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2012-12-10 04:33:07 PM  
It's all the bouncing, that cant be good for your brain.
 
2012-12-10 05:19:22 PM  
So the runner's high is really just carbon monoxide?
 
2012-12-10 05:35:24 PM  
Well at least they're not as dumb as bicyclists are.
 
2012-12-10 05:59:31 PM  
Joggers are dumb - runners on the other hand are farking awesome.

/ Slower then 10min/mi pace - you are a farking jogger
 
2012-12-10 06:06:21 PM  
Urban jogging may be making you dumber


Urbane jogging, on the other hand, enriches your life as you jog down the street with a leather-bound copy of A Tale of Two Cities in one hand and a brandy snifter in the other hand.
 
2012-12-10 06:53:17 PM  
Suburban fresh air better than carbon monoxide laden city air when working out, ya say? Good tip, Champ.
 
2012-12-10 07:00:11 PM  
I never feel better than after a good run - it really helps you feel alive. There's nothing like running on a crisp morning, the light breeze in your face, your numb left arm, the smell of burnt toast in the air, the distant sound of the ambulance as everything goes dark.

It's magical.
 
2012-12-10 07:26:32 PM  
I don't get jogging. Biking i get. Swimming i get. If I'm running it's because something is chasing me. The idea of running for pleasure is just whack.
 
2012-12-10 07:52:52 PM  
This explains the idiocy of all urban bicyclists!

/farking hates all bicyclists that aren't in the woods
 
2012-12-10 07:53:47 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: It's all the bouncing, that cant be good for your brain.


Brain, knees, ankles, tits...
 
2012-12-10 07:53:59 PM  

Ed Finnerty: I never feel better than after a good run - it really helps you feel alive. There's nothing like running on a crisp morning, the light breeze in your face, your numb left arm, the smell of burnt toast in the air, the distant sound of the ambulance as everything goes dark.

It's magical.


gifs.gifbin.com
 
2012-12-10 07:54:20 PM  

CommieTaoist: Well at least they're not as dumb as bicyclists are.


Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr
 
2012-12-10 07:54:38 PM  

Ambivalence: I don't get jogging. Biking i get. Swimming i get. If I'm running it's because something is chasing me. The idea of running for pleasure is just whack.


t1.gstatic.com
 
2012-12-10 07:54:47 PM  
So being outside in pollution often is bad for you. This shouldn't be a surprise.
 
2012-12-10 07:55:01 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: CommieTaoist: Well at least they're not as dumb as bicyclists are.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

eat!

/FTFY
 
2012-12-10 07:56:27 PM  

Ambivalence: I don't get jogging. Biking i get. Swimming i get. If I'm running it's because something is chasing me. The idea of running for pleasure is just whack.


I run because I'm not a runner; it's something I suck at and I hate sucking at things. Plus it makes you healthier and is free.
 
2012-12-10 07:57:19 PM  
I don't get running on the street. Trail running is fun, largely because it lets you put in a lot more distance than you could do hiking, but running in a city just sounds like hell.
 
2012-12-10 07:57:21 PM  
Joggers find all the bodies.
 
2012-12-10 07:57:28 PM  

Ambivalence: I don't get jogging. Biking i get. Swimming i get. If I'm running it's because something is chasing me. The idea of running for pleasure is just whack.


Cycling is what you do when your joints can't take running and you have a few thousand dollars to spend.
 
2012-12-10 07:57:31 PM  
FTA "New research in Belgium shows that people who live in a city and exercise outdoors have higher levels of inflammation and lower scores on cognitive tests than those who exercise outside in the suburbs"

It's not the outdoor exercise that's making you dumb; it's living in a city.
 
2012-12-10 07:58:15 PM  
If you actually want to get in shape, lift heavy things once a week for 30 minutes and you'll be fine.

Also, sleep more and eat right.
 
2012-12-10 07:58:59 PM  
Running? Pfft. I play real sports. Not trying to be the best at exercisin'.
 
2012-12-10 07:59:48 PM  
There's so many problems with this article it isn't even funny. This article is what will make you dumber.
 
2012-12-10 08:00:34 PM  

Ambivalence: I don't get jogging. Biking i get. Swimming i get. If I'm running it's because something is chasing me. The idea of running for pleasure is just whack.


Jogging and running isn't the same.
 
2012-12-10 08:00:59 PM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-12-10 08:01:46 PM  
I believe it's pronounced, to yawg.
 
2012-12-10 08:01:50 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Uchiha_Cycliste: CommieTaoist: Well at least they're not as dumb as bicyclists are.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrreat!

/FTFY


No no, I'm fairly certain that does not reflect my sentiment.


that's better.
 
2012-12-10 08:02:00 PM  
I remember being told exactly the same information by one of my college professors 14 years ago.

/old news, exciting, etc.
 
2012-12-10 08:02:37 PM  

taurusowner: FTA "New research in Belgium shows that people who live in a city and exercise outdoors have higher levels of inflammation and lower scores on cognitive tests than those who exercise outside in the suburbs"

It's not the outdoor exercise that's making you dumb; it's living in a city.


thank you... please come again!
 
2012-12-10 08:02:55 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
It's just a fad.
 
2012-12-10 08:03:26 PM  

Ambivalence: I don't get jogging. Biking i get. Swimming i get. If I'm running it's because something is chasing me. The idea of running for pleasure is just whack.


The heart is a muscle. It needs a good workout to get healthy and strong. Since it can't lift weights, there is no better way to work out the heart than to go running.

/swimming and biking are good too
//but running is best because it can be done anywhere.
 
2012-12-10 08:05:26 PM  
fta: Study participants were split into two groups: Fifteen in an urban location, and nine in a rural environment.

A sample set of 24? ....study is complete horseshiat and based on insufficient data with way too many variables involved to make this sort of claim.

Call me back when you at least have a couple thousand.
 
2012-12-10 08:08:38 PM  

AutumnWind: Joggers find all the bodies.


BS. The guy that found Chandra Levy was hunting for turtles. The joggers zipped right by.
 
2012-12-10 08:09:22 PM  

farkingismybusiness: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 305x400]
It's just a fad.


1] put on jacket
2] unzip jacket
3] ???

I imagine by the time they get anywhere, they're naked.
 
2012-12-10 08:09:26 PM  
A few notes:

Running is not free - the wear and tear on your body can cost thousands.
It is not the best for your heart - several studies claim swimming to be better, and lower impact on the joints
Runner chicks are the best.


/Former runner
//The day I decided to hang up the spikes was the day my body started loving me again.
 
2012-12-10 08:10:02 PM  

Ishkur: Call me back when you at least have a couple thousand.


Statistics do not work that way!

But seriously, 24 is a pretty small sample; a few hundred would be more than sufficient.
 
2012-12-10 08:10:48 PM  

Ishkur: there is no better way to work out the heart than to go running.


Aside from sex.

And anything but running, which is the most miserable experience a human being can endure. You want me to do weighted jump lunges? Fine. Burpees? No problem. Burpees with pullups inbetween? Awesome. I wreck that shiat.

Running? Go fark yourself.

Ishkur: but running is best because it can be done anywhere.


It can't be done in my living room. I can get a fantastic workout, with plenty of cardio, in my living room. But I can't run in my living room.
 
2012-12-10 08:11:15 PM  
24 people seems like a very small sample size to detect any meaningful difference, but I have no doubt that exercising in a cloud of car exhaust and industrial pollution is not the best option.
 
2012-12-10 08:11:37 PM  
I live in the city, but only jog in the wee hours of the morning. Sudden death should probably be more of an immediate concern than pollution.
 
2012-12-10 08:12:05 PM  
img.izismile.com
 
2012-12-10 08:12:27 PM  
People who live in a city and exercise outdoors have lower scores on cognitive tests than those who exercise outside in the suburbs.
Conclusion: Urban joggers are dumber than suburban joggers.

Which stands to reason, considering it's more dangerous to job in the city, requiring a mindset that is probably less adept at thinking possible consequences things through all the way and more prone to risky behavior.

This probably also explains why urban dwellers are predominantly liberal and suburban dwellers are predominantly conservative.
 
