means you just didn't pull those bootstraps hard enough. Better to just let those needy die.

You see, America has created a perfectly suited, perfectly efficient pseudo sub religion out Christianity. It's like Harry Fords assembly line for fundamentalism.
 
2012-12-11 09:18:47 AM  
*Henry
 
2012-12-11 09:20:09 AM  
The most violent acts this mouth-breather's ever committed have been inflicted upon the Golden Corral's inventory.
 
2012-12-11 09:20:23 AM  
Wow BamBam is branching out! I usually only see Barber in terms of his anti-gay spew.

I'm not one to USUALLY go with the "he's like this because he's really a self-hating gay man", but in Matt's case, it's kinda obvious (OK more than "kinda"). All of the postured aggression belies the lingering understanding that if he WERE to "take on" someone they might actually over-power him, and he would be "forced" to succumb to them. Watching him, you get the impression what Barber REALLY wants is to be tied up and gang banged by hairy bears, bikers, and other "real men" hearing them chant "The power of cock compels you!" until he can no longer hold back and releases his demons in a cathartic explosion of repressed energy.

Of course he'd never admit to it, but Brian Brown faps to this VERY SAME fantasy.
 
2012-12-11 09:21:05 AM  

Raharu: In short: He is a complete and total waste of your god damn time. Reply at your peril; I suggest ignore.


IDW is many things: annoying, frustrating, tenacious, stubborn, irrational, even crazy at times... But, to call him a troll is wrong... To suggest ignoring him is just a sign of a weak mind... He likes to argue, that's all... I wish he didn't delight so much in pushing people's buttons and inciting them to anger so often, but oh well... We all have our faults... Still, I think he contributes more to discussions than bullshiat like this ranting against him does...
 
2012-12-11 09:24:16 AM  

ox45tallboy: Does not approve.

Yes he does!


Are you guys going to keep going back and forth, back and forth, back and forth on this?
 
2012-12-11 09:26:54 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: grokca: Christian America taught me that pre-emptive strikes are legal, so I'm off to punch a Christian in the mouth.

how does the brimstone and fire feel


-11 C here right now, so brimstone and fire would feel great.
 
TWX
2012-12-11 09:28:30 AM  
Americans aren't Christians.

I repeat, Americans aren't Christians.

Americans, by and large, are Consumerists. They worship their chattel property, their credit limits, and their ability to buy, buy, BUY. The War on Christmas in the religious sense was lost in the 1950s with the rise of consumer culture. Religion is now franchised, with additional services for additional costs by the "faithful" with gym memberships, daycare centers, restaurants, and all other manner of otherwise-businesses tucked into the umbrella of the church.

Can you name the most important day in Christianity? I'll give you a hint, it's not the day he was born.

The most important day in Christianity is Good Friday. The day he died. The day for the death he chose to accept in order to save the souls of everyone else, a personal sacrifice in order to redeem his fellow men. If you really believe in Christianity, in Jesus, this should be the single most important day of your religious life, possibly the most important day, period. This man died for you, and that self-sacrifice, not his birth, not his miracles in curing the sick or feeding the masses, not even his resurrection should be more important to you.

If you do not feel this way then you need to seriously reconsider the nature of your faith, and why you call yourself a Christian, why you worship Jesus. If your church has chosen to do away with the icon of Jesus dying on the cross, for you, then you need to seriously reconsider your church. His death and the reasons for it are why there's a religion in the first place, and an inability to face those reasons means there's no other reason for the religion.
 
2012-12-11 09:28:44 AM  

RobSeace: Raharu: In short: He is a complete and total waste of your god damn time. Reply at your peril; I suggest ignore.

IDW is many things: annoying, frustrating, tenacious, stubborn, irrational, even crazy at times... But, to call him a troll is wrong... To suggest ignoring him is just a sign of a weak mind... He likes to argue, that's all... I wish he didn't delight so much in pushing people's buttons and inciting them to anger so often, but oh well... We all have our faults... Still, I think he contributes more to discussions than bullshiat like this ranting against him does...


Agreed - I would mark him non-troll, and harmless. i never argue with him because i never know what he's talking about, but a lot of other people seem to enjoy arguing with him, so it's all good.
 
2012-12-11 09:29:31 AM  

Raharu: Next he'll post either a copy of the above post with the names changed, or tell me Im being a good dog and to fetch and beg.


