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(Inquisitr)   The "Mayan Apocalypse" is ancient prophecy, if by "ancient" you mean "from the 1970s" and if by "prophecy" you mean "shroom trip"   (inquisitr.com) divider line 38
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2012-12-10 08:59:59 PM
4 votes:
So, it's like the Book of Revelation?
2012-12-10 08:49:18 PM
4 votes:
I thought it had more to do with the Shadowrun game than anything else
2012-12-11 01:27:37 AM
2 votes:
Terrence McKenna would be ROFL'ing in his grave if he could hear the furor today over his theories. That man was a lunatic, but boy was he an entertaining writer.

When McKenna developed the time wave zero theory, he was playing around with the I Ching and fractal mathematics . McKenna made a linear graph of changes in the 64 I Ching hexagrams, then repeatedly applied the function to itself until he had a long, jagged, sprawling pattern. Since fractals tend to repeat themselves at different magnifications, he decided that this graph should be applied to all of human history and represent the "introduction of novelty into the world."

McKenna then proceed to assign various historical events to the various peaks and valleys into order to make sense of human history. When he did this, the tail end of the function crossed the zero axis in December 2012. (Or maybe he started at the endpoint and retrofit everything else.)

Like some of his other ideas, that is an amazing, mind-expanding, and completely ludicrous theory. And it's even more entertaining now that half the world is running around wondering if the world is actually about to end.
2012-12-11 01:18:14 AM
2 votes:

demonfaerie: In Precolumbian or Central Mexico or hell even South America, they pretty much had 3 basic calendars. 1. The 260 day almanac and that had to do with pregnancies and how to name children. 2. the 365 day calendar or the solar calendar. 3. The Long Count calendar is the one that everyone says the world is going to end. In the calendar there are glyphs depicting large or short periods of times. The calendar also speaks of certain dates as well. Each date represented something of a beginning or an end of an era. The last date is when people think the world will end. Actually it is the calendar most likely resetting itself to start a new period of time, and thus a celebration needs to happen. I don't have my notes with me on the calendar, but I am pretty sure one of the days or periods of time deals with a King.


Pretty much this.

The 260 day calendar was the lunar one; the 365 day was the solar. The Long Count was the 3d one. Each baktun or "sun" was when all three calendars hit zero at the same time. According to Mayan cosmology, there have been four previous baktuns and we're in the fifth; this Fifth Sun is due to end and all three calendars are going to hit zero on December 21, 2012 (or June, if you believe the leap year thingy--it doesn't really matter).

The main reason for all the excitement wasn't that it was the "end of the world"--it wasn't--it was that the three calendars resetting at the same time only happens once in some insane length of time--on the order of tens of thousands of years. For a culture as obsessed with numerology as the Mayans, that was going to be a major thing. Also, the Fifth Sun was the one that hadn't happened yet. There had been four in ancient history, they had happened, but the Fifth Sun was the one coming up. So it was prophecy, not history, hence, exciting. Kind of like next year's solar eclipse is more interesting than last year's, you know?
2012-12-10 10:20:57 PM
2 votes:

socoloco: It's amazing the level of shiat religious whack jobs and new agers leap to because they so desperately want the world to end. They are all death cults. Jews, Christians, Muslims, New Agers just froth at the mouth over messiahs, imams and "masters" to destroy the world.

You're all a bunch of sick farks. Just my opinion, don't take it personally. You need to get a farking hobby or become gainfully employed to a degree that makes you responsible for helping make the world a better place.

Religion is the science of pulling bullshiat out of your ass to force down people's throats.


Most New Agers historically haven't seen the end of the Mayan calendar as a doomsday event. Those who believe it has some real meaning usually interpret it as the date of some kind of worldwide spiritual awakening. You know, New Agey stuff.

The idea of 12/21/2012 as the end of the world didn't really take off until the movie "2012" came out and The History Channel did a few so-called "documentaries" on the Mayan calendar.
2012-12-10 09:20:01 PM
2 votes:
It's amazing the level of shiat religious whack jobs and new agers leap to because they so desperately want the world to end. They are all death cults. Jews, Christians, Muslims, New Agers just froth at the mouth over messiahs, imams and "masters" to destroy the world.

You're all a bunch of sick farks. Just my opinion, don't take it personally. You need to get a farking hobby or become gainfully employed to a degree that makes you responsible for helping make the world a better place.

