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(Badass Digest)   Identity of Benedict Cumberbatch's Star Trek character revealed. He's not that guy, or that guy either, or not even that other guy. Maybe   (badassdigest.com) divider line 188
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2012-12-10 06:45:06 PM  
I heard he is playing a French Captain Kirk as envisioned in a modern day New York working for a corporation called Enterprise LLC.

/ Hollywood, make it so
 
2012-12-10 06:50:32 PM  
bullshiat. it's gary mitchell.
 
2012-12-10 06:55:16 PM  
What is it with the lack of lensflare in that photo?
 
2012-12-10 07:46:05 PM  
John Harrison? What about his sidekick, Ringo McCartney?
 
2012-12-10 07:50:12 PM  

bingethinker: John Harrison? What about his sidekick, Ringo McCartney?


You're thinking of Paul Lennon.
 
2012-12-10 07:53:35 PM  
 
2012-12-10 08:13:39 PM  

fusillade762: some_beer_drinker: bullshiat. it's gary mitchell.

From the sidebar of TFA:

Why Gary Mitchell Is Almost Certainly Not The Villain Of STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS


That's disappointing if true. With the hints in the two trailers, it has to be either Khan or Mitchell, and there's no reason it should be Khan. The odds of a different ship just happening to run across a derelict DY-100?
 
2012-12-10 08:14:31 PM  
Cumberbatch and Giacchino. This has possibilities.
 
2012-12-10 08:50:11 PM  
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Harrison
 
This guy?
 
Somehow I think not.  He played minor characters. 
 
2012-12-10 08:58:16 PM  

fusillade762: some_beer_drinker: bullshiat. it's gary mitchell.

From the sidebar of TFA:

Why Gary Mitchell Is Almost Certainly Not The Villain Of STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS


that is by no means proof of anything. im going with mitchell until proven otherwise. i am an old fan, and this smells like gary has come back. im excited by this, and i love this cumberbatch guy. he is one of the most brilliant new actors i have ever seen.
 
2012-12-10 09:12:17 PM  
Mitchell!

/I have no idea. I just loved the movie on MST3K.
 
2012-12-10 09:13:51 PM  
My next born child will be named Benedict Cumberbatch [my last name].
 
2012-12-10 09:53:25 PM  
JOHHHHHNNNNN!
 
2012-12-10 09:56:10 PM  
That's perfect casting!

An actor I've never heard of playing a character I've never heard of. Brilliant!
 
2012-12-10 10:08:00 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: That's perfect casting!

An actor I've never heard of playing a character I've never heard of. Brilliant!


We're in alternate universe. Maybe it's a new character posing a different threat. Not everything needs to be recycled from past episodes/movies. Except Tribbles.
 
2012-12-10 10:16:47 PM  

simplicimus: Lionel Mandrake: That's perfect casting!

An actor I've never heard of playing a character I've never heard of. Brilliant!

We're in alternate universe. Maybe it's a new character posing a different threat. Not everything needs to be recycled from past episodes/movies. Except Tribbles.


I'd like the new universe a lot more if they made a point to diverge completely from the original. Even Mitchell is disappointing in that respect. While Spock obviously won't diverge details of the original timeline, I would think even he would warn the Federation of the biggest threats, which would arguably include Mitchell, Khan and V'Ger. The Talosians probably too. And that someone needs to get on cloning a few whales or go steal a ratty BOP.

Violating Federation laws on timeline changes yes, but it's clear that the original timeline is not reparable.
 
2012-12-10 10:19:05 PM  

simplicimus: Lionel Mandrake: That's perfect casting!

An actor I've never heard of playing a character I've never heard of. Brilliant!

We're in alternate universe. Maybe it's a new character posing a different threat. Not everything needs to be recycled from past episodes/movies. Except Tribbles.


I think it should be an alternate universe that is very nearly indistinguishable from the original Star Trek universe, except that Romulans dress like circus clowns
 
2012-12-10 10:19:23 PM  

GAT_00: simplicimus: Lionel Mandrake: That's perfect casting!

An actor I've never heard of playing a character I've never heard of. Brilliant!

We're in alternate universe. Maybe it's a new character posing a different threat. Not everything needs to be recycled from past episodes/movies. Except Tribbles.

I'd like the new universe a lot more if they made a point to diverge completely from the original. Even Mitchell is disappointing in that respect. While Spock obviously won't diverge details of the original timeline, I would think even he would warn the Federation of the biggest threats, which would arguably include Mitchell, Khan and V'Ger. The Talosians probably too. And that someone needs to get on cloning a few whales or go steal a ratty BOP.

Violating Federation laws on timeline changes yes, but it's clear that the original timeline is not reparable.


Might want to warn them about the Borg too, maybe even Q.
 
2012-12-10 10:22:07 PM  
John Harrison is obviously an alias.
For Harry Johnson.

/ron jeremy auditioned...
 
2012-12-10 10:24:55 PM  
Maybe he's playing Data as Sherlock Holmes?
 
2012-12-10 10:25:27 PM  
It has to be Sybock.
 
2012-12-10 10:30:27 PM  
No, he's going to be playing McCoy's no good alcoholic cousin who wants revenge for Kirk busting up his interstellar moonshine running ring.
 
2012-12-10 10:32:32 PM  

texdent: Might want to warn them about the Borg too, maybe even Q.


I wouldn't. Warning them about Q means he doesn't test Picard, which means we don't get advance warning of the Borg so we can prepare. Without Q, the Borg flatten us in months when they get to us.
 
2012-12-10 10:33:25 PM  
I'm sure he'll bring some true depth to this character...

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-12-10 10:38:29 PM  
Here's a nutty idea: if you reboot the franchise, don't use all the same villains!
 
2012-12-10 10:39:06 PM  
Khan??? Lets hope not. Why reboot the series if you are just goig to visit the same old characters.
 
2012-12-10 10:41:57 PM  
he should have been a black guy.
 
2012-12-10 10:42:56 PM  
" My two thoughts:

1) The caption is a lie. I mean, he may be calling himself 'John Harrison,' but that's not who he really is. That's a name he's using for most of the film before a big reveal as to who he actually is.

2) He's Harrison, a minor recurring crew member from the original series who bounced around from assigment to assignment, variously being in a red security shirt, a technician in sickbay and a gold shirted member of the bridge crew. He's not really a character, so much as he's a background actor who keeps popping up. He's technically canon, though, and his name is certainly mentioned in the show."



How about

3) He's a wholly original character created by the writers specifically for the new Trek with no relation to any previously established canonical character and his name is actually John Harrison.
 
2012-12-10 10:45:21 PM  

some_beer_drinker: bullshiat. it's gary mitchell.


Not sure how that would work unless they just basically make a 2hr long version of "Where No Man Has Gone Before" but if you watch the trailer there is girl on there who looks a hell of a lot like Elizabeth Dehner, and the fact she shows up twice in such a small clips make me think that, who ever she is, plays a somewhat vital role in this film.
 
2012-12-10 10:47:27 PM  
Wasn't Khan only one of many genetically-enhanced supermen in hibernation on the Botany Bay? Maybe Harrison was dude #37 on the ship, and there was some sort of Aliens 3-type shenanigans with the rest of the crew's hibernation pods. Bam! Instant promotion to headlining villain.
 
2012-12-10 10:48:14 PM  

GAT_00: texdent: Might want to warn them about the Borg too, maybe even Q.

I wouldn't. Warning them about Q means he doesn't test Picard, which means we don't get advance warning of the Borg so we can prepare. Without Q, the Borg flatten us in months when they get to us.


If memory serves, the Borg only knew about humanity because of Q?
 
2012-12-10 10:50:56 PM  

Paleorific: Why reboot the series if you are just goig to visit the same old characters.


That strategy has kept the comic book industry in business for the past hundred years or so.
 
2012-12-10 10:55:01 PM  

GAT_00:


I'd like the new universe a lot more if they made a point to diverge completely from the original. Even Mitchell is disappointing in that respect. While Spock obviously won't diverge details of the original timeline, I would think even he would warn the Federation of the biggest threats, which would arguably include Mitchell, Khan and V'Ger. .


Was Khan really a major threat, though? I mean, he was a badass dictator in the future-past, but once he comes out of suspended animation, he's just a genetically engineered egomaniac... but without a huge army, oppressive intelligence network, etc. That doesn't seem too pressing.
 
2012-12-10 10:56:25 PM  

Renegade Pervert: GAT_00: texdent: Might want to warn them about the Borg too, maybe even Q.

I wouldn't. Warning them about Q means he doesn't test Picard, which means we don't get advance warning of the Borg so we can prepare. Without Q, the Borg flatten us in months when they get to us.

If memory serves, the Borg only knew about humanity because of Q?


But they have a transwarp conduit something like 10,000 light years away. Q didn't have to take the Enterprise all the way to the Delta Quadrant.
 
