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2012-12-10 08:44:51 PM  
It can't be reasonably explained.
 
2012-12-10 08:51:46 PM  
Yeah and Patton Oswalt was on 'King of Queens' and for whatever reason people think he's funny.

Nathin Rabin status: still a pale imitation of Elizabeth Wurtzel
 
2012-12-10 08:55:42 PM  
WHY?
 
2012-12-10 09:00:14 PM  
I ignored him until I heard him on Fresh Air (with Terry Gross), and with his interview he gained my respect. I still haven't seen any of his work, but now I might.
 
2012-12-10 09:07:15 PM  
Down low.
 
2012-12-10 09:09:00 PM  
White guys at the AV Club People with taste trying to understand the allure of Tyler Perry?

There, now we're done.
 
2012-12-10 09:10:24 PM  
he makes movies that appeal to certain ethnic and religious groups, and since they aren't often targetted, they always show up and spend their money. its not complicated.
 
2012-12-10 09:12:08 PM  
He is not my taste, but I can see why he is successful. He knows (and makes fun of) his audience mercilessly. But the audience is in on the joke, so it's all right.

And he is a breath of fresh air compared to the Thugs.
 
2012-12-10 09:12:13 PM  
Tyler Perry is the film and television equivalent of James Patterson, cranking out small, digestible chunks of fluff except that he has the advantage of a built-in audience that feels like its been ignored by mainstream Hollywood forever.

Trying to intellectually analyze Tyler Perry is like trying to critique James Patterson or Thomas Kinkade.
 
2012-12-10 09:18:05 PM  
Oh Lerd.
 
2012-12-10 09:21:10 PM  
I keep thinking I'll have time to watch one of his movies but then GI Joe: The Rise of Cobra comes on again.
 
2012-12-10 09:21:30 PM  
and as to why there is a ton of mysogyny in there- he appeals to extremely christian, working class, southern black people. The idea of traditional conservative family systems built around strong men supported by subordinate women in drama's that end with a clear good beating a clear evil is exactly what they want to see.
 
2012-12-10 09:25:19 PM  

rugman11: Tyler Perry is the film and television equivalent of James Patterson, cranking out small, digestible chunks of fluff except that he has the advantage of a built-in audience that feels like its been ignored by mainstream Hollywood forever.

Trying to intellectually analyze Tyler Perry is like trying to critique James Patterson or Thomas Kinkade.


But its hilarious when someone does.

"A Kinkade painting was typically rendered in slightly surreal pastels. It typically featured a cottage or a house of such insistent coziness as to seem actually sinister, suggestive of a trap designed to attract Hansel and Gretel. Every window was lit, to lurid effect, as if the interior of the structure might be on fire." -Essayist Joan Didion
 
2012-12-10 09:29:04 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: I keep thinking I'll have time to watch one of his movies but then GI Joe: The Rise of Cobra comes on again.


imagemacros.files.wordpress.com

/hot
//i actually did watch one of his movies. don't remember the name, but he played that old woman
///that should narrow it down
 
2012-12-10 09:32:14 PM  
img.filmlinks4u.net
 
2012-12-10 09:33:58 PM  
 
2012-12-10 09:44:59 PM  

SineSwiper: Boondocks explains it best


What dont they?
 
2012-12-10 09:45:52 PM  

rugman11: Tyler Perry is the film and television equivalent of James Patterson, cranking out small, digestible chunks of fluff except that he has the advantage of a built-in audience that feels like its been ignored by mainstream Hollywood forever.

Trying to intellectually analyze Tyler Perry is like trying to critique James Patterson or Thomas Kinkade.


Oh yeah, well if Tyler Perry and James Patterson are so bad then explain how Alex Cross turned out to be easily the worst movie of the year?

Oh...oh yeah, that makes sense then.
 
2012-12-10 09:49:05 PM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: Yeah and Patton Oswalt was on 'King of Queens' and for whatever reason people think he's funny.