Religion is the science of pulling bullshiat out of your ass to force down people's throats.
2012-12-10 09:08:30 PM
2 votes:

KiwDaWabbit: So, it's like the Book of Revelation?


Yep, and the Quran, and the Vedas and the Tale of Taliesin: manufactured mythology.
2012-12-11 09:33:23 PM
1 votes:

Gdalescrboz: The Mayan prophecy is real. The only issue is that we are viewing the dates wrong. The Mayan's never accounted for a leap year, so in reality the end of the world is going to happen this coming June.

And you didn't account for our switch to the Gregorian calendar from the Julian calendar. We still have 7 years


No, this isn't true!! The Long Count counts 1 actual day for every day that passes regardless of what our calendar says. If it's 100 days, it's 100 days, even if there is a leap day or a calendar change or if you use the Hebrew calendar or the Chinese one. I don't know who started this "Mayans don't use leap years so the prophecy is wrong" thing--#1 there is no prophecy-- #2 leap years are irrelevant.
What is happening is, 12/20 is the last day of Baktun 12. A baktun is a unit of time approximately 400 of our years. On 12/21 Baktun 13 begins. The baktun count goes up to 19 and even then it doesn't end, it goes to Pictun 1.

I have written a variety of books on the subject, so yeah I am a bit of an expert.

//the closest thing to "prophecy" in the Long Count calendar of the Maya concerns the Katuns, the 20 year units.
2012-12-11 01:08:51 PM
1 votes:

DjangoStonereaver: Jon iz teh kewl: DjangoStonereaver: MBooda: doglover: Their callander has base 20 and base 18 units parts.


Mmmm......

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Apocalyptic pot pie....

the apocalyptic spaghetti is pretty good too

But this is best of all:

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The pot pie sounded better. Do they use Acapulco Gold or what?
2012-12-11 01:50:20 AM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: demonfaerie: In Precolumbian or Central Mexico or hell even South America, they pretty much had 3 basic calendars. 1. The 260 day almanac and that had to do with pregnancies and how to name children. 2. the 365 day calendar or the solar calendar. 3. The Long Count calendar is the one that everyone says the world is going to end. In the calendar there are glyphs depicting large or short periods of times. The calendar also speaks of certain dates as well. Each date represented something of a beginning or an end of an era. The last date is when people think the world will end. Actually it is the calendar most likely resetting itself to start a new period of time, and thus a celebration needs to happen. I don't have my notes with me on the calendar, but I am pretty sure one of the days or periods of time deals with a King.

Pretty much this.

The 260 day calendar was the lunar one; the 365 day was the solar. The Long Count was the 3d one. Each baktun or "sun" was when all three calendars hit zero at the same time. According to Mayan cosmology, there have been four previous baktuns and we're in the fifth; this Fifth Sun is due to end and all three calendars are going to hit zero on December 21, 2012 (or June, if you believe the leap year thingy--it doesn't really matter).

The main reason for all the excitement wasn't that it was the "end of the world"--it wasn't--it was that the three calendars resetting at the same time only happens once in some insane length of time--on the order of tens of thousands of years. For a culture as obsessed with numerology as the Mayans, that was going to be a major thing. Also, the Fifth Sun was the one that hadn't happened yet. There had been four in ancient history, they had happened, but the Fifth Sun was the one coming up. So it was prophecy, not history, hence, exciting. Kind of like next year's solar eclipse is more interesting than last year's, you know?


Well you know it's the end of the world as we know it and the beginning of the sixth baktun just isn't as catchy : )
2012-12-11 12:35:47 AM
1 votes:

demonfaerie: blueviking: demonfaerie: blueviking: I want to say the sting-ray and sharks' teeth were the Mayans...but, it's been years since my classes.

I am take a central Mexico Precolumbian art class right now, and I think you might be right, but I do know Aztecs had shark body parts as burried offerings on the Tlaloc side of the Temple Mayor. Want to look up something real interesting? Look up Huitzilopotchli, and how he came out of his dying mother to kill his sister, and like 400 of his brothers or something like that. He just came right out of her fully grown with armor. Basically his siblings thought their mother was a slut, and wanted her dead. She had like hundreds of kids. Huitzilopotchli basically killed his sister, dismembered her, and through her body down the steps. So for that reason Aztecs did that as a ritual by killing people and throwing them down a massive flight of steps. The Aztecs were pretty farked up compared to other Precolumbian cultures.

Heh, I remember the story of Coatlicue and Coyolxauhqui, farked up stuff, agreed.