2012-12-10 10:57:19 PM  

lamecomedian: GAT_00:


I'd like the new universe a lot more if they made a point to diverge completely from the original. Even Mitchell is disappointing in that respect. While Spock obviously won't diverge details of the original timeline, I would think even he would warn the Federation of the biggest threats, which would arguably include Mitchell, Khan and V'Ger. .

Was Khan really a major threat, though? I mean, he was a badass dictator in the future-past, but once he comes out of suspended animation, he's just a genetically engineered egomaniac... but without a huge army, oppressive intelligence network, etc. That doesn't seem too pressing.


If someone else finds him and lets him out, he could easily become a big problem quick.
 
2012-12-10 11:00:14 PM  
I was kind of hoping it was Kodos the Executioner - wicked cool villain name. Then I read the bio on Kodos, and he's not that exciting.
 
2012-12-10 11:02:42 PM  

JoeJitsu: I'm sure he'll bring some true depth to this character...

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x212]


Guy Fleegman: I'm just a glorified extra, Fred. I'm a dead man anyway. If I'm gonna die, I'd rather go out a hero than a coward.
Fred Kwan: Guy, Guy... maybe you're the plucky comic relief. You ever think about that?
Guy Fleegman: Plucky?
 
2012-12-10 11:04:30 PM  
I'm not a super-Trekkie, but how does Mitchell even make sense? He wasn't a threat or a bad guy until the encounter with the barrier, and this villain seems to be seeking revenge for some old indignity. Of course, Khan vs Kirk can't be some decades long blood feud either, not without, ummm, decades.
 
2012-12-10 11:08:08 PM  
Cumberbatch's quote from the trailer ... "Enjoy these final moments of peace, for I have returned to have my vengeance."

I've figured it out. The villain in Star Trek Into Darkness is Rick Berman.

/Totally makes sense.
 
2012-12-10 11:08:22 PM  
I hope the Traveller is in this movie.
 
2012-12-10 11:12:00 PM  

BalugaJoe: I hope the Traveller is in this movie.


I hope Harcort Fenton Mudd is in this movie.
 
2012-12-10 11:13:28 PM  

Renegade Pervert: GAT_00: texdent: Might want to warn them about the Borg too, maybe even Q.

I wouldn't. Warning them about Q means he doesn't test Picard, which means we don't get advance warning of the Borg so we can prepare. Without Q, the Borg flatten us in months when they get to us.

If memory serves, the Borg only knew about humanity because of Q?


Nope. In the series there's an episode in which the Enterprise is meeting with the Romulans. Entire Federation colonies have been vanishing on the boarder of the Neutral zone, as if scooped up off the planet. They believe its a new Romulan super weapon.

They encounter the Romulans and find they are having the same problem... Later after Q showed them the Borg they discover another missing colony and a Cube.

The reason you don't remember that is the Romulan episode was actually about three cryo-patients from the late 20th century bumbling around the ship.


Also, for the people asking why it has to be a cannon character, why can't it be original? We were TOLD Benedict was playing an established cannon character.
 
2012-12-10 11:17:39 PM  

rwhamann: I'm not a super-Trekkie, but how does Mitchell even make sense? He wasn't a threat or a bad guy until the encounter with the barrier, and this villain seems to be seeking revenge for some old indignity. Of course, Khan vs Kirk can't be some decades long blood feud either, not without, ummm, decades.


A theory is that the movie is a pseudo sequel, having the events take place after Where No Man. That or have the events of No Man take place as the set up to the movie... Point being Mitchell didn't die from a little rock induced concussion.

Now he's back and he's pissed.
 
2012-12-10 11:17:42 PM  

Will-Mun: Also, for the people asking why it has to be a cannon character, why can't it be original? We were TOLD Benedict was playing an established cannon character.


yeah but that seems like exactly the sort of sneaky way to deflect people's attention. choose a random character that appeared in some background scenes, craft what is essentially a completely new story around this otherwise unknown character and trick all the people trying to second guess you.
 
2012-12-10 11:20:16 PM  

rwhamann: I was kind of hoping it was Kodos the Executioner - wicked cool villain name. Then I read the bio on Kodos, and he's not that exciting.



Interestingly enough the character Harrison was in both Conscience of the King and Space Seed. 
 
2012-12-10 11:20:45 PM  

simplicimus: BalugaJoe: I hope the Traveller is in this movie.

I hope Harcort Fenton Mudd is in this movie.


Personally, I think it should be the space hippies.
 
2012-12-10 11:21:18 PM  
oi46.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-10 11:23:17 PM  
Benedict Cumberbatch?

Zinglebert Bambledack?
 
2012-12-10 11:24:58 PM  

tlchwi02: Will-Mun: Also, for the people asking why it has to be a cannon character, why can't it be original? We were TOLD Benedict was playing an established cannon character.

yeah but that seems like exactly the sort of sneaky way to deflect people's attention. choose a random character that appeared in some background scenes, craft what is essentially a completely new story around this otherwise unknown character and trick all the people trying to second guess you.


Kirk 2.0 hasn't been around long enough to piss anybody off. Nor has Spock 2.0. Unless Scotty's gremlin assumed human form, I don't see anyone seeking vengeance.
 
2012-12-10 11:25:40 PM  
Movie cold open: Deep space with a tinge of nebula in the background. Something drifts unpowered in the distance. It approaches the camera slowly, like the Narcissus in the opening credits of Aliens. We eventually see that it's a DY-100 transport. It passes by the camera which tracks it, and we can clearly read "S.S. Botany Bay" on its side.

The camera finishes its 180 degrees pan and a Federation starship can be seen approaching in the distance. It's a Constitution-class ship.

Cut to close up of the starship. At first we think it's the Enterprise, but we see the U.S.S. Constellation NCC-1017. Without any warning, photon torpedos streak to the Botany Bay. Three successive hits completely obliterate the sleeper ship. There is a spectacular series of explosion.

As the blast dissipates, we cut to a woman at the weapons station on the Constellation's bridge. She turns to report, "Target destroyed, Ambassador Spock. No survivors confirmed."

Camera quick-pans to Spock Prime standing by the captain's seat. He says, "Thank you, Ensign... McGivers. Captain, you may resume your mission." He leaves the bridge.

Then, we move on to the actual movie with Kirk and company on the Enterprise.
 
2012-12-10 11:30:10 PM  

simplicimus: Kirk 2.0 hasn't been around long enough to piss anybody off. Nor has Spock 2.0. Unless Scotty's gremlin assumed human form, I don't see anyone seeking vengeance.


why should it be someone who hates kirk. he could easily be seeking vengance against the federation as a total, and kirk just has to deal with him because he's the captain of a ship and whatnot.
 
2012-12-10 11:35:43 PM  

Pai Mei: Benedict Cumberbatch?

Zinglebert Bambledack?


Slut Bunwallah.
 
2012-12-10 11:37:11 PM  
All these articles and rumors are increasingly draining my capacity to care about this film. Why couldn't we have just given the franchise to Joss Whedon?
 
2012-12-10 11:37:50 PM  

I Like Bread: Pai Mei: Benedict Cumberbatch?

Zinglebert Bambledack?

Slut Bunwallah.


Bob Johnson. Oh, wait.
 
2012-12-10 11:40:54 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: I Like Bread: Pai Mei: Benedict Cumberbatch?

Zinglebert Bambledack?

Slut Bunwallah.

Bob Johnson. Oh, wait.


I fear we're about to wander off into MST3K land.
 
2012-12-10 11:43:35 PM  
Just watched the trailer again - the blond smiling down at Kirk - Janice Rand? Maria McGivers? Entirely new character?
 
2012-12-10 11:46:16 PM  
wait, there's a statute of limitations for conspiring to assassinate a president?
 
2012-12-10 11:47:43 PM  

Aboleth: Movie cold open: Deep space with a tinge of nebula in the background. Something drifts unpowered in the distance. It approaches the camera slowly, like the Narcissus in the opening credits of Aliens. We eventually see that it's a DY-100 transport. It passes by the camera which tracks it, and we can clearly read "S.S. Botany Bay" on its side.

The camera finishes its 180 degrees pan and a Federation starship can be seen approaching in the distance. It's a Constitution-class ship.

Cut to close up of the starship. At first we think it's the Enterprise, but we see the U.S.S. Constellation NCC-1017. Without any warning, photon torpedos streak to the Botany Bay. Three successive hits completely obliterate the sleeper ship. There is a spectacular series of explosion.

As the blast dissipates, we cut to a woman at the weapons station on the Constellation's bridge. She turns to report, "Target destroyed, Ambassador Spock. No survivors confirmed."

Camera quick-pans to Spock Prime standing by the captain's seat. He says, "Thank you, Ensign... McGivers. Captain, you may resume your mission." He leaves the bridge.

Then, we move on to the actual movie with Kirk and company on the Enterprise.


I can FEEL the nerd rage... It's like it's spilling back from the alternate universe you created by typing that.

Maybe they were caught in a tachyon storm?