And for my next magic trick, I will prove beyond any reasonable doubt that I have prophetic powers and can predict THE FUTURE.

I bet, somewhere in this thread Raharu will post a prepared disclaimer originally authored by Ishkur, a farker with such charisma that his cult followers blindly do his ministry for him, designed to protect all precious snowflakes within the Idiot Brigade from original thought and (heaven forbid) any dissenting viewpoints :o

watch and be amazed...
 
2012-12-11 09:30:13 AM  

phaseolus: HindiDiscoMonster: I don't know how to break this to you... but I see quite a bit more Pagan decoration during Christmas than Christian... how come no Atheists attack those displays and demand the removal (from public lands) displays of Christmas trees, Santa, or other Pagan symbols... how come only Christians get the hate? Seems to me, you should attack the largest market - Pagan symbols.

Nobody worships Santa, you dolt.


Lawful evil dyslexics do.
 
2012-12-11 09:32:19 AM  

Chariset: Theologian here. Want my take on the War on Christmas?

It's the panicked, flailing reaction of the Religious Right to the sudden realization that the US is celebrating a completely secular holiday in December -- one which could go by Christmas or "the holidays" or Snowflake Day or whatever. They had liked to believe that the country went insane as a sign of religious devotion. Now they see that what is celebrated as Christmas by most of the country is not the same holiday as the Christian Christmas.

Think of it like a child born on the 4th of July. Think of the tantrum he might throw the first time he realizes that the parade and the fireworks aren't for him. "No! They're doing it for ME because it's MY BIRTHDAY!" It's like that, only with more airtime.


My mother's facebook friend started a petition to keep Santa out of Christ's birthday. They're starting to eat their own.
 
2012-12-11 09:33:19 AM  
Christmas - people spending money they don't have, to buy people they don't like, crap they don't want or need

It's all marketing to move the merch and make a profit.
 
2012-12-11 09:35:05 AM  
I just re-read the article and noticed this whole nativity scene conflict happened way back in 2008. Why the fark does anyone still give a shiat?
 
2012-12-11 09:35:26 AM  
I'm an atheist and I like Christmas. Not the stuff about the magical baby and whatnot, the secular part with roots in ancient pagan traditions that celebrates the winter solstice. It's the darkest time of the year so instead of being all dreary, how about some festivities and lights and singing and most importantly drinks? I don't mind carols or people saying Merry Christmas or whichever other holiday (I'm a fan of saying Happy Festivus). Basically, the holiday itself, to me, is about being around your friends and family and spending time together. The whole month of December and into January is all about good cheer, good will towards men, and the giving spirit. Whatever it is to anyone else, this is what it is to me. Whatever traditions you have or want to celebrate that's cool with me. We can each celebrate (or not if you prefer) in our own way.

As a non-militant atheist (ie, one who isn't anti-religion), the only people I've ever had a problem with is the ones who won't do unto others when it comes to religion. Live and let live people.
 
2012-12-11 09:36:14 AM  

WorldCitizen: ox45tallboy: Asa Phelps: I've never met an atheist who's been up in arms over "christmas".

Maybe a jehova's witness, but those guys don't even have birthdays of their own.

I'm an atheist, and I LOVE Christmas*. Family, gifts, vacation days from work, tons of great food, etc. Online shopping now removes the whole "braving retail stores during Christmas season" thing.

*With the possible exception of my neighbor's life-size singing Santa on their porch hooked up to a motion detector.

Same here. As someone who holds no religious beliefs, I quite enjoy Christmas. I don't really see what snowmen, Santa Claus, decorated pine trees, lights everywhere, and spending time and giving with friends and family has to do specifically with the birth of Jesus or even Christianity as a whole.


Another one, here.

Christmas as it's celebrated is really more of a cultural holiday than a religious one (unless you choose to go to a church service or something).

Atheist Christmas is awesome.
 
2012-12-11 09:36:16 AM  

RobSeace: IDW is many things: annoying, frustrating, tenacious, stubborn, irrational, even crazy at times... But, to call him a troll is wrong... To suggest ignoring him is just a sign of a weak mind... He likes to argue, that's all... I wish he didn't delight so much in pushing people's buttons and inciting them to anger so often, but oh well... We all have our faults... Still, I think he contributes more to discussions than bullshiat like this ranting against him does..


www.theamericanbookofthedead.com

now you farked up
 
2012-12-11 09:37:35 AM  

Wellon Dowd: Whom Would Jesus Punch?


