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(Onion AV Club)   A Tyler Perry movie? Occasionally entertaining. White guys at the AV Club trying to understand the allure of Tyler Perry? Always entertaining   (avclub.com ) divider line 68
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2012-12-11 08:42:02 AM  
This article pretty much sums up why I don't like Tyler Perry's movies.
http://clatl.com/atlanta/andisheh-nouraees-diary-of-a-confused-beige- m an/Content?oid=1272561

/am black, male, hetrosexual
//ain't in his demographic
///would probably be the antagonist in his movies
////admires is hustle though
 
2012-12-11 09:09:35 AM  

stoli n coke: verbaltoxin: stoli n coke: TheLopper: God damn, even Patton Oswalt hit Fark critical mass. Shiatballs.

Like Zach Galifinakis and Louis C.K. before him, Patton committed the Fark cardinal sin of taking jobs that actually paid well instead of just spending the next 30 years playing clubs attended only by 3 farkers and their imaginary girlfriends.

I have one issue with Patton Oswalt, as well as David Cross, who also does this a lot. If they make a mainstream, crappy movie for a big paycheck, then it's okay, but if anyone else does it, then they're horrible, awful people who should be skinned alive, and have their wounds covered in sand.

I could even stomach that hypocrisy to a point, except both Oswalt and Cross make these kind of jokes a lot, and nerdy elitism informs a lot of their acts. It's kind of the basis for them, really. So whenever either of them go off on how Larry the Cable guy is the cancer of comedy, I think of King of Queens or Alvin in the Chipmunks, and make a jack-off motion in the air.

Larry the Cable guy is a cancer of comedy because he isn't funny. He's a midwestern Seinfeld wannabe who couldn't hack it, so he slapped on the equivalent of redneck blackface.


Not my point. What I said was David Cross and Patton Oswalt are okay with taking crappy jobs for money, but then skewer Larry for doing Delta Farce. Of course Larry is going to do Delta Farce, that comedy is in his wheelhouse. But unlike Oswalt and Cross, Larry doesn't turn right around, head out to the comedy circuit and talk sh*t about everyone he worked with on Delta Farce while his audience howls in haughty laughter. Oswalt and Cross do, and in fact a huge part of their act is showing off how two-faced and egotistical they are.
 
2012-12-11 09:11:42 AM  

Ishkur: rugman11: Trying to intellectually analyze Tyler Perry is like trying to critique James Patterson or Thomas Kinkade.

Painter of Trite. Mass-produced, feather-lite fluff, designed for collection plates, calendars and nursing homes. Warm, cozy, idyllic, pastoral - scenery so perfect and so effervescent that it's overkill. Especially when you realize how many of these he ran off the assembly line over the years. They're all the same, each one a carbon copy of the others, in form, style and composition. The more he churned out, the more they felt like parody to the point where they transcended their own uplifting warmth to invert into something ironic and disturbing. Salvador Dali would have considered Kinkade's entire body of work to be a masterpiece of sentimental absurdism.

That Kinkade wanted to capture idealism while at the same time violating basic principles of physics and lighting is a good metaphor for what's wrong with his work: It's so insincere that it's offensive to real life. Despite objects ranging from fifty feet to fifty miles away, there is no depth. Everything is a flat, multi-tonal, highlighted stroke of the same brush, betraying real perspective. There is a limited range of colors and everything is in focus. Where is the light reflecting off the snow coming from? Why does the interior of every cottage look like it is on fire? And who really lives in cottages anymore, anyway?

This is a guy claiming to be doing God's work and according to him God is safe, boring, and only just barely aesthetically pleasing. The pinnacle of mediocrity. And you just know that in an alternate Universe there was a Thomas Kinkade who didn't quite make it as an artist so he started World War III instead.

/there, how'd I do?


I like it. Crypto-Godwinned!
 
2012-12-11 09:12:53 AM  
Now that I've reexplained my point, I'll add that I still like both David Cross' and Patton Oswalt's jokes for the most part. I like their skewerings of pop culture and politics. Both are also unafraid to tell jokes about times they've made asses of themselves too.

Last thing: Ratatouille was hardly the worst thing Patton Oswalt ever did. No that would be the Heart She Hollar.
 
2012-12-11 09:22:14 AM  
I don't think anyone can say that Tyler Perry isn't a hard-working sonofabiatch. It's kind of interesting to see how far hard work can get you in the absence of talent. Which is interesting, because talent is often what prevents people from engaging in that kind of hard work; it's like they feel entitled to success simply because they're good enough, without considering the competition.
 
