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2012-12-11 12:09:28 AM  
3 votes:
Is it ridiculous to pay $50 for something you could buy for $5? Yes.

Is it ridiculous to not sell something for $50 wen you bought it for $5, if some idiot didn't read the first Q&A? Yes.
2012-12-10 11:45:51 PM  
3 votes:
"Our One-Of-A-Kind Vintage collection is a curated selection of vintage items that our buyers have found throughout their travels from various cities and locations."

Oh, I'll bet they curate the crap out of it. "Vinnie! Cut open that new bale of clothes that just got dumped on the loading dock."
2012-12-10 11:42:36 PM  
3 votes:
Hipster claiming there's no such thing as hipsters in 3...2...1...
2012-12-10 08:46:33 PM  
3 votes:
All goods are worth what people are willing to pay for them.

Inflation is the child of idiots.
2012-12-11 01:58:57 AM  
2 votes:

Fano: A hipster can be defined by liking things for ironic purposes only. Value in their eyes is determined by liking things because they are "lame" or "square" or "uncool." Obscurity helps. Step 2 is defining an ingroup of other people that like things in an ironic fashion. Not to embrace kitsch or retro on its own merits. Thus the circle is squared.


I actually read the best description of hipsters in this thread once upon a time. I'll repost for emphasis:


At the base of hipsterism is the search for "authenticity" in the existentialist sense -being true to themselves despite external pressure- and an idea that their own contemporary culture is inauthentic. But not everyone who seeks authenticity outside the mainstream is a hipster: the key ingredient is the idea that authenticity is something you can get from somebody else: mimed, traded for, or bought outright. The theory goes that by doing what "authentic" people do and not doing what "inauthentic" people do, one will eventually become authentic.

The thing about hipsters is that they seek "authenticity" (in the existentialist sense: being true to one's self despite external pressure), but they think authenticity is something that can be mimed, but they also think that their own contemporary culture is hopelessly inauthentic. By doing what "authentic" people do and avoiding what "inauthentic" people do, the theory goes, they too will eventually find their own authenticity.

Almost any non-hipster can tell you that this is absurd, but it is key to understanding how hipsters work: they have a massive blind spot with respect to their own inauthenticity. They look outside themselves to find something authentic, spot it in another culture and/or time period, and take on the trappings of what they have found. That's an inherently inauthentic thing to do, but the hipsters don't get that.

Eventually, though, pop culture -which has always been fascinated by hipsters and their predecessors- picks up on the latest thing, and starts doing it themselves. Now the hipsters can see the inauthenticity, because "inauthentic" people are doing it too. But rather than seeing the inauthenticity in their own actions, they blame the thing itself, claiming that it has become inauthentic (or, to use a popular term, "sold out"): a thing that is rarely if ever true. The hipsters then abandon their old pursuit and look for the next authentic thing to mime.

This is why hipsters cannot create. Creating things is, in and of itself, a demonstration that the creator understands something critical: that authenticity comes from within. You cannot understand this and be a hipster; it will either stop you from miming others' authenticity in the first place, or it will stop you from seeing what you're doing in those terms, which in turn prevent you from fleeing ahead of the mainstream tide.
2012-12-11 12:28:19 AM  
2 votes:
As much as I like to hate on the hipster crowd in my area, what they've been replaced with as the rents have risen is the worst sort of frat boy "bro" club. We still have plenty of great establishments for cheap beer off the beaten path, and the hipster crowd is opening up more places to drink as they get displaced to Logan Square (I never leave the Boiler Room sober), but I'll take skinny jeans and fixies weaving in and out of traffic at night with no lights or reflectors while riding with earbuds on Western and Ashland over "dude! man! let's get farked up and puke!" any day of the week.

/Wicker Park, Chicago.
2012-12-11 12:00:03 AM  
2 votes:

JohnAnnArbor: Fano: Abox: Hipster claiming there's no such thing as hipsters in 3...2...1...

