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(WTKR)   Member of SEAL Team 6 killed in operation to rescue American doctor in Afghanistan   (wtkr.com) divider line 88
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2012-12-09 08:46:09 PM
The newsflash tag is a bit much.. This even being news isn't far behind either.
 
2012-12-10 12:59:38 AM
I always thought operators were just supposed to answer the phone.
 
2012-12-10 01:06:49 AM
Well, that sucks.

RIP
 
2012-12-10 01:50:16 AM
Bin Laden: So some Afghani motherf*ckers had better security than me? WTF?

/RIP
 
2012-12-10 01:52:40 AM

shower_in_my_socks: Bin Laden: So some Afghani motherf*ckers had better security than me? WTF?

/RIP


To be fair, Bin Laden wasn't in a fortress, he was in a hidden compound. His "security" was obscurity.
 
2012-12-10 02:56:12 AM
Dr. Dilip Joseph was freed 11 hours after his captors released two other kidnapped staffers of his nonprofit agency

So the operation was unnecessary?

Thanks, Obamacare!
 
2012-12-10 03:11:30 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Dr. Dilip Joseph was freed 11 hours after his captors released two other kidnapped staffers of his nonprofit agency

So the operation was unnecessary?

Thanks, Obamacare!


I'm not sure. "Freed" does not tell us whether the team freed him or the kidnappers did.
 
2012-12-10 03:14:22 AM

BarkingUnicorn: AverageAmericanGuy: Dr. Dilip Joseph was freed 11 hours after his captors released two other kidnapped staffers of his nonprofit agency

So the operation was unnecessary?

Thanks, Obamacare!

I'm not sure. "Freed" does not tell us whether the team freed him or the kidnappers did.


The article says the doctor's family paid the ransom.
 
2012-12-10 03:14:29 AM
I think I liked it better when the average person didn't know about SEAL teams and one dying wouldn't even be on the radar.
 
2012-12-10 03:17:46 AM

lewismarktwo: I think I liked it better when the average person didn't know about SEAL teams and one dying wouldn't even be on the radar.


I would wager this guy died doing nothing similar to what we're hearing.
 
2012-12-10 03:19:15 AM

lewismarktwo: I think I liked it better when the average person didn't know about SEAL teams and one dying wouldn't even be on the radar.


well you're a moron
 
2012-12-10 03:20:26 AM
Based on the organization's name they serve Lucifer?
I can't imagine having the guts to travel to one of these countries to do things that put me directly in harm's way, without extreme security and other precautionary measures. 
Good for them, but damn, that's just reckless.
 
2012-12-10 03:23:55 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: BarkingUnicorn: AverageAmericanGuy: Dr. Dilip Joseph was freed 11 hours after his captors released two other kidnapped staffers of his nonprofit agency

So the operation was unnecessary?

Thanks, Obamacare!

I'm not sure. "Freed" does not tell us whether the team freed him or the kidnappers did.

The article says the doctor's family paid the ransom.


Gott damned meddling civilians!
 
2012-12-10 03:25:04 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: The article says the doctor's family paid the ransom.


The article actually says this:

The Afghan doctor's family paid $12,000 to the smugglers, who later released him, Haqbeen and Samad said. For its part, Morning Star stated "categorically that we paid no ransom, money or other consideration" to anyone in securing any of its staffers' release.

So someone paid $12,000 but they aren't calling it ransom.

Fark that - if you pay them money it will only encourage them to repeat their actions.
 
2012-12-10 03:31:40 AM
TFA is all farked up. I think I finally get it:

"Joseph and an Afghan doctor were abducted near the village of Jegdalek"

"The Afghan doctor's family paid $12,000 to the smugglers, who later released him,"

"Sometime Saturday night, military forces rescued Joseph "
 
2012-12-10 03:34:35 AM
Shouldn't there also be newsflashes every time an Afghani soldier dies? They have families too. Even an article that interview the people who live nearby, to discuss how they feel with this sort of violence affecting their school aged children would be nice. They are probably thanking everyone involved for helping them make insurance claims and the polite helicopter pilots flying in stealth mode so nobody would lose sleep. The local parents must appreciate the great example being set for the youngsters, who obviously feel safe and protected by the SEALs. I'm sure that the schools the coalition forces are building will teach those kids the literacy levels they need to also fly helicopters and run businesses that supply armies and offer logistics, just like coalition children are learning in their countries. But all the news about Afghanistan is depressing. By newsflashing the deaths of American soldiers, we might get the impression that war is horrible or something.
 
