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(The Raw Story)   Christian radio host: Punch atheists 'in the mouth' for their 'war on Christmas'   (rawstory.com ) divider line 547
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2012-12-10 11:41:45 PM  
Since that's exactly what Jesus would do then it's good advice.
 
2012-12-10 11:47:47 PM  
The war on Xmas is all in some peoples tiny, deluded minds
 
2012-12-10 11:49:13 PM  
Meh. He was just saying that he thinks we atheists are all being big meanie-heads and we should be stood up to. I don't really believe he meant "literally punch them in the mouth." I do believe he's kind of an idiot, though.
 
2012-12-10 11:49:59 PM  
Theologian here. Want my take on the War on Christmas?

It's the panicked, flailing reaction of the Religious Right to the sudden realization that the US is celebrating a completely secular holiday in December -- one which could go by Christmas or "the holidays" or Snowflake Day or whatever. They had liked to believe that the country went insane as a sign of religious devotion. Now they see that what is celebrated as Christmas by most of the country is not the same holiday as the Christian Christmas.

Think of it like a child born on the 4th of July. Think of the tantrum he might throw the first time he realizes that the parade and the fireworks aren't for him. "No! They're doing it for ME because it's MY BIRTHDAY!" It's like that, only with more airtime.
 
2012-12-10 11:52:36 PM  
You first, badass.
 
2012-12-10 11:53:37 PM  
oh good. This won't end poorly.
 
2012-12-10 11:56:36 PM  
At some point some of these wackjobs are going to start a mini-revolution and be smacked down in a military operation that's gonna fuel Military Channel specials for the next decade.
 
2012-12-10 11:57:18 PM  

Relatively Obscure: I don't really believe he meant "literally punch them in the mouth."


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Let's hope we don't have to find out...again
 
2012-12-11 12:02:54 AM  

cretinbob: Relatively Obscure: I don't really believe he meant "literally punch them in the mouth."

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Let's hope we don't have to find out...again


zomgbullseyemap
 
2012-12-11 12:03:26 AM  
Hey, looks like we finally found someone engaged in an actual Christmas War.
 
2012-12-11 12:04:07 AM  
That led to a federal lawsuit and the United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit ruled earlier this year that Satawa could continue to display his creche.

Curious about that one. So they got their way and the nativity is allowed to remain yet they're STILL pissed? Talk about sore winners.

And as Jon Stewart said the other night (paraphrasing): "If there's a war on Christmas, Christmas is winning because it's started EATING OTHER HOLIDAYS."
 
2012-12-11 12:07:31 AM  
Those are the cries of a wounded, cornered and dying animal. The Scary Black Guy got re-elected, they lost the culture war and will be irrelevant in another generation.
 
2012-12-11 12:09:06 AM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: At some point some of these wackjobs are going to start a mini-revolution and be smacked down in a military operation that's gonna fuel Military Channel specials for the next decade.


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2012-12-11 12:11:11 AM  

L.D. Ablo: Those are the cries of a wounded, cornered and dying animal. The Scary Black Guy got re-elected, they lost the culture war and will be irrelevant in another generation.


it's so funny that you libs actually believe that conservatives are racist. It's amusing.
 
2012-12-11 12:18:50 AM  

giftedmadness: L.D. Ablo: Those are the cries of a wounded, cornered and dying animal. The Scary Black Guy got re-elected, they lost the culture war and will be irrelevant in another generation.

it's so funny that you libs actually believe that conservatives are racist. It's amusing.


I'm still trying to decide which login you were using before the election. Never saw you post before two weeks or so ago, and a whole bunch haven't showed since November 6th.
 
2012-12-11 12:20:05 AM  

giftedmadness: it's so funny that you libs actually believe that conservatives are racist. It's amusing.


Well, I guess you're right. Conservatives being racist isn't funny. More like sad.
 
2012-12-11 12:22:26 AM  

giftedmadness: L.D. Ablo: Those are the cries of a wounded, cornered and dying animal. The Scary Black Guy got re-elected, they lost the culture war and will be irrelevant in another generation.

it's so funny that you libs actually believe that conservatives are racist. It's amusing.


Is this the new Mike Lowell? At least Mike is humorous in his over the top rants full of stupid.
 
2012-12-11 12:23:51 AM  
"You know, what do you do with a bully?" he explained. "If a bully keeps getting his way and intimidating kids on the playground and nobody stands up for themselves then the bully is encouraged and emboldened and continues to bully more and more people.

The author is right. Atheists should stand up to people who demand that everyone else live their lives a certain way because "God said so". Every time the Christians win some kind of battle like transvaginal ultrasounds or what not, they become encouraged and emboldened and go for things like demanding Creationism be taught in science class.

I like this author. He makes pretty good points.
 
2012-12-11 12:24:21 AM  

GAT_00: I'm still trying to decide which login you were using before the election. Never saw you post before two weeks or so ago, and a whole bunch haven't showed since November 6th.


He was around before the election. I couldn't say what the frequency was.
 
2012-12-11 12:25:09 AM  
Guy wanting to impose his religion on others through their own government while saying people should be punched in the face for standing up for freedom of religion (FTFA): "You know, what do you do with a bully?" he explained. "If a bully keeps getting his way and intimidating kids on the playground and nobody stands up for themselves then the bully is encouraged and emboldened and continues to bully more and more people. But when a little kid is being bullied and he turns around and punches the bully in the mouth - metaphorically speaking, of course - then the bully is oftentimes proven to be a paper tiger."

Apparently, this guy wouldn't recognize himself in a mirror.
 
2012-12-11 12:25:37 AM  

clancifer: Is this the new Mike Lowell? At least Mike is humorous in his over the top rants full of stupid.


He wishes. Mike is always on the perfect side of Poe's Law. This guy just wants reactions, rather than to provide amusement.
 
2012-12-11 12:26:11 AM  

Relatively Obscure: GAT_00: I'm still trying to decide which login you were using before the election. Never saw you post before two weeks or so ago, and a whole bunch haven't showed since November 6th.

He was around before the election. I couldn't say what the frequency was.


Huh. Well, I hadn't noticed him.
 
2012-12-11 12:28:59 AM  

clancifer: giftedmadness: L.D. Ablo: Those are the cries of a wounded, cornered and dying animal. The Scary Black Guy got re-elected, they lost the culture war and will be irrelevant in another generation.

it's so funny that you libs actually believe that conservatives are racist. It's amusing.

Is this the new Mike Lowell? At least Mike is humorous in his over the top rants full of stupid.


Satirical, almost.

Huh.
 
2012-12-11 12:29:32 AM  

Relatively Obscure: I couldn't say what the frequency was.


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/approves
 
2012-12-11 12:30:43 AM  
I've never met an atheist who's been up in arms over "christmas".

Maybe a jehova's witness, but those guys don't even have birthdays of their own.
 
2012-12-11 12:31:11 AM  

GAT_00: Relatively Obscure: GAT_00: I'm still trying to decide which login you were using before the election. Never saw you post before two weeks or so ago, and a whole bunch haven't showed since November 6th.

He was around before the election. I couldn't say what the frequency was.

Huh. Well, I hadn't noticed him.


I think he has been far more active lately.
 
2012-12-11 12:39:02 AM  

Asa Phelps: I've never met an atheist who's been up in arms over "christmas".

Maybe a jehova's witness, but those guys don't even have birthdays of their own.


I'm an atheist, and I LOVE Christmas*. Family, gifts, vacation days from work, tons of great food, etc. Online shopping now removes the whole "braving retail stores during Christmas season" thing.

*With the possible exception of my neighbor's life-size singing Santa on their porch hooked up to a motion detector.
 
2012-12-11 12:40:44 AM  

ox45tallboy: Asa Phelps: I've never met an atheist who's been up in arms over "christmas".

Maybe a jehova's witness, but those guys don't even have birthdays of their own.

I'm an atheist, and I LOVE Christmas*. Family, gifts, vacation days from work, tons of great food, etc. Online shopping now removes the whole "braving retail stores during Christmas season" thing.

*With the possible exception of my neighbor's life-size singing Santa on their porch hooked up to a motion detector.


Does it move? What happens if you get an identical Santa and square it off with his?
 
2012-12-11 12:46:12 AM  

ox45tallboy: Relatively Obscure: I couldn't say what the frequency was.

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/approves


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/does not approve
 
2012-12-11 12:48:04 AM  

ox45tallboy: Asa Phelps: I've never met an atheist who's been up in arms over "christmas".

Maybe a jehova's witness, but those guys don't even have birthdays of their own.

I'm an atheist, and I LOVE Christmas*. Family, gifts, vacation days from work, tons of great food, etc. Online shopping now removes the whole "braving retail stores during Christmas season" thing.

*With the possible exception of my neighbor's life-size singing Santa on their porch hooked up to a motion detector.


Same here. As someone who holds no religious beliefs, I quite enjoy Christmas. I don't really see what snowmen, Santa Claus, decorated pine trees, lights everywhere, and spending time and giving with friends and family has to do specifically with the birth of Jesus or even Christianity as a whole.
 
2012-12-11 12:48:29 AM  

Relatively Obscure: Does it move? What happens if you get an identical Santa and square it off with his?


I submitted a TFD about it a week or so ago and the best suggestion I got was to reprogram the damn thing so it told dirty jokes. I went so far as to find the wiring scheme for one that looked just like it online, and had actually considered doing this.The following day they had turned off the motion detector, so now I'm wondering if my neighbor has TF, or possibly just realized how f*cking annoying that thing really is.
 
2012-12-11 12:56:14 AM  

WorldCitizen: Same here. As someone who holds no religious beliefs, I quite enjoy Christmas. I don't really see what snowmen, Santa Claus, decorated pine trees, lights everywhere, and spending time and giving with friends and family has to do specifically with the birth of Jesus or even Christianity as a whole.


When Christian people ask why I have a Christmas tree if I'm an atheist, I like to point out that the Christmas tree is pagan such as is described in Jeremiah 10:2-4:

2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
 
2012-12-11 01:07:01 AM  

ox45tallboy: I submitted a TFD about it a week or so ago and the best suggestion I got was to reprogram the damn thing so it told dirty jokes. I went so far as to find the wiring scheme for one that looked just like it online, and had actually considered doing this.The following day they had turned off the motion detector, so now I'm wondering if my neighbor has TF, or possibly just realized how f*cking annoying that thing really is.


Nice. If I had those kind of skills, I'd have probably gone with uncomfortable Crazy Old Man style ranting, myself.
 
2012-12-11 01:07:39 AM  
Well, if I was the kind of person who would do such a thing. I'd ACTUALLY probably just suffer in silence and maybe biatch on the Internet.
 
2012-12-11 01:12:56 AM  

Relatively Obscure: Nice. If I had those kind of skills, I'd have probably gone with uncomfortable Crazy Old Man style ranting, myself.


Honestly, the skills weren't the problem. Replacing a ROM chip would take about 10 minutes or so, and it's not that hard. I'm currently at my sister's house in semi-rural Alabama where everyone has guns and sneaking onto someone else's porch in the middle of the night, especially considering the number of other Christmas lights they have illuminating their yard, takes a good bit of thrill-seeking I find myself lacking as I've gotten older.
 
2012-12-11 01:17:59 AM  
On Monday, Barber blasted the Freedom from Religion Foundation for trying to "recreate an America in their own secular, humanist, self-image."

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The obligatory noted, sign me up as another atheist who enjoys the heck out of the Holiday season.

There's just something special about being all snug and warm inside while winter waits outside, eating goodies you only really see around this time of the year, seeing friends and family you may not have seen in a while, warbling drunkenly off key to the Mr Heat Miser song when the ole Rankin Bass lineup gets aired, all that.

/Might just be me on that last one.
 
2012-12-11 01:32:35 AM  
I am a Buddhist who enjoys the Christmas season.

This sort of asshat does a lot more damage to the spirit of the season.
 
2012-12-11 01:46:30 AM  

hubiestubert: I am a Buddhist who enjoys the Christmas season.

This sort of asshat does a lot more damage to the spirit of the season.


Honest question, do Buddhists celebrate any Buddhist holidays?
 
2012-12-11 01:59:35 AM  
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Et tu, Papa Bear?
 
2012-12-11 02:03:32 AM  

Sgt Otter: [img.photobucket.com image 442x448]

Et tu, Papa Bear?


Perfect for Kwanzaa!
 
2012-12-11 02:10:32 AM  
Actually, it's the war against Festivus, but no one notices.
 
2012-12-11 02:18:12 AM  
Let's start feeding Christians to the lions again -"metaphorically speaking".

Perhaps then they will go back to the actual teachings and ideals in the Bible.
 
2012-12-11 02:26:03 AM  

ox45tallboy: Honest question, do Buddhists celebrate any Buddhist holidays?


yes

//holiday actually comes from the Hindus
 
2012-12-11 02:27:21 AM  
Can I agree that there's no war on Christmas, but still think that some atheists need a good punch in the mouth?

Is that a defensible point of view?
 
2012-12-11 02:29:40 AM  

PreMortem: Let's start feeding Christians to the lions again -"metaphorically speaking".

Perhaps then they will go back to the actual teachings and ideals in the Bible.


This.
Let people celebrate whatever they want. I have this crazy notion that if you are secure in your own lifestyle and belief system you won't be bothered by others.
However, I'd like to give a swift kick in the junk to the inventor of canned holiday muzak. The Cheap Trick ripoff of 'I want you for Christmas' made me stabby.
 
2012-12-11 02:33:03 AM  

Rev.K: Can I agree that there's no war on Christmas, but still think that some atheists need a good punch in the mouth?

Is that a defensible point of view?


I'm sure some of any group you can conceive would be punchable. It really just depends on your reasons.
 
2012-12-11 02:47:31 AM  

cretinbob: ox45tallboy: Honest question, do Buddhists celebrate any Buddhist holidays?

yes

//holiday actually comes from the Hindus


From your link:

Typically on a festival day, lay people will go the the local temple or monastery and offer food to the monks and take the Five Precepts and listen to a Dharma talk....

Kathina Ceremony: It is the time of the year when new robes and other requisites may be offered by the laity to the monks.

Abhidhamma Day: People clean their houses and wash their clothes and enjoy sprinkling perfumed water on the monks...

You sure the monks aren't sneaking a few in on everyone? I mean, they're the ones in charge of letting everyone know about the festivals, right?
 
2012-12-11 02:53:59 AM  

ox45tallboy: You sure the monks aren't sneaking a few in on everyone? I mean, they're the ones in charge of letting everyone know about the festivals, right?


So, pretty much the same as any other religion throughout time?
 
2012-12-11 03:03:04 AM  

Relatively Obscure: So, pretty much the same as any other religion throughout time?


Yeah, I guess. I don't know about the whole "spray perfumed water on the monks" thing, I got rather upset at a lady at the cosmetics counter at Belk once, but that's a different story.

But if it meant free food every festival, and new threads and goodies once a year, I guess I could live with it. Although I'm inclined to think this one came about either as a joke played by some kid or there was a monastery that didn't take baths a long time ago, and that festival was just before another festival where they had to crowd into a big room with all of the laity...
 
2012-12-11 03:07:13 AM  

ox45tallboy: Relatively Obscure: So, pretty much the same as any other religion throughout time?

Yeah, I guess. I don't know about the whole "spray perfumed water on the monks" thing, I got rather upset at a lady at the cosmetics counter at Belk once, but that's a different story.

But if it meant free food every festival, and new threads and goodies once a year, I guess I could live with it. Although I'm inclined to think this one came about either as a joke played by some kid or there was a monastery that didn't take baths a long time ago, and that festival was just before another festival where they had to crowd into a big room with all of the laity...


Okay, I dunno about the perfumed water specifically. But "no, seriously, leave your sacrificed food animals here and they'll totally get eaten" or "hey, leave gifts or money here and we'll ship it straight to the bosses" has been around, I imagine, since folks were still chilling in caves.
 
2012-12-11 03:16:11 AM  

Relatively Obscure: Okay, I dunno about the perfumed water specifically. But "no, seriously, leave your sacrificed food animals here and they'll totally get eaten" or "hey, leave gifts or money here and we'll ship it straight to the bosses" has been around, I imagine, since folks were still chilling in caves.


Or at least as long as the first guy got the idea of speaking to the gods and telling everyone else he couldn't work because work interfered with his communications with the gods, and the gods demanded that the people treat their servant well, and only offer the best of the flock and finest of the harvest, and I'll need a nice comfy chair, it's so tiring speaking to the gods you know, and while you're at a nice cup of Chateau Eau Vale '08 BCE would go wonderfully with this broiled venison au poivre, and better make it in a gold cup, wouldn't want the gods to think you were holding out on them, they know about that sort of thing, mind you!
 
2012-12-11 03:56:12 AM  

ox45tallboy: Relatively Obscure: I couldn't say what the frequency was.

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/approves


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Does not approve.
 
2012-12-11 04:20:38 AM  

DrPainMD: ox45tallboy: Relatively Obscure: I couldn't say what the frequency was.

[www.blogcdn.com image 200x225]

/approves

[upload.wikimedia.org image 230x266]
Does not approve.


Yes he does!
 
2012-12-11 04:59:54 AM  

Rev.K: Can I agree that there's no war on Christmas, but still think that some atheists need a good punch in the mouth?

Is that a defensible point of view?


You really need to brush up on the gospels, my friend.
 
2012-12-11 06:01:52 AM  

giftedmadness: it's so funny that you libs actually believe that conservatives are racist. It's amusing.


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2012-12-11 07:15:53 AM  

Relatively Obscure: GAT_00: I'm still trying to decide which login you were using before the election. Never saw you post before two weeks or so ago, and a whole bunch haven't showed since November 6th.

He was around before the election. I couldn't say what the frequency was.


The frequency is 7.027 MHz. Better bring your A game, because I send *FAST*.
 
2012-12-11 07:16:27 AM  
classic Christianity.

order people to do violent actions. and the ones that follow are labeled sinners. standard practice
 
2012-12-11 07:17:16 AM  

cretinbob: The war on Xmas is all in some peoples tiny, deluded minds


This.

Although to be more precise, upper-middle class suburban Christians LOVE the drama of feeling like they're embattled and persecuted. It falls very closely to the "first world problems" meme.
 
2012-12-11 07:19:28 AM  
Obama Says "Argue With Them, Get In Their Face"

/Its OK when he does it

Obama: 'If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun ...

//Its still OK when he does it
 
2012-12-11 07:20:17 AM  
I'm pretty sure when the J-dog talked about turning cheeks it was totally about punching people in the face.
 
2012-12-11 07:21:51 AM  
Is this the thread where we bash all Christianity for the acts/words of one self-proclaimed Christian?

/gets popcorn
 
2012-12-11 07:24:29 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: Rev.K: Can I agree that there's no war on Christmas, but still think that some atheists need a good punch in the mouth?

Is that a defensible point of view?

You really need to brush up on the gospels, my friend.


As a Christian, I think there are a number of people who would benefit from a good punch in the face. Pat Robertson might top my list. Falwell would have, but, well... it's a lot of digging first.

Everyone has the right to freedom of religion, but that doesn't carry over to people of my own religion being stupid and making the world worse.

To the rest of you, have a merry festivus.and a cromulent renewal of your time tracking sheet!
 
2012-12-11 07:24:54 AM  

giftedmadness: it's so funny that you libs actually believe that conservatives are racist. It's amusing.


Now, where would we have gotten that idea?

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www.theawl.com
 
2012-12-11 07:24:55 AM  

kid_icarus: cretinbob: The war on Xmas is all in some peoples tiny, deluded minds

This.

Although to be more precise, upper-middle class suburban Christians LOVE the drama of feeling like they're embattled and persecuted. It falls very closely to the "first world problems" meme.


Christianity is the religion of persecution. It's so ingrained in the belief system that if they are not being persecuted they invent imaginary persecutions. They still haven't figured out that the Jews and the pagan Romans no longer outnumber them.
 
2012-12-11 07:25:38 AM  
an incredible amount of people who were raised on 'thou shall not kill' join the military to do or die every year. as long as you're tossing around that war word and everything.

/hypocrites & holidays
 
2012-12-11 07:25:53 AM  

ox45tallboy: DrPainMD: ox45tallboy: Relatively Obscure: I couldn't say what the frequency was.

[www.blogcdn.com image 200x225]

/approves

[upload.wikimedia.org image 230x266]
Does not approve.

Yes he does!


Hertz would never approve of someone not knowing what the frequency was.
 
2012-12-11 07:26:18 AM  

INeedAName: Darth_Lukecash: Rev.K: Can I agree that there's no war on Christmas, but still think that some atheists need a good punch in the mouth?

Is that a defensible point of view?

You really need to brush up on the gospels, my friend.

As a Christian, I think there are a number of people who would benefit from a good punch in the face. Pat Robertson might top my list. Falwell would have, but, well... it's a lot of digging first.

Everyone has the right to freedom of religion, but that doesn't carry over to people of my own religion being stupid and making the world worse.

To the rest of you, have a merry festivus.and a cromulent renewal of your time tracking sheet!


wow... now i feel old... i remember when that was a common term.
 
2012-12-11 07:28:14 AM  

Rev.K: Can I agree that there's no war on Christmas, but still think that some atheists need a good punch in the mouth?

Is that a defensible point of view?


As an atheist I would agree, some people don't know when to pick their battles.
 
2012-12-11 07:28:18 AM  

KrispyKritter: an incredible amount of people who were raised on 'thou shall not killmurder join the military to do or die every year. as long as you're tossing around that war word and everything.

/hypocrites & holidays


/FTFY
 
2012-12-11 07:28:53 AM  

Onkel Buck: Obama Says "Argue With Them, Get In Their Face"

/Its OK when he does it

Obama: 'If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun ...

//Its still OK when he does it


The humor here is found in the fact that this so-called Christian is proposing a very unChristian act at Christmas in defense of Christmas.

Try to keep up.
 
2012-12-11 07:29:45 AM  

KrispyKritter: an incredible amount of people who were raised on 'thou shall not kill' join the military to do or die every year. as long as you're tossing around that war word and everything.

/hypocrites & holidays


the military is for people who think killing's ok. while Christianity is against that, we still encourage Christians to join, it's like tempting them to sin. they love it
 
2012-12-11 07:30:21 AM  
The Religion of Peace, ladies and gentlemen.
 
2012-12-11 07:30:36 AM  

Mr.Tangent: Rev.K: Can I agree that there's no war on Christmas, but still think that some atheists need a good punch in the mouth?

Is that a defensible point of view?

As an atheist I would agree, some people don't know when to pick their battles.


Thirded. Militant Atheist groups who reflexively quash creches like this are [nothelping.jpg]
 
2012-12-11 07:30:50 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: INeedAName:
Darth_Lukecash: To the rest of you, have a merry festivus.and a cromulent renewal of your time tracking sheet!

wow... now i feel old... i remember when that was a common term.


Well, in that case, I hope you will not object if I offer you my most enthusiastic contrafribularities.
 
2012-12-11 07:30:56 AM  
Have you ever had to deal with a militant atheist spouting off about their non beliefs? Just really going on and on naively like if there was no religion there would be no troubles in the world. I want to smack them in the mouth, too.
 
2012-12-11 07:30:57 AM  
What war on christmas? Atheists don't have a beef with Santa and Frosty, and they are what christmas is all about.
 
2012-12-11 07:31:31 AM  
Heh. Festivus like in that 90s sitcom 'Seinfeld' right?
 
2012-12-11 07:31:49 AM  

DrPainMD: Hertz would never approve of someone not knowing what the frequency was.


I prefer Enterprise myself.
 
2012-12-11 07:32:01 AM  

Rattlehead: The Religion of Peace, ladies and gentlemen.


I thought that was a ™ of Islam here on Fark™
 
2012-12-11 07:32:46 AM  

Relatively Obscure: cretinbob: Relatively Obscure: I don't really believe he meant "literally punch them in the mouth."

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Let's hope we don't have to find out...again

zomgbullseyemap


You mean Republicans might get exactly what they want again and still get to complain about it?
 
2012-12-11 07:32:55 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: What war on christmas? Atheists don't have a beef with Santa and Frosty, and they are what christmas is all about.


Don't forget the cookies!
 
2012-12-11 07:33:11 AM  

Ed Grubermann: HindiDiscoMonster: INeedAName:
Darth_Lukecash: To the rest of you, have a merry festivus.and a cromulent renewal of your time tracking sheet!

wow... now i feel old... i remember when that was a common term.

Well, in that case, I hope you will not object if I offer you my most enthusiastic contrafribularities.


bastard... dammit... shiat, i am going back to bed... as soon as i find my walker.
 
2012-12-11 07:33:40 AM  
Why do these things always HAVE to be on public land? Isn't there a nearby church or a private yard you can put that shiat in?
 
2012-12-11 07:34:27 AM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: Heh. Festivus like in that 90s sitcom 'Seinfeld' right?


Figured that out on your own, or did mommy help you?
 
2012-12-11 07:35:45 AM  

hitlersbrain: Why do these things always HAVE to be on public land? Isn't there a nearby church or a private yard you can put that shiat in?


Because they know it will stir up shiat and they can feel all persecuted about it.
 
2012-12-11 07:36:33 AM  

hitlersbrain: Why do these things always HAVE to be on public land? Isn't there a nearby church or a private yard you can put that shiat in?


That wouldn't earn any attention or jesus points.
 
2012-12-11 07:37:20 AM  
Come at me, bro
 
2012-12-11 07:37:22 AM  
I am all for punching atheists in the mouth....if they get to punch christians in the cock. It might cut down a bit on the altar boy molestations.

Meanwhile, those of us who sit nicely in the middle can buy tickets to the atheist/christian mouth/cock punch-off.
 
2012-12-11 07:37:49 AM  
Something I noticed about Atheists (at least here) is they never complain about Santa or Christmas trees and such... only about Christian decorations... I wonder why they don't attack the Pagan stuff too....

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-11 07:38:11 AM  
FTA: Conservative Christian radio host Matt Barber says that an atheist group should be punched "in the mouth" after they filed a complaint that sought to stop a Michigan man from erecting a nativity scene on public land.

Why can't the religious assholes get it through their teeny little brains that if they want to put up a religious 'whatever', do it on private property and nobody will have a problem with it. The religious assholes keep trying to push the bounds, to try to make their religion basically endorsed by the government.
 
2012-12-11 07:39:43 AM  

MythDragon: I am all for punching atheists in the mouth....if they get to punch christians in the cock. It might cut down a bit on the altar boy molestations.

Meanwhile, those of us who sit nicely in the middle can buy tickets to the atheist/christian mouth/cock punch-off.


people who sit in the middle of the street get run over by both sides of traffic...

/just sayin'
 
2012-12-11 07:42:31 AM  

GAT_00: Hey, looks like we finally found someone engaged in an actual Christmas War.


No sh*t. They're the ones propagating this 'war.' The rest of us just want to say "Happy holidays" without incident. And the acknowledgment that maybe Christian themes are not to be erected on public land just means we actually give a damn what this country is supposed to stand for. It isn't the nativity scenes themselves; it's the concept that America has a clearly defined wall between personal cosmology and our government.

I'm not the one overreacting, here. This dick is.
 
2012-12-11 07:43:40 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Something I noticed about Atheists (at least here) is they never complain about Santa or Christmas trees and such... only about Christian decorations... I wonder why they don't attack the Pagan stuff too....

