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2012-12-10 05:17:47 PM  
It's the math. Severely Mentally Disabled ALWAYS = Tennessee Bar.
 
2012-12-10 05:49:50 PM  
Well, she'd fit right in.
 
2012-12-10 05:54:20 PM  
is she hot?
 
2012-12-10 07:43:04 PM  
The incident sparked outrage in Tennessee

That's weird. The kid is already past fetus stage. Why would they care?
 
2012-12-10 08:47:50 PM  
Hmm. Where's Campbell County?

i.imgur.com

Ah. East Tennessee. That explains it. Where the family trees don't fork once you get outside of Knoxvegas.

/lives in the part of Tennessee the state won't claim because it's too "urban and democrat"
 
2012-12-10 08:54:42 PM  
I wonder if anyone found the obvious joke in...Yup.
 
2012-12-10 08:58:41 PM  
Down, dooby, do down, down
Come-a Come-a
Down, dooby, do, down, down
Breaking up is hard to do...
 
2012-12-10 09:42:22 PM  
What's the drinking age in Tennessee? Here in Oregon they wouldn't even let a 19-year-old in.
 
2012-12-10 09:59:36 PM  

fusillade762: What's the drinking age in Tennessee? Here in Oregon they wouldn't even let a 19-year-old in.


You can go into a bar below 21 if they serve anything other than alcohol in Tennessee. You just can't (legally) drink. One of my favorite places to eat in Memphis is Huey's, which is a local bar. People regularly bring their kids in because they have the best burgers in Memphis.
 
2012-12-10 10:47:24 PM  
Sure, Subs. The law allows you to safely abandon your kid at hospitals, police stations, or firewater houses.
 
2012-12-10 10:53:33 PM  

BronyMedic: Hmm. Where's Campbell County?

[i.imgur.com image 454x160]

Ah. East Tennessee. That explains it. Where the family trees don't fork once you get outside of Knoxvegas.

/lives in the part of Tennessee the state won't claim because it's too "urban and democrat"


Campbell County is one of the most backwards places in the entire country. It's only had any kind of modern connections since I-75 was punched through. One of the few areas in the country that a completely new route had to be made because there was no existing highways to parallel. The only route in that area didn't have the space to have a highway parallel it.

Also, this is a legit road sign along I-75.

media.knoxnews.com
 
2012-12-10 11:09:31 PM  
How could they tell?
 
2012-12-10 11:11:47 PM  
I seem to recall hearing about another kid from Tennessee who was killed in a bar when he was only 3...
 
2012-12-10 11:12:55 PM  

bentleypm: I seem to recall hearing about another kid from Tennessee who was killed in a bar when he was only 3...


In a bar or by a b'ar?
 
2012-12-10 11:14:32 PM  

GAT_00: BronyMedic: Hmm. Where's Campbell County?

[i.imgur.com image 454x160]

Ah. East Tennessee. That explains it. Where the family trees don't fork once you get outside of Knoxvegas.

/lives in the part of Tennessee the state won't claim because it's too "urban and democrat"

Campbell County is one of the most backwards places in the entire country. It's only had any kind of modern connections since I-75 was punched through. One of the few areas in the country that a completely new route had to be made because there was no existing highways to parallel. The only route in that area didn't have the space to have a highway parallel it.

Also, this is a legit road sign along I-75.

[media.knoxnews.com image 607x449]


"400 Really Cool Elk". That shows a sense of humor.
 
2012-12-10 11:17:11 PM  

Theaetetus: Sure, Subs. The law allows you to safely abandon your kid at hospitals, police stations, or firewater houses.


farm7.static.flickr.com
 
2012-12-10 11:23:40 PM  

fusillade762: What's the drinking age in Tennessee? Here in Oregon they wouldn't even let a 19-year-old in.


Uh, to can take kids into all sorts of Oregon bars.

Most serve food.
 
2012-12-10 11:27:43 PM  
I'm glad she wasn't sexually victimized or otherwise taken advantage of. Good on the local law enforcement for taking care of her.
 
2012-12-10 11:27:52 PM  
But was it the good land?
 
2012-12-10 11:29:35 PM  
Legally an adult? Inadequate support services? What did they expect? It's easy to come up with scenario's were one person on their own could not take care of a disabled adult.
 
2012-12-10 11:32:07 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: "400 Really Cool Elk". That shows a sense of humor.


Except they are dead serious; they have a herd of the things. They also had a strip club with a giant siding-clad cross beside it.
 
2012-12-10 11:33:20 PM  
Never would've made it through the Arkansas mud
If I hadn't ditched my daughter in a Tennessee pub

/Close enough.
 