...Tachyons. Tachyon Particles... They... They travel back in tim-YES I know what a vagina looks like!
 
2012-12-10 11:51:21 PM  

rwhamann: Just watched the trailer again - the blond smiling down at Kirk - Janice Rand? Maria McGivers? Entirely new character?


Dr. Carol Marcus
 
2012-12-10 11:52:25 PM  

rwhamann: Khan vs Kirk can't be some decades long blood feud either, not without, ummm, decades.


Assuming that my memory is correct and that the universes diverge at the point where the Romulan ship arrives at the beginning of the previous movie, I'm going to go out on a limb & posit that Khan is found by another Star Fleet vessel commanded by a milquetoast captain who he defeated and assumed the identity of before going back to Earth to enact his revenge for being exiled during the eugenics wars 20 years ago our time.
 
2012-12-10 11:55:10 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: All these articles and rumors are increasingly draining my capacity to care about this film. Why couldn't we have just given the franchise to Joss Whedon?


Cause Paramount doesn't give a shiat about Star Trek, and decided to give the franchise to prestige rather than passion.

I liked the Abrahms film, despite its MANY flaws. But he self admits NOT being a Dan, and he likes to do weird shiat. Works well with original material, not so much with an established franchise.

Turns out Kirk died in the Bar Fight and this is all a dream as his brain hemorrhages...

You know, something like that.
 
2012-12-10 11:57:09 PM  
Fan* damn it. On the phone.
 
2012-12-10 11:58:18 PM  

Will-Mun: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: All these articles and rumors are increasingly draining my capacity to care about this film. Why couldn't we have just given the franchise to Joss Whedon?

Cause Paramount doesn't give a shiat about Star Trek, and decided to give the franchise to prestige rather than passion.

I liked the Abrahms film, despite its MANY flaws. But he self admits NOT being a Dan, and he likes to do weird shiat. Works well with original material, not so much with an established franchise.

Turns out Kirk died in the Bar Fight and this is all a dream as his brain hemorrhages...

You know, something like that.


Jacob's Starship?
 
2012-12-11 12:02:37 AM  
Benedict Cumberbatch...there really isn't any hiding where you are from with a name like that, is there?
 
2012-12-11 12:06:16 AM  
1: Who?
2: Why the fark does anyone care?
 
2012-12-11 12:07:11 AM  

Renegade Pervert: GAT_00: texdent: Might want to warn them about the Borg too, maybe even Q.

I wouldn't. Warning them about Q means he doesn't test Picard, which means we don't get advance warning of the Borg so we can prepare. Without Q, the Borg flatten us in months when they get to us.

If memory serves, the Borg only knew about humanity because of Q?


Q introduced the Borg to Starfleet earlier than they would have reached humanity in the normal course of events but it's pretty clear he did so because he believed Picard and Co were the best chance to stop them. He tampered with history to help Starfleet, arguably because of his affection for the Enterprise-D crew.
 
2012-12-11 12:21:46 AM  

Ed Grubermann: 1: Who?
2: Why the fark does anyone care?


1a. Benedict Cumberbatch is a British actor most famous for playing Sherlock in the BBCs fantastic modernizing of the original Doyle classics. He's kind of becoming a big name nowadays, as he will also be voicing Smaug in The Hobbit as well as playing the Necromancer.

1a. John Harrison is... Well nobody knows. It's theorized that he is based off a reoccurring background character from the original series, or is using an alias to hide his identity as Kahn or possibly Mitchell.

2. Because he's playing/is the primary antagonist of Star Trek and its STAR TREK.

Welcome to the thread.
 
2012-12-11 12:29:22 AM  
OH MY GOD! THEY MIGHT NOT BE REMAKING THE SAME OLD CRAP OVER AND OVER AGAIN!

If that is really the name of Cumberbatch's character, then maybe Peter Weller (who is supposedly a "mentor" character to the villain) is Khan, and Cumberbatch is his son. So don't worry, you might still get the unoriginal movie you want so badly anyway.

I can't wrap my head around why Trekkies want this to be a retelling of a story than an original one.
 
2012-12-11 12:29:44 AM  
John Harrison and Gary Mitchell each have 12 letters in their names.

Coincidence? I think not...
 
2012-12-11 12:41:38 AM  

Ed Grubermann: 1: Who?
2: Why the fark does anyone care?


You apparently care enough to post in this thread about it.
 
2012-12-11 12:41:48 AM  
I am going to be pissed if there usnt a scene with tedious negotiations and emotional introspection!
 
2012-12-11 12:42:21 AM  

Balchinian: Benedict Cumberbatch...there really isn't any hiding where you are from with a name like that, is there?


It's the sort of name that P.G. Wodehouse might have thought up for a particularly foppish wealthy young gentleman.
 
2012-12-11 12:47:57 AM  

rynthetyn: Balchinian: Benedict Cumberbatch...there really isn't any hiding where you are from with a name like that, is there?

It's the sort of name that P.G. Wodehouse might have thought up for a particularly foppish wealthy young gentleman.


When I started watching Sherlock, I awarded him with the title of "Actor With the Most English Name Ever". He's really good, but it sounds like a name somebody made up for a stereotypical English guy in a romantic comedy.
 
2012-12-11 12:50:55 AM  

GAT_00: texdent: Might want to warn them about the Borg too, maybe even Q.

I wouldn't. Warning them about Q means he doesn't test Picard, which means we don't get advance warning of the Borg so we can prepare. Without Q, the Borg flatten us in months when they get to us.


Huh? Q revealed us to the Borg long before they ever would've discovered us.
 
2012-12-11 12:53:47 AM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: All these articles and rumors are increasingly draining my capacity to care about this film. Why couldn't we have just given the franchise to Joss Whedon?


because none of jj abrams shows got cancelled six episodes in
 
2012-12-11 12:56:08 AM  

chewielouie: GAT_00: texdent: Might want to warn them about the Borg too, maybe even Q.

I wouldn't. Warning them about Q means he doesn't test Picard, which means we don't get advance warning of the Borg so we can prepare. Without Q, the Borg flatten us in months when they get to us.

Huh? Q revealed us to the Borg long before they ever would've discovered us.


Wrong. The Borg had already destroyed colonies along both sides of the Neutral Zone. They were practically on top of us already.

/Oh yes, we're nerds
 
2012-12-11 12:56:14 AM  

Surool: OH MY GOD! THEY MIGHT NOT BE REMAKING THE SAME OLD CRAP OVER AND OVER AGAIN!

If that is really the name of Cumberbatch's character, then maybe Peter Weller (who is supposedly a "mentor" character to the villain) is Khan, and Cumberbatch is his son. So don't worry, you might still get the unoriginal movie you want so badly anyway.

I can't wrap my head around why Trekkies want this to be a retelling of a story than an original one.


Because wrath of khan was a goofy movie
 
2012-12-11 12:57:49 AM  

GAT_00: simplicimus: Lionel Mandrake: That's perfect casting!

An actor I've never heard of playing a character I've never heard of. Brilliant!

We're in alternate universe. Maybe it's a new character posing a different threat. Not everything needs to be recycled from past episodes/movies. Except Tribbles.

I'd like the new universe a lot more if they made a point to diverge completely from the original. Even Mitchell is disappointing in that respect. While Spock obviously won't diverge details of the original timeline, I would think even he would warn the Federation of the biggest threats, which would arguably include Mitchell, Khan and V'Ger. The Talosians probably too. And that someone needs to get on cloning a few whales or go steal a ratty BOP.

Violating Federation laws on timeline changes yes, but it's clear that the original timeline is not reparable.


The reason the new timeline is so similar in most ways to the old is that the timeline itself tends to go towards the way it's supposed to be. Even Old Spock said that Kirk and Spock would have met no matter what because of that. Basically, it's doing it's best to repair itself and because it can't, you end up with what we have. Which is pretty nice.
 
2012-12-11 01:00:05 AM  

moothemagiccow: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: All these articles and rumors are increasingly draining my capacity to care about this film. Why couldn't we have just given the franchise to Joss Whedon?

because none of jj abrams shows got cancelled six episodes in


Whedon's shows that worked started with a small cast of central characters and added other characters gradually were successful . Shows that failed started with a large number of characters. Since everybody knows Star Trek's characters, he might work as a director.
 
2012-12-11 01:02:09 AM  

simplicimus: Whedon's had one show that's worked (and a spinoff of that show)


FTFY.
 
2012-12-11 01:08:16 AM  

Digitalstrange: Renegade Pervert: GAT_00: texdent: Might want to warn them about the Borg too, maybe even Q.

I wouldn't. Warning them about Q means he doesn't test Picard, which means we don't get advance warning of the Borg so we can prepare. Without Q, the Borg flatten us in months when they get to us.

If memory serves, the Borg only knew about humanity because of Q?

Q introduced the Borg to Starfleet earlier than they would have reached humanity in the normal course of events but it's pretty clear he did so because he believed Picard and Co were the best chance to stop them. He tampered with history to help Starfleet, arguably because of his affection for the Enterprise-D crew.