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Other than calling pagans tree-hugging, crystal-gazing, patchouli-sniffing morons? Nope. We never say shiat about them. And no, we don't give a damn about Christian decorations on private land. It's when the Christians insist on trying to put their religious decorations of public land that we get a little pissy. See, we're pretty much okay with either allowing all religions with a winter holiday the ability to plant their trinkets on public land, or none of them. Not this Christians-only crap most of these Christian groups try and pull.
 
2012-12-11 07:43:48 AM  
No bullshiat, there I was six clicks south of the bombed out remains of a Wendy's when I realized it. We weren't going home, the Christmas Wars will never end. I blame the traitors. The secularists pushed their "Holiday War" agenda too far, sucking in the most vocal of all Christians, Kanye West. "Money talks, Jesus walks" he said before executing Santa on the steps of Capitol Hill. That was eight years ago. Christmas is mostly a legend now, nobody is alive that remembers time before the war. Except me. I remember hiding every year with my family as we tried to come up with methods of subversive deception. We'd make gingerbread 9/11s and sing carols by morse code. I even shaved a Crèche into my pubic hair. If we just had the fortitude to punch them in the mouth when we had the chance.
 
2012-12-11 07:46:25 AM  

Ed Grubermann: See, we're pretty much okay with either allowing all religions with a winter holiday the ability to plant their trinkets on public land, or none of them. Not this Christians-only crap most of these Christian groups try and pull.


This one, especially those parts.
 
2012-12-11 07:46:42 AM  
Not very Christ-like of them.
 
2012-12-11 07:46:52 AM  
OK, so you can't smite an atheist. Just who the hell can you smite?
 
2012-12-11 07:47:06 AM  
As a Christian, this guy is running an anti-ministry. Way to well out your faith for ratings, brah.
 
2012-12-11 07:48:15 AM  
If anything, there's a war on it not being Christmas.

Decorations on sale earlier than Halloween. Stores playing nothing but Christmas music early in November. And even Black Friday being moved earlier. Christmas has invaded Thanksgiving. Who's warring who here?
 
2012-12-11 07:48:19 AM  

Ed Grubermann: HindiDiscoMonster: Something I noticed about Atheists (at least here) is they never complain about Santa or Christmas trees and such... only about Christian decorations... I wonder why they don't attack the Pagan stuff too....

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 240x336]

Other than calling pagans tree-hugging, crystal-gazing, patchouli-sniffing morons? Nope. We never say shiat about them. And no, we don't give a damn about Christian decorations on private land. It's when the Christians insist on trying to put their religious decorations of public land that we get a little pissy. See, we're pretty much okay with either allowing all religions with a winter holiday the ability to plant their trinkets on public land, or none of them. Not this Christians-only crap most of these Christian groups try and pull.


I don't know how to break this to you... but I see quite a bit more Pagan decoration during Christmas than Christian... how come no Atheists attack those displays and demand the removal (from public lands) displays of Christmas trees, Santa, or other Pagan symbols... how come only Christians get the hate? Seems to me, you should attack the largest market - Pagan symbols.
 
2012-12-11 07:50:50 AM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: At some point some of these wackjobs are going to start a mini-revolution and be smacked down in a military operation that's gonna fuel Military Channel specials for the next decade.


Is happened already.

dl.dropbox.com

Was not great success for to be honored by generations of warriors.

/Was, how you say, total failure. 
/Fueled era of right wing terrorism instead.
 
2012-12-11 07:52:17 AM  
Call the Winter Festival whatever you like. Celebrate it however you like.

It's about sharing light and warmth to help each other make it through the long dark winter. That's why all the lights and decorations and goodies and presents.

If you have a specific belief system that places additional myths in front of the Winter Festival backdrop, that's all well and good, but you don't get to insist on adding your myths to my Festival, just like I don't get to insist that you put cool whip on your pumpkin pie.

/If you have to add cool whip to distract from the flavor of your pumpkin pie, you're eating bad pie
 
2012-12-11 07:54:57 AM  
If there was a Christ, he wasn't born in winter. A winter solstice celebration and the traditions of drinking, feasting, caroling, gift-giving, yule logs, bringing evergreen trees indoors, and decorating with red and green all predate Christianity. If the Jesus People want to complain about "the war on Christmas", they ought to at least be aware that they first usurped the holiday in a political power-grab.
 
2012-12-11 07:57:13 AM  

Jorn the Younger:

/If you have to add cool whip to distract from the flavor of your pumpkin pie, you're eating bad pie


It's all we can afford, so you can have my Cool hWhip when you pry it from my cold, dead, fat fingers.
 
2012-12-11 07:58:04 AM  

Oblio13: If there was a Christ, he wasn't born in winter. A winter solstice celebration and the traditions of drinking, feasting, caroling, gift-giving, yule logs, bringing evergreen trees indoors, and decorating with red and green all predate Christianity. If the Jesus People want to complain about "the war on Christmas", they ought to at least be aware that they first usurped the holiday in a political power-grab.


how do you know he wasn't born in winter?

and why can't you accept it??
 
2012-12-11 07:58:21 AM  

ox45tallboy: WorldCitizen: Same here. As someone who holds no religious beliefs, I quite enjoy Christmas. I don't really see what snowmen, Santa Claus, decorated pine trees, lights everywhere, and spending time and giving with friends and family has to do specifically with the birth of Jesus or even Christianity as a whole.

When Christian people ask why I have a Christmas tree if I'm an atheist, I like to point out that the Christmas tree is pagan such as is described in Jeremiah 10:2-4:


This is my new favorite Bible verse!!! How have I not know this? Thank you!
 
2012-12-11 07:58:53 AM  

Oblio13: If there was a Christ, he wasn't born in winter. A winter solstice celebration and the traditions of drinking, feasting, caroling, gift-giving, yule logs, bringing evergreen trees indoors, and decorating with red and green all predate Christianity. If the Jesus People want to complain about "the war on Christmas", they ought to at least be aware that they first usurped the holiday in a political power-grab.


that is precisely my point... Christmas has nothing to do with Christ. It was co-opted by the Catholic church from the Pagan winter festival... so why don't Atheists attack that faith... the largest market by far... I wonder... maybe it just wouldn't be as popular to attack Santa and those ebil Christmas trees.
 
2012-12-11 07:59:18 AM  
but Christianity cleaned up the Pagan rituals so they aren't evil anymore. Jesus is magical like that
 
2012-12-11 07:59:28 AM  
My Jesus was born on the 4th of July.
 
2012-12-11 08:01:01 AM  

Hershey Highway Patrol: My Jesus was born on the 4th of July.


With guns a-blazing shouting homophobic slurs?
 
2012-12-11 08:01:14 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: but ChristianityCatholicism cleaned up the Pagan rituals so they aren't evil anymore. JesusThe Pope™ is magical like that


/FTFY
 
2012-12-11 08:01:46 AM  
i47.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-11 08:02:38 AM  
Onward, Christian Douchebags!
 
2012-12-11 08:02:48 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Jon iz teh kewl: but ChristianityCatholicism cleaned up the Pagan rituals so they aren't evil anymore. JesusThe Pope™ is magical like that

/FTFY


it's all the same, it's a big scam to spawn the economy
 
2012-12-11 08:06:15 AM  
So much for Peace on Earth and good will to all.
 
2012-12-11 08:06:16 AM  

Nick Nostril: Jorn the Younger:

/If you have to add cool whip to distract from the flavor of your pumpkin pie, you're eating bad pie

It's all we can afford, so you can have my Cool hWhip when you pry it from my cold, dead, fat fingers.


If you can only afford bad tasting pie, why not make the pie instead? A small pumpkin hardly costs anything, and a decent vanilla ice cream only a few bucks (for in the pie, not on the pie), and pre-made pie crusts are like 2 for $1.50. There's a bit of seasonings and spices in it, sure, but I'd have to ask my lady what they are, as she does the actual making of the pie
 
2012-12-11 08:06:41 AM  

s3.amazonaws.com

 
2012-12-11 08:07:20 AM  
i.imgur.com

/all very punchable
 
2012-12-11 08:07:45 AM  

ox45tallboy: hubiestubert: I am a Buddhist who enjoys the Christmas season.

This sort of asshat does a lot more damage to the spirit of the season.

Honest question, do Buddhists celebrate any Buddhist holidays?


as a Buddhist, hell if I know. I think we celebrate Tet
 
2012-12-11 08:07:48 AM  

DrPainMD: ox45tallboy: DrPainMD: ox45tallboy: Relatively Obscure: I couldn't say what the frequency was.

[www.blogcdn.com image 200x225]

/approves

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Does not approve.

Yes he does!

Hertz would never approve of someone not knowing what the frequency was.


I believe he said that on a regular basis.
 
2012-12-11 08:09:06 AM  
Famous christian saying; "Kill them all; let God sort them out,"

Don't forget the torture.
 
2012-12-11 08:09:28 AM  
images.wikia.com
 
2012-12-11 08:09:35 AM  

cretinbob: Let's hope we don't have to find out...again


Except for the part where that shooting had nothing to do with what anyone said or did and was the act of one deranged idiot I can totally see where you get the comparison from.

No wait, I can't.
 
2012-12-11 08:10:22 AM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: At some point some of these wackjobs are going to start a mini-revolution and be smacked down in a military operation that's gonna fuel Military Channel specials for the next decade.


Well, the Military Channel is running out of material.

In other news, Pope Urban the 2nd sent a delegation to beat the Jews, Muslims and Pagans into good ol' fashioned Christian submission. So I guess this preacher fella is onto something.
 
2012-12-11 08:10:36 AM  
How Christian of him.
 
2012-12-11 08:10:44 AM  
Done in two.
 
2012-12-11 08:10:56 AM  

ox45tallboy: "You know, what do you do with a bully?" he explained. "If a bully keeps getting his way and intimidating kids on the playground and nobody stands up for themselves then the bully is encouraged and emboldened and continues to bully more and more people.

The author is right. Atheists should stand up to people who demand that everyone else live their lives a certain way because "God said so". Every time the Christians win some kind of battle like transvaginal ultrasounds or what not, they become encouraged and emboldened and go for things like demanding Creationism be taught in science class.

I like this author. He makes pretty good points.


Yeah I was really wondering if he understood the irony of what he was saying. Probably not.
 
2012-12-11 08:10:59 AM  
Wow, 115 posts before 8 A.M. ... the Fark heathen brigade doesn't like it when the tables are turned on them, eh? Don't like a little dose of your own medicine? Maybe the usual suspects oughta promote a few turd marriage threads to help everyone feel better?
 
2012-12-11 08:11:40 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl:
how do you know he wasn't born in winter?

 

For starters, the shepherds were still "in the fields with their flocks".

 and why can't you accept it?? 

I have this thing about facts.
 
2012-12-11 08:12:21 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: how do you know he wasn't born in winter?

and why can't you accept it??


Not_sure_if_serious.jpg

So far as I recall, its accepted by most churches that his exact birth date isn't known.
They moved the holidays around to adapt with the Pagan cultures they were trying to convert.

/Its why anyone that tries to predict age of the earth or specific dates from bible lore comes off as a flake.
/It was ancient oral history before it was transcribed dozens of times over.
/You don't get accuracy from that.
 
2012-12-11 08:12:44 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: I don't know how to break this to you... but I see quite a bit more Pagan decoration during Christmas than Christian... how come no Atheists attack those displays and demand the removal (from public lands) displays of Christmas trees, Santa, or other Pagan symbols... how come only Christians get the hate? Seems to me, you should attack the largest market - Pagan symbols.


Nobody worships Santa, you dolt.
 
2012-12-11 08:13:11 AM  
apatheist right here enjoys Christmas.

Even though my mom's Catholic, my parents always stressed the importance of focusing on charity, family, forgiveness and thankfulness. It was not much about the birth of Jesus on the Mose homestead, but more about celebrating and extoling the virtues associated with the man. That always seemed like the right priority, anyway. The world could definitely do with more of that.
 
2012-12-11 08:14:00 AM  

Stinkyy: Wow, 115 posts before 8 A.M. ... the Fark heathen brigade doesn't like it when the tables are turned on them, eh? Don't like a little dose of your own medicine?


Actually this is all push back against decades of loud mouthed christians getting their way.
 
2012-12-11 08:14:32 AM  

Befuddled: FTA: Conservative Christian radio host Matt Barber says that an atheist group should be punched "in the mouth" after they filed a complaint that sought to stop a Michigan man from erecting a nativity scene on public land.

Why can't the religious assholes get it through their teeny little brains that if they want to put up a religious 'whatever', do it on private property and nobody will have a problem with it. The religious assholes keep trying to push the bounds, to try to make their religion basically endorsed by the government.


As an atheist, I have to say the proper response to this isn't complaining and trying to get the nativity scene removed from public land... Instead, they should've sought to place their own counter-display on the same public land... After all, it is public land, for us all to use... Let the Christians put up a display, and let the Jews, the Muslims, the Scientologists, the Wiccans, and the atheists put one up as well... The poor oppressed Christians like this guy will still complain, probably even louder, but they'll just look foolish and bitter... Instead, when complaining about stuff like this, they look righteous... Doing stuff like this just feeds their persecution complex...

/Plus, it's just a really stupid and trivial thing to worry about in the first place...
//It's like some atheists these days are developing the same persecution complex...
///Having to see a farking nativity scene isn't oppressing your lack of belief!
 
2012-12-11 08:14:40 AM  

Stinkyy: Wow, 115 posts before 8 A.M. ... the Fark heathen brigade doesn't like it when the tables are turned on them, eh? Don't like a little dose of your own medicine? Maybe the usual suspects oughta promote a few turd marriage threads to help everyone feel better?


Thank you for responding to my call to action.
 
2012-12-11 08:14:51 AM  

Jorn the Younger: Nick Nostril: Jorn the Younger:

/If you have to add cool whip to distract from the flavor of your pumpkin pie, you're eating bad pie

It's all we can afford, so you can have my Cool hWhip when you pry it from my cold, dead, fat fingers.

If you can only afford bad tasting pie, why not make the pie instead? A small pumpkin hardly costs anything, and a decent vanilla ice cream only a few bucks (for in the pie, not on the pie), and pre-made pie crusts are like 2 for $1.50. There's a bit of seasonings and spices in it, sure, but I'd have to ask my lady what they are, as she does the actual making of the pie


Molasses is key. Only need a little if your squash of choice is naturally sweet. I usually make mine from my garden butternut squash.
 
2012-12-11 08:15:24 AM  
Here's some more fun facts about this asshole:

- Has said that gay male relationships constitute "one man violently cramming his penis into another man's lower intestine and calling it 'love'"

- Has called President Barack Obama an "anti-American" "enemy" who is "determined to destroy America"

- Of a lesbian couple's parental decisions for their transgender child, said: "We shouldn't be surprised that we see this kind of child abuse and brainwashing when we allow children to be placed intentionally in motherless or fatherless homes that model disordered sexual behavior and push the false notion that human sexuality is somehow androgynous," adding that the kid is "the poster child against the unconscionable practice of legalized so-called 'gay adoption.'"

- Routinely uses words like "purveyors of evil" or "satanic" (1:19 in video clip) to refer to his political opponents

- Said Ellen DeGeneres "guides her many adoring housewife fans into rebellion against God's divine and explicit natural order"

- Claims that by supporting LGBT viewers, media outlets are trying "to make the absurd appear reasonable and normal" (0:46 - 0:51)

- Says gays make up violence "as a Trojan Horse to force, to compel nations and individuals and groups and churches that embrace traditional values, relative to sexual behavior, to push them into the closet and say 'no, no, you have to adopt a full affirmation of these perversions.'"

- Says gay rights presents a "clear and present danger" and "internationally the greatest threat" (58:27-59:00)


Total farking scumbag. Also, he appears on FoxNews now and then, no surprise there.
 
2012-12-11 08:15:36 AM  

JRoo: How Christian of him.


♪ ♫ Yes, they'll know we are Christians by our love ... ♪
 
2012-12-11 08:16:43 AM  

way south: Jon iz teh kewl: how do you know he wasn't born in winter?

and why can't you accept it??

Not_sure_if_serious.jpg

So far as I recall, its accepted by most churches that his exact birth date isn't known.
They moved the holidays around to adapt with the Pagan cultures they were trying to convert.

/Its why anyone that tries to predict age of the earth or specific dates from bible lore comes off as a flake.
/It was ancient oral history before it was transcribed dozens of times over.
/You don't get accuracy from that.


but doesn't it make SNESE to celebrate his holiday in the pagan season, as opposed to July. so there's 1 gift giving holiday each year instead of 2??

selectstartgames.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-11 08:17:01 AM  
Color me another atheist that likes the holidays. But also one that is fully behind the idea that if jesusy ppl get to put up holiday displays on publicly owned land, so can everyone else. Period.

I personally dream of a day(I probably won't live to see), when Christianity(and the rest of abrahamic, revealed truth desert religions) are talked about the same way we talk about Zeus and Thor. Fantasies of a primitive people in a primitive time. I look forward to belief in Jesus being as ridiculous a proposition as prostrating yourself to Poseidon.

Stop poisoning humanity with the taint of your horrible chalcolithic sky shamanism.

But all that aside, go Christmas. Loving the lights this year, more ppl moving to LEDs.
 
2012-12-11 08:17:28 AM  
Some one, some day might actually produce actual evidence of this "war on Christmas". Invariably whenever this stupid seasonal meme crops up its because someone still hasn't gotten the memo about separation of church and state, or of free speech, or simply cannot tolerate the idea that other people might have other ideas of how to celebrate this arbitrary day in the calendar.
 
2012-12-11 08:19:32 AM  
hey gaiz wats this thread?
 
2012-12-11 08:20:24 AM  
There are lots of people of many faiths and beliefs in the world who could all use a punch in the face.
 
2012-12-11 08:20:45 AM  

somedude210: ox45tallboy: hubiestubert: I am a Buddhist who enjoys the Christmas season.

This sort of asshat does a lot more damage to the spirit of the season.

Honest question, do Buddhists celebrate any Buddhist holidays?

as a Buddhist, hell if I know. I think we celebrate Tet


That's Offensive.
 
2012-12-11 08:20:59 AM  

I drunk what: hey gaiz wats this thread?


it's a Christmas tree, meaning gay. happy gaylidays!!
 
2012-12-11 08:21:34 AM  

Mose: Jorn the Younger: Nick Nostril: Jorn the Younger:

/If you have to add cool whip to distract from the flavor of your pumpkin pie, you're eating bad pie

It's all we can afford, so you can have my Cool hWhip when you pry it from my cold, dead, fat fingers.

If you can only afford bad tasting pie, why not make the pie instead? A small pumpkin hardly costs anything, and a decent vanilla ice cream only a few bucks (for in the pie, not on the pie), and pre-made pie crusts are like 2 for $1.50. There's a bit of seasonings and spices in it, sure, but I'd have to ask my lady what they are, as she does the actual making of the pie

Molasses is key. Only need a little if your squash of choice is naturally sweet. I usually make mine from my garden butternut squash.


Molasses...never tried that. The only thing I know about it was that I bought it on accident once and found out that it is, in fact, not the same thing as maple syrup.
 
2012-12-11 08:22:36 AM  

Schroedinger's Glory Hole: No bullshiat, there I was six clicks south of the bombed out remains of a Wendy's when I realized it. We weren't going home, the Christmas Wars will never end. I blame the traitors. The secularists pushed their "Holiday War" agenda too far, sucking in the most vocal of all Christians, Kanye West. "Money talks, Jesus walks" he said before executing Santa on the steps of Capitol Hill. That was eight years ago. Christmas is mostly a legend now, nobody is alive that remembers time before the war. Except me. I remember hiding every year with my family as we tried to come up with methods of subversive deception. We'd make gingerbread 9/11s and sing carols by morse code. I even shaved a Crèche into my pubic hair. If we just had the fortitude to punch them in the mouth when we had the chance.


Dude, that sort of thing is a masturbatory fantasy for a good chunk of them.
 
2012-12-11 08:24:20 AM  
The Prince of Peace would like a word with you....
 
2012-12-11 08:24:23 AM  
You're perpetuating a war on Christmas if:

- You're not a Christian yet you think you should have the same right they do to use public land to air your opinions

- You say anything other than "Merry Christmas" to anybody as both a salutation and valediction during the entire month of December

- You dare to even be aware of the exceptional level of absurdity involved with Christians making such a huge stink about a date arbitrarily chosen as the alleged birth of their savior while making much less of a deal about that whole "actually becoming the savior" thing that supposedly happened in the spring

- You dare to suggest that very few people actually give a flying rat turd about the whole stupid concept of a war on Christmas since the vast majority of people just use the time as a nice winter holiday to relax at home with their family anyway and almost nobody in the entire country gives even half a fark about whatever Bill O'Reilly's current outrage from Podunk, Nowhere is tonight.
 
2012-12-11 08:24:25 AM  

drxym: Some one, some day might actually produce actual evidence of this "war on Christmas". Invariably whenever this stupid seasonal meme crops up its because someone still hasn't gotten the memo about separation of church and state, or of free speech, or simply cannot tolerate the idea that other people might have other ideas of how to celebrate this arbitrary day in the calendar.


Because that would require a nuanced understanding of other people and other cultures and a fundamental respect for others' right to do as they will. No way we have the time and resources to put into that kind of rational solution. "War on %target" is much easier for the ignorant to consume.
 
2012-12-11 08:24:31 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: I don't know how to break this to you... but I see quite a bit more Pagan decoration during Christmas than Christian... how come no Atheists attack those displays and demand the removal (from public lands) displays of Christmas trees, Santa, or other Pagan symbols... how come only Christians get the hate? Seems to me, you should attack the largest market - Pagan symbols.


How many actual Pagans do you see around these days? Do you believe that everyone that puts up a Christmas tree is truly Pagan? People aren't attacking it, because most people don't even realize that it's based on Pagan traditions! And, those that do, realize it's been co-opted and no longer has anything to do with its roots... Christmas trees, Santa, Yule logs, etc. are all completely secular these days... Nativity scenes, not so much... (Not that anyone should still have a problem with their display, either...)
 
2012-12-11 08:25:10 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: but I see quite a bit more Pagan decoration during Christmas than Christian


Because Christians co-opted those symbols and made them their own, perhaps?

It was a valid conversion strategy for the last thousand years or so you know...
 
2012-12-11 08:25:27 AM  

RobSeace: HindiDiscoMonster: I don't know how to break this to you... but I see quite a bit more Pagan decoration during Christmas than Christian... how come no Atheists attack those displays and demand the removal (from public lands) displays of Christmas trees, Santa, or other Pagan symbols... how come only Christians get the hate? Seems to me, you should attack the largest market - Pagan symbols.

How many actual Pagans do you see around these days? Do you believe that everyone that puts up a Christmas tree is truly Pagan? People aren't attacking it, because most people don't even realize that it's based on Pagan traditions! And, those that do, realize it's been co-opted and no longer has anything to do with its roots... Christmas trees, Santa, Yule logs, etc. are all completely secular these days... Nativity scenes, not so much... (Not that anyone should still have a problem with their display, either...)


pagan is part of our history. why do you hate history so much
 
2012-12-11 08:26:55 AM  

Chariset: Theologian here. Want my take on the War on Christmas?

It's the panicked, flailing reaction of the Religious Right to the sudden realization that the US is celebrating a completely secular holiday in December -- one which could go by Christmas or "the holidays" or Snowflake Day or whatever. They had liked to believe that the country went insane as a sign of religious devotion. Now they see that what is celebrated as Christmas by most of the country is not the same holiday as the Christian Christmas.

Think of it like a child born on the 4th of July. Think of the tantrum he might throw the first time he realizes that the parade and the fireworks aren't for him. "No! They're doing it for ME because it's MY BIRTHDAY!" It's like that, only with more airtime.


Another theologian here, saying, "THIS!" You nailed it, Chariset.
 
2012-12-11 08:27:27 AM  
I love it how worked up people get. When I was in college I worked for a cell phone company who had no stated policy about saying 'happy holidays' or 'merry christmas' or whatever. I'm an atheist but I usually alternated between both just for the sake of a little variety in a heavily scripted workday. One woman became irate after I had wished her 'happy holidays' and started to rant at me about 'jaysus'. She threatened to cancel her contract because the phone jockey (me) hadn't used the words christmas.

I lost my temper with her and told her that I have been using both terms all day but now thanks to her I'll be switching to happy holidays exclusively and then I hung up on her. Then I had to deal with a pissed off supervisor and all kinds of additional stress during finals, and the holidays. Way to go Jesus lady, you sure acted well in his name.
 
2012-12-11 08:28:04 AM  

Cythraul: [s3.amazonaws.com image 324x269]


I love this image - Jesus suddenly realizes this "dying for other's sins" thing is totally lame, rips apart the puny girly-man wooden cross and goes home.
 
2012-12-11 08:28:55 AM  
I'm an atheist, and I don't really care, but I would agree that there is a lot of "don't say Christmas cause everybody's not Christian so just call it "holiday" " bullshiat.

Santa's not real either, but I don't mind telling kids about him.
 
2012-12-11 08:29:09 AM  

Egoy3k: I love it how worked up people get. When I was in college I worked for a cell phone company who had no stated policy about saying 'happy holidays' or 'merry christmas' or whatever. I'm an atheist but I usually alternated between both just for the sake of a little variety in a heavily scripted workday. One woman became irate after I had wished her 'happy holidays' and started to rant at me about 'jaysus'. She threatened to cancel her contract because the phone jockey (me) hadn't used the words christmas.

I lost my temper with her and told her that I have been using both terms all day but now thanks to her I'll be switching to happy holidays exclusively and then I hung up on her. Then I had to deal with a pissed off supervisor and all kinds of additional stress during finals, and the holidays. Way to go Jesus lady, you sure acted well in his name.


maybe she was a secret Jew
 
2012-12-11 08:29:41 AM  

neongoats: Stop poisoning humanity with the taint of your horrible chalcolithic sky shamanism.


i28.photobucket.com

Huh huh huh!
 
2012-12-11 08:30:00 AM  

RobSeace: Nativity scenes, not so much... (Not that anyone should still have a problem with their display, either...)


I have a problem with them simply because they endorse superstitious thought which is nothing but counterproductive. Celebrate the return of light anbd all things green all you want (because let's face it, nobody gets excited about being in darkness for 14 hours out of the day), but drop the farcical magical nonsense; we'll all be better for it.
 
2012-12-11 08:30:38 AM  

StrangeQ: Mose: Jorn the Younger: Nick Nostril: Jorn the Younger:

/If you have to add cool whip to distract from the flavor of your pumpkin pie, you're eating bad pie

It's all we can afford, so you can have my Cool hWhip when you pry it from my cold, dead, fat fingers.

If you can only afford bad tasting pie, why not make the pie instead? A small pumpkin hardly costs anything, and a decent vanilla ice cream only a few bucks (for in the pie, not on the pie), and pre-made pie crusts are like 2 for $1.50. There's a bit of seasonings and spices in it, sure, but I'd have to ask my lady what they are, as she does the actual making of the pie

Molasses is key. Only need a little if your squash of choice is naturally sweet. I usually make mine from my garden butternut squash.

Molasses...never tried that. The only thing I know about it was that I bought it on accident once and found out that it is, in fact, not the same thing as maple syrup.


It's sugar cane syrup, basically. It's what makes brown sugar brown. It's very good. A lot of people sweeten boiled or roasted/baked squash with brown sugar. I cut out the middle man and skip right to molasses.

