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(The New York Times)   Norwegian who parachuted into Nazi occupied territory on skis to blow up Hitler's nuclear weapons program using a 30-second fuse has just died at age 101 wishing he had accomplished something with his life   (nytimes.com) divider line 116
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2012-12-10 08:20:47 AM  

quatchi: My first thought was could make a good movie then I read...

He and other members of the mission at Norsk Hydro received medals from several Allied countries. In 1965, Hollywood produced "The Heroes of Telemark," a film starring Kirk Douglas and Richard Harris that included shootouts, dramatic chases through the snow and love scenes. The soldiers roundly panned the movie as unrealistic.

"He saw that," Mr. Stromsheim's son said. "He didn't like it. It was too glamorous."

Real soldiers are real.

Sounds like a good man. RIP.


One thing you might not really appreciate is that it's hard to make a gripping film of something that involves very little action, and a whole bunch of waiting.

I mean, I really enjoy hunting. I can spend hours in the woods looking for deer. It's an exciting thing to be actively looking for something to shoot. But a film about just that would be boring as Hell without some action. I suspect that the majority of things like this are the same: There wasn't a lot of actual *ACTION*, even if it was exciting and potentially dangerous to be actually accomplishing those feats.
 
2012-12-10 08:22:37 AM  

jgilb: I visited the heavy water plant in Rjukan and my Norwegian host had tears running
down her face while she gave me a tour. Very moving experience.


You shouldn't have hit her.
 
2012-12-10 08:25:06 AM  

dittybopper: dericwater: To be sure, most movies about WWII made in the 60s were just to melodramatic and not even close to being truthful. Remember Battle of the Bulge with Henry Fonda? They used the US Patton tank, a Vietnam era tank, to represent the Nazi "super tank". Guns of Navaronne, while entertaining, was not very close to real. The Longest Day was pretty close to real, as was the 1970s, Battle Of Britain, The Man That Never Was and Sink The Bismarck. But most of the others had too much unnecessary love interest scenes and glommed multiple soldiers' war histories onto one or two characters.

"Battle of the Bulge" can be forgiven for using US equipment for tanks that were for the most part unavailable at the time of filming. It's similar to how film-makers of "Tora Tora Tora" had to use what was available to represent Japanese aircraft.

Which brings up a great point, that "Tora Tora Tora" is perhaps the best of the WWII films, telling history like it pretty much was with almost zero distortions. It even beats out "Das Boot", which is perhaps the best submarine film, but it has some serious flaws, a major one being that in late 1941, the U-boats were at the height of their power, or nearly so, and moral in the U-bootwaffe was at it's peak. The film should have been set in mid-to-late 1943, which is when the Battle of the Atlantic had actually noticeably turned against the Nazis.

Another interesting contrast is between "Tora Tora Tora" and "Battle of Midway": Both tackled real historical events, but while TTT stuck to history and is a gripping film, BOM falls victim to the malady you describe, injecting an unnecessary love story (between a pilot and a Japanese-American girl, no less!). That, and the over-use of stock footage really brought down the potential for a good film. The events surrounding the battle of Midway *SHOULD* be made into a good film, but probably never will be.


Lived in Honolulu when they were filming Tora Tora Tora. Newspapers warned us not to be alarmed if we saw what looked like Japanese planes flying low over town. It was 1970.

Quite a few grown ups hadn't forgotten.
 
2012-12-10 08:30:56 AM  

Generation_D: Lived in Honolulu when they were filming Tora Tora Tora. Newspapers warned us not to be alarmed if we saw what looked like Japanese planes flying low over town. It was 1970.

Quite a few grown ups hadn't forgotten.


Well, in 1970 it had only been 29 years earlier. Someone 20 years old in 1941 would have been 49 in 1970, an age I am rapidly approaching myself, and one I consider relatively young.

/Met a WWI vet when I was a kid.
//Long dead by now.
///The vet, not the kid in me.
 
2012-12-10 08:40:27 AM  
orbister: The New York Times is reporting this a month late. Ah well, it took the two years to find out that there was a war going on, so I suppose things are getting a little better.

Oh, I am sure the New York Times reported on the invasion of Poland and subsequent events from day one.
 
