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(NECN Boston)   Really nice firearms get turned in and destroyed at gun buy-backs all the time. This one was so special that the cops refused to shred it   (necn.com) divider line 27
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2012-12-09 11:07:32 PM  
2 votes:

Fubini: tallen702: Look again bubba: Link

There's no national registry for everyday run-of-the-mill firearms (aka Non-NFA firearms) However, for weapons that fall under the national firearms act of 1968 (and the subsequent modifications/additions/etc.) such as machine guns, yes, there is one and it is called "The National Firearm Registration and Transfer Record"

I'm only calling you out on it because you called the other guy bubba:

The NFA (National Firearms Act) was enacted in 1934 and restricted the sale of fully automatic weapons through taxation and a registry. The 1968 Firearm Owners Protection Act prohibited the registration of any new fully automatic firearms for civilian use, a de facto ban on the manufacture or sale of new fully automatic weapons to the general public.

If you're going to be anal about it, you better be right.


Reread your post, 68 didn't ban manufacture. FOPA 86/Hughes banned new manufacture.

If you're going to be anal about it, you better be right.
2012-12-09 09:56:28 PM  
2 votes:

NFA: She can't legally possess that gun. Unless it's registered with that ATF in her name, it's illegal for her to possess it. The cops were right to say that it's a treasure and shouldn't be destroyed but it's an illegal gun. The penalty is 10 years in federal prison. Even if the gun was registered in her husband's for father's name, she can't possess it without having having it transfered to her name. Meanwhile it has to be in the possession of a class 3 dealer until the transfer occurs.

If the gun was never registered, it can't ever be registered.


There have been similar cases and the BATFE normally has stated that there is no fault on the part of the person who "owns" an NFA firearm without knowing that it is in violation of the NFA. They've all been cases of rare historical pieces like this. When this kind of situation arises, the ATF or CLEO may hold the firearm for the "owner" until a suitable solution may be found. Now, usually, it's a registered NFA firearm that simply made its way into a next-of-kin's hands without them realizing what it was. Sounds like this might be the case. Then the BATFE just collects their tax money and allows the owner to sell it to the appropriate purchasers. They have, in very special cases, made exceptions for museums to obtain non-registered NFA firearms in the same manner, so long as they de-mil it, essentially destroying the firearm.

Honestly, the '86 NFA provisions are a pain in the butt and haven't prevented people who want to use an automatic weapon for nefarious purposes from obtaining a weapon modified to do so illegally. Also, if you feel like getting shot at/gassed by Assad's forces, the Syrian Free Army took a warehouse FULL of StG44's and ammo a few months back. Link I'm sure they'd let you have one if you promised to shoot at the baddies.

www.armoryblog.com 
/hotter than the barrel after dumping two mags on FA
2012-12-09 09:55:25 PM  
2 votes:

NFA: She can't legally possess that gun. Unless it's registered with that ATF in her name, it's illegal for her to possess it. The cops were right to say that it's a treasure and shouldn't be destroyed but it's an illegal gun. The penalty is 10 years in federal prison. Even if the gun was registered in her husband's for father's name, she can't possess it without having having it transfered to her name. Meanwhile it has to be in the possession of a class 3 dealer until the transfer occurs.

If the gun was never registered, it can't ever be registered.


Actually, the estate can possess it for quite some time. It goes into something called a Living Trust. This can be used to sell the item(s) over a period of time or to allow the inheritor to apply for and receive proper class 3 credentials.
2012-12-09 09:51:14 PM  
2 votes:
"You could kill a solider back then, and if the captain of your fighting unit signed off on it, you could send that gun home to your family or kid brother or cousin," Cavanna said. "Anything you wanted. Her father, who was a World War II army man, had brought this gun home from the European theater."

I miss this America.
2012-12-09 09:16:10 PM  
2 votes:

vossiewulf: Sorry. Resume Godwinning.


It wasn't a Godwin anyway.

Can't be done intentionally, nor on Weeners, and requires two players.

/kids these days, no concept of history.
2012-12-09 05:54:50 PM  
2 votes:
Shoots 500 rounds per minute....