2012-12-10 03:40:13 AM

Happy Hours: AverageAmericanGuy: The article says the doctor's family paid the ransom.

The article actually says this:

The Afghan doctor's family paid $12,000 to the smugglers, who later released him, Haqbeen and Samad said. For its part, Morning Star stated "categorically that we paid no ransom, money or other consideration" to anyone in securing any of its staffers' release.

So someone paid $12,000 but they aren't calling it ransom.

Fark that - if you pay them money it will only encourage them to repeat their actions.


Yes, it does encourage them....but the odds of them repeating their actions with *your* loved ones approaches zero really, really, really fast. 12k, for a lot of people, is a fairly insignificant drop in the bucket so, really, why should they care? Historically (and it's supported by this incident as well) the captors don't hold on to poor people or people from poor families because they aren't worth the money. The ones they do hold onto for ransoms....generally speaking.....have a decent amount of money. Given the choice between the safe return of my wife or another ski-resort vacation, it's in my personal interest to negotiate with terrorists.

What's best for the government and/or official policies isn't always what's best for an individual.
 
2012-12-10 03:40:14 AM
Sorry, I'm just having a flashback to 1/8 a century ago thinking that something wrong, very wrong was going to happen by George Bush taking a 5 week vacation just 6 months after inauguration. At the time, I was worried about China and Taiwan. But 9/11, Iraq, Afghanistan an even worse clusterfark. And for a 1/8 of a century in Afghanistan, there's still Taliban poised to take back Afghanistan and El Quaeda controlling north Mali.
 
2012-12-10 03:44:19 AM
That doctor was a douche bag
/that is all
 
2012-12-10 03:48:46 AM
Ironic that the doctor would probably have been in no danger of being kidnapped if there weren't US seals, and other assorted killers, running around their country killing people.
 
2012-12-10 03:51:56 AM

giftedmadness: lewismarktwo: I think I liked it better when the average person didn't know about SEAL teams and one dying wouldn't even be on the radar.

well you're a moron


Why's that chief?
 
2012-12-10 03:57:40 AM

doglover: I always thought operators were just supposed to answer the phone.


It depends how smooth they are.
 
2012-12-10 03:59:51 AM

DrPainMD: Ironic that the doctor would probably have been in no danger of being kidnapped if there weren't US seals, and other assorted killers, running around their country killing people.


Mmmmno. This is what they do once the harvest has been gathered.
They're primitive, thieving barbarians. Like Scots, only better groomed.
 
2012-12-10 04:08:15 AM

0Icky0: DrPainMD: Ironic that the doctor would probably have been in no danger of being kidnapped if there weren't US seals, and other assorted killers, running around their country killing people.

Mmmmno. This is what they do once the harvest has been gathered.
They're primitive, thieving barbarians. Like Scots, only better groomed.


If they were primitive, thieving barbarians they'd be over here trying to steal our oil.
 
2012-12-10 04:10:02 AM

lewismarktwo: giftedmadness: lewismarktwo: I think I liked it better when the average person didn't know about SEAL teams and one dying wouldn't even be on the radar.

well you're a moron

Why's that chief?


ignorance is bliss, right moron?
 
2012-12-10 04:11:41 AM

0Icky0: DrPainMD: Ironic that the doctor would probably have been in no danger of being kidnapped if there weren't US seals, and other assorted killers, running around their country killing people.

Mmmmno. This is what they do once the harvest has been gathered.
They're primitive, thieving barbarians. Like Scots, only better groomed.


Don't feed the trolls.
 
2012-12-10 04:15:01 AM

Fark_Guy_Rob: Yes, it does encourage them....but the odds of them repeating their actions with *your* loved ones approaches zero really, really, really fast. 12k, for a lot of people, is a fairly insignificant drop in the bucket so, really, why should they care? Historically (and it's supported by this incident as well) the captors don't hold on to poor people or people from poor families because they aren't worth the money. The ones they do hold onto for ransoms....generally speaking.....have a decent amount of money. Given the choice between the safe return of my wife or another ski-resort vacation, it's in my personal interest to negotiate with terrorists.