2012-12-10 08:44:50 AM  
meh,

doesn't beat Valkoinen Kiolema, aka White Death

Link
 
2012-12-10 08:45:45 AM  
Generation_D: dittybopper: dericwater: To be sure, most movies about WWII made in the 60s were just to melodramatic and not even close to being truthful. Remember Battle of the Bulge with Henry Fonda? They used the US Patton tank, a Vietnam era tank, to represent the Nazi "super tank". Guns of Navaronne, while entertaining, was not very close to real. The Longest Day was pretty close to real, as was the 1970s, Battle Of Britain, The Man That Never Was and Sink The Bismarck. But most of the others had too much unnecessary love interest scenes and glommed multiple soldiers' war histories onto one or two characters.

"Battle of the Bulge" can be forgiven for using US equipment for tanks that were for the most part unavailable at the time of filming. It's similar to how film-makers of "Tora Tora Tora" had to use what was available to represent Japanese aircraft.

Which brings up a great point, that "Tora Tora Tora" is perhaps the best of the WWII films, telling history like it pretty much was with almost zero distortions. It even beats out "Das Boot", which is perhaps the best submarine film, but it has some serious flaws, a major one being that in late 1941, the U-boats were at the height of their power, or nearly so, and moral in the U-bootwaffe was at it's peak. The film should have been set in mid-to-late 1943, which is when the Battle of the Atlantic had actually noticeably turned against the Nazis.

Another interesting contrast is between "Tora Tora Tora" and "Battle of Midway": Both tackled real historical events, but while TTT stuck to history and is a gripping film, BOM falls victim to the malady you describe, injecting an unnecessary love story (between a pilot and a Japanese-American girl, no less!). That, and the over-use of stock footage really brought down the potential for a good film. The events surrounding the battle of Midway *SHOULD* be made into a good film, but probably never will be.

Lived in Honolulu when they were filming Tora Tora Tora. Newspapers ...


I thought filming wrapped in June of '69?
 
2012-12-10 08:46:44 AM  
"The combined group then made its way to the opposite side of a steep gorge from the Norsk Hydro facility. With the only bridge across guarded by Nazis, they descended to the bottom and climbed to the top on the other side."

Motherfarkers were really determined to blow up that place. All that climbing even with onions on their belts.
 
2012-12-10 08:49:16 AM  

dittybopper: RobSeace: monty666: I invented the turducken, but you don't see me tooting my horn about it all over the place.

If I invented a food with "turd" in the name, I'd hide away in shame, as well...

If I could toot my own horn, I wouldn't waste my time posting on Fark.


No, you'd be making cheesy amateur autofellatio porn.
 
2012-12-10 08:50:54 AM  

0Icky0: On-Off: We met at his flat, where he told me proudly he was in the U-Boots during the War. And there was no way he could'nt have noticed I was french and realy not nazi.
I was so shocked I didn't answer anything. But dude...

I've got a German friend in Thailand who's grandfathers were both high-ranking SS officers. (One of them blew his brains out on VE day). He's got that guy's Iron Cross hanging in his office. He's hugely proud of his German Greatest Generation.
But still...he has no problem mixing his Aryan seed with Thai women. So he's got that going for him.


He should fly a swastika flag. Heritage, not hate you know.
 
2012-12-10 08:51:01 AM  

ruinevil: Is this the mostly nonexistent one that Heisenberg was in charge of.


Not certain about that...
 
2012-12-10 08:51:42 AM  
so i hear fark actually used the hero tag properly... is this true??

next thing you know they will accidentally use the ironic tag correctly

/cats and dogs living together
 
2012-12-10 08:59:43 AM  
Too bad the Norwegians didn't honor his legacy and use some of their petro-dollars to buy a helicopter or zodiac boat to stop this guy:

static.guim.co.uk

/for Special Forces, talking about going from first to worst
 
2012-12-10 09:03:28 AM  

Baumli: FTA: They lighted a 30-second fuse and ran.
....they lit a 30-second fuse?????
/grammar Nazi


Ironic use of grammar Nazi-ing

On a related note, I'm in awe of this gentleman. Rest peacefully, sir.
 
2012-12-10 09:06:02 AM  

fusillade762: Now I want to watch this movie again:

[img.movieberry.com image 500x755] 

Oh dear lord, I just read the copy on that poster. Forgive me.


"Fighting on rough ground again"? The hell?
 