I still think the best god they had was Tlaloc, he was basically the god of water and lightning, and had this paradise world for the lower class people or people who died from what he was associated with. Also a lot of his depictions made kind of look like this crazy laid back surfer stoner guy.


There's some funky ones of him on deviantart, as though the originals weren't trippy enough.
2012-12-11 12:15:42 AM
1 votes:

blueviking: demonfaerie: blueviking: I want to say the sting-ray and sharks' teeth were the Mayans...but, it's been years since my classes.

I am take a central Mexico Precolumbian art class right now, and I think you might be right, but I do know Aztecs had shark body parts as burried offerings on the Tlaloc side of the Temple Mayor. Want to look up something real interesting? Look up Huitzilopotchli, and how he came out of his dying mother to kill his sister, and like 400 of his brothers or something like that. He just came right out of her fully grown with armor. Basically his siblings thought their mother was a slut, and wanted her dead. She had like hundreds of kids. Huitzilopotchli basically killed his sister, dismembered her, and through her body down the steps. So for that reason Aztecs did that as a ritual by killing people and throwing them down a massive flight of steps. The Aztecs were pretty farked up compared to other Precolumbian cultures.

Heh, I remember the story of Coatlicue and Coyolxauhqui, farked up stuff, agreed.


I still think the best god they had was Tlaloc, he was basically the god of water and lightning, and had this paradise world for the lower class people or people who died from what he was associated with. Also a lot of his depictions made kind of look like this crazy laid back surfer stoner guy.
2012-12-11 12:13:55 AM
1 votes:

tinfoil-hat maggie: This has turned into a fascinating discussion, damn I love fark sometimes : )


It is, and I love it when on Fark people listen. I keep telling people that the world isn't ending, and they basically think I am full of shiat. I am taking a class about Precolumbian art right now, and we had to learn the calendar. My prof told me this book, and I totally forgot the name, that we should look up. I will have to ask her tomorrow about it. He is like the go to guy for science with Mayan stuff. Basically during that day everyone needs to party, but not because it's going to be the end of the world, but because that's when the Mayans wanted to party.
2012-12-11 12:04:18 AM
1 votes:

demonfaerie: blueviking: I want to say the sting-ray and sharks' teeth were the Mayans...but, it's been years since my classes.

I am take a central Mexico Precolumbian art class right now, and I think you might be right, but I do know Aztecs had shark body parts as burried offerings on the Tlaloc side of the Temple Mayor. Want to look up something real interesting? Look up Huitzilopotchli, and how he came out of his dying mother to kill his sister, and like 400 of his brothers or something like that. He just came right out of her fully grown with armor. Basically his siblings thought their mother was a slut, and wanted her dead. She had like hundreds of kids. Huitzilopotchli basically killed his sister, dismembered her, and through her body down the steps. So for that reason Aztecs did that as a ritual by killing people and throwing them down a massive flight of steps. The Aztecs were pretty farked up compared to other Precolumbian cultures.


Heh, I remember the story of Coatlicue and Coyolxauhqui, farked up stuff, agreed.
2012-12-10 11:56:39 PM
1 votes:

blueviking: tinfoil-hat maggie: demonfaerie: tinfoil-hat maggie: demonfaerie: blueviking: tinfoil-hat maggie: demonfaerie: MBooda: The 21st of December
That day I'll always remember, yes I will
Cause that is the day, that Mayan Calendars die
I never got a chance to see 'em
Never heard nothin' but bad things about 'em
Momma I'm depending on you, to tell me the truth
Momma just hung her head and said, son
Calendar's a rolling stone...
[theyugas.com image 300x284]

That is the Aztec calendar stone, and that has to do with the sun being reborn and the world ending and starting anew. The Mayan calendar talks about different dates and actually the date that everyone keeps talking about is really the calendar resetting. Basically there should be a ritual party rather than the world ending. Aztec and Mayans might have some similar gods and customs, but are still very different.

I'm all in favor of parties and bon fires on the winter solstice.

Kegger going on at my place....

If you guys want the true Mayan affect of parties you need a ritual sacrifice or some blood letting.

Isn't that Aztec I don't remember my mesoamerican history so well.

