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(ABC)   Fundamental Christian nutjob claims to have evidence that Noah's biblical flood actually happened. Sorry, did I say "fundamental Christian nutjob"? I meant "acclaimed maritime archaeologist"   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 147
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2012-12-10 09:01:32 PM

Rent Party: The largest waterfall ever to have existed came over this ledge. The Missoula floods would have been awesome to behold.

And yet, no one calls them "global." Because, you know, they were "regional."


I'll see you a river, and raise you the filling of the Mediterranean Sea. Although it could not have been the basis of flood myths, as it occured several milion years before the formation of the earth.
 
2012-12-10 09:02:57 PM
This proves that God exists.
 
2012-12-10 09:03:38 PM
"In the early chapters of Genesis, people live 800 years, 700 years, 900 years," said Rabbi Burt Visotzky, a professor of Talmud and Rabbinics at the Jewish Theological Seminary in New York. "Those are mythic numbers, those are way too big. We don't quite know what to do with that.

Stop trying to interpret the text as a historical document and the problem goes away.
 
2012-12-10 09:04:20 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: *bing*

NOAH...


What?
 
2012-12-10 09:09:59 PM

Karac: Rent Party: The largest waterfall ever to have existed came over this ledge. The Missoula floods would have been awesome to behold.

And yet, no one calls them "global." Because, you know, they were "regional."

I'll see you a river, and raise you the filling of the Mediterranean Sea. Although it could not have been the basis of flood myths, as it occured several milion years before the formation of the earth.


That would have been a neat trick.

/we're getting some awesome grammar fails in this one
 
2012-12-10 09:12:41 PM

Bondith: "In the early chapters of Genesis, people live 800 years, 700 years, 900 years," said Rabbi Burt Visotzky, a professor of Talmud and Rabbinics at the Jewish Theological Seminary in New York. "Those are mythic numbers, those are way too big. We don't quite know what to do with that.

Stop trying to interpret the text as a historical document and the problem goes away.


Nonsense, everyone knows that Ea gifted Utnapishtim with the magical life-serpent whose skin sustained his life (and that of his wife) for over 800 years, that's just basic fact.

Otherwise, how do you explain Gilgamesh losing the serpent when he fell asleep, smart guy? If there'd been no magic life-serpent, then he'd hardly have had to content himself with the strength of the walls of Ur as a consolation prize, now, would he?
 
2012-12-10 09:13:11 PM

Flappyhead: Karac: Rent Party: The largest waterfall ever to have existed came over this ledge. The Missoula floods would have been awesome to behold.

And yet, no one calls them "global." Because, you know, they were "regional."

I'll see you a river, and raise you the filling of the Mediterranean Sea. Although it could not have been the basis of flood myths, as it occured several milion years before the formation of the earth.

That would have been a neat trick.

/we're getting some awesome grammar fails in this one



I think they were poking at bible thumpers claiming that the world is only a couple thousand years old.
 
2012-12-10 09:17:31 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Noah's biblical flood is not restricted to Noah or the bible.

That the myth may have origins in fact is not new.

IOW, move along, nothing to see here.


Like Ziusudra?
 
2012-12-10 09:19:50 PM

Lligeret: Flappyhead: Karac: Rent Party: The largest waterfall ever to have existed came over this ledge. The Missoula floods would have been awesome to behold.

And yet, no one calls them "global." Because, you know, they were "regional."

I'll see you a river, and raise you the filling of the Mediterranean Sea. Although it could not have been the basis of flood myths, as it occured several milion years before the formation of the earth.

That would have been a neat trick.

/we're getting some awesome grammar fails in this one


I think they were poking at bible thumpers claiming that the world is only a couple thousand years old.


Yeah but my way makes me feel all smart and snarky, so I'll stick with it.
 
2012-12-10 09:26:04 PM
Silence of the Lambs was based on a true story. That doesn't mean the events in Silence of the Lambs actually happened as depicted. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either a fool or completely out of touch with reality.

That is what is going here.
 
2012-12-10 09:30:04 PM

OtherLittleGuy: "Gilga---mesh..."


cache.ohinternet.com
 
2012-12-10 09:35:48 PM

Dinobot: Lionel Mandrake: Noah's biblical flood is not restricted to Noah or the bible.

That the myth may have origins in fact is not new.

IOW, move along, nothing to see here.

