Jay CiR: Heh,I started teaching myself PHP and ASP just because I had some web-based ideas, and I wanted to figure out how to make them happen. Since then, I've been working at coding more efficiently, whenever I can. It's been a great learning experience, but, having started in, and working only within, a web browser-only medium (I already had several years of HTML under my belt when I started with PHP and ASP), and speaking to other developer friends about some of the work they do (Ruby on Rails, for one, comes up a lot), I feel like I'm missing out on something (actually, a lot more than just "something").Any recommendations for a curious beginner like myself, looking to break out of web-oriented programming?
Happy Hours: No - copy/paste is not a programming method.I've been saying this for farking years.If you find yourself doing a lot of copying and pasting maybe you just call a function.
doglover: What I haven't had since 1998 is a code environment.
redmid17: what if I'm copying and pasting my function?
un4gvn666: I'm on my last 2 weeks of Intro to Java for my pre-reqs, before I move into my first year of CS. I finished Intro to C++ last semester. Needless to say, the comments have definitely been eye-opening. Thanks, guys.
vossiewulf: mcmnky: *facepalm*Logic is Math. Rantity rant rant...I didn't say NO math, I said no math greater than third grade. Or maybe fifth grade. I know a zillion very logical thinkers who manage to do so without the use of differential equations, I guess you are unlucky. And you don't need trigonometry to profile code and based on experience, knowledge of what it's doing, and what it's supposed to do, know whether it's fast enough or as fast as it could be, and then drill down on the slow functions and improve them.Dunno guy, I manage a large group working on code that generates revenue with numbers starting with a b, everyone is quite pleased with the quality and efficiency, and none of my guys needs to take a cosine of anything. The BI guys, that's a different story.If you're working on code that's supposed to analyze complex data, involves physics, or any other number of math-intensive applications, yes you need good math guys. But as I said originally, there are large sectors of the coding world where that isn't the case.
DeaH: As a person who writes those requirements...
rosebud_the_sled: //SQL is not programming
meyerkev: GIANT WALL OF TEXT WARNING.(Keep in mind that I'm a college senior with a couple internships, so 1)the older guys might have better advice, and 2)this all comes with a big "In my limited experience" caveat)
vossiewulf: I didn't say NO math, I said no math greater than third grade. Or maybe fifth grade.
midigod: FTA: "So in most cases you can see that the hard maths (the physical and geometry) is either done by a computer or has been done by someone else. "Wow, what great career advice. "Don't worry, someone else will do the hard part." Holy crap.
LazarusLong42: Came here to say something like this. Taking other people's functions doesn't teach you a goddamned thing.
doglover: I would like to learn how to code.What I haven't had since 1998 is a code environment. I don't know how to compile and then debug without a program to do so. I also drag and drop elements like in C#.
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