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(AL.com)   Alabama public school separates boys and girls for all classes "because boys are better than girls because their bodies receive testosterone, while girls have similar skills only a few days per month". The ACLU has a problem with this   (blog.al.com) divider line 368
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2012-12-10 12:55:30 AM
Mind-boggling idiocy. Alabama is clearly vying for a Fark tag.
 
2012-12-10 12:59:09 AM
As long as the classes are equal it's OK if they're separated.
 
2012-12-10 01:00:54 AM

Apos: Mind-boggling idiocy. Alabama is clearly vying for a Fark tag.


That argument is bizarre. I went through 12 years of Catholic, the first eight years mixed gender, the last four segregated. The rationale? Mixed gender would be too distracting for high schoolers (which has a certain validity). But not because boys were smarter.
 
2012-12-10 01:03:43 AM
Having separate sex education classes by gender really doesn't sound like a problem. I'm pretty sure mine were. But then you get the section Subby quoted:

According to the complaint filed by the ACLU, instructions for teaching boys call for stressing heroic behavior that shows what it means to "be a man." According to the ACLU, the school relied on a book that teaches that boys are better than girls in math because their bodies receive daily surges of testosterone, while girls have similar skills only a few days per month when they experience increased estrogen during the menstrual cycle.

and I'm all with the ACLU here. What a crock of shiat.
 
2012-12-10 01:08:10 AM
It makes sense for drivers' ed.
 
2012-12-10 01:09:36 AM

GAT_00: and I'm all with the ACLU here. What a crock of shiat.


I dunno, man. When I get a surge of testosterone I get REAL good at math.
 
2012-12-10 01:12:32 AM

doglover: Here is a stereotype I know about one of the parties in this headline with no other context

 

t0.gstatic.com
 
2012-12-10 01:17:31 AM

kingoomieiii: doglover: Here is a stereotype I know about one of the parties in this headline with no other context 

[t0.gstatic.com image 278x181]


I say, I say, I say, that's a joke, son.
 
2012-12-10 01:18:34 AM

Apos: Mind-boggling idiocy. Alabama is clearly vying for a Fark tag.


Jake. It's Alabama. You can't do anything about it.

/Spent a lot of my life on the AL/TN/MS border. Jesus Christ, the stupidity.
//Jesus Christ seemed to have a lot to do with their stupidity, actually
 
2012-12-10 01:42:35 AM

BronyMedic: Apos: Mind-boggling idiocy. Alabama is clearly vying for a Fark tag.

Jake. It's Alabama. You can't do anything about it.

/Spent a lot of my life on the AL/TN/MS border. Jesus Christ, the stupidity.
//Jesus Christ seemed to have a lot to do with their stupidity, actually


Huntsville is the sole bastion of sanity, and even it's fading as of late. Too many old people retiring from the Arsenal and deciding in their spare time they need to get involved in everyone else's lives.
 
2012-12-10 01:53:00 AM
Figured the quote was an exaggeration or just made up by subby... no, no, it's real... and from the year 2012.

But hey, the SEC is a good at football.
 
2012-12-10 01:55:14 AM
FTFA: According to the ACLU, the school relied on a book that teaches that boys are better than girls in math because their bodies receive daily surges of testosterone, while girls have similar skills only a few days per month when they experience increased estrogen during the menstrual cycle.

Downloaded and read the PDF complaint. Seems to center around this book:

i.imgur.com 

Does a lot of "gender science." Not sure what that is supposed to mean, except it heavily priveldges nature over nurt
 
2012-12-10 02:03:03 AM

simplicimus: I say, I say, I say, that's a joke, son.


Both the premise and the punchline were the same stereotype. It wasn't funny.

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2012-12-10 02:23:05 AM

BronyMedic: Apos: Mind-boggling idiocy. Alabama is clearly vying for a Fark tag.

Jake. It's Alabama. You can't do anything about it.

/Spent a lot of my life on the AL/TN/MS border. Jesus Christ, the stupidity.
//Jesus Christ seemed to have a lot to do with their stupidity, actually



That is....quite unfortunate.
 
2012-12-10 02:25:55 AM
According to the ACLU, the school relied on a book that teaches that boys are better than girls in math because their bodies receive daily surges of testosterone, while girls have similar skills only a few days per month when they experience increased estrogen during the menstrual cycle.

20prospect.files.wordpress.com

/Oblig, hot and wrong.
 
2012-12-10 02:30:28 AM
Not only the math thing - the boys also get daily exercise while the girls are kept quiet. How the fark does anyone get the idea that girls don't need exercise?!

I mean, that's stupid even for Alabama.
 