Jews selling crap in the synagogue.
 
2012-12-11 09:37:53 AM  

I drunk what: I bet, somewhere in this thread Raharu will post a prepared disclaimer originally authored by Ishkur, a farker with such charisma that his cult followers blindly do his ministry for him, designed to protect all precious snowflakes within the Idiot Brigade from original thought and (heaven forbid) any dissenting viewpoints :o


Brilliant! You predicted THE PAST!
 
2012-12-11 09:38:15 AM  
Jesus . . .

zapt1.staticworld.net

. . . is the reason . . .

www.washingtonpost.com

. . . for the season

theposhreportonline.com

You'd think this jackhole would be thrilled that people would want to remove his religious icon from the face of a holiday that's become an effigy to mindless excess. Jesus apparently died for your bargain bins.
 
2012-12-11 09:38:25 AM  

ox45tallboy: WorldCitizen: Same here. As someone who holds no religious beliefs, I quite enjoy Christmas. I don't really see what snowmen, Santa Claus, decorated pine trees, lights everywhere, and spending time and giving with friends and family has to do specifically with the birth of Jesus or even Christianity as a whole.

When Christian people ask why I have a Christmas tree if I'm an atheist, I like to point out that the Christmas tree is pagan such as is described in Jeremiah 10:2-4:

2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.


See that is your problem. You assume that they would be interested what is in the bible apart from a few choice verses.
 
2012-12-11 09:38:42 AM  
"Grinchbongo is destroying Christmas!"

"There are 48 Christmas trees in the White House."

"What a waste of taxpayer money!"

"Dafuq?"
 
2012-12-11 09:40:36 AM  

Glockenspiel Hero: Speaking as an atheist, I want a war on Christmas

Not Christmas Day- that's ok. I want a war on the goddamn Christmas season. I do not want to be assaulted with Christmas carols in August. I do not want Halloween decorations covered in tinsel. I do not want Thanksgiving (the best holiday of the year) to be turned into pre-black Friday sales. I am thoroughly sick of Christmas shopping and all the stress that entails.

No, I'm not merry, don't want to be merry, not going to be merry, and if you fuss at me about not saying "Merry Christmas" I'm going to jam that completely pagan Christmas tree so far up your ass you're going to cry pine needles.


What you want is a war on the commercialism that has almost entirely subverted the spiritual aspects of what Christmas represents. I know a lot of devote Christians who feel the same way. This has nothing to do with your lack of faith and everything to do with the insult to your intellect. Were the common celebration in America not Christmas but Yule, we'd have the same problem.
 
2012-12-11 09:41:17 AM  

giftedmadness: L.D. Ablo: Those are the cries of a wounded, cornered and dying animal. The Scary Black Guy got re-elected, they lost the culture war and will be irrelevant in another generation.

it's so funny that you libs actually believe that conservatives are racist. It's amusing.


Not all conservatives are racist, but most racists tend to be conservatives. Or Republicans, at least (as I feel that the ideology of modern Republicans isn't particularly conservative anymore).
 
2012-12-11 09:41:48 AM  

Chariset: Think of it like a child born on the 4th of July. Think of the tantrum he might throw the first time he realizes that the parade and the fireworks aren't for him. "No! They're doing it for ME because it's MY BIRTHDAY!" It's like that, only with more airtime.


I didn't throw a tantrum. It was more of a seep seated sadness that remains with me to this day.
 
2012-12-11 09:41:59 AM  

Chariset: Theologian here. Want my take on the War on Christmas?

It's the panicked, flailing reaction of the Religious Right to the sudden realization that the US is celebrating a completely secular holiday in December -- one which could go by Christmas or "the holidays" or Snowflake Day or whatever. They had liked to believe that the country went insane as a sign of religious devotion. Now they see that what is celebrated as Christmas by most of the country is not the same holiday as the Christian Christmas.

Think of it like a child born on the 4th of July. Think of the tantrum he might throw the first time he realizes that the parade and the fireworks aren't for him. "No! They're doing it for ME because it's MY BIRTHDAY!" It's like that, only with more airtime.


That's exactly right. It's the religious right that are waging a war on the Christmas the rest of us want to celebrate.
 
2012-12-11 09:43:34 AM  
i'm an atheist, but i don't hate religion... i just hate christianity.

there are other bad ones, but it is the worst.
 
