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(Badass Digest)   Identity of Benedict Cumberbatch's Star Trek character revealed. He's not that guy, or that guy either, or not even that other guy. Maybe   (badassdigest.com ) divider line
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2012-12-11 02:33:18 AM  
Just a quick thought or two...

Since the timeline doesn't splinter until after Khan was created, he still exists in the new timeline and is floating somewhere around space.

However, in the original timeline, they do encounter Khan and maroon him to create his vendetta with Kirk. But that won't happen in this movie per canon since enough time had passed (for the vendetta) that Kirk became an admiral. It would have to be around the intended original encounter with Khan.

So what's to say if that's the case, they aren't taking ideas from TOS episodes and making a full feature film of it...maybe a Harry Mudd or Charlie Evans with a twist.

/Just sayin'
 
2012-12-11 02:49:22 AM  

Snapper Carr: How about

3) He's a wholly original character created by the writers specifically for the new Trek with no relation to any previously established canonical character and his name is actually John Harrison.


The filmmakers have said he's playing a canon character, so taking them at their word, no.

Also of note in TFA is the answer to last week's argument about whether or not the ship emerging from the water was the Enterprise. I hope you're enjoying your meal of crow, several people from that thread.
 
2012-12-11 02:50:27 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: That was Riley.


Has anyone ruled Riley out? Cumberbatch could pull that guy off easy.
 
2012-12-11 03:16:41 AM  

Tsar_Bomba1: Did ya ever see the Captain naked?

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 576x432]

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 320x240]


Holy crap, I never realized until I saw these pics how much Charlie X looks like a Robert Pattinson bobble head.
 
2012-12-11 03:21:49 AM  

Surool: rynthetyn: Balchinian: Benedict Cumberbatch...there really isn't any hiding where you are from with a name like that, is there?

It's the sort of name that P.G. Wodehouse might have thought up for a particularly foppish wealthy young gentleman.

When I started watching Sherlock, I awarded him with the title of "Actor With the Most English Name Ever". He's really good, but it sounds like a name somebody made up for a stereotypical English guy in a romantic comedy.


The guy who plays Rick on Walking Dead is close. His real last name is "Clutterbuck".


rwhamann: I was kind of hoping it was Kodos the Executioner - wicked cool villain name. Then I read the bio on Kodos, and he's not that exciting.


I'm still hoping for Vypron the Insistent. 

/obscure?
 
2012-12-11 03:28:11 AM  
I'm definitely not a Trekkie per say, but I really enjoyed the first go-around with JJ Abrams and I find this whole thread incredibly interesting. Needless to say I'm very excited.
 
2012-12-11 04:43:37 AM  

Will-Mun: 2. Because he's playing/is the primary antagonist of Star Trek and its STAR TREK.


Like I said: Why the fark does anyone care? It's going to be another lens-flair-filled piece of shiat just like the last one.
 
2012-12-11 05:22:46 AM  

Ed Grubermann: Will-Mun: 2. Because he's playing/is the primary antagonist of Star Trek and its STAR TREK.

Like I said: Why the fark does anyone care? It's going to be another lens-flair-filled piece of shiat just like the last one.


Because some of us enjoyed the last movie, and aren't angry dickwads like you grew up.

Do you want the long answer?
 
2012-12-11 05:24:12 AM  
I bet Ed Grubermann can tell us why the last half dozen Trek movies are better than Abrams' version. I bet he'll do it right now.
 
2012-12-11 05:27:00 AM  
Oh what is that, you argue? Most Trek movies suck since you've been alive?

So do Sex and the City movies.

I don't argue about those online.

What is your excuse, since you hate them so much?

Be specific. TOS would want it that way. Compare and contrast with Berman/Braga Trek, or even early TNG Trek.

Where are the glory days, exactly?

BE SPECIFIC
 
2012-12-11 05:29:13 AM  
The only good Star Trek ever is Kirk and Spock.

Sometimes Picard rose above his crappy show but otherwise, not a chance.

JJ Abrams Trek is REAL Star Trek.
 
2012-12-11 05:36:36 AM  

Confabulat: The only good Star Trek ever is Kirk and Spock.

Sometimes Picard rose above his crappy show but otherwise, not a chance.

JJ Abrams Trek is REAL Star Trek.


i have to agree. haters gonna hate.
 
