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(Ferndale 115)   Someone forgot to tell the Detroit Police Department that they won't be able to conduct illegal raids and car impoundings anymore if they do it to visitors from the suburbs. Tag is for the ACLU   (ferndale115.com) divider line 150
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2012-12-09 04:40:36 PM

LemSkroob: FunkOut: AcneVulgaris: edmo: And people claim unions ruined Detroit...

It's as if the police don't have a union that protects them when they farkup.

I wish those construction unions would stop protecting their members after they go around killing people with jackhammers and harassing the public with framing hammers.

you mean like the union workers in NYC (and many others) who take 'liquid lunches' before heading back on to multi-ton machinery? Yeah, they never get protected by the unions.


Sorry, I don't know much about your barbaric country. I'm in Canada.
 
2012-12-09 04:41:37 PM
Cops need to stop with the Oakleys and go back to aviators. Specifically the old-style Navy aviators.
 
2012-12-09 04:42:58 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Sorry for the EyeBleach:



This is Lt Vicki Yost who was the senior officer responsible for the raid.

She previously pled the 5th regarding a wrongful death where another cop shot someone. The police department lost that case and 6 million dollars. She attempted to cover it up. The police should have settled instead of her weak attempts at defense. Furthermore, to plead the fifth in court iIn other words she should not be a cop in any jurisdiction. 

Looks like she got a promotion:

She is now inspector.


Go-Go-Gadget Internal Affairs Coverup!
 
2012-12-09 04:44:32 PM

FunkOut: Sorry, I don't know much about your barbaric country. I'm in Canada.


Is that where the cheese eating surrender monkeys live?
 
2012-12-09 04:50:13 PM

cmb53208: Mrtraveler01: meanmutton: filter: What do the suburbs have to do with anything?

Did a quick check and noticed you were from Europe so here's a little bit about America for you:

Detroit is without a doubt the most racially polarized major city in the US. The city of Detroit is over 80% black with a median household income of $25,000 a year. The suburbs tend to be overwhelmingly white with a few exceptions (notably Southfield at 70% black and Inkster at 73% black) and very affluent (particularly Oakland County, 75% white and median household income of $75,000 a year and the Grosse Pointe cities which are all around 80% white with median household incomes of around $90,000 a year). The northern boundary of Detroit, 8 Mile Road, is a very clear dividing line between wealthy suburbs and the poor city.

There's a long history in Detroit of all sorts of problems, racial and otherwise. Coleman Young was mayor for 20 years and made a career of anti-white racial animosity. The city council today still has distrust of white suburbanites permeating attempts at deals within the city. White suburbanites frequently irrationally fear going into Detroit, even the revitalized downtown area, because of race-based fears.

Detroit also has a longstanding problem between an over-aggressive and under-funded police department (which has a predominately black leadership but a predominately white rank-and-file). They've had supervision both by the State Police and FBI in recent years for civil rights and other abuses. The people of Detroit, being largely poorly educated, poorly connected, and financially poor generally aren't able to avail themselves of legal assistance. The suburbanites, though, tend to be well educated, well connected, and financially well off.

The sad thing is that you can switch out Detroit with St. Louis and it sounds very similar.

..

And Milwaukee. And Chicago. And a host of other Midwest cities.

As far as race goes, Metro Milwaukee still looks like So ...


Well, here's where Detroit is special:
Detroit - 83% African American, 11% non-Hispanic white
St. Louis - 50% African American, 40% non-Hispanic white
Mikwaukee - 40% African American, 45% non-Hispanic white
Chicago - 33% African American, 31.7% non-Hispanic white

We here in Detroit take our racial segregation seriously.
 
2012-12-09 04:52:27 PM
It's not justice unless there's jailtime for all the LEO involved, including those who set the policy.
 
2012-12-09 04:52:48 PM

leevis: Lionel Mandrake: And this is why I've been a card-carrying member for 14 years.

Suck it, haters.

Does that card somehow entitle you to special treatment or something?


Nope. It just helps keep everyone's rights protected.

Even idiots on the internet.
 