Nathin Rabin status: still a pale imitation of Elizabeth Wurtzel


Patton Oswalt was on an episode of Burn Notice. i love that show but i hate that little troll. i put up with him up to the point where i saw him on a comedy special where him, that doosh big bird looking arsehole and a tiny dyke comedian were walking along somewhere on the streets of NJ and they had to go there. being as he's a midget i guess he just had to go for the low hanging fruit.

Tyler Perry? yesterday I'm Mom-sitting and the TV is just on in the background. Christmas specials aimed at a black audience. Holy crap, it was like hearing a blend of soap opera and COPS - and this was supposed to be a Christmas special. sure nuff, it was a Tyler Perry. I look forward to the day when there are so many black actors, producers, directors, writers, comedians etcetera that black audiences don't feel they have to show the love for black artists that suck. It's pretty obvious at this time that if you make it up on the stage and you're a brother or sister you're going to get mad props for making it onto the stage regardless of talent and thats just sad.
 
2012-12-10 09:53:12 PM  
why do white boys like doing gay shiat to one another while a victim is passed out?

white boys can't fathom tyler perry.
the rest of the world can't fathom white boy fascination and obsession with homo shiat.
 
2012-12-10 09:54:45 PM  

TheJoe03: [img.filmlinks4u.net image 580x851]


don't front. you watched Ernest Goes To Camp, Ernest Saves Christmas and Ernest Scared Stupid every time it came on cable just like the rest of us.
 
2012-12-10 09:57:17 PM  

tlchwi02: he makes movies that appeal to certain ethnic and religious groups, and since they aren't often targetted, they always show up and spend their money. its not complicated.


qft. Massive untapped market? The first one there makes the big money.

/totally off topic: my film exploring the basement dwelling life of online comment posters will be streaming on netflix next month.
 
2012-12-10 09:58:28 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: don't front. you watched Ernest Goes To Camp, Ernest Saves Christmas and Ernest Scared Stupid every time it came on cable just like the rest of us.


I sure as hell did, posted that picture because Madea movies kind of follow that style.

ExperianScaresCthulhu: white boys can't fathom tyler perry.
the rest of the world can't fathom white boy fascination and obsession with homo shiat.


I agree, Jackass pretty much sums up that whole concept. I must ask though, what's with Hollywood always making movies with block comics dressed as women. I remember Chappelle talking about it.
 
2012-12-10 09:58:34 PM  

KrispyKritter: I look forward to the day when there are so many black actors, producers, directors, writers, comedians etcetera that black audiences don't feel they have to show the love for black artists that suck.


Hasn't helped white folks.
 
2012-12-10 10:20:05 PM  
So... he is kind of the antii-Woody Allen?
 
2012-12-10 10:20:25 PM  
A Tyler Perry movie? Occasionally entertaining. White guys at the AV Club trying to understand the allure of Tyler Perry? Always entertaining
multimedia.billybrew.com

Never.... never is the word you were looking for Subbs

/It's not racist because I am blahhhh
 
2012-12-10 10:24:51 PM  
Kinda spooky that I watched the Funnybot episode of South Park while eating dinner tonight...
 
2012-12-10 10:32:42 PM  
The article makes a good point: Perry panders to a subset that prefers their fiction full of the hope of the world they cannot have where traditional gender roles are not only reinforced but completely unexamined. Which makes the latent homoeroticism within even stranger as it could be read as a conflict: it's okay to be gay, but women who can stand on their own must be utterly destroyed because they lose their humanity. It's backing a system to preach homosexual acceptance while beating down women. It's a very unique robbing Peter to pay Paul. It's just a complex power struggle to get back to an artificial normalcy that really never existed.
 
2012-12-10 10:45:55 PM  
The allure of Tyler Perry is similar to the popularity of Christian Rock. It's popular, it's sold everywhere, but you've never met a person who listens to it.
 
2012-12-10 11:26:33 PM  
Perry Movie I rather see.

n7ugc.disney.go.com
 
2012-12-11 12:23:58 AM  
Queue the guy who has to mention how nobody understands the brilliance of the "Chitlin' Circuit" - in ever single farking Tyler Perry thread.
 