2012-12-11 05:57:29 AM  

simplicimus: I hope Harcort Fenton Mudd is in this movie.


It could be Harry Mudd since everyone is pretty in this universe.
 
2012-12-11 06:12:28 AM  

100 Watt Walrus: The filmmakers have said he's playing a canon character, so taking them at their word, no.


One of these filmmakers is the same guy who said that the people on the island in Lost were simply all dead.
 
2012-12-11 06:30:22 AM  
Alice Eve's character is reportedly Carol Marcus.

Which is admittedly a part of Kirk's life that never was actually shown but just talked about; and his dumbass son barely made a mark on Kirk or the audience before he was offed anyway.

Still, that's a good part of unexplored Trek mythology that probably could use a bit of fleshing out anyway. No one ever thought about Jimmy Kirk Jr. until he popped up suddenly and just got murdered anyway while Kirk listened and got madder.
 
2012-12-11 07:11:36 AM  

Confabulat: Alice Eve's character is reportedly Carol Marcus.


I hate this "showing the first 9 minutes before some other movie" crap. Mainly because I skipped the screening in Austin where they were going to show the beginning of the 2009 movie and then Wrath of Khan, but actually showed the whole movie. I doubt they'd do that with the Hobbit, right?
 
2012-12-11 07:17:01 AM  

some_beer_drinker: bullshiat. it's gary mitchell.


That's my guess too. People in foreign countries who've already seen the 9 minute trailer of ST before The Hobbit say Cumberbatch's character was healing people by touching them. That wouldn't be Khan, but it definitely could have been Mitchell. Khan was never a philanthropist, writing him like that wouldn't have made sense at all. 

/besides, with all the people in the ST Universe, the writers have to go revisit a villain already covered in a movie?
 
2012-12-11 07:26:37 AM  
Noonien Soong.

Book it. Done.
 
2012-12-11 07:37:19 AM  

serial_crusher: Confabulat: Alice Eve's character is reportedly Carol Marcus.

I hate this "showing the first 9 minutes before some other movie" crap. Mainly because I skipped the screening in Austin where they were going to show the beginning of the 2009 movie and then Wrath of Khan, but actually showed the whole movie. I doubt they'd do that with the Hobbit, right?


I like it. JJ Abrams knows that nerds love to guess about stuff, so he just plays these games. I don't mind; it's fun. I guess it annoys a certain sort of person who wants to know everything about a movie before they pirate it, but for the most part, I like how Abrams goes old-school Return of the Jedi style and just messes with the audience cause they want to know.

It's a game. Like a three-dimensional chess match with Spock or Solo. I really hope he's the Harrison from TOS, that's sort of clever and annoying enough to piss off a million Trekkies while they wonder why they are upset over a a trivia question only they could answer might be the Biggest Bad of Trekdom ever.

That's funny.
 
2012-12-11 08:24:04 AM  

moothemagiccow: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: All these articles and rumors are increasingly draining my capacity to care about this film. Why couldn't we have just given the franchise to Joss Whedon?

because none of jj abrams shows got cancelled six episodes in like they should have been.


/ftfy
 
2012-12-11 08:27:33 AM  

simplicimus: moothemagiccow: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: All these articles and rumors are increasingly draining my capacity to care about this film. Why couldn't we have just given the franchise to Joss Whedon?

because none of jj abrams shows got cancelled six episodes in

Whedon's shows that worked started with a small cast of central characters and added other characters gradually were successful . Shows that failed started with a large number of characters. Since everybody knows Star Trek's characters, he might work as a director.


Nope, it was vampires
 
2012-12-11 08:29:39 AM  

Xase: moothemagiccow: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: All these articles and rumors are increasingly draining my capacity to care about this film. Why couldn't we have just given the franchise to Joss Whedon?

because none of jj abrams shows got cancelled six episodes in like they should have been.

/ftfy


Hey now, Lost had a solid 49 episodes.
 
2012-12-11 08:31:37 AM  

Confabulat: The only good Star Trek ever is Kirk and Spock.

Sometimes Picard rose above his crappy show but otherwise, not a chance.

JJ Abrams Trek is REAL Star Trek.


images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-12-11 08:34:19 AM  
John Harrison + Marine Chonometer = Time travel movie.
 
2012-12-11 08:54:39 AM  
Funny how that picture really brings out the contrast between the white walls and coloured uniforms with leatherette boots with buckles.