Huh? I think it's pretty clear he was being an asshole. The Federation lost countless lives due to their war with the Borg. Further, it wasn't Picard and Co who were the best chance to stop them, nor Sisko and Co. It was Janeway.

/Janeway > Picard > Sisko
 
2012-12-11 01:09:53 AM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: simplicimus: Whedon's had one show that's worked (and a spinoff of that show)

FTFY.


Buffy started off with three characters. Angel started off with 3. Firefly started off with, I don't know, 6 or 7.
 
2012-12-11 01:12:40 AM  

simplicimus: The_Six_Fingered_Man: simplicimus: Whedon's had one show that's worked (and a spinoff of that show)

FTFY.

Buffy started off with three characters. Angel started off with 3. Firefly started off with, I don't know, 6 or 7.


Giles makes 4 for Buffy.
 
2012-12-11 01:13:09 AM  

Surool: rynthetyn: Balchinian: Benedict Cumberbatch...there really isn't any hiding where you are from with a name like that, is there?

It's the sort of name that P.G. Wodehouse might have thought up for a particularly foppish wealthy young gentleman.

When I started watching Sherlock, I awarded him with the title of "Actor With the Most English Name Ever". He's really good, but it sounds like a name somebody made up for a stereotypical English guy in a romantic comedy.


I believe that when he started acting he was strongly advised to change his name if he wanted to be successful and cast as anything other than upper crust prigs.
 
2012-12-11 01:17:15 AM  

simplicimus: The_Six_Fingered_Man: simplicimus: Whedon's had one show that's worked (and a spinoff of that show)

FTFY.

Buffy started off with three characters. Angel started off with 3. Firefly started off with, I don't know, 6 or 7.


I was commenting on the fact that he's had all of 4 TV shows. Two ran their course and can be considered "successful." The other two were cancelled unceremoniously.

The first was Buffy and that was great. He parlayed that into 5 seasons of Angel. That's essentially just 12 seasons of one show. So that show was successful. Firefly and Dollhouse were not.

As for Angel, he took 3 characters from Buffy to make that series work, so we can't even make that call. As you said, those were established characters already.
 
2012-12-11 01:17:40 AM  

Surool: simplicimus: The_Six_Fingered_Man: simplicimus: Whedon's had one show that's worked (and a spinoff of that show)

FTFY.

Buffy started off with three characters. Angel started off with 3. Firefly started off with, I don't know, 6 or 7.

Giles makes 4 for Buffy.


True, but he was mostly a bit part for the first season or so, meaning not really involved in the action.
 
2012-12-11 01:21:42 AM  

rynthetyn: Surool: rynthetyn: Balchinian: Benedict Cumberbatch...there really isn't any hiding where you are from with a name like that, is there?

It's the sort of name that P.G. Wodehouse might have thought up for a particularly foppish wealthy young gentleman.

When I started watching Sherlock, I awarded him with the title of "Actor With the Most English Name Ever". He's really good, but it sounds like a name somebody made up for a stereotypical English guy in a romantic comedy.

I believe that when he started acting he was strongly advised to change his name if he wanted to be successful and cast as anything other than upper crust prigs.


Meanwhile his face says Clever Alien Catman.
 
2012-12-11 01:22:56 AM  

simplicimus: True, but he was mostly a bit part for the first season or so, meaning not really involved in the action.


Bullsh*t. He was there all the time. He doesn't have to be in the action scenes to be a main character. What show were you watching?

Shepard Book and River did a lot of sitting around in Firefly, but you counted the whole crew as main characters.

You were mistaken. No big deal.
 
2012-12-11 01:24:55 AM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: simplicimus: The_Six_Fingered_Man: simplicimus: Whedon's had one show that's worked (and a spinoff of that show)

FTFY.

Buffy started off with three characters. Angel started off with 3. Firefly started off with, I don't know, 6 or 7.

I was commenting on the fact that he's had all of 4 TV shows. Two ran their course and can be considered "successful." The other two were cancelled unceremoniously.

The first was Buffy and that was great. He parlayed that into 5 seasons of Angel. That's essentially just 12 seasons of one show. So that show was successful. Firefly and Dollhouse were not.

As for Angel, he took 3 characters from Buffy to make that series work, so we can't even make that call. As you said, those were established characters already.


Angel? We had Angel and Cordelia, demon of the season, and a few seasons in, Spike. I think Spike was the best part of Angel.
 
2012-12-11 01:26:46 AM  

Surool: simplicimus: True, but he was mostly a bit part for the first season or so, meaning not really involved in the action.

Bullsh*t. He was there all the time. He doesn't have to be in the action scenes to be a main character. What show were you watching?

Shepard Book and River did a lot of sitting around in Firefly, but you counted the whole crew as main characters.

You were mistaken. No big deal.


If "Let me read this book" counts, then you are correct.
 
2012-12-11 01:28:00 AM  

simplicimus: Angel? We had Angel and Cordelia, demon of the season, and a few seasons in, Spike. I think Spike was the best part of Angel.


Angel
Cordelia
Wesley
 
2012-12-11 01:38:28 AM  
Did ya ever see the Captain naked?

1.bp.blogspot.com

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-11 01:39:26 AM  
Shut up and make more Sherlock.

Please.
 
2012-12-11 01:41:04 AM  

BalugaJoe: he should have been a black guy.


I don't see how. Both parents of Mr. Cumberbatch are white, as far as I know.
 
2012-12-11 01:49:15 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Harrison
 
This guy?
 
Somehow I think not.  He played minor characters.


I like the idea of it being that character. He's canon, he's in more episodes than Janice Rand, he apparently can run the entire ship, and where's the recognition, Kirk? Huh? No, that idiot Chekov gets all the glory.

I'd want revenge too.
 
2012-12-11 01:49:54 AM  

Lord Dimwit: Shut up and make more Sherlock.

Please.


When Martin Freeman was on Colbert, he said they start filming in March. I think he said March, he might have said April, but in any case, it was one of those spring months.
 
2012-12-11 01:51:48 AM  

Confabulat: Bathia_Mapes: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Harrison
 
This guy?
 
Somehow I think not.  He played minor characters.

I like the idea of it being that character. He's canon, he's in more episodes than Janice Rand, he apparently can run the entire ship, and where's the recognition, Kirk? Huh? No, that idiot Chekov gets all the glory.

I'd want revenge too.


Hey, don't piss off Mr. Bester.
 
2012-12-11 02:00:32 AM  

Lord Dimwit: Shut up and make more Sherlock.

Please.


What he said.
 
2012-12-11 02:19:43 AM  

Confabulat: Bathia_Mapes: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Harrison
 
This guy?
 
Somehow I think not.  He played minor characters.

I like the idea of it being that character. He's canon, he's in more episodes than Janice Rand, he apparently can run the entire ship, and where's the recognition, Kirk? Huh? No, that idiot Chekov gets all the glory.

I'd want revenge too.


Please tell me we don't have to listen to him sing again.
 
2012-12-11 02:31:20 AM  

GAT_00: Confabulat: Bathia_Mapes: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Harrison
 
This guy?
 
Somehow I think not.  He played minor characters.

I like the idea of it being that character. He's canon, he's in more episodes than Janice Rand, he apparently can run the entire ship, and where's the recognition, Kirk? Huh? No, that idiot Chekov gets all the glory.

I'd want revenge too.

Please tell me we don't have to listen to him sing again.


That was Riley.
 
2012-12-11 02:33:18 AM  
Just a quick thought or two...

Since the timeline doesn't splinter until after Khan was created, he still exists in the new timeline and is floating somewhere around space.

However, in the original timeline, they do encounter Khan and maroon him to create his vendetta with Kirk. But that won't happen in this movie per canon since enough time had passed (for the vendetta) that Kirk became an admiral. It would have to be around the intended original encounter with Khan.

So what's to say if that's the case, they aren't taking ideas from TOS episodes and making a full feature film of it...maybe a Harry Mudd or Charlie Evans with a twist.

/Just sayin'
 
2012-12-11 02:49:22 AM  

Snapper Carr: How about

3) He's a wholly original character created by the writers specifically for the new Trek with no relation to any previously established canonical character and his name is actually John Harrison.


The filmmakers have said he's playing a canon character, so taking them at their word, no.

Also of note in TFA is the answer to last week's argument about whether or not the ship emerging from the water was the Enterprise. I hope you're enjoying your meal of crow, several people from that thread.
 
2012-12-11 02:50:27 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: That was Riley.


Has anyone ruled Riley out? Cumberbatch could pull that guy off easy.
 
2012-12-11 03:16:41 AM  

Tsar_Bomba1: Did ya ever see the Captain naked?

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 576x432]

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 320x240]


Holy crap, I never realized until I saw these pics how much Charlie X looks like a Robert Pattinson bobble head.
 
