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2012-12-11 12:25:58 AM  
I never really understood all the anti-hipster sentiment on fark.

That is, until the other night when I found myself in a local brewery completely filled with hipsters. I honestly wanted to start kicking people in the nuts. It's really that annoying. Frankly I'm amazed I ever got in the place without cuffed skinny jeans, thick plastic-rimmed glasses, and a secondhand fedora. Maybe they just wanted to laugh at the normal guy with a real job. In which case I say, laugh away.
 
2012-12-11 12:26:19 AM  

Fano: RogermcAllen: JohnAnnArbor: Fano: Abox: Hipster claiming there's no such thing as hipsters in 3...2...1...

Let me head off that bullshiat by giving an easy definition of a hipster that does not include mention of specific items of clothing or objects they carry:

A hipster can be defined by liking things for ironic purposes only. Value in their eyes is determined by liking things because they are "lame" or "square" or "uncool." Obscurity helps. Step 2 is defining an ingroup of other people that like things in an ironic fashion. Not to embrace kitsch or retro on its own merits. Thus the circle is squared.

But they have to like the SAME things, right? Or are the hipster friends expected to each have mutually-exclusive interests?

/We need anthropologists to study this question.

Hipster is like twins, it usually skips a generation.

Person 1 likes a new band and is a hipster because the new band is obscure. You probably haven't heard of them.
Person 2 starts liking the band, is a poser. Person 1 liked that band before they sold out.
Person 3 starts liking the band and is a hipster because they are ironically liking a band that only posers like.

I was about to say that the ingroup also likes said uncool things, but you posted a complicating wrinkle that explains why the concept of being a hipster is inherently unstable and indefensible as an ethos. I was presenting a Ptolemaic version of Hipsterdom, where the Hipsters formed into interlocking orbits based on their shared likes. I realize I stand corrected that one of the most pernicious sins of Hipsters is as you describe, eating their own. My central premise still holds up though I didn't consider the consequences of multiple iterations of enjoying things ironically. My view is now going fractal.


A fractal Venn diagram of hipster preferences. I bet not even the xkcd could draw that up.
 
2012-12-11 12:26:54 AM  
...the xkcd guy...
 
2012-12-11 12:28:16 AM  
Anybody want to buy my old boxers? They're vintage.
 
2012-12-11 12:28:19 AM  
As much as I like to hate on the hipster crowd in my area, what they've been replaced with as the rents have risen is the worst sort of frat boy "bro" club. We still have plenty of great establishments for cheap beer off the beaten path, and the hipster crowd is opening up more places to drink as they get displaced to Logan Square (I never leave the Boiler Room sober), but I'll take skinny jeans and fixies weaving in and out of traffic at night with no lights or reflectors while riding with earbuds on Western and Ashland over "dude! man! let's get farked up and puke!" any day of the week.

/Wicker Park, Chicago.
 
2012-12-11 12:29:36 AM  

dudemanbro: Anybody want to buy my old boxers? They're vintage.


Would you run them through the wash first?

Hot cycle, with bleach?
 
2012-12-11 12:31:50 AM  

spacemanjones: Who gives a fluck what people spend their money on? It's their money. You buy shti that I would never buy and I'm sure I buy shti you would never buy. Big deal. Get over yourselves.



the shti you buy is unhip, thus you are beneath me.
 
2012-12-11 12:32:26 AM  
Hilarious!
I actually didn't know what Urban Outfitters was all about until less than a year ago, I had just never gone into one.
Having done so now, I can say that UO has some of the ugliest farking clothes and styles I've ever seen.
 
2012-12-11 12:33:23 AM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: I never really understood all the anti-hipster sentiment on fark.

That is, until the other night when I found myself in a local brewery completely filled with hipsters. I honestly wanted to start kicking people in the nuts. It's really that annoying. Frankly I'm amazed I ever got in the place without cuffed skinny jeans, thick plastic-rimmed glasses, and a secondhand fedora. Maybe they just wanted to laugh at the normal guy with a real job. In which case I say, laugh away.


