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2012-12-09 08:46:06 PM
12 votes:
You JUST GOT legalized weed. Don't go farking it up for everyone, jerkwads.
2012-12-09 08:51:44 PM
5 votes:

Smackledorfer: I think felony is pushing it here. People have done and will do worse things, with malice no less, and gotten much less time.

When being an idiot about drugs is multiple felonies than hopefully battery is life in prison.


Drugging someone without their consent could hurt them severely, both physically or legally. What if they tried to drive, not knowing this? Or if they never realized they had pot brownies and work in a place that they're subject to drug tests?

You want to fark up your own life, that's your own business. But if you want to end or ruin another person's life then you should do some serious time.
2012-12-09 09:37:58 PM
4 votes:

Smackledorfer: Are there any other crimes at all in which the penalty for an action is based on the worst possible outcome and ignores intent? I can't think of any.


Copyright infringement.
2012-12-09 08:59:20 PM
4 votes:
I can see people being really worried and scared. After all, think about how you feel when you are pretty stoned or drunk. Think about some of the symptoms, like dizziness, lack of coordination, trouble concentrating, changes in temperature perception and so on. Everything is, well, different. Now when you get high/drunk you know what you are doing and why it happens so no big deal. But if that started happening to you all of a sudden, for no apparent reason? You might well freak out because you have no idea what is going wrong and there are some serious medical problems that can present similar symptoms.

Also, not everyone has something to compare it to. Not everyone gets high. So it isn't like everyone could even say "Oh this feel like when I'm high, that is probably what happened," never mind that suppressing higher reasoning is one of the effects.

So I can understand why they are in so much trouble.
2012-12-09 08:24:01 PM
4 votes:
Reminds me of the one (and only) episode of "ER" I ever watched (because it was directed by Quentin Tarantino). A bunch of kids end up in the ER after eating chocolates dosed with LSD. One of the nurses unwittingly eats one and wanders around all wide-eyed and pawing at the walls like a child. No. Just no. You'd think you were dying or had been poisoned.

Never watched that stupid show again.
2012-12-09 09:11:54 PM
3 votes:

Smackledorfer: Intent matters, and actual damage caused matters.

In that regard the punishment should fit the crime, and years in pmita prison for being stupid with pot brownies doesn't strike me as serving justice.

Any time above expulsion and a few months jailtime will be unlikely to increase the preventative aspect of the punishment, on others or on these morons. Extra time isn't likely to help rehabilitate these idiots.

So what is the point? A revenge sentence that costs society extra money and gives it nothing in return? No thanks.


If I were to give you spiked drinks with the intent that you have fun at a party and you end up getting in a fatal drunk driving accident, I'm going to go to jail. Because intent only matters to a certain extent. What also matters is what a reasonable person could expect to happen.

You drug someone against their will, you're responsible for the worst case scenarios of what can happen to them.

Putting someone in jail for years for smoking pot of their couch is retarded and yes, that is revenge sentencing. Putting someone in jail for years from drugging someone without their consent is just common sense.
2012-12-09 09:09:06 PM
3 votes:

LDM90: But I have been assured by Fark that pot is completely harmless and just legalize it already!


None of these people were actually in any danger though. They just didn't know they were high, so they panicked and got help. But once it wore off in a few hours, there was no harm done.
2012-12-09 08:51:15 PM
3 votes:
There's a big difference between feeling dizzy/high/whatever after you know you've taken a dose of something, and having that all of a sudden come on. I smoke pot so rarely that if I was in class and suddenly the room was spinning, um, yeah, I might go to the ER as a precaution. My first thought might not be "oh, wait, it's just pot".

I just don't get why you'd want to waste good drugs on unsuspecting people. Either they came up with that idea, baked them, and handed them out while stoned off their ass, or they have enough money/connections/a big enough habit where using that much pot for a joke was worth it. In any case, pretty effing lame.
2012-12-09 07:34:48 PM
3 votes:
"The Boulder County district attorney will review the case, at which time Cunningham and Essa may each face more than 10 felonies, Huff said."


Seems a bit harsh.

Then again, it is NEVER cool to offer any intoxicant to unwitting / unwilling participants.


/Except Rohypnol, of course
2012-12-09 07:25:39 PM
3 votes:
The "awesome prank" is pretty stupid, then and now.
2012-12-10 08:27:15 AM
2 votes:

whidbey: ScreamingHangover: But sheesh drop the police state crap. You want to throw the book at someone for doping someone with pot brownies. For fark's sakes.

So here's the next question for you: if one of the victims got behind the wheel of a car and got into an accident causing serious injury, would you consider the asshats culpable?

But they didn't, and your assumption is a bit absurd.

The here and now is that the prank didn't cause any real harm, and it's probably likely that the Emergency Room trips weren't even necessary.