2012-12-11 12:29:36 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: why do white boys like doing gay shiat to one another while a victim is passed out?

white boys can't fathom tyler perry.
the rest of the world can't fathom white boy fascination and obsession with homo shiat.


What the hell am I reading...?
 
2012-12-11 12:32:23 AM  

TheJoe03: ... I must ask though, what's with Hollywood always making movies with block comics dressed as women. I remember Chappelle talking about it.


More importantly, why do so many people go to see them? Weren't those Big Momma movies always #1 at the box office?
 
2012-12-11 12:54:42 AM  

Guntram Shatterhand: The article makes a good point: Perry panders to a subset that prefers their fiction full of the hope of the world they cannot have where traditional gender roles are not only reinforced but completely unexamined. Which makes the latent homoeroticism within even stranger as it could be read as a conflict: it's okay to be gay, but women who can stand on their own must be utterly destroyed because they lose their humanity. It's backing a system to preach homosexual acceptance while beating down women. It's a very unique robbing Peter to pay Paul. It's just a complex power struggle to get back to an artificial normalcy that really never existed.


WTF are you talking about. Tyler Perry movies and shows are nothing but family comidies. That's it that's all.
 
2012-12-11 12:59:35 AM  

KrispyKritter: SockMonkeyHolocaust: Yeah and Patton Oswalt was on 'King of Queens' and for whatever reason people think he's funny.

Nathin Rabin status: still a pale imitation of Elizabeth Wurtzel

Patton Oswalt was on an episode of Burn Notice. i love that show but i hate that little troll. i put up with him up to the point where i saw him on a comedy special where him, that doosh big bird looking arsehole and a tiny dyke comedian were walking along somewhere on the streets of NJ and they had to go there. being as he's a midget i guess he just had to go for the low hanging fruit.


HIs comedy is hit-or-miss with me, but Patton Oswalt is actually a pretty good dramatic actor. I'm surprised he didn't get any award nominations for "Big Fan."

Guess it must be the Denis Leary thing where he gives a good performance as long as he's not constantly trying to be funny.
 
2012-12-11 01:11:26 AM  
Pro-tip white people your little snowflakes are ones keeping rappers and Tyler Perry rich. If you really think Jamal from the hood uses the credit card his parents gave him to load up his iPhone with legit Jay-Z tracks you're dead wrong.
/I know it's hard to imagine your college aged daughter out getting her guts pushed in by some big black buck while humming B.I.G on his friend cock.
\Ducks
 
2012-12-11 01:19:28 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Pro-tip white people your little snowflakes are ones keeping rappers and Tyler Perry rich. If you really think Jamal from the hood uses the credit card his parents gave him to load up his iPhone with legit Jay-Z tracks you're dead wrong.
/I know it's hard to imagine your college aged daughter out getting her guts pushed in by some big black buck while humming B.I.G on his friend cock.
\Ducks


0/10. Even racist mandingophiles aren't dumb enough to believe Tyler Perry has a huge white audience.
 
2012-12-11 01:58:15 AM  

stoli n coke: drjekel_mrhyde: Pro-tip white people your little snowflakes are ones keeping rappers and Tyler Perry rich. If you really think Jamal from the hood uses the credit card his parents gave him to load up his iPhone with legit Jay-Z tracks you're dead wrong.
/I know it's hard to imagine your college aged daughter out getting her guts pushed in by some big black buck while humming B.I.G on his friend cock.
\Ducks

0/10. Even racist mandingophiles aren't dumb enough to believe Tyler Perry has a huge white audience.


But seriously white males pay more attention to him than most blacks males due to TV ads during CoCo. I have never seen one of his movies but I did watch a few TV shows when bored.
/Those few shows I saw are much better than the garbage they show on so called "educational networks"
 
2012-12-11 02:18:15 AM  

rugman11: Trying to intellectually analyze Tyler Perry is like trying to critique James Patterson or Thomas Kinkade.