Maple syrup works well too, but it usually has more water in it than molasses so you have to account for that. If you live near a sugaring operation though, you might be able to find maple sugar. That's the crystalized stuff that builds up on the inside of the evaporator. That stuff is awesome.
 
2012-12-11 08:30:41 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: it's a Christmas tree, meaning gay. happy gaylidays!!


did any "xians" take the bait yet?

this should get them going:

doyner: Since that's exactly what Jesus would do then it's good advice.


skepticfreethought.com

trolololololol

/i trol u
 
2012-12-11 08:30:51 AM  
Deck the halls
 
2012-12-11 08:33:25 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Deck the halls


with bells of meth
 
2012-12-11 08:33:49 AM  
If some jebus kook who doesn't really believe in peace on earth and good will toward men takes a poke at me, he will leave the scene in an ambulance or a hearse. I won't settle for just getting even.
 
2012-12-11 08:35:46 AM  
What? It's Christmas? I love in Phoenix, so who the fark can tell. whoopdee
 
2012-12-11 08:36:08 AM  
The pope says Jesus wasn't born on Dec. 25th, so WTF?
 
2012-12-11 08:36:09 AM  
When I was a kid, I was taught that 'Happy Holidays' was short for, 'Happy Thanksgiving, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.'

I really for the life of me figure out how this could offend anyone.
 
2012-12-11 08:36:20 AM  

RobSeace: and the atheists put one up as well


what did you have in mind?
 
2012-12-11 08:36:39 AM  
Christian America taught me that pre-emptive strikes are legal, so I'm off to punch a Christian in the mouth.
 
2012-12-11 08:36:44 AM  
I love Christmas... I also don't believe in any gods or supernatural beings.

I've been known to attend midnight mass and everything (I like the singing and organ in my parish church).

As far as religious displays on public land, it doesn't really bother me, but If a group of citizens are offended by it, then the space should be open to ALL religious displays or no religious displays. Realistically speaking, it just makes more sense to only have secular displays on public land. Less hassles like this nonsense.

Churches, Synagogs, and private citizens are free to put up all the religious displays on their property they want last I checked. No reason to use public land at all.
 
2012-12-11 08:37:33 AM  
Also, the funniest part of the story for me was him using "humanist" as a pejorative. Yeah, those wicked humanists... history's greatest monsters.
 
2012-12-11 08:38:27 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Deck the halls

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2012-12-11 08:38:35 AM  

Relatively Obscure: GAT_00: I'm still trying to decide which login you were using before the election. Never saw you post before two weeks or so ago, and a whole bunch haven't showed since November 6th.

He was around before the election. I couldn't say what the frequency was.


Wow, some of you idiots actually try to track the "opposition" here?

You must be that little Spanish college brat I taught a lesson to all those years ago. You've been chasing these people your whole life only to have them change their user name? I think that's about the worst thing I've ever heard.
[pause]
How marvelous.
 
2012-12-11 08:38:38 AM  

grokca: Christian America taught me that pre-emptive strikes are legal, so I'm off to punch a Christian in the mouth.


how does the brimstone and fire feel
 
2012-12-11 08:39:16 AM  
FTA: If a bully keeps getting his way and intimidating kids on the playground and nobody stands up for themselves then the bully is encouraged and emboldened and continues to bully more and more people.

You're right buddy. This is exactly how the religionists got to where they are today.
 
2012-12-11 08:39:37 AM  

Relatively Obscure: GAT_00: I'm still trying to decide which login you were using before the election. Never saw you post before two weeks or so ago, and a whole bunch haven't showed since November 6th.

He was around before the election. I couldn't say what the frequency was.


You should ask Kenneth.
 
2012-12-11 08:41:15 AM  
Not my pic, but they started putting this shiat up the week before Halloween in my neighborhood.

i13.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-11 08:42:08 AM  

StrangeQ: I have a problem with them simply because they endorse superstitious thought which is nothing but counterproductive. Celebrate the return of light anbd all things green all you want (because let's face it, nobody gets excited about being in darkness for 14 hours out of the day), but drop the farcical magical nonsense; we'll all be better for it.


I agree with your sentiment in spirit, but disagree with the idea of shutting down such displays for the same reason I would disagree with shutting down a display from anyone I might disagree with... Let them have their nativity scenes; it does me no harm... I don't agree with all the beliefs and sentiments behind them, but so what? They have a right to display them... And, as much as I'd love it if everyone became rational and dropped all religion, I'm not delusional enough to think it's ever going to happen in my lifetime, if ever... So, until then, we all have to live together on this rock and get along with each other...
 
2012-12-11 08:42:27 AM  

Mike_LowELL: Barack Obama Locked a Kitten in One Of Those Plastic Rolly Balls For Hamsters And Rolled It Down a Hill: The Shocking Facts


You owe me a new keyboard and two new monitors, you magnificent bastard.
 
2012-12-11 08:42:40 AM  

Relatively Obscure: Meh. He was just saying that he thinks we atheists are all being big meanie-heads and we should be stood up to. I don't really believe he meant "literally punch them in the mouth." I do believe he's kind of an idiot, though.


Mature sensibilities and common sense- the world needs more folks like you :)
 
2012-12-11 08:46:07 AM  

Jorn the Younger:
/If you have to add cool whip to distract from the flavor of your pumpkin pie, you're eating bad pie


If you think cool whip as a distraction, you don't understand good food.
 
2012-12-11 08:46:34 AM  

Chariset: Theologian here. Want my take on the War on Christmas?

It's the panicked, flailing reaction of the Religious Right to the sudden realization that the US is celebrating a completely secular holiday in December -- one which could go by Christmas or "the holidays" or Snowflake Day or whatever. They had liked to believe that the country went insane as a sign of religious devotion. Now they see that what is celebrated as Christmas by most of the country is not the same holiday as the Christian Christmas.

Think of it like a child born on the 4th of July. Think of the tantrum he might throw the first time he realizes that the parade and the fireworks aren't for him. "No! They're doing it for ME because it's MY BIRTHDAY!" It's like that, only with more airtime.


Are you saying that the nation is in fact not celebrating my birthday on December 25?

/will be 35.
 
2012-12-11 08:47:52 AM  
Church League Softball Fistfight?
 
2012-12-11 08:48:16 AM  
I get very upset when I see a Frosty the Snowman wearing any kind of headgear besides a silk top hat. Outrageous displays like this should be banned! Or at least there should be a public haberdashery fund created to stop the madness.
 
2012-12-11 08:48:37 AM  

cretinbob: The war on Xmas is all in some peoples tiny, deluded minds


i'm more concerned about the war on Christianity

and websites that create threads just to propagate bigoted hate speech
 
2012-12-11 08:49:09 AM  

macdaddy357: If some jebus kook who doesn't really believe in peace on earth and good will toward men takes a poke at me, he will leave the scene in an ambulance or a hearse. I won't settle for just getting even.


wegotabadassoverhere.jpg
 
2012-12-11 08:49:52 AM  

Thunderboy: Not my pic, but they started putting this shiat up the week before Halloween in my neighborhood.

[i13.photobucket.com image 693x482]


those bastards, have they no shame?
 
2012-12-11 08:49:54 AM  

giftedmadness: it's so funny that you libs actually believe that conservatives are racist. It's amusing.


Oh, so it was Liberals who sold the "Don't Re-Nig in 2012" bumper stickers? It was Liberals who made the "Put the White Back in the White House" t-shirts? Now that's amusing.
 
2012-12-11 08:50:24 AM  

I drunk what: RobSeace: and the atheists put one up as well

what did you have in mind?


I'm thinking a completely blank billboard would be appropriate...

No, I really have no idea... Personally, I have no problem with nativity scenes, and wouldn't feel compelled to offer any kind of counter to them... But, I was just saying that if an atheist were so offended by them as to want them removed, then instead they should put up some kind of counter-display alongside them... I have no idea what form that would take, exactly... Probably something like this:

www.theblaze.com

But, the point was that the answer to speech you disagree with should be more speech, not an attempt to silence the speech you disagree with...
 
2012-12-11 08:51:03 AM  

AnyName: Wow, some of you idiots actually try to track the "opposition" here?


Some people try to track overt trolls. It saves you a lot of time from responding to them, since, you know, trolls. They're present here on Fark, so some people casually note them.

It's not as grandiose and stupid as you make it out to be, since I'm sure you'd agree that beating your head against a troll-wall won't get you anywhere.

Poe's Law being what it is, sometimes just loudmouths get caught in the crossfire.
 
2012-12-11 08:51:30 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: way south: Jon iz teh kewl: how do you know he wasn't born in winter?

and why can't you accept it??

Not_sure_if_serious.jpg

So far as I recall, its accepted by most churches that his exact birth date isn't known.
They moved the holidays around to adapt with the Pagan cultures they were trying to convert.

/Its why anyone that tries to predict age of the earth or specific dates from bible lore comes off as a flake.
/It was ancient oral history before it was transcribed dozens of times over.
/You don't get accuracy from that.

but doesn't it make SNESE to celebrate his holiday in the pagan season, as opposed to July. so there's 1 gift giving holiday each year instead of 2??

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I understand there were summer Christian observances, but You've got to view this through the eyes of an agrarian northern culture.

Fall festivals are for harvest, spring festivals are for planting, winter solstice marks the half way point through what was likely the most dangerous and dull season.
Summer is the good times. The highlight of prayer, contemplation, worry and god fearing-ness would be in mid winter.

People want hope on the winter solstice, which is what Christs birth represents.
If I was a preacher, it would be the perfect time for delivering that message.

/No one wants to hear sermons when things are good.
/But let some shiat happen and they stack up in the pews.
 
2012-12-11 08:52:18 AM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: At some point some of these wackjobs are going to start a mini-revolution and be smacked down in a military operation that's gonna fuel Military Channel specials for the next decade.


I never considered this. That would make for some good viewing, image quality is so much better these days.
 
2012-12-11 08:53:09 AM  

liam76: If you think cool whip as a distraction, you don't understand good food.


Ugh. It takes about 12 minutes to whip up enough real whipped cream for several pies, and it's well worth the effort. It's criminal to put Cool Whip on a home baked pie, and real whipped cream can even elevate a store pie to a higher level.

Just what is Cool Whip, anyway?
 
2012-12-11 08:54:33 AM  
What I want to know is, why isn't anyone getting all worked up over the war on Sol Invictus?

/Mithras is the reason for the season.
 
2012-12-11 08:54:44 AM  

The Why Not Guy: giftedmadness: it's so funny that you libs actually believe that conservatives are racist. It's amusing.

Oh, so it was Liberals who sold the "Don't Re-Nig in 2012" bumper stickers? It was Liberals who made the "Put the White Back in the White House" t-shirts? Now that's amusing.


files.abovetopsecret.com
25.media.tumblr.com
www.thestolenolive.net

lulz republicans are the so racist, and since they are conservative that means they are afraid of homosexuals, but i repeat myself
 
2012-12-11 08:54:46 AM  
Whom Would Jesus Punch?
 
2012-12-11 08:56:10 AM  

RobSeace: Let them have their nativity scenes; it does me no harm


It does no harm to put these graven images on your own property or on the tax-free property of your local church.
There is no reason to put it on public land other than you wanting it to appear that the government endorses your superstitions.
 
2012-12-11 08:56:41 AM  
Who Would Jesus Punch?

\probably the radio host
 
2012-12-11 08:57:27 AM  
I could not care less if a Christian group puts up a nativity in a public space. No one should. But here's the thing I don't get. Christmas is actually supposed to be a somewhat sombre holiday in Christian tradition because it begins Jesus' trail and betrayal by Man. The most important and joyous of Christian holidays is Easter: the new covenant is fulfilled; Christ conquers the death and darkness of sin. But for most Christians, Easter is something of an afterthought holiday. They pay it some lip service, but that's about all. We don't often see them wanting to do passion plays and the Stations of the Cross in public spaces, on Good Friday and, when they do, the atheist thugs tend to ignore it.

Also strange about modern Christians is that Christmastide is supposed to be a 12 day celebration starting at sundown Christmas Eve and running until sundown of the Epiphany (January 6th). But for the vast majority of Christians in America, the holiday is over once the gifts are opened and they've stuffed there bellies. Attention then returns to football and after-Christmas sales. Eastertide, too is a multi-day celebration, commencing at sundown of the Saturday after Good Friday and ending on Pentecost Sunday, for a total of 50 days. The only evidence one will see of this is a white drape on a cross in front of a church (this is not a Christian tradition nor a liturgical practice, but dates back only about 30 years).
 
2012-12-11 08:58:00 AM  

quatchi: On Monday, Barber blasted the Freedom from Religion Foundation for trying to "recreate an America in their own secular, humanist, self-image."

[amptoons.com image 350x262]

The obligatory noted, sign me up as another atheist who enjoys the heck out of the Holiday season.

There's just something special about being all snug and warm inside while winter waits outside, eating goodies you only really see around this time of the year ... having a BBQ on the beach after a game of beach cricket.


That's more like it.
 
2012-12-11 09:01:23 AM  

The Why Not Guy: Just what is Cool Whip, anyway?


Delicious?

Awesome?

Deliciously awesome?

I really don't see where you're going with that question...
 
2012-12-11 09:01:35 AM  

I drunk what: The Why Not Guy: giftedmadness: it's so funny that you libs actually believe that conservatives are racist. It's amusing.

Oh, so it was Liberals who sold the "Don't Re-Nig in 2012" bumper stickers? It was Liberals who made the "Put the White Back in the White House" t-shirts? Now that's amusing.

[files.abovetopsecret.com image 621x902]
[25.media.tumblr.com image 650x475]
[www.thestolenolive.net image 850x607]

lulz republicans are the so racist, and since they are conservative that means they are afraid of homosexuals, but i repeat myself


The fact that you need someone to even explain the difference to you is sad, and explains a lot about the Conservatives' ability to comprehend context.

Plus, I don't really feel up to feeding trolls at this point, so bite me.
 
2012-12-11 09:03:09 AM  

JackieRabbit: I could not care less if a Christian group puts up a nativity in a public space. No one should. But here's the thing I don't get. Christmas is actually supposed to be a somewhat sombre holiday in Christian tradition because it begins Jesus' trail and betrayal by Man. The most important and joyous of Christian holidays is Easter: the new covenant is fulfilled; Christ conquers the death and darkness of sin. But for most Christians, Easter is something of an afterthought holiday. They pay it some lip service, but that's about all. We don't often see them wanting to do passion plays and the Stations of the Cross in public spaces, on Good Friday and, when they do, the atheist thugs tend to ignore it.

Also strange about modern Christians is that Christmastide is supposed to be a 12 day celebration starting at sundown Christmas Eve and running until sundown of the Epiphany (January 6th). But for the vast majority of Christians in America, the holiday is over once the gifts are opened and they've stuffed there bellies. Attention then returns to football and after-Christmas sales. Eastertide, too is a multi-day celebration, commencing at sundown of the Saturday after Good Friday and ending on Pentecost Sunday, for a total of 50 days. The only evidence one will see of this is a white drape on a cross in front of a church (this is not a Christian tradition nor a liturgical practice, but dates back only about 30 years).


It's almost like in America being religious is more a result of social pressure in the community than a legitimate practice of one's deeply held beliefs in a mystical power.... as if.... as if it's done for social convenience and the majority of people who claim to practice are really just going through motions because they feel like they have to.
 
2012-12-11 09:04:08 AM  

StrangeQ: The Why Not Guy: Just what is Cool Whip, anyway?

Delicious?

Awesome?

Deliciously awesome?



Amazing when frozen and eaten as ice cream?


/actually did that as a child
 
2012-12-11 09:04:34 AM  

I drunk what: i'm more concerned about the war on Christianity


Is that the one where everyone pretends to be Christians, but 95% of them have no idea what Christ even said, and of the remaining 5%, the vast majority deliberately choose not to follow what he said anyway? Because, yeah, you guys are losing that war badly...

The "Christians" that anyone else might be at "war" with are not the ones that follow the teachings of Christ... Even us atheists generally dig what Jesus had to say about most things... It's his pissed off dad's rantings we don't much care for... But, as an atheist, I'd personally love it if everyone in the world who called themselves a Christian really were a true one... The world would be a lot better place for it...
 
2012-12-11 09:07:31 AM  

RobSeace: I'm thinking a completely blank billboard would be appropriate...


that would appropriately sum up the contributions atheists make to religion, i concur

RobSeace: Probably something like this:


www.theblaze.com

you're probably right, atheists tend to make fallacious claims in order to "counter" things that make them uncomfortable

RobSeace: But, the point was that the answer to speech you disagree with should be more speech, not an attempt to silence the speech you disagree with...


so you think public holiday displays are the proper forums for theological debate?

why not just remove all religion from our government, after all just like everyone said in this thread, America was nation created by atheists for atheists, why are we wasting so much time bickering about who gets to deface public property with their fairy tale of choice...?

i say we turn the fire hoses on them and teach them a lesson, you're being far to subtle and polite
 
2012-12-11 09:08:12 AM  

hitlersbrain: Why do these things always HAVE to be on public land? Isn't there a nearby church or a private yard you can put that shiat in?


Exactly.
 
2012-12-11 09:09:38 AM  
Orginaly posted by Ishkur. Posting it here now because I see someone is spam posting trying for any bites he can get.

I see IDW is in the thread and will probably hang around and badger people. I've prepared a disclaimer for these occasions:

IDW is, essentially, the ultimate troll (with the only difference being that he's not a deliberate one). He's not interested in discussion -- he just wants to dick you around.

His MO is to seize control of the discussion and keep it, and the most basic way to do this is to withhold information from others and never acquiesce to any questions, comments or requests. By claiming some hidden truth that is beyond everyone's insight but keeping it undefined, he places himself in a role as Teacher or Guru or whatever fantasy Authority he imagines himself as. He doesn't mind arguing in his own backyard, but he'd much prefer to constantly hop from backyard to backyard, forcing you to chase him through separate, discordant arguments and fallacies of distraction. If you corner him, he'll usually chop your post up into little pieces and then reply to each piece individually with one these responses:

1) a question attacking your line of questioning, turning it back on you
2) a loaded and nonsensical analogy which may include a dodge, misdirection, or introduction of additional and usually irrelevant subject matter or
3) a sarcastic snipe at the subject and/or you (sometimes with image attached)

And then the chase begins again. There's no knowledge or wisdom to gain here (from either you or him) and he has no insights to impart. His questions have no purpose. He just wants to control you and force you to jump through his hoops that he will constantly move around on you so that you fail and he can claim superiority. You are wasting your time.

For an example, in this 3 year old thread he concocted a logic game similar to the Wason Selection Task with rules that he could change at any time for any reason, foisted it upon the thread, toyed with the posters for a whole day while refusing to give the answer, and then eventually concluded that everyone was wrong.

It's part of his technique to constantly assume Authoritarian control. He gets off on giving people challenges and quests with no point other than so he can withhold the non-existent answers from them (like his "True Definition of Nature" theory -- he poses this riddle to everyone but there's no answer. He just enjoys watching people struggle). It's the old schoolyard power trip: "I know something you don't and I won't tell you what it is".

That he's been doing this schtick for so long is an indication that he will never stop and there's nothing new to be garnered from him, like he's stuck in a perpetual feedback loop, recycling the same arguments in every thread pertinent to his special brand of Christian theology (he's probably already posted the Wason test that he so http://www.fark.com/comments/4236856/49126567#c49126567 many years ago. It's his way of dealing with the embarrassment by mocking it).

Despite the fact that he frequently loses these discussions, he'll continue posting them as if they're unsolvable, ignoring repeated and consistent replies defeating them. He has never been the type to swallow his pride and admit when he's wrong so you'll never get anywhere with him (and he'll always mock you if you try). It is very likely that he has NPD and people replying to him on Fark is how he strokes his ego so he can never stop no matter how many humiliating threads send him down in flames.

In short: He is a complete and total waste of your god damn time. Reply at your peril; I suggest ignore.
 
2012-12-11 09:10:40 AM  

0Icky0: RobSeace: Let them have their nativity scenes; it does me no harm

It does no harm to put these graven images on your own property or on the tax-free property of your local church.
There is no reason to put it on public land other than you wanting it to appear that the government endorses your superstitions.


I assume the "you" and "your" were meant generically? Because, as I already said, I'm an atheist...

But, it is public land; it's for us all to use... The Christians should get to put up their displays, as should the Jews, the Muslims, and us atheists as well, if we want to...
 
2012-12-11 09:10:40 AM  

ox45tallboy: Asa Phelps: I've never met an atheist who's been up in arms over "christmas".

Maybe a jehova's witness, but those guys don't even have birthdays of their own.

I'm an atheist, and I LOVE Christmas*. Family, gifts, vacation days from work, tons of great food, etc. Online shopping now removes the whole "braving retail stores during Christmas season" thing.

*With the possible exception of my neighbor's life-size singing Santa on their porch hooked up to a motion detector.


Hey now! What is it you have against my Santa? Fracking Scroogetastic neighbors.

/LOL
 
2012-12-11 09:11:15 AM  
Next he'll post either a copy of the above post with the names changed, or tell me Im being a good dog and to fetch and beg.
 
2012-12-11 09:14:25 AM  

Mr.Tangent: Ed Grubermann: See, we're pretty much okay with either allowing all religions with a winter holiday the ability to plant their trinkets on public land, or none of them. Not this Christians-only crap most of these Christian groups try and pull.

This one, especially those parts.


Just wait until some group wants to put up a Diwali display or a Ramadan display or a Seijin no Hi display or a Caristia display (I like that one!) or anything that smacks of any other religious, cultural, or background.

Since this is a multicultural, pluralistic country that retains aspects of several different major global cultures, we could pretty much have a display every day of some different deity, heritage, festival, or whatever. If we put our minds to it and made room for Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist, Zoroastrian, and aboriginal American peoples' festivities, we could have a rollicking good time all year round.

Imagine the hangover!
 
2012-12-11 09:15:30 AM  
Something something turn the other cheek
 
2012-12-11 09:15:54 AM  
Speaking as an atheist, I want a war on Christmas

Not Christmas Day- that's ok. I want a war on the goddamn Christmas season. I do not want to be assaulted with Christmas carols in August. I do not want Halloween decorations covered in tinsel. I do not want Thanksgiving (the best holiday of the year) to be turned into pre-black Friday sales. I am thoroughly sick of Christmas shopping and all the stress that entails.

No, I'm not merry, don't want to be merry, not going to be merry, and if you fuss at me about not saying "Merry Christmas" I'm going to jam that completely pagan Christmas tree so far up your ass you're going to cry pine needles.
 
2012-12-11 09:17:32 AM  

RobSeace: Is that the one where everyone pretends to be Christians


yep

RobSeace: but 95% of them have no idea what Christ even said


indeed

RobSeace: and of the remaining 5%, the vast majority deliberately choose not to follow what he said anyway?


that's 101%??!?!!

give some examples of this majority, and what they are failing to follow

RobSeace: Because, yeah, you guys are losing that war badly...


victory never required superior numbers, and don't mistake battles for the war

RobSeace: The "Christians" that anyone else might be at "war" with are not the ones that follow the teachings of Christ.


perhaps, we may need to ponder this a bit more

RobSeace: Even us atheists generally dig what Jesus had to say about most things


95% of them have no idea what Christ even said, and of the remaining 5%, they uninamimously deliberately choose not to follow what he said anyway

RobSeace: It's his pissed off dad's rantings we don't much care for


such as?

RobSeace: But, as an atheist, I'd personally love it if everyone in the world who called themselves a Christian really were a true one... The world would be a lot better place for it


be careful what you ask for, i concur
 
2012-12-11 09:17:58 AM  

JackieRabbit: I could not care less if a Christian group puts up a nativity in a public space. No one should. But here's the thing I don't get. Christmas is actually supposed to be a somewhat sombre holiday in Christian tradition because it begins Jesus' trail and betrayal by Man. The most important and joyous of Christian holidays is Easter: the new covenant is fulfilled; Christ conquers the death and darkness of sin. But for most Christians, Easter is something of an afterthought holiday. They pay it some lip service, but that's about all. We don't often see them wanting to do passion plays and the Stations of the Cross in public spaces, on Good Friday and, when they do, the atheist thugs tend to ignore it.

Also strange about modern Christians is that Christmastide is supposed to be a 12 day celebration starting at sundown Christmas Eve and running until sundown of the Epiphany (January 6th). But for the vast majority of Christians in America, the holiday is over once the gifts are opened and they've stuffed there bellies. Attention then returns to football and after-Christmas sales. Eastertide, too is a multi-day celebration, commencing at sundown of the Saturday after Good Friday and ending on Pentecost Sunday, for a total of 50 days. The only evidence one will see of this is a white drape on a cross in front of a church (this is not a Christian tradition nor a liturgical practice, but dates back only about 30 years).


None of that is strange when you realize that Christianity is mostly a social control mechanism. It was able to shed useless parts that weren't desirable. Who needs all those extra holidays interfering with worker output? Who needs "turn the other cheek", when you are busy instituting militarist reform in your society. Who needs loving your neighbor when the aristocrats need men to fight their proxy wars. Charity, if you need charity it means you just didn't pull those bootstraps hard enough. Better to just let those needy die.

You see, America has created a perfectly suited, perfectly efficient pseudo sub religion out Christianity. It's like Harry Fords assembly line for fundamentalism.
 
2012-12-11 09:18:47 AM  
*Henry
 
2012-12-11 09:20:09 AM  
The most violent acts this mouth-breather's ever committed have been inflicted upon the Golden Corral's inventory.
 
2012-12-11 09:20:23 AM  
Wow BamBam is branching out! I usually only see Barber in terms of his anti-gay spew.

I'm not one to USUALLY go with the "he's like this because he's really a self-hating gay man", but in Matt's case, it's kinda obvious (OK more than "kinda"). All of the postured aggression belies the lingering understanding that if he WERE to "take on" someone they might actually over-power him, and he would be "forced" to succumb to them. Watching him, you get the impression what Barber REALLY wants is to be tied up and gang banged by hairy bears, bikers, and other "real men" hearing them chant "The power of cock compels you!" until he can no longer hold back and releases his demons in a cathartic explosion of repressed energy.

Of course he'd never admit to it, but Brian Brown faps to this VERY SAME fantasy.
 
2012-12-11 09:21:05 AM  

Raharu: In short: He is a complete and total waste of your god damn time. Reply at your peril; I suggest ignore.


IDW is many things: annoying, frustrating, tenacious, stubborn, irrational, even crazy at times... But, to call him a troll is wrong... To suggest ignoring him is just a sign of a weak mind... He likes to argue, that's all... I wish he didn't delight so much in pushing people's buttons and inciting them to anger so often, but oh well... We all have our faults... Still, I think he contributes more to discussions than bullshiat like this ranting against him does...
 
2012-12-11 09:24:16 AM  

ox45tallboy: Does not approve.

Yes he does!


Are you guys going to keep going back and forth, back and forth, back and forth on this?
 
2012-12-11 09:26:54 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: grokca: Christian America taught me that pre-emptive strikes are legal, so I'm off to punch a Christian in the mouth.

how does the brimstone and fire feel


-11 C here right now, so brimstone and fire would feel great.
 
TWX
2012-12-11 09:28:30 AM  
Americans aren't Christians.

I repeat, Americans aren't Christians.