People panicked. But it's disturbing to me how you'd go full Nazi along with the school and the authorities.


No, no, no, no, no. When someone breaks the law, you don't punish them because of the actual consequences. You punish them because of the reasonably potential consequences. You know what your logic says to me? "Oh, so he drove drunk. Big deal! He got home fine!" Repeat ad nauseam until someone is dead.
2012-12-10 04:30:15 AM
2 votes:

whidbey: It sounds like a huge stretch, honestly. So...feeding someone something almost benign like pot brownies now equates to rape.


Rape is generally just the insertion of a penis into a vagina. Most insertion of penis into vagina is benign; hundreds of millions of people around the world do it every day for fun.

Now, I wonder what the possible parallels could be between giving someone a generally harmless drug without their consent and inserting a generally harmless penis without their consent?
2012-12-10 03:49:05 AM
2 votes:

whidbey: It sounds like a huge stretch, honestly. So...feeding someone something almost benign like pot brownies now equates to rape. Wow.


I'm not going to try to compare it to rape, but it is a violation of someone that should not be accepted. I've been very drunk and very stoned and even tripped a few times, but every time I did I knew I was ingesting some sort of substance. If I suddenly were stoned out of my mind and had never smoked pot before and didn't know why I felt like that I would probably go to the emergency room too and I would certainly consider it a huge violation of my mind and body.

Even having willingly partaken in various drugs in the past, I would be mad as hell if you dosed me without my knowledge and consent.


So take your stupid attitude of "it's just a little pot" and shove it up your ass.
2012-12-09 10:48:11 PM
2 votes:

LDM90: But I have been assured by Fark that pot is completely harmless and just legalize it already!


No you weren't. You were assured that jailing hundreds of thousands of non-violent drug offenders is stupid.

It is.
2012-12-09 10:42:03 PM
2 votes:
If you slip pot to me without my knowledge, be prepared for me to kick your ass when it wears off. I will take it no differently than if you tried to poison me.

Actually, I wouldn't kick your ass, but I would press charges and sue you into oblivion. I'd let the cops and courts kick your ass for me.

It's about choice and taking away my free will. You might as well be raping someone if you drug them against their will or without their knowledge. You are violating their body and taking away their right to say "no."
2012-12-09 10:28:26 PM
2 votes:
You've got to be kidding me.

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It's just common sense.
2012-12-09 09:55:46 PM
2 votes:
They should be expelled, immediately. Regardless of whether they actually spend any time in jail, they should be required to put the following on every resume or application they submit for anything:

"I am such a stupid, arrogant piece of shiat that I think my sense of humor is more important than the health, safety, or education of anyone around me. If you hire me, be aware that I am such a selfish asshole that I enjoy damaging other people for laughs."
2012-12-09 09:41:41 PM
2 votes:
Leary's Two Commandments:

Thou shalt not alter the consciousness of thy neighbor without his or her consent.

Thou shalt not prevent thy neighbor from altering his or her own consciousness.
2012-12-09 09:08:09 PM
2 votes:

theteacher: You JUST GOT legalized weed. Don't go farking it up for everyone, jerkwads.


Somewhere in Colorado there's a staff DA who's done nothing but plead out nickel-and-dime possession charges for the last ten years. He's been wondering what he's going to do with all this extra time in his day. Guess what just became his full-time job?

That said, as a college professor, I would never, ever, ever eat any food prepared for me by a student. Ever. Are you kidding me?

/it'd have urine in it
//if I was lucky
2012-12-09 09:07:46 PM
2 votes:

sycraft: I can see people being really worried and scared. After all, think about how you feel when you are pretty stoned or drunk. Think about some of the symptoms, like dizziness, lack of coordination, trouble concentrating, changes in temperature perception and so on. Everything is, well, different. Now when you get high/drunk you know what you are doing and why it happens so no big deal. But if that started happening to you all of a sudden, for no apparent reason? You might well freak out because you have no idea what is going wrong and there are some serious medical problems that can present similar symptoms.

Also, not everyone has something to compare it to. Not everyone gets high. So it isn't like everyone could even say "Oh this feel like when I'm high, that is probably what happened," never mind that suppressing higher reasoning is one of the effects.

So I can understand why they are in so much trouble.


This is what the big deal is. And why it's not funny. If you have no idea what's happening to you, you're going to be terrified, and that mental state is going to guarantee a bad trip. All those 70's and 80's comedies of people accidentally becoming stoned and wandering around in a beatific haze (which is what probably led to these idiots thinking "hey, this will be funny") are not real. If I was to get one of those brownies, my first thought would be to think I was having a psychotic break--since I'm bipolar, and I've had those before. Thinking you're losing your mind isn't really a happy-making experience.