2012-12-10 09:07:29 AM  

monty666: dittybopper: RobSeace: monty666: I invented the turducken, but you don't see me tooting my horn about it all over the place.

If I invented a food with "turd" in the name, I'd hide away in shame, as well...

If I could toot my own horn, I wouldn't waste my time posting on Fark.

No, you'd be making cheesy amateur autofellatio porn.


I disagree. It would be high quality amateur autofellatio porn.
 
2012-12-10 09:09:41 AM  

rufus-t-firefly: He should fly a swastika flag. Heritage, not hate you know.


Well, he certainly isn't going to fly a banner with a rat's anus on it.
 
2012-12-10 09:17:36 AM  

ingineervt: I'm a bit impressed at the first group who escaped, lived off rock food and deer meat, and McGyvered a radio until the 2nd group met up with them..then went and completed the mission.


Listen, and understand. The Norwegians are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. They will not stop, ever, until the Nazi nuclear weapons program is dead.
 
2012-12-10 09:23:10 AM  

Baumli: FTA: They lighted a 30-second fuse and ran.
....they lit a 30-second fuse?????
/grammar Nazi


We all have our battles.
 
2012-12-10 09:26:33 AM  
Too bad about the ferry.
 
2012-12-10 09:29:41 AM  

dittybopper: quatchi: My first thought was could make a good movie then I read...

He and other members of the mission at Norsk Hydro received medals from several Allied countries. In 1965, Hollywood produced "The Heroes of Telemark," a film starring Kirk Douglas and Richard Harris that included shootouts, dramatic chases through the snow and love scenes. The soldiers roundly panned the movie as unrealistic.

"He saw that," Mr. Stromsheim's son said. "He didn't like it. It was too glamorous."

Real soldiers are real.

Sounds like a good man. RIP.

One thing you might not really appreciate is that it's hard to make a gripping film of something that involves very little action, and a whole bunch of waiting.

I mean, I really enjoy hunting. I can spend hours in the woods looking for deer. It's an exciting thing to be actively looking for something to shoot. But a film about just that would be boring as Hell without some action. I suspect that the majority of things like this are the same: There wasn't a lot of actual *ACTION*, even if it was exciting and potentially dangerous to be actually accomplishing those feats.


I liked this movie about hunting (kind of) and it didn't have too much action.

www.aceshowbiz.com
 
2012-12-10 09:31:41 AM  
Lovely plummage
 
2012-12-10 09:33:39 AM  

sudo give me more cowbell: but in 60 years, our grandkids are gonna be looking at what we did and thinking "yeah, they could have very easily made our lives easier, but instead they farked us over because it was 0.1% cheaper to drill more oil than to build a few solar panels."


I'm going to have to agree with you on this.
 
2012-12-10 09:36:18 AM  
age 101 wishing he had accomplished something with his life

If only he had spent more time on Fark.
 
2012-12-10 09:36:24 AM  

beta_plus: Too bad the Norwegians didn't honor his legacy and use some of their petro-dollars to buy a helicopter or zodiac boat to stop this guy:

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

/for Special Forces, talking about going from first to worst


THAT is what you took away from this? You need help
 
2012-12-10 09:36:49 AM  

ruinevil: Is this the mostly nonexistent one that Heisenberg was in charge of.


Well, we knew exactly where the plant was but had no idea how quickly they were moving toward a working bomb.
 
2012-12-10 09:44:18 AM  

beta_plus: Too bad the Norwegians didn't honor his legacy and use some of their petro-dollars to buy a helicopter or zodiac boat to stop this guy:

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

/for Special Forces, talking about going from first to worst


He's the latest one I like to point out when making an argument for the death penalty with friends. He did it and was proud of it--would do it again. He was sane, of at least average intelligence and in control of his actions. Now the citizens of Norway have to warehouse him the rest of his life in what amount to luxury prison accommodations while he looks back fondly on his "accomplishments" without even the remorse that one might feel at squashing a spider? No, he should die.

As for the real hero here, he was one of many all over Europe that fought to resist the Nazis. Those who fought and served have earned our praise and respect.
 
2012-12-10 09:46:08 AM  

Raging Thespian


ruinevil: Is this the mostly nonexistent one that Heisenberg was in charge of.

Well, we knew exactly where the plant was but had no idea how quickly they were moving toward a working bomb.


*nerdy snicker*
 
2012-12-10 09:52:15 AM  

dittybopper: quatchi: My first thought was could make a good movie then I read...