2012-12-10 11:33:43 PM  

Somacandra: I'm glad she wasn't sexually victimized or otherwise taken advantage of. Good on the local law enforcement for taking care of her.


She's both too old and too smart for the local yokels to be able to trick her into anything
 
2012-12-10 11:39:06 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: "400 Really Cool Elk". That shows a sense of humor.


But it's just not fair to the 200 slightly akward elk always laughing nasally in the corner while wheezing and grasping their inhalers..
 
2012-12-10 11:48:07 PM  

JasonOfOrillia: Legally an adult? Inadequate support services? What did they expect? It's easy to come up with scenario's were one person on their own could not take care of a disabled adult.



I'm dealing with a similar scenario myself, so getting a kick, etc.

However, abandoning a disabled adult in a freakin' bar, much less without money or ID, is a dick coont move of the first degree.
 
2012-12-10 11:51:29 PM  

JasonOfOrillia: Legally an adult? Inadequate support services? What did they expect? It's easy to come up with scenario's were one person on their own could not take care of a disabled adult.


THIS. It costs a crapton of money to properly care for a mentally disabled child or adult. Lots of people barely pay their own rent, and can't have a nonpayer, even family.

The mother was probably receiving govt disability support payments while the guardian of a child, but that's over, and she couldn't afford to pay for her room & board and care anymore. That's expensive stuff.

So at that point you may wonder what a normal person does. I DON'T KNOW, exactly. You could try to get her committed, but you'd probably need a lawyer, and you can't even sue on her behalf unless you first establish her daughter's incompetent and the mother will assume power of attorney.

There MIGHT be a social service in Tennessee where you can just call them up and say "please take my mentally disabled relative now", but I doubt it. Then again, for all I know, maybe Mom's loaded but just doesn't wanna bother anymore.

That's not to say that these actions are in any way morally excusable. I'm saying it's possibly a very difficult situation you can't relate to unless you had a mentally disabled child and no money.
 
2012-12-10 11:58:08 PM  

mscleo: fusillade762: What's the drinking age in Tennessee? Here in Oregon they wouldn't even let a 19-year-old in.

Uh, to can take kids into all sorts of Oregon bars.

Most serve food.


All bars have to serve food if they want to also serve hard alcohol. An establishment that only serves beer and wine but no food is considered a tavern, iirc.

I can't find anything concrete online about the specific laws about when/where minors are allowed. I think the OLCC says they all have to be out by 10pm but some places set the limit earlier.

www.alamy.com 

Looking up ORS 471.430(3) doesn't really explain anything. It just says:

Except as authorized by rule or as necessitated in an emergency, a person under 21 years of age may not enter or attempt to enter any portion of a licensed premises that is posted or otherwise identified as being prohibited to the use of minors.

Now I'm even more confused than before.
 
2012-12-10 11:58:45 PM  

ManThatHurts: It's the math. Severely Mentally Disabled ALWAYS = Tennessee Bar.


Other way around. (Severely mentally disabled in Maine !(necessarily)= Tennessee Bar)
Tennessee Bar = Severely Mentally Disabled
 
2012-12-10 11:58:53 PM  

Oznog: JasonOfOrillia: Legally an adult? Inadequate support services? What did they expect? It's easy to come up with scenario's were one person on their own could not take care of a disabled adult.

THIS. It costs a crapton of money to properly care for a mentally disabled child or adult. Lots of people barely pay their own rent, and can't have a nonpayer, even family.

The mother was probably receiving govt disability support payments while the guardian of a child, but that's over, and she couldn't afford to pay for her room & board and care anymore. That's expensive stuff.

So at that point you may wonder what a normal person does. I DON'T KNOW, exactly. You could try to get her committed, but you'd probably need a lawyer, and you can't even sue on her behalf unless you first establish her daughter's incompetent and the mother will assume power of attorney.

There MIGHT be a social service in Tennessee where you can just call them up and say "please take my mentally disabled relative now", but I doubt it. Then again, for all I know, maybe Mom's loaded but just doesn't wanna bother anymore.

That's not to say that these actions are in any way morally excusable. I'm saying it's possibly a very difficult situation you can't relate to unless you had a mentally disabled child and no money.


It sounds like she was getting some help from the state but not enough.

I do agree that the real failing here is the state putting her in the situation in the first place.
 
2012-12-11 12:00:51 AM  
That's how Meagen Fox got discovered.
 
2012-12-11 12:01:20 AM  
I knew I shouldn't have clicked on that article. I hate people sometimes.
 