2012-12-10 08:12:34 PM  

farkingismybusiness: [25.media.tumblr.com image 550x305]

 

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2012-12-10 08:12:42 PM  

t3knomanser: Ishkur: there is no better way to work out the heart than to go running.

Aside from sex.

And anything but running, which is the most miserable experience a human being can endure. You want me to do weighted jump lunges? Fine. Burpees? No problem. Burpees with pullups inbetween? Awesome. I wreck that shiat.

Running? Go fark yourself.

Ishkur: but running is best because it can be done anywhere.

It can't be done in my living room. I can get a fantastic workout, with plenty of cardio, in my living room. But I can't run in my living room.

To walk briskly

 
2012-12-10 08:14:26 PM  
This bears repeating: walking briskly is as good if not better for lack of detrimental impact on the joints and meniscuses, yo. *)
 
2012-12-10 08:14:29 PM  
"I don't jog. It makes the ice slosh out of my glass."
--Martin Mull
 
2012-12-10 08:14:55 PM  

Silly Jesus: This explains the idiocy of all urban bicyclists!

/farking hates all bicyclists that aren't in the woods


Agreed, had an ex g/f buy me a ti road bike for my birthday, 8 yrs on it has maybe 6 miles on it. OTOH, I'm on my 6th Mt. Bike. Cars and bicycles don't mix well.
 
2012-12-10 08:16:29 PM  

t3knomanser: Ishkur: there is no better way to work out the heart than to go running.

Aside from sex.

And anything but running, which is the most miserable experience a human being can endure. You want me to do weighted jump lunges? Fine. Burpees? No problem. Burpees with pullups inbetween? Awesome. I wreck that shiat.

Running? Go fark yourself.

Ishkur: but running is best because it can be done anywhere.

It can't be done in my living room. I can get a fantastic workout, with plenty of cardio, in my living room. But I can't run in my living room.


I'd go out of my mind with boredom trying to maintain a aerobic heart rate for 1-2 hours working out in my living room. Running for that time however is pretty easy.
 
2012-12-10 08:18:02 PM  
Our environment is screwed.
 
2012-12-10 08:22:23 PM  
I run between 50 and 70 miles per month in my victorian neighborhood through various parks and sometimes drive to the foothills to trail run (Denver). I experience increased metabolism and a brighter outlook plus I feel smarter so I probably am as a result. I am 30 and have been running since 20 and the occasional visit to a good sports physical therapist can keep your body aligned and tuned up perfectly. Never suffered a serious injury and knees are fine. So uh, whatever.
 
2012-12-10 08:23:11 PM  

t3knomanser: It can't be done in my living room.


2.bp.blogspot.com

/just saying
//all your other cardio suggestions are great also
///but nothing targets the heart quite like running
////and swimming and biking
 
2012-12-10 08:23:59 PM  

Ed Finnerty: I never feel better than after a good run - it really helps you feel alive. There's nothing like running on a crisp morning, the light breeze in your face, your numb left arm, the smell of burnt toast in the air, the distant sound of the ambulance as everything goes dark.

It's magical.


You magnificent bastard. I just spit coke on my keyboard.
 
2012-12-10 08:24:49 PM  
That explains all the running I did in the military.

/The thought of running now makes me angry and all extremist-y
 
2012-12-10 08:25:31 PM  

Ishkur: fta: Study participants were split into two groups: Fifteen in an urban location, and nine in a rural environment.

A sample set of 24? ....study is complete horseshiat and based on insufficient data with way too many variables involved to make this sort of claim.

Call me back when you at least have a couple thousand.


THIS!

who are the idiots who don't realize how invalid this sample size is? Oh, it's everyone on fark
 
2012-12-10 08:25:48 PM  

Elzar: Joggers are dumb - runners on the other hand are farking awesome.

/ Slower then 10min/mi pace - you are a farking jogger walker

 
2012-12-10 08:30:26 PM  

Ishkur: Ambivalence: I don't get jogging. Biking i get. Swimming i get. If I'm running it's because something is chasing me. The idea of running for pleasure is just whack.

The heart is a muscle. It needs a good workout to get healthy and strong. Since it can't lift weights, there is no better way to work out the heart than to go running.

/swimming and biking are good too
//but running is best because it can be done anywhere.


I tend to prefer playing hockey, I just can't get into running without some level of competition. Costs a little more (okay, a lot more), but I don't die of boredom in the first 5 minutes.
 
2012-12-10 08:30:47 PM  
Jogging also makes you fatter, and less healthy. It's one of the worst forms of exercise.
 
2012-12-10 08:31:03 PM  

ggecko: [img.izismile.com image 500x428]


Butterfaces.
 
2012-12-10 08:31:50 PM  
I saw a man running on Rt.22 in Hillside NJ. Borders Newark. Industrial area. During a work day you can see black flecks in the air like fine snow, all around you. And here is this a-hole running alongside a very busy car filled highway sucking in air you can see. bravo.

what are all you freaks running from anyway.

James Fuller Fixx (April 23, 1932 - July 20, 1984) was the author of the 1977 best-selling book, The Complete Book of Running. Best known as Jim Fixx, he is credited with helping start America's fitness revolution, popularizing the sport of running and demonstrating the health benefits of regular jogging.

On July 20, 1984, Fixx died at age 52 of a fulminant heart attack, after his daily run on Vermont Route 15 in Hardwick. - Wikipedia
 
2012-12-10 08:33:33 PM  
Eh, do you want to do while you're young, as you'll pay for it later...
 
2012-12-10 08:41:51 PM  

KrispyKritter: I saw a man running on Rt.22 in Hillside NJ. Borders Newark. Industrial area. During a work day you can see black flecks in the air like fine snow, all around you. And here is this a-hole running alongside a very busy car filled highway sucking in air you can see. bravo.

what are all you freaks running from anyway.

James Fuller Fixx (April 23, 1932 - July 20, 1984) was the author of the 1977 best-selling book, The Complete Book of Running. Best known as Jim Fixx, he is credited with helping start America's fitness revolution, popularizing the sport of running and demonstrating the health benefits of regular jogging.

On July 20, 1984, Fixx died at age 52 of a fulminant heart attack, after his daily run on Vermont Route 15 in Hardwick. - Wikipedia


Jim Fixx was also very obese and a chain smoker early in life. It was only in his late 20s that he began working out. He had also been showing symptoms of myocardial ischemia and coronary artery narrowing for weeks, but has chosen to ignore it. It's thought now that had he sought medical care when his symptoms first started, he would have survived. He was a prime candidate for a Coronary Artery Bypass Graft
 
2012-12-10 08:42:33 PM  
You dont stop running when you get old. You get old once you stop running.
 
2012-12-10 08:42:56 PM  

KrispyKritter: On July 20, 1984, Fixx died at age 52 of a fulminant heart attack, after his daily run on Vermont Route 15 in Hardwick. - Wikipedia


That's how old I am now.
And I stopped running in Middle School in his honor.
 
2012-12-10 08:43:04 PM  

KrispyKritter: I saw a man running on Rt.22 in Hillside NJ. Borders Newark. Industrial area. During a work day you can see black flecks in the air like fine snow, all around you. And here is this a-hole running alongside a very busy car filled highway sucking in air you can see. bravo.

what are all you freaks running from anyway.

James Fuller Fixx (April 23, 1932 - July 20, 1984) was the author of the 1977 best-selling book, The Complete Book of Running. Best known as Jim Fixx, he is credited with helping start America's fitness revolution, popularizing the sport of running and demonstrating the health benefits of regular jogging.

On July 20, 1984, Fixx died at age 52 of a fulminant heart attack, after his daily run on Vermont Route 15 in Hardwick. - Wikipedia


He....

nevermind.
 
2012-12-10 08:46:26 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: It's all the bouncing, that cant be good for your brain.


You mean like when you're watching a woman jogging in a sports bra?
 