Just never set foot in Williamsburg Brooklyn. If nothing else all the "hipster" all the neighborhoods in chicago are diverse enough so that the skinny jeans-wearing, ironic facial hair-sporting crowd are just here and there. Williamsburg felt like being at Epcot and having a "hipster-world" wedged in between "Canada" and "Morocco" where everyone was required to be in full costume the entire time.
 
2012-12-11 12:35:37 AM  

Longtime Lurker: The Dog Ate My Homework: I never really understood all the anti-hipster sentiment on fark.

That is, until the other night when I found myself in a local brewery completely filled with hipsters. I honestly wanted to start kicking people in the nuts. It's really that annoying. Frankly I'm amazed I ever got in the place without cuffed skinny jeans, thick plastic-rimmed glasses, and a secondhand fedora. Maybe they just wanted to laugh at the normal guy with a real job. In which case I say, laugh away.

Just never set foot in Williamsburg Brooklyn. If nothing else all the "hipster" all the neighborhoods in chicago are diverse enough so that the skinny jeans-wearing, ironic facial hair-sporting crowd are just here and there. Williamsburg felt like being at Epcot and having a "hipster-world" wedged in between "Canada" and "Morocco" where everyone was required to be in full costume the entire time.


But any name tags would be ironic.
 
2012-12-11 12:38:23 AM  

Longtime Lurker: As much as I like to hate on the hipster crowd in my area, what they've been replaced with as the rents have risen is the worst sort of frat boy "bro" club.


Are you trying to tell us there's a difference?
 
2012-12-11 12:41:10 AM  

Notabunny: spacemanjones: Who gives a fluck what people spend their money on? It's their money. You buy shti that I would never buy and I'm sure I buy shti you would never buy. Big deal. Get over yourselves.

you said "shti" twice


Shti, sorry.
 
2012-12-11 12:43:19 AM  

netcentric: spacemanjones: Who gives a fluck what people spend their money on? It's their money. You buy shti that I would never buy and I'm sure I buy shti you would never buy. Big deal. Get over yourselves.


the shti you buy is unhip, thus you are beneath me.


Agreed. I haven't bought anything hip in about 10 years. I'm ok with that. 3 kids will grow you up real quick. Comfy shoes. That's all I want.
 
2012-12-11 12:45:25 AM  

Heamer: Also, Thrift Shop. (NSFW lyrics)


They be like, Oh that Gucci, that's hella tight
I'm like, yo, that's $50 for a t-shirt!
Limited edition, let's do some simple addition
$50 for a t-shirt that's just some ignorant biatch, shiat
I call that get swindled and pimped, shiat
I call that getting tricked by a bizness
That shirt's hella dope
And having the same one as six other people in this club is a hella don't
Peep game, come take a look through my telescope
Trying to get girls from a brand? Then you hella won't
 
2012-12-11 12:47:37 AM  
Urban Outfitters is SO OVER! caskstrength.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-11 12:48:27 AM  
UO is one of my clients. The women who work in their corporate offices are incredibly hot.
 
2012-12-11 12:48:34 AM  
I don't even know what hipsters are, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like them.
 
2012-12-11 12:48:51 AM  
I wish thrift stores or Goodwill had anything I could wear. I'm 6'3", roughly 165 lbs, so... basically built like a telephone poll. It's rough finding pants and shirts that fit me, and they often have to be ordered online.
 
2012-12-11 12:51:25 AM  

spacemanjones: Notabunny: spacemanjones: Who gives a fluck what people spend their money on? It's their money. You buy shti that I would never buy and I'm sure I buy shti you would never buy. Big deal. Get over yourselves.

you said "shti" twice

Shti, sorry.


I just figured you like shti
 
2012-12-11 12:51:41 AM  

Wayne 985: basically built like a telephone poll


In other words, you're built like a survey? Like one Gallup would call you up for?
 