It's like putting a man in a spacesuit and having him play baseball in a baseball field, it just doesn't look like the two fit together.
 
2012-12-11 09:15:14 AM  
I honestly do not think it would be Khan but it would be cool if they ever do a Khan movie to have Khan be found by another ship, maybe a precursor to the Miranda class U.S.S. Reliant. He takes over that ship since Kirk was not there to stop him and he tries to conquer the galaxy.

Khan could go into hiding and start secretly doing evil things. Maybe have him use his "superior" intellect to start making Augments and have almost a second Eugenics War.
 
2012-12-11 09:18:35 AM  
I think it's clear he'll be playing Kirk's greatest nemesis whose mutual hatred dates back to their academy days, which would be Finnegan.
 
2012-12-11 09:19:08 AM  

Surool: rynthetyn: Balchinian: Benedict Cumberbatch...there really isn't any hiding where you are from with a name like that, is there?

It's the sort of name that P.G. Wodehouse might have thought up for a particularly foppish wealthy young gentleman.

When I started watching Sherlock, I awarded him with the title of "Actor With the Most English Name Ever". He's really good, but it sounds like a name somebody made up for a stereotypical English guy in a romantic comedy.


cdn-images.hollywood.com

Disagrees.
 
2012-12-11 09:35:55 AM  

yves0010: I honestly do not think it would be Khan but it would be cool if they ever do a Khan movie to have Khan be found by another ship, maybe a precursor to the Miranda class U.S.S. Reliant. He takes over that ship since Kirk was not there to stop him and he tries to conquer the galaxy.

Khan could go into hiding and start secretly doing evil things. Maybe have him use his "superior" intellect to start making Augments and have almost a second Eugenics War.


You think Khan would try to take over the galaxy in a Miranda class ship? Really???
 
2012-12-11 09:38:05 AM  

grokca: John Harrison + Marine Chonometer = Time travel movie.


Maybe that's a hint he's Cochrane.

Bendal: Cumberbatch's character was healing people by touching them.


Uh-oh...

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-11 09:41:29 AM  
If the Star Trek featurette before the Hobbitt is as reflexive to the The Dark Knight Rises before M:I Ghost Protocol last year, all the misdirection and lies about the characters are going to be rubbish and the spot on rumors of the internet will be true (e.g., Robin and Talia Al-Ghul).

Ergo, Mitchell.
 
2012-12-11 09:46:55 AM  

Cup Check: yves0010: I honestly do not think it would be Khan but it would be cool if they ever do a Khan movie to have Khan be found by another ship, maybe a precursor to the Miranda class U.S.S. Reliant. He takes over that ship since Kirk was not there to stop him and he tries to conquer the galaxy.

Khan could go into hiding and start secretly doing evil things. Maybe have him use his "superior" intellect to start making Augments and have almost a second Eugenics War.

You think Khan would try to take over the galaxy in a Miranda class ship? Really???


I said precursor to the Miranda class U.S.S. Reliant. Seeing that Starfleet reuses its ship names all the time (See Constitution class U.S.S. Defiant and U.S.S. Intrepid). It could be said that the U.S.S. Reliant could be a Constitution class star ship before being made into a Miranda class. And plus, that little Miranda class managed to do some good damage to the Enterprise in Wrath of Khan.
 
2012-12-11 10:30:31 AM  

yves0010: Cup Check: yves0010: I honestly do not think it would be Khan but it would be cool if they ever do a Khan movie to have Khan be found by another ship, maybe a precursor to the Miranda class U.S.S. Reliant. He takes over that ship since Kirk was not there to stop him and he tries to conquer the galaxy.

Khan could go into hiding and start secretly doing evil things. Maybe have him use his "superior" intellect to start making Augments and have almost a second Eugenics War.

You think Khan would try to take over the galaxy in a Miranda class ship? Really???

I said precursor to the Miranda class U.S.S. Reliant. Seeing that Starfleet reuses its ship names all the time (See Constitution class U.S.S. Defiant and U.S.S. Intrepid). It could be said that the U.S.S. Reliant could be a Constitution class star ship before being made into a Miranda class. And plus, that little Miranda class managed to do some good damage to the Enterprise in Wrath of Khan.


Only because Kirk got caught with his britches down. Which, come to think on it, isn't an unusual situation for Jim...
 
