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2012-12-09 10:24:33 PM  

tallen702: iheartscotch: tallen702: iheartscotch: An stg-44; wow wow wow wow wow; it's the holy grail of axis weapons.

I beg to differ. I'd say the FG42 is the holy grail of axis weapons....

I don't know; the fg42 is ugly as sin; plus, it uses 8mm Mauser in a select fire application. The stg-44 uses 7.96x33 kurz.

/ Given the choice; I'd go stg-44 every time

Yes, but the FG42 is far more rare as it was only given to the fallschirmjäger and even then, in limited numbers. And rarity being what it is to collectors....


Fallshirmjäger? Gesundheit!

I know, I know; it was given to paratroops.

I'd say that rarity is a double edged sword; you can say something is worth a million dollars, but is it really worth a million dollars if there isn't a market for it? Plus, then you have to consider replacement parts and such. If something breaks; it would cost a fortune to repair.

/ I know there is a huge market for WW II stuff and an even bigger one for anything with a swastica or an nazi eagle on it.
 
2012-12-09 10:25:06 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: No way it's worth that much, these guns aren't really that rare, just rare in the USA. Probably worth around 15k.


I thought the German government and perhaps some other sympathetic countries outlawed items with the SS emblem on it so as to drive the market price up for the goods they want to unload?
 
2012-12-09 10:29:01 PM  
An STG 44 nice, if it is functional its worth every bit of that $30,000 if not more. Definitely belongs in a museum.
 
2012-12-09 10:30:05 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: "The French fight for glory, the English fight for land, and the Americans fight for souvenirs."

I like hearing the stories about how this stuff gets from the battlefield to someone's collection


Well sh*t, son; we's already GOT land and glory... I wanna git me one of them prissy officers' swords to cut my steak with!
 
2012-12-09 10:30:24 PM  

JesseL: Mr. Holmes: //Anyone who likes the Kar 98 is a glutton for punishment.

Translation: "I am a little girly man", or perhaps "I have a degenerative bone disease".

Really, of all the bolt action battle rifles of that era they're among the softer shooting.


^THIS!!! ^

If you've ever owned of fired a 12 gauge over-under; you know that most bolt action rifles ain't got a thing.

/ I regularly shoot my mosin; it has its original steel butt plate; I'd never install a padded butt plate; not even if someone paid me to.
 
2012-12-09 10:30:30 PM  
Jeebus, Stg44. That historian cop must've shiat when he saw that.
 
2012-12-09 10:33:16 PM  

Mr. Holmes: I just thought it was hilarious that the farking telecomm majors in TFA/Video kept on calling it "a weapon," or "the weapon." Kept on expecting them to call it an AK-47. Meanwhile, I looked it and thought, "Oh, cool, that one German gun from Call of Duty that doesn't suck."

//Anyone who likes the Kar 98 is a glutton for punishment.


I used to own the CoD 2 leader boards for a very long time using a kar98 or a Springfield rifle.

/grew up in Springfield, touring the old armory was one of my earliest thrills.
 
2012-12-09 10:33:36 PM  

tallen702: iheartscotch: An stg-44; wow wow wow wow wow; it's the holy grail of axis weapons.

I beg to differ. I'd say the FG42 is the holy grail of axis weapons....


What the holy grail of axis weapons might look like:

www.buckledcranium.com

/Chose poorly
 
2012-12-09 10:36:14 PM  
ecx.images-amazon.com

OH, a rare WW II machine gun issued only to the SS in excellent condition?

OK, this is great but the best I could do is $75.
 
2012-12-09 10:37:00 PM  

iheartscotch: JesseL: Mr. Holmes: //Anyone who likes the Kar 98 is a glutton for punishment.

Translation: "I am a little girly man", or perhaps "I have a degenerative bone disease".

Really, of all the bolt action battle rifles of that era they're among the softer shooting.

^THIS!!! ^

If you've ever owned of fired a 12 gauge over-under; you know that most bolt action rifles ain't got a thing.

/ I regularly shoot my mosin; it has its original steel butt plate; I'd never install a padded butt plate; not even if someone paid me to.