2012-12-11 12:52:05 AM  

Longtime Lurker: The Dog Ate My Homework: I never really understood all the anti-hipster sentiment on fark.

That is, until the other night when I found myself in a local brewery completely filled with hipsters. I honestly wanted to start kicking people in the nuts. It's really that annoying. Frankly I'm amazed I ever got in the place without cuffed skinny jeans, thick plastic-rimmed glasses, and a secondhand fedora. Maybe they just wanted to laugh at the normal guy with a real job. In which case I say, laugh away.

Just never set foot in Williamsburg Brooklyn. If nothing else all the "hipster" all the neighborhoods in chicago are diverse enough so that the skinny jeans-wearing, ironic facial hair-sporting crowd are just here and there. Williamsburg felt like being at Epcot and having a "hipster-world" wedged in between "Canada" and "Morocco" where everyone was required to be in full costume the entire time.


Busch Gardens, the Old Country, the Dark Continent, Retard Land.

Everytime I see Williamsburg, Brooklyn it makes no sense to me and I think "Williamsburg, Brooklyn, NY came around 200 years after Williamsburg, VA. Is this a divide by zero for hipsters? "
 
2012-12-11 12:52:50 AM  
igcelebs.com

FUTURE HIPSTERS. i shudder to think about what they're all going to look like when they're old.
 
2012-12-11 12:54:46 AM  

Misconduc: And hipsters shell out the money regardless. It's no different in Florida, I know someone who buys jeans from Bealls Outlet, fades them and adds a few decorations from a kit she bought from walmart. I don't recall the name of the kit she buys, but she adds some fake plastic jewels to the clothes and simply re-sells them on ebay, and she turns out a few shirts/pants every week.

/funniest thing i've seen was she took a cheap $10 pair of jeans, and using the jewels she glued "ABBA" on the butt of it, they sold on ebay for $131 plus shipping.
//I would laugh, but frankly I'd rather punch the person who bought jeans for that much


I'm stealing that terrible, terrible idea.
 
2012-12-11 12:57:57 AM  
Not surprised one bit when you have "hipsters" buying (soon) $7.00/cup for coffee at
Starbucks, waiting in line for days/weeks for the latest iJunk, is anyone surprised?
 
2012-12-11 12:59:51 AM  

Happy Hours: Wayne 985: basically built like a telephone poll

In other words, you're built like a survey? Like one Gallup would call you up for?


I guess I could be, if you had a vertical bar graph with one really popular option.
 
2012-12-11 01:05:02 AM  
doin it for twenty years - good for you but now -
CATS OUTTA THE BAG

time for a new gig
 
2012-12-11 01:06:50 AM  
Thats so awesome and putrid at the same time... The key to the 'scam' is simply to just never admit how shady it is... Just keep on parroting the claim that its an exclusive item appealing to a select demographic.
 
2012-12-11 01:15:47 AM  

Abox: Hipster claiming there's no such thing as hipsters in 3...2...1...


I'm not really a hipster, I'm only acting like one ironically.
 
2012-12-11 01:19:12 AM  
I'm sure they're not buying them from "flea markets and yard sales" but rather from second-hand clothing dealers who buy and sell this stuff by the container-load. They're the people who are responsible for all the out-of-date American clothes seen on people in Africa and other parts of the 3rd world.
 
2012-12-11 01:20:59 AM  
Alll the old hipsters around here pay top dollar for "antique" furniture and other used junk.
 
2012-12-11 01:35:20 AM  
It actually should be illegal for a huge corporation like Urban Outfitters to do this.
 
2012-12-11 01:35:42 AM  

Abox: Hipster claiming there's no such thing as hipsters in 3...2...1...


Or Hipster claiming "too many Hipsters around here" when shopping at Urban Outfitters while sidestepping the fact that himself/herself obviously *is* a Hipster
 
2012-12-11 01:42:58 AM  
Perfect opportunity to use the Ironic Tag, and subbie blew it.
 