I think that it's both, all cultures in the Precolumbian world had some sort of sacrifice or bloodletting. I think the Aztecs just did it more, and the Mayans I think just did it with people they captured, and not went out of their way to do it. Also I think the Mayans might of done more bloodletting than sacrificing itself. I know in Chibcha art they used a lot of ornamenting of items with skulls, and had skull racks for their ball games. I think the Mayans did as well. Also I looked up in my awesome Illustrated Dictionary of the Gods and Symbols of Ancient Mexico and the Maya, they Mayans did use bloodletting, and used Obsidian knives to do it. I think the men did the blood letting through their ears, and the women their tongues. That I am not sure, and I do know that men and women had different body parts to do the blood letting, and I am pre ...


Yup, and each nation or city had their own interpretation of it. They are actual reports that some cultures like the Mayans, actually didn't really do that many human sacrificing as people assumed. I think the Aztecs are the ones that really outdid it. Their damn nation started by getting chased out into a marsh area, because the King's daughter was killed and skinned so the Priest or Shaman could do this ritual.
2012-12-10 11:53:51 PM
1 votes:

blueviking: I want to say the sting-ray and sharks' teeth were the Mayans...but, it's been years since my classes.


I am take a central Mexico Precolumbian art class right now, and I think you might be right, but I do know Aztecs had shark body parts as burried offerings on the Tlaloc side of the Temple Mayor. Want to look up something real interesting? Look up Huitzilopotchli, and how he came out of his dying mother to kill his sister, and like 400 of his brothers or something like that. He just came right out of her fully grown with armor. Basically his siblings thought their mother was a slut, and wanted her dead. She had like hundreds of kids. Huitzilopotchli basically killed his sister, dismembered her, and through her body down the steps. So for that reason Aztecs did that as a ritual by killing people and throwing them down a massive flight of steps. The Aztecs were pretty farked up compared to other Precolumbian cultures.
2012-12-10 11:51:40 PM
1 votes:

tinfoil-hat maggie: demonfaerie: tinfoil-hat maggie: demonfaerie: blueviking: tinfoil-hat maggie: demonfaerie: MBooda: The 21st of December
That day I'll always remember, yes I will
Cause that is the day, that Mayan Calendars die
I never got a chance to see 'em
Never heard nothin' but bad things about 'em
Momma I'm depending on you, to tell me the truth
Momma just hung her head and said, son
Calendar's a rolling stone...
[theyugas.com image 300x284]

That is the Aztec calendar stone, and that has to do with the sun being reborn and the world ending and starting anew. The Mayan calendar talks about different dates and actually the date that everyone keeps talking about is really the calendar resetting. Basically there should be a ritual party rather than the world ending. Aztec and Mayans might have some similar gods and customs, but are still very different.

I'm all in favor of parties and bon fires on the winter solstice.

Kegger going on at my place....

If you guys want the true Mayan affect of parties you need a ritual sacrifice or some blood letting.

Isn't that Aztec I don't remember my mesoamerican history so well.

I think that it's both, all cultures in the Precolumbian world had some sort of sacrifice or bloodletting. I think the Aztecs just did it more, and the Mayans I think just did it with people they captured, and not went out of their way to do it. Also I think the Mayans might of done more bloodletting than sacrificing itself. I know in Chibcha art they used a lot of ornamenting of items with skulls, and had skull racks for their ball games. I think the Mayans did as well. Also I looked up in my awesome Illustrated Dictionary of the Gods and Symbols of Ancient Mexico and the Maya, they Mayans did use bloodletting, and used Obsidian knives to do it. I think the men did the blood letting through their ears, and the women their tongues. That I am not sure, and I do know that men and women had different body parts to do the blood letting, and I am pretty sure the women a ...


From what I understand, the losing team is depicted as having been sacrificed, decapitated specifically in a lot of the ball courts remaining, but there's also a few stelae with a "captain" of a well-playing team being sacrificed as well. Lots of speculation as to the meaning and who really was killed at these things.
2012-12-10 11:50:10 PM
1 votes:

tinfoil-hat maggie: Wow, they really had good drugs back then but now that you mention it wasn't there that basketball like game from the original Battlestar Gallactica that the losing team would be sacrificed or is that just more history chanel derp?