Yup. I can shoot my M44 all day. The only surplus rifle I have that's close to objectionable is a Steyr M95/34, and that's got very little on a 3" 12ga full of #4 Buck.
 
2012-12-09 10:37:14 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: No way it's worth that much, these guns aren't really that rare, just rare in the USA. Probably worth around 15k.


That may be true, but here's a finite supply of legal full autos in the US, drives up the price (a lot). Even an AK-47 (full auto), which can be had $50 in certain parts of the world canl fetch over $10,000 in the US.
 
2012-12-09 10:37:21 PM  

Nick Nostril: Jeebus, Stg44. That historian cop must've shiat when he saw that.



Props to that cop for recognizing it and for not just smiling and nodding - keeping it for himself.
 
2012-12-09 10:39:20 PM  

iheartscotch: JesseL: Mr. Holmes: //Anyone who likes the Kar 98 is a glutton for punishment.

Translation: "I am a little girly man", or perhaps "I have a degenerative bone disease".

Really, of all the bolt action battle rifles of that era they're among the softer shooting.

^THIS!!! ^

If you've ever owned of fired a 12 gauge over-under; you know that most bolt action rifles ain't got a thing.

/ I regularly shoot my mosin; it has its original steel butt plate; I'd never install a padded butt plate; not even if someone paid me to.


Agree. Was just at the range today with my Maverick 88 and my Steyr M95/34, The Maverick firing foster slugs was way, way, way harder than the 8x56r from the Steyr (with original steel butt plate) Anyone who can't handle the kick from a Mosin/Mauser/etc needs to go back to plinking with their mom's .22
 
2012-12-09 10:39:45 PM  
Fark this women, she doesn't deserve to sell it. Cops should have just gave it to a museum.
 
2012-12-09 10:40:42 PM  
Whoever turned that in to be destroyed should be beaten. Goddamned pussies destroying history for paranoia.
 
2012-12-09 10:44:53 PM  
Deal is she likely cannot legally sell it. If it wasn't registered before 1986 it'll have to get a special exemption from the ATF just to not be shredded, then demilled before transfer to some entity the ATF has given special dispensation to (at which point is it really worth anything?)

Its a shame, there's going to be a lot of federal involvement to keep this thing even visually intact, no way will it be allowed to remain functional.
 
2012-12-09 10:46:20 PM  

tallen702: Agree. Was just at the range today with my Maverick 88 and my Steyr M95/34, The Maverick firing foster slugs was way, way, way harder than the 8x56r from the Steyr (with original steel butt plate) Anyone who can't handle the kick from a Mosin/Mauser/etc needs to go back to plinking with their mom's .22


Mind if I ask where you're getting 8x56R these days? I have only a tiny bit of Bulgarian left and don't see many options for replenishing my stock.

/getting more than my 3 carefully hoarded en bloc clips would be good too
 
2012-12-09 10:46:59 PM  
What I wouldn't give to get hands on a PPK manufactured in Nazi Germany. Or at least an MP-40.

/Saving up for a Colt Python.
//Just bought an H&K USP Compact.
 
2012-12-09 10:48:37 PM  
I thought the whole point of a gun buy back program was that guns were evil, and the world was better off for every gun that was destroyed?

Better put a fork in that reasoning.
 
2012-12-09 10:49:12 PM  
There's been similar happenings in the past and they still destroyed them because that was the rules of the gun buy back. Even in cases when it was something that the police could use themselves.
 
2012-12-09 10:50:39 PM  

JesseL: tallen702: Agree. Was just at the range today with my Maverick 88 and my Steyr M95/34, The Maverick firing foster slugs was way, way, way harder than the 8x56r from the Steyr (with original steel butt plate) Anyone who can't handle the kick from a Mosin/Mauser/etc needs to go back to plinking with their mom's .22

Mind if I ask where you're getting 8x56R these days? I have only a tiny bit of Bulgarian left and don't see many options for replenishing my stock.

/getting more than my 3 carefully hoarded en bloc clips would be good too


I just bought 2 20rnd packs of new manufacture boxer primed Prvi Partisan from AIM surplus for $19/ea. For enblocs, Old Western Scrounger LLC out of Martinsburg, WV has the 8x50r enblocs which work with the 8x56r ammo for $5/ea IN STOCK! He'll sell you up to 6 at a time. Hornaday of Hungary is also making new manu 8x56r, but it's around $30/20. They use the crap out of it over there for hunting apparently.
 