2012-12-10 08:50:28 PM  
I love running, jogging is OK. Trail running is great, it's just brisk sight seeing. I like urban running also, in that the trails in the outskirts of Boston are loaded with...a different kind of sight seeing. Then again, in most settings, running on a treadmill provides all the sightseeing you need, and when you look up at the televisions there's usually a game on.
/I speak in Obvious Code
 
2012-12-10 08:52:04 PM  
I would say most "joggers" I see out actually are pretty dumb. They "jog" slower than I could walk all while bashing their knees, back, and whoknowswhat to shiat. Either run or walk, don't do that bouncy slow-ass shiat, it's no good for anybody.
 
2012-12-10 08:54:01 PM  

Carth: I'd go out of my mind with boredom trying to maintain a aerobic heart rate for 1-2 hours working out in my living room.


1-2 hours? I'd rather shoot myself in the face. What can you get done in 20 minutes?
 
2012-12-10 08:56:03 PM  
I feel more stupider after reeding that artical.
 
2012-12-10 08:56:08 PM  
1. Recumbent bike
2. XBox 360
 
2012-12-10 08:59:38 PM  

t3knomanser: Carth: I'd go out of my mind with boredom trying to maintain a aerobic heart rate for 1-2 hours working out in my living room.

1-2 hours? I'd rather shoot myself in the face. What can you get done in 20 minutes?


I like doing marathons and triathlons.
 
2012-12-10 08:59:44 PM  

Ambivalence: I don't get jogging. Biking i get. Swimming i get. If I'm running it's because something is chasing me. The idea of running for pleasure is just whack.


I don't run for pleasure, I run so that I can be in shape and not die at 45 years old.
 
2012-12-10 09:00:08 PM  

Elzar: Joggers are dumb - runners on the other hand are farking awesome.

/ Slower then 10min/mi pace - you are a farking jogger


2:05:13 on my last Half. I'm a runner?
 
2012-12-10 09:00:35 PM  
Shiat. Someone's telling city folk the country is safe and healthy again. I'm gonna have to screw my cousin and ass rape some river rafters to scare 'em off.
 
2012-12-10 09:03:19 PM  

Carth: I like doing marathons and triathlons.


I like that about as much as shooting myself in the face. But let's not kid- once you crest about 20 minutes or so, you've stopped doing exercise in the sense that "you are increasing your body's capacity for activity" and are mostly flushing your blood with endorphins.
 
2012-12-10 09:04:08 PM  
Subby: Scientists say joggers are dumb
Article: Scientists say exercise while living in a city makes you dumb, because of the pollution.

Conclusion: Subby lives in a city.
 
2012-12-10 09:07:21 PM  

CommieTaoist: Well at least they're not as dumb as bicyclists are.


you sound fat.
 
2012-12-10 09:09:02 PM  

BronyMedic: fulminant


Here is a question for you, since I know you probably know, but what tends to be the cause of what I suppose is a 'Fulminant' heart attack. But that I means, why suddenly would the muscle fall out of rythym? Bad electrical firing? A slow and accumulating lack of oxygen? This whole 'It was working and then it suddenly stopped working' is naturally terrifying, but it seems so random. Heart disease is one thing for sure, but that's not a sudden, sharp change. I think I'm fouling up how I'm asking, I hope you'll see what I'm asking. It just seems so odd that suddenly, a reasonably healthy person should drop dead from something other than a bullet.
 
2012-12-10 09:12:04 PM  

power_slave: I run between 50 and 70 miles per month in my victorian neighborhood through various parks and sometimes drive to the foothills to trail run (Denver). I experience increased metabolism and a brighter outlook plus I feel smarter so I probably am as a result. I am 30 and have been running since 20 and the occasional visit to a good sports physical therapist can keep your body aligned and tuned up perfectly. Never suffered a serious injury and knees are fine. So uh, whatever.


Which neighborhood do you live in? I'm sure we've run some of the same trails in the foothills.
 
2012-12-10 09:12:12 PM  
Meh, just wear a rebel flag shirt and go jogging in Detriot. You'll learn how to run fast. Or dodge the gunfire.
 
2012-12-10 09:13:18 PM  
I prefer to just slam my knees against a brick wall, thanks.
 
2012-12-10 09:15:29 PM  

BronyMedic: Jim Fixx was also very obese and a chain smoker early in life. It was only in his late 20s that he began working out. He had also been showing symptoms of myocardial ischemia and coronary artery narrowing for weeks, but has chosen to ignore it. It's thought now that had he sought medical care when his symptoms first started, he would have survived. He was a prime candidate for a Coronary Artery Bypass Graft


Also IIRC, Fix had a family history of heart attacks in males which in part prompted his fixation (if you will) with running and health.
 
2012-12-10 09:17:33 PM  
Go be skinny somewhere else?
 
2012-12-10 09:17:35 PM  
Yes, I could get the same cardiac benefits from walking, or swimming, or spinning. I run for something more. If you don't understand...I can't help you. Try it. Maybe you'll get it. Or don't. #YOLO
 
2012-12-10 09:18:00 PM  
I started jogging to get some endurance. I can get all the way over your wife in 30 minutes now.. No way I coulda done that before.
 
2012-12-10 09:20:24 PM  

KrispyKritter: I saw a man running on Rt.22 in Hillside NJ. Borders Newark. Industrial area. During a work day you can see black flecks in the air like fine snow, all around you. And here is this a-hole running alongside a very busy car filled highway sucking in air you can see. bravo.

what are all you freaks running from anyway.

James Fuller Fixx (April 23, 1932 - July 20, 1984) was the author of the 1977 best-selling book, The Complete Book of Running. Best known as Jim Fixx, he is credited with helping start America's fitness revolution, popularizing the sport of running and demonstrating the health benefits of regular jogging.

On July 20, 1984, Fixx died at age 52 of a fulminant heart attack, after his daily run on Vermont Route 15 in Hardwick. - Wikipedia


Well, now, YOU'RE not too jolly, are you?
 
2012-12-10 09:26:25 PM  

cjoshuav: Elzar: Joggers are dumb - runners on the other hand are farking awesome.

/ Slower then 10min/mi pace - you are a farking jogger

2:05:13 on my last Half. I'm a runner?


Don't listen to anyone with stupid pace cutoffs for runners.
 
2012-12-10 09:36:03 PM  

t3knomanser: Carth: I'd go out of my mind with boredom trying to maintain a aerobic heart rate for 1-2 hours working out in my living room.

1-2 hours? I'd rather shoot myself in the face. What can you get done in 20 minutes?


Nobody needs 1-2 hours of cardio a day. That's a lot of wasted time. Or somebody's fixated and needs to up their OCD meds.

Anyway, I manage to combine exercise and commuting into biking or walking to work. That way I don't have to go out of my way to be tired and sweaty.
 
2012-12-10 09:42:17 PM  

Acharne: BronyMedic: fulminant

Here is a question for you, since I know you probably know, but what tends to be the cause of what I suppose is a 'Fulminant' heart attack. But that I means, why suddenly would the muscle fall out of rythym? Bad electrical firing? A slow and accumulating lack of oxygen? This whole 'It was working and then it suddenly stopped working' is naturally terrifying, but it seems so random. Heart disease is one thing for sure, but that's not a sudden, sharp change. I think I'm fouling up how I'm asking, I hope you'll see what I'm asking. It just seems so odd that suddenly, a reasonably healthy person should drop dead from something other than a bullet.


The word Fulminant itself just means sudden and severe. For example. someone who overdoses on massive amounts of Tylenol might experience Fulminant liver failure in the next three days. The opposite of it is insidious, which means it was slow and stealthy. You really don't use it to describe heart attacks anymore because of a change in the culture of how they are treated - i.e. Time is Muscle. The more time you waste just treating symptoms, the more heart muscle becomes irrevocably dead. They need an ER to deliver TPA, a cath lab, or they need an OR to re-perfuse that heart muscle.