Painter of Trite. Mass-produced, feather-lite fluff, designed for collection plates, calendars and nursing homes. Warm, cozy, idyllic, pastoral - scenery so perfect and so effervescent that it's overkill. Especially when you realize how many of these he ran off the assembly line over the years. They're all the same, each one a carbon copy of the others, in form, style and composition. The more he churned out, the more they felt like parody to the point where they transcended their own uplifting warmth to invert into something ironic and disturbing. Salvador Dali would have considered Kinkade's entire body of work to be a masterpiece of sentimental absurdism.

That Kinkade wanted to capture idealism while at the same time violating basic principles of physics and lighting is a good metaphor for what's wrong with his work: It's so insincere that it's offensive to real life. Despite objects ranging from fifty feet to fifty miles away, there is no depth. Everything is a flat, multi-tonal, highlighted stroke of the same brush, betraying real perspective. There is a limited range of colors and everything is in focus. Where is the light reflecting off the snow coming from? Why does the interior of every cottage look like it is on fire? And who really lives in cottages anymore, anyway?

This is a guy claiming to be doing God's work and according to him God is safe, boring, and only just barely aesthetically pleasing. The pinnacle of mediocrity. And you just know that in an alternate Universe there was a Thomas Kinkade who didn't quite make it as an artist so he started World War III instead.

/there, how'd I do?
 
2012-12-11 03:22:53 AM  
byron allen is the new tyler perry. anyone ever seen 'the first family?'

perry produces preachy nonsense. slight exception for 'are we there yet?' terry crews is brilliant and the token white dude is the same white dude from the chapelle's show parody of the real world. it's watchable.
 
2012-12-11 03:28:57 AM  
upon closer inspection, are we there yet has nothing to do with tyler perry
 
2012-12-11 04:29:44 AM  
God damn, even Patton Oswalt hit Fark critical mass. Shiatballs.
 
2012-12-11 06:22:44 AM  
"why do white boys like doing gay shiat to one another while a victim is passed out?"

2/10

But I liked the racist approached. Next time flip it around though, no one cares about white people.
 
2012-12-11 06:57:27 AM  

TheLopper: God damn, even Patton Oswalt hit Fark critical mass. Shiatballs.


For all the Oswalt haters, one word- Ratatouille. Now shut your faces.
 
2012-12-11 07:05:57 AM  

TheLopper: God damn, even Patton Oswalt hit Fark critical mass. Shiatballs.


Like Zach Galifinakis and Louis C.K. before him, Patton committed the Fark cardinal sin of taking jobs that actually paid well instead of just spending the next 30 years playing clubs attended only by 3 farkers and their imaginary girlfriends.
 
2012-12-11 07:22:46 AM  
It's not just because you can talk as loud as you want in the theater and not miss much action in the film?
 
2012-12-11 08:00:35 AM  
LOL @ Patton Oswalt hate. I liked him in that rat movie, but then again I didn't have to bear his acting or listen to anything he wrote.

KrispyKritter: Tyler Perry? yesterday I'm Mom-sitting and the TV is just on in the background. Christmas specials aimed at a black audience. Holy crap, it was like hearing a blend of soap opera and COPS - and this was supposed to be a Christmas special. sure nuff, it was a Tyler Perry. I look forward to the day when there are so many black actors, producers, directors, writers, comedians etcetera that black audiences don't feel they have to show the love for black artists that suck. It's pretty obvious at this time that if you make it up on the stage and you're a brother or sister you're going to get mad props for making it onto the stage regardless of talent and thats just sad.


I agree with this. Tyler Perry is showing people that they can create their own entertainment outside of what Hollywood says that is allowable. That with just a little bit of money and a few flyers, it's possible to create art and have that art appeal to a wider audience. Since it's just him, his work is uneven and his musical stuff needs an arranger, but the kids coming after him is going to produce some amazing stuff.
 
2012-12-11 08:12:07 AM  
AV Club manages to be snobs about the oddest things. You wouldn't think there could be such a thing as a gangster rap snob, but behold, Nathan Rabin, inventor of the Manic Pixie Dream Girl trope name.
 