2012-12-10 02:33:55 AM
How about we stop sending foreign aid to third-world developing countries and send it to farking Alabama?
 
2012-12-10 02:55:25 AM
I've always thought Birmingham was the most segregated city I've ever been too and well this is just proving me right in a different way.
/sad
 
2012-12-10 02:56:42 AM

TheHopeDiamond: How about we stop sending foreign aid to third-world developing countries and send it to farking Alabama?


How about you stop making fun of the best school system on the planet? Alabama was first place out of fifty states in getting the lowest science test scores. It's no wonder we kick your butts at football.
 
2012-12-10 02:59:28 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Not only the math thing - the boys also get daily exercise while the girls are kept quiet. How the fark does anyone get the idea that girls don't need exercise?!

I mean, that's stupid even for Alabama.


They likes their wimminfolks fleshy.
 
2012-12-10 03:31:12 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Benevolent Misanthrope: Not only the math thing - the boys also get daily exercise while the girls are kept quiet. How the fark does anyone get the idea that girls don't need exercise?!

I mean, that's stupid even for Alabama.

They likes their wimminfolks fleshy.


We're in America. That's where school kids start these days.

/fat
 
2012-12-10 03:37:13 AM
BLAGGH.

I do NOT like my wimmenfolks fleshy.

I trot the streets and human-watch and eeeewww the sights I see.
 
2012-12-10 03:40:39 AM

kingoomieiii: doglover: Here is a stereotype I know about one of the parties in this headline with no other context 

[t0.gstatic.com image 278x181]


i25.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-10 03:49:59 AM
Holy shiat. I thought the headline was one of those quotes that doesn't appear in the article Fark cliche. Was this book the article talks about written in the 40's?
 
2012-12-10 03:51:59 AM

Kittypie070: BLAGGH.

I do NOT like my wimmenfolks fleshy.

I trot the streets and human-watch and eeeewww the sights I see.


Kittypie070: BLAGGH.

I do NOT like my wimmenfolks fleshy.

I trot the streets and human-watch and eeeewww the sights I see.


Wait are you in Bama? I'm confused now but I do agree, hmmm.
 
2012-12-10 03:54:06 AM

Snapper Carr: Was this book the article talks about written in the 40's?


Answered my own question - it was published in 2000
 
2012-12-10 03:55:02 AM
Makes sense. Beating Your Wife 101 would result in better scores from the males.
 
2012-12-10 03:55:35 AM
I was gonna try to say something smart or funny, but screw it. Fark everyone involved with making this happen. THIS is states rights in action, folks, and boy howdy, ain't they some clever sumbiatches? 

Idiots! Goddamn idiots are in charge! What the actual fark is wrong with us?
 
2012-12-10 03:55:55 AM
holy crap. I thought subby was making that up. My apologies, good sir/madam. You were, indeed, quoting from TFA.

I can't believe parents are allowing this. If every parent took their child out of the school, or at least threatened to, perhaps the school would smarten up.

/don't really believe that, but I live in hope.
 
2012-12-10 03:56:24 AM

Somacandra: FTFA: According to the ACLU, the school relied on a book that teaches that boys are better than girls in math because their bodies receive daily surges of testosterone, while girls have similar skills only a few days per month when they experience increased estrogen during the menstrual cycle.

Downloaded and read the PDF complaint. Seems to center around this book:

[i.imgur.com image 350x523] 

Does a lot of "gender science." Not sure what that is supposed to mean, except it heavily priveldges nature over nurt

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So why ARE boys better at math? My reference is a similar-sounding book called Brain Sex.
i50.tinypic.com

IIRC the book cites the absurdly lopsided ratio of male:female mathematics doctorates as proof.

b-b-but sexism at universities!

b-b-but child rearing duties!

b-b-but male hegemony!
 
2012-12-10 04:02:07 AM

Big Ramifications: Somacandra: FTFA: According to the ACLU, the school relied on a book that teaches that boys are better than girls in math because their bodies receive daily surges of testosterone, while girls have similar skills only a few days per month when they experience increased estrogen during the menstrual cycle.

Downloaded and read the PDF complaint. Seems to center around this book:

[i.imgur.com image 350x523] 

Does a lot of "gender science." Not sure what that is supposed to mean, except it heavily priveldges nature over nurt
~
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So why ARE boys better at math? My reference is a similar-sounding book called Brain Sex.
[i50.tinypic.com image 121x187]

IIRC the book cites the absurdly lopsided ratio of male:female mathematics doctorates as proof.

b-b-but sexism at universities!

b-b-but child rearing duties!

b-b-but male hegemony!