What happens in a "heart attack", or a myocardial infarction is a part of the coronary arterial branch becomes blocked, either through vasospasm - like you would see in a Cocaine-induced heart attack, through a thrombus or an emboli (Like you see in most heart attacks), or through an interruption in the coronary pathway - like an aortic aneurysm or direct trauma to the chest. The most deadly kind of heart attacks are known as a ST-Segment Elevation Myocardial Infarction, which are named because of the 12-lead EKG changes that will be seen associated with the branch of the coronary artery that is completely blocked. You can also have Q-Wave MI, which means the heart attack has been going on for a long period of time, and NSTEMI, which means the heart is ischemic, but not completely blocked. That cardiac muscle depends on two things, and two things alone to survive - oxygen and glucose. When it doesn't get the oxygen it needs to continue to function, it cannot depolarize like normal. The heart muscle becomes irritable, and begins firing erratically. This erratic firing can cause the heart to go into a fatal, non-perfusing rhythm, either Ventricular Tachycardia without a Pulse, or Ventricular Fibrillation. This is what is known as a Sudden Cardiac Arrest. At that point, the only thing that will save their lives is immediate, effective CPR, coupled with either an AED, or the rapid response of an Advanced Life Support-capable ambulance, and rapid transport to a definitive cardiac care facility.

This is why people are taught if they are afraid they are having a heart attack to call 911, and not drive themselves to the hospital. The number one killer of people who have heart attacks are lethal arrhythmias in the first 24-48 hours after.

You'll forgive me for linking to wikipedia on this, because MI is the kind of thing you can literally write textbooks on trying to explain it.

What happened in Jim Fixx's case was that he ignored the symptoms of myocardial ischemia (heart muscle starved for oxygen but still able to survive), caused by a narrowing of his coronary artery which limited the blood-flow to the myocardium, for weeks before he collapsed dead in sudden cardiac arrest. When the coronary artery became occluded, his heart muscle was so irritable and stressed that he immediately went into a lethal heart arrhythmia and died. Fixx was a classic case of sudden cardiac death.
 
2012-12-10 09:44:12 PM  

bacongood: cjoshuav: Elzar: Joggers are dumb - runners on the other hand are farking awesome.

/ Slower then 10min/mi pace - you are a farking jogger

2:05:13 on my last Half. I'm a runner?

Don't listen to anyone with stupid pace cutoffs for runners.


Seriously. By the apparent definition of some of these people, I'm probably moving backwards. But my knees feel great.
 
2012-12-10 09:45:09 PM  

t3knomanser: Carth: I like doing marathons and triathlons.

I like that about as much as shooting myself in the face. But let's not kid- once you crest about 20 minutes or so, you've stopped doing exercise in the sense that "you are increasing your body's capacity for activity" and are mostly flushing your blood with endorphins.


I don't even think I could get through squats, OHP, deadlifts in 20 minutes. 3 sets each, 5 minute rest between sets that alone will take me about 45 minutes.
 
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2012-12-10 09:45:17 PM  

cptjeff: I tend to prefer playing hockey, I just can't get into running without some level of competition


If you have a smartphone try strava run, think of it as turn-based racing. The bike version really helps keep me motivated on my bike rides. Link
 
2012-12-10 09:48:50 PM  

Acharne: It just seems so odd that suddenly, a reasonably healthy person should drop dead from something other than a bullet.


Also, the problem is that even though they outwardly look healthy, they are not. People who have heart attacks can be in the prime of their life, able to run 15 miles a day, and eat like a grazing animal. That's the fallacy of saying heart disease is strictly the realm of the obese and sedentary. While these are INDEED major risk factors for it, they are not the only ones.

www.kingcounty.gov

Early recognition that something is going on is the way people save lives. Often times, people who are having a heart attack write it off as indigestion or a sudden illness, and ignore the symptoms until it's too late.
 
2012-12-10 09:51:26 PM  
Fark: Where Morbid Obesity is not just attractive and good for you, it makes you smart.
 
2012-12-10 10:08:26 PM  

Carth: t3knomanser: Carth: I like doing marathons and triathlons.

I like that about as much as shooting myself in the face. But let's not kid- once you crest about 20 minutes or so, you've stopped doing exercise in the sense that "you are increasing your body's capacity for activity" and are mostly flushing your blood with endorphins.

I don't even think I could get through squats, OHP, deadlifts in 20 minutes. 3 sets each, 5 minute rest between sets that alone will take me about 45 minutes.


From what I know of the Crossfit nutjobs (TM), the idea is that you do the workout without taking breaks.
 
2012-12-10 10:16:21 PM  
My Grandma moved from Binghamton NY to Clarksburg CA in the mid 80's. She saw many joggers bobbing past her kitchen window on the country road.

She noted, 20 years later, most were no longer jogging but gingerly caring for new bionic knees.

Grandma continued not jogging after many of the health nuts kicked the bucket, outliving them by 10-15 years.

/sensible farm life FTW
/I hope to die like she, from being very old
 
2012-12-10 10:21:22 PM  
BronyMedic

Super appreciated, thank you! You've done a magnificent job of answering my question. My family is a cancer-free sea of heart attacks and I keep thinking this is important stuff to know.
 
2012-12-10 10:23:33 PM  
It's all the bouncing, that cant be good for your brain. \

Garrison Keillor: "I don't jog because jogging joggles your brain."

/He never played in the NFL either.
 
2012-12-10 10:23:51 PM  

farkingismybusiness: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 305x400]
It's just a fad.


CBCNews.ca: I would think [The Six Million Dollar Man] would have been grueling on you physically. I mean you're always running.

Majors: It was and I'm paying for it these days. I've had recent knee surgery. Both knees are kind of down to the bone and [I have] a little bit of back problems. It's from almost 48 years of stunt work. I did 90 per cent of all my stuff.

I remember running up at Edwards Air Force Base. It was about 100 degrees and running on a runway and I had to run towards the camera. It was about 60 yards and straight into camera. I would run my butt off and they would say, "Sorry, we mis-focused, we gotta do it again." After about six, seven, eight times, I'm going, "Guys, if you don't get it, you're not going to have it, 'cause I don't have many more left -- 'cause I was really running."
 
2012-12-10 10:24:53 PM  

Carth: t3knomanser: Carth: I like doing marathons and triathlons.

I like that about as much as shooting myself in the face. But let's not kid- once you crest about 20 minutes or so, you've stopped doing exercise in the sense that "you are increasing your body's capacity for activity" and are mostly flushing your blood with endorphins.

I don't even think I could get through squats, OHP, deadlifts in 20 minutes. 3 sets each, 5 minute rest between sets that alone will take me about 45 minutes.


squats or deadlifts by themselves would take me about twenty minutes.

Jogging is so inefficient. You can do HIITs or sled pushing for twenty minutes and have more aerobic stress than an hour and a half of jogging.
 
2012-12-10 10:36:40 PM  

reimanr06: Carth: t3knomanser: Carth: I like doing marathons and triathlons.

I like that about as much as shooting myself in the face. But let's not kid- once you crest about 20 minutes or so, you've stopped doing exercise in the sense that "you are increasing your body's capacity for activity" and are mostly flushing your blood with endorphins.

I don't even think I could get through squats, OHP, deadlifts in 20 minutes. 3 sets each, 5 minute rest between sets that alone will take me about 45 minutes.

From what I know of the Crossfit nutjobs (TM), the idea is that you do the workout without taking breaks.


God, I would never make it. I follow Mark Rippetoe's starting strength when i do weights. Five minutes seems really short sometimes and I need time myself so i don't rest longer.
 
2012-12-10 10:37:49 PM  
Lolwut? Do urbanites in general have more of these problems when compared to suburbanites? The article suggests that these problems are somehow related to running, but did the researchers consider groups other than runners? Also, early on it says that urban runners have more inflammation, which I'd assume to mean joint, or typical running-related inflammation. Then later it talks about _brain_ inflammation, so I guess it's not typical running-related information...

And the headline says urban jogging may be making you dumber. Maybe dumber than suburban runners, but dumber than before you ran? What carp.

Boo Mens Health. Boo.
 
2012-12-10 10:40:44 PM  
I ONLY jog in the rain and snowstorms.
 
I want people to think I'm Johnny Hardcore.
 
2012-12-10 10:47:31 PM  

Acharne: BronyMedic

Super appreciated, thank you! You've done a magnificent job of answering my question. My family is a cancer-free sea of heart attacks and I keep thinking this is important stuff to know.