2012-12-09 04:53:10 PM

Mrtraveler01: MN always seemed like a reasonable state to me.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-09 04:53:18 PM
So... what happened to the constitution violating officers? I know the police must have records of what officers were on scene. So were they fired? If not, why not? Was their CO fired? If not, why not?
 
2012-12-09 04:54:38 PM

Lionel Mandrake: leevis: Lionel Mandrake: And this is why I've been a card-carrying member for 14 years.

Suck it, haters.

Does that card somehow entitle you to special treatment or something?

Nope. It just helps keep everyone's rights protected.

Even idiots on the internet.


Which is how you got the card?
 
2012-12-09 04:56:04 PM

jaytkay: Mrtraveler01: MN always seemed like a reasonable state to me.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x275]


Let me rephrase that, outside the suburbs of the Twin Cities, it seems reasonable...at least compared to MO.
 
2012-12-09 04:58:20 PM

Marcus Aurelius: "To serve and protect.... oh fark that, let's beat some ass!"


upload.wikimedia.org

"Sounds good to me."

/funny how no one noticed the Decepticon insignia, or the "To punish and enslave" motto
 
2012-12-09 04:58:49 PM

AcneVulgaris: FunkOut: Sorry, I don't know much about your barbaric country. I'm in Canada.

Is that where the cheese eating surrender monkeys live?


Sorry, Northern Cajuns riot and burn cop cars. They also speak a strange space language that people from France can't understand.

I'm west coast anyway. There's no French people here. Just half of Hong Kong and 30% of the province of Punjab, which means the restaurant choices are endlessly delicious.
 
2012-12-09 04:59:57 PM

AcneVulgaris: edmo: And people claim unions ruined Detroit...

It's as if the police don't have a union that protects them when they farkup.


So in the thousands of towns and cities without unionized police the cops don't protect one another that way? CITATION NEEDED.
 
2012-12-09 05:01:43 PM

Infernalist: Benjimin_Dover: Because People in power are Stupid: Sorry for the EyeBleach:



This is Lt Vicki Yost who was the senior officer responsible for the raid.

She previously pled the 5th regarding a wrongful death where another cop shot someone. The police department lost that case and 6 million dollars. She attempted to cover it up. The police should have settled instead of her weak attempts at defense. Furthermore, to plead the fifth in court iIn other words she should not be a cop in any jurisdiction. 

Looks like she got a promotion:

She is now inspector.

Black and a woman. Who else better to promote? You get dubil plus affirmative action points for the win.

That police lady is black?


gweilo8888: Benjimin_Dover: Black and a woman. Who else better to promote? You get dubil plus affirmative action points for the win.

Uh.... Hate to break it to ya, but I think Yost is the not-so-black "wo"man in the uniform.


Telling that he assumes it's the black woman, yes?
 
2012-12-09 05:02:17 PM

LL316: Lionel Mandrake: leevis: Lionel Mandrake: And this is why I've been a card-carrying member for 14 years.

Suck it, haters.

Does that card somehow entitle you to special treatment or something?

Nope. It just helps keep everyone's rights protected.

Even idiots on the internet.

Which is how you got the card?


That doesn't make any sense.

But the ACLU supports your right to say it.
 
2012-12-09 05:03:22 PM
jaytkay:
No, we wonder why "libertarians" are only worried when a Democrat is in the White House
/ Actually, we don't wonder why, it's rather obvious


The answer, of course, is "Democrats stopped being the party of liberty a very long time ago, so they ignored libertarians up until the point they shifted over to the Republicans out of sheer frustration."
 
2012-12-09 05:04:06 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Telling that he assumes it's the black woman, yes?


It's almost as if he is based in reality.
 
2012-12-09 05:05:10 PM

meanmutton: St. Louis - 50% African American, 40% non-Hispanic white


That being said, there's still a well-defined line between the white part and the black part of St. Louis.

Detroit has 8 Mile Road, St. Louis has Delmar Boulevard 

/We're still in wannabe Detroit status
 
2012-12-09 05:12:33 PM
Nice disincentive to go to Detroit...as if there isn't enough of a reason to avoid going there.
 
2012-12-09 05:13:40 PM

Lsherm: Soon after the event, the ACLU of Michigan (American Civil Liberties Union) got involved and police dropped the loitering charges against 130 people, yet they held the patrons' cars in impound, telling them it would be $900 to get them back, plus towing and storage.