Americans, by and large, are Consumerists. They worship their chattel property, their credit limits, and their ability to buy, buy, BUY. The War on Christmas in the religious sense was lost in the 1950s with the rise of consumer culture. Religion is now franchised, with additional services for additional costs by the "faithful" with gym memberships, daycare centers, restaurants, and all other manner of otherwise-businesses tucked into the umbrella of the church.

Can you name the most important day in Christianity? I'll give you a hint, it's not the day he was born.

The most important day in Christianity is Good Friday. The day he died. The day for the death he chose to accept in order to save the souls of everyone else, a personal sacrifice in order to redeem his fellow men. If you really believe in Christianity, in Jesus, this should be the single most important day of your religious life, possibly the most important day, period. This man died for you, and that self-sacrifice, not his birth, not his miracles in curing the sick or feeding the masses, not even his resurrection should be more important to you.

If you do not feel this way then you need to seriously reconsider the nature of your faith, and why you call yourself a Christian, why you worship Jesus. If your church has chosen to do away with the icon of Jesus dying on the cross, for you, then you need to seriously reconsider your church. His death and the reasons for it are why there's a religion in the first place, and an inability to face those reasons means there's no other reason for the religion.
 
2012-12-11 09:28:44 AM  

RobSeace: Raharu: In short: He is a complete and total waste of your god damn time. Reply at your peril; I suggest ignore.

IDW is many things: annoying, frustrating, tenacious, stubborn, irrational, even crazy at times... But, to call him a troll is wrong... To suggest ignoring him is just a sign of a weak mind... He likes to argue, that's all... I wish he didn't delight so much in pushing people's buttons and inciting them to anger so often, but oh well... We all have our faults... Still, I think he contributes more to discussions than bullshiat like this ranting against him does...


Agreed - I would mark him non-troll, and harmless. i never argue with him because i never know what he's talking about, but a lot of other people seem to enjoy arguing with him, so it's all good.
 
2012-12-11 09:29:31 AM  

Raharu: Next he'll post either a copy of the above post with the names changed, or tell me Im being a good dog and to fetch and beg.


And for my next magic trick, I will prove beyond any reasonable doubt that I have prophetic powers and can predict THE FUTURE.

I bet, somewhere in this thread Raharu will post a prepared disclaimer originally authored by Ishkur, a farker with such charisma that his cult followers blindly do his ministry for him, designed to protect all precious snowflakes within the Idiot Brigade from original thought and (heaven forbid) any dissenting viewpoints :o

watch and be amazed...
 
2012-12-11 09:30:13 AM  

phaseolus: HindiDiscoMonster: I don't know how to break this to you... but I see quite a bit more Pagan decoration during Christmas than Christian... how come no Atheists attack those displays and demand the removal (from public lands) displays of Christmas trees, Santa, or other Pagan symbols... how come only Christians get the hate? Seems to me, you should attack the largest market - Pagan symbols.

Nobody worships Santa, you dolt.


Lawful evil dyslexics do.
 
2012-12-11 09:32:19 AM  

Chariset: Theologian here. Want my take on the War on Christmas?

It's the panicked, flailing reaction of the Religious Right to the sudden realization that the US is celebrating a completely secular holiday in December -- one which could go by Christmas or "the holidays" or Snowflake Day or whatever. They had liked to believe that the country went insane as a sign of religious devotion. Now they see that what is celebrated as Christmas by most of the country is not the same holiday as the Christian Christmas.

Think of it like a child born on the 4th of July. Think of the tantrum he might throw the first time he realizes that the parade and the fireworks aren't for him. "No! They're doing it for ME because it's MY BIRTHDAY!" It's like that, only with more airtime.


My mother's facebook friend started a petition to keep Santa out of Christ's birthday. They're starting to eat their own.
 
2012-12-11 09:33:19 AM  
Christmas - people spending money they don't have, to buy people they don't like, crap they don't want or need

It's all marketing to move the merch and make a profit.
 
2012-12-11 09:35:05 AM  
I just re-read the article and noticed this whole nativity scene conflict happened way back in 2008. Why the fark does anyone still give a shiat?
 
2012-12-11 09:35:26 AM  
I'm an atheist and I like Christmas. Not the stuff about the magical baby and whatnot, the secular part with roots in ancient pagan traditions that celebrates the winter solstice. It's the darkest time of the year so instead of being all dreary, how about some festivities and lights and singing and most importantly drinks? I don't mind carols or people saying Merry Christmas or whichever other holiday (I'm a fan of saying Happy Festivus). Basically, the holiday itself, to me, is about being around your friends and family and spending time together. The whole month of December and into January is all about good cheer, good will towards men, and the giving spirit. Whatever it is to anyone else, this is what it is to me. Whatever traditions you have or want to celebrate that's cool with me. We can each celebrate (or not if you prefer) in our own way.

As a non-militant atheist (ie, one who isn't anti-religion), the only people I've ever had a problem with is the ones who won't do unto others when it comes to religion. Live and let live people.
 
2012-12-11 09:36:14 AM  

WorldCitizen: ox45tallboy: Asa Phelps: I've never met an atheist who's been up in arms over "christmas".

Maybe a jehova's witness, but those guys don't even have birthdays of their own.

I'm an atheist, and I LOVE Christmas*. Family, gifts, vacation days from work, tons of great food, etc. Online shopping now removes the whole "braving retail stores during Christmas season" thing.

*With the possible exception of my neighbor's life-size singing Santa on their porch hooked up to a motion detector.

Same here. As someone who holds no religious beliefs, I quite enjoy Christmas. I don't really see what snowmen, Santa Claus, decorated pine trees, lights everywhere, and spending time and giving with friends and family has to do specifically with the birth of Jesus or even Christianity as a whole.


Another one, here.

Christmas as it's celebrated is really more of a cultural holiday than a religious one (unless you choose to go to a church service or something).

Atheist Christmas is awesome.
 
2012-12-11 09:36:16 AM  

RobSeace: IDW is many things: annoying, frustrating, tenacious, stubborn, irrational, even crazy at times... But, to call him a troll is wrong... To suggest ignoring him is just a sign of a weak mind... He likes to argue, that's all... I wish he didn't delight so much in pushing people's buttons and inciting them to anger so often, but oh well... We all have our faults... Still, I think he contributes more to discussions than bullshiat like this ranting against him does..


www.theamericanbookofthedead.com

now you farked up
 
2012-12-11 09:37:35 AM  

Wellon Dowd: Whom Would Jesus Punch?


Jews selling crap in the synagogue.
 
2012-12-11 09:37:53 AM  

I drunk what: I bet, somewhere in this thread Raharu will post a prepared disclaimer originally authored by Ishkur, a farker with such charisma that his cult followers blindly do his ministry for him, designed to protect all precious snowflakes within the Idiot Brigade from original thought and (heaven forbid) any dissenting viewpoints :o


Brilliant! You predicted THE PAST!
 
2012-12-11 09:38:15 AM  
Jesus . . .

zapt1.staticworld.net

. . . is the reason . . .

www.washingtonpost.com

. . . for the season

theposhreportonline.com

You'd think this jackhole would be thrilled that people would want to remove his religious icon from the face of a holiday that's become an effigy to mindless excess. Jesus apparently died for your bargain bins.
 
2012-12-11 09:38:25 AM  

ox45tallboy: WorldCitizen: Same here. As someone who holds no religious beliefs, I quite enjoy Christmas. I don't really see what snowmen, Santa Claus, decorated pine trees, lights everywhere, and spending time and giving with friends and family has to do specifically with the birth of Jesus or even Christianity as a whole.

When Christian people ask why I have a Christmas tree if I'm an atheist, I like to point out that the Christmas tree is pagan such as is described in Jeremiah 10:2-4:

2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.


See that is your problem. You assume that they would be interested what is in the bible apart from a few choice verses.
 
2012-12-11 09:38:42 AM  
"Grinchbongo is destroying Christmas!"

"There are 48 Christmas trees in the White House."

"What a waste of taxpayer money!"

"Dafuq?"
 
2012-12-11 09:40:36 AM  

Glockenspiel Hero: Speaking as an atheist, I want a war on Christmas

Not Christmas Day- that's ok. I want a war on the goddamn Christmas season. I do not want to be assaulted with Christmas carols in August. I do not want Halloween decorations covered in tinsel. I do not want Thanksgiving (the best holiday of the year) to be turned into pre-black Friday sales. I am thoroughly sick of Christmas shopping and all the stress that entails.

No, I'm not merry, don't want to be merry, not going to be merry, and if you fuss at me about not saying "Merry Christmas" I'm going to jam that completely pagan Christmas tree so far up your ass you're going to cry pine needles.


What you want is a war on the commercialism that has almost entirely subverted the spiritual aspects of what Christmas represents. I know a lot of devote Christians who feel the same way. This has nothing to do with your lack of faith and everything to do with the insult to your intellect. Were the common celebration in America not Christmas but Yule, we'd have the same problem.
 
2012-12-11 09:41:17 AM  

giftedmadness: L.D. Ablo: Those are the cries of a wounded, cornered and dying animal. The Scary Black Guy got re-elected, they lost the culture war and will be irrelevant in another generation.

it's so funny that you libs actually believe that conservatives are racist. It's amusing.


Not all conservatives are racist, but most racists tend to be conservatives. Or Republicans, at least (as I feel that the ideology of modern Republicans isn't particularly conservative anymore).
 
2012-12-11 09:41:48 AM  

Chariset: Think of it like a child born on the 4th of July. Think of the tantrum he might throw the first time he realizes that the parade and the fireworks aren't for him. "No! They're doing it for ME because it's MY BIRTHDAY!" It's like that, only with more airtime.


I didn't throw a tantrum. It was more of a seep seated sadness that remains with me to this day.
 
2012-12-11 09:41:59 AM  

Chariset: Theologian here. Want my take on the War on Christmas?

It's the panicked, flailing reaction of the Religious Right to the sudden realization that the US is celebrating a completely secular holiday in December -- one which could go by Christmas or "the holidays" or Snowflake Day or whatever. They had liked to believe that the country went insane as a sign of religious devotion. Now they see that what is celebrated as Christmas by most of the country is not the same holiday as the Christian Christmas.

Think of it like a child born on the 4th of July. Think of the tantrum he might throw the first time he realizes that the parade and the fireworks aren't for him. "No! They're doing it for ME because it's MY BIRTHDAY!" It's like that, only with more airtime.


That's exactly right. It's the religious right that are waging a war on the Christmas the rest of us want to celebrate.
 
2012-12-11 09:43:34 AM  
i'm an atheist, but i don't hate religion... i just hate christianity.

there are other bad ones, but it is the worst.
 
2012-12-11 09:44:01 AM  

Relatively Obscure: ox45tallboy: I submitted a TFD about it a week or so ago and the best suggestion I got was to reprogram the damn thing so it told dirty jokes. I went so far as to find the wiring scheme for one that looked just like it online, and had actually considered doing this.The following day they had turned off the motion detector, so now I'm wondering if my neighbor has TF, or possibly just realized how f*cking annoying that thing really is.

Nice. If I had those kind of skills, I'd have probably gone with uncomfortable Crazy Old Man style ranting, myself.



Use a bunch of MP3s of Uncle Ruckus' rants from "Boondocks."
 
2012-12-11 09:48:14 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Something I noticed about Atheists (at least here) is they never complain about Santa or Christmas trees and such... only about Christian decorations... I wonder why they don't attack the Pagan stuff too....

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because like most other religions, Pagans don't whine like christians do.
They get grumpy about being left out of places like Arlington National Cemetery but other than that, they're content just being recognized - see how it works?
 
2012-12-11 09:48:22 AM  
Atheist for over 30 years. There's a certain percentage of us who are complete douchebags and who do, indeed, need to be ****punched for being all douchebaggy about Christmas.
 
2012-12-11 09:49:18 AM  

Relatively Obscure: I couldn't say what the frequency was.


Thanks for nothing, Kenneth.
 
2012-12-11 09:49:42 AM  
i.imgur.com

/works for this, too
 
2012-12-11 09:49:46 AM  

I drunk what: RobSeace: and of the remaining 5%, the vast majority deliberately choose not to follow what he said anyway?

that's 101%??!?!!


?? Joke or math fail?

give some examples of this majority, and what they are failing to follow

Well, for example, take this guy suggesting violence in the name of Christ... Seems a pretty clear failure to get Jesus' message of peace and love, doesn't it?

He may not represent the majority of Christians, but him and others like him sure do seem to represent the loud public face of your religion, at least...

RobSeace: Even us atheists generally dig what Jesus had to say about most things

95% of them have no idea what Christ even said, and of the remaining 5%, they uninamimously deliberately choose not to follow what he said anyway


I think a lot of us end up "following" at least some of what he said, without even trying, just because it's generally good advice...

RobSeace: It's his pissed off dad's rantings we don't much care for

such as?


Pretty much all of them... His insecure demand to be worshipped all the time is pretty disgusting... His silly calls for animal sacrifice is primitive and barbaric... His ridiculous dietary restrictions on people are laughable... His commanding that people should be put to death for trivial "sins" is outrageous and unjust... Nearly everything he supposedly said and did is reprehensible and unworthy of the slightest respect, let alone worship... His son, on the other hand, seemed a whole lot mellower and cool...
 
2012-12-11 09:50:37 AM  

doyner: Since that's exactly what Jesus would do then it's good advice.


If you commit violence in the name of religion, be it a Crusade, a suicide bomb, vandalizing a mosque or espousing a hate crime, you have missed the point entirely.
 
2012-12-11 09:50:52 AM  
Supposedly during the Reformation, the new protestants devoted themselves to the idea of sola scriptura, or scripture only. Yeah, about that.... 

www.christmasisalie.com
www.movetoiceland.com
rlv.zcache.ca
salon.glenrose.net

If you even pretend to be a follower of Yeshua, how on Earth you take part in this evil?
 
2012-12-11 09:51:39 AM  

RobSeace: 0Icky0: RobSeace: Let them have their nativity scenes; it does me no harm

It does no harm to put these graven images on your own property or on the tax-free property of your local church.
There is no reason to put it on public land other than you wanting it to appear that the government endorses your superstitions.

I assume the "you" and "your" were meant generically? Because, as I already said, I'm an atheist...

But, it is public land; it's for us all to use... The Christians should get to put up their displays, as should the Jews, the Muslims, and us atheists as well, if we want to...


Put the Nativity scene up on the church lawn a block down from the courthouse.

Was that so difficult?
 
2012-12-11 09:54:34 AM  
Goddamnit. I'm a more of a cynical agnostic... leaning atheist. I LOVE Christmas and can't wait to get paid on Friday so I can go get my Christmas tree. Everyone else I know is the same way, most of them staunch atheists and still trim a damn tree, put up lights, do the gift giving and have parties.

Everyone needs to shut the fark up.
 
2012-12-11 09:54:47 AM  
Its not a war on Christmas actually, its the renewed attack by the cult of Mithras who wants his day back so until we acknowledge that Christmas was actually a pagan holiday which was changed to the birth of Jesus to dupe uneducated people to believe the entire Christianity thing. And Mithras says that you should buy gifts for people on Mithrasday.
 
2012-12-11 09:55:03 AM  
and now for the punchline...

I drunk what: Raharu: Next he'll post either a copy of the above post with the names changed, or tell me Im being a good dog and to fetch and beg.

And for my next magic trick, I will prove beyond any reasonable doubt that I have prophetic powers and can predict THE FUTURE.

I bet, somewhere in this thread Raharu will post a prepared disclaimer originally authored by Ishkur...


meat0918: You'd be right.

Pants full of macaroni!!: Brilliant! You predicted THE PAST FUTURE!


The Idiot Brigade actually believes this^

some might suggest that i'm an idiot because i'm pretending to be awesome and have people that disagree with me on ignore, and then pretend to be able to know what they are posting (even though i can clearly see what they are posting when someone else quotes their post, even multiple times in the same thread) and still get praise from my fellow IB for being so clever

but what do they know? they aren't freethinkers like we are
 
2012-12-11 09:55:33 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: Oblio13: If there was a Christ, he wasn't born in winter. A winter solstice celebration and the traditions of drinking, feasting, caroling, gift-giving, yule logs, bringing evergreen trees indoors, and decorating with red and green all predate Christianity. If the Jesus People want to complain about "the war on Christmas", they ought to at least be aware that they first usurped the holiday in a political power-grab.

how do you know he wasn't born in winter?

and why can't you accept it??


Probably by using more logic than statements like "PTSD isn't real." contain.
 
2012-12-11 09:55:35 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-11 09:57:28 AM  

cretinbob: Relatively Obscure: I don't really believe he meant "literally punch them in the mouth."

[0.tqn.com image 400x445]
Let's hope we don't have to find out...again


From the article... "But when a little kid is being bullied and he turns around and punches the bully in the mouth - metaphorically speaking, of course - then the bully is oftentimes proven to be a paper tiger."

Reading comprehension... FAIL

also... make sure you overlook the "MSNBC host Joe Scarborough said on Monday that it was actually the conservative talk radio hosts who needed to be "punched in the face."
 
2012-12-11 09:58:50 AM  

I drunk what: The Why Not Guy: giftedmadness: it's so funny that you libs actually believe that conservatives are racist. It's amusing.

Oh, so it was Liberals who sold the "Don't Re-Nig in 2012" bumper stickers? It was Liberals who made the "Put the White Back in the White House" t-shirts? Now that's amusing.

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[www.thestolenolive.net image 850x607]

lulz republicans are the so racist, and since they are conservative that means they are afraid of homosexuals, but i repeat myself



Are you trying to say the bush/chimp comparisons are the same as Obama/chimp comparisons? Try again. One is based on existing racial slurs against blacks and the other is all about relative intelligence and has nothing to do with race.

Troll, or just stupid?
 
2012-12-11 09:58:56 AM  

optimus_grime: i'm an atheist, but i don't hate religion... i just hate christianity.

there are other bad ones, but it is the worst.


hate? meaning u envy??
 
2012-12-11 10:00:01 AM  

RobSeace: To suggest ignoring him is just a sign of a weak mind...


How so? It's like putting people like Bevets on ignore. There's no point in arguing with them or even trying to have a discussion because they are just going to post the same copypasta and ignore all rational arguments. Better to simply ignore them and let them talk to themselves over in the corner.
 
2012-12-11 10:00:11 AM  
As a Christian, I cringe every time I see a nativity scene or other Christian symbol on public property. I wish these idiots would spend their time and energy volunteering in something that would actually make the lives of the less fortunate better instead of fighting some imaginary "war" they need to feed their desire to feel persecuted.
 
2012-12-11 10:02:04 AM  
There's a big difference between casual atheists and professional atheists, just as there are in any moral milieu such as gender and race issues, political correctness, animal rights, etc.

I find that there's an inverse relationship between how vociferous you are about your chosen crusade and the degree to which I agree with you or even care about your point.

(Side question: which is the stranger sentence: "He was a thinking Christian" or "The atheists were on a crusade."?)
 
2012-12-11 10:03:08 AM  

BELIEVING IN FAIRY TALES IS BETTER THAN NOT BELIEVING AT ALL.


/derp
 
2012-12-11 10:03:38 AM  

AnyName: Wow, some of you idiots actually try to track the "opposition" here?

You must be that little Spanish college brat I taught a lesson to all those years ago. You've been chasing these people your whole life only to have them change their user name? I think that's about the worst thing I've ever heard.
[pause]
How marvelous.


Really old troll account or just douche?

See, when someone is blatantly trolling (and there's a lot of people who do that here and they have a lot of alts), it's a lot easier to just click on their name, add a note like "blatantly trolling on racial issues," and then just ignore them in the future. It's a lot easier in the long run.

And there's a strong difference in an opposing viewpoint and someone just spamming retarded shiat in an effort to piss people off.
 
2012-12-11 10:03:47 AM  

cretinbob: Relatively Obscure: I don't really believe he meant "literally punch them in the mouth."

[0.tqn.com image 400x445]
Let's hope we don't have to find out...again


hey little brain, you do realize it was a left wing christmas hating nut that shot her not a right wing god fearing christmas loving christian.
 
2012-12-11 10:04:17 AM  

Ebbelwoi: Atheist for over 30 years. There's a certain percentage of us who are complete douchebags and who do, indeed, need to be ****punched for being all douchebaggy about Christmas.


The douchebags you refer to are what are being called "new atheists." Atheists have long fought specific battles to prevent religious dogma from being forced down everyone's throats. The fight against school prayer is a prime example. When I was in grade school in the 1960s, one was required to recite a non-denominational prayer. Atheists rightfully opposed such practices. But they also understood that religious people had just as much right to belive as they did not to belive. This isn't the case with new atheists. For them not believing in a supreme being isn't enough. They are anti-religion; they want to abolish religion. The process of social secularization is too slow for them. Some of this is simply backlash against evangelical absurdity, but for many, their primary motivation is political. They insist on perverting the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to mean that the government opposes all religions, when it's purpose is clearly to prevent the government from formulating official policy in regard to any religion, in order to promote the free practice of any religion. When one tells one of these new atheist that their point of view is actually Stalinist, they become offended.
 
2012-12-11 10:04:30 AM  

Oblio13: If there was a Christ, he wasn't born in winter. A winter solstice celebration and the traditions of drinking, feasting, caroling, gift-giving, yule logs, bringing evergreen trees indoors, and decorating with red and green all predate Christianity. If the Jesus People want to complain about "the war on Christmas", they ought to at least be aware that they first usurped the holiday in a political power-grab.


www.stlukeumc40213.org
Party on dudes!
 
2012-12-11 10:07:17 AM  

Eagle2001: As a Christian, I cringe every time I see a nativity scene or other Christian symbol on public property.


And I wonder how many of those people clamoring for the 10 Commandments to be displayed in courthouses have them displayed in their own home.

/And how many 10 Commandments and Nativity supporters don't see the contradiction in their simultaneous hatred of, and love of, graven images.
 
2012-12-11 10:07:54 AM  

Dimensio: Chariset: Theologian here. Want my take on the War on Christmas?

It's the panicked, flailing reaction of the Religious Right to the sudden realization that the US is celebrating a completely secular holiday in December -- one which could go by Christmas or "the holidays" or Snowflake Day or whatever. They had liked to believe that the country went insane as a sign of religious devotion. Now they see that what is celebrated as Christmas by most of the country is not the same holiday as the Christian Christmas.

Think of it like a child born on the 4th of July. Think of the tantrum he might throw the first time he realizes that the parade and the fireworks aren't for him. "No! They're doing it for ME because it's MY BIRTHDAY!" It's like that, only with more airtime.

Are you saying that the nation is in fact not celebrating my birthday on December 25?

/will be 35.


Mine is on the 25th too. Do you have the overall impression that your birthday is amplified somehow by the coinciding holiday or do you feel a bit ripped off? BTW, I've got about 10 years on you and no longer give much of a shiat about either one.
 
2012-12-11 10:08:01 AM  

rocketpants: hitlersbrain: Why do these things always HAVE to be on public land? Isn't there a nearby church or a private yard you can put that shiat in?

Exactly.



It has to be on public land because they're farking Xtian jihadists who believe this country and its government are THEIRS and theirs alone, so they're constantly trying to insert their Diseased Dick of Dogma into the ass of the public any way they can.

Think of the Wall of Separation of Church and State as a college freshman who's the only female at a neverending frat party, and the Xtians as drunken frat boys who keep trying to feed her drinks and roofies in a constant effort to get in her pants (or get ANY cheap thrill on the way to that ultimate goal) any way they can.

That's the macro view. On a person-by-person level, it's about dealing with their own fears by changing the world around them.
 
2012-12-11 10:10:04 AM  
i208.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-11 10:11:54 AM  

Mose: Jorn the Younger: Nick Nostril: Jorn the Younger:

/If you have to add cool whip to distract from the flavor of your pumpkin pie, you're eating bad pie

It's all we can afford, so you can have my Cool hWhip when you pry it from my cold, dead, fat fingers.

If you can only afford bad tasting pie, why not make the pie instead? A small pumpkin hardly costs anything, and a decent vanilla ice cream only a few bucks (for in the pie, not on the pie), and pre-made pie crusts are like 2 for $1.50. There's a bit of seasonings and spices in it, sure, but I'd have to ask my lady what they are, as she does the actual making of the pie

Molasses is key. Only need a little if your squash of choice is naturally sweet. I usually make mine from my garden butternut squash.


Last T-day, an extended family member baked a sweet potato pie and *damn* it was good. I don't think anyone would have guessed it wasn't made from a orange gourd if she hadn't said so. Gonna have to get her recipe...
 
2012-12-11 10:16:01 AM  

RobSeace: I drunk what: RobSeace: and of the remaining 5%, the vast majority deliberately choose not to follow what he said anyway?

that's 101%??!?!!

?? Joke or math fail?

give some examples of this majority, and what they are failing to follow

Well, for example, take this guy suggesting violence in the name of Christ... Seems a pretty clear failure to get Jesus' message of peace and love, doesn't it?

He may not represent the majority of Christians, but him and others like him sure do seem to represent the loud public face of your religion, at least...

RobSeace: Even us atheists generally dig what Jesus had to say about most things

95% of them have no idea what Christ even said, and of the remaining 5%, they uninamimously deliberately choose not to follow what he said anyway

I think a lot of us end up "following" at least some of what he said, without even trying, just because it's generally good advice...

RobSeace: It's his pissed off dad's rantings we don't much care for

such as?

Pretty much all of them... His insecure demand to be worshipped all the time is pretty disgusting... His silly calls for animal sacrifice is primitive and barbaric... His ridiculous dietary restrictions on people are laughable... His commanding that people should be put to death for trivial "sins" is outrageous and unjust... Nearly everything he supposedly said and did is reprehensible and unworthy of the slightest respect, let alone worship... His son, on the other hand, seemed a whole lot mellower and cool...


Not to mention the whole bears thing just for making fun of a bald guy. Sheesh! Dude is a dick.
 
2012-12-11 10:17:35 AM  

giftedmadness: L.D. Ablo: Those are the cries of a wounded, cornered and dying animal. The Scary Black Guy got re-elected, they lost the culture war and will be irrelevant in another generation.

it's so funny that you libs actually believe that conservatives are racist. It's amusing.


I know conservatives are racist. I spend the holidays with some of them. In fact, I learn new racial slurs from them all the time. Just last week one used the term mooncrickets and I had to check urban dictionary to figure out which race he was insulting.

Oh, and I went to a gun show with a buddy of mine (another gun loving libtard like myself) and his not a libtard dad went along even though he said didn't need a new gun because had enough to "kill a few ni**ers".


But it's the liberals who are the real racists. Yeah.
 
2012-12-11 10:20:21 AM  

JackieRabbit: Ebbelwoi: Atheist for over 30 years. There's a certain percentage of us who are complete douchebags and who do, indeed, need to be ****punched for being all douchebaggy about Christmas.

The douchebags you refer to are what are being called "new atheists." Atheists have long fought specific battles to prevent religious dogma from being forced down everyone's throats. The fight against school prayer is a prime example. When I was in grade school in the 1960s, one was required to recite a non-denominational prayer. Atheists rightfully opposed such practices. But they also understood that religious people had just as much right to belive as they did not to belive. This isn't the case with new atheists. For them not believing in a supreme being isn't enough. They are anti-religion; they want to abolish religion. The process of social secularization is too slow for them. Some of this is simply backlash against evangelical absurdity, but for many, their primary motivation is political. They insist on perverting the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to mean that the government opposes all religions, when it's purpose is clearly to prevent the government from formulating official policy in regard to any religion, in order to promote the free practice of any religion. When one tells one of these new atheist that their point of view is actually Stalinist, they become offended.