Then there's the fact that you don't really know where your victims will be when the high hits. Driving along a busy highway? Taking care of their kids? Ha-ha, that will be really funny when they're taking an important final in a few hours and can't even remember how to spell their name! Or, you know, not.
2012-12-09 09:00:19 PM
2 votes:
Not in any way excusing the students who brought the brownies...but considering that many people live in filth and that you can never tell what "secret" ingredient that may have been used in making them that you could be exposed to...why would you ever eat something given to you by some random classmate or anyone else outside your immediate circle of friends and family? I used to do it, but one year I attended a potluck with some coworkers, and then drove one of said coworkers home because her car was in the shop...I was shocked to find out that her house was filthy, because she was a well dressed lady who made the kind of money that would pay for a housekeeper. I spent the whole evening wondering if I was about to come down with something from eating what was prepared in her home. It it made me realize that you can never tell simply based on how someone acts at work or school what their home may be like. I will never eat anything that was not either prepared myself, or prepared at a commercial establishment. Home cooked treats and dishes are off limits.
2012-12-09 08:51:43 PM
2 votes:
It was funny on Barney Miller.

It really isn't when it happens to you. Informed consent is always the best choice.
2012-12-09 08:51:12 PM
2 votes:
FTA:"Anybody who thinks this is cute, anybody who thinks this was funny, is going to face pretty serious sanctions, both criminally and potently within the student conduct process," said CU spokesman Bronson Hilliard.

Whoa... whoa... I understand going after the pricks who gave out laced brownies to people without telling them and for making them too strong, but I don't think your "you thought it was funny or cute" is going to hold up in the legal system as a valid reason for charging someone with a crime. I get it... you're mad, however, that is no reason to make wild ass claims like that. ;)
2012-12-09 08:47:14 PM
2 votes:
"Amusing"? Not "Stupid" or "Dumbass"?
2012-12-09 08:47:00 PM
2 votes:
But I have been assured by Fark that pot is completely harmless and just legalize it already!
2012-12-09 08:46:59 PM
2 votes:
Dick move by the students.

/I am curious to see what happens next though.
//I give it 3 days or less before the 'Its because pot is legal!' shiat starts.
2012-12-09 08:45:19 PM
2 votes:

Bob Falfa: Enjoy explaining your expulsion

sentence to your parents cellmates , asshats.

For you, it is fixed. 

/Even when pot is universally legal, that shiat ain't gonna fly
2012-12-09 08:04:43 PM
2 votes:

Amos Quito: "The Boulder County district attorney will review the case, at which time Cunningham and Essa may each face more than 10 felonies, Huff said."


Seems a bit harsh.

Then again, it is NEVER cool to offer any intoxicant to unwitting / unwilling participants.


/Except Rohypnol, of course


Not really. I'm allergic to THC (I probably would have been hospitalized along with the professor). You shouldn't be drugging people without their knowledge, period. I think it rises to felony level.
2012-12-11 07:43:42 AM
1 votes:

ScreamingHangover: I realize you're not an idiot: you're just really trolling


He's obviously trolling, yes... But, that doesn't mean he's not also an idiot... In fact, I would submit that all trolls are inherently idiots, because it's such an idiotic thing to waste your time doing...

But, yes, his schtick lately seems to be pretending to be an ultra-lefty in order to try making them and liberal views in general look ridiculous by association... In addition to this stupid "pot is safer than water!" thread, he's also trolling the sexist hallmark card thread, pretending to be some ultra-feminist, despite the fact that other posters have already outed him for posting his own sexist remarks in various other threads... Yet, people still keep biting...
2012-12-11 02:02:12 AM
1 votes:

whidbey: ScreamingHangover: personal attacks

That's nice dear.


You know, I was going to come back with another snarky comment about how much of a narcissitic idiot you were. But I stepped back, went, played some backgammon, came back, thought about it, reflected on it... played some more.... the wife came around and showed me pictures from her students... and I wondered if you were really that dumb, or just trolling. Now, I like a good argument. I admit arguing just for arguing sake: point, counterpoint, etc... However, that's not what you've been doing.

Reflecting back on your comments to myself and others, I realize you're not an idiot: you're just really trolling for some kind of emotional response from other human beings. And for some reason, I really can't get mad at you for it. If you're so starved for human emotion, you feel the need to act like a dumbass just to have others hurl abuse at you I just can't get mad at you.

I wish you well, and I hope some day you find the intimacy and emotion you find lacking in your life.
2012-12-11 12:50:57 AM
1 votes:

whidbey: ScreamingHangover: whidbey: Prove to me that a one-time ingesting pot brownies causes long-term damage. Keep in mind that you already failed to prove earlier contentions like allergies to THC.

allergies: 1, 2, 3.

LOL go away, troll. None of your links have anything to do with an allergic reaction to THC, and most importantly they do not have ANY references to eating it. Yes, all 3 links. Bored, much?