Let me head off that bullshiat by giving an easy definition of a hipster that does not include mention of specific items of clothing or objects they carry:

A hipster can be defined by liking things for ironic purposes only. Value in their eyes is determined by liking things because they are "lame" or "square" or "uncool." Obscurity helps. Step 2 is defining an ingroup of other people that like things in an ironic fashion. Not to embrace kitsch or retro on its own merits. Thus the circle is squared.

But they have to like the SAME things, right? Or are the hipster friends expected to each have mutually-exclusive interests?

/We need anthropologists to study this question.


Hipster is like twins, it usually skips a generation.

Person 1 likes a new band and is a hipster because the new band is obscure. You probably haven't heard of them.
Person 2 starts liking the band, is a poser. Person 1 liked that band before they sold out.
Person 3 starts liking the band and is a hipster because they are ironically liking a band that only posers like.
2012-12-10 11:55:25 PM  
2 votes:
It IS WORTH $50..... they went out and picked through all kinds of shiat to find it. People who think they should be able to purchase things at wholesale bother me. There is a cost associated with finding the stuff and shipping it, etc...

That being said, if you are such a loser that you can't go to ACTUAL yardsales to by your shiat and instead hit UO because you have no actual knowledge of style....... well then, you are a douchebag.
2012-12-10 11:51:20 PM  
2 votes:
"Our One-Of-A-Kind Vintage collection is a curated..."

OK, I can now totally hate this. Choosing crap not curating.

/ Brother is an actual curator
// Of museum items you have likely gazed upon
2012-12-10 11:50:14 PM  
2 votes:

Abox: Hipster claiming there's no such thing as hipsters in 3...2...1...


Dude. I live in Portland. Hipsters exist, I know many and probably would be called one by most of Fark. I just don't know any who shop at Urban Outfitters.
2012-12-10 11:48:26 PM  
2 votes:
Also, Thrift Shop. (NSFW lyrics)
2012-12-10 11:43:59 PM  
2 votes:
Selling old clothes as "vintage" is wrong and new?

How?
2012-12-10 11:21:46 PM  
2 votes:
I don't generally shop at Urban Outfitters but I'm okay with this. I hate taking the time in Goodwill/Salvation Army/Random thrift store and sorting through all the clothes attempting to find something I like, in my size, and also in wearable condition. I want to walk in, maybe do quick browse (15 minutes, tops) and leave. Preferably without needing to try on clothes as well. I hate clothes shopping.
2012-12-11 11:43:39 AM  
1 votes:

The Voice of Sarcastic Reason: In which case, what does it mean to be true to yourself?


It means be honest about what you're wearing, what you're liking, and what you're interested in. Don't fake a pet interest or style just because you want to be separate and different from everyone else. It outs you as a poseur for one thing, and moreover it gives off the indication that you are not liking things for their own sake but as a means to an end..... peer approval/acceptance or to associate with a specific group.

The Voice of Sarcastic Reason: What if your true self is a person who seeks to mime, buy, or trade for authenticity?


This is like when Elim Garak in DS9 told Julian Bashir: "Everything I say is true, especially the lies." Because lies are a form of truth, if you're being true in lying about them.

Or if you want to define it in Boolean logic, you can evaluate whether a false statement is true. It is true that it is false, but just because the validity of the statement is true does not mean that it is not true.

What I'm trying to say is -- no. You cannot mime other styles and call it your own style of "miming other styles". It'd be like a painter cutting out parts of other paintings and putting them on his canvas and calling it an original painting. Yes, the collage is a valued form of art, but it is not an original painting if you did not paint it.

That is what hipsters are doing. They are mistaking the aesthetics of the style for the intent.
2012-12-11 07:49:07 AM  
1 votes:
While I'm nowhere near a "hipster" lifestyle/mindset, I have been doing this for years buying at the local Goodwill/Salvation army and reselling on eBay for markup and profit. You'ld be amazed at what you can find, last week I picked up two A&F and Hollister sweatshirts from Goodwill for $4 each. They still had the original pricetag on there with one marked at $29.99. I pulled the tag off and sold it on eBay for $40 +shipping BIN and it sold within 6 hours.