2012-12-11 01:43:22 AM  
dcist.com

The Real Deal

/Urban Outfitters even tries to cop the look of the place.
 
2012-12-11 01:44:21 AM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: I never really understood all the anti-hipster sentiment on fark.

That is, until the other night when I found myself in a local brewery completely filled with hipsters. I honestly wanted to start kicking people in the nuts. It's really that annoying. Frankly I'm amazed I ever got in the place without cuffed skinny jeans, thick plastic-rimmed glasses, and a secondhand fedora. Maybe they just wanted to laugh at the normal guy with a real job. In which case I say, laugh away.


I was that 'normal guy' two weeks ago at The Brooklyn Bowl, which is around the corner from the Brooklyn Brewery. Unlike you, I don't care. I'm old-ish and I have earned the privilege of being uncool. The folks there were nice enough, but I did get the sense of "c'mon, really?" at what they were charging for stuff. Lanes there go for $25/half hour for example.
 
2012-12-11 01:58:57 AM  

Fano: A hipster can be defined by liking things for ironic purposes only. Value in their eyes is determined by liking things because they are "lame" or "square" or "uncool." Obscurity helps. Step 2 is defining an ingroup of other people that like things in an ironic fashion. Not to embrace kitsch or retro on its own merits. Thus the circle is squared.


I actually read the best description of hipsters in this thread once upon a time. I'll repost for emphasis:


At the base of hipsterism is the search for "authenticity" in the existentialist sense -being true to themselves despite external pressure- and an idea that their own contemporary culture is inauthentic. But not everyone who seeks authenticity outside the mainstream is a hipster: the key ingredient is the idea that authenticity is something you can get from somebody else: mimed, traded for, or bought outright. The theory goes that by doing what "authentic" people do and not doing what "inauthentic" people do, one will eventually become authentic.

The thing about hipsters is that they seek "authenticity" (in the existentialist sense: being true to one's self despite external pressure), but they think authenticity is something that can be mimed, but they also think that their own contemporary culture is hopelessly inauthentic. By doing what "authentic" people do and avoiding what "inauthentic" people do, the theory goes, they too will eventually find their own authenticity.

Almost any non-hipster can tell you that this is absurd, but it is key to understanding how hipsters work: they have a massive blind spot with respect to their own inauthenticity. They look outside themselves to find something authentic, spot it in another culture and/or time period, and take on the trappings of what they have found. That's an inherently inauthentic thing to do, but the hipsters don't get that.

Eventually, though, pop culture -which has always been fascinated by hipsters and their predecessors- picks up on the latest thing, and starts doing it themselves. Now the hipsters can see the inauthenticity, because "inauthentic" people are doing it too. But rather than seeing the inauthenticity in their own actions, they blame the thing itself, claiming that it has become inauthentic (or, to use a popular term, "sold out"): a thing that is rarely if ever true. The hipsters then abandon their old pursuit and look for the next authentic thing to mime.

This is why hipsters cannot create. Creating things is, in and of itself, a demonstration that the creator understands something critical: that authenticity comes from within. You cannot understand this and be a hipster; it will either stop you from miming others' authenticity in the first place, or it will stop you from seeing what you're doing in those terms, which in turn prevent you from fleeing ahead of the mainstream tide.
 
2012-12-11 02:03:12 AM  

whidbey: It actually should be illegal for a huge corporation like Urban Outfitters to do this.


lol ok
 
2012-12-11 02:05:12 AM  

Longtime Lurker: The Dog Ate My Homework: I never really understood all the anti-hipster sentiment on fark.

That is, until the other night when I found myself in a local brewery completely filled with hipsters. I honestly wanted to start kicking people in the nuts. It's really that annoying. Frankly I'm amazed I ever got in the place without cuffed skinny jeans, thick plastic-rimmed glasses, and a secondhand fedora. Maybe they just wanted to laugh at the normal guy with a real job. In which case I say, laugh away.