And a nice abstract that explains why you are the way you are.

I'm going to go with "Project much?"
Better luck next time.


I knew you were a shiat beforehand, but you've just decided to ignore 2 studies published in the International Archives of Allergy and Immunology, and a study published by the National Institute of Health.

There's sticking your head in the sand.
And then there's sticking your head up your ass.
And then there's sticking your head so far up your ass, it loops around back in on itself and your pate starts tickling your uvula.

Seriously, you shove it up there much further, you're going to collapse inward upon yourself, creating an in.
2012-12-10 07:37:48 PM
1 votes:

whidbey: Prove to me that a one-time ingesting pot brownies causes long-term damage. Keep in mind that you already failed to prove earlier contentions like allergies to THC.


allergies: 1, 2, 3.


And a nice abstract that explains why you are the way you are.
2012-12-10 04:49:43 PM
1 votes:

whidbey: ScreamingHangover: whidbey: ScreamingHangover: personal attacks

Well isn't that special.

Still waiting on the studies.

Again, you are the one who believes there are adverse effects. It is your job to prove your contention, and in the context of this article.

I am challenging that assertion. I don't have to provide anything. In good faith, I Googled, and found nothing.

In other words, the same thing you would find. Now this is ridiculous. Stop attacking me, and act like an adult.


You're the one claiming that feeding a group of people a mind altering drug without their knowledge or consent is no big deal. I disagree: and apparently the law are on my side (as per the charges leveled). Therefore, the burden of proof is on your end. You have to prove that no short or long term harm could have possibly been committed.
2012-12-10 04:40:05 PM
1 votes:

whidbey: ScreamingHangover: personal attacks

Well isn't that special.


Still waiting on the studies.
2012-12-10 04:37:26 PM
1 votes:

whidbey: ScreamingHangover: Man you are one angry Farker. Here. Have a pot brownie. Maybe it'll settle you down.

Still waiting on the studies.

You know what? It isn't up to me to prove anything here.

You are the one who believes there are adverse effects. If anything, it's up to you to prove it.

Either do it, or put me on ignore. I'm not going to continue weaving and bobbing around your shrill irrational posting style.


Just what I said: lazy piece of shiat spewing off crap for his own hubris. The reason you're weaving and bobbing is you have no position besides the fact you like to do pot and will manufacture any argument to defend it, yet can supply no facts, no studies, no evidence to back your position. And I say this as someone who thinks it should be legalized. It's people like you who set the whole legalization movement backwards. Do the rest of us a favor and shut your pie hole: you're an embarrassment.
2012-12-10 04:19:45 PM
1 votes:

whidbey: ScreamingHangover: So I need to be a doctor to know that marijuana is a relatively harmless drug?

[Citation Needed]

A simple Googling shows no major adverse effects. I honestly don't know why you're so hellbent to equate pot to dosing someone with crystal meth, but throughout this whole exchange you've presented yourself quite irrationally, and you are not bringing anything worthy to this discussion.


Ok: that's it.

You've been going up and down this thread for over a day, playing resident expert on marijuana, it's short term effects, long term effects, allergies, and possible reactions as well as what the law and liability should be. You have asked anyone who disagrees with you for extensive sourcing, and when provide, you exhibit an level of selective reading comprehension that boggles the mind. Yet you still keep spewing an opinion based on nothing but your own personal hubris.

You're lazy and you're blowing smoke out your butt. So I'm calling you here and now to shiat or get off the pot: what are your qualifications to spout such bullshiat? And if non can be provided, please provide studies that you are familiar with that validate your position. Unlike you, I find PDFs perfectly acceptable. However, I have one caveat: provide studies that you have previously examined: do not just link to the first thing found in a google search.
2012-12-10 03:55:37 PM
1 votes:

whidbey: ScreamingHangover: whidbey: the ha ha guy: whidbey: I have a huge problem with the concept of "future damages," too.

So if someone attacks you and leaves you unable to walk, they should only be liable for the medical bills, but not your inability to work?

I was talking about this instance.
Pretty sure your example doesn't involve dosing people with pot brownies.

So where did you get your medical degree?

So I need to be a doctor to know that marijuana is a relatively harmless drug?


[Citation Needed]
2012-12-10 03:21:16 PM
1 votes:

whidbey: Then obviously that law needs to be changed.


Whether or not you think the law needs to be changed, the damage was done under current law. Ergo, until the law changes, the damage has been done, and the guilty parties are liable for all damages both current an future.

Meanwhile, you still seem to think that drugging a person against their will and without there consent is a negligible offense. That' pathetic.
2012-12-10 02:42:15 PM
1 votes:

whidbey: quisph: whidbey: quisph: You replied to me, dipshiat,

You're just all about the personal attacks, aren't you?