2012-12-11 03:21:49 AM  

Surool: rynthetyn: Balchinian: Benedict Cumberbatch...there really isn't any hiding where you are from with a name like that, is there?

It's the sort of name that P.G. Wodehouse might have thought up for a particularly foppish wealthy young gentleman.

When I started watching Sherlock, I awarded him with the title of "Actor With the Most English Name Ever". He's really good, but it sounds like a name somebody made up for a stereotypical English guy in a romantic comedy.


The guy who plays Rick on Walking Dead is close. His real last name is "Clutterbuck".


rwhamann: I was kind of hoping it was Kodos the Executioner - wicked cool villain name. Then I read the bio on Kodos, and he's not that exciting.


I'm still hoping for Vypron the Insistent. 

/obscure?
 
2012-12-11 03:28:11 AM  
I'm definitely not a Trekkie per say, but I really enjoyed the first go-around with JJ Abrams and I find this whole thread incredibly interesting. Needless to say I'm very excited.
 
2012-12-11 04:43:37 AM  

Will-Mun: 2. Because he's playing/is the primary antagonist of Star Trek and its STAR TREK.


Like I said: Why the fark does anyone care? It's going to be another lens-flair-filled piece of shiat just like the last one.
 
2012-12-11 05:22:46 AM  

Ed Grubermann: Will-Mun: 2. Because he's playing/is the primary antagonist of Star Trek and its STAR TREK.

Like I said: Why the fark does anyone care? It's going to be another lens-flair-filled piece of shiat just like the last one.


Because some of us enjoyed the last movie, and aren't angry dickwads like you grew up.

Do you want the long answer?
 
2012-12-11 05:24:12 AM  
I bet Ed Grubermann can tell us why the last half dozen Trek movies are better than Abrams' version. I bet he'll do it right now.
 
2012-12-11 05:27:00 AM  
Oh what is that, you argue? Most Trek movies suck since you've been alive?

So do Sex and the City movies.

I don't argue about those online.

What is your excuse, since you hate them so much?

Be specific. TOS would want it that way. Compare and contrast with Berman/Braga Trek, or even early TNG Trek.

Where are the glory days, exactly?

BE SPECIFIC
 
2012-12-11 05:29:13 AM  
The only good Star Trek ever is Kirk and Spock.

Sometimes Picard rose above his crappy show but otherwise, not a chance.

JJ Abrams Trek is REAL Star Trek.
 
2012-12-11 05:36:36 AM  

Confabulat: The only good Star Trek ever is Kirk and Spock.

Sometimes Picard rose above his crappy show but otherwise, not a chance.

JJ Abrams Trek is REAL Star Trek.


i have to agree. haters gonna hate.
 
2012-12-11 05:57:29 AM  

simplicimus: I hope Harcort Fenton Mudd is in this movie.


It could be Harry Mudd since everyone is pretty in this universe.
 
2012-12-11 06:12:28 AM  

100 Watt Walrus: The filmmakers have said he's playing a canon character, so taking them at their word, no.


One of these filmmakers is the same guy who said that the people on the island in Lost were simply all dead.
 
2012-12-11 06:30:22 AM  
Alice Eve's character is reportedly Carol Marcus.

Which is admittedly a part of Kirk's life that never was actually shown but just talked about; and his dumbass son barely made a mark on Kirk or the audience before he was offed anyway.

Still, that's a good part of unexplored Trek mythology that probably could use a bit of fleshing out anyway. No one ever thought about Jimmy Kirk Jr. until he popped up suddenly and just got murdered anyway while Kirk listened and got madder.
 
2012-12-11 07:11:36 AM  

Confabulat: Alice Eve's character is reportedly Carol Marcus.


I hate this "showing the first 9 minutes before some other movie" crap. Mainly because I skipped the screening in Austin where they were going to show the beginning of the 2009 movie and then Wrath of Khan, but actually showed the whole movie. I doubt they'd do that with the Hobbit, right?
 
2012-12-11 07:17:01 AM  

some_beer_drinker: bullshiat. it's gary mitchell.


That's my guess too. People in foreign countries who've already seen the 9 minute trailer of ST before The Hobbit say Cumberbatch's character was healing people by touching them. That wouldn't be Khan, but it definitely could have been Mitchell. Khan was never a philanthropist, writing him like that wouldn't have made sense at all. 

/besides, with all the people in the ST Universe, the writers have to go revisit a villain already covered in a movie?
 
2012-12-11 07:26:37 AM  
Noonien Soong.

Book it. Done.
 
2012-12-11 07:37:19 AM  

serial_crusher: Confabulat: Alice Eve's character is reportedly Carol Marcus.

I hate this "showing the first 9 minutes before some other movie" crap. Mainly because I skipped the screening in Austin where they were going to show the beginning of the 2009 movie and then Wrath of Khan, but actually showed the whole movie. I doubt they'd do that with the Hobbit, right?


I like it. JJ Abrams knows that nerds love to guess about stuff, so he just plays these games. I don't mind; it's fun. I guess it annoys a certain sort of person who wants to know everything about a movie before they pirate it, but for the most part, I like how Abrams goes old-school Return of the Jedi style and just messes with the audience cause they want to know.

It's a game. Like a three-dimensional chess match with Spock or Solo. I really hope he's the Harrison from TOS, that's sort of clever and annoying enough to piss off a million Trekkies while they wonder why they are upset over a a trivia question only they could answer might be the Biggest Bad of Trekdom ever.

That's funny.
 
2012-12-11 08:24:04 AM  

moothemagiccow: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: All these articles and rumors are increasingly draining my capacity to care about this film. Why couldn't we have just given the franchise to Joss Whedon?

because none of jj abrams shows got cancelled six episodes in like they should have been.


/ftfy
 
2012-12-11 08:27:33 AM  

simplicimus: moothemagiccow: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: All these articles and rumors are increasingly draining my capacity to care about this film. Why couldn't we have just given the franchise to Joss Whedon?

because none of jj abrams shows got cancelled six episodes in

Whedon's shows that worked started with a small cast of central characters and added other characters gradually were successful . Shows that failed started with a large number of characters. Since everybody knows Star Trek's characters, he might work as a director.


Nope, it was vampires
 
2012-12-11 08:29:39 AM  

Xase: moothemagiccow: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: All these articles and rumors are increasingly draining my capacity to care about this film. Why couldn't we have just given the franchise to Joss Whedon?

because none of jj abrams shows got cancelled six episodes in like they should have been.

/ftfy


Hey now, Lost had a solid 49 episodes.
 
2012-12-11 08:31:37 AM  

Confabulat: The only good Star Trek ever is Kirk and Spock.

Sometimes Picard rose above his crappy show but otherwise, not a chance.

JJ Abrams Trek is REAL Star Trek.


images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-12-11 08:34:19 AM  
John Harrison + Marine Chonometer = Time travel movie.
 
2012-12-11 08:54:39 AM  
Funny how that picture really brings out the contrast between the white walls and coloured uniforms with leatherette boots with buckles.

It's like putting a man in a spacesuit and having him play baseball in a baseball field, it just doesn't look like the two fit together.
 
2012-12-11 09:15:14 AM  
I honestly do not think it would be Khan but it would be cool if they ever do a Khan movie to have Khan be found by another ship, maybe a precursor to the Miranda class U.S.S. Reliant. He takes over that ship since Kirk was not there to stop him and he tries to conquer the galaxy.

Khan could go into hiding and start secretly doing evil things. Maybe have him use his "superior" intellect to start making Augments and have almost a second Eugenics War.
 
2012-12-11 09:18:35 AM  
I think it's clear he'll be playing Kirk's greatest nemesis whose mutual hatred dates back to their academy days, which would be Finnegan.
 
2012-12-11 09:19:08 AM  

Surool: rynthetyn: Balchinian: Benedict Cumberbatch...there really isn't any hiding where you are from with a name like that, is there?

It's the sort of name that P.G. Wodehouse might have thought up for a particularly foppish wealthy young gentleman.

When I started watching Sherlock, I awarded him with the title of "Actor With the Most English Name Ever". He's really good, but it sounds like a name somebody made up for a stereotypical English guy in a romantic comedy.


cdn-images.hollywood.com

Disagrees.
 
2012-12-11 09:35:55 AM  

yves0010: I honestly do not think it would be Khan but it would be cool if they ever do a Khan movie to have Khan be found by another ship, maybe a precursor to the Miranda class U.S.S. Reliant. He takes over that ship since Kirk was not there to stop him and he tries to conquer the galaxy.

Khan could go into hiding and start secretly doing evil things. Maybe have him use his "superior" intellect to start making Augments and have almost a second Eugenics War.


You think Khan would try to take over the galaxy in a Miranda class ship? Really???
 
2012-12-11 09:38:05 AM  

grokca: John Harrison + Marine Chonometer = Time travel movie.


Maybe that's a hint he's Cochrane.

Bendal: Cumberbatch's character was healing people by touching them.


Uh-oh...