You are pretty much wrong on every point. So wrong that you might just be the wrongest person in this thread. I bet you came pretty hard after spinning that bit of paranoid fantasy.

Hint: not wanting to live under Jesus sharia isn't "wanting to abolish religion".

I will forever reserve the right to loudly and publicly declaim that I think your religion is literally and specifically as ridiculous to believe in as Thor, Zeus, and Poseidon worship. Jesus riding a farking unicorn with a talking toad sidekick.

But no matter how childish, ignorant, inane and self contradictory I find your religion, I will defend to the death your right to observe it. But not your right to press your fundamentalism on others.

That atheists want to ban religion is what fundamentalists tell people like you to spread around the Internet.
 
2012-12-11 10:21:25 AM  
Come get some asshole
 
2012-12-11 10:24:44 AM  

JackieRabbit: The douchebags you refer to are what are being called "new atheists." Atheists have long fought specific battles to prevent religious dogma from being forced down everyone's throats. The fight against school prayer is a prime example. When I was in grade school in the 1960s, one was required to recite a non-denominational prayer. Atheists rightfully opposed such practices. But they also understood that religious people had just as much right to belive as they did not to belive. This isn't the case with new atheists. For them not believing in a supreme being isn't enough. They are anti-religion; they want to abolish religion. The process of social secularization is too slow for them. Some of this is simply backlash against evangelical absurdity, but for many, their primary motivation is political. They insist on perverting the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to mean that the government opposes all religions, when it's purpose is clearly to prevent the government from formulating official policy in regard to any religion, in order to promote the free practice of any religion. When one tells one of these new atheist that their point of view is actually Stalinist, they become offended.


Well if you believe one stupid thing already, you might as well believe this stupid thing, too.
 
2012-12-11 10:25:31 AM  

HypnozombieX: Come get some asshole


I really hope there was supposed to be a comma in there.
 
2012-12-11 10:25:43 AM  

Chariset: Theologian here. Want my take on the War on Christmas?

It's the panicked, flailing reaction of the Religious Right to the sudden realization that the US is celebrating a completely secular holiday in December -- one which could go by Christmas or "the holidays" or Snowflake Day or whatever. They had liked to believe that the country went insane as a sign of religious devotion. Now they see that what is celebrated as Christmas by most of the country is not the same holiday as the Christian Christmas.

Think of it like a child born on the 4th of July. Think of the tantrum he might throw the first time he realizes that the parade and the fireworks aren't for him. "No! They're doing it for ME because it's MY BIRTHDAY!" It's like that, only with more airtime.


EXACTLY
 
2012-12-11 10:27:16 AM  

Mr. Cat Poop: giftedmadness: L.D. Ablo: Those are the cries of a wounded, cornered and dying animal. The Scary Black Guy got re-elected, they lost the culture war and will be irrelevant in another generation.

it's so funny that you libs actually believe that conservatives are racist. It's amusing.

I know conservatives are racist. I spend the holidays with some of them. In fact, I learn new racial slurs from them all the time. Just last week one used the term mooncrickets and I had to check urban dictionary to figure out which race he was insulting.

Oh, and I went to a gun show with a buddy of mine (another gun loving libtard like myself) and his not a libtard dad went along even though he said didn't need a new gun because had enough to "kill a few ni**ers".


But it's the liberals who are the real racists. Yeah.



Same experiences. So many I've lost count. When black guys are around, they're all smiles or quiet as church mice. When they're gone, the racist comments come out. Black people are right to be suspicious of Republicans.

But to the GOP apologists, that doesn't matter since support of social programs is "liberal racism" because it supposedly assumes minorities can't manage their own lives (but that doesn't stop the GOP from doing the same thing). Or else they'll tell you stories about "northern liberals" (Boston, usually) who are "union thugs" and racist, which means that it balances out and ALL liberals are racist and the whole thing we see over and over for years with the deep south and right wingers is all some kind of mirage.
 
2012-12-11 10:31:50 AM  

keylock71: Churches, Synagogs, and private citizens are free to put up all the religious displays on their property they want last I checked. No reason to use public land at all.


It's almost - just almost - as if they're not content to enjoy their religion amongst themselves. But nah, organized religions have never tried to force their beliefs on others before...
 
2012-12-11 10:34:04 AM  
Those that pray the loudest are usually the biggest sinners. This is why most TV/Radio "christian" personalities are such douche bags.
 
2012-12-11 10:35:12 AM  

Waldo Pepper: JackieRabbit: I could not care less if a Christian group puts up a nativity in a public space. No one should. But here's the thing I don't get. Christmas is actually supposed to be a somewhat sombre holiday in Christian tradition because it begins Jesus' trail and betrayal by Man. The most important and joyous of Christian holidays is Easter: the new covenant is fulfilled; Christ conquers the death and darkness of sin. But for most Christians, Easter is something of an afterthought holiday. They pay it some lip service, but that's about all. We don't often see them wanting to do passion plays and the Stations of the Cross in public spaces, on Good Friday and, when they do, the atheist thugs tend to ignore it.

Also strange about modern Christians is that Christmastide is supposed to be a 12 day celebration starting at sundown Christmas Eve and running until sundown of the Epiphany (January 6th). But for the vast majority of Christians in America, the holiday is over once the gifts are opened and they've stuffed there bellies. Attention then returns to football and after-Christmas sales. Eastertide, too is a multi-day celebration, commencing at sundown of the Saturday after Good Friday and ending on Pentecost Sunday, for a total of 50 days. The only evidence one will see of this is a white drape on a cross in front of a church (this is not a Christian tradition nor a liturgical practice, but dates back only about 30 years).

As a Christian I agree that Easter has taken a backseat to Christmas. Joy to the World was originally a song for Easter and for some reason it has been assigned to Christmas. The Joy was not that Jesus was born, the Joy is Christ died and rose again for everyone. I know most on here don't agree but that isn't the point here.

for Christians's Christmas is no longer about the birth of Jesus and the beginning of his mission on earth, it is all about "want and desire"


I was raised Episcopalian and a high churchman. One of my favorite "hymns" was Veni Veni Emmanuel. This is actually an Advent hymn or, more correctly, a plainsong prayer. My parish conducted a candle mass at sundown Christmas eve, during which the lights of the nave were lowered and we sang it kneeling. Here's a beautiful recording of it: Link. Note the slow, solemn cadence.
 
2012-12-11 10:37:08 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Something I noticed about Atheists (at least here) is they never complain about Santa or Christmas trees and such... only about Christian decorations... I wonder why they don't attack the Pagan stuff too....

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Who the fark complains about nativity scenes? It sounds like you are taking a personal anecdote and attributing it to a large group of people.
 
2012-12-11 10:38:06 AM  

Asa Phelps: I've never met an atheist who's been up in arms over "christmas".

Maybe a jehova's witness, but those guys don't even have birthdays of their own.


http://antichristmas.org/
http://www.ihatechristmas.net/
http://atheism.about.com/od/christmasholidayseason/tp/War-On-Christma s -Victories.htm
 
2012-12-11 10:42:00 AM  

Citrate1007: HindiDiscoMonster: Something I noticed about Atheists (at least here) is they never complain about Santa or Christmas trees and such... only about Christian decorations... I wonder why they don't attack the Pagan stuff too....

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Who the fark complains about nativity scenes? It sounds like you are taking a personal anecdote and attributing it to a large group of people.


I only hear about these "angry atheists" on the Internet - I don't know any in real life. I suppose you could say I'm an "atheist" - but I'm not annoyed with anyone about it. I filed religion away under "bullshiat i don't have time for" a long time ago. I don't have time to argue against it either, and i don't care what people believe as long as they don't bother me about it. On the other hand, if people start punching me in the mouth for saying "happy holidays" instead of what they think I should say, I could change my mind.
 
2012-12-11 10:42:39 AM  

JackieRabbit: Ebbelwoi: Atheist for over 30 years. There's a certain percentage of us who are complete douchebags and who do, indeed, need to be ****punched for being all douchebaggy about Christmas.

The douchebags you refer to are what are being called "new atheists." Atheists have long fought specific battles to prevent religious dogma from being forced down everyone's throats. The fight against school prayer is a prime example. When I was in grade school in the 1960s, one was required to recite a non-denominational prayer. Atheists rightfully opposed such practices. But they also understood that religious people had just as much right to belive as they did not to belive. This isn't the case with new atheists. For them not believing in a supreme being isn't enough. They are anti-religion; they want to abolish religion. The process of social secularization is too slow for them. Some of this is simply backlash against evangelical absurdity, but for many, their primary motivation is political. They insist on perverting the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to mean that the government opposes all religions, when it's purpose is clearly to prevent the government from formulating official policy in regard to any religion, in order to promote the free practice of any religion. When one tells one of these new atheist that their point of view is actually Stalinist, they become offended.


We've seen numerous examples of efforts to inject religion into public life. I'd like you to provide one example of an effort to abolish religion. Not limit it, but actually abolish it.
 
2012-12-11 10:43:27 AM  

clane: http://antichristmas.org/
http://www.ihatechristmas.net/
http://atheism.about.com/od/christmasholidayseason/tp/War-On-Christma s -Victories.htm


antichristmas.org appears to be a site that's against Christmas commercialism, more about hating the Santas and the stupid music and the early decorations and whatever. I don't see an anti-religious message here.

ihatechristmas.net appears to be about the same, but a little funnier.

You just linked an about.com site, which isn't an atheist site at all and I wonder about why they'd call anything 'victories.' I thought about.com just sucked and didn't have any agenda other than sucking.
 
2012-12-11 10:44:17 AM  

someonelse: JackieRabbit: Ebbelwoi: Atheist for over 30 years. There's a certain percentage of us who are complete douchebags and who do, indeed, need to be ****punched for being all douchebaggy about Christmas.

The douchebags you refer to are what are being called "new atheists." Atheists have long fought specific battles to prevent religious dogma from being forced down everyone's throats. The fight against school prayer is a prime example. When I was in grade school in the 1960s, one was required to recite a non-denominational prayer. Atheists rightfully opposed such practices. But they also understood that religious people had just as much right to belive as they did not to belive. This isn't the case with new atheists. For them not believing in a supreme being isn't enough. They are anti-religion; they want to abolish religion. The process of social secularization is too slow for them. Some of this is simply backlash against evangelical absurdity, but for many, their primary motivation is political. They insist on perverting the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to mean that the government opposes all religions, when it's purpose is clearly to prevent the government from formulating official policy in regard to any religion, in order to promote the free practice of any religion. When one tells one of these new atheist that their point of view is actually Stalinist, they become offended.

We've seen numerous examples of efforts to inject religion into public life. I'd like you to provide one example of an effort to abolish religion. Not limit it, but actually abolish it.


Hey, give the guy a break - he's just trying to be "fair and balanced".
 
2012-12-11 10:45:38 AM  

Citrate1007: HindiDiscoMonster: Something I noticed about Atheists (at least here) is they never complain about Santa or Christmas trees and such... only about Christian decorations... I wonder why they don't attack the Pagan stuff too....

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Who the fark complains about nativity scenes? It sounds like you are taking a personal anecdote and attributing it to a large group of people.


Are you even aware of what thread you are in? Perhaps you should read some other posts before derping so hardcore.
 
2012-12-11 10:48:00 AM  

jso2897: I only hear about these "angry atheists" on the Internet - I don't know any in real life.


I believe they exist mainly in an alternate universe, along with militant man-hating feminists, Cadillac-driving welfare queens, those hippies who spit on returning Vietnam vets, and unicorns. It's the place where all our lost socks from the laundry go.
 
2012-12-11 10:48:40 AM  

someonelse: I believe they exist mainly in an alternate universe, along with militant man-hating feminists, Cadillac-driving welfare queens, those hippies who spit on returning Vietnam vets, and unicorns. It's the place where all our lost socks from the laundry go.


Narnia?
 
Ant
2012-12-11 10:50:59 AM  

ox45tallboy: I'm an atheist, and I LOVE Christmas*. Family, gifts, vacation days from work, tons of great food, etc. Online shopping now removes the whole "braving retail stores during Christmas season" thing.


Hell yeah! Christmas is an awesome holiday! I'll even join in singing your religious songs with you. Just don't expect me to believe the lyrics. I don't want to get rid of Christmas, I want to take it over.

/atheist
//also did not go out on Black Friday
 
2012-12-11 10:52:41 AM  

someonelse: jso2897: I only hear about these "angry atheists" on the Internet - I don't know any in real life.

I believe they exist mainly in an alternate universe, along with militant man-hating feminists, Cadillac-driving welfare queens, those hippies who spit on returning Vietnam vets, and unicorns. It's the place where all our lost socks from the laundry go.


What i think is clever is how you can simply ignore reality where those types of Atheists have posted in the very thread in which your comment is in.

/Atheist Bubble?
 
2012-12-11 10:54:37 AM  

JackieRabbit: Glockenspiel Hero: Speaking as an atheist, I want a war on Christmas

Not Christmas Day- that's ok. I want a war on the goddamn Christmas season. I do not want to be assaulted with Christmas carols in August. I do not want Halloween decorations covered in tinsel. I do not want Thanksgiving (the best holiday of the year) to be turned into pre-black Friday sales. I am thoroughly sick of Christmas shopping and all the stress that entails.

No, I'm not merry, don't want to be merry, not going to be merry, and if you fuss at me about not saying "Merry Christmas" I'm going to jam that completely pagan Christmas tree so far up your ass you're going to cry pine needles.

What you want is a war on the commercialism that has almost entirely subverted the spiritual aspects of what Christmas represents. I know a lot of devote Christians who feel the same way. This has nothing to do with your lack of faith and everything to do with the insult to your intellect. Were the common celebration in America not Christmas but Yule, we'd have the same problem.


All true, and irrelevant since any expression like the above is part of the "War on Christmas". You know, shopkeepers not saying "Merry Christmas", towns not being allowed to jam mangers on every flat space in the town square, retailers being attacked if they have "holiday" sales, and so forth. Any statement against the all consuming Christmas season, religious or otherwise, is just fodder.

/I went to my kid's school band concert last night and every single song but one was Christmas-related. (And of course it was The Dreidle Song...) Folks- Christmas music *sucks*, we're heard it all for years and we're all really, really sick of it. Play something else
//I can play exactly one Christmas carol. Gary Hoey's version of the Grinch. I identify with him, although I still think the book should have ended a lot differently.
 
2012-12-11 10:55:15 AM  
Gotdamg right.
 
2012-12-11 10:56:53 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: What i think is clever is how you can simply ignore reality where those types of Atheists have posted in the very thread in which your comment is in.

/Atheist Bubble?


You sound a little sensitive. There's an explicit difference between people who will post on the internet about the topic under discussion and those who will roam the earth roundhouse kicking crosses in half.
 
Ant
2012-12-11 10:58:04 AM  

RobSeace: Let the Christians put up a display, and let the Jews, the Muslims, the Scientologists, the Wiccans, and the atheists put one up as well


No, not the Scientologists. Fark those guys.
 
2012-12-11 10:58:26 AM  

someonelse: We've seen numerous examples of efforts to inject religion into public life. I'd like you to provide one example of an effort to abolish religion. Not limit it, but actually abolish it.


A little thing called the USSR. They didn't shut the churches down, but they damned sure persecuted them and you could not be a member of the Communist Party if you were a practicing Christian or a Jew. American new atheists cannot accomplish this task here, though I have read right here on Fark rants by several of them who have this as a goal.

Just so everyone knows, I am not a Christian. I was raised one, but like so many people, education made me to first question and finally reject. I am agnostic. And I believe that we may criticize others as misguided, but we have no right to attempt to persecute them for holding different beliefs. This used to be one of the central ideas of American socio-political thought, but in recent years, too many have become ignorant of this or outright reject it. On the right, these people call themselves "patriots," while on the left "free-thinkers." None of them are either.
 
2012-12-11 10:59:32 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: someonelse: jso2897: I only hear about these "angry atheists" on the Internet - I don't know any in real life.

I believe they exist mainly in an alternate universe, along with militant man-hating feminists, Cadillac-driving welfare queens, those hippies who spit on returning Vietnam vets, and unicorns. It's the place where all our lost socks from the laundry go.

What i think is clever is how you can simply ignore reality where those types of Atheists have posted in the very thread in which your comment is in.

/Atheist Bubble?


Not in this thread. I saw a lot of atheists with contempt for religion. I saw a lot of atheists that love the holiday season. I saw a lot of atheists that are fine with holiday displays, so long as other faiths(or lack thereof) are permitted. But I didn't see a single one advocating the outlawry of religion, or the suggestion that we should sweep faithies out to sea with fire and sword.(amusing as I find it to think about in idle moments).

/Hindu bubble?
 
Ant
2012-12-11 11:00:42 AM  

RobSeace: Having to see a farking nativity scene isn't oppressing your lack of belief!


You're missing the point. The argument is that putting a nativity scene on public land is the government favoring a particular religion. If you're going to disagree, at least disagree with the correct argument.
 
2012-12-11 11:00:56 AM  

JackieRabbit: A little thing called the USSR.


No one takes you seriously when you say things like this.

JackieRabbit: American new atheists cannot accomplish this task here, though I have read right here on Fark rants by several of them who have this as a goal.


I presume this is a bald-faced lie. It's possible you just have no idea what you're talking about, but more likely it's just a lie.
 
2012-12-11 11:02:46 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: someonelse: jso2897: I only hear about these "angry atheists" on the Internet - I don't know any in real life.

I believe they exist mainly in an alternate universe, along with militant man-hating feminists, Cadillac-driving welfare queens, those hippies who spit on returning Vietnam vets, and unicorns. It's the place where all our lost socks from the laundry go.

What i think is clever is how you can simply ignore reality where those types of Atheists have posted in the very thread in which your comment is in.

/Atheist Bubble?


This is the Internet we're on here. this may be real life to you - it isn't, to me. The half-dozen or so "angry atheists" I see here on Fark could all be one guy. Or religious trolls doing false flag. Or just bored twelve year olds. I don't think the "angry atheist" point of view is all that common in real life - seeing as how I never encounter it, and don't know anybody like that. And I live in Venice, CA, and most of my friends and associates are either aging hippies like me or young hipsters in the arts and entertainment industry. Very few of them are religious, and none of them really seem to give a shiat about it one way or the other. Seems to me that it's a reasonable point of view, so it doesn't surprise me. The "angry atheist" POV, on the other hand, does not strike me as reasonable - so I'm not surprised that I only encounter it in fake places, like the Internet or the Media.
 
Ant
2012-12-11 11:02:54 AM  

StrangeQ: Here's some more fun facts about this asshole:

- Has said that gay male relationships constitute "one man violently cramming his penis into another man's lower intestine and calling it 'love'"

- Has called President Barack Obama an "anti-American" "enemy" who is "determined to destroy America"

- Of a lesbian couple's parental decisions for their transgender child, said: "We shouldn't be surprised that we see this kind of child abuse and brainwashing when we allow children to be placed intentionally in motherless or fatherless homes that model disordered sexual behavior and push the false notion that human sexuality is somehow androgynous," adding that the kid is "the poster child against the unconscionable practice of legalized so-called 'gay adoption.'"

- Routinely uses words like "purveyors of evil" or "satanic" (1:19 in video clip) to refer to his political opponents

- Said Ellen DeGeneres "guides her many adoring housewife fans into rebellion against God's divine and explicit natural order"

- Claims that by supporting LGBT viewers, media outlets are trying "to make the absurd appear reasonable and normal" (0:46 - 0:51)

- Says gays make up violence "as a Trojan Horse to force, to compel nations and individuals and groups and churches that embrace traditional values, relative to sexual behavior, to push them into the closet and say 'no, no, you have to adopt a full affirmation of these perversions.'"

- Says gay rights presents a "clear and present danger" and "internationally the greatest threat" (58:27-59:00)

Total farking scumbag. Also, he appears on FoxNews now and then, no surprise there.


He sounds totally gay and self-loathing.
 
2012-12-11 11:04:17 AM  

Epicedion: HindiDiscoMonster: What i think is clever is how you can simply ignore reality where those types of Atheists have posted in the very thread in which your comment is in.

/Atheist Bubble?

You sound a little sensitive. There's an explicit difference between people who will post on the internet about the topic under discussion and those who will roam the earth roundhouse kicking crosses in half.


Sensitive? Not even close. The comment was about how they only meet them on the net, and the response indicated they are myth. My comment was a snide remark about how everyone has their own view of reality. My slashie was comparing that particular propensity with the "Republican Bubble" joke (a sarcastic remark). I suppose i should start using snide, & sarcastic tags.
 
2012-12-11 11:06:42 AM  

Ant: RobSeace: Let the Christians put up a display, and let the Jews, the Muslims, the Scientologists, the Wiccans, and the atheists put one up as well

No, not the Scientologists. Fark those guys.


And the Dutch. To hell with them, too.
 
2012-12-11 11:10:34 AM  

StrangeQ: RobSeace: To suggest ignoring him is just a sign of a weak mind...

How so? It's like putting people like Bevets on ignore. There's no point in arguing with them or even trying to have a discussion because they are just going to post the same copypasta and ignore all rational arguments. Better to simply ignore them and let them talk to themselves over in the corner.


IDW doesn't just blindly copy+paste a la Bevets... I can almost understand putting Bevets on ignore, since he's more akin to a spam-bot than a human being most of the time... (Though, I haven't seen him around in a long time, anyway...) But, IDW seems to actually respond personally to all arguments... He may not respond rationally, he may respond with arguments that seem baffling and incomprehensible, he may not concede defeat, and he may respond with insults and mockery, but he generally always responds with his own words at least, and not just a series of quotes from random people and links to some other website... He's a real person, not just a troll or spam-bot... If by "ignore him", you just mean exercise self-restraint and not respond to his posts, then fine... Indeed, there's nothing wrong with that... But, if you mean put him on your ignore list, so you don't even need to see his posts anymore, that seems to indicate some issues of your own... And, to further need to exhort everyone else to do the same, and/or complain when anyone else chooses to actually respond to him, definitely indicates issues of your own... Not all of us have grown tired of arguing with the guy yet... Just because you haven't been able to get through to him in the past, don't deny us the opportunity to try... One day, I may grow weary of arguing with him as well, but you can be assured I won't put him on ignore, and will still read his continuing arguments with everyone else, anyway... I like to be exposed to opposing arguments, even if I find them wrongheaded and incorrect... If nothing else, they let me bolster my own internal beliefs by constructing arguments against them; I need not necessarily convince him or anyone else, only myself...
 
Ant
2012-12-11 11:11:15 AM  

JackieRabbit: Ebbelwoi: Atheist for over 30 years. There's a certain percentage of us who are complete douchebags and who do, indeed, need to be ****punched for being all douchebaggy about Christmas.

The douchebags you refer to are what are being called "new atheists." Atheists have long fought specific battles to prevent religious dogma from being forced down everyone's throats. The fight against school prayer is a prime example. When I was in grade school in the 1960s, one was required to recite a non-denominational prayer. Atheists rightfully opposed such practices. But they also understood that religious people had just as much right to belive as they did not to belive. This isn't the case with new atheists. For them not believing in a supreme being isn't enough. They are anti-religion; they want to abolish religion. The process of social secularization is too slow for them. Some of this is simply backlash against evangelical absurdity, but for many, their primary motivation is political. They insist on perverting the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to mean that the government opposes all religions, when it's purpose is clearly to prevent the government from formulating official policy in regard to any religion, in order to promote the free practice of any religion. When one tells one of these new atheist that their point of view is actually Stalinist, they become offended.


Stop posting. You don't know what the fark you're talking about. You're talking out of your ass.
 
2012-12-11 11:12:42 AM  
In other news, moron claims to speak for a given belief system, then utters inane comments diametrically opposed to what that very belief system espouses, mere weeks before that belief system celebrates one of its greatest religious holidays (which was, apparently, cobbled together from the religious holidays of at least two or three other belief systems.)
 
2012-12-11 11:13:08 AM  

RobSeace: IDW doesn't just blindly copy+paste a la Bevets..


He's gotten really bad lately, after the man love of his life left Fark and stormtrooper photo guy stopped paying him any attention.
 
2012-12-11 11:13:43 AM  

RobSeace: StrangeQ: RobSeace: To suggest ignoring him is just a sign of a weak mind...

How so? It's like putting people like Bevets on ignore. There's no point in arguing with them or even trying to have a discussion because they are just going to post the same copypasta and ignore all rational arguments. Better to simply ignore them and let them talk to themselves over in the corner.

IDW doesn't just blindly copy+paste a la Bevets... I can almost understand putting Bevets on ignore, since he's more akin to a spam-bot than a human being most of the time... (Though, I haven't seen him around in a long time, anyway...) But, IDW seems to actually respond personally to all arguments... He may not respond rationally, he may respond with arguments that seem baffling and incomprehensible, he may not concede defeat, and he may respond with insults and mockery, but he generally always responds with his own words at least, and not just a series of quotes from random people and links to some other website... He's a real person, not just a troll or spam-bot... If by "ignore him", you just mean exercise self-restraint and not respond to his posts, then fine... Indeed, there's nothing wrong with that... But, if you mean put him on your ignore list, so you don't even need to see his posts anymore, that seems to indicate some issues of your own... And, to further need to exhort everyone else to do the same, and/or complain when anyone else chooses to actually respond to him, definitely indicates issues of your own... Not all of us have grown tired of arguing with the guy yet... Just because you haven't been able to get through to him in the past, don't deny us the opportunity to try... One day, I may grow weary of arguing with him as well, but you can be assured I won't put him on ignore, and will still read his continuing arguments with everyone else, anyway... I like to be exposed to opposing arguments, even if I find them wrongheaded and incorrect... If nothing else, they let me bolster my own internal beliefs by constructing arguments against them; I need not necessarily convince him or anyone else, only myself...


I'm not sure, but i don't think that is allowed here... you might get banned.
 
2012-12-11 11:15:24 AM  
Wait, Bevets is here? I didn't read the Fark thread....
 
2012-12-11 11:15:25 AM  
30% of Americans now identify as non-religious, and an overwhelming majority of those people voted for Obama in the last election. They'll be 50% of the population in another twenty years or so.

So, yes, the religious right is very frightened. The demographics of this country are stacked against them big-time, and that couldn't happen to a more deserving political group.

You can expect more incidents like this, mostly by radio hosts hiding behind the "entertainer" label, but eventually some of their listeners will start acting out.
 
2012-12-11 11:16:49 AM  
Aw, boo. Y'all got my hopes up.
 
2012-12-11 11:17:15 AM  

I drunk what: 95% of them have no idea what Christ even said, and of the remaining 5%, they uninamimously deliberately choose not to follow what he said anyway


Ironically, this applies to more christians than atheists.
 
2012-12-11 11:18:33 AM  

Ant: JackieRabbit: Ebbelwoi: Atheist for over 30 years. There's a certain percentage of us who are complete douchebags and who do, indeed, need to be ****punched for being all douchebaggy about Christmas.