2012-12-11 08:25:17 AM  

stoli n coke: TheLopper: God damn, even Patton Oswalt hit Fark critical mass. Shiatballs.

Like Zach Galifinakis and Louis C.K. before him, Patton committed the Fark cardinal sin of taking jobs that actually paid well instead of just spending the next 30 years playing clubs attended only by 3 farkers and their imaginary girlfriends.


I have one issue with Patton Oswalt, as well as David Cross, who also does this a lot. If they make a mainstream, crappy movie for a big paycheck, then it's okay, but if anyone else does it, then they're horrible, awful people who should be skinned alive, and have their wounds covered in sand.

I could even stomach that hypocrisy to a point, except both Oswalt and Cross make these kind of jokes a lot, and nerdy elitism informs a lot of their acts. It's kind of the basis for them, really. So whenever either of them go off on how Larry the Cable guy is the cancer of comedy, I think of King of Queens or Alvin in the Chipmunks, and make a jack-off motion in the air.
 
2012-12-11 08:30:02 AM  

verbaltoxin: stoli n coke: TheLopper: God damn, even Patton Oswalt hit Fark critical mass. Shiatballs.

Like Zach Galifinakis and Louis C.K. before him, Patton committed the Fark cardinal sin of taking jobs that actually paid well instead of just spending the next 30 years playing clubs attended only by 3 farkers and their imaginary girlfriends.

I have one issue with Patton Oswalt, as well as David Cross, who also does this a lot. If they make a mainstream, crappy movie for a big paycheck, then it's okay, but if anyone else does it, then they're horrible, awful people who should be skinned alive, and have their wounds covered in sand.

I could even stomach that hypocrisy to a point, except both Oswalt and Cross make these kind of jokes a lot, and nerdy elitism informs a lot of their acts. It's kind of the basis for them, really. So whenever either of them go off on how Larry the Cable guy is the cancer of comedy, I think of King of Queens or Alvin in the Chipmunks, and make a jack-off motion in the air.


Larry the Cable guy is a cancer of comedy because he isn't funny. He's a midwestern Seinfeld wannabe who couldn't hack it, so he slapped on the equivalent of redneck blackface.
 
2012-12-11 08:42:02 AM  
This article pretty much sums up why I don't like Tyler Perry's movies.
http://clatl.com/atlanta/andisheh-nouraees-diary-of-a-confused-beige- m an/Content?oid=1272561

/am black, male, hetrosexual
//ain't in his demographic
///would probably be the antagonist in his movies
////admires is hustle though
 
2012-12-11 09:09:35 AM  

stoli n coke: verbaltoxin: stoli n coke: TheLopper: God damn, even Patton Oswalt hit Fark critical mass. Shiatballs.

Like Zach Galifinakis and Louis C.K. before him, Patton committed the Fark cardinal sin of taking jobs that actually paid well instead of just spending the next 30 years playing clubs attended only by 3 farkers and their imaginary girlfriends.

I have one issue with Patton Oswalt, as well as David Cross, who also does this a lot. If they make a mainstream, crappy movie for a big paycheck, then it's okay, but if anyone else does it, then they're horrible, awful people who should be skinned alive, and have their wounds covered in sand.

I could even stomach that hypocrisy to a point, except both Oswalt and Cross make these kind of jokes a lot, and nerdy elitism informs a lot of their acts. It's kind of the basis for them, really. So whenever either of them go off on how Larry the Cable guy is the cancer of comedy, I think of King of Queens or Alvin in the Chipmunks, and make a jack-off motion in the air.

Larry the Cable guy is a cancer of comedy because he isn't funny. He's a midwestern Seinfeld wannabe who couldn't hack it, so he slapped on the equivalent of redneck blackface.