Like Ziusudra?


yup...but my favorite is Deucalion.
 
2012-12-10 09:35:55 PM

Karac: Rent Party: The largest waterfall ever to have existed came over this ledge. The Missoula floods would have been awesome to behold.

And yet, no one calls them "global." Because, you know, they were "regional."

I'll see you a river, and raise you the filling of the Mediterranean Sea. Although it could not have been the basis of flood myths, as it occured several milion years before the formation of the earth.


The Missoula floods weren't a river. Imagine a lake covering most of Western Montana held back by a glacial ice dam. Then imagine the ice dam breaking lose.

Dry Falls had a flow greater than every river on Earth, combined.
 
2012-12-10 09:40:46 PM
it is amazing for a bunch of folks who don't believe in God and the Bible just how much time is spent whining about it.
 
2012-12-10 09:43:06 PM

abb3w: Aside from a few details, like the flood being a relatively local/regional one.


And, FTA:
Ballard does not think he will ever find Noah's Ark, but he does think he may find evidence of a people whose entire world was washed away about 7,000 years ago.

Article writer and subby are just bad people.
 
2012-12-10 09:43:39 PM
FTFA: Some of the details of the Noah story seem mythical,

Really, some?
 
2012-12-10 09:44:42 PM
Explain this to me...

God is angry at humanity and decides it needs to be reset or something like that...

So he tells the only righteous people on the planet how to save themselves and the animals...

Then he drowns all the other people in the world to death (fun way to die) and I guess they all go to hell right?

But here's the thing... he sends a rainbow as a sign that he will never do that to mankind again...

so...

Was he wrong to do that? Should he not have done that?

If he promises to never do it again, then he implies that it was a bad thing to do. If it was a proper or good thing to do, then why not reserve the right to do it again?

It's almost as if it doesn't make any sense at all.
 
2012-12-10 09:45:02 PM

Waldo Pepper: it is amazing for a bunch of folks who don't believe in God and the Bible just how much time is spent whining about it.


The most powerful country on earth bases most of its laws on interpretations of the bible. So yeah it affect people.
 
2012-12-10 09:47:40 PM
In other news, provincial sheepherders view local events as having global scope - and then they write a book about them.
 
2012-12-10 09:52:35 PM

Waldo Pepper: it is amazing for a bunch of folks who don't believe in God and the Bible just how much time is spent whining about it.


Not really...it is amazing how so many people who think it's the divine word of God know absolutely nothing about it, but still believe it over science.
 
2012-12-10 09:55:03 PM

Hollie Maea: Waldo Pepper: it is amazing for a bunch of folks who don't believe in God and the Bible just how much time is spent whining about it.

The most powerful country on earth bases most of its laws on interpretations of the bible. So yeah it affect people.


Seems our founding fathers and forefathers were pretty smart to base our laws on the Bible allowing us to become the most power country on earth.
 
2012-12-10 09:57:00 PM

Hollie Maea: Waldo Pepper: it is amazing for a bunch of folks who don't believe in God and the Bible just how much time is spent whining about it.

The most powerful country on earth bases most of its laws on interpretations of the bible. So yeah it affect people.


How do you figure?
 
2012-12-10 10:02:40 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Waldo Pepper: it is amazing for a bunch of folks who don't believe in God and the Bible just how much time is spent whining about it.

Not really...it is amazing how so many people who think it's the divine word of God know absolutely nothing about it, but still believe it over science.


my statement is about non believing farkers spending so much time and effort whining about God and the Bible. I have no belief in aliens from other planets, astrology etc, etc and I spend zero of my time whining about these beliefs
 
2012-12-10 10:03:56 PM

Waldo Pepper: Lionel Mandrake: Waldo Pepper: it is amazing for a bunch of folks who don't believe in God and the Bible just how much time is spent whining about it.

Not really...it is amazing how so many people who think it's the divine word of God know absolutely nothing about it, but still believe it over science.

my statement is about non believing farkers spending so much time and effort whining about God and the Bible. I have no belief in aliens from other planets, astrology etc, etc and I spend zero of my time whining about these beliefs


Who's whining?
 
2012-12-10 10:04:22 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City

Emirical evidence that NYC is a real place that actually exists.
Therefore, Ghostbusters is a true story.
 
2012-12-10 10:04:52 PM

Waldo Pepper: Hollie Maea: Waldo Pepper: it is amazing for a bunch of folks who don't believe in God and the Bible just how much time is spent whining about it.