2012-12-11 09:44:01 AM  

Relatively Obscure: ox45tallboy: I submitted a TFD about it a week or so ago and the best suggestion I got was to reprogram the damn thing so it told dirty jokes. I went so far as to find the wiring scheme for one that looked just like it online, and had actually considered doing this.The following day they had turned off the motion detector, so now I'm wondering if my neighbor has TF, or possibly just realized how f*cking annoying that thing really is.

Nice. If I had those kind of skills, I'd have probably gone with uncomfortable Crazy Old Man style ranting, myself.



Use a bunch of MP3s of Uncle Ruckus' rants from "Boondocks."
 
2012-12-11 09:48:14 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Something I noticed about Atheists (at least here) is they never complain about Santa or Christmas trees and such... only about Christian decorations... I wonder why they don't attack the Pagan stuff too....

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because like most other religions, Pagans don't whine like christians do.
They get grumpy about being left out of places like Arlington National Cemetery but other than that, they're content just being recognized - see how it works?
 
2012-12-11 09:48:22 AM  
Atheist for over 30 years. There's a certain percentage of us who are complete douchebags and who do, indeed, need to be ****punched for being all douchebaggy about Christmas.
 
2012-12-11 09:49:18 AM  

Relatively Obscure: I couldn't say what the frequency was.


Thanks for nothing, Kenneth.
 
2012-12-11 09:49:42 AM  
i.imgur.com

/works for this, too
 
2012-12-11 09:49:46 AM  

I drunk what: RobSeace: and of the remaining 5%, the vast majority deliberately choose not to follow what he said anyway?

that's 101%??!?!!


?? Joke or math fail?

give some examples of this majority, and what they are failing to follow

Well, for example, take this guy suggesting violence in the name of Christ... Seems a pretty clear failure to get Jesus' message of peace and love, doesn't it?

He may not represent the majority of Christians, but him and others like him sure do seem to represent the loud public face of your religion, at least...

RobSeace: Even us atheists generally dig what Jesus had to say about most things

95% of them have no idea what Christ even said, and of the remaining 5%, they uninamimously deliberately choose not to follow what he said anyway


I think a lot of us end up "following" at least some of what he said, without even trying, just because it's generally good advice...

RobSeace: It's his pissed off dad's rantings we don't much care for

such as?


Pretty much all of them... His insecure demand to be worshipped all the time is pretty disgusting... His silly calls for animal sacrifice is primitive and barbaric... His ridiculous dietary restrictions on people are laughable... His commanding that people should be put to death for trivial "sins" is outrageous and unjust... Nearly everything he supposedly said and did is reprehensible and unworthy of the slightest respect, let alone worship... His son, on the other hand, seemed a whole lot mellower and cool...
 
2012-12-11 09:50:37 AM  

doyner: Since that's exactly what Jesus would do then it's good advice.


If you commit violence in the name of religion, be it a Crusade, a suicide bomb, vandalizing a mosque or espousing a hate crime, you have missed the point entirely.
 
2012-12-11 09:50:52 AM  
Supposedly during the Reformation, the new protestants devoted themselves to the idea of sola scriptura, or scripture only. Yeah, about that.... 

www.christmasisalie.com
www.movetoiceland.com
rlv.zcache.ca
salon.glenrose.net

If you even pretend to be a follower of Yeshua, how on Earth you take part in this evil?
 
2012-12-11 09:51:39 AM  

RobSeace: 0Icky0: RobSeace: Let them have their nativity scenes; it does me no harm

It does no harm to put these graven images on your own property or on the tax-free property of your local church.
There is no reason to put it on public land other than you wanting it to appear that the government endorses your superstitions.

I assume the "you" and "your" were meant generically? Because, as I already said, I'm an atheist...

But, it is public land; it's for us all to use... The Christians should get to put up their displays, as should the Jews, the Muslims, and us atheists as well, if we want to...


Put the Nativity scene up on the church lawn a block down from the courthouse.

Was that so difficult?
 
2012-12-11 09:54:34 AM  
Goddamnit. I'm a more of a cynical agnostic... leaning atheist. I LOVE Christmas and can't wait to get paid on Friday so I can go get my Christmas tree. Everyone else I know is the same way, most of them staunch atheists and still trim a damn tree, put up lights, do the gift giving and have parties.

Everyone needs to shut the fark up.
 