He and other members of the mission at Norsk Hydro received medals from several Allied countries. In 1965, Hollywood produced "The Heroes of Telemark," a film starring Kirk Douglas and Richard Harris that included shootouts, dramatic chases through the snow and love scenes. The soldiers roundly panned the movie as unrealistic.

"He saw that," Mr. Stromsheim's son said. "He didn't like it. It was too glamorous."

Real soldiers are real.

Sounds like a good man. RIP.

One thing you might not really appreciate is that it's hard to make a gripping film of something that involves very little action, and a whole bunch of waiting.

I mean, I really enjoy hunting. I can spend hours in the woods looking for deer. It's an exciting thing to be actively looking for something to shoot. But a film about just that would be boring as Hell without some action. I suspect that the majority of things like this are the same: There wasn't a lot of actual *ACTION*, even if it was exciting and potentially dangerous to be actually accomplishing those feats.


i.ytimg.com

"Hey, Ever wonder why we are here?"
"Its one of life's great mysteries... Were we made by some omnipotent being for some purpose or are we just some common coincident?"
"No, I meant why are we here in this canyon. What's all this stuff about God?"
"Um... nothing!"
"Want to talk about it?"
"No"

tv.shut.net

"So what are they doing?"
"Just standing there and talking. That's what they have been doing for the past 5 minutes. That's what they will be doing for the next 5 minutes when you ask."

The first few seasons were almost them just standing around and talking.
 
2012-12-10 10:11:30 AM  

BigBooper: While the depictions of the German soldiers are simplistic, the Japanese are depicted as subhuman monsters.


Hollywood does portray some things accurately.
 
2012-12-10 10:13:31 AM  
Yeah I just watched this documentary about him 

ecx.images-amazon.com 

Seriously though when I heard about this guy as a kid he was totally my hero for a while.

I don't know if this is his quote or just a Norwegian saying but I remember this was associated with him:

"A man who is a man goes on till he can do no more and then goes twice as far"
 
2012-12-10 10:14:05 AM  

dittybopper: rufus-t-firefly: He should fly a swastika flag. Heritage, not hate you know.

Well, he certainly isn't going to fly a banner with a rat's anus on it.


Never seen them before. Thanks for that.

And the "Are we the baddies?" made me think of this: 

i48.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-10 10:19:12 AM  

RobSeace: monty666: I invented the turducken, but you don't see me tooting my horn about it all over the place.

If I invented a food with "turd" in the name, I'd hide away in shame, as well...


Imagine how you'd feel if you invented sCRAPple!
 
2012-12-10 10:26:42 AM  

RembrandtQEinstein: Yeah I just watched this documentary about him 

[ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x300] 

Seriously though when I heard about this guy as a kid he was totally my hero for a while.

I don't know if this is his quote or just a Norwegian saying but I remember this was associated with him:

"A man who is a man goes on till he can do no more and then goes twice as far"


That movie is awesome.

/Bli en os.
/Bli ninja.
 
2012-12-10 10:55:45 AM  
I'm in your debt, Mr. Stromsheim.

Great job, subby, and likely spot-on.

Now I'll get my umbrella out of the closet because there's a threat of rain, and I have to walk 30 feet to my car.
 
2012-12-10 11:06:00 AM  

Devolving_Spud: Greatest Generation: Performed countless acts of humble greatness and self-sacrifice for the greater good.


....and responsible for spawning the Baby Boomers. Something went terribly wrong there, I think.
 
2012-12-10 11:06:40 AM  

dericwater: To be sure, most movies about WWII made in the 60s were just to melodramatic and not even close to being truthful.


Counterpoint: To Hell and Back. OK, it was 1955, but still Audie Murphy had them take out some shiat that HE ACTUALLY DID because it was so over the top he didn't think people would believe it was real. The guy was that balls-out insane.
 
2012-12-10 11:09:12 AM  
30. Second. Fuse.
Do you know how far away you can get in just 30 seconds? If you can use your legs? And aren't on a conveyor belt running the opposite direction? And your boots aren't tied together?

/plenty
 
2012-12-10 11:20:35 AM  

Baumli: FTA: They lighted a 30-second fuse and ran.
....they lit a 30-second fuse?????
/grammar Nazi


Better turn in your jackboots, Fritz. Lighted is correct. Lit is wrong.
 
