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2012-12-10 08:23:59 PM  

Ed Finnerty: I never feel better than after a good run - it really helps you feel alive. There's nothing like running on a crisp morning, the light breeze in your face, your numb left arm, the smell of burnt toast in the air, the distant sound of the ambulance as everything goes dark.

It's magical.


You magnificent bastard. I just spit coke on my keyboard.
 
2012-12-10 08:24:49 PM  
That explains all the running I did in the military.

/The thought of running now makes me angry and all extremist-y
 
2012-12-10 08:25:31 PM  

Ishkur: fta: Study participants were split into two groups: Fifteen in an urban location, and nine in a rural environment.

A sample set of 24? ....study is complete horseshiat and based on insufficient data with way too many variables involved to make this sort of claim.

Call me back when you at least have a couple thousand.


THIS!

who are the idiots who don't realize how invalid this sample size is? Oh, it's everyone on fark
 
2012-12-10 08:25:48 PM  

Elzar: Joggers are dumb - runners on the other hand are farking awesome.

/ Slower then 10min/mi pace - you are a farking jogger walker

 
2012-12-10 08:30:26 PM  

Ishkur: Ambivalence: I don't get jogging. Biking i get. Swimming i get. If I'm running it's because something is chasing me. The idea of running for pleasure is just whack.

The heart is a muscle. It needs a good workout to get healthy and strong. Since it can't lift weights, there is no better way to work out the heart than to go running.

/swimming and biking are good too
//but running is best because it can be done anywhere.


I tend to prefer playing hockey, I just can't get into running without some level of competition. Costs a little more (okay, a lot more), but I don't die of boredom in the first 5 minutes.
 
2012-12-10 08:30:47 PM  
Jogging also makes you fatter, and less healthy. It's one of the worst forms of exercise.
 
2012-12-10 08:31:03 PM  

ggecko: [img.izismile.com image 500x428]


Butterfaces.
 
2012-12-10 08:31:50 PM  
I saw a man running on Rt.22 in Hillside NJ. Borders Newark. Industrial area. During a work day you can see black flecks in the air like fine snow, all around you. And here is this a-hole running alongside a very busy car filled highway sucking in air you can see. bravo.

what are all you freaks running from anyway.

James Fuller Fixx (April 23, 1932 - July 20, 1984) was the author of the 1977 best-selling book, The Complete Book of Running. Best known as Jim Fixx, he is credited with helping start America's fitness revolution, popularizing the sport of running and demonstrating the health benefits of regular jogging.

On July 20, 1984, Fixx died at age 52 of a fulminant heart attack, after his daily run on Vermont Route 15 in Hardwick. - Wikipedia
 
2012-12-10 08:33:33 PM  
Eh, do you want to do while you're young, as you'll pay for it later...
 
2012-12-10 08:41:51 PM  

KrispyKritter: I saw a man running on Rt.22 in Hillside NJ. Borders Newark. Industrial area. During a work day you can see black flecks in the air like fine snow, all around you. And here is this a-hole running alongside a very busy car filled highway sucking in air you can see. bravo.

what are all you freaks running from anyway.

James Fuller Fixx (April 23, 1932 - July 20, 1984) was the author of the 1977 best-selling book, The Complete Book of Running. Best known as Jim Fixx, he is credited with helping start America's fitness revolution, popularizing the sport of running and demonstrating the health benefits of regular jogging.

On July 20, 1984, Fixx died at age 52 of a fulminant heart attack, after his daily run on Vermont Route 15 in Hardwick. - Wikipedia


Jim Fixx was also very obese and a chain smoker early in life. It was only in his late 20s that he began working out. He had also been showing symptoms of myocardial ischemia and coronary artery narrowing for weeks, but has chosen to ignore it. It's thought now that had he sought medical care when his symptoms first started, he would have survived. He was a prime candidate for a Coronary Artery Bypass Graft
 
2012-12-10 08:42:33 PM  
You dont stop running when you get old. You get old once you stop running.
 
2012-12-10 08:42:56 PM  

KrispyKritter: On July 20, 1984, Fixx died at age 52 of a fulminant heart attack, after his daily run on Vermont Route 15 in Hardwick. - Wikipedia


That's how old I am now.
And I stopped running in Middle School in his honor.
 