I'm assuming she has her approved Form 4 with a tax stamp.
2012-12-10 12:34:25 AM  
1 votes:
Usually, guns that were used in crimes and rusty, non firing garbage are what it turned in at these things.
2012-12-09 11:11:55 PM  
1 votes:

Fubini: tallen702: Look again bubba: Link

There's no national registry for everyday run-of-the-mill firearms (aka Non-NFA firearms) However, for weapons that fall under the national firearms act of 1968 (and the subsequent modifications/additions/etc.) such as machine guns, yes, there is one and it is called "The National Firearm Registration and Transfer Record"

I'm only calling you out on it because you called the other guy bubba:

The NFA (National Firearms Act) was enacted in 1934 and restricted the sale of fully automatic weapons through taxation and a registry. The 1968 Firearm Owners Protection Act prohibited the registration of any new fully automatic firearms for civilian use, a de facto ban on the manufacture or sale of new fully automatic weapons to the general public.

If you're going to be anal about it, you better be right.


Says the guy who just got it wrong. Firearms owners protection act is from 1986 bubba. That's the one that traded the ban on new manufacture or importation of machine guns for prohibiting a national registry for all firearms, not just NFA ones.

Link

I mean, if you're going to be anal about it, you better be right.... amiright?!?! 

/not saying I was wrong on the date (got the title of the act right) but yeah... pot kettle, kettle pot....
2012-12-09 10:48:37 PM  
1 votes:
I thought the whole point of a gun buy back program was that guns were evil, and the world was better off for every gun that was destroyed?

Better put a fork in that reasoning.
2012-12-09 10:37:14 PM  
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: No way it's worth that much, these guns aren't really that rare, just rare in the USA. Probably worth around 15k.


That may be true, but here's a finite supply of legal full autos in the US, drives up the price (a lot). Even an AK-47 (full auto), which can be had $50 in certain parts of the world canl fetch over $10,000 in the US.
2012-12-09 10:36:14 PM  
1 votes:
ecx.images-amazon.com

OH, a rare WW II machine gun issued only to the SS in excellent condition?

OK, this is great but the best I could do is $75.
2012-12-09 10:23:19 PM  
1 votes:
The reporterette is awfully cute.
2012-12-09 10:02:23 PM  
1 votes:

poe_zlaw: NFA: She can't legally possess that gun. Unless it's registered with that ATF in her name, it's illegal for her to possess it. The cops were right to say that it's a treasure and shouldn't be destroyed but it's an illegal gun. The penalty is 10 years in federal prison. Even if the gun was registered in her husband's for father's name, she can't possess it without having having it transfered to her name. Meanwhile it has to be in the possession of a class 3 dealer until the transfer occurs.

If the gun was never registered, it can't ever be registered.

Not sure if Im being trolled here. There is no ATF registry.


Look again bubba: Link

There's no national registry for everyday run-of-the-mill firearms (aka Non-NFA firearms) However, for weapons that fall under the national firearms act of 1968 (and the subsequent modifications/additions/etc.) such as machine guns, yes, there is one and it is called "The National Firearm Registration and Transfer Record"
2012-12-09 09:57:54 PM  
1 votes:

iheartscotch: An stg-44; wow wow wow wow wow; it's the holy grail of axis weapons.


I beg to differ. I'd say the FG42 is the holy grail of axis weapons....
2012-12-09 09:53:17 PM  
1 votes:
An stg-44; wow wow wow wow wow; it's the holy grail of axis weapons. One with the right mint marks can be priceless; too often the people running these "gun buy backs" destroy priceless pieces of history. I've heard of a singer sowing machine 1911 going to one of these.

Usually, one of these is run by people who want to destroy guns and is an easy way to get rid of stolen guns. I would rather they auctioned off any functioning guns and gave the money to charity or to the city over destroying something that can never be replaced.