From what I can recall, I know nothing of Aztecs, Mayans or any culture back then doing drugs. However, they did burn a lot of incense and burn their own blood that could of made them in a drug like state. However there was different types of ball games that went on in each culture. I am not sure if it was Mayan, Chibcha, Teotihuacan, or Aztec where they would put these yolks on the opposing players or the ones that were captured or enslaved to make them lose, because the yolks on them were basically made out of stone. They also has been reports they used skulls as balls, but that I am not sure if its true, because they have found balls made of leather to use. They usually used skulls on racks for decoration pretty much. I know in Chibcha, and maybe Mayan they usually depicted skulls rather than use real skulls on their work like mantatas.
2012-12-10 11:47:21 PM
1 votes:

demonfaerie: blueviking: demonfaerie: tinfoil-hat maggie: demonfaerie: blueviking: tinfoil-hat maggie: demonfaerie: MBooda: The 21st of December
That day I'll always remember, yes I will
Cause that is the day, that Mayan Calendars die
I never got a chance to see 'em
Never heard nothin' but bad things about 'em
Momma I'm depending on you, to tell me the truth
Momma just hung her head and said, son
Calendar's a rolling stone...
[theyugas.com image 300x284]

That is the Aztec calendar stone, and that has to do with the sun being reborn and the world ending and starting anew. The Mayan calendar talks about different dates and actually the date that everyone keeps talking about is really the calendar resetting. Basically there should be a ritual party rather than the world ending. Aztec and Mayans might have some similar gods and customs, but are still very different.

I'm all in favor of parties and bon fires on the winter solstice.

Kegger going on at my place....

If you guys want the true Mayan affect of parties you need a ritual sacrifice or some blood letting.

Isn't that Aztec I don't remember my mesoamerican history so well.

I think that it's both, all cultures in the Precolumbian world had some sort of sacrifice or bloodletting. I think the Aztecs just did it more, and the Mayans I think just did it with people they captured, and not went out of their way to do it. Also I think the Mayans might of done more bloodletting than sacrificing itself. I know in Chibcha art they used a lot of ornamenting of items with skulls, and had skull racks for their ball games. I think the Mayans did as well. Also I looked up in my awesome Illustrated Dictionary of the Gods and Symbols of Ancient Mexico and the Maya, they Mayans did use bloodletting, and used Obsidian knives to do it. I think the men did the blood letting through their ears, and the women their tongues. That I am not sure, and I do know that men and women had different body parts to do the blood letting, and I am pretty sure ...


I want to say the sting-ray and sharks' teeth were the Mayans...but, it's been years since my classes.
2012-12-10 11:44:51 PM
1 votes:

blueviking: demonfaerie: tinfoil-hat maggie: demonfaerie: blueviking: tinfoil-hat maggie: demonfaerie: MBooda: The 21st of December
That day I'll always remember, yes I will
Cause that is the day, that Mayan Calendars die
I never got a chance to see 'em
Never heard nothin' but bad things about 'em
Momma I'm depending on you, to tell me the truth
Momma just hung her head and said, son
Calendar's a rolling stone...
[theyugas.com image 300x284]

That is the Aztec calendar stone, and that has to do with the sun being reborn and the world ending and starting anew. The Mayan calendar talks about different dates and actually the date that everyone keeps talking about is really the calendar resetting. Basically there should be a ritual party rather than the world ending. Aztec and Mayans might have some similar gods and customs, but are still very different.

I'm all in favor of parties and bon fires on the winter solstice.

Kegger going on at my place....

If you guys want the true Mayan affect of parties you need a ritual sacrifice or some blood letting.

Isn't that Aztec I don't remember my mesoamerican history so well.

I think that it's both, all cultures in the Precolumbian world had some sort of sacrifice or bloodletting. I think the Aztecs just did it more, and the Mayans I think just did it with people they captured, and not went out of their way to do it. Also I think the Mayans might of done more bloodletting than sacrificing itself. I know in Chibcha art they used a lot of ornamenting of items with skulls, and had skull racks for their ball games. I think the Mayans did as well. Also I looked up in my awesome Illustrated Dictionary of the Gods and Symbols of Ancient Mexico and the Maya, they Mayans did use bloodletting, and used Obsidian knives to do it. I think the men did the blood letting through their ears, and the women their tongues. That I am not sure, and I do know that men and women had different body parts to do the blood letting, and I am pretty sure the women a ...