2012-12-11 09:54:47 AM  
Its not a war on Christmas actually, its the renewed attack by the cult of Mithras who wants his day back so until we acknowledge that Christmas was actually a pagan holiday which was changed to the birth of Jesus to dupe uneducated people to believe the entire Christianity thing. And Mithras says that you should buy gifts for people on Mithrasday.
 
2012-12-11 09:55:03 AM  
and now for the punchline...

I drunk what: Raharu: Next he'll post either a copy of the above post with the names changed, or tell me Im being a good dog and to fetch and beg.

And for my next magic trick, I will prove beyond any reasonable doubt that I have prophetic powers and can predict THE FUTURE.

I bet, somewhere in this thread Raharu will post a prepared disclaimer originally authored by Ishkur...


meat0918: You'd be right.

Pants full of macaroni!!: Brilliant! You predicted THE PAST FUTURE!


The Idiot Brigade actually believes this^

some might suggest that i'm an idiot because i'm pretending to be awesome and have people that disagree with me on ignore, and then pretend to be able to know what they are posting (even though i can clearly see what they are posting when someone else quotes their post, even multiple times in the same thread) and still get praise from my fellow IB for being so clever

but what do they know? they aren't freethinkers like we are
 
2012-12-11 09:55:33 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: Oblio13: If there was a Christ, he wasn't born in winter. A winter solstice celebration and the traditions of drinking, feasting, caroling, gift-giving, yule logs, bringing evergreen trees indoors, and decorating with red and green all predate Christianity. If the Jesus People want to complain about "the war on Christmas", they ought to at least be aware that they first usurped the holiday in a political power-grab.

how do you know he wasn't born in winter?

and why can't you accept it??


Probably by using more logic than statements like "PTSD isn't real." contain.
 
2012-12-11 09:55:35 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-11 09:57:28 AM  

cretinbob: Relatively Obscure: I don't really believe he meant "literally punch them in the mouth."

[0.tqn.com image 400x445]
Let's hope we don't have to find out...again


From the article... "But when a little kid is being bullied and he turns around and punches the bully in the mouth - metaphorically speaking, of course - then the bully is oftentimes proven to be a paper tiger."

Reading comprehension... FAIL

also... make sure you overlook the "MSNBC host Joe Scarborough said on Monday that it was actually the conservative talk radio hosts who needed to be "punched in the face."
 
2012-12-11 09:58:50 AM  

I drunk what: The Why Not Guy: giftedmadness: it's so funny that you libs actually believe that conservatives are racist. It's amusing.

Oh, so it was Liberals who sold the "Don't Re-Nig in 2012" bumper stickers? It was Liberals who made the "Put the White Back in the White House" t-shirts? Now that's amusing.

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[www.thestolenolive.net image 850x607]

lulz republicans are the so racist, and since they are conservative that means they are afraid of homosexuals, but i repeat myself



Are you trying to say the bush/chimp comparisons are the same as Obama/chimp comparisons? Try again. One is based on existing racial slurs against blacks and the other is all about relative intelligence and has nothing to do with race.

Troll, or just stupid?
 
2012-12-11 09:58:56 AM  

optimus_grime: i'm an atheist, but i don't hate religion... i just hate christianity.

there are other bad ones, but it is the worst.


hate? meaning u envy??
 
2012-12-11 10:00:01 AM  

RobSeace: To suggest ignoring him is just a sign of a weak mind...


How so? It's like putting people like Bevets on ignore. There's no point in arguing with them or even trying to have a discussion because they are just going to post the same copypasta and ignore all rational arguments. Better to simply ignore them and let them talk to themselves over in the corner.
 
2012-12-11 10:00:11 AM  
As a Christian, I cringe every time I see a nativity scene or other Christian symbol on public property. I wish these idiots would spend their time and energy volunteering in something that would actually make the lives of the less fortunate better instead of fighting some imaginary "war" they need to feed their desire to feel persecuted.
 
2012-12-11 10:02:04 AM  
There's a big difference between casual atheists and professional atheists, just as there are in any moral milieu such as gender and race issues, political correctness, animal rights, etc.

I find that there's an inverse relationship between how vociferous you are about your chosen crusade and the degree to which I agree with you or even care about your point.

(Side question: which is the stranger sentence: "He was a thinking Christian" or "The atheists were on a crusade."?)
 
2012-12-11 10:03:08 AM  

BELIEVING IN FAIRY TALES IS BETTER THAN NOT BELIEVING AT ALL.