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Um, you do know that you can get a timeout for posting like you've been doing?

Stop calling people dipshiats and focus on your arguments. I insist.


LOL! You're the one who is taking my insults out of context. They are accompanied by actual arguments, I assure you.
2012-12-10 12:32:53 PM
1 votes:

Smackledorfer: quisph: whidbey: Bathia_Mapes: And please answer me this. If you had never smoked or ingested pot before and ate one of these brownies without knowing they contained marijuana, wouldn't you freak out too? I know I would if I started having strange symptoms out of the blue and didn't know what caused them. That would be a normal reaction for most people.

I might, but i don't think it would be worth charging someone with ten different felonies. That's absurd for an experience that caused a bit of dizziness. It wasn't meth or heroin or even a huge dose of LSD. It's Nazi bullshiat. That's the surprisingly huge disconnect I'm having with this thread.

You're dismissing a panic attack and symptoms severe enough for an ER visit as "a bit of dizziness?" You've got to be trolling.

Anyway, the harm to the victims is largely irrelevant. A crime is defined by the actions and mental state of the perpetrator, not by the consequences.

If you drive drunk, it's a crime even if you manage to avoid an accident. If you grope or sexually assault an unconscious person, it's a crime even if the victim has no direct awareness of it and suffers no physical or psychological harm. If you take a swing at someone's nose, it's a crime even if you miss. If you give food laced with drugs to unwitting people, it's a crime even if they just get a little bit dizzy (which is a gross understatement in this case).

I happen to agree that drugging people without their consent should be a felony. Obviously, there are many different situations in which someone might do this, with different levels of malicious intent The fact that this was meant as a prank, and they didn't mean to cause any real harm to anyone, WILL eventually be taken into consideration. But now is not the time. They haven't even been indicted yet. You're losing your shiat over nothing.

If you drive drunk the penalty absolutely hinges on the damage caused.

If no one gets hurt you are out the next day, winding up with fines,and co ...


We're not talking about penalties. We're talking about charges. The fact that you can't see the difference is probably 99% of the reason why you started arguing in the first place.
2012-12-10 01:34:00 AM
1 votes:

whidbey: ScreamingHangover: whidbey: ScreamingHangover: However, these 2 ass clowns deserve the 10 felony charges

10? Really?

Really. And the civil suits from the professor and students who had to be hospitalized: Let them cough up the bills for the Emergency services, hospital resources and pain and suffering.

What "pain and suffering" actually occurred? I read an article about people getting dizzy and using the Emergency Room.

Tell me you're not trying to blow this up into something stupid.

And honestly, the most these guys should have to do is some extensive community service. Tell me you're not in favor of wasting resources just to throw the book at them. Gotta say you sound a bit Nazi.


Pain and suffering: umm... according to the article, dizziness, sickness, painic attacks. unconsciousness...

You ever seen an Emergency room bill? figure 1,000 to 3,000 per person, plus EMS services for the ambulance: all together easily over $5k in medical expenses alone.


That being said, you actually believe that if someone drugs you and/or your family, it's no big deal? Seriously?
2012-12-10 12:43:33 AM
1 votes:

Smackledorfer: Robots are Strong: Smackledorfer: Are there any other crimes at all in which the penalty for an action is based on the worst possible outcome and ignores intent? I can't think of any.

If you're pirating software/music/movies for personal use you can be punished as though you intended to profit off of it (selling the things you acquired). Does that count?

Or in the same vein, if you're busted with your drug of choice in a quantity beyond a certain threshold, you can be charged with intent to sell even if it's for personal use.

Fair enough, but the latter is because having that much shows intent.

The former is a law I, and most folks here, disagree with copywrite laws for the precise reason that the penalty is so unrelated to the crime.

For that matter most disagree with the drug example too.

I am not defending slipping drugs to people. I just look at criminal laws and see getting years for it, when things resulting in more damage and done with malice don't rise as high on the penalty scale. So I think the calls for blood here are misguided.


You seem to think that it's a foregone conclusion that these guys are going to be convicted on all 10 counts and given the maximum sentence. This will not happen. There is no point in wringing your hands about the punishment not fitting the crime until there is actually a punishment to talk about. There is almost always a huge difference between the theoretical maximum sentence that someone is facing, and the actual sentence that is handed down after plea deals, sentencing guidelines, etc.
2012-12-09 11:45:22 PM
1 votes:
Drop the hammer on them for being stupid.
2012-12-09 11:22:38 PM
1 votes:

The Whore Of Mensa: I worked for a Renaissance Faire and we (actors) were required to attend a cook-out one week, meet and greet event. We all thought it was hilarious that there were peaches served in brandy, and had several portions each. There was also a really nasty Greek dish filled with spinach that just looked off and very few people ate it.