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-11 09:41:29 AM  
If the Star Trek featurette before the Hobbitt is as reflexive to the The Dark Knight Rises before M:I Ghost Protocol last year, all the misdirection and lies about the characters are going to be rubbish and the spot on rumors of the internet will be true (e.g., Robin and Talia Al-Ghul).

Ergo, Mitchell.
 
2012-12-11 09:46:55 AM  

Cup Check: yves0010: I honestly do not think it would be Khan but it would be cool if they ever do a Khan movie to have Khan be found by another ship, maybe a precursor to the Miranda class U.S.S. Reliant. He takes over that ship since Kirk was not there to stop him and he tries to conquer the galaxy.

Khan could go into hiding and start secretly doing evil things. Maybe have him use his "superior" intellect to start making Augments and have almost a second Eugenics War.

You think Khan would try to take over the galaxy in a Miranda class ship? Really???


I said precursor to the Miranda class U.S.S. Reliant. Seeing that Starfleet reuses its ship names all the time (See Constitution class U.S.S. Defiant and U.S.S. Intrepid). It could be said that the U.S.S. Reliant could be a Constitution class star ship before being made into a Miranda class. And plus, that little Miranda class managed to do some good damage to the Enterprise in Wrath of Khan.
 
2012-12-11 10:30:31 AM  

yves0010: Cup Check: yves0010: I honestly do not think it would be Khan but it would be cool if they ever do a Khan movie to have Khan be found by another ship, maybe a precursor to the Miranda class U.S.S. Reliant. He takes over that ship since Kirk was not there to stop him and he tries to conquer the galaxy.

Khan could go into hiding and start secretly doing evil things. Maybe have him use his "superior" intellect to start making Augments and have almost a second Eugenics War.

You think Khan would try to take over the galaxy in a Miranda class ship? Really???

I said precursor to the Miranda class U.S.S. Reliant. Seeing that Starfleet reuses its ship names all the time (See Constitution class U.S.S. Defiant and U.S.S. Intrepid). It could be said that the U.S.S. Reliant could be a Constitution class star ship before being made into a Miranda class. And plus, that little Miranda class managed to do some good damage to the Enterprise in Wrath of Khan.


Only because Kirk got caught with his britches down. Which, come to think on it, isn't an unusual situation for Jim...
 
2012-12-11 10:34:14 AM  

Mordo The Black: And plus, that little Miranda class managed to do some good damage to the Enterprise in Wrath of Khan.

Only because Kirk got caught with his britches down. Which, come to think on it, isn't an unusual situation for Jim...


We are all one big, happy fleet!
 
2012-12-11 10:37:03 AM  

Mordo The Black: yves0010: Cup Check: yves0010: I honestly do not think it would be Khan but it would be cool if they ever do a Khan movie to have Khan be found by another ship, maybe a precursor to the Miranda class U.S.S. Reliant. He takes over that ship since Kirk was not there to stop him and he tries to conquer the galaxy.

Khan could go into hiding and start secretly doing evil things. Maybe have him use his "superior" intellect to start making Augments and have almost a second Eugenics War.

You think Khan would try to take over the galaxy in a Miranda class ship? Really???

I said precursor to the Miranda class U.S.S. Reliant. Seeing that Starfleet reuses its ship names all the time (See Constitution class U.S.S. Defiant and U.S.S. Intrepid). It could be said that the U.S.S. Reliant could be a Constitution class star ship before being made into a Miranda class. And plus, that little Miranda class managed to do some good damage to the Enterprise in Wrath of Khan.

Only because Kirk got caught with his britches down. Which, come to think on it, isn't an unusual situation for Jim...


I know, but I am just saying, back in the TOS era, the Miranda class was not a crap ship like it is treated today. It might be a small frigate, but it still packs a punch when needed. And since this is an alt universe, the Miranda class might actually pack even more fire power.
 
2012-12-11 10:45:36 AM  
Mittens? OH, Mitchell...

It's Khan.  Duh.
 
2012-12-11 10:45:40 AM  
I trust that before the week is out we'll have a youtube compilation of every single instance of a character named 'Harrison' appearing on any Star Trek series, ever.

You know, in an attmept to solve this mystery!
 
2012-12-11 10:58:43 AM  

Confabulat: The only good Star Trek ever is Kirk and SpockShatner and Nimoy.

Sometimes Picard rose above his crappy show but otherwise, not a chance.

JJ Abrams Trek is REAL Star Trek average.


FTFY
 
2012-12-11 11:49:14 AM  

some_beer_drinker: bullshiat. it's gary mitchell.


Bullshiat. It's Ben Finney.
 
2012-12-11 11:52:23 AM  

dennysgod: some_beer_drinker: bullshiat. it's gary mitchell.

Not sure how that would work unless they just basically make a 2hr long version of "Where No Man Has Gone Before" but if you watch the trailer there is girl on there who looks a hell of a lot like Elizabeth Dehner, and the fact she shows up twice in such a small clips make me think that, who ever she is, plays a somewhat vital role in this film.


Carol Marcus.
 
2012-12-11 12:05:08 PM  

Arn_Dee: some_beer_drinker: bullshiat. it's gary mitchell.

Bullshiat. It's Ben Finney.


Nah, its Garth of Izar.
 
2012-12-11 12:14:53 PM  

Wellon Dowd: Arn_Dee: some_beer_drinker: bullshiat. it's gary mitchell.

Bullshiat. It's Ben Finney.

Nah, its Garth of Izar.


No, It is the brother of the Gorn that Kirk killed in Arena. He had surgery to make himself look human and learned English, joined Starfleet for the very purpose of killing Kirk.
 
2012-12-11 12:18:28 PM  
Maybe I'm just reading into the casting of Peter Weller too much, but he played John Frederick Paxton, a xenophobic leader of Terra Prime at the end of Enterprise. He also ordered the creation of a Vulcan/Human hybrid clone and threatened to destroy Star Fleet Command if all alien species didn't leave the solar system. He also did not die, but was imprisoned.

Could John Harrison be a second, and successful, Vulcan/Human hybrid who has been mentored at the knee of John Paxton? Granted, the time frame is a bit off, but Spock is both Human and Vulcan and is comparably more long-lived and the combo could account for Harrison's longevity and also his displeyed greater strength. Paxton was also a follower of Colonel Green, another xenophobe who has ties to TNG who has certain Khan-like elements.
 
2012-12-11 12:25:54 PM  

yves0010: Wellon Dowd: Arn_Dee: some_beer_drinker: bullshiat. it's gary mitchell.

Bullshiat. It's Ben Finney.

Nah, its Garth of Izar.

No, It is the brother of the Gorn that Kirk killed in Arena. He had surgery to make himself look human and learned English, joined Starfleet for the very purpose of killing Kirk.


But Cumberbatch looks more like this guy:

www.startrek.com
 
2012-12-11 12:27:55 PM  

Confabulat: Alice Eve's character is reportedly Carol Marcus.

Which is admittedly a part of Kirk's life that never was actually shown but just talked about; and his dumbass son barely made a mark on Kirk or the audience before he was offed anyway.

Still, that's a good part of unexplored Trek mythology that probably could use a bit of fleshing out anyway. No one ever thought about Jimmy Kirk Jr. until he popped up suddenly and just got murdered anyway while Kirk listened and got madder.


Hey.....

Notice any similiarities?

images2.wikia.nocookie.net

www.hollywoodreporter.com

What if "John Harrison" is Kirk's son from the future?

He would be playing a 'canon character', and he's come back to get revenge on Kirk for abandoning
his mother or some such?

It would also allow the IDW STAR TREK comic to exist in the new continuity without contradiction.

Granted, the re-use of time travel in yet another STAR TREK movie is depressing, but it would not be
surprising since time travel has been all the rage in SF movies for the past few years due to the
success of the resurrected DOCTOR WHO, and it would not surprise me one bit if Paramount decreed
that they keep using time travel because its 'hot' right now.

I loved the first Abrams TREK, and am looking forward to this, but if this is the tack they are taking
then I am VERY worried for the quality of this and future movies.
 
2012-12-11 12:32:46 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: Confabulat: Alice Eve's character is reportedly Carol Marcus.

Which is admittedly a part of Kirk's life that never was actually shown but just talked about; and his dumbass son barely made a mark on Kirk or the audience before he was offed anyway.

Still, that's a good part of unexplored Trek mythology that probably could use a bit of fleshing out anyway. No one ever thought about Jimmy Kirk Jr. until he popped up suddenly and just got murdered anyway while Kirk listened and got madder.

Hey.....

Notice any similiarities?

[images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 290x370]

[www.hollywoodreporter.com image 349x466]

What if "John Harrison" is Kirk's son from the future?

He would be playing a 'canon character', and he's come back to get revenge on Kirk for abandoning
his mother or some such?

It would also allow the IDW STAR TREK comic to exist in the new continuity without contradiction.