2012-12-11 10:34:14 AM  

Mordo The Black: And plus, that little Miranda class managed to do some good damage to the Enterprise in Wrath of Khan.

Only because Kirk got caught with his britches down. Which, come to think on it, isn't an unusual situation for Jim...


We are all one big, happy fleet!
 
2012-12-11 10:37:03 AM  

Mordo The Black: yves0010: Cup Check: yves0010: I honestly do not think it would be Khan but it would be cool if they ever do a Khan movie to have Khan be found by another ship, maybe a precursor to the Miranda class U.S.S. Reliant. He takes over that ship since Kirk was not there to stop him and he tries to conquer the galaxy.

Khan could go into hiding and start secretly doing evil things. Maybe have him use his "superior" intellect to start making Augments and have almost a second Eugenics War.

You think Khan would try to take over the galaxy in a Miranda class ship? Really???

I said precursor to the Miranda class U.S.S. Reliant. Seeing that Starfleet reuses its ship names all the time (See Constitution class U.S.S. Defiant and U.S.S. Intrepid). It could be said that the U.S.S. Reliant could be a Constitution class star ship before being made into a Miranda class. And plus, that little Miranda class managed to do some good damage to the Enterprise in Wrath of Khan.

Only because Kirk got caught with his britches down. Which, come to think on it, isn't an unusual situation for Jim...


I know, but I am just saying, back in the TOS era, the Miranda class was not a crap ship like it is treated today. It might be a small frigate, but it still packs a punch when needed. And since this is an alt universe, the Miranda class might actually pack even more fire power.
 
2012-12-11 10:45:36 AM  
Mittens? OH, Mitchell...

It's Khan.  Duh.
 
2012-12-11 10:45:40 AM  
I trust that before the week is out we'll have a youtube compilation of every single instance of a character named 'Harrison' appearing on any Star Trek series, ever.

You know, in an attmept to solve this mystery!
 
2012-12-11 10:58:43 AM  

Confabulat: The only good Star Trek ever is Kirk and SpockShatner and Nimoy.

Sometimes Picard rose above his crappy show but otherwise, not a chance.

JJ Abrams Trek is REAL Star Trek average.


FTFY
 
2012-12-11 11:49:14 AM  

some_beer_drinker: bullshiat. it's gary mitchell.


Bullshiat. It's Ben Finney.
 
2012-12-11 11:52:23 AM  

dennysgod: some_beer_drinker: bullshiat. it's gary mitchell.

Not sure how that would work unless they just basically make a 2hr long version of "Where No Man Has Gone Before" but if you watch the trailer there is girl on there who looks a hell of a lot like Elizabeth Dehner, and the fact she shows up twice in such a small clips make me think that, who ever she is, plays a somewhat vital role in this film.


Carol Marcus.
 
2012-12-11 12:05:08 PM  

Arn_Dee: some_beer_drinker: bullshiat. it's gary mitchell.

Bullshiat. It's Ben Finney.


Nah, its Garth of Izar.
 
2012-12-11 12:14:53 PM  

Wellon Dowd: Arn_Dee: some_beer_drinker: bullshiat. it's gary mitchell.

Bullshiat. It's Ben Finney.

Nah, its Garth of Izar.


No, It is the brother of the Gorn that Kirk killed in Arena. He had surgery to make himself look human and learned English, joined Starfleet for the very purpose of killing Kirk.
 
2012-12-11 12:18:28 PM  
Maybe I'm just reading into the casting of Peter Weller too much, but he played John Frederick Paxton, a xenophobic leader of Terra Prime at the end of Enterprise. He also ordered the creation of a Vulcan/Human hybrid clone and threatened to destroy Star Fleet Command if all alien species didn't leave the solar system. He also did not die, but was imprisoned.

Could John Harrison be a second, and successful, Vulcan/Human hybrid who has been mentored at the knee of John Paxton? Granted, the time frame is a bit off, but Spock is both Human and Vulcan and is comparably more long-lived and the combo could account for Harrison's longevity and also his displeyed greater strength. Paxton was also a follower of Colonel Green, another xenophobe who has ties to TNG who has certain Khan-like elements.
 
2012-12-11 12:25:54 PM  

yves0010: Wellon Dowd: Arn_Dee: some_beer_drinker: bullshiat. it's gary mitchell.