Shakedown!


Don't tell this town ain't got no heart

Seriously, WTF Detroit.
 
2012-12-09 05:15:12 PM

cirby: jaytkay:
No, we wonder why "libertarians" are only worried when a Democrat is in the White House
/ Actually, we don't wonder why, it's rather obvious

The answer, of course, is "Democrats stopped being the party of liberty a very long time ago, so they ignored libertarians up until the point they shifted over to the Republicans out of sheer frustration."


Cuz supporting authoritarians is very libertarian
 
2012-12-09 05:18:09 PM

Lsherm: Soon after the event, the ACLU of Michigan (American Civil Liberties Union) got involved and police dropped the loitering charges against 130 people, yet they held the patrons' cars in impound, telling them it would be $900 to get them back, plus towing and storage.

Shakedown!


I wonder how much of a kickback went into the cops' wallets from the towing company.

Also, it's legal to "forget" where you parked your car, right? Good strategy to remember in the future.
 
2012-12-09 05:18:37 PM
Another liberal police state.


Go ahead fark moon bats, blame the "right" for fascism.
 
2012-12-09 05:21:43 PM

OnlyM3: Another liberal police state.

Go ahead fark moon bats, blame the "right" for fascism.


LEOs' lives were in danger. Therefore, nothing to see here.
 
2012-12-09 05:26:41 PM

Lionel Mandrake: And this is why I've been a card-carrying member for 14 years.

Suck it, haters.


I signed up after reading about the Star Trek fans stopped in Illinois incident and how police routinely coach false positives from contraband sniffing dogs to gain entry into vehicles under false pretense.

I am probably going to double my contribution to them this year. Cash starved police forces have really ramped up the douche-baggery recently.
 
2012-12-09 05:27:33 PM
Nice to see the cops are doing what they're best at...

I mean this is a pretty great way of pissing all over the Constitution.
 
2012-12-09 05:29:54 PM

Christian Bale: Lsherm: Soon after the event, the ACLU of Michigan (American Civil Liberties Union) got involved and police dropped the loitering charges against 130 people, yet they held the patrons' cars in impound, telling them it would be $900 to get them back, plus towing and storage.

Shakedown!

I wonder how much of a kickback went into the cops' wallets from the towing company.

Also, it's legal to "forget" where you parked your car, right? Good strategy to remember in the future.


Not really. They'll make you "remember". Just say you took the bus, and you're outta there.
 
2012-12-09 05:30:31 PM

LemSkroob: FunkOut: AcneVulgaris: edmo: And people claim unions ruined Detroit...

It's as if the police don't have a union that protects them when they farkup.

I wish those construction unions would stop protecting their members after they go around killing people with jackhammers and harassing the public with framing hammers.

you mean like the union workers in NYC (and many others) who take 'liquid lunches' before heading back on to multi-ton machinery? Yeah, they never get protected by the unions.


Construction unions don't do a lot of job protection. Contractors won't see interference in their layoff or firing decisions, with the possible exception of one guy who is designated the shop steward. If guys are showing up at work trashed and keeping their jobs, that's management not paying attention.
 
2012-12-09 05:33:24 PM

jaytkay: fknra: and people wonder why libertarians worry about a police state...

No, we wonder why "libertarians" are only worried when a Democrat is in the White House

/ Actually, we don't wonder why, it's rather obvious


You sir are what is referred to as a dumb-ass. Paint that picture with one color. See who will buy it.
 
2012-12-09 05:48:25 PM
Must have done something wrong at some point in her life. They just got around to getting her!. Should be glad she is not in jail.
 
2012-12-09 05:55:25 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Furthermore, to plead the fifth in court iIn other words she should not be a cop in any jurisdiction.


So police have no 5th amendment rights? Is that how this works?
 
2012-12-09 05:56:38 PM

FunkOut: LemSkroob: FunkOut: AcneVulgaris: edmo: And people claim unions ruined Detroit...

It's as if the police don't have a union that protects them when they farkup.