Just never set foot in Williamsburg Brooklyn. If nothing else all the "hipster" all the neighborhoods in chicago are diverse enough so that the skinny jeans-wearing, ironic facial hair-sporting crowd are just here and there. Williamsburg felt like being at Epcot and having a "hipster-world" wedged in between "Canada" and "Morocco" where everyone was required to be in full costume the entire time.


No joke there. I think the only reason I survived my trip to Williamsburg is because I was fully "Goth'd out" when I decided to venture there (I still felt like a fish out of water, with how the people acted around me). They still didn't let me modify the cheeseburger I ordered. I felt going full Jack Nicholson on them (since I was born in his town where he grew up, I was feeling his spirit rise into me... oh wait, he's not dead yet!), but felt too tired and hungry at the time to complain and decided, "What the hell, I am trying to figure out what these people are like, I might as well eat their food." Big mistake, the burger was hell; an over spiced mishmash of confusing flavors. Whole bunch of vinyl shops, no record player stores though. (weird!) The people were even worse.
 
2012-12-11 02:07:53 AM  
To

DarkSoulNoHope: I think the only reason I survived my trip to Williamsburg is because I was fully "Goth'd out" when I decided to venture there (I still felt like a fish out of water, with how the people acted around me). They still didn't let me modify the cheeseburger I ordered.


To be fair, no one knows what the fark a "dark cheeseburger" is
 
2012-12-11 02:11:43 AM  

whidbey: It actually should be illegal for a huge corporation like Urban Outfitters to do this.


No. But they should have a labeling requirement on the rack that says "We got these outfits at a garage sale and marked them up after cleaning them."
 
2012-12-11 02:16:28 AM  

BigJake: ToDarkSoulNoHope: I think the only reason I survived my trip to Williamsburg is because I was fully "Goth'd out" when I decided to venture there (I still felt like a fish out of water, with how the people acted around me). They still didn't let me modify the cheeseburger I ordered.

To be fair, no one knows what the fark a "dark cheeseburger" is


They didn't know what a "plain cheeseburger" was either. The topping they used didn't come off easy, it looked like cooked spinach out of the can, though the menu claimed a more exotic title for the foodstuff. So I ate it whole, my mouth didn't approve. I should have gone to a Kosher shop a few blocks away in the Orthodox section; I wouldn't been able to get a cheeseburger but at least they know what "plain" means (or with "just ketchup").
 
2012-12-11 02:16:44 AM  

Ishkur: Fano: A hipster can be defined by liking things for ironic purposes only. Value in their eyes is determined by liking things because they are "lame" or "square" or "uncool." Obscurity helps. Step 2 is defining an ingroup of other people that like things in an ironic fashion. Not to embrace kitsch or retro on its own merits. Thus the circle is squared.

I actually read the best description of hipsters in this thread once upon a time. I'll repost for emphasis:


At the base of hipsterism is the search for "authenticity" in the existentialist sense -being true to themselves despite external pressure- and an idea that their own contemporary culture is inauthentic. But not everyone who seeks authenticity outside the mainstream is a hipster: the key ingredient is the idea that authenticity is something you can get from somebody else: mimed, traded for, or bought outright. The theory goes that by doing what "authentic" people do and not doing what "inauthentic" people do, one will eventually become authentic.

The thing about hipsters is that they seek "authenticity" (in the existentialist sense: being true to one's self despite external pressure), but they think authenticity is something that can be mimed, but they also think that their own contemporary culture is hopelessly inauthentic. By doing what "authentic" people do and avoiding what "inauthentic" people do, the theory goes, they too will eventually find their own authenticity.

Almost any non-hipster can tell you that this is absurd, but it is key to understanding how hipsters work: they have a massive blind spot with respect to their own inauthenticity. They look outside themselves to find something authentic, spot it in another culture and/or time period, and take on the trappings of what they have found. That's an inherently inauthentic thing to do, but the hipsters don't get that.

Eventually, though, pop culture -which has always been fascinated by hipsters and their predecessors- picks up on the latest thing ...