The douchebags you refer to are what are being called "new atheists." Atheists have long fought specific battles to prevent religious dogma from being forced down everyone's throats. The fight against school prayer is a prime example. When I was in grade school in the 1960s, one was required to recite a non-denominational prayer. Atheists rightfully opposed such practices. But they also understood that religious people had just as much right to belive as they did not to belive. This isn't the case with new atheists. For them not believing in a supreme being isn't enough. They are anti-religion; they want to abolish religion. The process of social secularization is too slow for them. Some of this is simply backlash against evangelical absurdity, but for many, their primary motivation is political. They insist on perverting the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to mean that the government opposes all religions, when it's purpose is clearly to prevent the government from formulating official policy in regard to any religion, in order to promote the free practice of any religion. When one tells one of these new atheist that their point of view is actually Stalinist, they become offended.

Stop posting. You don't know what the fark you're talking about. You're talking out of your ass.


Actually, he's less than half right, but there is some knowledge in that post. The "New Atheists" are indeed attempting to push religion out of the picture, but it has nothing to do with the Establishment Clause or any of that other malarkey - that's the spin placed on it by religious folks attempting to claim that these "New Atheists" are somehow un-American. It's an attempt to merge nationalism and fundamentalism, as part of a push to somehow brand America as a "Christian nation." If such folks had their way, Dawkins, Stenger, Harris, and others would be branded traitors, because the claim is that they're attempting to undermine the Constitution by denying religious freedom to Americans.

That's patently untrue, but that's how this sort of thing goes. Yes, the post is stupid, but it's stupidity based on a half-truth. He's mumbling out of his ass, really.
 
2012-12-11 11:20:42 AM  
I'm an atheist who uses fulfillment by Amazon services to warehouse and ship his products so I enjoy the holidays, suckers. You get all wound up and gifty and go order my products and I continue on as usual without a care. My biggest concern this time of year is "Should I get more inventory in the warehouse this year or wait a month so my shipping costs fall on next year's deductions".
 
2012-12-11 11:21:25 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: someonelse: jso2897: I only hear about these "angry atheists" on the Internet - I don't know any in real life.

I believe they exist mainly in an alternate universe, along with militant man-hating feminists, Cadillac-driving welfare queens, those hippies who spit on returning Vietnam vets, and unicorns. It's the place where all our lost socks from the laundry go.

What i think is clever is how you can simply ignore reality where those types of Atheists have posted in the very thread in which your comment is in.

/Atheist Bubble?


This is a discussion about atheism and the "war on Christmas." I would expect people to have strong opinions here. I presumed the poster was talking about a stereotypical "angry atheist" who goes out of his/her way to confrontationally inflict their opinions on others when the subject wasn't under discussion already. I've never met one of those in real life either, although I've met a few who will do it with their religious beliefs.
 
2012-12-11 11:21:33 AM  

Ant: RobSeace: Having to see a farking nativity scene isn't oppressing your lack of belief!

You're missing the point. The argument is that putting a nativity scene on public land is the government favoring a particular religion. If you're going to disagree, at least disagree with the correct argument.


And, if they only allowed Christian nativity scenes to be displayed, that would be a good point... That is exactly why I said the correct response is to seek to add counter-displays alongside the nativity scene rather than simply eliminate the nativity scene... If you tried that and the government rejected your display but kept up the nativity scene, then you would have a strong argument that they are favoring one religion over another (or over a lack thereof), and you'd be well in your rights to sue them to either take it down or put yours up... But, just jumping to "take it down!" seems to be the wrong approach... I'd rather see all points of view, rather than none... *shrug*
 
2012-12-11 11:24:28 AM  

JackieRabbit: someonelse: We've seen numerous examples of efforts to inject religion into public life. I'd like you to provide one example of an effort to abolish religion. Not limit it, but actually abolish it.

A little thing called the USSR. They didn't shut the churches down, but they damned sure persecuted them and you could not be a member of the Communist Party if you were a practicing Christian or a Jew. American new atheists cannot accomplish this task here, though I have read right here on Fark rants by several of them who have this as a goal.


Am I mistaken, or were you referring to "new atheists" who "pervert the First Amendment" in your post about atheists who want to "abolish religion." Got anything relevant to your actual claim?
 
2012-12-11 11:25:56 AM  

RobSeace: Joke or math fail?


both, i was taking a jab at the accuracy of your claim, but you might be right, depending on how much you estimate the "majority" to be... don't be so glum all the time, you're bumming me out

RobSeace: take this guy suggesting violence in the name of Christ


i think that is why this thread already fails, i think we all know this is not a reasonable topic to discuss, but rather in reality this is just another troll thread created by the anti-christians to stir up butthurt outrage against "xians" in general

do you think it worked?

/an awfully lot of hot pink posts in this thread

RobSeace: Seems a pretty clear failure to get Jesus' message of peace and love, doesn't it?


well to be fair Jesus did not come to bring peace, and His Love is the tough kind that most people cannot hack, but we probably don't want to open that can of worms

RobSeace: He may not represent the majority any of Christians


good thing to keep in mind, before we grab our pitchforks and torches

RobSeace: I think a lot of us end up "following" at least some of what he said, without even trying, just because it's generally good advice...


it's a packaged deal with on/off properties there is no almost good enough in this race

RobSeace: His insecure demand to be worshipped all the time is pretty disgusting


should we worship someone else? part of the time?

when was the last time He demanded that you take up the major portion of your day to worship Him?

RobSeace: His silly calls for animal sacrifice is primitive and barbaric... His ridiculous dietary restrictions on people are laughable... His commanding that people should be put to death for trivial "sins" is outrageous and unjust


OT, and mosaic-levi law at that, allowed =/= required
 
2012-12-11 11:26:59 AM  
So, can we just "punch them in the mouth" for the "just because"?
 
2012-12-11 11:27:32 AM  

Ant: Stop posting. You don't know what the fark you're talking about and I don't like it. You're talking out of your making me feel like an ass.


FTFY to make it the truth. But you are correct. I'm going to quit posting in this and all of the farked up atheist, religion-hating threads. The level of indoctrination and the lack of rationality is depressing. So carry on and revel in your ignorance and mindless hatred. It'll get you nowhere and one day, when you grow up, you will feel ashamed of yourself.
 
2012-12-11 11:28:40 AM  

Farking Canuck: Ironically, this applies to more xians than atheists.


we already covered that

there certainly is no shortage of teh stupid going around
 
2012-12-11 11:30:04 AM  

Farking Canuck: I drunk what: 95% of them have no idea what Christ even said, and of the remaining 5%, they uninamimously deliberately choose not to follow what he said anyway

Ironically, this applies to more christians than atheists.


Not so much ironic as sarcastic... If you read my post he was replying to, that's exactly what I said, and exactly the reason he turned the quip back on me in regards to atheists...

But, yes, we do seem to generally know more about their religion than most supposedly religious people do...
 
2012-12-11 11:31:14 AM  

StrangeQ: I really don't see where you're going with that question...


I'm saying Cool Whip doesn't hold a candle to real whipped cream, which is very easy to make. Kind of the way Kraft Macaroni and Cheese is good but real macaroni and cheese is teh awesome.
 
2012-12-11 11:31:40 AM  
They've challenged Atheists to Moral Kombat (not misspelled)
 
2012-12-11 11:33:13 AM  

RobSeace: IDW doesn't just blindly copy+paste a la Bevets... I can almost understand putting Bevets on ignore, since he's more akin to a spam-bot than a human being most of the time... (Though, I haven't seen him around in a long time, anyway...) But, IDW seems to actually respond personally to all arguments... He may not respond rationally, he may respond with arguments that seem baffling and incomprehensible, he may not concede defeat, and he may respond with insults and mockery, but he generally always responds with his own words at least, and not just a series of quotes from random people and links to some other website... He's a real person, not just a troll or spam-bot... If by "ignore him", you just mean exercise self-restraint and not respond to his posts, then fine... Indeed, there's nothing wrong with that... But, if you mean put him on your ignore list, so you don't even need to see his posts anymore, that seems to indicate some issues of your own... And, to further need to exhort everyone else to do the same, and/or complain when anyone else chooses to actually respond to him, definitely indicates issues of your own... Not all of us have grown tired of arguing with the guy yet... Just because you haven't been able to get through to him in the past, don't deny us the opportunity to try... One day, I may grow weary of arguing with him as well, but you can be assured I won't put him on ignore, and will still read his continuing arguments with everyone else, anyway... I like to be exposed to opposing arguments, even if I find them wrongheaded and incorrect... If nothing else, they let me bolster my own internal beliefs by constructing arguments against them; I need not necessarily convince him or anyone else, only myself...


dude stop, srsly you're already on my cool list, you're just making brigades of enemies now

the consequences will never be the same

/you dun goofed
//but well said
 
2012-12-11 11:33:47 AM  

I drunk what: there certainly is no shortage of teh stupid going around


As the primary source ... you are an expert.
 
2012-12-11 11:33:58 AM  

JackieRabbit: I'm going to quit posting in this and all of the farked up atheist, religion-hating threads. The level of indoctrination and thelack of rationality is depressing. So carry on and revel in your ignorance and mindless hatred. It'll get you nowhere and one day, when you grow up, you will feel ashamed of yourself.


In the spirit of rationality, I was hoping you'd take another stab at an example of "new atheists" using the First Amendment to try to "abolish religion." Presumably you have one actual example of this, given your admiration of rationality and your hatred of mindless indoctrination.
 
2012-12-11 11:34:52 AM  

JackieRabbit: Ant: Stop posting. You don't know what the fark you're talking about and I don't like it. You're talking out of your making me feel like an ass.

FTFY to make it the truth. But you are correct. I'm going to quit posting in this and all of the farked up atheist, religion-hating threads. The level of indoctrination and the lack of rationality is depressing. So carry on and revel in your ignorance and mindless hatred. It'll get you nowhere and one day, when you grow up, you will feel ashamed of yourself.


Good, you think atheists want to pervert the first amendment to ban religion. And you call us close minded, ignorant, mindless idiots. You don't have to be a hipster to drink up that irony.

I would make a pot/kettle reference, but I don't want to insult pots and kettles and black folks by comparing them to you.
 
2012-12-11 11:35:34 AM  

Chariset: Theologian here. Want my take on the War on Christmas?

It's the panicked, flailing reaction of the Religious Right to the sudden realization that the US is celebrating a completely secular holiday in December -- one which could go by Christmas or "the holidays" or Snowflake Day or whatever. They had liked to believe that the country went insane as a sign of religious devotion. Now they see that what is celebrated as Christmas by most of the country is not the same holiday as the Christian Christmas.

Think of it like a child born on the 4th of July. Think of the tantrum he might throw the first time he realizes that the parade and the fireworks aren't for him. "No! They're doing it for ME because it's MY BIRTHDAY!" It's like that, only with more airtime.


Ee need to get a time machine, and go get one of the original folks who was like, "hey, lets schedule own own holiday over top of Saturnalia so that people stop celebrating it," and sit him in a room with a bunch of war-on-Christmas fundies. We can let him establish his credentials as one of the founders of what these people are really fighting for, and then tell him the December holiday season is becoming less and less religious as time goes on. Then, when he says, "cool, so we won?" we get to watch a bunch of fundie heads explode.
 
2012-12-11 11:36:41 AM  

Jorn the Younger: Call the Winter Festival whatever you like. Celebrate it however you like.

It's about sharing light and warmth to help each other make it through the long dark winter. That's why all the lights and decorations and goodies and presents.

If you have a specific belief system that places additional myths in front of the Winter Festival backdrop, that's all well and good, but you don't get to insist on adding your myths to my Festival, just like I don't get to insist that you put cool whip on your pumpkin pie.

/If you have to add cool whip to distract from the flavor of your pumpkin pie, you're eating bad pie


Hey, screw you man. I'd eat that shiat from an icecream cone!

/it's really delicious.
 
2012-12-11 11:37:00 AM  
Also, I'm surprised this guy isn't more in favor of turning the other cheek. He has lots of cheeks.
 
2012-12-11 11:37:06 AM  
Horus is the reason for the season.
 
2012-12-11 11:38:44 AM  

RobSeace: Not so much ironic as sarcastic... If you read my post he was replying to, that's exactly what I said, and exactly the reason he turned the quip back on me in regards to atheists...


Ahhh ... I have been too busy with actual work today to read the whole thread but I was browsing while waiting for an operation to finish. This post just caught my eye.

In general, I try to avoid responding to IDW's circle derp but I occasionally cannot help myself.
 
2012-12-11 11:40:33 AM  
Let's combine the different branches of this thread and call for people to hit atheists in the mouth with Cool-Whip pies.
 
2012-12-11 11:41:55 AM  
Fark you titsy, and fark your stupid assed religion, which you don't adhere to anyways.
 
2012-12-11 11:42:07 AM  

stampylives: Also, I'm surprised this guy isn't more in favor of turning the other cheek. He has lots of cheeks.


You might even say he's made of cheeks.
 
2012-12-11 11:42:36 AM  

I drunk what: well to be fair Jesus did not come to bring peace


Why was he called the Prince of Peace, then?

OT, and mosaic-levi law at that

Yeah, that's what I was railing against: the OT god, Jehovah/Yahweh... I know that stuff isn't supposed to apply to you Christians anymore, but a lot of you don't seem to realize that, and focus more on that stuff than the NT teachings of Jesus...
 
2012-12-11 11:44:21 AM  

Egoy3k: I love it how worked up people get. When I was in college I worked for a cell phone company who had no stated policy about saying 'happy holidays' or 'merry christmas' or whatever. I'm an atheist but I usually alternated between both just for the sake of a little variety in a heavily scripted workday. One woman became irate after I had wished her 'happy holidays' and started to rant at me about 'jaysus'. She threatened to cancel her contract because the phone jockey (me) hadn't used the words christmas.

I lost my temper with her and told her that I have been using both terms all day but now thanks to her I'll be switching to happy holidays exclusively and then I hung up on her. Then I had to deal with a pissed off supervisor and all kinds of additional stress during finals, and the holidays. Way to go Jesus lady, you sure acted well in his name.


The real Jesus would have kicked your money-changin' ass
 
2012-12-11 11:44:42 AM  
Religion of Peace...
 
2012-12-11 11:44:55 AM  
it's all gay
 
2012-12-11 11:48:47 AM  
i15.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-11 11:50:59 AM  

The Why Not Guy: Let's combine the different branches of this thread and call for people to hit atheists in the mouth with Cool-Whip pies.

 

www.foodrepublic.com
 
2012-12-11 11:54:34 AM  

RobSeace: Ant: RobSeace: Having to see a farking nativity scene isn't oppressing your lack of belief!

You're missing the point. The argument is that putting a nativity scene on public land is the government favoring a particular religion. If you're going to disagree, at least disagree with the correct argument.

And, if they only allowed Christian nativity scenes to be displayed, that would be a good point... That is exactly why I said the correct response is to seek to add counter-displays alongside the nativity scene rather than simply eliminate the nativity scene... If you tried that and the government rejected your display but kept up the nativity scene, then you would have a strong argument that they are favoring one religion over another (or over a lack thereof), and you'd be well in your rights to sue them to either take it down or put yours up... But, just jumping to "take it down!" seems to be the wrong approach... I'd rather see all points of view, rather than none... *shrug*



It's simpler just to have none. If a private citizen, or a worship center, wants to put up some sort of display then they are free to do so on their own property.
 
2012-12-11 11:55:09 AM  

o4tuna: [i15.photobucket.com image 572x575]


Interesting point. Christians want to hit me in the face because I say Happy Holidays? Fine. And I get to hit them back because they try to tell me who I can marry. I mean, fair is fair, right Christians? Right?
 
2012-12-11 11:57:11 AM  

I drunk what: RobSeace: and the atheists put one up as well

what did you have in mind?


I was thinking a collage wall made up of every page from an old JC Penny toy catalogue with the brightly lit words "THE TRUE SPIRIT OF CHRISTMAS" above it.
 
2012-12-11 11:57:41 AM  

JackieRabbit: Ant: Stop posting. You don't know what the fark you're talking about and I don't like it. You're talking out of your making me feel like an ass.

FTFY to make it the truth. But you are correct. I'm going to quit posting in this and all of the farked up atheist, religion-hating threads. The level of indoctrination and the lack of rationality is depressing. So carry on and revel in your ignorance and mindless hatred. It'll get you nowhere and one day, when you grow up, you will feel ashamed of yourself.



Wow, I was starting to look for the "I'm rubber, you're glue" defense.

Pathetic.
 
2012-12-11 11:58:02 AM  
Keep it up Christians.

All these antics do is push more people from organized faith, both into the more nebulous "spiritual but not religious" all the way to full blown atheist.

//The more you tighten your grip, Fundies, the more Christians will slip through your fingers.
 
2012-12-11 12:02:39 PM  

giftedmadness: L.D. Ablo: Those are the cries of a wounded, cornered and dying animal. The Scary Black Guy got re-elected, they lost the culture war and will be irrelevant in another generation.

it's so funny that you libs actually believe that conservatives are racist. It's amusing.


Amusing like segregation, or amusing like a good ol' lynching?

"Conservative" is a meaningless term in America, conflated as it is with religious bigotry, anti-science sentiments (except concerning fracking and space rayguns), and an inability to work double-entry accounting.

I'm a fiscal conservative who thinks gay marriage is great for the tax base, and who really wants dope made legal so we can tax its sale to pay for education and health care.

I also want mandatory donor cards and air bags removed from cars. Freedom! And religion taxed, as it is clearly a business. That business is fraud and child rape. Tax it!

Lastly, my ideal state doesn't care who or how you screw, if everyone's over 18 and animals aren't involved. I do not care nor care to legislate behaviour between consenting adults. You're on your own, folks!

My kind of conservatism, which is a sort of libertarianism with cherry-picked socialist tendencies (socialists who can tell red from black ink), is not only exceedingly rare, but is anathema to the God-bothered baggers that have usurped the term "conservative", and furthermore, are such know-nothings that they don't grasp how Xmas is a recycled pagan celebration of such dubious provenance to a "true believer" that the Puritans banned it for centuries as unChristian.
 
2012-12-11 12:05:20 PM  

Ant: RobSeace: Let the Christians put up a display, and let the Jews, the Muslims, the Scientologists, the Wiccans, and the atheists put one up as well

No, not the Scientologists. Fark those guys.


I've got to disagree with you there, Ant. Freedom of religion has to be applied equally for everyone, or it dosen't apply to anyone. Scientologists have to given equal treatment right alongside Catholics and Jedi.

That being said, if any religions leaders commit crimes like kidnapping, extortion, and suppression of free speech, that should get them sent to jail.
 
2012-12-11 12:09:38 PM  
upload.wikimedia.orgtalkingpointsmemo.com

Radio talk show hosts advocating violence and social discrimination? Say it isn't so!
 
2012-12-11 12:09:55 PM  

Valiente: giftedmadness: L.D. Ablo: Those are the cries of a wounded, cornered and dying animal. The Scary Black Guy got re-elected, they lost the culture war and will be irrelevant in another generation.

it's so funny that you libs actually believe that conservatives are racist. It's amusing.

Amusing like segregation, or amusing like a good ol' lynching?

"Conservative" is a meaningless term in America, conflated as it is with religious bigotry, anti-science sentiments (except concerning fracking and space rayguns), and an inability to work double-entry accounting.

I'm a fiscal conservative who thinks gay marriage is great for the tax base, and who really wants dope made legal so we can tax its sale to pay for education and health care.

I also want mandatory donor cards and air bags removed from cars. Freedom! And religion taxed, as it is clearly a business. That business is fraud and child rape. Tax it!

Lastly, my ideal state doesn't care who or how you screw, if everyone's over 18 and animals aren't involved. I do not care nor care to legislate behaviour between consenting adults. You're on your own, folks!

My kind of conservatism, which is a sort of libertarianism with cherry-picked socialist tendencies (socialists who can tell red from black ink), is not only exceedingly rare, but is anathema to the God-bothered baggers that have usurped the term "conservative", and furthermore, are such know-nothings that they don't grasp how Xmas is a recycled pagan celebration of such dubious provenance to a "true believer" that the Puritans banned it for centuries as unChristian.


Run for office.

You'd lose, but I'd vote for you.
 
2012-12-11 12:10:32 PM  
To be fair, a lot of people need a good sock in the kisser. A subset of them are atheists.
 
2012-12-11 12:12:02 PM  

airsupport: doyner: Since that's exactly what Jesus would do then it's good advice.

If you commit violence in the name of religion, be it a Crusade, a suicide bomb, vandalizing a mosque or espousing a hate crime, you have missed the point entirely.


I'm buying you a sarcasm meter for Festivus this year.
 
2012-12-11 12:13:47 PM  

Ant: You're missing the point. The argument is that putting a nativity scene on public land is the government favoring a particular religion..


I do disagree. As long as the government in question allows multiple displays from different religions on public land, I think its fine. The solution to partial speech is full speech, not shutting down speech. It frustrates me that many governments think shutting down speech is an acceptable solution.
 
2012-12-11 12:14:55 PM  
Way to incur the Wrath of Zeus athiests. Lightning bolts for stocking stuffers.
 
2012-12-11 12:16:31 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: I don't know how to break this to you... but I see quite a bit more Pagan decoration during Christmas than Christian... how come no Atheists attack those displays and demand the removal (from public lands) displays of Christmas trees, Santa, or other Pagan symbols... how come only Christians get the hate? Seems to me, you should attack the largest market - Pagan symbols.


Because they've become generic symbols. Christians have stripped of their original meaning. There are no Druids (save for those tree-hugging new age morons I talked about). But you already know this and are just being a persecuted ass.
 
Ant
2012-12-11 12:16:44 PM  

RobSeace: And, if they only allowed Christian nativity scenes to be displayed, that would be a good point... That is exactly why I said the correct response is to seek to add counter-displays alongside the nativity scene rather than simply eliminate the nativity scene... If you tried that and the government rejected your display but kept up the nativity scene, then you would have a strong argument that they are favoring one religion over another (or over a lack thereof), and you'd be well in your rights to sue them to either take it down or put yours up... But, just jumping to "take it down!" seems to be the wrong approach... I'd rather see all points of view, rather than none... *shrug*


That is a physical impossibility. There is not enough space for that many displays.
 
2012-12-11 12:16:56 PM  

Somacandra: Ant: You're missing the point. The argument is that putting a nativity scene on public land is the government favoring a particular religion..

I do disagree. As long as the government in question allows multiple displays from different religions on public land, I think its fine. The solution to partial speech is full speech, not shutting down speech. It frustrates me that many governments think shutting down speech is an acceptable solution.


We have hundreds of different organizations, both secular and religious, that demand limited space.

Santa Monica tried accommodation, and when the secular orgs won most of the spots, they complained even louder.

Now, they banned all displays, but the churches found a loophole, and have a live nativity on public space (or has that been squashed now too?).
 
2012-12-11 12:17:40 PM  
We should round up all atheists and like... put them all in their own special camps or something.

/joke
//agnostic
 
Ant
2012-12-11 12:18:17 PM  

Hickory-smoked: Ant: RobSeace: Let the Christians put up a display, and let the Jews, the Muslims, the Scientologists, the Wiccans, and the atheists put one up as well

No, not the Scientologists. Fark those guys.

I've got to disagree with you there, Ant. Freedom of religion has to be applied equally for everyone, or it dosen't apply to anyone. Scientologists have to given equal treatment right alongside Catholics and Jedi.

That being said, if any religions leaders commit crimes like kidnapping, extortion, and suppression of free speech, that should get them sent to jail.


I was joking*

*mostly
 
2012-12-11 12:20:59 PM  

meat0918: Valiente: giftedmadness: L.D. Ablo: Those are the cries of a wounded, cornered and dying animal. The Scary Black Guy got re-elected, they lost the culture war and will be irrelevant in another generation.

it's so funny that you libs actually believe that conservatives are racist. It's amusing.

Amusing like segregation, or amusing like a good ol' lynching?

"Conservative" is a meaningless term in America, conflated as it is with religious bigotry, anti-science sentiments (except concerning fracking and space rayguns), and an inability to work double-entry accounting.

I'm a fiscal conservative who thinks gay marriage is great for the tax base, and who really wants dope made legal so we can tax its sale to pay for education and health care.

I also want mandatory donor cards and air bags removed from cars. Freedom! And religion taxed, as it is clearly a business. That business is fraud and child rape. Tax it!

Lastly, my ideal state doesn't care who or how you screw, if everyone's over 18 and animals aren't involved. I do not care nor care to legislate behaviour between consenting adults. You're on your own, folks!

My kind of conservatism, which is a sort of libertarianism with cherry-picked socialist tendencies (socialists who can tell red from black ink), is not only exceedingly rare, but is anathema to the God-bothered baggers that have usurped the term "conservative", and furthermore, are such know-nothings that they don't grasp how Xmas is a recycled pagan celebration of such dubious provenance to a "true believer" that the Puritans banned it for centuries as unChristian.

Run for office.

You'd lose, but I'd vote for you.


I prefer to subvert from within, so democracy doesn't really work for me, but thanks anyway.

The problem with democracy is the same problem as religion: They are great systems farked up by people.
 
2012-12-11 12:22:23 PM  

Somacandra: As long as the government in question allows multiple displays from different religions on public land, I think its fine. The solution to partial speech is full speech, not shutting down speech. It frustrates me that many governments think shutting down speech is an acceptable solution.


No.

Perhaps it's not like this all over, but where I grew up the nativity scene displayed downtown belonged to the city, not a church. City tax dollars were used to purchase that nativity scene. City workers set it up and maintained it through December. City workers took it down in January and stored it away.

It's not a matter of "allowing" displays from different religions, which I'd oppose but much less strenuously. It's government subsidizing a display for one religion (or two if they include a menorah and congratulate themselves for being inclusive) with tax dollars.
 
2012-12-11 12:22:24 PM  

Farking Canuck: I drunk what: there certainly is no shortage of teh stupid going around

As the primary source ... you are an expert.


takes one to know one?

RobSeace: But, yes, we do seem to generally know more about their religion than most supposedly religious people do...


meh, this sounds like the old bit where catholics tell us real christians how much more of an expert they are on religion because they can quote verses (usually in latin) to no end

and yet they can't answer simple questions about all them verses they quote at us

...if that's what you mean by "know" more about religion... i can see your point

/puffs of pipe
 
2012-12-11 12:24:20 PM  

JackieRabbit: FTFY to make it the truth. But you are correct. I'm going to quit posting in this and all of the farked up atheist, religion-hating threads. The level of indoctrination and the lack of rationality is depressing. So carry on and revel in your ignorance and mindless hatred. It'll get you nowhere and one day, when you grow up, you will feel ashamed of yourself.


Christ, quit whining.
 
2012-12-11 12:25:18 PM  

Somacandra: Ant: You're missing the point. The argument is that putting a nativity scene on public land is the government favoring a particular religion..

I do disagree. As long as the government in question allows multiple displays from different religions on public land, I think its fine. The solution to partial speech is full speech, not shutting down speech. It frustrates me that many governments think shutting down speech is an acceptable solution.


It's a fair solution, if you believe that a "display" is not "speech". I'll take all sorts of religious crap and knick-knacks on your personal lawn over the same crap...or worse...every godbot's trinkets...on the front lawn of City Hall or the equivalent secular institution.

Not to be rude, but if my particular religion is The High Satanic Church of the Graphically Buggered Baby Jesus and his Whore Mom, do you really think I can put up "speech" next to the usual Three Kings and a Manger set-up?

That's a naivety scene.
 
Ant
2012-12-11 12:25:21 PM  

JackieRabbit: Ant: Stop posting. You don't know what the fark you're talking about and I don't like it. You're talking out of your making me feel like an ass.