Yeah, not all spinach. And a few actors began acting strangely, we didn't know what they had ingested, and the producers made the call to take them to the ER. Just pot, and our people were okay, but we were all pretty angry that some stranger had decided, oh, actors are all crazy people, they'll think this is awesome! NO.

Also at the party-- a nine-year-old child and a pregnant woman. The kid got dosed. Spent the night crying to his parents that he felt "weird". Not funny at all.

Want to get high? Great, good for you. Be my guest. But drugging people without their consent is a complete dick move.


Who the fark just cooks up a bunch of buds like they're collard greens?

This is why we need more pot culinary shows on TV.
2012-12-09 11:11:23 PM
1 votes:
This is why we can't have nice things. Put the blame in the proper place. It has very little to do with pot and a lot to do with human stupidity.
2012-12-09 10:54:29 PM
1 votes:

Kibbler: No you weren't. You were assured that jailing hundreds of thousands of non-violent drug offenders is stupid.

It is.


Yep. And that's not the issue.

The people who used the drugs aren't under arrest, nor should be. It's the people who drugged them without their consent that are in jail, as well they should be.

Smackledorfer: So your response to "intent and actual damage caused matters" is to present a hypothetical with terrible results that outweigh the intent? Odd.

Are there any other crimes at all in which the penalty for an action is based on the worst possible outcome and ignores intent? I can't think of any.

You say your argument is based on common sense, which is a meaningless statement, and you ignore the entirety of the rest of the criminal justice system in the process.


Yes, because that makes sense and how the law works. You can't allow people to drug others without their consent and just treat it like it was nothing.
2012-12-09 10:38:11 PM
1 votes:

Dafatone: gonegirl: They should be expelled, immediately. Regardless of whether they actually spend any time in jail, they should be required to put the following on every resume or application they submit for anything:

"I am such a stupid, arrogant piece of shiat that I think my sense of humor is more important than the health, safety, or education of anyone around me. If you hire me, be aware that I am such a selfish asshole that I enjoy damaging other people for laughs."

We don't know that they did it "for laughs." It's possible they thought this would be welcomed, or that other kids wouldn't mind getting high without their consent.


True. It's just as possible they did this with the intent to poison and harm their classmates.
2012-12-09 10:22:24 PM
1 votes:
Rocky mountain High-larity, Colorado.

These two asshats deserve expulsion but no jail time for this admittedly "pants-on-head/WTF-were-you-thinking?' stunt.

Hash brownies or pot cookies prepared by someone who knows what they are doing are awesome.

Not so cerebral it's a nice trippy body high that generally brings on a case of munchies that puts regular pot smokin' munchies to shame when ingested by people who have figured out their tolerances for this kinda stuff previously.

Done wrong and ingested by people who aren't aware what's going on brings nothing but misery all around.
2012-12-09 10:21:22 PM
1 votes:

gonegirl:
"I am such a stupid, arrogant piece of shiat that I think my sense of humor is more important than the health, safety, or education of anyone around me. If you hire me, be aware that I am such a selfish asshole that I enjoy damaging other people for laughs."


That coulda also encompass so many public officials and political leaders,
2012-12-09 09:59:41 PM
1 votes:

topcon: To make matters worse, eating pot will make you freak out way worse than smoking it.


Yeah, this too. Even when intentionally smoking it, the effect kicks in pretty fast, so you can stop smoking once you've had enough. But when you eat it, if you don't know the dose, by the time it kicks in, it's too late and you could be really messed up for hours. And that's even if you eat too much and know why you're feeling so strange.

Sure, some will argue that THC is basically non-toxic and I'm sure everybody is now medically fine, but I'm sure some of those people felt terribly ill and extremely paranoid for hours--not knowing what the fark happened to them. So just because nobody got permanently hurt doesn't make it any better.
2012-12-09 09:57:22 PM
1 votes:

gonegirl: They should be expelled, immediately. Regardless of whether they actually spend any time in jail, they should be required to put the following on every resume or application they submit for anything:

"I am such a stupid, arrogant piece of shiat that I think my sense of humor is more important than the health, safety, or education of anyone around me. If you hire me, be aware that I am such a selfish asshole that I enjoy damaging other people for laughs."


We don't know that they did it "for laughs." It's possible they thought this would be welcomed, or that other kids wouldn't mind getting high without their consent.

They're idiots, and should suffer serious legal consequences, but their thought process might not have been "haha other kids will get high and won't realize it and that's funny."
2012-12-09 09:45:12 PM
1 votes:
They should get the same punishment as the people in the CIA who dosed people with out their knowledge.
2012-12-09 09:45:01 PM
1 votes:
The only thing worse than forcing unwitting consumption of pot because it's baked into brownies is forcing unwitting consumption of organized religion because it comes with a roof, a warm blanket and a hot meal.