2012-12-11 12:13:23 AM  

Oznog: So at that point you may wonder what a normal person does. I DON'T KNOW, exactly. You could try to get her committed, but you'd probably need a lawyer, and you can't even sue on her behalf unless you first establish her daughter's incompetent and the mother will assume power of attorney.


It isn't that hard, and most states have homes for the mentally challenged - and as long as the adult child has no assets, many states have a process for them to become wards of the state. I am the guardian for an uncle. He lives in a group home, goes to places on the weekdays where they teach him life skills and work on expanding his mind to whatever are his natural limitations. He has some assets, so the state covers certain things, and I fill in the gaps (and when he runs out of money, he will be covered totally by the state). While I picked all this up after his previous guardian died, I have looked at the paperwork for getting him into the system, and it was probably tedious to work through, but if a family of Florida crackers could do it in the 60's, this woman could do it too
 
2012-12-11 12:20:47 AM  
The mother was from Illinois. So it appears she drove to this remote area in Tennessee to abandon her child? According to mapquest, that's 562 miles, over 9 hours away. Looks like pretty much a straight shot down I-75.

TFA says there was no existing law in Tennessee to address this particular situation, as no one had anticipated such an action. Did she do her research and specifically choose TN because she knew she would be immune from criminal charges?

Also, make fun of rural TN all you want, but there are good people there. The locals went above and beyond to protect and care for the disabled young lady. How many places can you abandon a 19-year old female with a 3-yr old mentality, and have her come to no harm?
 
2012-12-11 12:24:03 AM  

Aces and Eights: The mother was from Illinois. So it appears she drove to this remote area in Tennessee to abandon her child? According to mapquest, that's 562 miles, over 9 hours away. Looks like pretty much a straight shot down I-75.

TFA says there was no existing law in Tennessee to address this particular situation, as no one had anticipated such an action. Did she do her research and specifically choose TN because she knew she would be immune from criminal charges?

Also, make fun of rural TN all you want, but there are good people there. The locals went above and beyond to protect and care for the disabled young lady. How many places can you abandon a 19-year old female with a 3-yr old mentality, and have her come to no harm?


Yeah, try THAT in Chicago.
 
2012-12-11 12:26:20 AM  

BronyMedic: Hmm. Where's Campbell County?

[i.imgur.com image 454x160]

Ah. East Tennessee. That explains it. Where the family trees don't fork once you get outside of Knoxvegas.

/lives in the part of Tennessee the state won't claim because it's too "urban and democrat"


Campbell County, Tennessee may be too urban and too democrat, but they were merely the drop off location. That asshat who dropped her off was from Illinois.

/lives in the part of Tennessee that is too religious and too republican. Did I mention this part of the state is too religious?
 
2012-12-11 12:32:51 AM  
If that mother has been taking care of daughter for the past 19 years, and suddenly their safety net was cut (we should have created a society where that couldn't happen, but that's another rant), then I personally would give her a break.

Go. Live your life. The guilt will eventually get you, anyway.
 
2012-12-11 12:36:12 AM  

Aces and Eights: The mother was from Illinois. So it appears she drove to this remote area in Tennessee to abandon her child? According to mapquest, that's 562 miles, over 9 hours away. Looks like pretty much a straight shot down I-75.

TFA says there was no existing law in Tennessee to address this particular situation, as no one had anticipated such an action. Did she do her research and specifically choose TN because she knew she would be immune from criminal charges?

Also, make fun of rural TN all you want, but there are good people there. The locals went above and beyond to protect and care for the disabled young lady. How many places can you abandon a 19-year old female with a 3-yr old mentality, and have her come to no harm?


I like the cut of your jib, farker.

/never had anything but good times in TN
//live in WV - also friendly folk
///do slashies come in threes?
 
2012-12-11 12:50:09 AM  

JasonOfOrillia: Legally an adult? Inadequate support services? What did they expect? It's easy to come up with scenario's were one person on their own could not take care of a disabled adult.


Yep. After spending over a decade being the last remaining family support for a severely mentally ill relative, I'm not surprised at all. I think the only thing more depressing would be to have a job as a social worker dealing with many mentally ill people. I once asked one what happens to people like my relative who don't have friends or family fighting to keep a roof over their heads. "They become homeless. Then they die."
 
2012-12-11 12:50:23 AM  
Is this where I drop off a "Doesn't Matter, Had Sex" meme?
 
