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(AL.com)   Going forward, West Virginia University would prefer its mascots refrain from killing bears with their school-issued muskets   (al.com) divider line 69
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2012-12-10 10:12:47 AM
And they complain about that MTV show...
 
2012-12-10 10:12:48 AM
Better watch it, he could go postal on a very slow crowd with that thing.
 
2012-12-10 10:13:06 AM
the bears would probably feel better about that too
 
2012-12-10 10:15:00 AM
But he NEEDED killin....jes sayin is all.
 
2012-12-10 10:16:19 AM
But shooting Hokies is okay, right?
 
2012-12-10 10:16:28 AM
Guess they can't bear the thought of him associating their school with hunting. I mean, remember how upset NFL fans got when the Chiefs mascot scalped a guy?
 
2012-12-10 10:16:29 AM
Pussy. That's what the school-issued knife is for.
 
2012-12-10 10:18:52 AM
I'm okay with hunting to cull a population , but I'll never eat the meat.
/Monsters Inside Me spooks the shiat out of me.
//Was up most of night searching Google for parasites, while scratching like a mad man
 
2012-12-10 10:20:12 AM
Didn't know that was a real muzzle loader.
 
2012-12-10 10:22:23 AM
You Septics are aware that to native English speakers, the word "coonskin" conjours up images of a sort of brownish leather, you know, something your more Southern residents would be proudly sporting rather than the pelt of a small furry animal?
 
2012-12-10 10:22:31 AM
candorville.com
 
2012-12-10 10:23:13 AM

kd8our: And they complain about that MTV show...


This. WVU fans bask in their reputation as couch burning rednecks, but have been crying foul over this MTV show depicted them as couch burning rednecks.
 
2012-12-10 10:24:02 AM
drjekel_mrhyde

I'm okay with hunting to cull a population , but I'll never eat the meat.
/Monsters Inside Me spooks the shiat out of me.
//Was up most of night searching Google for parasites, while scratching like a mad man

Fire fix this.
So easy caveman can do.
 
2012-12-10 10:25:39 AM
Takes a real man to shoot a helpless bear hiding in a tree.
 
2012-12-10 10:29:59 AM
I find this to be incredibly awesome. I had no idea that was a functioning musket. I want to hang out with this guy and drink beer and eat bear chili.
 
2012-12-10 10:35:23 AM

Jesus Burnt My Hotdog: coonskin


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I'm pretty sure I'm a native speaker of English, and to me it just refers to the pelt of a raccoon. It frontier days, these skins were often fashioned into hats. Numerous online dictionaries support this definition.  I can't find a single example of usage that corresponds to what you seem to think it means.

Of course, you also used the phrase 'septics' as though it was proper noun, rather than a slang term, so your mastery of language is already questionable at best.
 
2012-12-10 10:36:35 AM

kd8our: And they complain about that MTV show...


done in one.
 
2012-12-10 10:39:36 AM
But they play Baylor in the Big 12 now...
 
2012-12-10 10:42:28 AM

Talondel: pointless pedantry


You must be a blast at parties.
 
2012-12-10 10:45:46 AM

NashMcNash: kd8our: And they complain about that MTV show...

This. WVU fans bask in their reputation as couch burning rednecks, but have been crying foul over this MTV show depicted them as couch burning rednecks.


To be fair, many of the couch burners in Sunnyside are out of state students from New Jersey. Not that anyone would make a show about Jersey trash......
 
2012-12-10 10:45:53 AM

NashMcNash


This. WVU fans bask in their reputation as couch burning rednecks, but have been crying foul over this MTV show depicted them as couch burning rednecks.


Why do they burn couches? I mean why do they choose couches over other things?
 
2012-12-10 10:47:30 AM
WTF?

Why don't tags work with Opera any more?
 
2012-12-10 10:47:38 AM

abhorrent1: Takes a real man to shoot a helpless bear hiding in a tree.