2012-12-10 08:43:04 PM  

KrispyKritter: I saw a man running on Rt.22 in Hillside NJ. Borders Newark. Industrial area. During a work day you can see black flecks in the air like fine snow, all around you. And here is this a-hole running alongside a very busy car filled highway sucking in air you can see. bravo.

what are all you freaks running from anyway.

James Fuller Fixx (April 23, 1932 - July 20, 1984) was the author of the 1977 best-selling book, The Complete Book of Running. Best known as Jim Fixx, he is credited with helping start America's fitness revolution, popularizing the sport of running and demonstrating the health benefits of regular jogging.

On July 20, 1984, Fixx died at age 52 of a fulminant heart attack, after his daily run on Vermont Route 15 in Hardwick. - Wikipedia


He....

nevermind.
 
2012-12-10 08:46:26 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: It's all the bouncing, that cant be good for your brain.


You mean like when you're watching a woman jogging in a sports bra?
 
2012-12-10 08:50:28 PM  
I love running, jogging is OK. Trail running is great, it's just brisk sight seeing. I like urban running also, in that the trails in the outskirts of Boston are loaded with...a different kind of sight seeing. Then again, in most settings, running on a treadmill provides all the sightseeing you need, and when you look up at the televisions there's usually a game on.
/I speak in Obvious Code
 
2012-12-10 08:52:04 PM  
I would say most "joggers" I see out actually are pretty dumb. They "jog" slower than I could walk all while bashing their knees, back, and whoknowswhat to shiat. Either run or walk, don't do that bouncy slow-ass shiat, it's no good for anybody.
 
2012-12-10 08:54:01 PM  

Carth: I'd go out of my mind with boredom trying to maintain a aerobic heart rate for 1-2 hours working out in my living room.


1-2 hours? I'd rather shoot myself in the face. What can you get done in 20 minutes?
 
2012-12-10 08:56:03 PM  
I feel more stupider after reeding that artical.
 
2012-12-10 08:56:08 PM  
1. Recumbent bike
2. XBox 360
 
2012-12-10 08:59:38 PM  

t3knomanser: Carth: I'd go out of my mind with boredom trying to maintain a aerobic heart rate for 1-2 hours working out in my living room.

1-2 hours? I'd rather shoot myself in the face. What can you get done in 20 minutes?


I like doing marathons and triathlons.
 
2012-12-10 08:59:44 PM  

Ambivalence: I don't get jogging. Biking i get. Swimming i get. If I'm running it's because something is chasing me. The idea of running for pleasure is just whack.


I don't run for pleasure, I run so that I can be in shape and not die at 45 years old.
 
2012-12-10 09:00:08 PM  

Elzar: Joggers are dumb - runners on the other hand are farking awesome.

/ Slower then 10min/mi pace - you are a farking jogger


2:05:13 on my last Half. I'm a runner?
 
2012-12-10 09:00:35 PM  
Shiat. Someone's telling city folk the country is safe and healthy again. I'm gonna have to screw my cousin and ass rape some river rafters to scare 'em off.
 
2012-12-10 09:03:19 PM  

Carth: I like doing marathons and triathlons.


I like that about as much as shooting myself in the face. But let's not kid- once you crest about 20 minutes or so, you've stopped doing exercise in the sense that "you are increasing your body's capacity for activity" and are mostly flushing your blood with endorphins.
 
2012-12-10 09:04:08 PM  
Subby: Scientists say joggers are dumb
Article: Scientists say exercise while living in a city makes you dumb, because of the pollution.

Conclusion: Subby lives in a city.
 
2012-12-10 09:07:21 PM  

CommieTaoist: Well at least they're not as dumb as bicyclists are.


you sound fat.
 
2012-12-10 09:09:02 PM  

BronyMedic: fulminant


Here is a question for you, since I know you probably know, but what tends to be the cause of what I suppose is a 'Fulminant' heart attack. But that I means, why suddenly would the muscle fall out of rythym? Bad electrical firing? A slow and accumulating lack of oxygen? This whole 'It was working and then it suddenly stopped working' is naturally terrifying, but it seems so random. Heart disease is one thing for sure, but that's not a sudden, sharp change. I think I'm fouling up how I'm asking, I hope you'll see what I'm asking. It just seems so odd that suddenly, a reasonably healthy person should drop dead from something other than a bullet.
 