2012-12-09 10:50:57 PM  

Taylor Mental: Finders keepers. The old bag should've paid up her cable bill to watch Pawn Stars so she'd know better.


They wouldn't have bothered to get it appraised since they cannot buy guns made after 1898.
 
2012-12-09 10:55:26 PM  
When I played Day of Defeat on a team in a league, that was the gun for the class I played on the Axis side. Pew Pew killin' 'mericans. I also enjoyed the stick grenades.

Whiskey
Tango
Foxtrot
 
2012-12-09 10:57:18 PM  
""This is a gun that should actually be in a museum"

Came for the Indy reference...saw this:

www.buckledcranium.com

Chose poorly indeed! The correct Indy reference for this thread is:


media.giantbomb.com

because, well...

itbelongsinamuseum.co.uk
 
2012-12-09 10:58:52 PM  
Gun buy backs are a waste of time, taxpayer dollars and collectable firearms. At least these cops were surprisingly cool about the whole thing.
 
2012-12-09 10:59:12 PM  

JesseL: tallen702: Agree. Was just at the range today with my Maverick 88 and my Steyr M95/34, The Maverick firing foster slugs was way, way, way harder than the 8x56r from the Steyr (with original steel butt plate) Anyone who can't handle the kick from a Mosin/Mauser/etc needs to go back to plinking with their mom's .22

Mind if I ask where you're getting 8x56R these days? I have only a tiny bit of Bulgarian left and don't see many options for replenishing my stock.

/getting more than my 3 carefully hoarded en bloc clips would be good too


I find a lot of obscure or hard to find stuff at www.ammotogo.com. They have just about everything you could imagine. Right now; you can order 8x56r for $1.10/round. I usually order through a gun store, as I am not always home.

/ from time to time I even see 6.5 arisaka; who knows where they get that
 
2012-12-09 11:03:27 PM  

tallen702: Look again bubba: Link

There's no national registry for everyday run-of-the-mill firearms (aka Non-NFA firearms) However, for weapons that fall under the national firearms act of 1968 (and the subsequent modifications/additions/etc.) such as machine guns, yes, there is one and it is called "The National Firearm Registration and Transfer Record"


I'm only calling you out on it because you called the other guy bubba:

The NFA (National Firearms Act) was enacted in 1934 and restricted the sale of fully automatic weapons through taxation and a registry. The 1968 Firearm Owners Protection Act prohibited the registration of any new fully automatic firearms for civilian use, a de facto ban on the manufacture or sale of new fully automatic weapons to the general public.

If you're going to be anal about it, you better be right.
 
2012-12-09 11:06:58 PM  
Issued to the SS? What a fail historian. STG-44 was issued to Heer and waffen-ss alike. I hope that lady gets paid.
 
2012-12-09 11:07:32 PM  

Fubini: tallen702: Look again bubba: Link

There's no national registry for everyday run-of-the-mill firearms (aka Non-NFA firearms) However, for weapons that fall under the national firearms act of 1968 (and the subsequent modifications/additions/etc.) such as machine guns, yes, there is one and it is called "The National Firearm Registration and Transfer Record"

I'm only calling you out on it because you called the other guy bubba:

The NFA (National Firearms Act) was enacted in 1934 and restricted the sale of fully automatic weapons through taxation and a registry. The 1968 Firearm Owners Protection Act prohibited the registration of any new fully automatic firearms for civilian use, a de facto ban on the manufacture or sale of new fully automatic weapons to the general public.

If you're going to be anal about it, you better be right.


Reread your post, 68 didn't ban manufacture. FOPA 86/Hughes banned new manufacture.

If you're going to be anal about it, you better be right.
 