I typically stick to clothes because it's easier to ship and you can offer deals like combined shipping, but I have found some good deals on watches and small electronics (picked up two like-new Nintendo 3DS units, both for the price I'd pay for one new in the store, and 5 games for the kids.

I see nothing wrong with this, what I see is people too lazy to do their own research and find things like thrift stores or who think they're too good to goto garage sale/yard sales.

There are stores out here called Plato's Closet, that will buy back "gently used" clothing and turn around and re-sell them. They only take name-brand clothes however (A&F, Hollister, etc. No Walmart/Samsclub stuff is even looked at)

They turn around and sell that stuff for crazy prices (but still well below the "new" price you'ld pay at any of those retailers)
2012-12-11 03:49:01 AM  
1 votes:

Gawdzila: arghyematey: Gawdzila: arghyematey: You don't have to be a hipster to like to look nice.

That's hipster-level irony, right there. LOL XD

If I were a hipster, would I be posting on Fark? Fark is decidedly un-hip. I'm just a nerd who happens to like fashion.

I didn't suggest that you were a hipster, necessarily, I only meant that there was irony in implying that hipsters "look nice".


Oh, gotcha. Although I will say, at least hipsters (and goths, and preps, and [enter sub-genre here]) try to look... something. I'd rather have people be dressed outlandishly than roll out of bed and throw on sweatpants, a ratty old shirt, and flip flops. Hell, wear Halloween costumes every day of the year- at least it's interesting.
2012-12-11 02:30:59 AM  
1 votes:

The Dog Ate My Homework: I never really understood all the anti-hipster sentiment on fark.

That is, until the other night when I found myself in a local brewery completely filled with hipsters. I honestly wanted to start kicking people in the nuts. It's really that annoying. Frankly I'm amazed I ever got in the place without cuffed skinny jeans, thick plastic-rimmed glasses, and a secondhand fedora.


There seems to be two distinctly different, shall we say, "styles" of hipster.
One is that subtype that can all be described the way you did: skinny jeans, glasses, etc.
The other is the kind that takes their fetish for ironic / obscure things into the clothing realm as well. They have no uniform, per se, but can be identified by the ridiculosity level of their outfit. Even beyond shopping at thrift stores or some local designer you've never heard of, the things they wear are ironic because nobody in their right farking mind would wear them. A Canadian fur hat with a tank top, or cutoff shorts with an ugly knit sweater? Scarves in any given weather, or a dude wearing a dress with a beret? Hipsters are like the Rule 34 for clothing: if you can think of it, a hipster has worn it. I know more than one person who lives in a hipster-dense area that plays the game "costume or outfit?".

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2012-12-11 02:23:21 AM  
1 votes:

Fano: A hipster can be defined by liking things for ironic purposes only. Value in their eyes is determined by liking things because they are "lame" or "square" or "uncool." Obscurity helps. Step 2 is defining an ingroup of other people that like things in an ironic fashion.


Is something cool because it is inherently cool, or because cool people like it? i.e., is coolness objective or relative?

If coolness is objective, then the liking of something ironically (being a thing) is itself objectively cool or uncool, which leaves four possibilities depending on the coolness of the original thing (for simplicity, say each hipster only likes one thing ironically).

Cool thing the ironic liking of which is also cool (impossible by definition since hipsters only ironically like uncool things)
Cool thing the ironic liking of which is uncool (paradoxical meta-hipster)
Uncool thing the ironic liking of which is cool (classic hipster)
Uncool thing the ironic liking of which is uncool (the hipster's hipster, the meta-hipster)

Now, does a particular hipster care what other people think of their hipsterism? i.e. is a particular hipster a solitary hipster, or a 'hipster disciple'? This can't affect the objective coolness of anything, since people could in principle think differently (unless you don't believe in free will).

Consider the classical hipster: do he believe his hipsterism is cool, or uncool? i.e., is he a classic hipster who thinks he is a meta-hipster, or a meta-hipster who thinks he is a classic hipster? Or has he correctly self-categorized?