Not a problem. Heart disease can kill anyone. It's why it's so important that anyone who can learn to do CPR, and be empowered enough to use it when the time comes it's needed.
 
2012-12-10 10:48:01 PM  
I have to agree.

When i run I like to be AWAY from people and the daily bshiat. Who wants to wait for stop lights, dodge people, dogs and bums. Unless of course you're just an attention whore.
My favorite downtown runner types are the dbags that run side by side and never get out of the way for the 99% of people not running.
 
2012-12-10 10:50:53 PM  
I have a friend who used to run all the freaking time. If we were meeting for a happy hour, she would run to the happy hour and arrive all sweaty and gross. Now her knees are shot and she can't even go up a small flight of stairs. If the shear impact of running does not get you, oxygen free radicals will.
 
2012-12-10 10:52:38 PM  
Democrats live in the cities. It's not the jogging, it's being a fascist dipshiat
 
2012-12-10 10:55:12 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: It's all the bouncing, that cant be good for your brain.


Must tell everyone about my marathon, must tell everyone about my marathon..

And my fantasy team.

And that dream i had last night.

But mostly about my marathon.
 
2012-12-10 11:00:32 PM  

Ambivalence: I don't get jogging. Biking i get. Swimming i get. If I'm running it's because something is chasing me. The idea of running for pleasure is just whack.


I think it pronounced "yog-ing"...

And you sound fat.
 
2012-12-10 11:04:04 PM  
www.oddpedia.com

Disagrees
 
2012-12-10 11:07:57 PM  

BronyMedic: Acharne: BronyMedic

Super appreciated, thank you! You've done a magnificent job of answering my question. My family is a cancer-free sea of heart attacks and I keep thinking this is important stuff to know.

Not a problem. Heart disease can kill anyone. It's why it's so important that anyone who can learn to do CPR, and be empowered enough to use it when the time comes it's needed.


I re-qualify on CPR every 3 years, I'm technically the safety coordinator at work and I've done Weeners work plenty. What I wanted was the nerdy explanation and you did that wonderfully.
 
2012-12-10 11:08:50 PM  

Ambivalence: I don't get jogging. Biking i get. Swimming i get. If I'm running it's because something is chasing me. The idea of running for pleasure is just whack.


You sound slow. When I was in shape running meant things flying past on either side. Before I had a growth spurt in 5th grade I was slow and I didn't like running. My legs grew and I got fast. I loved running. Then I blew out my knee. By the time it got better I was fat. I don't like running now.

I still remember that feeling though. It felt like this:

Kiwi
 
2012-12-10 11:19:21 PM  
At least the joggers tend to stay on the sidewalk.

Bicyclists on the other hand...

Shake their fists at motorists, weave in and out of traffic, then run stop signs and red lights and wonder why everyone cant understand how awesome they are.
 
2012-12-10 11:25:57 PM  

Tom-Servo: Elzar: Joggers are dumb - runners on the other hand are farking awesome.

/ Slower then 10min/mi pace - you are a farking jogger walker


What a walker may look like

cdn2.mamapop.com
 
2012-12-10 11:38:25 PM  
WTF is all this nonsense about running being bad for the knees? If you have a poor gait, or a skeletal misalignment, and don't get yourself checked out, then there will be problems. If you feel an injury-type hurt, then maybe you need to figure out what's wrong, heal up, and get back to it. Running properly has been shown to strengthen joints and increase their function.

Swimming is good, but if your form is wrong, you can tear up your shoulders doing crawl.

HIIT is good stuff, and right now I'm doing Insanity to increase my speed and power, because I was lacking that with just doing runs. A good running plan has intervals and speed training, and not just plodding.

Crossfit is interesting, but I know of a lot of trainers who think it is injuries waiting to happen. Not having proper form... oh wait = injuries just like everything else.

/has been hit by cars twice while running... I bounced off them when they made right turns without looking :P
 
2012-12-10 11:58:47 PM  

Ambivalence: I don't get jogging. Biking i get. Swimming i get. If I'm running it's because something is chasing me. The idea of running for pleasure is just whack.



With running, it's easy to get your heart rate up to 160-170 range. Getting to that heart rate with other forms of exercise isn't easy. With biking, you'd need to find long streches of road that you can pedal without slowing down. With swimming, you need to find a pool big enough you can do laps in. In either case, you will have to drive somewhere for it or be wealthy enough to have close access to it. While biking in the streets, I can never get my heart rate over 120. With swimming, I can probably get high heart rates but I have to get to my school's pool and only can do it during lap swim hours.
 
2012-12-11 12:05:40 AM  

Cerberus: WTF is all this nonsense about running being bad for the knees? If you have a poor gait, or a skeletal misalignment, and don't get yourself checked out, then there will be problems. If you feel an injury-type hurt, then maybe you need to figure out what's wrong, heal up, and get back to it. Running properly has been shown to strengthen joints and increase their function.

Swimming is good, but if your form is wrong, you can tear up your shoulders doing crawl.

HIIT is good stuff, and right now I'm doing Insanity to increase my speed and power, because I was lacking that with just doing runs. A good running plan has intervals and speed training, and not just plodding.

Crossfit is interesting, but I know of a lot of trainers who think it is injuries waiting to happen. Not having proper form... oh wait = injuries just like everything else.

/has been hit by cars twice while running... I bounced off them when they made right turns without looking :P



Crossfit is a terrible idea. Instead of developing good form and technique in one thing, you do a dozens of different things with bad form and technique. Cue the Bruce Lee thousand kicks quote.

Insanity and P90X is something I don't get either. Again, instead of finding a good set of exercises that you understand and that target and improve something you want, you do dozens of exercises badly that who knows what they do.
 
2012-12-11 12:18:16 AM  
I think running is a love/hate thing. You either love running or you hate it, no middle ground. Personally, I love running. I enjoy the sensation of moving quickly and to the beat of my music. It's sort of like riding my bike but the HR is much more consistent, and it's obviously slower. The last time I did a long hard run it was a couple super bowls ago and I went out when the game was on to avoid traffic. I brought my Garmin so that I could get the distance exactly in addition to recording the run and seeing my HR. I ran exactly a half marathon, had approx 1200 ft climbing, did it in 1:59:50 (which I was stoked about) and my average... *AVERAGE* heart rate was 190, for the two hour run. It was awesome and it felt so great.
On top of that my neighbors were having a Super Bowl BBQ feast so I got to eat immediately afterwards, so cool.
My neighbors consider teh Super bowl to be like Thanksgiving for men, ie "thanksgiving without all the pussy vegetables".

Anyways, if you love it, it's wonderful. if you don't like running I don't think there is anyway to describe why it's so great.

\I'm rambling.
 
2012-12-11 12:25:42 AM  

findthefish: I have a friend who used to run all the freaking time. If we were meeting for a happy hour, she would run to the happy hour and arrive all sweaty and gross. Now her knees are shot and she can't even go up a small flight of stairs. If the shear impact of running does not get you, oxygen free radicals will.



Knee injury and other forms of running related injury is a well discussed topic in the running community and the common consensus is that it results from improper running form. The knee takes a huge impact if the runner lands on the ground while her leg is straight and not slightly bent, a common technical problem resulting from something called heel striking.

As for oxidative stress and oxygen free radicals, this is just speculative science. The body does produce extra free radicals after running but endurance athletes aren't dropping dead left and right. Elite runners can run over 120 miles per week which an average runner can probably manage in a month. These elite athletes look youthful and healhty. I haven't heard of any reports of cancer epidemics among running communities.
 
2012-12-11 12:33:51 AM  

mr0x: findthefish: I have a friend who used to run all the freaking time. If we were meeting for a happy hour, she would run to the happy hour and arrive all sweaty and gross. Now her knees are shot and she can't even go up a small flight of stairs. If the shear impact of running does not get you, oxygen free radicals will.

Knee injury and other forms of running related injury is a well discussed topic in the running community and the common consensus is that it results from improper running form. The knee takes a huge impact if the runner lands on the ground while her leg is straight and not slightly bent, a common technical problem resulting from something called heel striking.