Not my point. What I said was David Cross and Patton Oswalt are okay with taking crappy jobs for money, but then skewer Larry for doing Delta Farce. Of course Larry is going to do Delta Farce, that comedy is in his wheelhouse. But unlike Oswalt and Cross, Larry doesn't turn right around, head out to the comedy circuit and talk sh*t about everyone he worked with on Delta Farce while his audience howls in haughty laughter. Oswalt and Cross do, and in fact a huge part of their act is showing off how two-faced and egotistical they are.
 
2012-12-11 09:11:42 AM  

Ishkur: rugman11: Trying to intellectually analyze Tyler Perry is like trying to critique James Patterson or Thomas Kinkade.

Painter of Trite. Mass-produced, feather-lite fluff, designed for collection plates, calendars and nursing homes. Warm, cozy, idyllic, pastoral - scenery so perfect and so effervescent that it's overkill. Especially when you realize how many of these he ran off the assembly line over the years. They're all the same, each one a carbon copy of the others, in form, style and composition. The more he churned out, the more they felt like parody to the point where they transcended their own uplifting warmth to invert into something ironic and disturbing. Salvador Dali would have considered Kinkade's entire body of work to be a masterpiece of sentimental absurdism.

That Kinkade wanted to capture idealism while at the same time violating basic principles of physics and lighting is a good metaphor for what's wrong with his work: It's so insincere that it's offensive to real life. Despite objects ranging from fifty feet to fifty miles away, there is no depth. Everything is a flat, multi-tonal, highlighted stroke of the same brush, betraying real perspective. There is a limited range of colors and everything is in focus. Where is the light reflecting off the snow coming from? Why does the interior of every cottage look like it is on fire? And who really lives in cottages anymore, anyway?

This is a guy claiming to be doing God's work and according to him God is safe, boring, and only just barely aesthetically pleasing. The pinnacle of mediocrity. And you just know that in an alternate Universe there was a Thomas Kinkade who didn't quite make it as an artist so he started World War III instead.

/there, how'd I do?


I like it. Crypto-Godwinned!
 
2012-12-11 09:12:53 AM  
Now that I've reexplained my point, I'll add that I still like both David Cross' and Patton Oswalt's jokes for the most part. I like their skewerings of pop culture and politics. Both are also unafraid to tell jokes about times they've made asses of themselves too.

Last thing: Ratatouille was hardly the worst thing Patton Oswalt ever did. No that would be the Heart She Hollar.
 
2012-12-11 09:22:14 AM  
I don't think anyone can say that Tyler Perry isn't a hard-working sonofabiatch. It's kind of interesting to see how far hard work can get you in the absence of talent. Which is interesting, because talent is often what prevents people from engaging in that kind of hard work; it's like they feel entitled to success simply because they're good enough, without considering the competition.
 
2012-12-11 09:23:28 AM  

Guntram Shatterhand: The article makes a good point: Perry panders to a subset that prefers their fiction full of the hope of the world they cannot have where traditional gender roles are not only reinforced but completely unexamined. Which makes the latent homoeroticism within even stranger as it could be read as a conflict: it's okay to be gay, but women who can stand on their own must be utterly destroyed because they lose their humanity. It's backing a system to preach homosexual acceptance while beating down women. It's a very unique robbing Peter to pay Paul. It's just a complex power struggle to get back to an artificial normalcy that really never existed.


I'm sure the "Angry Black Woman" blog has something to say about this.
 
2012-12-11 02:54:14 PM  
From what I've seen, his movies and plays come down to the same schmaltzy point: "We are family and no matter what we know God is on our side."

Trite, simple-minded, and pandering. If I were Black, I'd insist on something a little less condescending, but then, I'm sort of white and I don't understand why anybody pays to watch Transformers movies, either. I guess some people like movies and entertainment that treats them like they're simple.

But then, what do I know? I think the pinnacles of Black filmmaking are "The Brother From Another Planet", "Black Dynamite", "Undercover Brother", "Blacula", and "Breakin'".

Okay... So "Breakin'" isn't really a Black film. It's more like a whitebread take on early 80s Black culture. But I can't get enough of Lucinda Dickey. Why didn't she make more movies? "Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo" and "Ninja 3" don't count.