/ half the people at these things are there with grandpa's priceless collection of guns that they don't realize are worth money and just want to get rid of. The other half want to get rid of stolen guns.
2012-12-09 09:52:51 PM  
1 votes:
Good thing somebody spotted that before it got tossed in with the rest of the trash.
2012-12-09 09:50:59 PM  
1 votes:

NFA: She can't legally possess that gun. Unless it's registered with that ATF in her name, it's illegal for her to possess it. The cops were right to say that it's a treasure and shouldn't be destroyed but it's an illegal gun. The penalty is 10 years in federal prison. Even if the gun was registered in her husband's for father's name, she can't possess it without having having it transfered to her name. Meanwhile it has to be in the possession of a class 3 dealer until the transfer occurs.

If the gun was never registered, it can't ever be registered.


There is a year cutoff (I think in the 1960's) involved here. This is grandfathered.
2012-12-09 09:49:14 PM  
1 votes:
I saw on the news a few years back where the cops took one of those old English over/unders worth somewhere around $30,000 and took the chop saw to it.

There is no way in hell they could have even tried to see if it was stolen or tried to find the owner.

People who lose $30,000 guns don't just forget about them.
2012-12-09 09:48:50 PM  
1 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: So she can only sell it to a museum?


...where I can only presume that it will be worked on by top men.
2012-12-09 09:47:59 PM  
1 votes:
"A woman turned in the gun"

No! Really? I would have never guessed it was a woman...
2012-12-09 09:47:54 PM  
1 votes:

NFA: She can't legally possess that gun. Unless it's registered with that ATF in her name, it's illegal for her to possess it. The cops were right to say that it's a treasure and shouldn't be destroyed but it's an illegal gun. The penalty is 10 years in federal prison. Even if the gun was registered in her husband's for father's name, she can't possess it without having having it transfered to her name. Meanwhile it has to be in the possession of a class 3 dealer until the transfer occurs.

If the gun was never registered, it can't ever be registered.


Not sure if Im being trolled here. There is no ATF registry.
2012-12-09 09:45:48 PM  
1 votes:
jayfan.files.wordpress.com


/can't find the end scene on the bridge
2012-12-09 08:25:50 PM  
1 votes:
cdn.most-expensive.net

Wow.

Now I'm wondering if I made the right choice when I traded in my Bugatti Type 57S Atlantic under Obama's "Cash For Clunkers" program.
2012-12-09 07:38:37 PM  
1 votes:

vossiewulf: St_Francis_P: You know who else was a fan of the MP-44?

Well he wasn't a fan before he was a fan. Which is why they called it the MaschinenPistole 44 when it was developed, because Hitler liked submachineguns and they wanted to hide that it was an assault rifle. Then he gave it a spin and ordered it into production as the Stg-44, and probably remarked to everyone around how brilliant he was for anticipating the need for this weapon.


You're making it difficult to properly Godwin this thread.
2012-12-09 07:20:24 PM  
1 votes:

St_Francis_P: You know who else was a fan of the MP-44?


Well he wasn't a fan before he was a fan. Which is why they called it the MaschinenPistole 44 when it was developed, because Hitler liked submachineguns and they wanted to hide that it was an assault rifle. Then he gave it a spin and ordered it into production as the Stg-44, and probably remarked to everyone around how brilliant he was for anticipating the need for this weapon.
2012-12-09 05:44:10 PM  
1 votes:
Damnit. Pawn Stars image fail.



BarkingUnicorn: "This is a gun that should actually be in a museum rather than in a shredder,"
Crabtree said. And that's why they will allow the owner to sell the gun.

So she can only sell it to a museum?

Did she return the money the cops gave her? If the deal's not undone, I don't see how they can "allow" her to sell it.


You should probably treat news articles as not exact accounts of what was said and what happened.
2012-12-09 05:15:41 PM  
1 votes:
A Sturmgewehr 44, cool. World's first moderate-power cartridge, gas-operated, pistol grip assault rifle, the model followed by almost all modern guns. Then there's the long story of calling it the MP-44 to hide it from Hitler who didn't think the concept would work, then him finally trying it and ordering it into production. Used a fair amount of stampings but still typically German with too much skilled machine work required, the AK design is much simpler to manufacture.

BarkingUnicorn: If the deal's not undone, I don't see how they can "allow" her to sell it.


Think you're reading more into what he said than is there. The woman clearly wants to get rid of it, so I'm sure they're putting her in contact with museums and gun dealers so she can do so at a fair price.
 
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