With a single shot weapon that takes a while to reload? That's semi-even odds. If you miss, or just wound the bear, the bear has a chance to either escape, or to make your life interesting in deep laceration-y, puncture wound-y, blunt trauma-y sorts of ways.
 
2012-12-10 10:50:51 AM
PRAY FOR HONEY BOO BOO!!!!!!
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2012-12-10 10:51:54 AM
Holy Farking sheat! They let him have a real gun? The anti gun crowd is going to lose there little minds.
 
2012-12-10 10:52:26 AM
IT'S NOT A MUSKET!

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Look at the trigger guard: It's got double-set triggers. That makes it a rifle. No musket, which are smoothbores*, and thus relatively inaccurate, would need the accuracy improvement that comes from double-set triggers.

Also, a real man would use a flintlock, not one of them there new-fangled persuction guns.



*With the exception of rifled muskets, but that doesn't apply here.
 
2012-12-10 10:53:03 AM

dittybopper: the bear has a chance to either escape, or to make your life interesting in deep laceration-y, puncture wound-y, blunt trauma-y sorts of ways.


That's the outcome I prefer.
 
2012-12-10 10:54:44 AM

stuffy: Holy Farking sheat! They let him have a real gun? The anti gun crowd is going to lose there little minds.


Under federal law, it's not a gun.

Also, there is no way that I'm aware of to make an accurate looking gun like that, that is incapable of firing a projectile. It's not like a modern breechloader where you can modify the barrel so that a conventional cartridge won't chamber.
 
2012-12-10 10:57:28 AM
Episode of Buck Wild?
 
2012-12-10 10:58:01 AM
Yea!! We're the Mountaineers!!
Wait, the guy portraying our mascot really is a mountaineer?? Boooo, big mean bear killer. Mountaineers are bad people. Booo.
 
2012-12-10 10:59:21 AM

abhorrent1: dittybopper: the bear has a chance to either escape, or to make your life interesting in deep laceration-y, puncture wound-y, blunt trauma-y sorts of ways.

That's the outcome I prefer.


You'd love me then. This is what I hunt with:

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I stopped using modern guns to hunt with about 10 years ago, and stopped using a modern bow about 6 years ago. I'm starting to transition from using steel broadheads to one ones I knapped myself:

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2012-12-10 11:00:15 AM

NashMcNash: kd8our: And they complain about that MTV show...

This. WVU fans bask in their reputation as couch burning rednecks, but have been crying foul over this MTV show depicted them as couch burning rednecks.


Hey now, if they did that their whole front yard would go up in flames.
 
2012-12-10 11:00:22 AM
Hahaaha "Going forward"
 
2012-12-10 11:00:51 AM

dittybopper: IT'S NOT A MUSKET!

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Look at the trigger guard: It's got double-set triggers. That makes it a rifle. No musket, which are smoothbores*, and thus relatively inaccurate, would need the accuracy improvement that comes from double-set triggers.

Also, a real man would use a flintlock, not one of them there new-fangled persuction guns.



*With the exception of rifled muskets, but that doesn't apply here.


Smooth bore muskets were generally pretty accurate out of about 100 meters. Rifled muskets out to about 300 meters. Percussion caps were invented in 1839, and likely Davey Crockett used them, but Daniel Boone did not.

Kudos to the mascot though who is "as advertised" and not some Econ major who took the job as a mascot because he likes tight ends and was nervous the first time he had to touch that "big, ugly hand held cannon".
 
2012-12-10 11:06:09 AM

dentalhilljack: NashMcNash: kd8our: And they complain about that MTV show...

This. WVU fans bask in their reputation as couch burning rednecks, but have been crying foul over this MTV show depicted them as couch burning rednecks.

To be fair, many of the couch burners in Sunnyside are out of state students from New Jersey. Not that anyone would make a show about Jersey trash......


That is a fair assessment. I've always said Morgantown isn't bad in July, when everyone is in New Jersey.
 