Yup, but I am not sure if that is Aztec though. I know there is documentation of parts of sharks and stingrays as offerings to Tlaloc, but their area was not close by the sea or ocean. However, their empire was so huge they made other smaller nations give them stuff to leave them alone. So that is probably how they got it. Precolumbians basically they thought the gods sacrificed their own blood to create them with the use of corn. So they would try to give the blood back to gods as a thank you. Then again the Aztecs thought there was 4 different types of humans, and none was good enough so they would be destroyed by a natural disaster or eaten by jaguars, and thus a new sun would come, and new forms of humans. Basically in Aztec culture we are on the 5 sun, and the world is going to end by a giant earthquake, and then better people are going to come from it.
2012-12-10 11:42:12 PM
1 votes:

demonfaerie: tinfoil-hat maggie: demonfaerie: blueviking: tinfoil-hat maggie: demonfaerie: MBooda: The 21st of December
That day I'll always remember, yes I will
Cause that is the day, that Mayan Calendars die
I never got a chance to see 'em
Never heard nothin' but bad things about 'em
Momma I'm depending on you, to tell me the truth
Momma just hung her head and said, son
Calendar's a rolling stone...
[theyugas.com image 300x284]

That is the Aztec calendar stone, and that has to do with the sun being reborn and the world ending and starting anew. The Mayan calendar talks about different dates and actually the date that everyone keeps talking about is really the calendar resetting. Basically there should be a ritual party rather than the world ending. Aztec and Mayans might have some similar gods and customs, but are still very different.

I'm all in favor of parties and bon fires on the winter solstice.

Kegger going on at my place....

If you guys want the true Mayan affect of parties you need a ritual sacrifice or some blood letting.

Isn't that Aztec I don't remember my mesoamerican history so well.

I think that it's both, all cultures in the Precolumbian world had some sort of sacrifice or bloodletting. I think the Aztecs just did it more, and the Mayans I think just did it with people they captured, and not went out of their way to do it. Also I think the Mayans might of done more bloodletting than sacrificing itself. I know in Chibcha art they used a lot of ornamenting of items with skulls, and had skull racks for their ball games. I think the Mayans did as well. Also I looked up in my awesome Illustrated Dictionary of the Gods and Symbols of Ancient Mexico and the Maya, they Mayans did use bloodletting, and used Obsidian knives to do it. I think the men did the blood letting through their ears, and the women their tongues. That I am not sure, and I do know that men and women had different body parts to do the blood letting, and I am pretty sure the women are their tong ...


Wow, they really had good drugs back then but now that you mention it wasn't there that basketball like game from the original Battlestar Gallactica that the losing team would be sacrificed or is that just more history chanel derp?
2012-12-10 11:37:11 PM
1 votes:

demonfaerie: tinfoil-hat maggie: demonfaerie: blueviking: tinfoil-hat maggie: demonfaerie: MBooda: The 21st of December
That day I'll always remember, yes I will
Cause that is the day, that Mayan Calendars die
I never got a chance to see 'em
Never heard nothin' but bad things about 'em
Momma I'm depending on you, to tell me the truth
Momma just hung her head and said, son
Calendar's a rolling stone...
[theyugas.com image 300x284]

That is the Aztec calendar stone, and that has to do with the sun being reborn and the world ending and starting anew. The Mayan calendar talks about different dates and actually the date that everyone keeps talking about is really the calendar resetting. Basically there should be a ritual party rather than the world ending. Aztec and Mayans might have some similar gods and customs, but are still very different.

I'm all in favor of parties and bon fires on the winter solstice.

Kegger going on at my place....

If you guys want the true Mayan affect of parties you need a ritual sacrifice or some blood letting.

Isn't that Aztec I don't remember my mesoamerican history so well.

I think that it's both, all cultures in the Precolumbian world had some sort of sacrifice or bloodletting. I think the Aztecs just did it more, and the Mayans I think just did it with people they captured, and not went out of their way to do it. Also I think the Mayans might of done more bloodletting than sacrificing itself. I know in Chibcha art they used a lot of ornamenting of items with skulls, and had skull racks for their ball games. I think the Mayans did as well. Also I looked up in my awesome Illustrated Dictionary of the Gods and Symbols of Ancient Mexico and the Maya, they Mayans did use bloodletting, and used Obsidian knives to do it. I think the men did the blood letting through their ears, and the women their tongues. That I am not sure, and I do know that men and women had different body parts to do the blood letting, and I am pretty sure the women are their tong ...