2012-12-10 09:12:04 PM  

power_slave: I run between 50 and 70 miles per month in my victorian neighborhood through various parks and sometimes drive to the foothills to trail run (Denver). I experience increased metabolism and a brighter outlook plus I feel smarter so I probably am as a result. I am 30 and have been running since 20 and the occasional visit to a good sports physical therapist can keep your body aligned and tuned up perfectly. Never suffered a serious injury and knees are fine. So uh, whatever.


Which neighborhood do you live in? I'm sure we've run some of the same trails in the foothills.
 
2012-12-10 09:12:12 PM  
Meh, just wear a rebel flag shirt and go jogging in Detriot. You'll learn how to run fast. Or dodge the gunfire.
 
2012-12-10 09:13:18 PM  
I prefer to just slam my knees against a brick wall, thanks.
 
2012-12-10 09:15:29 PM  

BronyMedic: Jim Fixx was also very obese and a chain smoker early in life. It was only in his late 20s that he began working out. He had also been showing symptoms of myocardial ischemia and coronary artery narrowing for weeks, but has chosen to ignore it. It's thought now that had he sought medical care when his symptoms first started, he would have survived. He was a prime candidate for a Coronary Artery Bypass Graft


Also IIRC, Fix had a family history of heart attacks in males which in part prompted his fixation (if you will) with running and health.
 
2012-12-10 09:17:33 PM  
Go be skinny somewhere else?
 
2012-12-10 09:17:35 PM  
Yes, I could get the same cardiac benefits from walking, or swimming, or spinning. I run for something more. If you don't understand...I can't help you. Try it. Maybe you'll get it. Or don't. #YOLO
 
2012-12-10 09:18:00 PM  
I started jogging to get some endurance. I can get all the way over your wife in 30 minutes now.. No way I coulda done that before.
 
2012-12-10 09:20:24 PM  

KrispyKritter: I saw a man running on Rt.22 in Hillside NJ. Borders Newark. Industrial area. During a work day you can see black flecks in the air like fine snow, all around you. And here is this a-hole running alongside a very busy car filled highway sucking in air you can see. bravo.

what are all you freaks running from anyway.

James Fuller Fixx (April 23, 1932 - July 20, 1984) was the author of the 1977 best-selling book, The Complete Book of Running. Best known as Jim Fixx, he is credited with helping start America's fitness revolution, popularizing the sport of running and demonstrating the health benefits of regular jogging.

On July 20, 1984, Fixx died at age 52 of a fulminant heart attack, after his daily run on Vermont Route 15 in Hardwick. - Wikipedia


Well, now, YOU'RE not too jolly, are you?
 
2012-12-10 09:26:25 PM  

cjoshuav: Elzar: Joggers are dumb - runners on the other hand are farking awesome.

/ Slower then 10min/mi pace - you are a farking jogger

2:05:13 on my last Half. I'm a runner?


Don't listen to anyone with stupid pace cutoffs for runners.
 
2012-12-10 09:36:03 PM  

t3knomanser: Carth: I'd go out of my mind with boredom trying to maintain a aerobic heart rate for 1-2 hours working out in my living room.

1-2 hours? I'd rather shoot myself in the face. What can you get done in 20 minutes?


Nobody needs 1-2 hours of cardio a day. That's a lot of wasted time. Or somebody's fixated and needs to up their OCD meds.

Anyway, I manage to combine exercise and commuting into biking or walking to work. That way I don't have to go out of my way to be tired and sweaty.
 
2012-12-10 09:42:17 PM  

Acharne: BronyMedic: fulminant

Here is a question for you, since I know you probably know, but what tends to be the cause of what I suppose is a 'Fulminant' heart attack. But that I means, why suddenly would the muscle fall out of rythym? Bad electrical firing? A slow and accumulating lack of oxygen? This whole 'It was working and then it suddenly stopped working' is naturally terrifying, but it seems so random. Heart disease is one thing for sure, but that's not a sudden, sharp change. I think I'm fouling up how I'm asking, I hope you'll see what I'm asking. It just seems so odd that suddenly, a reasonably healthy person should drop dead from something other than a bullet.