2012-12-10 11:06:56 AM
Regarding the hunt - it was a legal kill. Bears were in season and he supposedly checked in the bear at a DNR station where it weighed in somewhere around 150 pounds (black bears are not big).

Previous Mountaineer mascots have said that they hunted with the official rifle when they were serving. Of course, the rest of them had the good sense (a) not to film it, (b) edit in the fight song, (c) start chanting "Let's Go Mountaineers!" and (d) release the whole thing on Youtube. There was no policy against using the rifle to hunt because no one previously called attention to themselves doing it. Like many laws, it's the realization that it happened that causes a policy to be set.

Unlike many of my family I am not a hunter and don't take pleasure in seeing animals get killed, even though there is an overpopulation of bears and deer in urban areas here. Having said that, Jonathan didn't do anything wrong, legally or technically by WVU guidelines before Friday. All he's guilty of is being a colossal dumbass for posting the video in the first place.
 
2012-12-10 11:08:26 AM

NashMcNash: dentalhilljack: NashMcNash: kd8our: And they complain about that MTV show...

This. WVU fans bask in their reputation as couch burning rednecks, but have been crying foul over this MTV show depicted them as couch burning rednecks.

To be fair, many of the couch burners in Sunnyside are out of state students from New Jersey. Not that anyone would make a show about Jersey trash......

That is a fair assessment. I've always said Morgantown isn't bad in July, when everyone is in New Jersey.


Heck, this'll be a good December. Students leave in a week and global warming is keeping the snow off the ground.
 
2012-12-10 11:13:46 AM
Why exactly did the school need to issue him a musket that was capable of firing projectiles? Wouldn't it be really easy to make a musket that would make smoke and noise at football games but be incapable of actually shooting stuff?
 
2012-12-10 11:19:37 AM

dittybopper: I stopped using modern guns to hunt with about 10 years ago, and stopped using a modern bow about 6 years ago. I'm starting to transition from using steel broadheads to one ones I knapped myself:


Pffft, I only hunt with atlatls.
 
2012-12-10 11:23:25 AM

hdhale: Smooth bore muskets were generally pretty accurate out of about 100 meters.


No they weren't:

A soldier's musket if not exceedingly ill-bored (as many are), will strike the figure of a man at 80 yards, perhaps even at 100; but a soldier must be very unfortunate indeed who shall be wounded by a common musket at 150 yards, providing his antagonist aims at him; and as for firing at a man at 200 yards with a common musket, you might just as well fire at the moon and have the same hope of hitting your object. I do maintain and will prove, whenever called on, that no man was ever killed at 200 yards by a common soldier's musket by the person who aimed at him. - Colonel George Hanger, 1814.

Note he is saying that some fraction of military muskets will "perhaps even [strike the figure of a man] at 100 [yards]". That's a pretty big friggin' target: 5 to 6 feet tall, and 2 feet wide.

I have pretty extensive experience in shooting both smoothbore and rifled muzzleloading guns, and I wouldn't depend on a smoothbore to hit something like the vital area on a deer, using a round ball like they did back then, out much past 40 yards, *MAYBE* 50 if you've really worked up a good load for that gun. The vital area on a deer is about the size of a dinner plate, btw.

My father, who has built many of them (including one entirely from scratch - no premanufactured parts) once tried a whole bunch of things to get them to shoot accurately, and you just can't do it. It is the nature of a round ball fired from a smoothbore gun to be inaccurate. This is especially true of cast round balls, which almost certainly have imperfections that more modern swaged balls don't have.

Rifled muskets out to about 300 meters. Percussion caps were invented in 1839, and likely Davey Crockett used them, but Daniel Boone did not.


You really don't know who I am, do you? You're looking shiat up on Wikipedia. I have actual experience.

BTW, for massed volley fire, a rifled musket is fine out to 500 yards. For individual shots at discrete targets, a typical rifle firing a patched round ball is good to 150, perhaps 200 yards, depending on the gun and the shooter. A Baker Rifle like this:

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Actually was the best of both Worlds: For individual, accurate shots, you could load a tightly patched ball, say a .615" ball with a greased linen patch. For quick volley fire en masse, you could load a smaller ball either patched or not, and it would load as quickly as a musket.