They were also documented on stelae using instruments like sharks teeth and sting-ray spines, stringing them on a cord and running them through the gentials and the tongue.
2012-12-10 11:33:54 PM
1 votes:

tinfoil-hat maggie: demonfaerie: blueviking: tinfoil-hat maggie: demonfaerie: MBooda: The 21st of December
That day I'll always remember, yes I will
Cause that is the day, that Mayan Calendars die
I never got a chance to see 'em
Never heard nothin' but bad things about 'em
Momma I'm depending on you, to tell me the truth
Momma just hung her head and said, son
Calendar's a rolling stone...
[theyugas.com image 300x284]

That is the Aztec calendar stone, and that has to do with the sun being reborn and the world ending and starting anew. The Mayan calendar talks about different dates and actually the date that everyone keeps talking about is really the calendar resetting. Basically there should be a ritual party rather than the world ending. Aztec and Mayans might have some similar gods and customs, but are still very different.

I'm all in favor of parties and bon fires on the winter solstice.

Kegger going on at my place....

If you guys want the true Mayan affect of parties you need a ritual sacrifice or some blood letting.

Isn't that Aztec I don't remember my mesoamerican history so well.


I think that it's both, all cultures in the Precolumbian world had some sort of sacrifice or bloodletting. I think the Aztecs just did it more, and the Mayans I think just did it with people they captured, and not went out of their way to do it. Also I think the Mayans might of done more bloodletting than sacrificing itself. I know in Chibcha art they used a lot of ornamenting of items with skulls, and had skull racks for their ball games. I think the Mayans did as well. Also I looked up in my awesome Illustrated Dictionary of the Gods and Symbols of Ancient Mexico and the Maya, they Mayans did use bloodletting, and used Obsidian knives to do it. I think the men did the blood letting through their ears, and the women their tongues. That I am not sure, and I do know that men and women had different body parts to do the blood letting, and I am pretty sure the women are their tongues. I remember learning a relief sculpture of the wife of a queen doing a bloodletting to speak to one of the gods in a ritual. She bleed through her tongue and had the blood drip down a rope into a bowl of paper, burned said paper, and a serpent god came out of the smoke.
2012-12-10 11:25:58 PM
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demonfaerie: blueviking: tinfoil-hat maggie: demonfaerie: MBooda: The 21st of December
That day I'll always remember, yes I will
Cause that is the day, that Mayan Calendars die
I never got a chance to see 'em
Never heard nothin' but bad things about 'em
Momma I'm depending on you, to tell me the truth
Momma just hung her head and said, son
Calendar's a rolling stone...
[theyugas.com image 300x284]

That is the Aztec calendar stone, and that has to do with the sun being reborn and the world ending and starting anew. The Mayan calendar talks about different dates and actually the date that everyone keeps talking about is really the calendar resetting. Basically there should be a ritual party rather than the world ending. Aztec and Mayans might have some similar gods and customs, but are still very different.

I'm all in favor of parties and bon fires on the winter solstice.

Kegger going on at my place....

If you guys want the true Mayan affect of parties you need a ritual sacrifice or some blood letting.


Er, I don't think my husband is a fan of stringing a set of sting-ray spines through his naughty bits or tongue...and I'm sure there will be plenty of dead meat-giving animals to appease someone's gods.
2012-12-10 11:18:58 PM
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In Precolumbian or Central Mexico or hell even South America, they pretty much had 3 basic calendars. 1. The 260 day almanac and that had to do with pregnancies and how to name children. 2. the 365 day calendar or the solar calendar. 3. The Long Count calendar is the one that everyone says the world is going to end. In the calendar there are glyphs depicting large or short periods of times. The calendar also speaks of certain dates as well. Each date represented something of a beginning or an end of an era. The last date is when people think the world will end. Actually it is the calendar most likely resetting itself to start a new period of time, and thus a celebration needs to happen. I don't have my notes with me on the calendar, but I am pretty sure one of the days or periods of time deals with a King.
2012-12-10 11:16:56 PM
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tinfoil-hat maggie: demonfaerie: MBooda: The 21st of December
That day I'll always remember, yes I will
Cause that is the day, that Mayan Calendars die
I never got a chance to see 'em
Never heard nothin' but bad things about 'em
Momma I'm depending on you, to tell me the truth
Momma just hung her head and said, son
Calendar's a rolling stone...
[theyugas.com image 300x284]

That is the Aztec calendar stone, and that has to do with the sun being reborn and the world ending and starting anew. The Mayan calendar talks about different dates and actually the date that everyone keeps talking about is really the calendar resetting. Basically there should be a ritual party rather than the world ending. Aztec and Mayans might have some similar gods and customs, but are still very different.

I'm all in favor of parties and bon fires on the winter solstice.