The most powerful country on earth bases most of its laws on interpretations of the bible. So yeah it affect people.

Seems our founding fathers and forefathers were pretty smart to base our laws on the Bible allowing us to become the most power country on earth.


Except they didn't, although modern neo-cons and teabaggers would say otherwise. As for today, America doesn't actually base it's laws on Biblical interpretation, but again, the neo-cons and teabaggers want it too, so there's that.
 
2012-12-10 10:12:08 PM
"In the early chapters of Genesis, people live 800 years, 700 years, 900 years," said Rabbi Burt Visotzky, a professor of Talmud and Rabbinics at the Jewish Theological Seminary in New York. "Those are mythic numbers, those are way too big. We don't quite know what to do with that.

Those ancient people measured time in lunar months, not years. That 800-year-old guy is only 61.
 
2012-12-10 10:15:36 PM
I caught a minnow. I said I caught a Barracuda. An ichthyologist confirms that I caught a minnow. This confirms my story.
 
2012-12-10 10:16:12 PM

Flappyhead: Waldo Pepper: Hollie Maea: Waldo Pepper: it is amazing for a bunch of folks who don't believe in God and the Bible just how much time is spent whining about it.

The most powerful country on earth bases most of its laws on interpretations of the bible. So yeah it affect people.

Seems our founding fathers and forefathers were pretty smart to base our laws on the Bible allowing us to become the most power country on earth.

Except they didn't, although modern neo-cons and teabaggers would say otherwise. As for today, America doesn't actually base it's laws on Biblical interpretation, but again, the neo-cons and teabaggers want it too, so there's that.


Yup. The Founders modeled America on the Roman Republic more than anything else. A system devised by pagans.
 
2012-12-10 10:17:24 PM

Waldo Pepper: my statement is about non believing farkers spending so much time and effort whining about God and the Bible. I have no belief in aliens from other planets, astrology etc, etc and I spend zero of my time whining about these beliefs


Given the headline and TFA, you realize that you're essentially biatching about people posting on topic, right?
 
2012-12-10 10:17:42 PM

Waldo Pepper: I have no belief in aliens from other planets, astrology etc, etc and I spend zero of my time whining about these beliefs


Do astrologers get tax breaks? Do people come to your door with pamphlets about aliens? Is Bigfoot part of the school curriculum? Do your politicians try to pass laws about what you can do to your body based on Norse mythology?
 
2012-12-10 10:26:39 PM
So...water levels were twenty-five thousand feet higher than they are today?

If I recall, the Bible doesn't mention any ice age. I wonder why, hmm, what could possibly be the reason, it's almost as if a bunch of desert nomads didn't know there were ice ages because they were desert nomads.
 
2012-12-10 10:28:08 PM
Let's look at the physics, shall we? In order for a flood to occur, water has to come from one place and be distributed to another place. So let's look at this.

9 inches/hr is one of the highest rainfall records I've seen thus far. So let's do the math. Over a 40 day period at 24 hours per day(40 days and 40 nights, as they say), that leaves a total deposit of 720 feet. Not a small number, but wait, there's more. That comes down to about .13 miles in depth. Which is still pretty nasty. However, for that to be global, here's what that would come out to.

The total landmass of earth = 57,308,738 square miles...
Total depth of water = .13 miles...
Assuming a flat earth(To give us a much better round-down, so this number should be MUCH higher, but I'm too lazy to do spherical volumes here), it would leave us with roughly 7.8 million cubic miles of water.

So let's break that down into gallons.

One gallon of water is roughly 7.48 cubic feet.
The total cubic miles listed above gives us... 1,148,144,025,600 cubic feet of water.
Which would translate to roughly 153,495,190,588 Gallons of water. Which I would estimate that in order to create that volume of clouds(Constant, as well), which would require direct sunlight on every major water source, and only clouds over every land mass for a 40 day period, would require a very sudden rise in energy as received by the surface of the planet, on ALL sides, a shifting of major wind channels and currents, and the like. Which wouldn't work out so well for the science of it all.

But that number above... Just above a tenth of a mile in depth... That should have some level of significance, shouldn't it?