2012-12-11 09:23:28 AM  

Guntram Shatterhand: The article makes a good point: Perry panders to a subset that prefers their fiction full of the hope of the world they cannot have where traditional gender roles are not only reinforced but completely unexamined. Which makes the latent homoeroticism within even stranger as it could be read as a conflict: it's okay to be gay, but women who can stand on their own must be utterly destroyed because they lose their humanity. It's backing a system to preach homosexual acceptance while beating down women. It's a very unique robbing Peter to pay Paul. It's just a complex power struggle to get back to an artificial normalcy that really never existed.


I'm sure the "Angry Black Woman" blog has something to say about this.
 
2012-12-11 02:54:14 PM  
From what I've seen, his movies and plays come down to the same schmaltzy point: "We are family and no matter what we know God is on our side."

Trite, simple-minded, and pandering. If I were Black, I'd insist on something a little less condescending, but then, I'm sort of white and I don't understand why anybody pays to watch Transformers movies, either. I guess some people like movies and entertainment that treats them like they're simple.

But then, what do I know? I think the pinnacles of Black filmmaking are "The Brother From Another Planet", "Black Dynamite", "Undercover Brother", "Blacula", and "Breakin'".

Okay... So "Breakin'" isn't really a Black film. It's more like a whitebread take on early 80s Black culture. But I can't get enough of Lucinda Dickey. Why didn't she make more movies? "Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo" and "Ninja 3" don't count.

Where was I? Oh, yeah... Actually, I always liked Purple Rain. Preachy, but good. And I think "Harlem Nights" is a great flick.

I just think it's possible to make a movie aimed at the Black community without getting all preachy and "God loves us". I still cannot understand how a people who were forced into slavery because of an adherence to the Bible (which explicitly instructs believers to engage in slavery) could come around to believe and adore the very book that endorsed and enabled their enslavement. I'm not Black, but I think that if I were, and I were inclined to be religious, I'd feel a lot better being a something besides Christian. It just seems like the Black community (and especially Tyler Perry) forgot that it was the Christian God that told white folks:

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

How can you reconcile being descended from slaves, and then embracing a religion in which slavery is a central belief? Slavery is endorsed, promoted, and encouraged by God. The Bible tells you who you can enslave (anyone from a foreign land), how to treat them (you may rape them, and strike them without killing them), and how to punish them (Jesus says it's good to beat your slaves if they are Christian and don't obey their Christian masters).

I'm not trying to be controversial here. I just really don't get it! It seems to me that being Black and embracing Christianity is kind of like being Jewish and joining the Klan. Is this a widespread version of Stockholm syndrome? Is it willfully ignoring the facts in favor of a new, more acceptable fantasy? What makes it okay for people who were enslaved to cling so tightly to the religion that endorsed that slavery?

I'm sure there's no easy answer to this, but I've been genuinely confused about this aspect of African American culture. Why the deep love for the Christian God? It just makes no damned sense to me.

/Native American & Welsh. I will never profess love for General George Custer or Christopher Columbus.
//I'd certainly never worship them.
///And Daniel Boone can go f♥ck himself, too.
 
2012-12-11 03:07:23 PM  

Ishkur: rugman11: Trying to intellectually analyze Tyler Perry is like trying to critique James Patterson or Thomas Kinkade.

Painter of Trite. Mass-produced, feather-lite fluff, designed for collection plates, calendars and nursing homes. Warm, cozy, idyllic, pastoral - scenery so perfect and so effervescent that it's overkill. Especially when you realize how many of these he ran off the assembly line over the years. They're all the same, each one a carbon copy of the others, in form, style and composition. The more he churned out, the more they felt like parody to the point where they transcended their own uplifting warmth to invert into something ironic and disturbing. Salvador Dali would have considered Kinkade's entire body of work to be a masterpiece of sentimental absurdism.

That Kinkade wanted to capture idealism while at the same time violating basic principles of physics and lighting is a good metaphor for what's wrong with his work: It's so insincere that it's offensive to real life. Despite objects ranging from fifty feet to fifty miles away, there is no depth. Everything is a flat, multi-tonal, highlighted stroke of the same brush, betraying real perspective. There is a limited range of colors and everything is in focus. Where is the light reflecting off the snow coming from? Why does the interior of every cottage look like it is on fire? And who really lives in cottages anymore, anyway?

This is a guy claiming to be doing God's work and according to him God is safe, boring, and only just barely aesthetically pleasing. The pinnacle of mediocrity. And you just know that in an alternate Universe there was a Thomas Kinkade who didn't quite make it as an artist so he started World War III instead.

/there, how'd I do?


That was awesome.

I'd love to see Kinkade as the leader of the Fourth Reich. That would be entertaining in an absurd, black comedy kind of way.

And I agree. His work was treacle pie.
 