Kegger going on at my place....
2012-12-10 11:13:47 PM
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I've been saving the DMT experience for a special day ... sooo looking fwd to chatting with the 'machine elves'.
2012-12-10 11:10:16 PM
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MBooda: The 21st of December
That day I'll always remember, yes I will
Cause that is the day, that Mayan Calendars die
I never got a chance to see 'em
Never heard nothin' but bad things about 'em
Momma I'm depending on you, to tell me the truth
Momma just hung her head and said, son
Calendar's a rolling stone...
[theyugas.com image 300x284]


That is the Aztec calendar stone, and that has to do with the sun being reborn and the world ending and starting anew. The Mayan calendar talks about different dates and actually the date that everyone keeps talking about is really the calendar resetting. Basically there should be a ritual party rather than the world ending. Aztec and Mayans might have some similar gods and customs, but are still very different.
2012-12-10 10:40:18 PM
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Long Count Baktun 13 New Year's Eve Party at my place.
2012-12-10 10:24:28 PM
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anfrind:
Most New Agers historically haven't seen the end of the Mayan calendar as a doomsday event. Those who believe it has some real meaning usually interpret it as the date of some kind of worldwide spiritual awakening. You know, New Agey stuff.

The idea of 12/21/2012 as the end of the world didn't really take off until the movie "2012" came out and The History Channel did a few so-called "documentaries" on the Mayan calendar.


In fact, most of them are hosting potlucks for the event. Nothing says apocalypse like a couscous sweet potato casserole.
2012-12-10 10:13:23 PM
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5/5/2000

Nevar forget
2012-12-10 09:53:12 PM
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SlothB77: i read some article where they interviewed a Mayan and he was like 'we don't believe the world will end. Our calendar will end, but a new calendar will begin. It is like a new beginning.' what kind of calendar is 5125 years? how do you come up with a random number like that?

the world doesn't end every december 31st for the rest of us does it?


Their callander has base 20 and base 18 units parts. So the long count is a funky length. It was so funky, even the ancient Mayans stopped using it by the 1500s, prefering the Short Count, which is more useful to human time frames.
2012-12-10 09:49:51 PM
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SlothB77: i read some article where they interviewed a Mayan and he was like 'we don't believe the world will end. Our calendar will end, but a new calendar will begin. It is like a new beginning.' what kind of calendar is 5125 years? how do you come up with a random number like that?

the world doesn't end every december 31st for the rest of us does it?


To be fair, in Mayan mythology (from what I remember in high school Spanish, so YMMV) there were 4 'worlds' which end after a certain time to be destroyed, and the last one (the third world) was destroyed after 14 b'aktuns. We are ending the 12th in this world, so there's no connection there. In addition, the previous worlds were destroyed because they were not 'successful,' I suppose habitable to men. Wiki says that dates in the 13th (upcoming) b'aktun and beyond are mentioned so apparently even they didn't assume the world is going to end.
2012-12-10 09:30:57 PM
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flup: So wait... the world is NOT going to end on Dec 21?


No, the world will and on December 31 when your 12 Cutest Kittens calendar runs out. Notice how the calendar ends and don't have an infinite number of pages? It means the printer of the calendar has mystic foreknowledge of the end of the world on December 31... not that the year starts over from January 1.
2012-12-10 09:30:46 PM
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CygnusDarius: I heard shroom trips are awesome.


I've had a couple of dozen and I've never had a bad one (can't say the same about LSD)
2012-12-10 09:27:10 PM
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SearchN: The Mayan prophecy is real. The only issue is that we are viewing the dates wrong. The Mayan's never accounted for a leap year, so in reality the end of the world is going to happen this coming June.


But,but the great alignment, man. Solar flares, crustal displacement, and I want some of those shrooms : )
2012-12-10 09:17:42 PM
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fatassbastard: KiwDaWabbit: So, it's like the Book of Revelation?

Yep, and the Quran, and the Vedas and the Tale of Taliesin: manufactured mythology.


whatever you believe in, i'm against it.
2012-12-10 09:16:16 PM
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SlothB77: i read some article where they interviewed a Mayan and he was like 'we don't believe the world will end. Our calendar will end, but a new calendar will begin. It is like a new beginning.' what kind of calendar is 5125 years? how do you come up with a random number like that?

the world doesn't end every december 31st for the rest of us does it?


duh - magic is coming back. boy is corporate america gonna be pissed!
 
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