/yes, sir, I'll assume the position
2012-12-09 09:41:45 PM
1 votes:

theteacher: You JUST GOT legalized weed. Don't go farking it up for everyone, jerkwads.


This.
2012-12-09 09:39:53 PM
1 votes:

Happy Hours: Oh, and the hash episode of Barney Miller aired in 1976. The '70s called. They asked that you stop confusing them with the '80s.


whispers: Mooshie mooshie.
2012-12-09 09:35:31 PM
1 votes:
Yeah, you just don't give that shiat to someone who hasn't consented or even knows. That's pretty farked up, 'cause that's a totally different high.

On the other hand, if anyone wishes to feed me pot brownies, please do. Please. No, really, please?
2012-12-09 09:27:17 PM
1 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: Smackledorfer: Intent matters, and actual damage caused matters.

In that regard the punishment should fit the crime, and years in pmita prison for being stupid with pot brownies doesn't strike me as serving justice.

Any time above expulsion and a few months jailtime will be unlikely to increase the preventative aspect of the punishment, on others or on these morons. Extra time isn't likely to help rehabilitate these idiots.

So what is the point? A revenge sentence that costs society extra money and gives it nothing in return? No thanks.

If I were to give you spiked drinks with the intent that you have fun at a party and you end up getting in a fatal drunk driving accident, I'm going to go to jail. Because intent only matters to a certain extent. What also matters is what a reasonable person could expect to happen.

You drug someone against their will, you're responsible for the worst case scenarios of what can happen to them.

Putting someone in jail for years for smoking pot of their couch is retarded and yes, that is revenge sentencing. Putting someone in jail for years from drugging someone without their consent is just common sense.


So your response to "intent and actual damage caused matters" is to present a hypothetical with terrible results that outweigh the intent? Odd.

Are there any other crimes at all in which the penalty for an action is based on the worst possible outcome and ignores intent? I can't think of any.

You say your argument is based on common sense, which is a meaningless statement, and you ignore the entirety of the rest of the criminal justice system in the process.
2012-12-09 09:27:05 PM
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aninconvenienterection: fusillade762: Reminds me of the one (and only) episode of "ER" I ever watched (because it was directed by Quentin Tarantino). A bunch of kids end up in the ER after eating chocolates dosed with LSD. One of the nurses unwittingly eats one and wanders around all wide-eyed and pawing at the walls like a child. No. Just no. You'd think you were dying or had been poisoned.

Never watched that stupid show again.

You should really step back and see how foolish this post makes you look.

You claim to have never watched a particular show, save a single episode with a guest director, and yet somehow you formed the opinion that the show is stupid? Based in this, why should anyone, ever, give 2 shiats about your opinion about anything?


No one gives 2 shiats about my opinion anyway. How is this going to change anything?
2012-12-09 09:26:16 PM
1 votes:
WTF are they doing holding a class for 12 pupils? No wonder higher Ed is so farked up.
2012-12-09 09:19:32 PM
1 votes:
Even if I knew what it felt like to be under the influence of marijuana, I think I'd really freak out if I just started feeling stoned and had no clue why.

Think about it--you'd just suddenly start feeling disoriented/etc., without knowing why you were feeling that way.

I mean, if someone dosed me with LSD without my knowing it, I wouldn't be like, "oh man, this is trippy and cool." I'd probably be like "someone call 911, I think I'm dying."
2012-12-09 09:19:24 PM
1 votes:
Next on the list of 80s comedy film pranks to emulate, lets commit the crime of Rape by Deception!

www.tampabay.com
2012-12-09 09:17:59 PM
1 votes:

Smackledorfer: Intent matters, and actual damage caused matters.

In that regard the punishment should fit the crime, and years in pmita prison for being stupid with pot brownies doesn't strike me as serving justice.



Some companies, government contractors in particular, will take hair samples for drug testing, which can retain THC for 8-10 years. Depending on the chosen careers of the victims, this could seriously impact their job prospects for the next decade or so, perhaps longer if you count the damage caused by missing out on that good job straight out of college.

I'm not saying these guys should get life in prison for a prank, but I don't feel that 'time served' is sufficient for something that may continue to cause damage years in the future.
2012-12-09 09:17:00 PM
1 votes:

Dafatone: Gyrfalcon: All those 70's and 80's comedies of people accidentally becoming stoned and wandering around in a beatific haze (which is what probably led to these idiots thinking "hey, this will be funny") are not real.

Everyone who thinks this has to do with 70s or 80s comedies isn't thinking about when undergrads were born.

If you're 18, you were born in 1994 or so.