That is a perfect description. I feel humbled by my attempt to circumvent a Hipster debate thread based on what I considered first principles. Your data should be posted in every Hipster thread, as it is entirely accurate. I don't hate them; I haven't run into enough of them to get that visceral feeling. I pity such folks that have such a worldview.
 
2012-12-11 02:20:23 AM  
I love Urban! I worked there part time (2nd job) and they had the most amazing employee sales. And the discounts counted for Anthropologie and Free People. That being said, I'm all about the thrift stores... I find great stuff there sometimes. For a while I had an Etsy account and yes I marked up the hell out of stuff. It takes a lot of effort to find stuff though, but I did make money. Fashion is fun! You don't have to be a hipster to like to look nice. Too bad I spend half my week covered in hay and/or poop. Sometimes I think about quitting the day job and doing Etsy full time, But my benefits are too good and my job is too stable... For now.
 
2012-12-11 02:23:21 AM  

Fano: A hipster can be defined by liking things for ironic purposes only. Value in their eyes is determined by liking things because they are "lame" or "square" or "uncool." Obscurity helps. Step 2 is defining an ingroup of other people that like things in an ironic fashion.


Is something cool because it is inherently cool, or because cool people like it? i.e., is coolness objective or relative?

If coolness is objective, then the liking of something ironically (being a thing) is itself objectively cool or uncool, which leaves four possibilities depending on the coolness of the original thing (for simplicity, say each hipster only likes one thing ironically).

Cool thing the ironic liking of which is also cool (impossible by definition since hipsters only ironically like uncool things)
Cool thing the ironic liking of which is uncool (paradoxical meta-hipster)
Uncool thing the ironic liking of which is cool (classic hipster)
Uncool thing the ironic liking of which is uncool (the hipster's hipster, the meta-hipster)

Now, does a particular hipster care what other people think of their hipsterism? i.e. is a particular hipster a solitary hipster, or a 'hipster disciple'? This can't affect the objective coolness of anything, since people could in principle think differently (unless you don't believe in free will).

Consider the classical hipster: do he believe his hipsterism is cool, or uncool? i.e., is he a classic hipster who thinks he is a meta-hipster, or a meta-hipster who thinks he is a classic hipster? Or has he correctly self-categorized?

Assuming correct self-categorization, is he happy with his lot? Unhappy meta-hipsters will tend to form groups, to create a supportive environment where the can safely delude themselves into thinking they are cool. Unhappy classic hipsters will tend to self-isolate, most easily achieved by placing a higher value on obscurity.

Happy classic hipsters will also tend to self-isolate, and happy meta-hipsters may form groups, although the dual uncoolness of their hipsterism is likely to inhibit group-formation, plus there probably aren't that many of them.

Thus I present to you (given the assumptions above), the Hipster Disciple Conjecture: an in-group of hipsters is most likely to consist of unhappy classic hipsters, or meta-hipster wannabes.
 
2012-12-11 02:30:59 AM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: I never really understood all the anti-hipster sentiment on fark.

That is, until the other night when I found myself in a local brewery completely filled with hipsters. I honestly wanted to start kicking people in the nuts. It's really that annoying. Frankly I'm amazed I ever got in the place without cuffed skinny jeans, thick plastic-rimmed glasses, and a secondhand fedora.


There seems to be two distinctly different, shall we say, "styles" of hipster.
One is that subtype that can all be described the way you did: skinny jeans, glasses, etc.
The other is the kind that takes their fetish for ironic / obscure things into the clothing realm as well. They have no uniform, per se, but can be identified by the ridiculosity level of their outfit. Even beyond shopping at thrift stores or some local designer you've never heard of, the things they wear are ironic because nobody in their right farking mind would wear them. A Canadian fur hat with a tank top, or cutoff shorts with an ugly knit sweater? Scarves in any given weather, or a dude wearing a dress with a beret? Hipsters are like the Rule 34 for clothing: if you can think of it, a hipster has worn it. I know more than one person who lives in a hipster-dense area that plays the game "costume or outfit?".

lookatthisfuckinhipster.comlookatthisfuckinhipster.comlookatthisfuckinhipster.com
lookatthisfuckinhipster.com
 
2012-12-11 02:33:48 AM  
pretty sure they've been doing this for ages. the clothing had a tag that said 'urban renewal.'

even without the tag it's easy to tell which clothes were copped from a thrift store (with 500% markup).
 