2012-12-11 12:52:27 AM  

Aces and Eights: The mother was from Illinois. So it appears she drove to this remote area in Tennessee to abandon her child? According to mapquest, that's 562 miles, over 9 hours away. Looks like pretty much a straight shot down I-75.

TFA says there was no existing law in Tennessee to address this particular situation, as no one had anticipated such an action. Did she do her research and specifically choose TN because she knew she would be immune from criminal charges?

Also, make fun of rural TN all you want, but there are good people there. The locals went above and beyond to protect and care for the disabled young lady. How many places can you abandon a 19-year old female with a 3-yr old mentality, and have her come to no harm?


Sounds like it. She had previously lived in Illinois and had been fighting state guardianship there because she was afraid Illinois would not give her daughter decent care. Which may or may not be true--I don't know the status of Illinois state hospitals or group homes--but that doesn't at all excuse just abandoning her daughter in whatever roadside bar she came to and fleeing into the night.

Adult guardianship laws are messy and vary wildly from state to state--here in California, there a movement to get EVERYONE out of state facilities and into independent facilities, no matter how impaired they are, which is it's own kind of nightmare (you can envision the potential terror of an 80-year old man who's been in an institution all his life suddenly being told "guess what! we're moving you into your own home next month!"); but the bigger problem is that families don't realize what's coming up until the kid turns 18 and suddenly the support is terminated.
 
2012-12-11 12:54:40 AM  
Give the mother some slack. At least it was Algonquin and not, say, Bohan. Either way, the mother's lucky the daughter didn't run into this guy

cdn.dualshockers.com
 
2012-12-11 12:55:31 AM  

Aces and Eights: Did she do her research and specifically choose TN because she knew she would be immune from criminal charges?


The Tennessee SAFEPLACE law, which allows you to drop an infant off at a Fire Station, EMS Service, or Hospital (They have to have emergency medical care on site, or the law doesn't protect you from abandonment charges), only allows you to do so up to 18 months of age.

Aces and Eights: Also, make fun of rural TN all you want, but there are good people there. The locals went above and beyond to protect and care for the disabled young lady. How many places can you abandon a 19-year old female with a 3-yr old mentality, and have her come to no harm?


East Tennessee keeps electing one Stacey Campbell. They can't be all good people when they do that.

They may be "good people", but they're also a bunch of fearful, hate mongering bigots who dislike anyone outside of their religion. I grew up in a small, rural Tennessee town. I know how much hate they can spew.
 
2012-12-11 01:17:45 AM  

phalamir: Somacandra: I'm glad she wasn't sexually victimized or otherwise taken advantage of. Good on the local law enforcement for taking care of her.

She's both too old and too smart for the local yokels to be able to trick her into anything


she has the mind of a toddler, you might want to reconsider that statement
 
2012-12-11 01:27:30 AM  
Dear diary... Jackpot?
 
2012-12-11 01:28:53 AM  

BronyMedic: fusillade762: What's the drinking age in Tennessee? Here in Oregon they wouldn't even let a 19-year-old in.

You can go into a bar below 21 if they serve anything other than alcohol in Tennessee. You just can't (legally) drink. One of my favorite places to eat in Memphis is Huey's, which is a local bar. People regularly bring their kids in because they have the best burgers in Memphis.


Totally agree. Love the Señor Huey.

/I eat at the one in Southaven
//How many toothpicks have you stuck in the ceiling?
 
2012-12-11 01:29:46 AM  

whatshisname: bentleypm: I seem to recall hearing about another kid from Tennessee who was killed in a bar when he was only 3...

In a bar or by a b'ar?


I snerked.
 
2012-12-11 01:29:53 AM  

Just_a_Bear: phalamir: Somacandra: I'm glad she wasn't sexually victimized or otherwise taken advantage of. Good on the local law enforcement for taking care of her.

She's both too old and too smart for the local yokels to be able to trick her into anything

she has the mind of a toddler, you might want to reconsider that statement


Have you ever been to Tennessee?
 
2012-12-11 01:47:54 AM  

stoli n coke: Just_a_Bear: phalamir: Somacandra: I'm glad she wasn't sexually victimized or otherwise taken advantage of. Good on the local law enforcement for taking care of her.

She's both too old and too smart for the local yokels to be able to trick her into anything

she has the mind of a toddler, you might want to reconsider that statement

Have you ever been to Tennessee?


ok, you might have a point
 
2012-12-11 02:22:02 AM  
So is she hot enough that boning her wouldn't be a farking retarded move?

\I already got my ticket.
 
2012-12-11 03:03:35 AM  
Nay Nay...Chick-a-pay...In da Wind !

/DRTFA !
 
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