Pretty sure cable was around in '94.
2012-12-09 09:00:49 PM
1 votes:
Pot brownies existed long before Barney Miller aired. Hasn't anyone here ever heard of The Alice B. Toklas Cookbook.??
2012-12-09 09:00:42 PM
1 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: Smackledorfer: I think felony is pushing it here. People have done and will do worse things, with malice no less, and gotten much less time.

When being an idiot about drugs is multiple felonies than hopefully battery is life in prison.

Drugging someone without their consent could hurt them severely, both physically or legally. What if they tried to drive, not knowing this? Or if they never realized they had pot brownies and work in a place that they're subject to drug tests?

You want to fark up your own life, that's your own business. But if you want to end or ruin another person's life then you should do some serious time.


Intent matters, and actual damage caused matters.

In that regard the punishment should fit the crime, and years in pmita prison for being stupid with pot brownies doesn't strike me as serving justice.

Any time above expulsion and a few months jailtime will be unlikely to increase the preventative aspect of the punishment, on others or on these morons. Extra time isn't likely to help rehabilitate these idiots.

So what is the point? A revenge sentence that costs society extra money and gives it nothing in return? No thanks.
2012-12-09 08:59:58 PM
1 votes:
they could get jobs as DJs in Australia
2012-12-09 08:58:54 PM
1 votes:
Oh, and the hash episode of Barney Miller aired in 1976. The '70s called. They asked that you stop confusing them with the '80s.
2012-12-09 08:57:25 PM
1 votes:
Yeah,

Pot is WAAAAAY more powerful when ingested. It takes on much stronger hallucinagenic properties and can last for hours and hours.

So, I have been told...
2012-12-09 08:57:18 PM
1 votes:

StreetlightInTheGhetto: There's a big difference between feeling dizzy/high/whatever after you know you've taken a dose of something, and having that all of a sudden come on. I smoke pot so rarely that if I was in class and suddenly the room was spinning, um, yeah, I might go to the ER as a precaution. My first thought might not be "oh, wait, it's just pot".

I just don't get why you'd want to waste good drugs on unsuspecting people. Either they came up with that idea, baked them, and handed them out while stoned off their ass, or they have enough money/connections/a big enough habit where using that much pot for a joke was worth it. In any case, pretty effing lame.


This. Seriously expensive joke.

Such a tragic waste of weed... That's the real crime. Hang him.
2012-12-09 08:55:49 PM
1 votes:
FTA:"Anybody who thinks this is cute, anybody who thinks this was funny, is going to face pretty serious sanctions, both criminally and potently within the student conduct process," said CU spokesman Bronson Hilliard.

I see.

I think this is cute and funny.

COME AT ME, BRO!
2012-12-09 08:53:29 PM
1 votes:

lewismarktwo: Lsherm: Amos Quito: "The Boulder County district attorney will review the case, at which time Cunningham and Essa may each face more than 10 felonies, Huff said."


Seems a bit harsh.

Then again, it is NEVER cool to offer any intoxicant to unwitting / unwilling participants.


/Except Rohypnol, of course

Not really. I'm allergic to THC (I probably would have been hospitalized along with the professor). You shouldn't be drugging people without their knowledge, period. I think it rises to felony level.

LOLOLOL

But, seriously, it IS just a prank, but it's never cool to dose people without their knowledge. Ever. They deserve a moderate punishment.


Potheads usually insist that it isn't possible, but both times I tried pot I had a severe allergic reaction. The first time I was smoking it, the second time I ingested it.

I suppose I could carry out an experiment with an injection of pure THC, but what's the point? I'm also allergic to opiates, so no codeine for me at the hospital.
2012-12-09 08:52:22 PM
1 votes:

lewismarktwo:
LOLOLOL


Idiot.
2012-12-09 08:51:33 PM
1 votes:

Coyote Doyenne: Bathia_Mapes: Hmmm...maybe that would explain why I've gotten a migraine everytime I've smoked pot in the past.  Don't smoke it anymore because migraines suck, no matter the cause.

I couldn't agree with you more.

/migraines suck
//smoking pot kicks in an asthma attack


Ah, migraines. Who need hallucinogens when a nice sunny day can fill your vision with jaggedy illusions and render big chunks of your field of vision totally blind?
2012-12-09 08:26:20 PM
1 votes:

Lsherm: Amos Quito: "The Boulder County district attorney will review the case, at which time Cunningham and Essa may each face more than 10 felonies, Huff said."


Seems a bit harsh.

Then again, it is NEVER cool to offer any intoxicant to unwitting / unwilling participants.


/Except Rohypnol, of course

Not really. I'm allergic to THC (I probably would have been hospitalized along with the professor). You shouldn't be drugging people without their knowledge, period. I think it rises to felony level.



Hmmm...maybe that would explain why I've gotten a migraine everytime I've smoked pot in the past.  Don't smoke it anymore because migraines suck, no matter the cause. 
 
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