FTFY to make it the truth. But you are correct. I'm going to quit posting in this and all of the farked up atheist, religion-hating threads. The level of indoctrination and the lack of rationality is depressing. So carry on and revel in your ignorance and mindless hatred. It'll get you nowhere and one day, when you grow up, you will feel ashamed of yourself.


You're right. I don't like the fact that you don't know what the fark you're talking about. Go ahead and disagree, but at least learn enough know what the hell you're talking about first.

Nobody is trying to indoctrinate you here. Nobody here hates you or wants to kill you. Quit your crying.
 
2012-12-11 12:25:54 PM  

JackieRabbit: FTFY to make it the truth. But you are correct. I'm going to quit posting in this and all of the farked up atheist, religion-hating threads. The level of indoctrination and the lack of rationality is depressing. So carry on and revel in your ignorance and mindless hatred. It'll get you nowhere and one day, when you grow up, you will feel ashamed of yourself.


Indoctrination requires leadership and and ethos to be indoctrinated into. Atheists have neither of those things. Rationality is the reason that atheists reject the fairytale stories proposed by religion it's pretty difficult to be be rational and believe in the claims put forward by religion at the same time. So either you are making stuff up or you have a completely warped view of the world. You can keep the superiority complex of telling us to grow up though we don't need it. One of the benefits of being an atheist is being correct, we don't need to insult others to feel better.
 
2012-12-11 12:28:36 PM  

Cythraul: [s3.amazonaws.com image 324x269]


Seems to me like the people that worship that muscle-bound "warrior Jesus" would fit in better with the Norse pagan crowd....
 
2012-12-11 12:30:07 PM  

Somacandra: Ant: You're missing the point. The argument is that putting a nativity scene on public land is the government favoring a particular religion..

I do disagree. As long as the government in question allows multiple displays from different religions on public land, I think its fine. The solution to partial speech is full speech, not shutting down speech. It frustrates me that many governments think shutting down speech is an acceptable solution.


If this is the case I'm thinking of, the municipality's decision was to disallow all displays, because allowing for all of them proved troublesome.

What's more is: the municipality is under no mandate to allow private parties to set up displays on public land.
 
2012-12-11 12:30:46 PM  

randomjsa: cretinbob: Let's hope we don't have to find out...again

Except for the part where that shooting had nothing to do with what anyone said or did and was the act of one deranged idiot I can totally see where you get the comparison from.

No wait, I can't.


You still suck Palin's cock?
 
2012-12-11 12:34:23 PM  

Rindred: I drunk what: RobSeace: and the atheists put one up as well

what did you have in mind?

I was thinking a collage wall made up of every page from an old JC Penny toy catalogue with the brightly lit words "THE TRUE SPIRIT OF CHRISTMAS" above it.


that would be awesome

/gen x

so when do you think we lost our way?
 
2012-12-11 12:35:17 PM  

Somacandra: Ant: You're missing the point. The argument is that putting a nativity scene on public land is the government favoring a particular religion..

I do disagree. As long as the government in question allows multiple displays from different religions on public land, I think its fine. The solution to partial speech is full speech, not shutting down speech. It frustrates me that many governments think shutting down speech is an acceptable solution.


They aren't shutting down speech, they are simply declining to provide the soapbox.
 
2012-12-11 12:36:52 PM  

Somacandra: I do disagree. As long as the government in question allows multiple displays from different religions on public land, I think its fine. The solution to partial speech is full speech, not shutting down speech. It frustrates me that many governments think shutting down speech is an acceptable solution.


It's not "shutting down speech" to disallow religious displays on public land -- people are free to put them on their homes, businesses, churches, dogs, cars, shoulders, or butt tattoos. The problem with religious displays on public land is that there's limited space, and the government can't endorse one or several religions over any others. What this boils down to ultimately is the government deciding which religions count and get to participate and which don't count and have to go home and sob into their gin. Christians are exceedingly comfortable with their majority and may not see precisely how that sort of precedent is dangerous to them.
 
2012-12-11 12:36:57 PM  

cretinbob: Palin's cock?


farm4.static.flickr.com

"TRAP"?
 
2012-12-11 12:38:11 PM  

RobSeace: supposedly religious people do...


btw who are these people, i keep hearing about??

who is supposing???

even most xians i talk to these days are, "spiritual but not religious"

/and use crystal healing...etc..
//wish i was kidding
 
2012-12-11 12:40:43 PM  

SovietCanuckistan: Way to incur the Wrath of Zeus athiests. Lightning bolts for stocking stuffers.


If there were more smitings, I'd consider becoming a believer. We can start with all religions hypocrites.
 
2012-12-11 12:40:48 PM  

Ant: That is a physical impossibility. There is not enough space for that many displays.


Well, I didn't expect literally every religious (and atheist/agnostic/secular) orgination on the planet to suddenly want to put up Xmas displays... In reality, I figured you'd really just have two competing ones: the Christians and the annoyed atheists that wanted to counter their display... But, maybe I'm wrong, since:

meat0918: We have hundreds of different organizations, both secular and religious, that demand limited space.

Santa Monica tried accommodation, and when the secular orgs won most of the spots, they complained even louder.


Huh, I wouldn't have thought there would be that much competition that space would've been such an issue... Well, in that case, it probably just is in the city's best interest to just ban all displays, since it puts too much work and hassle on them otherwise...

The Why Not Guy: Perhaps it's not like this all over, but where I grew up the nativity scene displayed downtown belonged to the city, not a church. City tax dollars were used to purchase that nativity scene. City workers set it up and maintained it through December. City workers took it down in January and stored it away.

It's not a matter of "allowing" displays from different religions, which I'd oppose but much less strenuously. It's government subsidizing a display for one religion (or two if they include a menorah and congratulate themselves for being inclusive) with tax dollars.


Yeah, ok, that is kind of farked up... I was assuming churches were bringing in the nativity scenes, not that they were taxpayer-funded...
 
2012-12-11 12:41:41 PM  

RobSeace: Why was he called the Prince of Peace, then?


Physical Peace =/= Spiritual (or Mind) Peace

He definitely does not want us to physically beat religion into people... however we are not to spiritually compromise with them either

see?

It's the Natural way to resolve our differences
 
2012-12-11 12:46:38 PM  

RobSeace: Huh, I wouldn't have thought there would be that much competition that space would've been such an issue... Well, in that case, it probably just is in the city's best interest to just ban all displays, since it puts too much work and hassle on them otherwise...


It was a smart move on the secularists' part, honestly. Instead of arguing Christians can't set up a display on public land, they argued that everyone should be able to- not just Christians. As I recall some alternative Athiest displays were vandalized as such... presumably by Christian-minded folk.

At least they didn't punch anyone in the mouth, I suppose.

It's a fair argument, I think. And ultimately the Municipality opted to ban all displays as a white flag in the war of attrition.


Mind you, private land-based displays are still perfectly fine, folks. The nativity scene is far from being in danger of extinction here.
 
2012-12-11 12:47:35 PM  
Atheism is a Religion
 
2012-12-11 12:49:08 PM  

Egoy3k: Indoctrination requires leadership and and ethos to be indoctrinated into. Atheists have neither of those things.


4.bp.blogspot.com

Atheists! fark me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
 
2012-12-11 12:50:13 PM  

letrole: Atheism is a Religion


World of Warcraft is a Religion.
 
2012-12-11 12:50:59 PM  
This reminds me, I was sitting outside the coffee shop yesterday drinking some nice coffee (black, no sugar, none of this whipped cream latte crap) and sitting at my regular table (forcing me out into one of the inferior side tables) was this guy. I knew something was off by the way he was sitting outside a coffee shop without a cup or even a slice of pie, and I saw he was talking on his phone when he started speaking and I heard the word "soul." I paused and looked closer. Slick spiky haircut, earring, solid dark color dress shirt and slightly different dark slacks, hipster glasses, and a black and dark red tie.

I said to myself, "youth minister." He was holding a book, not The Bible, about Jesus or some other crap.

So I'm sitting there quietly trying to enjoy my coffee, and this guy starts gesticulating wildly, getting animated and talking about god and souls and trials and challenges. He gets up and starts walking around, moving from his table to the one that's outside the Chinese restaurant next door, carrying his book with him. He has a look in his eye that would keep a serial killer at bay.

The coffee was good. I managed not to punch him in the mouth for disrupting my quiet coffee time.

Your move, Christians.
 
2012-12-11 12:52:05 PM  

letrole: Atheism is a Religion


Velveeta is cheese
 
2012-12-11 12:54:31 PM  
Antichristian advises people to punch atheists.

There, fixed that for you.

That is, of course, not how Jesus instructed his followers to behave with regards to their "enemies", real or imagined. Everybody who claims to be a Christian should know this, even if their conversion was recent. And those who know what Christ enjoined his followers to do but do not do it, act or fail to act at their risk. "Not all who call upon my name are mine," He said.

"Love your enemy" is not one of those well-meaning rules that don't work in the real world.

He was not 'only joking" when he said to turn the other cheek, to love those who hate you, to do good to those who do evil to you.

He also said that "blessed are you when you are hated for my sake", so if there really was a concerted War on Christmas outside of the hate propaganda of certain antichrists, then you ought to be grateful.

In reality, I suspect that the "War on Christmas" is not only greatly exagerated but just a mean bigoted Church Lady attempt to spoil Christmas for non-Christians and everybody else that the Church Ladies in question spit their black bile at.

And let's not forget that the Puritan ancestors of the type of person that maintains a phoney war on the secular aspects of Christmas and keeps pounding the drums of a just as phoney War on Christmas on the part of their "enemies" banned everything we think of as Christmas: feasting, celebration, mince pies, yule logs, decorations, everything. It was just another day of the year and if it didn't fall on a Sunday, you probably didn't go to Church to celebrate the religious aspect of the Nativity (because that would be papistical).

***
Matthew 5:43-48
New International Version (NIV)

Love for Enemies
43 "You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor[a](A) and hate your enemy.'(B) 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,(C) 45 that you may be children(D) of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.(E) 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get?(F) Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.(G)

Footnotes:
Matthew 5:43 Lev. 19:18
Cross references:
Matthew 5:43 : Lev 19:18; Mt 19:19; 22:39; Mk 12:31; Lk 10:27; Ro 13:9; Gal 5:14; Jas 2:8
Matthew 5:43 : Dt 23:6; Ps 139:21, 22
Matthew 5:44 : Lk 6:27, 28; 23:34; Jn 15:20; Ac 7:60; Ro 8:35; 12:14; 1Co 4:12; 1Pe 2:23
Matthew 5:45 : ver 9; Lk 6:35; S Ro 8:14
Matthew 5:45 : Job 25:3
Matthew 5:46 : Lk 6:32
Matthew 5:48 : Lev 19:2; 1Pe 1:16

***
"Blessed are the pure in heart: For they shall see God. "Blessed are the peacemakers: For they shall be called the children of God. "Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: For theirs is the kingdom of heaven. "Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. "Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: For great is your reward in heaven: For so persecuted they the Prophets which were before you." Matt. 5:8-12.

***
"Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live, it is asking others to live as one wishes to live."
― Oscar Wilde

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."--Jesus
"Do not do unto others as you would have them do unto you, your tastes may be different." George Bernard Shaw.

Christians are not persecuted in your country or in mine. They can worship and celebrate and mourne as they please (unless you could the Westboro Baptists showing up to dispoil their ceremonies and rites). You can do what you like in your churches, Sunday schools, Bible camps, etc.

On public ground, you may be limited by the Constitution. You may not establish a Church through the use of government power or money or land. You may not force your tastes or way of life on others by persecuting their religion (although you do) or by imposing yours (although you continue to do so in the form of Sunday shopping laws, Blue Laws, the teaching of religious dogma as "science", etc.

Yes, in the past Christians were able to treat the government and public institutions as their own private playground. This was a violation of the spirit, if not the letter, of the law, and led to violations of freedom of thought, speech, religion, assembly, conscience, and even breaches of the peace. It led to lynching in the name of God and Country and even more heinous crimes. It led to real persecution and real oppression.

But get real. Because a dim elementary school teacher bans Christmas card exchanges in her class of seven year olds doesn't mean there is a War on Christmas or that the heathens are at the gates of the city. If your dim teachers can preach the Gospel in the form of demented scientism, then another teacher can refuse to have any business with it. And only one of those choices is a violation of the Constitution as written and amended by the Founding Fathers and Congress.
 
2012-12-11 12:58:07 PM  

letrole: Atheism is a Religion


You need to bait that hook with more than the Holy Ghost, dude.
 
2012-12-11 12:59:14 PM  

Valiente: letrole: Atheism is a Religion

You need to bait that hook with more than the Holy Ghost, dude.


Atheism is the best MMO.
 
2012-12-11 01:00:35 PM  

RobSeace: Yeah, that's what I was railing against: the OT interpretation god


big difference

always better to get your info directly from The Word of God

RobSeace: I know that stuff isn't supposed to apply to you Christians anymore


history does apply to us, however:

1. We are not jews.
2. No one is under the Old Law.
3. Not every piece of text found in the Bible == The Word of God

sorry to bust your bubble :(
 
2012-12-11 01:00:52 PM  

someonelse: letrole: Atheism is a Religion

Velveeta is cheese


Well, technically it's processed cheese food product. It relates to actual cheese the same way religion relates to actual spirituality, in my experience.

Both go well with Triscuits.
 
2012-12-11 01:00:53 PM  

I drunk what: RobSeace: supposedly religious people do...

btw who are these people, i keep hearing about??

who is supposing???


I suppose I should've said "self-identified" or "people who claim to be religious"...

even most xians i talk to these days are, "spiritual but not religious"

I assume by that they probably just mean they don't go to church, and avoid all the other trappings of organized religion? But, if you claim to be a Christian, I'm going to call you religious, since you claim to be a member of a specific religion, regardless of how hard-core about it you are...

/and use crystal healing...etc..
//wish i was kidding


Well, once you start accepting certain kinds of magic and miracles are possible, it becomes easier to accept other similarly ridiculous stuff...

/Sorry, I couldn't resist... ;-)
 
2012-12-11 01:03:38 PM  

maddogdelta: Are you guys going to keep going back and forth, back and forth, back and forth on this?


www.biography.com



/approves
 
2012-12-11 01:04:43 PM  

RobSeace: Well, once you start accepting certain kinds of magic and miracles are possible, it becomes easier to accept other similarly ridiculous stuff...


It would hardly be the first time Christianity has been minced with other spiritual or animistic practices.

Look up Santeria some time.
 
2012-12-11 01:05:08 PM  

RobSeace: I suppose I should've said "self-identified" or "people who claim to be religious"...


i'm a chinese jet pilot

mutantreviewers.files.wordpress.com

RobSeace: Sorry, I couldn't resist... ;-)


you want me to reach through the internet-monitor and punch you in the face slap you?

cause i will! didn't you RTFA?TFT?
 
2012-12-11 01:05:53 PM  

TWX: The most important day in Christianity is Good Friday. The day he died.


It sounds like someone actually understands the whole point of the neon cross in Jesus Christ, Superstar that so many "Christians" made a huge fuss about.
 
2012-12-11 01:07:04 PM  

Mike_LowELL: giftedmadness: it's so funny that you libs actually believe that conservatives are racist. It's amusing.

I have compiled a list of reading for you.

On The Genealogy of Liberals
Top 7 Reasons Tax Cuts Work
On The Genealogy of Liberals 2: Tax Harder
Barack Obama Locked a Kitten in One Of Those Plastic Rolly Balls For Hamsters And Rolled It Down a Hill: The Shocking Facts
Top 175 All-Time Reasons Liberals Are Stupid
How To Ban More Things Without Getting The Government In Your Life
An Essay on the 1989 World Series: Why The Democrats Caused the Earthquake

I recommend you do not come back until you have read and mastered these works. They will be critical for your survival on this discussion board.


Exquisite.

I think I hurt myself
 
2012-12-11 01:07:51 PM  

I drunk what: RobSeace: Yeah, that's what I was railing against: the OT interpretation god

big difference


interpreation OF

bigger difference, fixed
 
2012-12-11 01:09:29 PM  
African American is a religion
 
2012-12-11 01:09:46 PM  
i512.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-11 01:10:47 PM  
No, Mr. 'It's-metaphorical-so-it-doesn't-count', you do not get to advocate hitting people even if it's not reeeeeaaaallll. This is kindergarten and we expect you to act like a big boy. Now go sit in the corner for five minutes and think about why it's not okay to do that.
 
Ant
2012-12-11 01:10:51 PM  

letrole: Atheism is a Religion


letrole is Le Troll
 
2012-12-11 01:11:04 PM  

I drunk what: always better to get your info directly from The Word of God


I would if I could, but all I've been able to find are retranslations of ancient writings of men who claim to be speaking for him... (Interestingly, all the modern-day people who claim to be speaking for him tend to get locked up in psych wards and/or put on medication... How do we know we don't have a modern-day Moses locked up and/or heavily medicated somewhere??)

I drunk what: 3. Not every piece of text found in the Bible == The Word of God


The really tricky part is figuring out which parts are and which parts aren't...
 
2012-12-11 01:12:46 PM  

dittybopper: Relatively Obscure: GAT_00: I'm still trying to decide which login you were using before the election. Never saw you post before two weeks or so ago, and a whole bunch haven't showed since November 6th.

He was around before the election. I couldn't say what the frequency was.

The frequency is 7.027 MHz. Better bring your A game, because I send *FAST*.


-.. .- -- -. . -.. .-. .- -... -... .. -
 
2012-12-11 01:13:26 PM  

TWX: The most important day in Christianity is Good Friday. The day he died.


i dunno the day of His Resurrection, seems to be up there when ranking days of importance...

but now we're just splitting hairs, maybe we should just summarize the big picture and celebrate the day of His birth as a packaged deal celebrating His life-death-resurrection, etc..

since we don't know exactly when, perhaps we can just pick one randomly

any ideas?

maybe sometime during the winter to warm up our spirits?
 
2012-12-11 01:16:34 PM  

I drunk what: you want me to reach through the internet-monitor and punch you in the face slap you?

cause i will! didn't you RTFA?TFT?


lh5.googleusercontent.com

Hah! I've got an anti-punch/slap firewall in place on my Intertubes connection!
 
2012-12-11 01:20:00 PM  

neongoats: *Henry


No, you were correct the first time. It was Harry.

/The SOB left the family business, moved to Madison Avenue, and this clysterfark is the result.
 
2012-12-11 01:21:28 PM  
You xtians and your constant violence must be stopped. There is no war, but if you want a war, I will give you a war. Bring it mother farkers. You started it. You ALWAYS start it. I'm ready to meet your violence with even greater violence .You're symbol is a torture device for fark's sake. You even ritualized cannibalism. I find it all very disgusting.
 
2012-12-11 01:24:13 PM  

RobSeace: How do we know we don't have a modern-day Moses locked up and/or heavily medicated somewhere??


have him part a sea or turn a staff into a serpent, for starters...

RobSeace: The really tricky part is figuring out which parts are and which parts aren't...


o noes, you mean i actually have to read it IN context??!? :(

IDW HATES READING!!!1!

/it's true

i'm going to begin by guessing the parts where the devil was talking shouldn't be interpreted as the Word of God

or like the parts where in the OT when Man says "it's ok to divorce the old hag" and The Word said in the NT "no stupid, you said that I didn't"
 
2012-12-11 01:28:40 PM  
The religion of peace folks.
So when do we glass parking lot them all?
 
2012-12-11 01:32:39 PM  

cretinbob: Relatively Obscure: I don't really believe he meant "literally punch them in the mouth."

[0.tqn.com image 400x445]
Let's hope we don't have to find out...again


Hasnt it been proven that Laughner was just a crazy person and NOT a political/religious crazy person?

But go ahead and keep farkin that chicken - it makes you look SOOOO smart.
 
2012-12-11 01:33:45 PM  

RobSeace: The really tricky part is figuring out which parts are and which parts aren't...


for beginners

buy one of those red/black text bibles and focus 99% on the red parts first then read the rest of the NT and then if you have some extra time go back and read the OT for comparison-contrast
 
2012-12-11 01:35:57 PM  

JackieRabbit: I was raised Episcopalian and a high churchman. One of my favorite "hymns" was Veni Veni Emmanuel. This is actually an Advent hymn or, more correctly, a plainsong prayer. My parish conducted a candle mass at sundown Christmas eve, during which the lights of the nave were lowered and we sang it kneeling. Here's a beautiful recording of it: Link. Note the slow, solemn cadence.



I'm goofing off at work and YouTube is blocked here so I can't find a link for you, so go there yourself and search for Morten Lauridsen's setting of O Magnum Mysterium. It's one of the few tunes that's even more beautiful and moving than Veni, Veni Emmanuel in my opinion. I think you'll love it.
 
2012-12-11 01:36:47 PM  

RobSeace: I assume by that they probably just mean they don't go to church


you'd think, so you can imagine my surprise from hearing this from the ones that do attend church ???

srsly i don't even
 
2012-12-11 01:43:59 PM  

Truther: Hasnt it been proven that Laughner was just a crazy person and NOT a political/religious crazy person? But go ahead and keep farkin that chicken - it makes you look SOOOO smart.


I don't think that's been proven at all. I'm not saying politics was his primary driving force or the root cause, but I'm pretty sure it was a factor and made an already bad situation much worse.
 
2012-12-11 01:46:07 PM  
Considering the Christians co-opted the Pagan holidays in the first place, I see nothing wrong here. War indeed.
 
2012-12-11 01:51:32 PM  
PreMortem: Let's start feeding Christians to the lions again -"metaphorically speaking".

The Japanese were more efficient, they would just drop their Christians into a volcano, more bang for the buck.
 
TWX
2012-12-11 02:00:02 PM  

I drunk what: TWX: The most important day in Christianity is Good Friday. The day he died.

i dunno the day of His Resurrection, seems to be up there when ranking days of importance...

but now we're just splitting hairs, maybe we should just summarize the big picture and celebrate the day of His birth as a packaged deal celebrating His life-death-resurrection, etc..

since we don't know exactly when, perhaps we can just pick one randomly

any ideas?

maybe sometime during the winter to warm up our spirits?


More accurately, everyone else is already having their parties around the time of the winter solstice to attempt to make themselves feel better, let's have our party at the same time!

Or in the spring, let's have our party when Ēostre is celebrated as a fertility rite. We'll even keep the spring fertility symbols like the eggs and bunnies and chicks.
 
2012-12-11 02:00:20 PM  
Ed Grubermann: kid_icarus: cretinbob: The war on Xmas is all in some peoples tiny, deluded minds

This.

Although to be more precise, upper-middle class suburban Christians LOVE the drama of feeling like they're embattled and persecuted. It falls very closely to the "first world problems" meme.

Christianity is the religion of persecution. It's so ingrained in the belief system that if they are not being persecuted they invent imaginary persecutions. They still haven't figured out that the Jews and the pagan Romans no longer outnumber them.


t3.gstatic.com
 
2012-12-11 02:03:10 PM  
The Freedom from Religion Foundation members probably do deserve a good punch in the mouth (as well as members of a lot of religious organizations)

There are religious trolls and there are non-religious trolls. FFRF members are trolls.

They are the atheist version of the Westboro baptist church.
 
2012-12-11 02:07:49 PM  

Peter_B_Risen: The Freedom from Religion Foundation members probably do deserve a good punch in the mouth (as well as members of a lot of religious organizations)

There are religious trolls and there are non-religious trolls. FFRF members are trolls.

They are the atheist version of the Westboro baptist church.


2/10. Higher before you compared them to Westboro.
 
2012-12-11 02:08:10 PM  
Freedom of religion also means freedom FROM religion. Separation of church and state means that no government body can favor one religion over others. America is a country of equality for all, not favoritism for you. And no, America was NOT founded as a Christian nation.

Besides, many Christians act the exact opposite way God and Jesus commanded them to. And which Christians should have their say? Catholics? Baptists? Lutherans? Mormons? Jehovah's Witnesses? The rattlesnake-handling sect? You guys can't even keep your club together.
 
2012-12-11 02:09:57 PM  
Bring it, Fatty.
 
2012-12-11 02:11:01 PM  
t2.gstatic.com
 
2012-12-11 02:20:00 PM  

TWX: More accurately, everyone else is already having their parties around the time of the winter solstice to attempt to make themselves feel better, let's have our party at the same time!

Or in the spring, let's have our party when Ēostre is celebrated as a fertility rite. We'll even keep the spring fertility symbols like the eggs and bunnies and chicks.


i'm ok you're ok?

maybe we should just let bygones be bygones

perhaps, as a predominantly Christian nation, we should also celebrate hanukkah, ramadan, kwanza and joseph smith's birthday as national holidays...

to be sure no one feels left out

just think of all the wonderful public holiday displays we'd get to see

not to mention the boost the to holiday shopping craze

we can't lose ! :D

OR

as the trolls in this thread have already so eloquently put it

since people have different views:
i2.kym-cdn.com

we should just ban all religious activities

after all this nation was built by atheists for atheists
 
2012-12-11 02:24:51 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: And no, America was NOT founded as a Christian nation.


I drunk what: after all this nation was built by atheists for atheists


lulz, i really need to start typing faster

/moar funny that way
 
2012-12-11 02:25:28 PM  

Ed Grubermann: HindiDiscoMonster: I don't know how to break this to you... but I see quite a bit more Pagan decoration during Christmas than Christian... how come no Atheists attack those displays and demand the removal (from public lands) displays of Christmas trees, Santa, or other Pagan symbols... how come only Christians get the hate? Seems to me, you should attack the largest market - Pagan symbols.

Because they've become generic symbols. Christians have stripped of their original meaning. There are no Druids (save for those tree-hugging new age morons I talked about). But you already know this and are just being a persecuted ass.


awwww isn't that so cute how you attribute things to my personality or life in which i have not expressed any such thought/opinion? That is just so adorable. Oh and one thing... you are misspelling Catholics.
 
2012-12-11 02:26:22 PM  

I drunk what: perhaps, as a predominantly Christian nation, we should also celebrate hanukkah, ramadan, kwanza and joseph smith's birthday as national holidays...


We do celebrate all those things. The thing is that most of that is celebrated as it should be, by the people who hold the associated beliefs in their homes, places of worship, etc. For some bizarre reason, some Christian groups in the U.S. aren't satisfied with celebrating their own beliefs in their homes and churches and such, and insist on trying to put their faith in public places like schools, courthouses, etc., and to try and force it one everyone else whether they want it or not. It's just rude!
 
2012-12-11 02:30:23 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: you are misspelling Catholics.


I love how Catholics always get tossed under the bus, as if Catholics and Protestants have literally nothing to do with each other.
 
2012-12-11 02:30:53 PM  

I drunk what: RobSeace: supposedly religious people do...

btw who are these people, i keep hearing about??

who is supposing???

even most xians i talk to these days are, "spiritual but not religious"

/and use crystal healing...etc..
//wish i was kidding


sad isn't it?
 
2012-12-11 02:32:58 PM  

I drunk what: RobSeace: Why was he called the Prince of Peace, then?

Physical Peace =/= Spiritual (or Mind) Peace

He definitely does not want us to physically beat religion into people... however we are not to spiritually compromise with them either

see?

It's the Natural way to resolve our differences


that is the distinction that I find most Atheists I know personally are unable to resolve... physical vs spiritual.
 