As for oxidative stress and oxygen free radicals, this is just speculative science. The body does produce extra free radicals after running but endurance athletes aren't dropping dead left and right. Elite runners can run over 120 miles per week which an average runner can probably manage in a month. These elite athletes look youthful and healhty. I haven't heard of any reports of cancer epidemics among running communities.


My XC coach taught us that you should not be able to hear your foot-falls if you are running right.
 
2012-12-11 12:34:42 AM  

theorellior: Nobody needs 1-2 hours of cardio a day. That's a lot of wasted time. Or somebody's fixated and needs to up their OCD meds.

Anyway, I manage to combine exercise and commuting into biking or walking to work. That way I don't have to go out of my way to be tired and sweaty.



Nobody needs to sit in a chair for 8 hours but we do it because it's probably what we do for work and advances our career.

If you are an elite marathoner, you'd probably run 20 miles a day and I'm sure that would take 1-2 hours to do.
 
2012-12-11 12:39:07 AM  

Ishkur: ///but nothing targets the heart knees quite like running


;)
 
2012-12-11 12:53:54 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: mr0x: findthefish: I have a friend who used to run all the freaking time. If we were meeting for a happy hour, she would run to the happy hour and arrive all sweaty and gross. Now her knees are shot and she can't even go up a small flight of stairs. If the shear impact of running does not get you, oxygen free radicals will.

Knee injury and other forms of running related injury is a well discussed topic in the running community and the common consensus is that it results from improper running form. The knee takes a huge impact if the runner lands on the ground while her leg is straight and not slightly bent, a common technical problem resulting from something called heel striking.

As for oxidative stress and oxygen free radicals, this is just speculative science. The body does produce extra free radicals after running but endurance athletes aren't dropping dead left and right. Elite runners can run over 120 miles per week which an average runner can probably manage in a month. These elite athletes look youthful and healhty. I haven't heard of any reports of cancer epidemics among running communities.

My XC coach taught us that you should not be able to hear your foot-falls if you are running right.


Your heel should also never touch the ground, but most runners never use a pace that makes that realistic.

Jogging is physiologically worse for you then running because it is far more up and down. Good running - the head should stay on relatively the same plane the entire time while you're body moves forward with motion generated through the hips/knees/ankles.

Joggers get most of their motion through the knees and therefore increase the impact with each step.

I've often wondered if I couldn't create an entire tv show that revolved around me stopping runners on the side of the road and explaining to them why their form sucks.

Trail running is probably the best overall choice (assuming soft dirt or mulch trails) as the surfaces absorb far more impact and you don't get the repetitive knee issues associated with always turning to your left on a track.

Street/beach running is the worst. Especially for beginners who don't absorb the impact correctly at all.

The one thing I really appreciated about the Vibram fad is that more people were getting off their heels and landing on the balls of their feet. It basically adds an extra joint and decreases the stress/shock your legs take.
 
2012-12-11 01:14:03 AM  

Silly Jesus: This explains the idiocy of all urban bicyclists!

/farking hates all bicyclists that aren't in the woods


People like you should take the bus. No, really, sell your car. You don't belong on the road. We'll all be better off with you not driving. Yes, even other motorists.
 
2012-12-11 01:16:34 AM  

NASAM: Running? Pfft. I play real sports. Not trying to be the best at exercisin'.


Lemme guess, golf and billiards, right? Golf is the USA's next great motorsport.
 
2012-12-11 01:25:37 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Cars and bicycles don't mix well.


Sure they do. If you don't think they do, you should park your car and never drive again.

We have another bus rider here folks! Short one for you...
 
2012-12-11 01:28:30 AM  

INeedAName: Uchiha_Cycliste: mr0x: findthefish: I have a friend who used to run all the freaking time. If we were meeting for a happy hour, she would run to the happy hour and arrive all sweaty and gross. Now her knees are shot and she can't even go up a small flight of stairs. If the shear impact of running does not get you, oxygen free radicals will.

Knee injury and other forms of running related injury is a well discussed topic in the running community and the common consensus is that it results from improper running form. The knee takes a huge impact if the runner lands on the ground while her leg is straight and not slightly bent, a common technical problem resulting from something called heel striking.

As for oxidative stress and oxygen free radicals, this is just speculative science. The body does produce extra free radicals after running but endurance athletes aren't dropping dead left and right. Elite runners can run over 120 miles per week which an average runner can probably manage in a month. These elite athletes look youthful and healhty. I haven't heard of any reports of cancer epidemics among running communities.

My XC coach taught us that you should not be able to hear your foot-falls if you are running right.

Your heel should also never touch the ground, but most runners never use a pace that makes that realistic.

Jogging is physiologically worse for you then running because it is far more up and down. Good running - the head should stay on relatively the same plane the entire time while you're body moves forward with motion generated through the hips/knees/ankles.

Joggers get most of their motion through the knees and therefore increase the impact with each step.

I've often wondered if I couldn't create an entire tv show that revolved around me stopping runners on the side of the road and explaining to them why their form sucks.

Trail running is probably the best overall choice (assuming soft dirt or mulch trails) as the surfaces absorb far more impac ...


You bring up a lot of really good points. I'll add that the lowest impact running that I have found has been trail running (like you said) but trail running barefoot. Not with those silly shoes, but honest to god barefoot. Once you build of your feet to do it, it's AWESOME. Also, running barefoot in mud is so much fun.

We were taught (in XC) that grass is always the bets choice, assphalt is next and concrete is last. There were no trails near school.

Also, the proper way to run I would liken to running across boulders. At any give point you don't really have the ability to stop and stand up, but with every step you push off and carry forth momentum. As long as you always have good (not slippery) footing, you can really run across big rocks and boulders and it's like you are flying on top of them. Anyways, that way of running where each step pushes you forward makes the most of your body and momentum and motion and keeps it low impact.
 
2012-12-11 01:29:19 AM  
Phew! Was almost convinced that I needed to start exercising. Thanks Fark!!!
 
2012-12-11 01:34:59 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: It's all the bouncing, that cant be good for your brain.


or your boobs
 
2012-12-11 01:49:31 AM  

themasterdebater: Phew! Was almost convinced that I needed to start exercising. Thanks Fark!!!


Did you by chance actually RTFA or at least browse it?
 
2012-12-11 02:27:42 AM  

power_slave: I run between 50 and 70 miles per month in my victorian neighborhood through various parks and sometimes drive to the foothills to trail run (Denver). I experience increased metabolism and a brighter outlook plus I feel smarter so I probably am as a result. I am 30 and have been running since 20 and the occasional visit to a good sports physical therapist can keep your body aligned and tuned up perfectly. Never suffered a serious injury and knees are fine. So uh, whatever.


Must be nice. I miss my knees, hip, ankles, and lower spine from before all that running the Army made me do. Granted the spine thing was an actual injury, but I maintain that the running and situps did enough damage beforehand.
 
2012-12-11 02:51:07 AM  
Brave rain and wind. These climates blow the fine particles away so you're not left inhaling them.

So... in the mind of blogger Angela Giannopoulos, every time it starts or stops raining, it's climate change...?

This explains a lot.
 
2012-12-11 02:55:35 AM  

Badgers: Brave rain and wind. These climates blow the fine particles away so you're not left inhaling them.

So... in the mind of blogger Angela Giannopoulos, every time it starts or stops raining, it's climate change...?

This explains a lot.


It's a legitimate usage:
"A region with particular prevailing weather conditions." He's talking about areas that get frequent or periodic rain and suggesting to take advantage of it when it happens since it clears out the air.
 
2012-12-11 03:13:36 AM  
Summary of article if tl;dr:

Running in cities is bad because of pollution. Running itself is good for your health. Run outside of cities, or try to run in parks or during rain if you have to run in a city.

Summary of benefits of running/jogging/whatever:

Any physical activity is better than doing nothing.

Jogging is fine, it does not destroy your knees, particularly if done with good form.