/derp
 
2012-12-11 10:03:38 AM  

AnyName: Wow, some of you idiots actually try to track the "opposition" here?

You must be that little Spanish college brat I taught a lesson to all those years ago. You've been chasing these people your whole life only to have them change their user name? I think that's about the worst thing I've ever heard.
[pause]
How marvelous.


Really old troll account or just douche?

See, when someone is blatantly trolling (and there's a lot of people who do that here and they have a lot of alts), it's a lot easier to just click on their name, add a note like "blatantly trolling on racial issues," and then just ignore them in the future. It's a lot easier in the long run.

And there's a strong difference in an opposing viewpoint and someone just spamming retarded shiat in an effort to piss people off.
 
2012-12-11 10:03:47 AM  

cretinbob: Relatively Obscure: I don't really believe he meant "literally punch them in the mouth."

[0.tqn.com image 400x445]
Let's hope we don't have to find out...again


hey little brain, you do realize it was a left wing christmas hating nut that shot her not a right wing god fearing christmas loving christian.
 
2012-12-11 10:04:17 AM  

Ebbelwoi: Atheist for over 30 years. There's a certain percentage of us who are complete douchebags and who do, indeed, need to be ****punched for being all douchebaggy about Christmas.


The douchebags you refer to are what are being called "new atheists." Atheists have long fought specific battles to prevent religious dogma from being forced down everyone's throats. The fight against school prayer is a prime example. When I was in grade school in the 1960s, one was required to recite a non-denominational prayer. Atheists rightfully opposed such practices. But they also understood that religious people had just as much right to belive as they did not to belive. This isn't the case with new atheists. For them not believing in a supreme being isn't enough. They are anti-religion; they want to abolish religion. The process of social secularization is too slow for them. Some of this is simply backlash against evangelical absurdity, but for many, their primary motivation is political. They insist on perverting the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to mean that the government opposes all religions, when it's purpose is clearly to prevent the government from formulating official policy in regard to any religion, in order to promote the free practice of any religion. When one tells one of these new atheist that their point of view is actually Stalinist, they become offended.
 
2012-12-11 10:04:30 AM  

Oblio13: If there was a Christ, he wasn't born in winter. A winter solstice celebration and the traditions of drinking, feasting, caroling, gift-giving, yule logs, bringing evergreen trees indoors, and decorating with red and green all predate Christianity. If the Jesus People want to complain about "the war on Christmas", they ought to at least be aware that they first usurped the holiday in a political power-grab.


www.stlukeumc40213.org
Party on dudes!
 
2012-12-11 10:07:17 AM  

Eagle2001: As a Christian, I cringe every time I see a nativity scene or other Christian symbol on public property.


And I wonder how many of those people clamoring for the 10 Commandments to be displayed in courthouses have them displayed in their own home.

/And how many 10 Commandments and Nativity supporters don't see the contradiction in their simultaneous hatred of, and love of, graven images.
 
2012-12-11 10:07:54 AM  

Dimensio: Chariset: Theologian here. Want my take on the War on Christmas?

It's the panicked, flailing reaction of the Religious Right to the sudden realization that the US is celebrating a completely secular holiday in December -- one which could go by Christmas or "the holidays" or Snowflake Day or whatever. They had liked to believe that the country went insane as a sign of religious devotion. Now they see that what is celebrated as Christmas by most of the country is not the same holiday as the Christian Christmas.

Think of it like a child born on the 4th of July. Think of the tantrum he might throw the first time he realizes that the parade and the fireworks aren't for him. "No! They're doing it for ME because it's MY BIRTHDAY!" It's like that, only with more airtime.

Are you saying that the nation is in fact not celebrating my birthday on December 25?

/will be 35.


Mine is on the 25th too. Do you have the overall impression that your birthday is amplified somehow by the coinciding holiday or do you feel a bit ripped off? BTW, I've got about 10 years on you and no longer give much of a shiat about either one.
 
2012-12-11 10:08:01 AM  

rocketpants: hitlersbrain: Why do these things always HAVE to be on public land? Isn't there a nearby church or a private yard you can put that shiat in?

Exactly.



It has to be on public land because they're farking Xtian jihadists who believe this country and its government are THEIRS and theirs alone, so they're constantly trying to insert their Diseased Dick of Dogma into the ass of the public any way they can.