2012-12-09 11:11:55 PM  

Fubini: tallen702: Look again bubba: Link

There's no national registry for everyday run-of-the-mill firearms (aka Non-NFA firearms) However, for weapons that fall under the national firearms act of 1968 (and the subsequent modifications/additions/etc.) such as machine guns, yes, there is one and it is called "The National Firearm Registration and Transfer Record"

I'm only calling you out on it because you called the other guy bubba:

The NFA (National Firearms Act) was enacted in 1934 and restricted the sale of fully automatic weapons through taxation and a registry. The 1968 Firearm Owners Protection Act prohibited the registration of any new fully automatic firearms for civilian use, a de facto ban on the manufacture or sale of new fully automatic weapons to the general public.

If you're going to be anal about it, you better be right.


Says the guy who just got it wrong. Firearms owners protection act is from 1986 bubba. That's the one that traded the ban on new manufacture or importation of machine guns for prohibiting a national registry for all firearms, not just NFA ones.

Link

I mean, if you're going to be anal about it, you better be right.... amiright?!?! 

/not saying I was wrong on the date (got the title of the act right) but yeah... pot kettle, kettle pot....
 
2012-12-09 11:17:35 PM  

NewportBarGuy: vossiewulf: fair price.

The best I can do is $100.

/I've wanted one of those ever since I found out they existed.


SuperNinjaToad: [ecx.images-amazon.com image 500x375]

OH, a rare WW II machine gun issued only to the SS in excellent condition?

OK, this is great but the best I could do is $75.

 
2012-12-09 11:17:50 PM  
Wonder how many peaces of history have been lost, because cops didn't know what they had.
 
2012-12-09 11:30:45 PM  

stuffy: Wonder how many peaces of history have been lost, because cops didn't know what they had.


Wonder how many lives give a crap.
 
2012-12-09 11:32:40 PM  

tallen702: iheartscotch: JesseL: Mr. Holmes: //Anyone who likes the Kar 98 is a glutton for punishment.

Translation: "I am a little girly man", or perhaps "I have a degenerative bone disease".

Really, of all the bolt action battle rifles of that era they're among the softer shooting.

^THIS!!! ^

If you've ever owned of fired a 12 gauge over-under; you know that most bolt action rifles ain't got a thing.

/ I regularly shoot my mosin; it has its original steel butt plate; I'd never install a padded butt plate; not even if someone paid me to.

Agree. Was just at the range today with my Maverick 88 and my Steyr M95/34, The Maverick firing foster slugs was way, way, way harder than the 8x56r from the Steyr (with original steel butt plate) Anyone who can't handle the kick from a Mosin/Mauser/etc needs to go back to plinking with their mom's .22


THIS.

Hell, my wife's favorite gun of mine to shoot is the battered old Enfield MkIV.

/wish .303 British was easier to find
//should just bite the bullet and get the reloading dies for that since I already do .30-06.
 
2012-12-09 11:33:58 PM  
"You could kill a solider back then, and if the captain of your fighting unit signed off on it, you could send that gun home to your family or kid brother or cousin,"

You can't still do that? That's lame.
 
2012-12-09 11:35:53 PM  
Would they honor her wishes if she claims that she knows the value of the weapon but thinks that as a weapon it should be destroyed.
 
2012-12-09 11:50:22 PM  

serial_crusher: "You could kill a solider back then, and if the captain of your fighting unit signed off on it, you could send that gun home to your family or kid brother or cousin,"

You can't still do that? That's lame.


In principle it make sense. But in practice it leads to a few guys shipping thousands of weapons all acquired "legally" for "historical" purposes.
 
2012-12-09 11:58:01 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Shoots 500 rounds per minute....

I'm assuming she has her approved Form 4 with a tax stamp.


Would this particular firearm not be grandfathered in, and not need a tax stamp?
 
2012-12-10 12:04:58 AM  

NFA: She can't legally possess that gun. Unless it's registered with that ATF in her name, it's illegal for her to possess it. The cops were right to say that it's a treasure and shouldn't be destroyed but it's an illegal gun. The penalty is 10 years in federal prison. Even if the gun was registered in her husband's for father's name, she can't possess it without having having it transfered to her name. Meanwhile it has to be in the possession of a class 3 dealer until the transfer occurs.

If the gun was never registered, it can't ever be registered.


Hey dude. Calm down.
 