I wish those construction unions would stop protecting their members after they go around killing people with jackhammers and harassing the public with framing hammers.

you mean like the union workers in NYC (and many others) who take 'liquid lunches' before heading back on to multi-ton machinery? Yeah, they never get protected by the unions.

Sorry, I don't know much about your barbaric country. I'm in Canada.


Well, we hire barbarians, so i guess you cant expect much better.
 
2012-12-09 05:56:53 PM

Lionel Mandrake: LL316: Lionel Mandrake: leevis: Lionel Mandrake: And this is why I've been a card-carrying member for 14 years.

Suck it, haters.

Does that card somehow entitle you to special treatment or something?

Nope. It just helps keep everyone's rights protected.

Even idiots on the internet.

Which is how you got the card?

That doesn't make any sense.

But the ACLU supports your right to say it.


But it doesn't protect you from consequences, amirite?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-12-09 05:59:16 PM
Also, it's legal to "forget" where you parked your car, right? Good strategy to remember in the future.

Police had the site under surveillance and had already obtained an "anticipatory" search warrant. Anticipatory warrants say, generally, "if you see (specified suspicious activity) you can execute this warrant." Police watched through part of the night and had the opportunity to see people arrive and park. At that hour one can speculate that most patrons parked nearby and there was little other activity nearby. When alcohol kept flowing after 2 AM, legal closing time if the servers had had a liquor license, they executed the warrant.
 
2012-12-09 05:59:44 PM

jaytkay: cirby: jaytkay:
No, we wonder why "libertarians" are only worried when a Democrat is in the White House
/ Actually, we don't wonder why, it's rather obvious

The answer, of course, is "Democrats stopped being the party of liberty a very long time ago, so they ignored libertarians up until the point they shifted over to the Republicans out of sheer frustration."

Cuz supporting authoritarians is very libertarian


Are you trying to be funny? Libertarian is the polar opposite of authoritarian.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-12-09 06:04:36 PM
Bio-nic: So police have no 5th amendment rights? Is that how this works?

Nobody has a 5th amendment right to refuse to testify to avoid noncriminal sanctions, such as loss of job, traffic fines (in some jurisdictions), lawsuits, etc. When people take the 5th in front of Congress they are claiming a risk of criminal prosecution. There is no right to refuse to talk to Congress merely because testimony might be embarassing. Oliver North was forced to testify when a judge ordered that his testimony not be used against him. Monica Goodling didn't have to testify, but she did lose her job because the Justice Department found her refusal to testify suspicious.
 
2012-12-09 06:07:38 PM
I really hope Detroit does the right thing here and does not appeals and properly compensates the people's who cars they unlawfully seized.
Not just by returning the cars but financial compensation for the hardships endured due to the loss of them.
 
2012-12-09 06:08:30 PM

the_chief: jaytkay: cirby: jaytkay:
No, we wonder why "libertarians" are only worried when a Democrat is in the White House
/ Actually, we don't wonder why, it's rather obvious

The answer, of course, is "Democrats stopped being the party of liberty a very long time ago, so they ignored libertarians up until the point they shifted over to the Republicans out of sheer frustration."

Cuz supporting authoritarians is very libertarian

Are you trying to be funny? Libertarian is the polar opposite of authoritarian.


No, the funny ones are the "libertarians" who vote Republican
 
2012-12-09 06:12:56 PM

WizardofToast: fknra: and people wonder why libertarians worry about a police state...

To the average citizen, anything over the top being done on other people is justified as long as it doesn't happen to them.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

/fk 'em
//happens all the time but it's only an issue when it happens ot you?
///fk 'em twice
 
2012-12-09 06:15:14 PM

grimlock1972: I really hope Detroit does the right thing here and does not appeals and properly compensates the people's who cars they unlawfully seized.
Not just by returning the cars but financial compensation for the hardships endured due to the loss of them.


Do you also hope Santa, the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny exist?
 
2012-12-09 06:18:45 PM

meanmutton: cmb53208: Mrtraveler01: meanmutton: filter: What do the suburbs have to do with anything?