So what exactly are you saying? That a predominance of male mathematics postgraduates is proof that testosterone makes you a math wiz?
 
2012-12-10 04:05:53 AM
Wasn't this a simpsons episode :/ ? Does the school board learn nothing from Fox animation domination?
 
2012-12-10 04:11:12 AM

Metalithic: IIRC the book cites the absurdly lopsided ratio of male:female mathematics doctorates as proof.

So what exactly are you saying? That a predominance of male mathematics postgraduates is proof that testosterone makes you a math wiz?

~
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Firstly, I'm asking why there is a difference. Not saying why there is a difference [albeit in a smartass way - try not to get too butt hurt].

Secondly, if you read between the lines, clearly I'm asking: "OK, so it's not testosterone. Great. I'm happy for youse all. So why is there a difference? Coz there clearly is a difference by the time you get to leet university level mathematicians.

Got any ideas, chuckles?
 
2012-12-10 04:13:11 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Kittypie070: BLAGGH.

I do NOT like my wimmenfolks fleshy.

I trot the streets and human-watch and eeeewww the sights I see.


Wait are you in Bama? I'm confused now but I do agree, hmmm.


I visited there once.
 
2012-12-10 04:14:34 AM
The older I get, the more absolutely stupid humanity seems to become.

I grew up in the 50's and got used to Stupid, but by the 60's, changes were taking place that would be profound and for the overall good. Now we exist in a world of electronic miracles, which has shrunk the world dramatically, opened up borders, crossed the barriers of tradition, language, religion and society, exposed people to the thoughts of millions and brought vast amounts of education to your home, for free, at the click of a mouse.

I've seen 'liberation' in many forms and freedoms flourish like never before. I've watched traditions fall and civilizations begin to blend as free thinkers began to be heard.

However, as always, there seems to be an undercurrent of Stupid, which threatens to suck civilization back down into the Dark Ages and some people cling to archaic ideas and hire lawyers more than willing to take their money and tie up the courts in an effort to suppress the rights of others and make a joke of the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Maybe pushing so much electronic advances on people was done before the species had matured enough to grasp them. The Internet and cell phones have given rise to new, expansive outlets for the Lunatic Fringe and hate groups, people who spew hate over things they don't understand and others who spread misinformation mainly because they can.

Stupid seems to thrive in the Southern States of the USA, where many folks are still fighting the civil war and cling to old traditions and philosophies.

Whoever is responsible for reinstating a segregational system that was forcibly ended by law at the end of the 18th century needs to have his or her collective arses kicked and loose their positions of power and influence.

Humanity never fails to disappoint me.
 
2012-12-10 04:16:52 AM

Big Ramifications: Metalithic: IIRC the book cites the absurdly lopsided ratio of male:female mathematics doctorates as proof.

So what exactly are you saying? That a predominance of male mathematics postgraduates is proof that testosterone makes you a math wiz?
~
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Firstly, I'm asking why there is a difference. Not saying why there is a difference [albeit in a smartass way - try not to get too butt hurt].

Secondly, if you read between the lines, clearly I'm asking: "OK, so it's not testosterone. Great. I'm happy for youse all. So why is there a difference? Coz there clearly is a difference by the time you get to leet university level mathematicians.

Got any ideas, chuckles?


Here's your answer: They aren't. Through middle school girls tend to edge out boys in math scores on standardized tests. In high school they tend to tie.
 
2012-12-10 04:17:55 AM
boys are different from girls? amazing! no way....

and the quote from the headline is never found in the article
 
2012-12-10 04:18:53 AM
[kitten jumps up carefully into Rik01's lap, purrs nicely]
 
2012-12-10 04:19:32 AM

Rik01: The older I get, the more absolutely stupid humanity seems to become.

I grew up in the 50's and got used to Stupid, but by the 60's, changes were taking place that would be profound and for the overall good. Now we exist in a world of electronic miracles, which has shrunk the world dramatically, opened up borders, crossed the barriers of tradition, language, religion and society, exposed people to the thoughts of millions and brought vast amounts of education to your home, for free, at the click of a mouse.

I've seen 'liberation' in many forms and freedoms flourish like never before. I've watched traditions fall and civilizations begin to blend as free thinkers began to be heard.

However, as always, there seems to be an undercurrent of Stupid, which threatens to suck civilization back down into the Dark Ages and some people cling to archaic ideas and hire lawyers more than willing to take their money and tie up the courts in an effort to suppress the rights of others and make a joke of the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Maybe pushing so much electronic advances on people was done before the species had matured enough to grasp them. The Internet and cell phones have given rise to new, expansive outlets for the Lunatic Fringe and hate groups, people who spew hate over things they don't understand and others who spread misinformation mainly because they can.