What's best for the government and/or official policies isn't always what's best for an individual.


Yeah, I see your point and if it were my friend or family I'd pay up too - if I could. If it were me, I'd just say give me a quick and painless death.
 
2012-12-10 04:15:17 AM

DrPainMD: Ironic that the doctor would probably have been in no danger of being kidnapped if there weren't US seals, and other assorted killers, running around their country killing people.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-10 04:26:10 AM
You have to wonder what the rest of that soldiers team is thinking. Sure the mission was successful, but was the docs life worth more than the soldiers? I know that they know what they are getting into, but human nature would leave those guys pondering whether or not it was worth it IMO
 
2012-12-10 04:39:38 AM

publikenemy: You have to wonder what the rest of that soldiers team is thinking. Sure the mission was successful, but was the docs life worth more than the soldiers? I know that they know what they are getting into, but human nature would leave those guys pondering whether or not it was worth it IMO


You don't read enough.

The mentality of special forces isn't like WWI Draftees sent to the trenches. They work really hard to get the job. They work harder for the chance to get shot to death than most people would ever work to avoid it. They train and train and train for missions like this. It's their whole life. The specifics of the missions don't matter so much, nor do the politics. It's the challenge they're after. And, sometimes, the bear gets you. That's just how these things happen.
 
2012-12-10 05:05:09 AM
Strange how they are all slowly...disappearing.
 
2012-12-10 05:13:42 AM

giftedmadness: lewismarktwo: giftedmadness: lewismarktwo: I think I liked it better when the average person didn't know about SEAL teams and one dying wouldn't even be on the radar.

well you're a moron

Why's that chief?

ignorance is bliss, right moron?


You're a moron! Your mom!
 
2012-12-10 05:38:53 AM
Man, it's sad that it has come to this. An elite member of the US military dies in action trying to save a Doctor that volunteers to help people in that hell hole of a a country from kidnappers, and most of the responses in the thread are indifferent or hostile to the SEAL.

Out of curiosity, what could a SEAL team do to earn the approval of Fark?
 
2012-12-10 05:42:04 AM

doglover: The mentality of special forces isn't like WWI Draftees sent to the trenches. They work really hard to get the job. They work harder for the chance to get shot to death than most people would ever work to avoid it. They train and train and train for missions like this. It's their whole life. The specifics of the missions don't matter so much, nor do the politics. It's the challenge they're after. And, sometimes, the bear gets you. That's just how these things happen.


img41.imageshack.us 
 
2012-12-10 05:50:51 AM

Nadnerbus: Out of curiosity, what could a SEAL team do to earn the approval of Fark?


Stand down.
 
2012-12-10 06:02:40 AM
Just another day in Afghanistan, (Just ask the Brits.)
 
2012-12-10 06:05:21 AM

doglover: publikenemy: You have to wonder what the rest of that soldiers team is thinking. Sure the mission was successful, but was the docs life worth more than the soldiers? I know that they know what they are getting into, but human nature would leave those guys pondering whether or not it was worth it IMO

You don't read enough.

The mentality of special forces isn't like WWI Draftees sent to the trenches. They work really hard to get the job. They work harder for the chance to get shot to death than most people would ever work to avoid it. They train and train and train for missions like this. It's their whole life. The specifics of the missions don't matter so much, nor do the politics. It's the challenge they're after. And, sometimes, the bear gets you. That's just how these things happen.



Maybe..that's what they say anyways, but no one knows if the thought creeps into their heads. They are still human. They are also trained to say the right thing so who knows.

Kind of like pro sports. They have to say the right thing regarding their teammates and/or coaches, but down the line when they write a book, they dish the dirt on their true feelings..I.e.; "I never thought we should have had a green light for that mission to save the doctor, I knew it was fubar and it wasn't worth our brothers life"
 
2012-12-10 07:07:39 AM

doglover: publikenemy: You have to wonder what the rest of that soldiers team is thinking. Sure the mission was successful, but was the docs life worth more than the soldiers? I know that they know what they are getting into, but human nature would leave those guys pondering whether or not it was worth it IMO

You don't read enough.