Assuming correct self-categorization, is he happy with his lot? Unhappy meta-hipsters will tend to form groups, to create a supportive environment where the can safely delude themselves into thinking they are cool. Unhappy classic hipsters will tend to self-isolate, most easily achieved by placing a higher value on obscurity.

Happy classic hipsters will also tend to self-isolate, and happy meta-hipsters may form groups, although the dual uncoolness of their hipsterism is likely to inhibit group-formation, plus there probably aren't that many of them.

Thus I present to you (given the assumptions above), the Hipster Disciple Conjecture: an in-group of hipsters is most likely to consist of unhappy classic hipsters, or meta-hipster wannabes.
2012-12-11 02:16:44 AM  
1 votes:

Ishkur: Fano: A hipster can be defined by liking things for ironic purposes only. Value in their eyes is determined by liking things because they are "lame" or "square" or "uncool." Obscurity helps. Step 2 is defining an ingroup of other people that like things in an ironic fashion. Not to embrace kitsch or retro on its own merits. Thus the circle is squared.

I actually read the best description of hipsters in this thread once upon a time. I'll repost for emphasis:


At the base of hipsterism is the search for "authenticity" in the existentialist sense -being true to themselves despite external pressure- and an idea that their own contemporary culture is inauthentic. But not everyone who seeks authenticity outside the mainstream is a hipster: the key ingredient is the idea that authenticity is something you can get from somebody else: mimed, traded for, or bought outright. The theory goes that by doing what "authentic" people do and not doing what "inauthentic" people do, one will eventually become authentic.

The thing about hipsters is that they seek "authenticity" (in the existentialist sense: being true to one's self despite external pressure), but they think authenticity is something that can be mimed, but they also think that their own contemporary culture is hopelessly inauthentic. By doing what "authentic" people do and avoiding what "inauthentic" people do, the theory goes, they too will eventually find their own authenticity.

Almost any non-hipster can tell you that this is absurd, but it is key to understanding how hipsters work: they have a massive blind spot with respect to their own inauthenticity. They look outside themselves to find something authentic, spot it in another culture and/or time period, and take on the trappings of what they have found. That's an inherently inauthentic thing to do, but the hipsters don't get that.

Eventually, though, pop culture -which has always been fascinated by hipsters and their predecessors- picks up on the latest thing ...


That is a perfect description. I feel humbled by my attempt to circumvent a Hipster debate thread based on what I considered first principles. Your data should be posted in every Hipster thread, as it is entirely accurate. I don't hate them; I haven't run into enough of them to get that visceral feeling. I pity such folks that have such a worldview.
2012-12-11 02:16:28 AM  
1 votes:

BigJake: ToDarkSoulNoHope: I think the only reason I survived my trip to Williamsburg is because I was fully "Goth'd out" when I decided to venture there (I still felt like a fish out of water, with how the people acted around me). They still didn't let me modify the cheeseburger I ordered.

To be fair, no one knows what the fark a "dark cheeseburger" is


They didn't know what a "plain cheeseburger" was either. The topping they used didn't come off easy, it looked like cooked spinach out of the can, though the menu claimed a more exotic title for the foodstuff. So I ate it whole, my mouth didn't approve. I should have gone to a Kosher shop a few blocks away in the Orthodox section; I wouldn't been able to get a cheeseburger but at least they know what "plain" means (or with "just ketchup").
2012-12-11 02:07:53 AM  
1 votes:
To

DarkSoulNoHope: I think the only reason I survived my trip to Williamsburg is because I was fully "Goth'd out" when I decided to venture there (I still felt like a fish out of water, with how the people acted around me). They still didn't let me modify the cheeseburger I ordered.


To be fair, no one knows what the fark a "dark cheeseburger" is
2012-12-11 01:44:21 AM  
1 votes:

The Dog Ate My Homework: I never really understood all the anti-hipster sentiment on fark.