A few problems here. First off, the book mentions the Mountains of Ararat. However, these mountains are in entirely the wrong geographic direction from the supposed launch point, so that's done with(Raleigh went into this). In fact, Raleigh contended that the mountains in question must have been the taller peaks out towards Asia. And coming to rest on the top of the mountains in that area? .13 of a mile wouldn't even get you close.
 
2012-12-10 10:39:50 PM

RatMaster999: OtherLittleGuy: "Gilga---mesh..."

Girugamesh!
[cache.ohinternet.com image 600x540]


That photo looks like David Boreanaz to the whole vampire thing a little too seriously, and then started hitting the half-and-half blood rather than the 2%.

/secret ingredient is otter
 
2012-12-10 10:43:12 PM

vharshyde: Let's look at the physics, shall we? In order for a flood to occur, water has to come from one place and be distributed to another place. So let's look at this.

9 inches/hr is one of the highest rainfall records I've seen thus far. So let's do the math. Over a 40 day period at 24 hours per day(40 days and 40 nights, as they say), that leaves a total deposit of 720 feet. Not a small number, but wait, there's more. That comes down to about .13 miles in depth. Which is still pretty nasty. However, for that to be global, here's what that would come out to.

The total landmass of earth = 57,308,738 square miles...
Total depth of water = .13 miles...
Assuming a flat earth(To give us a much better round-down, so this number should be MUCH higher, but I'm too lazy to do spherical volumes here), it would leave us with roughly 7.8 million cubic miles of water.

So let's break that down into gallons.

One gallon of water is roughly 7.48 cubic feet.
The total cubic miles listed above gives us... 1,148,144,025,600 cubic feet of water.
Which would translate to roughly 153,495,190,588 Gallons of water. Which I would estimate that in order to create that volume of clouds(Constant, as well), which would require direct sunlight on every major water source, and only clouds over every land mass for a 40 day period, would require a very sudden rise in energy as received by the surface of the planet, on ALL sides, a shifting of major wind channels and currents, and the like. Which wouldn't work out so well for the science of it all.

But that number above... Just above a tenth of a mile in depth... That should have some level of significance, shouldn't it?

A few problems here. First off, the book mentions the Mountains of Ararat. However, these mountains are in entirely the wrong geographic direction from the supposed launch point, so that's done with(Raleigh went into this). In fact, Raleigh contended that the mountains in question must have been the taller peaks out towards Asia. And coming to rest on the top of the mountains in that area? .13 of a mile wouldn't even get you close.


In the Bible's defense (ugh), it does also mention the "fountains of the deep" gushing over.
 
2012-12-10 10:47:33 PM
MOAR OLD NEWS PLEEZ

But yeah
I'm glad this particular theory is gaining traction. I like it. They just need to find more evindence of settlements down there at the bottom.

See also: Ancient india, china, japan underwater city stuff
 
2012-12-10 10:48:11 PM

vharshyde: Let's look at the physics, shall we? In order for a flood to occur, water has to come from one place and be distributed to another place. So let's look at this.

9 inches/hr is one of the highest rainfall records I've seen thus far. So let's do the math. Over a 40 day period at 24 hours per day(40 days and 40 nights, as they say), that leaves a total deposit of 720 feet. Not a small number, but wait, there's more. That comes down to about .13 miles in depth. Which is still pretty nasty. However, for that to be global, here's what that would come out to.

The total landmass of earth = 57,308,738 square miles...
Total depth of water = .13 miles...
Assuming a flat earth(To give us a much better round-down, so this number should be MUCH higher, but I'm too lazy to do spherical volumes here), it would leave us with roughly 7.8 million cubic miles of water.

So let's break that down into gallons.

One gallon of water is roughly 7.48 cubic feet.
The total cubic miles listed above gives us... 1,148,144,025,600 cubic feet of water.
Which would translate to roughly 153,495,190,588 Gallons of water. Which I would estimate that in order to create that volume of clouds(Constant, as well), which would require direct sunlight on every major water source, and only clouds over every land mass for a 40 day period, would require a very sudden rise in energy as received by the surface of the planet, on ALL sides, a shifting of major wind channels and currents, and the like. Which wouldn't work out so well for the science of it all.

But that number above... Just above a tenth of a mile in depth... That should have some level of significance, shouldn't it?


There's also the teensy problem of increased air pressure, which would have popped Noah and his clan like water balloons.
 