Where was I? Oh, yeah... Actually, I always liked Purple Rain. Preachy, but good. And I think "Harlem Nights" is a great flick.

I just think it's possible to make a movie aimed at the Black community without getting all preachy and "God loves us". I still cannot understand how a people who were forced into slavery because of an adherence to the Bible (which explicitly instructs believers to engage in slavery) could come around to believe and adore the very book that endorsed and enabled their enslavement. I'm not Black, but I think that if I were, and I were inclined to be religious, I'd feel a lot better being a something besides Christian. It just seems like the Black community (and especially Tyler Perry) forgot that it was the Christian God that told white folks:

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

How can you reconcile being descended from slaves, and then embracing a religion in which slavery is a central belief? Slavery is endorsed, promoted, and encouraged by God. The Bible tells you who you can enslave (anyone from a foreign land), how to treat them (you may rape them, and strike them without killing them), and how to punish them (Jesus says it's good to beat your slaves if they are Christian and don't obey their Christian masters).

I'm not trying to be controversial here. I just really don't get it! It seems to me that being Black and embracing Christianity is kind of like being Jewish and joining the Klan. Is this a widespread version of Stockholm syndrome? Is it willfully ignoring the facts in favor of a new, more acceptable fantasy? What makes it okay for people who were enslaved to cling so tightly to the religion that endorsed that slavery?

I'm sure there's no easy answer to this, but I've been genuinely confused about this aspect of African American culture. Why the deep love for the Christian God? It just makes no damned sense to me.

/Native American & Welsh. I will never profess love for General George Custer or Christopher Columbus.
//I'd certainly never worship them.
///And Daniel Boone can go f♥ck himself, too.
 
2012-12-11 03:07:23 PM  

Ishkur: rugman11: Trying to intellectually analyze Tyler Perry is like trying to critique James Patterson or Thomas Kinkade.

Painter of Trite. Mass-produced, feather-lite fluff, designed for collection plates, calendars and nursing homes. Warm, cozy, idyllic, pastoral - scenery so perfect and so effervescent that it's overkill. Especially when you realize how many of these he ran off the assembly line over the years. They're all the same, each one a carbon copy of the others, in form, style and composition. The more he churned out, the more they felt like parody to the point where they transcended their own uplifting warmth to invert into something ironic and disturbing. Salvador Dali would have considered Kinkade's entire body of work to be a masterpiece of sentimental absurdism.

That Kinkade wanted to capture idealism while at the same time violating basic principles of physics and lighting is a good metaphor for what's wrong with his work: It's so insincere that it's offensive to real life. Despite objects ranging from fifty feet to fifty miles away, there is no depth. Everything is a flat, multi-tonal, highlighted stroke of the same brush, betraying real perspective. There is a limited range of colors and everything is in focus. Where is the light reflecting off the snow coming from? Why does the interior of every cottage look like it is on fire? And who really lives in cottages anymore, anyway?

This is a guy claiming to be doing God's work and according to him God is safe, boring, and only just barely aesthetically pleasing. The pinnacle of mediocrity. And you just know that in an alternate Universe there was a Thomas Kinkade who didn't quite make it as an artist so he started World War III instead.

/there, how'd I do?


That was awesome.

I'd love to see Kinkade as the leader of the Fourth Reich. That would be entertaining in an absurd, black comedy kind of way.

And I agree. His work was treacle pie.
 
2012-12-11 03:10:56 PM  

boogerwolf: This article pretty much sums up why I don't like Tyler Perry's movies.
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I think this commenter on that article sums it up for me.

Black man here (seems like one always has to do the racial disclaimer in these situations). Anywho, unlike almost all of my friends and associates, I LOATHE anything with Tyler Perry's name or moniker attached to it. Perhaps it is the mindnumbing manner by which he panders to his female audience. Possibly it is his cookie cutter moralism that sends mixed messages about gender roles in Black America. Mayhaps it is his refusal to do anything NEW, fresh, exciting, or challenging instead opting for the kind of head-nodding affirmation that is full of simplistic cultural signifiers and light on any remote kind of intellectual engagement. Possibly I cannot stand thelack of nuance or sophistication in anything that Mr. Perry passes off as "humor." Mayhaps I am completely turned off by Mr. Perry's incessant suggestion that Black women can be neither complete nor fulfilled unless they have "the love of a good man." Whatever it is either singularly or in any combination, Tyler Perry's work is the epitome of mediocrity and creative laziness that infects so much of what passes for Black culture today.
 