Interestingly enough, because they were shorter than a musket, they came with a "sword bayonet", to make the overall length of rifle+bayonet the same as a Brown Bess+bayonet. Because of the way they were mounted, though, you couldn't fire the gun with the bayonet fixed.
 
2012-12-10 11:25:33 AM

TofuTheAlmighty: dittybopper: I stopped using modern guns to hunt with about 10 years ago, and stopped using a modern bow about 6 years ago. I'm starting to transition from using steel broadheads to one ones I knapped myself:

Pffft, I only hunt with atlatls.


I would, if NYS would let me:

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Unfortunately, you can't use an atlatl to hunt with in New York State.
 
2012-12-10 11:26:52 AM

TofuTheAlmighty: dittybopper: I stopped using modern guns to hunt with about 10 years ago, and stopped using a modern bow about 6 years ago. I'm starting to transition from using steel broadheads to one ones I knapped myself:

Pffft, I only hunt with atlatls.


Me throw rocks
 
2012-12-10 11:29:09 AM
I don't really throw rocks, I use everything from a modern rifle to a traditional recurve, but my typical hunt could be PETA approved: no animals are actually harmed during the production.
 
2012-12-10 11:31:07 AM

TofuTheAlmighty: dittybopper: I stopped using modern guns to hunt with about 10 years ago, and stopped using a modern bow about 6 years ago. I'm starting to transition from using steel broadheads to one ones I knapped myself:

Pffft, I only hunt with atlatls.


Hey, will you be at the Northeastern Open Atlatl Championship in Vermont next year?
 
2012-12-10 11:31:38 AM
Did he shake it?
 
2012-12-10 11:34:25 AM

starscream1690: I don't really throw rocks, I use everything from a modern rifle to a traditional recurve


If you really think about it, those are merely fancy ways to throw rocks.
 
2012-12-10 11:36:01 AM
Shoot, black powder season is black powder season, and if the school is going to provide you with the tools to do a job, you might as well use them.

/Grew up in WV
//There are plenty of bears in that state that need killin'
///Especially out in Pocahontas County
 
2012-12-10 11:38:27 AM

NashMcNash: dentalhilljack: NashMcNash: kd8our: And they complain about that MTV show...

This. WVU fans bask in their reputation as couch burning rednecks, but have been crying foul over this MTV show depicted them as couch burning rednecks.

To be fair, many of the couch burners in Sunnyside are out of state students from New Jersey. Not that anyone would make a show about Jersey trash......

That is a fair assessment. I've always said Morgantown isn't bad in July, when everyone is in New Jersey.


Actually it is total BS. I lived in Morgantown for 7 years and never met anyone from further than 50 miles away. WVians just love to blame their problems in people who "ain't from here."
 
2012-12-10 11:41:28 AM

HMS_Blinkin: Why exactly did the school need to issue him a musket that was capable of firing projectiles? Wouldn't it be really easy to make a musket that would make smoke and noise at football games but be incapable of actually shooting stuff?


Because black powder (an unforgiving compound) needs to be able to explode and produce a noticeable amount of flame & smoke and it needs to be producing it a goodly distance from the person's face.

On a separate note, I would imagine that US military personnel serving in honor guards are using 'real' weapons all the time including the field guns occasionally used in some ceremonies.
 
2012-12-10 11:42:05 AM

dittybopper: TofuTheAlmighty: dittybopper: I stopped using modern guns to hunt with about 10 years ago, and stopped using a modern bow about 6 years ago. I'm starting to transition from using steel broadheads to one ones I knapped myself:

Pffft, I only hunt with atlatls.

Hey, will you be at the Northeastern Open Atlatl Championship in Vermont next year?


Hey you two. Get a room.
 
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