Think of the Wall of Separation of Church and State as a college freshman who's the only female at a neverending frat party, and the Xtians as drunken frat boys who keep trying to feed her drinks and roofies in a constant effort to get in her pants (or get ANY cheap thrill on the way to that ultimate goal) any way they can.

That's the macro view. On a person-by-person level, it's about dealing with their own fears by changing the world around them.
 
2012-12-11 10:10:04 AM  
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2012-12-11 10:11:54 AM  

Mose: Jorn the Younger: Nick Nostril: Jorn the Younger:

/If you have to add cool whip to distract from the flavor of your pumpkin pie, you're eating bad pie

It's all we can afford, so you can have my Cool hWhip when you pry it from my cold, dead, fat fingers.

If you can only afford bad tasting pie, why not make the pie instead? A small pumpkin hardly costs anything, and a decent vanilla ice cream only a few bucks (for in the pie, not on the pie), and pre-made pie crusts are like 2 for $1.50. There's a bit of seasonings and spices in it, sure, but I'd have to ask my lady what they are, as she does the actual making of the pie

Molasses is key. Only need a little if your squash of choice is naturally sweet. I usually make mine from my garden butternut squash.


Last T-day, an extended family member baked a sweet potato pie and *damn* it was good. I don't think anyone would have guessed it wasn't made from a orange gourd if she hadn't said so. Gonna have to get her recipe...
 
2012-12-11 10:16:01 AM  

RobSeace: I drunk what: RobSeace: and of the remaining 5%, the vast majority deliberately choose not to follow what he said anyway?

that's 101%??!?!!

?? Joke or math fail?

give some examples of this majority, and what they are failing to follow

Well, for example, take this guy suggesting violence in the name of Christ... Seems a pretty clear failure to get Jesus' message of peace and love, doesn't it?

He may not represent the majority of Christians, but him and others like him sure do seem to represent the loud public face of your religion, at least...

RobSeace: Even us atheists generally dig what Jesus had to say about most things

95% of them have no idea what Christ even said, and of the remaining 5%, they uninamimously deliberately choose not to follow what he said anyway

I think a lot of us end up "following" at least some of what he said, without even trying, just because it's generally good advice...

RobSeace: It's his pissed off dad's rantings we don't much care for

such as?

Pretty much all of them... His insecure demand to be worshipped all the time is pretty disgusting... His silly calls for animal sacrifice is primitive and barbaric... His ridiculous dietary restrictions on people are laughable... His commanding that people should be put to death for trivial "sins" is outrageous and unjust... Nearly everything he supposedly said and did is reprehensible and unworthy of the slightest respect, let alone worship... His son, on the other hand, seemed a whole lot mellower and cool...


Not to mention the whole bears thing just for making fun of a bald guy. Sheesh! Dude is a dick.
 
2012-12-11 10:17:35 AM  

giftedmadness: L.D. Ablo: Those are the cries of a wounded, cornered and dying animal. The Scary Black Guy got re-elected, they lost the culture war and will be irrelevant in another generation.

it's so funny that you libs actually believe that conservatives are racist. It's amusing.


I know conservatives are racist. I spend the holidays with some of them. In fact, I learn new racial slurs from them all the time. Just last week one used the term mooncrickets and I had to check urban dictionary to figure out which race he was insulting.

Oh, and I went to a gun show with a buddy of mine (another gun loving libtard like myself) and his not a libtard dad went along even though he said didn't need a new gun because had enough to "kill a few ni**ers".


But it's the liberals who are the real racists. Yeah.
 
2012-12-11 10:20:21 AM  

JackieRabbit: Ebbelwoi: Atheist for over 30 years. There's a certain percentage of us who are complete douchebags and who do, indeed, need to be ****punched for being all douchebaggy about Christmas.

The douchebags you refer to are what are being called "new atheists." Atheists have long fought specific battles to prevent religious dogma from being forced down everyone's throats. The fight against school prayer is a prime example. When I was in grade school in the 1960s, one was required to recite a non-denominational prayer. Atheists rightfully opposed such practices. But they also understood that religious people had just as much right to belive as they did not to belive. This isn't the case with new atheists. For them not believing in a supreme being isn't enough. They are anti-religion; they want to abolish religion. The process of social secularization is too slow for them. Some of this is simply backlash against evangelical absurdity, but for many, their primary motivation is political. They insist on perverting the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to mean that the government opposes all religions, when it's purpose is clearly to prevent the government from formulating official policy in regard to any religion, in order to promote the free practice of any religion. When one tells one of these new atheist that their point of view is actually Stalinist, they become offended.