2012-12-10 12:09:16 AM  

vossiewulf: A Sturmgewehr 44, cool. World's first moderate-power cartridge, gas-operated, pistol grip assault rifle, the model followed by almost all modern guns. Then there's the long story of calling it the MP-44 to hide it from Hitler who didn't think the concept would work, then him finally trying it and ordering it into production. Used a fair amount of stampings but still typically German with too much skilled machine work required, the AK design is much simpler to manufacture.

BarkingUnicorn: If the deal's not undone, I don't see how they can "allow" her to sell it.

Think you're reading more into what he said than is there. The woman clearly wants to get rid of it, so I'm sure they're putting her in contact with museums and gun dealers so she can do so at a fair price.


I'm reading too much into TFA?
 
2012-12-10 12:10:19 AM  

Relatively Obscure: Damnit. Pawn Stars image fail.



BarkingUnicorn: "This is a gun that should actually be in a museum rather than in a shredder,"
Crabtree said. And that's why they will allow the owner to sell the gun.

So she can only sell it to a museum?

Did she return the money the cops gave her? If the deal's not undone, I don't see how they can "allow" her to sell it.

You should probably treat news articles as not exact accounts of what was said and what happened.


No, one should read them and ask questions.
 
2012-12-10 12:34:25 AM  
Usually, guns that were used in crimes and rusty, non firing garbage are what it turned in at these things.
 
2012-12-10 01:15:02 AM  

macdaddy357: Usually, guns that were used in crimes and rusty, non firing garbage are what it turned in at these things.


Yes a central Illinois gun club and local NRA branch did this at a Chicago buy back. Used the money from the donated POS guns to buy new guns and to fund a youth gun safety retreat. Was on fark, but I heard about it locally first.
 
2012-12-10 01:21:45 AM  
Those guns are worth a lot? Really? Huh. Oops. "Dear Gramma, you know when you told us to clean out the attic after your dad died? Well, you're never going to believe this..."
 
2012-12-10 01:32:34 AM  

i.r.id10t: Hopefully it was properly taxed.... if it was, it would be worth 30-50k. Otherwise, it is an untaxed and therefore untransferrable and illegal as all heck to possess, so gotta give to ATF or a museum that has permission from ATF to have it.

Strangely enough in Miller v US regarding the NFA of '34 which was a deciding case on banning/taxing certain kinds of guns the SCOTUS ruled the 2nd only protects military type arms, and the un-registered (and therefore untaxed) sawed off shotgun and machine gun that Miller was busted with were not the type of arms being fielded by militaries...


I'm gonna have to double check, but I'm pretty sure that SBS were in use by the military in WWI for trench warfare. I know the cavalry units in the civil war used them. I understood that to be one of the bigger sticking points of Miller v US, well aside from Miller being dead and his legal team not actually being at the trial.
 
2012-12-10 01:35:04 AM  

UseLessHuman: When I played Day of Defeat on a team in a league, that was the gun for the class I played on the Axis side. Pew Pew killin' 'mericans. I also enjoyed the stick grenades.

Whiskey
Tango
Foxtrot


Loved that game. Kalt and Caen were two of my favorites.

/Use the Piat!!
 
2012-12-10 01:38:00 AM  
I really wish that when Police Departments did this that they would allow collectors and dealers to come in an look over the guns and possibly even purchase some. I am sure that a fair number of rare (though still less rare than an Stg-44) firearms get shredded/melted/whatever during these buy-back programs. And that is a shame.
 
2012-12-10 01:39:26 AM  

MatrixOutsider: Taylor Mental: Finders keepers. The old bag should've paid up her cable bill to watch Pawn Stars so she'd know better.

They wouldn't have bothered to get it appraised since they cannot buy guns made after 1898.


Rick doesn't buy Nazi stuff anyway.
 
2012-12-10 01:51:58 AM  

trappedspirit: stuffy: Wonder how many peaces of history have been lost, because cops didn't know what they had.

Wonder how many lives give a crap.


Any stories on lives that have been lost to old firearms like this in crime reports? Or are you just shiatting and pissing your pants?
 
2012-12-10 02:28:16 AM  
Take that sh*t back, girl. Keep it; machine guns are the gift that keeps on givin'.
Girl what will you do with the
big, big, big money? Have you not
everything you need? If you need a
motor car, you pluck it from the
trees. If you need pretty polly, you
take it.
 
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