Stupid seems to thrive in the Southern States of the USA, where many folks are still fighting the civil war and cling to old traditions and philosophies.

Whoever is responsible for reinstating a segregational system that was forcibly ended by law at the end of the 18th century needs to have his or her collective arses kicked and loose their positions of power and influence.

Humanity never fails to disappoint me.

 
2012-12-10 04:21:36 AM

Somacandra: FTFA: According to the ACLU, the school relied on a book that teaches that boys are better than girls in math because their bodies receive daily surges of testosterone, while girls have similar skills only a few days per month when they experience increased estrogen during the menstrual cycle.

Downloaded and read the PDF complaint. Seems to center around this book:

[i.imgur.com image 350x523] 

Does a lot of "gender science." Not sure what that is supposed to mean, except it heavily privileged nature over nurture


From what I read on his website, this guy is basically a teacher who went and did "post-graduate" work in Educational psychology, and now claims to be a neuro-psychological specialist... Even so, educational psychologist ≠ neuro-psychologist, nor anything close to it. It is this kind of garbage science that they teach you isn't true in your first year of psychology...
 
2012-12-10 04:22:00 AM
CSS time:

They tried splitting out girls and boys into our own gym classes one year at my high school. The reasoning was that girls and boys have different interests in physical activities. Really, I think my teacher just really, really wanted to teach dance and they knew the boys wouldn't go for it.

Well, we girls didn't really go for it, either. It was supposed to be some six-week course, going through all the different major types of dance. ...while the boys got to screw around playing basketball. By the second week, we were pretty close to mutiny, and if you have never seen 70+ teenaged girls all sulking around in a room with a smoldering look of fury in their eyes, well. You can imagine.

Anyway, by that point, my teacher, god love her, realized what was happening. So she decided to hold a vote. Continue dance or play tennis with the shiattiest ping-pong paddle-sized plastic racquets you've ever seen? And oh man, it was like a TV show, the way she said it all. "Who would like to continue with our wonderful study of dance, ranging in a wide selection of important historical, cultural, blahblahblah" and on. One girl raised her hand. Then she said, flatly, "...and who would like to play tennis?"

We voted for tennis.

Best month of gym class ever, eight of us to a court with those shiatty plastic racquets and all. We had a hell of a great time.

I think that's what finally broke my teacher's heart in gym, though, and convinced her to stick to teaching English. She was great at that.
 
2012-12-10 04:23:46 AM

giftedmadness: and the quote from the headline is never found in the article


Know how I know you didn't read the article?
 
2012-12-10 04:25:05 AM
Do public schools have liberties like that?
 
2012-12-10 04:26:01 AM

Big Ramifications: IIRC the book cites the absurdly lopsided ratio of male:female mathematics doctorates as proof.


That's an interesting question. When I was at university, maths was roughly 50:50 at undergraduate level and roughly 20:1 male to female at postgrad. Physics, on the other hand, had a much higher proportion of women postgrads than undergrads.
 
2012-12-10 04:26:36 AM
Are the Asian and Eastern European students in different classes also?
/They have kilotons of testosterone following in each one of them
 
2012-12-10 04:29:35 AM
Did these assclowns fall out of the stupid tree and hit every branch on the way down?
 
2012-12-10 04:31:34 AM
"the school relied on a book that teaches that boys are better than girls in math because their bodies receive daily surges of testosterone"

When I get a surge of testosterone, all I can think about is multiplying. Am I right? amirite? guys?
 
2012-12-10 04:35:03 AM
It doesn't make a lot of sense. If this program is so great, you might as well test kids for their testosterone levels so they're in the right group. Testosterone levels vary wildly between individuals. I'm an XY male with idiopathic secondary hypogonadism (basically a pituitary issue causes me to have low testosterone and they don't know why) and I have similar testosterone levels to an XX friend of mine who has PCOS. I went through two years of calculus in high school (I forget what they called it, AB, BC, soemthing like that), and did fine with testosterone levels that I assume were low back then as well.

But to throw all boys together and all girls together is a bit crude scientifically (if there really was any science to begin with).

I can also tell you the gay kids will suffer. It will be hell. The same way that they say there are less distractions, being with only the same gender becomes this torturous world where you observe what you like but can't do anything about while having to try to act like a normal person to not get found out. In short, gay guys need straight girls. Especially in Alabama.
 
2012-12-10 04:35:17 AM
Oh, so now science is "bad"?
 
2012-12-10 04:36:35 AM

Porous Horace: Oh, so now science is "bad"?


This word doesn't mean what I think you think it means in this context.
 
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