You are pretty much wrong on every point. So wrong that you might just be the wrongest person in this thread. I bet you came pretty hard after spinning that bit of paranoid fantasy.

Hint: not wanting to live under Jesus sharia isn't "wanting to abolish religion".

I will forever reserve the right to loudly and publicly declaim that I think your religion is literally and specifically as ridiculous to believe in as Thor, Zeus, and Poseidon worship. Jesus riding a farking unicorn with a talking toad sidekick.

But no matter how childish, ignorant, inane and self contradictory I find your religion, I will defend to the death your right to observe it. But not your right to press your fundamentalism on others.

That atheists want to ban religion is what fundamentalists tell people like you to spread around the Internet.
 
2012-12-11 10:21:25 AM  
Come get some asshole
 
2012-12-11 10:24:44 AM  

JackieRabbit: The douchebags you refer to are what are being called "new atheists." Atheists have long fought specific battles to prevent religious dogma from being forced down everyone's throats. The fight against school prayer is a prime example. When I was in grade school in the 1960s, one was required to recite a non-denominational prayer. Atheists rightfully opposed such practices. But they also understood that religious people had just as much right to belive as they did not to belive. This isn't the case with new atheists. For them not believing in a supreme being isn't enough. They are anti-religion; they want to abolish religion. The process of social secularization is too slow for them. Some of this is simply backlash against evangelical absurdity, but for many, their primary motivation is political. They insist on perverting the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to mean that the government opposes all religions, when it's purpose is clearly to prevent the government from formulating official policy in regard to any religion, in order to promote the free practice of any religion. When one tells one of these new atheist that their point of view is actually Stalinist, they become offended.


Well if you believe one stupid thing already, you might as well believe this stupid thing, too.
 
2012-12-11 10:25:31 AM  

HypnozombieX: Come get some asshole


I really hope there was supposed to be a comma in there.
 
2012-12-11 10:25:43 AM  

Chariset: Theologian here. Want my take on the War on Christmas?

It's the panicked, flailing reaction of the Religious Right to the sudden realization that the US is celebrating a completely secular holiday in December -- one which could go by Christmas or "the holidays" or Snowflake Day or whatever. They had liked to believe that the country went insane as a sign of religious devotion. Now they see that what is celebrated as Christmas by most of the country is not the same holiday as the Christian Christmas.

Think of it like a child born on the 4th of July. Think of the tantrum he might throw the first time he realizes that the parade and the fireworks aren't for him. "No! They're doing it for ME because it's MY BIRTHDAY!" It's like that, only with more airtime.


EXACTLY
 
2012-12-11 10:27:16 AM  

Mr. Cat Poop: giftedmadness: L.D. Ablo: Those are the cries of a wounded, cornered and dying animal. The Scary Black Guy got re-elected, they lost the culture war and will be irrelevant in another generation.

it's so funny that you libs actually believe that conservatives are racist. It's amusing.

I know conservatives are racist. I spend the holidays with some of them. In fact, I learn new racial slurs from them all the time. Just last week one used the term mooncrickets and I had to check urban dictionary to figure out which race he was insulting.

Oh, and I went to a gun show with a buddy of mine (another gun loving libtard like myself) and his not a libtard dad went along even though he said didn't need a new gun because had enough to "kill a few ni**ers".


But it's the liberals who are the real racists. Yeah.



Same experiences. So many I've lost count. When black guys are around, they're all smiles or quiet as church mice. When they're gone, the racist comments come out. Black people are right to be suspicious of Republicans.

But to the GOP apologists, that doesn't matter since support of social programs is "liberal racism" because it supposedly assumes minorities can't manage their own lives (but that doesn't stop the GOP from doing the same thing). Or else they'll tell you stories about "northern liberals" (Boston, usually) who are "union thugs" and racist, which means that it balances out and ALL liberals are racist and the whole thing we see over and over for years with the deep south and right wingers is all some kind of mirage.
 
2012-12-11 10:31:50 AM  

keylock71: Churches, Synagogs, and private citizens are free to put up all the religious displays on their property they want last I checked. No reason to use public land at all.


It's almost - just almost - as if they're not content to enjoy their religion amongst themselves. But nah, organized religions have never tried to force their beliefs on others before...