Granted, the re-use of time travel in yet another STAR TREK movie is depressing, but it would not be
surprising since time travel has been all the rage in SF movies for the past few years due to the
success of the resurrected DOCTOR WHO, and it would not surprise me one bit if Paramount decreed
that they keep using time travel because its 'hot' right now.

I loved the first Abrams TREK, and am looking forward to this, but if this is the tack they are taking
then I am VERY worried for the quality of this and future movies.


I can assure you, they are not. Time travel is unlikely to be in this movie. However, the consequences of time travel from the previous outing probably will.
 
2012-12-11 12:33:03 PM  
Crap!

Judson Scott didn't play Kirk's son David, Merritt Butrick did.

Still:

www.wearysloth.com

There is a resemblance, isn't there?

/Didn't know he dies of AIDS in '89.
 
2012-12-11 12:34:32 PM  

coeyagi: I loved the first Abrams TREK, and am looking forward to this, but if this is the tack they are taking
then I am VERY worried for the quality of this and future movies.

I can assure you, they are not. Time travel is unlikely to be in this movie. However, the consequences of time travel from the previous outing probably will.


May the Great Bird grant you are correct, sir.
 
2012-12-11 12:38:38 PM  
Wrong sci-fi franchise, Benedict. I think you'd do better in a spaceship that's more box-like. And Blue. And bigger on the inside.

Personally, I think he'd make a damn good Doctor.
 
2012-12-11 12:54:51 PM  

DeltaX: Wrong sci-fi franchise, Benedict. I think you'd do better in a spaceship that's more box-like. And Blue. And bigger on the inside.

Personally, I think he'd make a damn good Doctor.


There is a rumour that Cumberbatch was offered the role and turned it down, but both Moffat and
Cumberbatch have denied it.

There is also a rumour that Cumberbatch will play the Master in future series, but I suspect that's just
fan wankery.
 
2012-12-11 01:11:16 PM  

Cup Check: Just a quick thought or two...

Since the timeline doesn't splinter until after Khan was created, he still exists in the new timeline and is floating somewhere around space.

However, in the original timeline, they do encounter Khan and maroon him to create his vendetta with Kirk. But that won't happen in this movie per canon since enough time had passed (for the vendetta) that Kirk became an admiral. It would have to be around the intended original encounter with Khan.

So what's to say if that's the case, they aren't taking ideas from TOS episodes and making a full feature film of it...maybe a Harry Mudd or Charlie Evans with a twist.

/Just sayin'


You know, this brings up an interesting possibility: It BC is Khan, then he still has a vendetta, it just isn't with Kirk, specifically. Rather, it's with Earth in general, who had him deposed and forced him to flee into space. This lets the "I have returned" line from the teaser still work.
 
2012-12-11 01:35:49 PM  

Confabulat: Oh what is that, you argue? Most Trek movies suck since you've been alive?

So do Sex and the City movies.

I don't argue about those online.

What is your excuse, since you hate them so much?

Be specific. TOS would want it that way. Compare and contrast with Berman/Braga Trek, or even early TNG Trek.

Where are the glory days, exactly?

BE SPECIFIC


You know, I think the three "main" series are good, but each has their different strengths.

TOS has the best lead characters - the Kirk/Spock/McCoy triumvirate is the best set of relationships in the entire franchise. They also have the best uniforms. The "rank on the sleeves" approach isn't as intuitive as the collar dots of TNG, but the color schemes and general tailoring are top-notch - way above the bland, shapeless outfits of TNG (and after).

TNG has the best ensemble cast - they really feel like a "crew," and there's some really good episodes fleshing out their off-duty lives and interests. TNG also had the best, most consistent quality of episodes. There's some stinkers, but on average, the bar is pretty high.

DS9 has the best plot arcs - really, the whole Dominion War thing is pretty solid. It also gets points for being the first Trek to have some really dark leads (no pun intended). TOS and TNG had squeaky-clean protagonists, but DS9 wasn't afraid to feature characters who got their hands dirty.

Voyager was hamstrung by terrible writing and terrible supporting characters (Neelix? Chakotay? At least Harry Kim was interesting in a "what a pathetic loser" kind of way). The basic concept of the show was pretty cool, but it failed to deliver on the execution.

Enterprise... well, the less said about it the better.

/Not really being fair to Enterprise - I never even watched a complete episode. I just was wholly uninterested in the concept, and burnt out from Voyager.
 
2012-12-11 01:50:11 PM  
John Harrison...

Hmm...

Could it possibly be another alias for...

HARCOURT FENTON MUDD?
 
2012-12-11 02:14:23 PM  

coeyagi: If the Star Trek featurette before the Hobbitt is as reflexive to the The Dark Knight Rises before M:I Ghost Protocol last year, all the misdirection and lies about the characters are going to be rubbish and the spot on rumors of the internet will be true (e.g., Robin and Talia Al-Ghul).

Ergo, Mitchell.


Michell? I got yer Gary Mitchell right here (along with some Charlie Evans).
 
2012-12-11 02:33:32 PM  
i732.photobucket.com

No love for Gary Seven? Might explain Alice Eve as the blond sidekick??
 
2012-12-11 03:22:54 PM  
I've given up on trying to explain that just because they might be reusing some characters - like Khan - does not mean they are rehashing The Wrath Of Khan plot point for plot point.

Because of the time travel that started the last film, they now have a clean slate to work with, other than what was established in the last film(Vulcan go boom, etc). So they can take a character, say, like Khan, and build a new storyline around him.

/waits for the fountain of nerd rage for trying to justify what Abrahms is doings.
 
2012-12-11 03:50:42 PM  
Maybe he's Jack the Ripper
 
2012-12-11 04:21:05 PM  

puckrock2000: Michell? I got yer Gary Mitchell right here (along with some Charlie Evans).


Gonna watch this now with a doobie, cheers.
 
2012-12-11 05:00:32 PM  

skodabunny: puckrock2000: Michell? I got yer Gary Mitchell right here (along with some Charlie Evans).

Gonna watch this now with a doobie, cheers.


Okay, I'm just coming back to say how this is really bad btw. Really, REALLY bad. If you like Star Trek, this'll damn well cure of it.
 
2012-12-11 05:41:32 PM  

StrikitRich: [i732.photobucket.com image 720x530]

No love for Gary Seven? Might explain Alice Eve as the blond sidekick??


Alice Eve is Carol Marcus.
 
2012-12-11 06:43:12 PM  

peterthx: StrikitRich: [i732.photobucket.com image 720x530]

No love for Gary Seven? Might explain Alice Eve as the blond sidekick??

Alice Eve is Carol Marcus.


Really? Doesn't say so on IMDB.

The whole thing is a work, IMO
 
2012-12-11 06:45:36 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Harrison
 
This guy?
 
Somehow I think not.  He played minor characters.


Mein Gott im Himmel, it IS this guy! Or rather, an imposter Augment assuming his identity, hell bent on revenge for the of his father, KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN.
 
2012-12-11 07:35:01 PM  
I still think it's Q. But you know... an evil Q.
 
2012-12-11 07:47:10 PM  

ramen_for_all: I still think it's Q. But you know... an evil Q.


Seems pretty unlikely, as according to the existing canon the Q can only be harmed (let alone killed) by other Q. Only a mischievous Q that leaves whenever he gets bored would work--and I don't think any director could develop a plot for a full-length movie out of just that.
 
2012-12-11 08:36:58 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: Confabulat: Alice Eve's character is reportedly Carol Marcus.

Which is admittedly a part of Kirk's life that never was actually shown but just talked about; and his dumbass son barely made a mark on Kirk or the audience before he was offed anyway.

Still, that's a good part of unexplored Trek mythology that probably could use a bit of fleshing out anyway. No one ever thought about Jimmy Kirk Jr. until he popped up suddenly and just got murdered anyway while Kirk listened and got madder.

Hey.....

Notice any similiarities?

[images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 290x370]

[www.hollywoodreporter.com image 349x466]

What if "John Harrison" is Kirk's son from the future?

He would be playing a 'canon character', and he's come back to get revenge on Kirk for abandoning
his mother or some such?

It would also allow the IDW STAR TREK comic to exist in the new continuity without contradiction.

Granted, the re-use of time travel in yet another STAR TREK movie is depressing, but it would not be
surprising since time travel has been all the rage in SF movies for the past few years due to the
success of the resurrected DOCTOR WHO, and it would not surprise me one bit if Paramount decreed
that they keep using time travel because its 'hot' right now.

I loved the first Abrams TREK, and am looking forward to this, but if this is the tack they are taking
then I am VERY worried for the quality of this and future movies.


The guy at the top actually really resembles Peter Weller, who is in this movie, but has not been shown in the trailers at all. His character has been described as a "senior adviser" to Cumberbatch's villain.

That being said, this is all misdirection. Cumberbatch is Garth of Izar. The Enterprise will meet him much earlier on the timeline and be directly involved in stopping his coup to destroy the Federation and rule the galaxy rather than meeting him years later after he's confined to a mental institution.
 