2012-12-11 03:10:56 PM  

boogerwolf: This article pretty much sums up why I don't like Tyler Perry's movies.
Link


I think this commenter on that article sums it up for me.

Black man here (seems like one always has to do the racial disclaimer in these situations). Anywho, unlike almost all of my friends and associates, I LOATHE anything with Tyler Perry's name or moniker attached to it. Perhaps it is the mindnumbing manner by which he panders to his female audience. Possibly it is his cookie cutter moralism that sends mixed messages about gender roles in Black America. Mayhaps it is his refusal to do anything NEW, fresh, exciting, or challenging instead opting for the kind of head-nodding affirmation that is full of simplistic cultural signifiers and light on any remote kind of intellectual engagement. Possibly I cannot stand thelack of nuance or sophistication in anything that Mr. Perry passes off as "humor." Mayhaps I am completely turned off by Mr. Perry's incessant suggestion that Black women can be neither complete nor fulfilled unless they have "the love of a good man." Whatever it is either singularly or in any combination, Tyler Perry's work is the epitome of mediocrity and creative laziness that infects so much of what passes for Black culture today.
 
2012-12-11 03:11:02 PM  

Wayne 985: TheJoe03: ... I must ask though, what's with Hollywood always making movies with block comics dressed as women. I remember Chappelle talking about it.

More importantly, why do so many people go to see them? Weren't those Big Momma movies always #1 at the box office?


White Chicks did okay, too.

And I'm sorry, but if someone made a movie today in which two barely-funny white guys dress up as stereotypical Black girls, there would be cries for blood.

Now, on the other hand, Hollywood got away with this in the 80s:

content.internetvideoarchive.com

So I retract my complaint about "White Chicks".
 
2012-12-11 03:59:36 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: why do white boys like doing gay shiat to one another while a victim is passed out?

white boys can't fathom tyler perry.
the rest of the world can't fathom white boy fascination and obsession with homo shiat.


That's only a subset of white guys. There's a subset of black guys whole like a lot of that homo shiat.

what, was that the joke of your post here?
 
2012-12-11 04:36:39 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: That's only a subset of white guys. There's a subset of black guys whole like a lot of that homo shiat.

what, was that the joke of your post here?


I think it was about this.
 
2012-12-11 06:51:40 PM  

KrispyKritter: SockMonkeyHolocaust: Yeah and Patton Oswalt was on 'King of Queens' and for whatever reason people think he's funny.

Nathin Rabin status: still a pale imitation of Elizabeth Wurtzel

Patton Oswalt was on an episode of Burn Notice. i love that show but i hate that little troll. i put up with him up to the point where i saw him on a comedy special where him, that doosh big bird looking arsehole and a tiny dyke comedian were walking along somewhere on the streets of NJ and they had to go there. being as he's a midget i guess he just had to go for the low hanging fruit.

Tyler Perry? yesterday I'm Mom-sitting and the TV is just on in the background. Christmas specials aimed at a black audience. Holy crap, it was like hearing a blend of soap opera and COPS - and this was supposed to be a Christmas special. sure nuff, it was a Tyler Perry. I look forward to the day when there are so many black actors, producers, directors, writers, comedians etcetera that black audiences don't feel they have to show the love for black artists that suck. It's pretty obvious at this time that if you make it up on the stage and you're a brother or sister you're going to get mad props for making it onto the stage regardless of talent and thats just sad.


It's sad, and it's why we have Obummer as president. Some people like things that suck simply because they have the same color skin. If Fartbongo had been white he would never have gotten elected.
 
2012-12-11 07:07:18 PM  

Ravage: If Fartbongo had been white he would never have gotten elected.


Any Democrat would have been elected in 08 dummy. The joke is that Bush was so bad that he made America ready for a black president, ANY president, that wasn't a shiatty neo-con Republican dick.
 
2012-12-11 07:46:12 PM  

TheJoe03: Ravage: If Fartbongo had been white he would never have gotten elected.

Any Democrat would have been elected in 08 dummy. The joke is that Bush was so bad that he made America ready for a black president, ANY president, that wasn't a shiatty neo-con Republican dick.


The real joke is that people think there's a difference between democrats and republicans. HAHAHA!
 
2012-12-11 09:30:46 PM  

Honest Bender: The real joke is that people think there's a difference between democrats and republicans. HAHAHA!


Both part of the same shiatty system but there's definitely a difference. Sure the Democrats started acting like Republicans but in turn the Republicans started acting like the National Front.
 
2012-12-11 10:18:11 PM  
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2012-12-12 12:18:27 AM  
Just came by to say that I'm quite happy that I'm not alone in my dislike for Patton Oswalt.

/Can't stand his voice. Sounds like his balls never dropped.
 
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