A sedentary lifestyle coupled with a poor (high fat, excessive calorie) diet is a recipe for heath disasters, including diabetes, high blood pressure, and increased risk of heart attack and stroke. Improving your diet (reducing calories, increasing vegetables and fruits, etc.) and taking up some exercise, be it speed walking, jogging, running, biking, swimming, your favorite sport, etc. are all great ways to not only live longer, but to live with fewer medical problems and thus with a greater quality of life.
 
2012-12-11 03:48:58 AM  

Elzar: Joggers are dumb - runners on the other hand are farking awesome.

/ Slower then 10min/mi pace - you are a farking jogger


We are, aren't we?

/// Smug running slashies ///
 
2012-12-11 03:58:27 AM  

RedT: Fark: Where Morbid Obesity is not just attractive and good for you, it makes you smart.


Smart enough to realize that the statistic "each hour spend jogging extends you life one hour" is not necessarily a good trade, on the face of it. The unpleasant labor of jogging 1 hour extends my life by one unpleasant hour spent jogging. Great!

This analysis may neglect the side benefits of such discipline, like the quality of life of hours NOT spent jogging. But to view the statistical benefit in reported life expectancy as an obvious benefit in and of itself seems somewhat silly. If I offered to keep you alive as long as you wished to be tortured, would it be a good deal? Perhaps not!
 
2012-12-11 04:10:56 AM  

INeedAName: Uchiha_Cycliste: mr0x: findthefish: I have a friend who used to run all the freaking time. If we were meeting for a happy hour, she would run to the happy hour and arrive all sweaty and gross. Now her knees are shot and she can't even go up a small flight of stairs. If the shear impact of running does not get you, oxygen free radicals will.

Knee injury and other forms of running related injury is a well discussed topic in the running community and the common consensus is that it results from improper running form. The knee takes a huge impact if the runner lands on the ground while her leg is straight and not slightly bent, a common technical problem resulting from something called heel striking.

As for oxidative stress and oxygen free radicals, this is just speculative science. The body does produce extra free radicals after running but endurance athletes aren't dropping dead left and right. Elite runners can run over 120 miles per week which an average runner can probably manage in a month. These elite athletes look youthful and healhty. I haven't heard of any reports of cancer epidemics among running communities.

My XC coach taught us that you should not be able to hear your foot-falls if you are running right.

Your heel should also never touch the ground, but most runners never use a pace that makes that realistic.

Jogging is physiologically worse for you then running because it is far more up and down. Good running - the head should stay on relatively the same plane the entire time while you're body moves forward with motion generated through the hips/knees/ankles.

Joggers get most of their motion through the knees and therefore increase the impact with each step.

I've often wondered if I couldn't create an entire tv show that revolved around me stopping runners on the side of the road and explaining to them why their form sucks.

Trail running is probably the best overall choice (assuming soft dirt or mulch trails) as the surfaces absorb far more impac ...


I have long hair which when I run I pull up into a high ponytail and then braid. If the braid bounces, I know my body is bouncing. If it stays still, I know I'm holding myself right.
 
2012-12-11 04:19:33 AM  

AutumnWind: Joggers find all the bodies.


Don't boast. Dog-walkers find their share.
 
2012-12-11 04:44:40 AM  

Suede head: AutumnWind: Joggers find all the bodies.

Don't boast. Dog-walkers find their share.


And hikers. Hikers find the naaaaaaasty ones.
 
2012-12-11 05:01:20 AM  

Acharne: BronyMedic: fulminant

Here is a question for you, since I know you probably know, but what tends to be the cause of what I suppose is a 'Fulminant' heart attack. But that I means, why suddenly would the muscle fall out of rythym? Bad electrical firing? A slow and accumulating lack of oxygen? This whole 'It was working and then it suddenly stopped working' is naturally terrifying, but it seems so random. Heart disease is one thing for sure, but that's not a sudden, sharp change. I think I'm fouling up how I'm asking, I hope you'll see what I'm asking. It just seems so odd that suddenly, a reasonably healthy person should drop dead from something other than a bullet.


lol, you'd hate MS... wake up some days, ok, can walk... wake up other days, faceplant out of bed because legs randomly decided they don't feel like... well... anything, they don't move, they don't feel, they're just dead weight. Your body isn't nearly as reliable as you think it is, you're not gonna die early (by the probabilities), but at some point, you're gonna be asking the question "WTF is going on here, that was working just fine yesterday!" It isn't all gloom and doom, just do everything you can possibly do right now, and you won't be so sad if you can't do it tomorrow.
 
2012-12-11 05:11:40 AM  
Running long distances is actually quite terrible for you.

Hiking/walking and lifting weights three times a week is plenty of exercise.
 
2012-12-11 05:21:10 AM  

TwowheelinTim: Silly Jesus: This explains the idiocy of all urban bicyclists!

/farking hates all bicyclists that aren't in the woods

People like you should take the bus. No, really, sell your car. You don't belong on the road. We'll all be better off with you not driving. Yes, even other motorists.


You'd be better off without motorists who understand consideration for others?

I'd never go for a walk on a designated bike trail and force bicyclists to back up behind me and travel at a walking pace for miles. If I did that, I'd be an inconsiderate douchebag.
 
2012-12-11 07:02:37 AM  
I've been exercising 2-3 hours a day almost every day for decades and I refuse to ever jog/run myself. Jogging and running are not modes of travel nature intended for long periods, but very short, life or death events. As a result, your body has almost nothing in the way of shock absorb to handle it. Almost every person I know who spent their 20s jogging (5), have terribly ruined knees by their 30s.

If you exercise (and everyone should), I can't sincerely enough suggest doing anything other than running/jogging. Your legs are not intended to do that for that long.
 
2012-12-11 07:07:56 AM  

INeedAName: Your heel should also never touch the ground, but most runners never use a pace that makes that realistic.


You can have a perfectly safe stride with your heel contacting the ground, it ust shouldn't be hitting first.

mr0x: Crossfit is a terrible idea. Instead of developing good form and technique in one thing, you do a dozens of different things with bad form and technique. Cue the Bruce Lee thousand kicks quote.


Crazy that someone would want to be good at more than one thing, huh?


Insanity and P90X is something I don't get either. Again, instead of finding a good set of exercises that you understand and that target and improve something you want, you do dozens of exercises badly that who knows what they do

If it take you more than 5 minutes to understand how to do Insanity and P90X exercises well, you have serious coordination problems.

As for what they do, once again, not rocket science. If you can't figure out what sit-ups, pushj-ups or pull-ups "do" you are the smartest peanut in the turd.
 
2012-12-11 07:13:06 AM  

kingflower: Running long distances is actually quite terrible for you.

Hiking/walking and lifting weights three times a week is plenty of exercise.


It's good for a lot of people's mental health.

If I don't ride my bike(s) enough hours a week, I start feeling very stabby.
 
2012-12-11 07:14:27 AM  

ladyfortuna: power_slave: I run between 50 and 70 miles per month in my victorian neighborhood through various parks and sometimes drive to the foothills to trail run (Denver). I experience increased metabolism and a brighter outlook plus I feel smarter so I probably am as a result. I am 30 and have been running since 20 and the occasional visit to a good sports physical therapist can keep your body aligned and tuned up perfectly. Never suffered a serious injury and knees are fine. So uh, whatever.

Must be nice. I miss my knees, hip, ankles, and lower spine from before all that running the Army made me do. Granted the spine thing was an actual injury, but I maintain that the running and situps did enough damage beforehand.


Formation running is one of the absolute worst things that people are ever required to do in the military. It's even worse when the person in front of you doesn't want to run in step and you have to basically run at half the standard(too slow) stride because if you don't you end up kicking them and if you do THEY get all butthurt because they're uncoordinated arhythimc dipshiats.

/I hate command 5ks
 
2012-12-11 08:03:43 AM  

Terrible Old Man: I've been exercising 2-3 hours a day almost every day for decades and I refuse to ever jog/run myself. Jogging and running are not modes of travel nature intended for long periods, but very short, life or death events. As a result, your body has almost nothing in the way of shock absorb to handle it. Almost every person I know who spent their 20s jogging (5), have terribly ruined knees by their 30s.

If you exercise (and everyone should), I can't sincerely enough suggest doing anything other than running/jogging. Your legs are not intended to do that for that long.