Bullshiat. It's Ben Finney.

Nah, its Garth of Izar.

No, It is the brother of the Gorn that Kirk killed in Arena. He had surgery to make himself look human and learned English, joined Starfleet for the very purpose of killing Kirk.


But Cumberbatch looks more like this guy:

www.startrek.com
 
2012-12-11 12:27:55 PM  

Confabulat: Alice Eve's character is reportedly Carol Marcus.

Which is admittedly a part of Kirk's life that never was actually shown but just talked about; and his dumbass son barely made a mark on Kirk or the audience before he was offed anyway.

Still, that's a good part of unexplored Trek mythology that probably could use a bit of fleshing out anyway. No one ever thought about Jimmy Kirk Jr. until he popped up suddenly and just got murdered anyway while Kirk listened and got madder.


Hey.....

Notice any similiarities?

images2.wikia.nocookie.net

www.hollywoodreporter.com

What if "John Harrison" is Kirk's son from the future?

He would be playing a 'canon character', and he's come back to get revenge on Kirk for abandoning
his mother or some such?

It would also allow the IDW STAR TREK comic to exist in the new continuity without contradiction.

Granted, the re-use of time travel in yet another STAR TREK movie is depressing, but it would not be
surprising since time travel has been all the rage in SF movies for the past few years due to the
success of the resurrected DOCTOR WHO, and it would not surprise me one bit if Paramount decreed
that they keep using time travel because its 'hot' right now.

I loved the first Abrams TREK, and am looking forward to this, but if this is the tack they are taking
then I am VERY worried for the quality of this and future movies.
 
2012-12-11 12:32:46 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: Confabulat: Alice Eve's character is reportedly Carol Marcus.

Which is admittedly a part of Kirk's life that never was actually shown but just talked about; and his dumbass son barely made a mark on Kirk or the audience before he was offed anyway.

Still, that's a good part of unexplored Trek mythology that probably could use a bit of fleshing out anyway. No one ever thought about Jimmy Kirk Jr. until he popped up suddenly and just got murdered anyway while Kirk listened and got madder.

Hey.....

Notice any similiarities?

[images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 290x370]

[www.hollywoodreporter.com image 349x466]

What if "John Harrison" is Kirk's son from the future?

He would be playing a 'canon character', and he's come back to get revenge on Kirk for abandoning
his mother or some such?

It would also allow the IDW STAR TREK comic to exist in the new continuity without contradiction.

Granted, the re-use of time travel in yet another STAR TREK movie is depressing, but it would not be
surprising since time travel has been all the rage in SF movies for the past few years due to the
success of the resurrected DOCTOR WHO, and it would not surprise me one bit if Paramount decreed
that they keep using time travel because its 'hot' right now.

I loved the first Abrams TREK, and am looking forward to this, but if this is the tack they are taking
then I am VERY worried for the quality of this and future movies.


I can assure you, they are not. Time travel is unlikely to be in this movie. However, the consequences of time travel from the previous outing probably will.
 
2012-12-11 12:33:03 PM  
Crap!

Judson Scott didn't play Kirk's son David, Merritt Butrick did.

Still:

www.wearysloth.com

There is a resemblance, isn't there?

/Didn't know he dies of AIDS in '89.
 
2012-12-11 12:34:32 PM  

coeyagi: I loved the first Abrams TREK, and am looking forward to this, but if this is the tack they are taking
then I am VERY worried for the quality of this and future movies.

I can assure you, they are not. Time travel is unlikely to be in this movie. However, the consequences of time travel from the previous outing probably will.


May the Great Bird grant you are correct, sir.
 
2012-12-11 12:38:38 PM  
Wrong sci-fi franchise, Benedict. I think you'd do better in a spaceship that's more box-like. And Blue. And bigger on the inside.

Personally, I think he'd make a damn good Doctor.
 
2012-12-11 12:54:51 PM  

DeltaX: Wrong sci-fi franchise, Benedict. I think you'd do better in a spaceship that's more box-like. And Blue. And bigger on the inside.

Personally, I think he'd make a damn good Doctor.


There is a rumour that Cumberbatch was offered the role and turned it down, but both Moffat and
Cumberbatch have denied it.

There is also a rumour that Cumberbatch will play the Master in future series, but I suspect that's just
fan wankery.
 
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