That is, until the other night when I found myself in a local brewery completely filled with hipsters. I honestly wanted to start kicking people in the nuts. It's really that annoying. Frankly I'm amazed I ever got in the place without cuffed skinny jeans, thick plastic-rimmed glasses, and a secondhand fedora. Maybe they just wanted to laugh at the normal guy with a real job. In which case I say, laugh away.


I was that 'normal guy' two weeks ago at The Brooklyn Bowl, which is around the corner from the Brooklyn Brewery. Unlike you, I don't care. I'm old-ish and I have earned the privilege of being uncool. The folks there were nice enough, but I did get the sense of "c'mon, really?" at what they were charging for stuff. Lanes there go for $25/half hour for example.
2012-12-11 01:19:12 AM  
1 votes:
I'm sure they're not buying them from "flea markets and yard sales" but rather from second-hand clothing dealers who buy and sell this stuff by the container-load. They're the people who are responsible for all the out-of-date American clothes seen on people in Africa and other parts of the 3rd world.
2012-12-11 01:06:50 AM  
1 votes:
Thats so awesome and putrid at the same time... The key to the 'scam' is simply to just never admit how shady it is... Just keep on parroting the claim that its an exclusive item appealing to a select demographic.
2012-12-11 12:57:57 AM  
1 votes:
Not surprised one bit when you have "hipsters" buying (soon) $7.00/cup for coffee at
Starbucks, waiting in line for days/weeks for the latest iJunk, is anyone surprised?
2012-12-11 12:48:51 AM  
1 votes:
I wish thrift stores or Goodwill had anything I could wear. I'm 6'3", roughly 165 lbs, so... basically built like a telephone poll. It's rough finding pants and shirts that fit me, and they often have to be ordered online.
2012-12-11 12:43:19 AM  
1 votes:

netcentric: spacemanjones: Who gives a fluck what people spend their money on? It's their money. You buy shti that I would never buy and I'm sure I buy shti you would never buy. Big deal. Get over yourselves.


the shti you buy is unhip, thus you are beneath me.


Agreed. I haven't bought anything hip in about 10 years. I'm ok with that. 3 kids will grow you up real quick. Comfy shoes. That's all I want.
2012-12-11 12:25:58 AM  
1 votes:
I never really understood all the anti-hipster sentiment on fark.

That is, until the other night when I found myself in a local brewery completely filled with hipsters. I honestly wanted to start kicking people in the nuts. It's really that annoying. Frankly I'm amazed I ever got in the place without cuffed skinny jeans, thick plastic-rimmed glasses, and a secondhand fedora. Maybe they just wanted to laugh at the normal guy with a real job. In which case I say, laugh away.
2012-12-11 12:21:38 AM  
1 votes:

ArcadianRefugee: Is it ridiculous to pay $50 for something you could buy for $5? Yes.

Is it ridiculous to not sell something for $50 wen you bought it for $5, if some idiot didn't read the first Q&A? Yes.


Also when it was brand new it probablys cost LESS than 2 dollars to make and therefore the first round consumer was paying an even higher markup.
2012-12-11 12:20:26 AM  
1 votes:
Who gives a fluck what people spend their money on? It's their money. You buy shti that I would never buy and I'm sure I buy shti you would never buy. Big deal. Get over yourselves.
2012-12-11 12:19:15 AM  
1 votes:
In the late '70s I worked at a tourist restaurant on the beach islands in Tampa/St. Pete, Florida. I drew charcoal portraits of folks waiting for tables during season. I rented space from dealers who traveled the US, buying turquoise and silver jewelry in the Southwest and selling it to the Yankee Jews, affluent Midwesterners and Canadians in FL. They then bought fancy shells and sold them to landlocked folks in New Mex and AZ. Cycle of desire. Portraits and porno sell anywhere, thank christ.
2012-12-11 12:19:00 AM  
1 votes:

RogermcAllen: JohnAnnArbor: Fano: Abox: Hipster claiming there's no such thing as hipsters in 3...2...1...