The word Fulminant itself just means sudden and severe. For example. someone who overdoses on massive amounts of Tylenol might experience Fulminant liver failure in the next three days. The opposite of it is insidious, which means it was slow and stealthy. You really don't use it to describe heart attacks anymore because of a change in the culture of how they are treated - i.e. Time is Muscle. The more time you waste just treating symptoms, the more heart muscle becomes irrevocably dead. They need an ER to deliver TPA, a cath lab, or they need an OR to re-perfuse that heart muscle.

What happens in a "heart attack", or a myocardial infarction is a part of the coronary arterial branch becomes blocked, either through vasospasm - like you would see in a Cocaine-induced heart attack, through a thrombus or an emboli (Like you see in most heart attacks), or through an interruption in the coronary pathway - like an aortic aneurysm or direct trauma to the chest. The most deadly kind of heart attacks are known as a ST-Segment Elevation Myocardial Infarction, which are named because of the 12-lead EKG changes that will be seen associated with the branch of the coronary artery that is completely blocked. You can also have Q-Wave MI, which means the heart attack has been going on for a long period of time, and NSTEMI, which means the heart is ischemic, but not completely blocked. That cardiac muscle depends on two things, and two things alone to survive - oxygen and glucose. When it doesn't get the oxygen it needs to continue to function, it cannot depolarize like normal. The heart muscle becomes irritable, and begins firing erratically. This erratic firing can cause the heart to go into a fatal, non-perfusing rhythm, either Ventricular Tachycardia without a Pulse, or Ventricular Fibrillation. This is what is known as a Sudden Cardiac Arrest. At that point, the only thing that will save their lives is immediate, effective CPR, coupled with either an AED, or the rapid response of an Advanced Life Support-capable ambulance, and rapid transport to a definitive cardiac care facility.

This is why people are taught if they are afraid they are having a heart attack to call 911, and not drive themselves to the hospital. The number one killer of people who have heart attacks are lethal arrhythmias in the first 24-48 hours after.

You'll forgive me for linking to wikipedia on this, because MI is the kind of thing you can literally write textbooks on trying to explain it.

What happened in Jim Fixx's case was that he ignored the symptoms of myocardial ischemia (heart muscle starved for oxygen but still able to survive), caused by a narrowing of his coronary artery which limited the blood-flow to the myocardium, for weeks before he collapsed dead in sudden cardiac arrest. When the coronary artery became occluded, his heart muscle was so irritable and stressed that he immediately went into a lethal heart arrhythmia and died. Fixx was a classic case of sudden cardiac death.
 
2012-12-10 09:44:12 PM  

bacongood: cjoshuav: Elzar: Joggers are dumb - runners on the other hand are farking awesome.

/ Slower then 10min/mi pace - you are a farking jogger

2:05:13 on my last Half. I'm a runner?

Don't listen to anyone with stupid pace cutoffs for runners.


Seriously. By the apparent definition of some of these people, I'm probably moving backwards. But my knees feel great.
 
2012-12-10 09:45:09 PM  

t3knomanser: Carth: I like doing marathons and triathlons.

I like that about as much as shooting myself in the face. But let's not kid- once you crest about 20 minutes or so, you've stopped doing exercise in the sense that "you are increasing your body's capacity for activity" and are mostly flushing your blood with endorphins.


I don't even think I could get through squats, OHP, deadlifts in 20 minutes. 3 sets each, 5 minute rest between sets that alone will take me about 45 minutes.
 
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2012-12-10 09:45:17 PM  

cptjeff: I tend to prefer playing hockey, I just can't get into running without some level of competition


If you have a smartphone try strava run, think of it as turn-based racing. The bike version really helps keep me motivated on my bike rides. Link
 
2012-12-10 09:48:50 PM  

Acharne: It just seems so odd that suddenly, a reasonably healthy person should drop dead from something other than a bullet.