That's not good advice for everyone. We're all too different to make a blanket statement like that. There are plenty of people who run their whole lives who rarely, if ever, get injured or are smart and rest and seek PT when they do. There, I've provided equally useless data to counter yours. My uncle is in his late 50s and has run ultras since his mid 20s. 50k's, 50 milers, 6, 12, 24 hr races... trail marathons, etc. His joints are fine and he's in exceptional health.

The moral of the story: just because it's not for everyone doesn't mean it's not for anyone.
 
2012-12-11 08:14:40 AM  

Terrible Old Man: I've been exercising 2-3 hours a day almost every day for decades and I refuse to ever jog/run myself. Jogging and running are not modes of travel nature intended for long periods, but very short, life or death events. As a result, your body has almost nothing in the way of shock absorb to handle it. Almost every person I know who spent their 20s jogging (5), have terribly ruined knees by their 30s.

If you exercise (and everyone should), I can't sincerely enough suggest doing anything other than running/jogging. Your legs are not intended to do that for that long.


I would say your ankles and knees are more than "almost nothing".
 
2012-12-11 08:53:31 AM  
I prefer to ruin my knees playing rollerderby. Waaaaaaay more fun.
 
2012-12-11 09:01:24 AM  

Mose: kingflower: Running long distances is actually quite terrible for you.

Hiking/walking and lifting weights three times a week is plenty of exercise.

It's good for a lot of people's mental health.

If I don't ride my bike(s) enough hours a week, I start feeling very stabby.


So much this. 25 running miles per week (or more) is my antidepressant Rx. More at holiday time, when everyone freaks out. Wait, the temp got up to 22 - going for a run!
 
2012-12-11 09:24:36 AM  

Peepeye: I prefer to ruin my knees playing rollerderby. Waaaaaaay more fun.


I prefer to ruin my knee by adventuring...
 
2012-12-11 09:30:30 AM  

liam76: If it take you more than 5 minutes to understand how to do Insanity and P90X exercises well, you have serious coordination problems.

As for what they do, once again, not rocket science. If you can't figure out what sit-ups, pushj-ups or pull-ups "do" you are the smartest peanut in the turd.



While doing the P90X, Insanity exercises, people think they look like the models on the DVD. Get a mirror or a video camera and you'll see what's really going on.

Yes, even the "lowly" pushup and pullup requires proper form.

It might not be rocket science but it does take some practice to perfect, which is the opposite of the philosophy of the programs like P90X and Insanity.
 
2012-12-11 09:41:08 AM  

mr0x: liam76: If it take you more than 5 minutes to understand how to do Insanity and P90X exercises well, you have serious coordination problems.

As for what they do, once again, not rocket science. If you can't figure out what sit-ups, pushj-ups or pull-ups "do" you are the smartest peanut in the turd.

While doing the P90X, Insanity exercises, people think they look like the models on the DVD. Get a mirror or a video camera and you'll see what's really going on.

Yes, even the "lowly" pushup and pullup requires proper form.

It might not be rocket science but it does take some practice to perfect, which is the opposite of the philosophy of the programs like P90X and Insanity.


Yeah that "some practice" is 5 minutes.

As far as soem people not doing it right you see that on any exercis, and I woudl argue it is easier to do those right then squats, or deadlifts.

I have never heard that Px90- or insanity is ant pracitce. Actually since they do a lot of the same movementas repeatedly I would argue you are practicing them. (maybe not insanity, never done it).
 
2012-12-11 09:48:22 AM  

liam76: Peepeye: I prefer to ruin my knees playing rollerderby. Waaaaaaay more fun.

I prefer to ruin my knee by adventuring...


Are you referring to random mischief, or is "adventuring" a type of sport?

/I support random mischief.
 
2012-12-11 10:00:22 AM  

Terrible Old Man: I've been exercising 2-3 hours a day almost every day for decades and I refuse to ever jog/run myself. Jogging and running are not modes of travel nature intended for long periods, but very short, life or death events. As a result, your body has almost nothing in the way of shock absorb to handle it. Almost every person I know who spent their 20s jogging (5), have terribly ruined knees by their 30s.

If you exercise (and everyone should), I can't sincerely enough suggest doing anything other than running/jogging. Your legs are not intended to do that for that long.


That thing you are sitting on is designed to absorb shock.
 
2012-12-11 10:19:34 AM  

PanicMan: Ambivalence: I don't get jogging. Biking i get. Swimming i get. If I'm running it's because something is chasing me. The idea of running for pleasure is just whack.

I run because I'm not a runner; it's something I suck at and I hate sucking at things. Plus it makes you healthier and is free.


Late to the thread but THIS!

/exactly why I run. And now I love it.
 
2012-12-11 10:31:50 AM  

Peepeye: liam76: Peepeye: I prefer to ruin my knees playing rollerderby. Waaaaaaay more fun.

I prefer to ruin my knee by adventuring...

Are you referring to random mischief, or is "adventuring" a type of sport?

/I support random mischief.


You might be the last person not to know the "arrow to the knee" meme from skyrim...
 
2012-12-11 10:44:35 AM  

liam76: Peepeye: liam76: Peepeye: I prefer to ruin my knees playing rollerderby. Waaaaaaay more fun.

I prefer to ruin my knee by adventuring...

Are you referring to random mischief, or is "adventuring" a type of sport?

/I support random mischief.

You might be the last person not to know the "arrow to the knee" meme from skyrim...


Evidently. I'll slink away now...
 
2012-12-11 10:54:44 AM  

Peepeye: liam76: Peepeye: liam76: Peepeye: I prefer to ruin my knees playing rollerderby. Waaaaaaay more fun.

I prefer to ruin my knee by adventuring...

Are you referring to random mischief, or is "adventuring" a type of sport?

/I support random mischief.

You might be the last person not to know the "arrow to the knee" meme from skyrim...

Evidently. I'll slink away now...


Slink? Wear it as a badge of honor.
 
2012-12-11 01:11:19 PM  
I suspect jogging is only considered "bad for your knees" if you are beating your knees to death with a 350 lbs frame. It was fine before we all got so fat.
 
2012-12-12 02:32:58 AM  

Moonfisher: I suspect jogging is only considered "bad for your knees" if you are beating your knees to death with a 350 lbs frame. It was fine before we all got so fat.


I was slightly overweight when I went in the Army, and though I dropped several pants sizes while in training, hardly lost more than a couple of pounds. My knees have been shot ever since, including the last half of AIT.

Your theory is invalid.
 
2012-12-12 06:46:41 PM  

BronyMedic: Acharne: BronyMedic

Super appreciated, thank you! You've done a magnificent job of answering my question. My family is a cancer-free sea of heart attacks and I keep thinking this is important stuff to know.

Not a problem. Heart disease can kill anyone. It's why it's so important that anyone who can learn to do CPR, and be empowered enough to use it when the time comes it's needed.


To teach.

*)
 
2012-12-12 10:19:01 PM  

Mose: Terrible Old Man: I've been exercising 2-3 hours a day almost every day for decades and I refuse to ever jog/run myself. Jogging and running are not modes of travel nature intended for long periods, but very short, life or death events. As a result, your body has almost nothing in the way of shock absorb to handle it. Almost every person I know who spent their 20s jogging (5), have terribly ruined knees by their 30s.

If you exercise (and everyone should), I can't sincerely enough suggest doing anything other than running/jogging. Your legs are not intended to do that for that long.

That's not good advice for everyone. We're all too different to make a blanket statement like that. There are plenty of people who run their whole lives who rarely, if ever, get injured or are smart and rest and seek PT when they do. There, I've provided equally useless data to counter yours. My uncle is in his late 50s and has run ultras since his mid 20s. 50k's, 50 milers, 6, 12, 24 hr races... trail marathons, etc. His joints are fine and he's in exceptional health.

The moral of the story: just because it's not for everyone doesn't mean it's not for anyone.


Generally, the amount of osteoarthritis you get is just as (or more) dependent on your genetics than your activity level. People who exercise more generally have less pain and less functional impairment.
 
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