2012-12-11 08:37:35 PM  
It isn't Kahn, and here's why:

In the trailer, at one point you see "Mr. X." wearing a shirt with a starfleet emblem on it. It appears to be a casual shirt, not part of a uniform or a ruse. Kahn, as we know him from the TV show and movies, has an ego large enough that it probably wouldn't let him wear the insignia of the federation in his moment of presumed triumph while sitting in the captian's chair of whatever vessel that was, unless it was part of a ruse. He's not just going to be stting around like that having a nice quiet chat with Kirk in a starfleet undershirt. No, thats the move of someone who was in starfleet, got a bunch of rocks dropped on their crazy psychic head, is understandably somewhat annoyed about it, and has decided to return for the best kind of revenge there is: Strategic Gas Release in the Captain's Chair when no one is looking.
 
2012-12-11 08:38:35 PM  

StrikitRich: peterthx: StrikitRich: [i732.photobucket.com image 720x530]

No love for Gary Seven? Might explain Alice Eve as the blond sidekick??

Alice Eve is Carol Marcus.

Really? Doesn't say so on IMDB.

The whole thing is a work, IMO


I trust the production team at Bad Robot rather than the user-edited IMDB.
Link
 
2012-12-11 08:55:16 PM  
It's not Khan. He's super-humanly strong in the trailer, and while Khan was enhanced and super smart, he wasn't physically enhanced as far as I remember.
 
2012-12-11 09:07:11 PM  

Surool: rynthetyn: Balchinian: Benedict Cumberbatch...there really isn't any hiding where you are from with a name like that, is there?

It's the sort of name that P.G. Wodehouse might have thought up for a particularly foppish wealthy young gentleman.

When I started watching Sherlock, I awarded him with the title of "Actor With the Most English Name Ever".


Second only to Wesley Snipes.
 
2012-12-11 09:17:40 PM  

Kaolian: It isn't Kahn, and here's why:.


BECAUSE THERE'S NO ONE IN STAR TREK NAMED "KAHN" THAT'S WHY!

3.bp.blogspot.com

/pet peeve: K-H-A-N
//it's on the goddamn box!
 
2012-12-11 09:26:08 PM  
trekgueststars.pski.net[/mg]
 
2012-12-11 09:53:28 PM  

Erix: It's not Khan. He's super-humanly strong in the trailer, and while Khan was enhanced and super smart, he wasn't physically enhanced as far as I remember.


Khan had super human strength, as I recall.
 
2012-12-11 10:04:58 PM  

peterthx: Kaolian: It isn't Kahn, and here's why:.

BECAUSE THERE'S NO ONE IN STAR TREK NAMED "KAHN" THAT'S WHY!

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 214x320]

/pet peeve: K-H-A-N
//it's on the goddamn box!


I hear that people who obsess over the admittedly poor spelling skills of others are compensating for toxic foot odor issues.
 
2012-12-11 10:18:45 PM  

chewielouie: Digitalstrange: Renegade Pervert: GAT_00: texdent: Might want to warn them about the Borg too, maybe even Q.

I wouldn't. Warning them about Q means he doesn't test Picard, which means we don't get advance warning of the Borg so we can prepare. Without Q, the Borg flatten us in months when they get to us.

If memory serves, the Borg only knew about humanity because of Q?

Q introduced the Borg to Starfleet earlier than they would have reached humanity in the normal course of events but it's pretty clear he did so because he believed Picard and Co were the best chance to stop them. He tampered with history to help Starfleet, arguably because of his affection for the Enterprise-D crew.

Huh? I think it's pretty clear he was being an asshole. The Federation lost countless lives due to their war with the Borg. Further, it wasn't Picard and Co who were the best chance to stop them, nor Sisko and Co. It was Janeway.


...okay yeah, I guess you could make that argument, but thats only because she was the (wo)man on the scene, as it were, and furthermo-

/Janeway > Picard > Sisko


*record scratch*
www.polyvore.com
 
2012-12-11 10:20:30 PM  

Confabulat: Erix: It's not Khan. He's super-humanly strong in the trailer, and while Khan was enhanced and super smart, he wasn't physically enhanced as far as I remember.

Khan had super human strength, as I recall.


Hm.. it's been a while since I saw it, but I just thought he was essentially peak human, not beyond human. I'll take your word for it though.
 
2012-12-11 10:23:53 PM  

lamecomedian: Enterprise... well, the less said about it the better.

/Not really being fair to Enterprise - I never even watched a complete episode. I just was wholly uninterested in the concept, and burnt out from Voyager.


It does have its moments... In season 4 after that whole Temporal Cold War BS... I loved the Tera Prime story. That was some really good Star Trek.
 
2012-12-11 11:01:30 PM  

Confabulat: Erix: It's not Khan. He's super-humanly strong in the trailer, and while Khan was enhanced and super smart, he wasn't physically enhanced as far as I remember.

Khan had super human strength, as I recall.


In the original series, Dr. McCoy told Kirk that Khan could easily pick up both of them with one hand. Later in the same episode, Khan tore open a locked door on the Enterprise, and punched a red shirt so hard that the guard flew backwards and bounced off a wall.

In Star Trek II Khan picked up a fully grown Starfleet officer with one hand. The officer was wearing a heavy space/encounter suit at the time. Khan had eugenically enhanced strength.

I don't know if it will be Khan in the next movie, but my guess/hunch/stupid theory is that the Eugenics Wars will be a prominent part of the story. 

/Executive nerd.
 
2012-12-11 11:07:20 PM  

Kaolian: peterthx: Kaolian: It isn't Kahn, and here's why:.

BECAUSE THERE'S NO ONE IN STAR TREK NAMED "KAHN" THAT'S WHY!

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 214x320]

/pet peeve: K-H-A-N
//it's on the goddamn box!

I hear that people who obsess over the admittedly poor spelling reading skills of others are compensating for toxic foot mouth odor issues of others.


FIFY
 
2012-12-11 11:27:43 PM  
No, No. it was fine the way it was. But thanks for the effort stinkytoes!
 
2012-12-11 11:32:24 PM  

Summer Glau's Love Slave: Confabulat: Erix: It's not Khan. He's super-humanly strong in the trailer, and while Khan was enhanced and super smart, he wasn't physically enhanced as far as I remember.

Khan had super human strength, as I recall.

In the original series, Dr. McCoy told Kirk that Khan could easily pick up both of them with one hand. Later in the same episode, Khan tore open a locked door on the Enterprise, and punched a red shirt so hard that the guard flew backwards and bounced off a wall.

In Star Trek II Khan picked up a fully grown Starfleet officer with one hand. The officer was wearing a heavy space/encounter suit at the time. Khan had eugenically enhanced strength.

I don't know if it will be Khan in the next movie, but my guess/hunch/stupid theory is that the Eugenics Wars will be a prominent part of the story. 

/Executive nerd.


Ah. Well then, yeah, you're probably right. If it was one of the characters with crazy god-like telekinetic powers, he probably wouldn't be beating people with big pieces of metal in his hands as the trailer shows. That's kind of disappointing, I was actually hoping for an original enemy in this one. I guess that after totally farking with the timeline in the first movie, they wanted to show they aren't completely tossing out the original material.
 
2012-12-12 01:39:06 AM  
i cant believe how many of you tards still think it's khan after i repeatedly told you it's gary mitchell. c'mon man.
 
2012-12-12 02:06:29 AM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-12 02:18:17 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 432x288]


Any nerds resolve whether he was a young Q or some other omnipotent species?
 
2012-12-12 03:19:12 AM  

some_beer_drinker: i cant believe how many of you tards still think it's khan after i repeatedly told you it's gary mitchell. c'mon man.


If I had a nickel for every story some beer drinker told me something they swore was the truth...
 
2012-12-12 07:42:42 AM  

peterthx: StrikitRich: peterthx: StrikitRich: [i732.photobucket.com image 720x530]

No love for Gary Seven? Might explain Alice Eve as the blond sidekick??

Alice Eve is Carol Marcus.

Really? Doesn't say so on IMDB.

The whole thing is a work, IMO

I trust the production team at Bad Robot rather than the user-edited IMDB.
Link


Methinks we'll be seeing a Deltan in the film.
 
2012-12-12 10:30:47 AM  

simplicimus: StoPPeRmobile: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 432x288]

Any nerds resolve whether he was a young Q or some other omnipotent species?


images4.wikia.nocookie.net

He's a renegade Q.
 
2012-12-12 11:17:08 AM  

puckrock2000: simplicimus: StoPPeRmobile: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 432x288]

Any nerds resolve whether he was a young Q or some other omnipotent species?

[images4.wikia.nocookie.net image 282x432]

He's a renegade Q.


One of the better ST books, IMO. They did a good job, and it fits very well with both series.
 
2012-12-12 05:17:32 PM  
Perhaps Cumberbatch is Joachim, and Peter Weller is Khan..
 
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