2012-12-11 03:11:02 PM  

Wayne 985: TheJoe03: ... I must ask though, what's with Hollywood always making movies with block comics dressed as women. I remember Chappelle talking about it.

More importantly, why do so many people go to see them? Weren't those Big Momma movies always #1 at the box office?


White Chicks did okay, too.

And I'm sorry, but if someone made a movie today in which two barely-funny white guys dress up as stereotypical Black girls, there would be cries for blood.

Now, on the other hand, Hollywood got away with this in the 80s:

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So I retract my complaint about "White Chicks".
 
2012-12-11 03:59:36 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: why do white boys like doing gay shiat to one another while a victim is passed out?

white boys can't fathom tyler perry.
the rest of the world can't fathom white boy fascination and obsession with homo shiat.


That's only a subset of white guys. There's a subset of black guys whole like a lot of that homo shiat.

what, was that the joke of your post here?
 
2012-12-11 04:36:39 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: That's only a subset of white guys. There's a subset of black guys whole like a lot of that homo shiat.

what, was that the joke of your post here?


I think it was about this.
 
2012-12-11 06:51:40 PM  

KrispyKritter: SockMonkeyHolocaust: Yeah and Patton Oswalt was on 'King of Queens' and for whatever reason people think he's funny.

Nathin Rabin status: still a pale imitation of Elizabeth Wurtzel

Patton Oswalt was on an episode of Burn Notice. i love that show but i hate that little troll. i put up with him up to the point where i saw him on a comedy special where him, that doosh big bird looking arsehole and a tiny dyke comedian were walking along somewhere on the streets of NJ and they had to go there. being as he's a midget i guess he just had to go for the low hanging fruit.

Tyler Perry? yesterday I'm Mom-sitting and the TV is just on in the background. Christmas specials aimed at a black audience. Holy crap, it was like hearing a blend of soap opera and COPS - and this was supposed to be a Christmas special. sure nuff, it was a Tyler Perry. I look forward to the day when there are so many black actors, producers, directors, writers, comedians etcetera that black audiences don't feel they have to show the love for black artists that suck. It's pretty obvious at this time that if you make it up on the stage and you're a brother or sister you're going to get mad props for making it onto the stage regardless of talent and thats just sad.


It's sad, and it's why we have Obummer as president. Some people like things that suck simply because they have the same color skin. If Fartbongo had been white he would never have gotten elected.
 
2012-12-11 07:07:18 PM  

Ravage: If Fartbongo had been white he would never have gotten elected.


Any Democrat would have been elected in 08 dummy. The joke is that Bush was so bad that he made America ready for a black president, ANY president, that wasn't a shiatty neo-con Republican dick.
 
2012-12-11 07:46:12 PM  

TheJoe03: Ravage: If Fartbongo had been white he would never have gotten elected.

Any Democrat would have been elected in 08 dummy. The joke is that Bush was so bad that he made America ready for a black president, ANY president, that wasn't a shiatty neo-con Republican dick.


The real joke is that people think there's a difference between democrats and republicans. HAHAHA!
 
2012-12-11 09:30:46 PM  

Honest Bender: The real joke is that people think there's a difference between democrats and republicans. HAHAHA!


Both part of the same shiatty system but there's definitely a difference. Sure the Democrats started acting like Republicans but in turn the Republicans started acting like the National Front.
 
2012-12-11 10:18:11 PM  
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2012-12-12 12:18:27 AM  
Just came by to say that I'm quite happy that I'm not alone in my dislike for Patton Oswalt.

/Can't stand his voice. Sounds like his balls never dropped.
 
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