2012-12-10 11:42:54 AM  

AgentKGB: That movie is awesome.


i45.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-10 11:46:03 AM  
Ha ha ha, ja ja, you see zis? You see zis here vat I have told you? Yeah, zis is an example of smartness here. I have said that zis is ze quick fuse. Huh? And zis IS ze quick fuse.

THE QUICK FUSE!
 
2012-12-10 11:47:22 AM  
Rest in peace, Norwegian dude, and thanks for kicking Nazi ass.
 
2012-12-10 11:51:40 AM  
It's just unreal what some people seem to have casually done earlier in their lives, granted they had a hell of a big war going on to be doing things in but still. These stories need to be gathered from those who were there before they're gone forever.

RIP you giant balled SOE guy, this REMF Cold Warrior has nothing but respect for what you did.

/not a cold warrior in the sense that he was, out hiking in the snow & all but rather.... ah you know what I meant
 
2012-12-10 11:58:07 AM  

Recoil Therapy: It's just unreal what some people seem to have casually done earlier in their lives, granted they had a hell of a big war going on to be doing things in but still. These stories need to be gathered from those who were there before they're gone forever.

RIP you giant balled SOE guy, this REMF Cold Warrior has nothing but respect for what you did.

/not a cold warrior in the sense that he was, out hiking in the snow & all but rather.... ah you know what I meant


Ironically, perhaps, I was a Cold Warrior who got stationed in Hawai'i. If it was a hot war, I suppose I would have ended up in Antarctica somewhere.

/It didn't suck.
 
2012-12-10 12:08:15 PM  

hdhale: He's the latest one I like to point out when making an argument for the death penalty with friends. He did it and was proud of it--would do it again. He was sane, of at least average intelligence and in control of his actions. Now the citizens of Norway have to warehouse him the rest of his life in what amount to luxury prison accommodations while he looks back fondly on his "accomplishments" without even the remorse that one might feel at squashing a spider? No, he should die.


Don't know about Norway, but in these United States life imprisonment is cheaper than the death penalty (because of the mandatory appeals and reviews).

And if there's no Hell, it could be argued that life imprisonment is a harsher punishment.
 
2012-12-10 12:13:44 PM  
What I want to know is how they made it down and up the ravine without the clanking of their huge titanium balls giving them away.

Damn.

/Hats off, and a salute to everyone on that team.
 
2012-12-10 12:13:45 PM  
btw. Much better description of the mission here.
Balls. of. Steel.
 
2012-12-10 12:14:21 PM  

trappedspirit: 30. Second. Fuse.
Do you know how far away you can get in just 30 seconds? If you can use your legs? And aren't on a conveyor belt running the opposite direction? And your boots aren't tied together?


However, the briefing probably contained statements such as, "This is some sort of doomsday device and it's theoretical and supposedly involves splitting atoms, and the top non-Nazi scientists are shiatting bricks and they say that a single explosion could wipe out an entire city and when they talked with me I started shiatting bricks and we don't really know what would happen if you blow up their lab and anyway you need to go and blow up their lab."
 
2012-12-10 12:16:19 PM  

dittybopper: Ironically, perhaps, I was a Cold Warrior who got stationed in Hawai'i. If it was a hot war, I suppose I would have ended up in Antarctica somewhere.


My ironically perhaps is that if the Cold War went hot I would have been cold. My Guard unit was tasked to go take over the running of Ft. Richardson in Alaska (& a few other locations up there such as Adak) so that the 4th ID could head out & fight. I'm glad that it never came down to that, Adak Island in January would suck.

/I'm reading a book right now on the Battle of the Bulge - those were some true 'cold' warriors.
 
2012-12-10 12:40:13 PM  

mofa: trappedspirit: 30. Second. Fuse.
Do you know how far away you can get in just 30 seconds? If you can use your legs? And aren't on a conveyor belt running the opposite direction? And your boots aren't tied together?

However, the briefing probably contained statements such as, "This is some sort of doomsday device and it's theoretical and supposedly involves splitting atoms, and the top non-Nazi scientists are shiatting bricks and they say that a single explosion could wipe out an entire city and when they talked with me I started shiatting bricks and we don't really know what would happen if you blow up their lab and anyway you need to go and blow up their lab."


What movie is that from?
 
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