2012-12-11 02:34:33 PM  

RobSeace: But, if you mean put him on your ignore list, so you don't even need to see his posts anymore, that seems to indicate some issues of your own...


I put people on ignore (and IDW already was before this thread, and marked as "Dimwitted troll") simply because I don't have all day to spend reading the discussions on Fark. I'd rather read comments from those that have something to contribute or at least have some sort of logic in their arguments, even when I don't agree with them.

So I guess I do have an issue -- not enough time.
 
2012-12-11 02:34:41 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: that is the distinction that I find most Atheists I know personally are unable to resolve... physical vs spiritual.


That's because no two people ever manage to define spiritual the same way, or in any way that doesn't sound like hooey.
 
2012-12-11 02:38:43 PM  

Valiente: someonelse: letrole: Atheism is a Religion

Velveeta is cheese

Well, technically it's processed cheese food product. It relates to actual cheese the same way religion relates to actual spirituality, in my experience.

Both go well with Triscuits.


this is what i use on Triscuits:

4.bp.blogspot.com

Orange cap though...
 
2012-12-11 02:40:36 PM  
I have a theory about conservatives. I know it's only a theory, but more and more the evidence seems to support the theory.

Conservatives are shallow, mean people.

That is my theory.
 
2012-12-11 02:42:03 PM  

RobSeace: I drunk what: you want me to reach through the internet-monitor and punch you in the face slap you?

cause i will! didn't you RTFA?TFT?

[lh5.googleusercontent.com image 228x221]

Hah! I've got an anti-punch/slap firewall in place on my Intertubes connection!


i would love to see the iproute command line on that one :P
 
2012-12-11 02:43:59 PM  

StrangeQ: RobSeace: To suggest ignoring him is just a sign of a weak mind...

How so? It's like putting people like Bevets on ignore. There's no point in arguing with them or even trying to have a discussion because they are just going to post the same copypasta and ignore all rational arguments. Better to simply ignore them and let them talk to themselves over in the corner.


Think of it in a real life context. Would you ignore someone being argumentative and irrational, or would you just prefer to ignore them because it's avoiding unnecessary confrontation?
 
2012-12-11 02:46:50 PM  

I drunk what: Keizer_Ghidorah: And no, America was NOT founded as a Christian nation.

I drunk what: after all this nation was built by atheists for atheists

lulz, i really need to start typing faster

/moar funny that way


Now, now... Keizer's statement doesn't mean or imply your sarcastic one... And, he's correct... While many of the founding fathers were Christians of one stripe or another, many were instead deists or theistic rationalists or something else entirely... But, regardless they all seemed to consider religion a private affair, and something to definitely keep out of government...
 
2012-12-11 02:47:09 PM  

MacWizard: RobSeace: But, if you mean put him on your ignore list, so you don't even need to see his posts anymore, that seems to indicate some issues of your own...

I put people on ignore (and IDW already was before this thread, and marked as "Dimwitted troll") simply because I don't have all day to spend reading the discussions on Fark. I'd rather read comments from those that have something to contribute or at least have some sort of logic in their arguments, even when I don't agree with them.

So I guess I do have an issue -- not enough time.


Exactly. Why waste effort on someone who is just talking sh*t to get a rise out of you? You wouldn't do that in real life, why would you do it online?
 
2012-12-11 02:50:41 PM  
I drunk what: RobSeace: Yeah, that's what I was railing against: the OT interpretation god

big difference

always better to get your info directly from The Word of God

RobSeace: I know that stuff isn't supposed to apply to you Christians anymore

history does apply to us, however:

1. We are not jews.
2. No one is under the Old Law.
3. Not every piece of text found in the Bible == The Word of God

sorry to bust your bubble :(


Actually no piece of text found in the bible is the word of God, if you think anything written in there came from God then you're a dumbass. God did not sit down with a quill pen and write anything, the entire Bible was written by men concerning what events that they claimed had happened, and much of that was originally passed down from word of mouth.
 
2012-12-11 02:50:41 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Valiente: someonelse: letrole: Atheism is a Religion

Velveeta is cheese

Well, technically it's processed cheese food product. It relates to actual cheese the same way religion relates to actual spirituality, in my experience.

Both go well with Triscuits.

this is what i use on Triscuits:

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 188x250]

Orange cap though...


Easy Cheese, Cheesy Christ, whatever. Blessed are the cheesemakers.

www.darrenbarefoot.com
 
TWX
2012-12-11 02:50:49 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Besides, many Christians act the exact opposite way God and Jesus commanded them to. And which Christians should have their say? Catholics? Baptists? Lutherans? Mormons? Jehovah's Witnesses? The rattlesnake-handling sect? You guys can't even keep your club together.


Mormons aren't Christians. Mormons are the fourth Abrahamic religion, this time derived from Christianity as opposed being derived from Judiasm like Christianity and Islam are.
 
2012-12-11 02:51:36 PM  

RobSeace: I drunk what: Keizer_Ghidorah: And no, America was NOT founded as a Christian nation.

I drunk what: after all this nation was built by atheists for atheists

lulz, i really need to start typing faster

/moar funny that way

Now, now... Keizer's statement doesn't mean or imply your sarcastic one... And, he's correct... While many of the founding fathers were Christians of one stripe or another, many were instead deists or theistic rationalists or something else entirely... But, regardless they all seemed to consider religion a private affair, and something to definitely keep out of government...


Because the Christians that want to intertwine the two probably wouldn't like it if they got their wish. Which denomination? Which churches? They don't think that far ahead.

They view any contrary opinions or practices to be an affront to their faith that must be stamped out.
 
2012-12-11 02:52:15 PM  

Epicedion: HindiDiscoMonster: you are misspelling Catholics.

I love how Catholics always get tossed under the bus, as if Catholics and Protestants have literally nothing to do with each other.


look at history... it was the Pope™ who conscripted "Christmas", not followers of Christ... actual followers of Christ know "Christmas" has nothing to do with Christ.
 
2012-12-11 02:52:48 PM  

I drunk what: perhaps, as a predominantly Christian nation, we should also celebrate hanukkah, ramadan, kwanza and joseph smith's birthday as national holidays...


Nobody, not even christians, would complain about more days off. That is why it is so idiotic when christians suggest that non-christians should work on christmas because they don't believe.

I think that everyone would be happy if you could get X number of stat holidays to be used according to your beliefs. But, since the only religious based holidays are around christian days (hijacked from pagans), of course we are going to take them and enjoy them.

You don't have to believe in magic to find days away from work to be magical. Even if you do have to endure crappy music and endless christian whining about the latest war against them.
 
2012-12-11 02:53:22 PM  

Epicedion: HindiDiscoMonster: that is the distinction that I find most Atheists I know personally are unable to resolve... physical vs spiritual.

That's because no two people ever manage to define spiritual the same way, or in any way that doesn't sound like hooey.


well, in all fairness, hooey is also a subjective term isn't it?
 
2012-12-11 02:54:35 PM  

L.D. Ablo: Those are the cries of a wounded, cornered and dying animal. The Scary Black Guy got re-elected, they lost the culture war and will be irrelevant in another generation.


Every time someone believes that, a new Great Awakening occurs. Religion is not a trend in America, it's a generational cycle, fueled by the materiel excesses of every generation that throws off the mantle of religion and thinks that means it's time to go bug fark insane about it.
 
2012-12-11 03:08:57 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: look at history... it was the Pope™ who conscripted "Christmas", not followers of Christ... actual followers of Christ know "Christmas" has nothing to do with Christ.


And of course the Pope isn't and wasn't ever a follower of Christ.

HindiDiscoMonster: well, in all fairness, hooey is also a subjective term isn't it?


That doesn't answer the challenge of nailing down just what the hell "spiritual" really means.
 
2012-12-11 03:14:22 PM  

foxyshadis: L.D. Ablo: Those are the cries of a wounded, cornered and dying animal. The Scary Black Guy got re-elected, they lost the culture war and will be irrelevant in another generation.

Every time someone believes that, a new Great Awakening occurs. Religion is not a trend in America, it's a generational cycle, fueled by the materiel excesses of every generation that throws off the mantle of religion and thinks that means it's time to go bug fark insane about it.


Maybe, but I don't think it's this upcoming generation. My 17 year old son and all his best friends are 4.0 students and are all basically atheists. Even the ones whose parents still force them to go to church. I have talked with them all about it. The idea of some omnipotent, all seeing creator just seems ridiculous to them, and it wasn't because of anything I tried to convince them of. It's because of logic.
/I'm so proud it brings a tear to my eye.
 
2012-12-11 03:15:09 PM  

cwolf20: They've challenged Atheists to Moral Kombat (not misspelled)


No, no,no,no. It's MORAL KOMBAT!

/test, your might
 
2012-12-11 03:16:11 PM  

Epicedion: HindiDiscoMonster: look at history... it was the Pope™ who conscripted "Christmas", not followers of Christ... actual followers of Christ know "Christmas" has nothing to do with Christ.

And of course the Pope isn't and wasn't ever a follower of Christ.

HindiDiscoMonster: well, in all fairness, hooey is also a subjective term isn't it?

That doesn't answer the challenge of nailing down just what the hell "spiritual" really means.


Yup... you got that right... one cannot worship two masters... God and an Idol.


spir·it·u·al /ˈspiriCHooəl/ Adjective; "Of, relating to, or affecting the human spirit or soul as opposed to material or physical things."

Seems pretty clearly defined to me.
 
2012-12-11 03:27:06 PM  

purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: Maybe, but I don't think it's this upcoming generation. My 17 year old son and all his best friends are 4.0 students and are all basically atheists. Even the ones whose parents still force them to go to church. I have talked with them all about it. The idea of some omnipotent, all seeing creator just seems ridiculous to them, and it wasn't because of anything I tried to convince them of. It's because of logic.
/I'm so proud it brings a tear to my eye.


Yeah ... I think kids are being exposed to other ideas at a much earlier age because of the internet (a good thing IMO). The earlier it is done the more likely it will break through the indoctrination.

They are looking at religion with far more objective eyes that people of their age did in the past ... and religion doesn't fair well against objective scrutiny.
 
2012-12-11 03:30:27 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Yup... you got that right... one cannot worship two masters... God and an Idol.


Hilarious.

HindiDiscoMonster: spir·it·u·al /ˈspiriCHooəl/ Adjective; "Of, relating to, or affecting the human spirit or soul as opposed to material or physical things."

Seems pretty clearly defined to me.


Running to the dictionary almost never helps. See, we can agree that's what the word means, but that's vastly different from what people mean when they use the word. One person might use it to mean a deep relationship with their god, while another might think of it as communing with energy vortexes, and another might not assign it any meaning whatsoever except as a placeholder for the jumbled assortment of crap they've assembled from the wreckage of theologies they read the Cliff's Notes for.

So when someone says "spiritual" they rarely mean "of or pertaining to the human spirit, etc." It's usually just associated nonsense.
 
2012-12-11 03:34:39 PM  

Epicedion: HindiDiscoMonster: Yup... you got that right... one cannot worship two masters... God and an Idol.

Hilarious.

HindiDiscoMonster: spir·it·u·al /ˈspiriCHooəl/ Adjective; "Of, relating to, or affecting the human spirit or soul as opposed to material or physical things."

Seems pretty clearly defined to me.

Running to the dictionary almost never helps. See, we can agree that's what the word means, but that's vastly different from what people mean when they use the word. One person might use it to mean a deep relationship with their god, while another might think of it as communing with energy vortexes, and another might not assign it any meaning whatsoever except as a placeholder for the jumbled assortment of crap they've assembled from the wreckage of theologies they read the Cliff's Notes for.

So when someone says "spiritual" they rarely mean "of or pertaining to the human spirit, etc." It's usually just associated nonsense.


"Dictionary definitions are written with a lot of things in mind, but rigorously circumscribing the exact meanings and connotations of terms is not usually one of them."

- Jesse Sheidlower, the editor at large of the Oxford English Dictionary
 
2012-12-11 03:37:46 PM  

Epicedion: HindiDiscoMonster: Yup... you got that right... one cannot worship two masters... God and an Idol.

Hilarious.


Do you disagree that the Catholic church, from it's inception, has been about tradition, not following the teachings of Christ? In addition, do you also disagree that the Catholic church has it's followers pray to Humans (dead ones) such as Mary or other "Saints"?

for clarity... here is the accepted definition of Idolatry:

i·dol·a·try /īˈdälətrē/ Noun; 1. Worship of idols. 2. Extreme admiration, love, or reverence for something or someone: "idolatry of art".
Synonyms: adoration, worship

HindiDiscoMonster: spir·it·u·al /ˈspiriCHooəl/ Adjective; "Of, relating to, or affecting the human spirit or soul as opposed to material or physical things."

Seems pretty clearly defined to me.

Running to the dictionary almost never helps. See, we can agree that's what the word means, but that's vastly different from what people mean when they use the word. One person might use it to mean a deep relationship with their god, while another might think of it as communing with energy vortexes, and another might not assign it any meaning whatsoever except as a placeholder for the jumbled assortment of crap they've assembled from the wreckage of theologies they read the Cliff's Notes for.

So when someone says "spiritual" they rarely mean "of or pertaining to the human spirit, etc." It's usually just associated nonsense.


oh I agree completely... most people do not use words correctly.
 
2012-12-11 03:40:18 PM  

Farking Canuck: Epicedion: HindiDiscoMonster: Yup... you got that right... one cannot worship two masters... God and an Idol.

Hilarious.

HindiDiscoMonster: spir·it·u·al /ˈspiriCHooəl/ Adjective; "Of, relating to, or affecting the human spirit or soul as opposed to material or physical things."

Seems pretty clearly defined to me.

Running to the dictionary almost never helps. See, we can agree that's what the word means, but that's vastly different from what people mean when they use the word. One person might use it to mean a deep relationship with their god, while another might think of it as communing with energy vortexes, and another might not assign it any meaning whatsoever except as a placeholder for the jumbled assortment of crap they've assembled from the wreckage of theologies they read the Cliff's Notes for.

So when someone says "spiritual" they rarely mean "of or pertaining to the human spirit, etc." It's usually just associated nonsense.

"Dictionary definitions are written with a lot of things in mind, but rigorously circumscribing the exact meanings and connotations of terms is not usually one of them."
- Jesse Sheidlower, the editor at large of the Oxford English Dictionary


so, in other words, it should be just as valid to say: "plagdo verim sexodomonon splizididlersix" instead of "hello how are you" because defined words have no "real" meaning, correct?
 
2012-12-11 03:46:06 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Do you disagree that the Catholic church, from it's inception, has been about tradition, not following the teachings of Christ? In addition, do you also disagree that the Catholic church has it's followers pray to Humans (dead ones) such as Mary or other "Saints"?

for clarity... here is the accepted definition of Idolatry:

i·dol·a·try /īˈdälətrē/ Noun; 1. Worship of idols. 2. Extreme admiration, love, or reverence for something or someone: "idolatry of art".
Synonyms: adoration, worship


I don't particularly care about the details of how people pray to whatever they pray to, however I'll note that many of the saints probably at least existed (while it's unlikely they ever did anything miraculous). I find it funny that Catholics always seem to take a certain amount of "not real Christians" mud from the Protestant denominations, even though they're both pretty solid on the whole Jesus/God thing. It's like telling your half-brother that you can marry the cousin but he can't, because she's also his aunt.

HindiDiscoMonster: oh I agree completely... most people do not use words correctly.


The point here is that your use of spiritual doesn't have any defining features to make it seem any more or less correct than anyone else's, as none of you satisfy the basic requirement of showing these nonphysical components you keep referring to.
 
2012-12-11 03:46:20 PM  

VendorXeno: We do celebrate all those things. The thing is that most of that is celebrated as it should be, by the people who hold the associated beliefs in their homes, places of worship, etc. For some bizarre reason, some Christian groups in the U.S. aren't satisfied with celebrating their own beliefs in their homes and churches and such, and insist on trying to put their faith in public places like schools, courthouses, etc., and to try and force it one everyone else whether they want it or not. It's just rude!


i'm convinced, no more xmas for you, be sure to show up during office hours on that day

do your part citizen!

Latinwolf: God did not sit down with a quill pen and write anything


perhaps He was dictating

/from the castle of aaaaaaaaaargh
 
2012-12-11 03:48:21 PM  

Epicedion: That doesn't answer the challenge of nailing down just what the hell "spiritual" really means.


that depends on your definition of Nature
 
2012-12-11 03:50:18 PM  

Ed Grubermann: kid_icarus: cretinbob: The war on Xmas is all in some peoples tiny, deluded minds

This.

Although to be more precise, upper-middle class suburban Christians LOVE the drama of feeling like they're embattled and persecuted. It falls very closely to the "first world problems" meme.

Christianity is the religion of persecution. It's so ingrained in the belief system that if they are not being persecuted they invent imaginary persecutions. They still haven't figured out that the Jews and the pagan Romans no longer outnumber them.


At least the Jews turn their past persecution into a freakin' fantastic dinner with a little light reading.
 
2012-12-11 03:50:30 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: so, in other words, it should be just as valid to say: "plagdo verim sexodomonon splizididlersix" instead of "hello how are you" because defined words have no "real" meaning, correct?


Actually I think he's saying that you say "hello how are you" because the phrase "hello how are you" has its own meaning separate from the basic meanings of the individual words.

The problem with "spiritual" is that everyone jumps straight to it when they reach the extent of their own explanatory power. I posit it's because when they get to saying something is "spiritual" it's because they're talking about stuff that isn't real, and nonreality is a real downer when it comes to trying to describe something. So you get people with "spiritual experiences" and whatnot, or as noninvested people like to call them, imagination and hallucination.
 
2012-12-11 03:56:08 PM  

Epicedion: HindiDiscoMonster: Do you disagree that the Catholic church, from it's inception, has been about tradition, not following the teachings of Christ? In addition, do you also disagree that the Catholic church has it's followers pray to Humans (dead ones) such as Mary or other "Saints"?

for clarity... here is the accepted definition of Idolatry:

i·dol·a·try /īˈdälətrē/ Noun; 1. Worship of idols. 2. Extreme admiration, love, or reverence for something or someone: "idolatry of art".
Synonyms: adoration, worship

I don't particularly care about the details of how people pray to whatever they pray to, however I'll note that many of the saints probably at least existed (while it's unlikely they ever did anything miraculous). I find it funny that Catholics always seem to take a certain amount of "not real Christians" mud from the Protestant denominations, even though they're both pretty solid on the whole Jesus/God thing. It's like telling your half-brother that you can marry the cousin but he can't, because she's also his aunt.


It's all about the details... you cannot accept one part of a faith and not everything else that goes with it. If you do a little research, Idolatry is a big no-no... One cannot claim to be Christian if one does not follow the teachings of Christ (all of them, no matter how inconvenient).

HindiDiscoMonster: oh I agree completely... most people do not use words correctly.

The point here is that your use of spiritual doesn't have any defining features to make it seem any more or less correct than anyone else's, as none of you satisfy the basic requirement of showing these nonphysical components you keep referring to.


You do understand that in order to "show" a non-physical component, that would provide "proof" which is the opposite of "faith" which is what belief is about.

/what do you mean "you" people?
 
2012-12-11 03:57:42 PM  

hubiestubert: I am a Buddhist who enjoys the Christmas season.

This sort of asshat does a lot more damage to the spirit of the season.


To get momentarily sappy, I was in a medical waiting room, filling time by reading "Reader's Digest", when one of the anecdotes stuck with me. As it was told, the writer (a Catholic priest) was attending some sort of interfaith convention, and took a Rabbi colleague to a Chinese restaurant for Christmas dinner. When the check came, it was with a Christmas card and a small collection of pressed-tin trinkets that are apparently cultural tokens of good luck. According to the story, the Rabbi's eyes welled up with tears, and the storyteller asked why. "Only in America," said the Rabbi "Would a Jew be taken to dinner by a Christian, only to be given a Christmas gift by a Bhuddist."
 
2012-12-11 03:58:00 PM  

Epicedion: HindiDiscoMonster: so, in other words, it should be just as valid to say: "plagdo verim sexodomonon splizididlersix" instead of "hello how are you" because defined words have no "real" meaning, correct?

Actually I think he's saying that you say "hello how are you" because the phrase "hello how are you" has its own meaning separate from the basic meanings of the individual words.

The problem with "spiritual" is that everyone jumps straight to it when they reach the extent of their own explanatory power. I posit it's because when they get to saying something is "spiritual" it's because they're talking about stuff that isn't real, and nonreality is a real downer when it comes to trying to describe something. So you get people with "spiritual experiences" and whatnot, or as noninvested people like to call them, imagination and hallucination.


please provide your definition of this.
 
2012-12-11 03:58:38 PM  
I drunk what: VendorXeno: We do celebrate all those things. The thing is that most of that is celebrated as it should be, by the people who hold the associated beliefs in their homes, places of worship, etc. For some bizarre reason, some Christian groups in the U.S. aren't satisfied with celebrating their own beliefs in their homes and churches and such, and insist on trying to put their faith in public places like schools, courthouses, etc., and to try and force it one everyone else whether they want it or not. It's just rude!

i'm convinced, no more xmas for you, be sure to show up during office hours on that day

do your part citizen!

Latinwolf: God did not sit down with a quill pen and write anything

perhaps He was dictating

/from the castle of aaaaaaaaaargh


Interesting how you removed the comments I had been replying to, which were your own, and put in someone else's comments that I was not replying to thus displaying that you really are full of shiat.
 
2012-12-11 04:00:42 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: It's all about the details... you cannot accept one part of a faith and not everything else that goes with it. If you do a little research, Idolatry is a big no-no... One cannot claim to be Christian if one does not follow the teachings of Christ (all of them, no matter how inconvenient).


Enjoying your bacon-wrapped scallops and your cheeseburgers and your poly-cotton blend shirts? Heathen.

HindiDiscoMonster: You do understand that in order to "show" a non-physical component, that would provide "proof" which is the opposite of "faith" which is what belief is about.


That's insanity -- you're saying that in order to believe something you first have to have no sufficient reason to believe it? Douglas Adams once wrote something about having "tea" and "no tea." Faith seems much more like an excuse, rather a "get out of jail free" card, in this case.
 
2012-12-11 04:02:53 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: please provide your definition of this.


That which lacks the quality of being real.
 
2012-12-11 04:04:47 PM  

Latinwolf: I drunk what: VendorXeno: We do celebrate all those things. The thing is that most of that is celebrated as it should be, by the people who hold the associated beliefs in their homes, places of worship, etc. For some bizarre reason, some Christian groups in the U.S. aren't satisfied with celebrating their own beliefs in their homes and churches and such, and insist on trying to put their faith in public places like schools, courthouses, etc., and to try and force it one everyone else whether they want it or not. It's just rude!

i'm convinced, no more xmas for you, be sure to show up during office hours on that day

do your part citizen!

Latinwolf: God did not sit down with a quill pen and write anything

perhaps He was dictating

/from the castle of aaaaaaaaaargh

Interesting how you removed the comments I had been replying to, which were your own, and put in someone else's comments that I was not replying to thus displaying that you really are full of shiat.


The post in question:
Latinwolf:I drunk what: RobSeace: Yeah, that's what I was railing against: the OT interpretation god

big difference

always better to get your info directly from The Word of God

RobSeace: I know that stuff isn't supposed to apply to you Christians anymore

history does apply to us, however:

1. We are not jews.
2. No one is under the Old Law.
3. Not every piece of text found in the Bible == The Word of God

sorry to bust your bubble :(

Actually no piece of text found in the bible is the word of God, if you think anything written in there came from God then you're a dumbass. God did not sit down with a quill pen and write anything, the entire Bible was written by men concerning what events that they claimed had happened, and much of that was originally passed down from word of mouth.


Now I am confused.
 
2012-12-11 04:09:42 PM  

I drunk what: i'm convinced, no more xmas for you, be sure to show up during office hours on that day

do your part citizen!


Why, exactly, would anyone need, or want, their government to declare special days they don't go to work? I make a point of never going to work on, as an example, my Birthday or X-day. I don't need some state sponsored holiday to decide when I do and don't work.
 
2012-12-11 04:11:49 PM  

Epicedion: HindiDiscoMonster: It's all about the details... you cannot accept one part of a faith and not everything else that goes with it. If you do a little research, Idolatry is a big no-no... One cannot claim to be Christian if one does not follow the teachings of Christ (all of them, no matter how inconvenient).

Enjoying your bacon-wrapped scallops and your cheeseburgers and your poly-cotton blend shirts? Heathen.


ewwwwwwwwwwww
also... I am not, nor have I ever been Jewish.
oh yes, and I wear pure cotton baby... I hate the feel of poly-cotton blends... and it's too damn hot down here in the south to wear it anyway.

HindiDiscoMonster: You do understand that in order to "show" a non-physical component, that would provide "proof" which is the opposite of "faith" which is what belief is about.

That's insanity -- you're saying that in order to believe something you first have to have no sufficient reason to believe it? Douglas Adams once wrote something about having "tea" and "no tea." Faith seems much more like an excuse, rather a "get out of jail free" card, in this case.


I said that faith and proof are opposing. I didn't make the language, I just abide by the rules of it.
The best definition of faith I know of is:
"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Which is Hebrews 11:1 btw


/just because you perceive something is an excuse doesn't mean it is
 
2012-12-11 04:15:13 PM  

Epicedion: Douglas Adams once wrote something about having "tea" and "no tea."


www.douglasadams.com

/And, "That thing your aunt gave you which you don't know what it is"...
 
2012-12-11 04:16:58 PM  

RobSeace: Epicedion: Douglas Adams once wrote something about having "tea" and "no tea."

[www.douglasadams.com image 500x380]

/And, "That thing your aunt gave you which you don't know what it is"...


dammit... I thought that was a hotlinked java game... till i read it :S

/shakes tiny fist....
 
2012-12-11 04:22:13 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-11 04:26:43 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: ewwwwwwwwwwww
also... I am not, nor have I ever been Jewish.
oh yes, and I wear pure cotton baby... I hate the feel of poly-cotton blends... and it's too damn hot down here in the south to wear it anyway.


The finer details of what you do are irrelevant, it's just things that the Bible says not to do that no one seems to care about anymore.

HindiDiscoMonster: I said that faith and proof are opposing. I didn't make the language, I just abide by the rules of it.
The best definition of faith I know of is:
"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Which is Hebrews 11:1 btw


I'm sure there are better definitions that are far less flattering, and hold equal weight to Hebrews. Also that are much newer and were originally written in English. Way better, really.

HindiDiscoMonster: /just because you perceive something is an excuse doesn't mean it is


You're the one with the insane proposition of believing something before you have sufficient reason to believe it. You're either painting faith as insanity or as an ill-defined excuse for insanity

I don't think this is how people actually work, by the way. People perceive sufficient reason to believe, but that don't make it so, either, to paraphrase you. That's why I like a good standard of proof. That way we don't have to go back and forth as much. Except you've already said that the belief is from faith and faith is the opposite of proof. I'd posit that proof is reality, and by incredibly tenuous analogy that would make the belief be the opposite of reality, eg, false.

And this is why I'd prefer to just knock you on the head a bit for using the word "spiritual," because for fark's sake it doesn't mean to other people what it means to you.
 
2012-12-11 04:27:26 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Now I am confused.


don't look at me

i guess he is pissed because i didn't quote the entire thread?

or because i responded to more than one person in a single post??

he ran out of medication???