2012-12-10 10:49:06 PM
When a big ass glacial lake busts out, people notice
 
2012-12-10 10:49:08 PM

vharshyde: (bunch of fancy libtard blasphemy)


Burn in Hell, heathen.

www.lookingforpurpose.com

You can't argue with that. Don't even try.
 
2012-12-10 10:55:30 PM

Flappyhead: vharshyde: Let's look at the physics, shall we? In order for a flood to occur, water has to come from one place and be distributed to another place. So let's look at this.

9 inches/hr is one of the highest rainfall records I've seen thus far. So let's do the math. Over a 40 day period at 24 hours per day(40 days and 40 nights, as they say), that leaves a total deposit of 720 feet. Not a small number, but wait, there's more. That comes down to about .13 miles in depth. Which is still pretty nasty. However, for that to be global, here's what that would come out to.

The total landmass of earth = 57,308,738 square miles...
Total depth of water = .13 miles...
Assuming a flat earth(To give us a much better round-down, so this number should be MUCH higher, but I'm too lazy to do spherical volumes here), it would leave us with roughly 7.8 million cubic miles of water.

So let's break that down into gallons.

One gallon of water is roughly 7.48 cubic feet.
The total cubic miles listed above gives us... 1,148,144,025,600 cubic feet of water.
Which would translate to roughly 153,495,190,588 Gallons of water. Which I would estimate that in order to create that volume of clouds(Constant, as well), which would require direct sunlight on every major water source, and only clouds over every land mass for a 40 day period, would require a very sudden rise in energy as received by the surface of the planet, on ALL sides, a shifting of major wind channels and currents, and the like. Which wouldn't work out so well for the science of it all.

But that number above... Just above a tenth of a mile in depth... That should have some level of significance, shouldn't it?

There's also the teensy problem of increased air pressure, which would have popped Noah and his clan like water balloons.


so you are saying your figures apply to God and because your figures say it doesn't add up then God must not be able to make it happen?
 
2012-12-10 10:59:36 PM

Waldo Pepper:
so you are saying your figures apply to God and because your figures say it doesn't add up then God must not be able to make it happen?


No, we're saying our figures apply to reality. Get back to me when God does. Better yet, don't get back to me at all, I have no time for circular arguments.
 
2012-12-10 11:10:08 PM
The Black Sea flood is an old story. They were finding wooden buildings preserved in the anoxic layers of the Black Sea over a decade ago.
 
2012-12-10 11:11:58 PM

Kibbler: So...water levels were twenty-five thousand feet higher than they are today?

If I recall, the Bible doesn't mention any ice age. I wonder why, hmm, what could possibly be the reason, it's almost as if a bunch of desert nomads didn't know there were ice ages because they were desert nomads.


But somehow they knew where to put the penguins after the water level dropped.
 
2012-12-10 11:12:33 PM
"Sploosh."
 
2012-12-10 11:24:50 PM

Flappyhead: Waldo Pepper:
so you are saying your figures apply to God and because your figures say it doesn't add up then God must not be able to make it happen?

No, we're saying our figures apply to reality. Get back to me when God does. Better yet, don't get back to me at all, I have no time for circular arguments.


then why did you bother to post, was it to show off your math skills?
 
2012-12-10 11:25:55 PM
Headline is dishonest (big surprise). It's not so much "Noah's flood actually happened" as it is, "A big flood might've happened around that time and might've later inspired different myths."
 
2012-12-10 11:50:29 PM

Waldo Pepper: Seems our founding fathers and forefathers were pretty smart to base our laws on the Bible


Compare and contrast the First Commandment with the First Amendment.
And then apologize to everybody here for being so dumb.
 
2012-12-10 11:53:08 PM

Waldo Pepper: I have no belief in aliens from other planets


If you voted for Romney, you voted for someone who actually worships an alien from another planet.
 
2012-12-10 11:56:25 PM

vharshyde: Let's look at the physics, shall we? In order for a flood to occur, water has to come from one place and be distributed to another place. So let's look at this.

So let's break that down into gallons.

One gallon of water is roughly 7.48 cubic feet.


Erm, one gallon of water is 0.13 cubic feet. You're off by a lot. A lot a lot.
 
2012-12-10 11:56:41 PM

Waldo Pepper: so you are saying your figures apply to God and because your figures say it doesn't add up then God must not be able to make it happen?


Maybe he could. But he would have to rest afterwards.

/nothing says "all powerful" like needing six days to do something and a day to recuperate
 
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