2012-12-11 02:35:59 AM  

arghyematey: You don't have to be a hipster to like to look nice.


That's hipster-level irony, right there. LOL XD
 
2012-12-11 02:37:12 AM  

Ishkur: I actually read the best description of hipsters in this thread once upon a time. I'll repost for emphasis:


Huh... that's a great description, actually.
 
2012-12-11 02:39:46 AM  

The Voice of Sarcastic Reason: Fano: A hipster can be defined by liking things for ironic purposes only. Value in their eyes is determined by liking things because they are "lame" or "square" or "uncool." Obscurity helps. Step 2 is defining an ingroup of other people that like things in an ironic fashion.

Is something cool because it is inherently cool, or because cool people like it? i.e., is coolness objective or relative?

If coolness is objective, then the liking of something ironically (being a thing) is itself objectively cool or uncool, which leaves four possibilities depending on the coolness of the original thing (for simplicity, say each hipster only likes one thing ironically).

Cool thing the ironic liking of which is also cool (impossible by definition since hipsters only ironically like uncool things)
Cool thing the ironic liking of which is uncool (paradoxical meta-hipster)
Uncool thing the ironic liking of which is cool (classic hipster)
Uncool thing the ironic liking of which is uncool (the hipster's hipster, the meta-hipster)

Now, does a particular hipster care what other people think of their hipsterism? i.e. is a particular hipster a solitary hipster, or a 'hipster disciple'? This can't affect the objective coolness of anything, since people could in principle think differently (unless you don't believe in free will).

Consider the classical hipster: do he believe his hipsterism is cool, or uncool? i.e., is he a classic hipster who thinks he is a meta-hipster, or a meta-hipster who thinks he is a classic hipster? Or has he correctly self-categorized?

Assuming correct self-categorization, is he happy with his lot? Unhappy meta-hipsters will tend to form groups, to create a supportive environment where the can safely delude themselves into thinking they are cool. Unhappy classic hipsters will tend to self-isolate, most easily achieved by placing a higher value on obscurity.

Happy classic hipsters will also tend to self-isolate, and happy meta-hipsters may form groups ...


After original principles, hipsters divide by zero and walk themselves into a hall of mirrors. I cannot vouch for any of these things. Better posters than I have listed the caveats.
 
2012-12-11 02:50:50 AM  

The Voice of Sarcastic Reason: Consider the classical hipster: do he believe his hipsterism is cool, or uncool? i.e., is he a classic hipster who thinks he is a meta-hipster, or a meta-hipster who thinks he is a classic hipster? Or has he correctly self-categorized?


You're over-thinking this. Let me restate in my own words the brilliance of farker Millenium in breaking down hipsters:

Hipsters want authenticity. They think they can get it by miming whatever else has been deemed authentic, but they are tragically unable to grasp the internal contradiction that miming authenticity is an inherently inauthentic act.

When the authentic thing that they are inauthentically miming gets popular and other people start doing it, hipsters always react negatively because they see the inauthenticity in other people joining a fad or trend but are unable to see it in themselves. This is why they always respond with scorn and derision when it comes to knowing/liking/listening to music before others have. Or better yet, music that no one else has heard (thus preserving their faux-inauthenticity).

To be a hipster is to be in a state of constantly searching for an authentic source of something that is not currently being expressed inauthentically by anyone else (hence the mashing of retro styles). If this is not possible, then they will indulge it on a superficial level (ie: for the irony) to maintain the insecure notion of their own authenticity.... so long as they enjoy it on a different level than anyone else, they consider themselves in the clear.
 
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