Let me head off that bullshiat by giving an easy definition of a hipster that does not include mention of specific items of clothing or objects they carry:

A hipster can be defined by liking things for ironic purposes only. Value in their eyes is determined by liking things because they are "lame" or "square" or "uncool." Obscurity helps. Step 2 is defining an ingroup of other people that like things in an ironic fashion. Not to embrace kitsch or retro on its own merits. Thus the circle is squared.

But they have to like the SAME things, right? Or are the hipster friends expected to each have mutually-exclusive interests?

/We need anthropologists to study this question.

Hipster is like twins, it usually skips a generation.

Person 1 likes a new band and is a hipster because the new band is obscure. You probably haven't heard of them.
Person 2 starts liking the band, is a poser. Person 1 liked that band before they sold out.
Person 3 starts liking the band and is a hipster because they are ironically liking a band that only posers like.


I was about to say that the ingroup also likes said uncool things, but you posted a complicating wrinkle that explains why the concept of being a hipster is inherently unstable and indefensible as an ethos. I was presenting a Ptolemaic version of Hipsterdom, where the Hipsters formed into interlocking orbits based on their shared likes. I realize I stand corrected that one of the most pernicious sins of Hipsters is as you describe, eating their own. My central premise still holds up though I didn't consider the consequences of multiple iterations of enjoying things ironically. My view is now going fractal.
2012-12-11 12:14:36 AM  
1 votes:
Can I disown my generation?
2012-12-11 12:12:41 AM  
1 votes:
And hipsters shell out the money regardless. It's no different in Florida, I know someone who buys jeans from Bealls Outlet, fades them and adds a few decorations from a kit she bought from walmart. I don't recall the name of the kit she buys, but she adds some fake plastic jewels to the clothes and simply re-sells them on ebay, and she turns out a few shirts/pants every week.

/funniest thing i've seen was she took a cheap $10 pair of jeans, and using the jewels she glued "ABBA" on the butt of it, they sold on ebay for $131 plus shipping.
//I would laugh, but frankly I'd rather punch the person who bought jeans for that much
2012-12-11 12:08:48 AM  
1 votes:

TofuTheAlmighty: I'm fairly sure that anyone shopping at Urban Outfitter would be considered a poser at best, not a hipster.


Calculation: Most likely result. Much like Gap Brand Grunge Clothing in the 90s. Query: How can one buy cast off clothing for severe markup and be considered "knowledgable?"
2012-12-11 12:03:59 AM  
1 votes:

Heamer: Also, Thrift Shop. (NSFW lyrics)


This is my new favorite track.

/can't wait for the dubstep remix
//not sure if being ironic
2012-12-10 11:53:13 PM  
1 votes:
Hipsters that buy that crap at Urban Outfitters are paying an order of magnitude higher price to have someone pick it for them out of a thrift shop.

Like buying a stoner T-shirt at Haight & Ashbury.
2012-12-10 11:52:39 PM  
1 votes:
And I sit back and wonder how China got all of the US' money?

/LOLs
2012-12-10 11:51:32 PM  
1 votes:

Abox: Hipster claiming there's no such thing as hipsters in 3...2...1...


Let me head off that bullshiat by giving an easy definition of a hipster that does not include mention of specific items of clothing or objects they carry:

A hipster can be defined by liking things for ironic purposes only. Value in their eyes is determined by liking things because they are "lame" or "square" or "uncool." Obscurity helps. Step 2 is defining an ingroup of other people that like things in an ironic fashion. Not to embrace kitsch or retro on its own merits. Thus the circle is squared.
2012-12-10 11:48:23 PM  
1 votes:
*shrug* It's kind of like a Stupid Tax. Like the lottery, but über hip.
2012-12-10 11:46:07 PM  
1 votes:

Abox: Hipster claiming there's no such thing as hipsters in 3...2...1...


just a smarmier synonym for douche or asshole.
2012-12-10 11:43:27 PM  
1 votes:
Same thing as the 'holes in jeans' thing right?
2012-12-10 10:51:35 PM  
1 votes:
Allow me to say, HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
2012-12-10 08:45:08 PM  
1 votes:
vintage

Ah, 2012, an excellent year for hosing hipsters.
 
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