The mentality of special forces isn't like WWI Draftees sent to the trenches. They work really hard to get the job. They work harder for the chance to get shot to death than most people would ever work to avoid it. They train and train and train for missions like this. It's their whole life. The specifics of the missions don't matter so much, nor do the politics. It's the challenge they're after. And, sometimes, the bear gets you. That's just how these things happen.


Totally agree with this, well said. I knew career enlisted Marines who were like this, I cant imagine what the guys who were even a further generation removed and conditioned with the training they choose to go through would be like.

While I would imagine after retiring out of the service and reflecting on what they did and after they reintegrate into civilian life and deprogram, some of them probably do have the feelings mentioned, regret what they did, feel bad for killing people on their missions or what have you. But I would also be willing to argue that the majority of them who are going on these strikes are in the zone as it is possible to be and aren't reflecting on it in the same way civilians would
 
2012-12-10 07:11:58 AM
So now it's just SEAL Team 5?
 
2012-12-10 07:15:40 AM
First things first.
The Afghan is the person, the Afghani is the money.

Secondly, if you go to Aghanistan, you're putting American service people at risk for exactly the reason in TFA. Don't go there, a-holes. You're not helping, we're not helping; we're the cause of this trouble and violence.

Yeah, Merikuh! We're in the hero-making business!
 
2012-12-10 07:20:23 AM
imperialism has it's price. nothing to see here. move along citizen.
 
2012-12-10 07:29:00 AM

Nadnerbus: Man, it's sad that it has come to this. An elite member of the US military dies in action trying to save a Doctor that volunteers to help people in that hell hole of a a country from kidnappers, and most of the responses in the thread are indifferent or hostile to the SEAL.

Out of curiosity, what could a SEAL team do to earn the approval of Fark?


Kill anyone who isn't atheist, vote for democrats, post naked pictures of their wives/girlfriends, then kill themselves in an amusing way. That should earn them the "hero" tag around here.
 
2012-12-10 07:43:14 AM
Someone needs to link to an article on Fark that explains that the basic existence of a soldier is not about being some killing machine, it is the oath they take to die when we tell them to. This individual died doing that. It is why we give them a separate society, and medals, etc.
 
2012-12-10 07:46:36 AM
is it just me or was Darragh Copley in the control room looking good today?
 
2012-12-10 07:59:30 AM
Just wait for the movie.

//Which just makes it even more sad.
 
2012-12-10 08:01:36 AM

publikenemy: They are also trained to say the right thing so who knows.


Hahaha, no. Talk to most servicepeople, if you don't know any SOF guys. SOF are, for the most part, very blunt and straightforward, moreso than even your rank and file military. They are *not* trained to talk the party line. They are trained to say what they think - which is one reason why they are not supposed to talk to the press. That job is for those trained to talk to the press/public - the Public Affairs folks.
 
2012-12-10 08:07:44 AM

lewismarktwo: giftedmadness: lewismarktwo: giftedmadness: lewismarktwo: I think I liked it better when the average person didn't know about SEAL teams and one dying wouldn't even be on the radar.

well you're a moron

Why's that chief?

ignorance is bliss, right moron?

You're a moron! Your mom!


ttuinder.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-10 08:14:57 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: lewismarktwo: giftedmadness: lewismarktwo: giftedmadness: lewismarktwo: I think I liked it better when the average person didn't know about SEAL teams and one dying wouldn't even be on the radar.

well you're a moron

Why's that chief?

ignorance is bliss, right moron?

You're a moron! Your mom!

[ttuinder.files.wordpress.com image 400x186]


(that was sarcasm)
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2012-12-10 08:23:35 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: BarkingUnicorn: AverageAmericanGuy: Dr. Dilip Joseph was freed 11 hours after his captors released two other kidnapped staffers of his nonprofit agency

So the operation was unnecessary?

Thanks, Obamacare!

I'm not sure. "Freed" does not tell us whether the team freed him or the kidnappers did.

The article says the doctor's family paid the ransom.


And if there's one thing a group of people are known for doing, it's being willing to kidnap people at gunpoint, hold them hostage, demand money from whomever will pay it, and then keep their word that no one will be harmed.

/is there where I pay 2 gold coins?
 
2012-12-10 08:24:40 AM
Is this a scandal yet?
 
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