Also, the problem is that even though they outwardly look healthy, they are not. People who have heart attacks can be in the prime of their life, able to run 15 miles a day, and eat like a grazing animal. That's the fallacy of saying heart disease is strictly the realm of the obese and sedentary. While these are INDEED major risk factors for it, they are not the only ones.

www.kingcounty.gov

Early recognition that something is going on is the way people save lives. Often times, people who are having a heart attack write it off as indigestion or a sudden illness, and ignore the symptoms until it's too late.
 
2012-12-10 09:51:26 PM  
Fark: Where Morbid Obesity is not just attractive and good for you, it makes you smart.
 
2012-12-10 10:08:26 PM  

Carth: t3knomanser: Carth: I like doing marathons and triathlons.

I like that about as much as shooting myself in the face. But let's not kid- once you crest about 20 minutes or so, you've stopped doing exercise in the sense that "you are increasing your body's capacity for activity" and are mostly flushing your blood with endorphins.

I don't even think I could get through squats, OHP, deadlifts in 20 minutes. 3 sets each, 5 minute rest between sets that alone will take me about 45 minutes.


From what I know of the Crossfit nutjobs (TM), the idea is that you do the workout without taking breaks.
 
2012-12-10 10:16:21 PM  
My Grandma moved from Binghamton NY to Clarksburg CA in the mid 80's. She saw many joggers bobbing past her kitchen window on the country road.

She noted, 20 years later, most were no longer jogging but gingerly caring for new bionic knees.

Grandma continued not jogging after many of the health nuts kicked the bucket, outliving them by 10-15 years.

/sensible farm life FTW
/I hope to die like she, from being very old
 
2012-12-10 10:21:22 PM  
BronyMedic

Super appreciated, thank you! You've done a magnificent job of answering my question. My family is a cancer-free sea of heart attacks and I keep thinking this is important stuff to know.
 
2012-12-10 10:23:33 PM  
It's all the bouncing, that cant be good for your brain. \

Garrison Keillor: "I don't jog because jogging joggles your brain."

/He never played in the NFL either.
 
2012-12-10 10:23:51 PM  

farkingismybusiness: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 305x400]
It's just a fad.


CBCNews.ca: I would think [The Six Million Dollar Man] would have been grueling on you physically. I mean you're always running.

Majors: It was and I'm paying for it these days. I've had recent knee surgery. Both knees are kind of down to the bone and [I have] a little bit of back problems. It's from almost 48 years of stunt work. I did 90 per cent of all my stuff.

I remember running up at Edwards Air Force Base. It was about 100 degrees and running on a runway and I had to run towards the camera. It was about 60 yards and straight into camera. I would run my butt off and they would say, "Sorry, we mis-focused, we gotta do it again." After about six, seven, eight times, I'm going, "Guys, if you don't get it, you're not going to have it, 'cause I don't have many more left -- 'cause I was really running."
 
2012-12-10 10:24:53 PM  

Carth: t3knomanser: Carth: I like doing marathons and triathlons.

I like that about as much as shooting myself in the face. But let's not kid- once you crest about 20 minutes or so, you've stopped doing exercise in the sense that "you are increasing your body's capacity for activity" and are mostly flushing your blood with endorphins.

I don't even think I could get through squats, OHP, deadlifts in 20 minutes. 3 sets each, 5 minute rest between sets that alone will take me about 45 minutes.


squats or deadlifts by themselves would take me about twenty minutes.

Jogging is so inefficient. You can do HIITs or sled pushing for twenty minutes and have more aerobic stress than an hour and a half of jogging.
 
2012-12-10 10:36:40 PM  

reimanr06: Carth: t3knomanser: Carth: I like doing marathons and triathlons.

I like that about as much as shooting myself in the face. But let's not kid- once you crest about 20 minutes or so, you've stopped doing exercise in the sense that "you are increasing your body's capacity for activity" and are mostly flushing your blood with endorphins.

I don't even think I could get through squats, OHP, deadlifts in 20 minutes. 3 sets each, 5 minute rest between sets that alone will take me about 45 minutes.

From what I know of the Crossfit nutjobs (TM), the idea is that you do the workout without taking breaks.


God, I would never make it. I follow Mark Rippetoe's starting strength when i do weights. Five minutes seems really short sometimes and I need time myself so i don't rest longer.
 
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