Did a quick check and noticed you were from Europe so here's a little bit about America for you:

Detroit is without a doubt the most racially polarized major city in the US. The city of Detroit is over 80% black with a median household income of $25,000 a year. The suburbs tend to be overwhelmingly white with a few exceptions (notably Southfield at 70% black and Inkster at 73% black) and very affluent (particularly Oakland County, 75% white and median household income of $75,000 a year and the Grosse Pointe cities which are all around 80% white with median household incomes of around $90,000 a year). The northern boundary of Detroit, 8 Mile Road, is a very clear dividing line between wealthy suburbs and the poor city.

There's a long history in Detroit of all sorts of problems, racial and otherwise. Coleman Young was mayor for 20 years and made a career of anti-white racial animosity. The city council today still has distrust of white suburbanites permeating attempts at deals within the city. White suburbanites frequently irrationally fear going into Detroit, even the revitalized downtown area, because of race-based fears.

Detroit also has a longstanding problem between an over-aggressive and under-funded police department (which has a predominately black leadership but a predominately white rank-and-file). They've had supervision both by the State Police and FBI in recent years for civil rights and other abuses. The people of Detroit, being largely poorly educated, poorly connected, and financially poor generally aren't able to avail themselves of legal assistance. The suburbanites, though, tend to be well educated, well connected, and financially well off.

The sad thing is that you can switch out Detroit with St. Louis and it sounds very similar.

..

And Milwaukee. And Chicago. And a host of other Midwest cities.

As far as race goes, Metro Milwaukee still loo ...


I have been in the bad parts of Milwaukee, St. Louis, and Detroit. Milwaukee put me a little on edge but I wasn't very scared. In St. Louis I felt a strong urge not to loiter in the area. In Detroit it was "GET ME OUT NOW". Milwaukee has nothing on Detroit.

/Currently live in Milwaukee
 
2012-12-09 06:27:23 PM

ZAZ: Police stole valuable jewelry from a guy they arrested. The thief was one of a few known arresting officers, but each of them denied all knowledge. There is no government liability for theft from a prisoner here. ("Detention of goods" exception.) You have to name the specific officer responsible.


And if the same police stopped a car with four black people and found a pound of pot stuffed under the seat, all four would be arrested, charged, convicted, and sentenced to jail.
 
2012-12-09 06:43:30 PM

Bio-nic: Because People in power are Stupid: Furthermore, to plead the fifth in court iIn other words she should not be a cop in any jurisdiction.

So police have no 5th amendment rights? Is that how this works?


Yes, they do -but if they use them they should forfeit their job.
 
2012-12-09 07:01:01 PM

Christian Bale: Also, it's legal to "forget" where you parked your car, right? Good strategy to remember in the future.


No, it is not legal. You can't lie to a cop. That's obstruction of justice. More importantly, though, you don't need to.

The only thing you EVER should say to a police officer without a lawyer is present is "I will not answer questions without a lawyer". Then, you say NOTHING.

You say the magic word, "Lawyer", and immediately they can't legally ask you shiat.
 
2012-12-09 07:01:47 PM
I can see Detroit from my house.
 
2012-12-09 07:10:27 PM
Detroit represent. Anyone else ever go to City Club at the shiatty Leland hotel on Bagely and Grandriver?
 
2012-12-09 07:37:59 PM

vd61: Detroit represent. Anyone else ever go to City Club at the shiatty Leland hotel on Bagely and Grandriver?


Most of my clubbing days were spent in Novi or Ann Arbor. The only place in Detroit I've really gone to for that sort of thing is St. Andrews (I saw a few great acts there, including George Clinton who still could tear that shiat up and some terrible ones including Keanu Reves' band Dog Star who play as well as he acts).
 
2012-12-09 07:56:06 PM

OnlyM3: Another liberal police state.


Go ahead fark moon bats, blame the "right" for fascism.


Fists of impotent rage. You don't know her political preference.

i.chzbgr.com
 
2012-12-09 08:18:46 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Bio-nic: Because People in power are Stupid: Furthermore, to plead the fifth in court iIn other words she should not be a cop in any jurisdiction.

So police have no 5th amendment rights? Is that how this works?

Yes, they do -but if they use them they should forfeit their job.


I'm not sure how I feel about this because on one hand cops should be above reproach, but on the other should something had happen they are entitled to the same protections we all are without fear of reprisal.
 
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