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(Ferndale 115)   Someone forgot to tell the Detroit Police Department that they won't be able to conduct illegal raids and car impoundings anymore if they do it to visitors from the suburbs. Tag is for the ACLU   (ferndale115.com) divider line 150
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2012-12-09 11:42:52 AM
Those police were helping those people. It was funk night and they heard that the roof was on fire.
 
2012-12-09 12:08:44 PM
"To serve and protect.... oh fark that, let's beat some ass!"
 
2012-12-09 12:20:42 PM
And people claim unions ruined Detroit...
 
2012-12-09 12:26:22 PM
img543.imageshack.us

"RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAID?!"
 
2012-12-09 12:32:20 PM
img.allvoices.com

Pictured: Police patrolling the American city of Detroit.
 
2012-12-09 02:01:28 PM
And this is why I've been a card-carrying member for 14 years.

Suck it, haters.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-12-09 02:02:56 PM
The judge's opinion is linked from http://www.aclumich.org/CAID.

There is some risk that it will be reversed on appeal. While patrons are not responsible for asking to see the liquor license, an appeals court could decide the totality of the circumstances raised enough suspicion to hold them responsible. Once you say they should have known the party was illegal, the vehicle forfeiture becomes legal.

The complaint alleged excessive force by arresting officers. They knew it was one of eight officers, but were "unable to identify the specific officers who allegedly engaged in excessive force." So they lost. That reminds of a case from my area. Police stole valuable jewelry from a guy they arrested. The thief was one of a few known arresting officers, but each of them denied all knowledge. There is no government liability for theft from a prisoner here. ("Detention of goods" exception.) You have to name the specific officer responsible.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-12-09 02:17:40 PM
submitter: illegal raids

The raid was authorized by a search warrant to look for evidence of violation of liquor laws. The warrant was supported by probable cause and in fact there were violations of liquor laws. When police went in they were acting legally.

What the judge found illegal was the policy of arresting everybody present at such events without reason to believe that each person arrested had committed a crime.
 
2012-12-09 02:29:06 PM
Soon after the event, the ACLU of Michigan (American Civil Liberties Union) got involved and police dropped the loitering charges against 130 people, yet they held the patrons' cars in impound, telling them it would be $900 to get them back, plus towing and storage.

Shakedown!
 
2012-12-09 02:55:38 PM

ZAZ: The judge's opinion is linked from http://www.aclumich.org/CAID.

There is some risk that it will be reversed on appeal. While patrons are not responsible for asking to see the liquor license, an appeals court could decide the totality of the circumstances raised enough suspicion to hold them responsible. Once you say they should have known the party was illegal, the vehicle forfeiture becomes legal.

The complaint alleged excessive force by arresting officers. They knew it was one of eight officers, but were "unable to identify the specific officers who allegedly engaged in excessive force." So they lost. That reminds of a case from my area. Police stole valuable jewelry from a guy they arrested. The thief was one of a few known arresting officers, but each of them denied all knowledge. There is no government liability for theft from a prisoner here. ("Detention of goods" exception.) You have to name the specific officer responsible.


All cops are criminals.
The innocent ones were guilty of conspiracy after the fact.
fark em
 
2012-12-09 03:21:18 PM
I thought Prohibition ended.
 
2012-12-09 03:21:44 PM

BronyMedic: [img.allvoices.com image 609x480]

Pictured: Police patrolling the American city of Detroit.


Wait a sec...that can't be a picture of Detroit.

That building in the background is still in tact.
 
2012-12-09 03:24:01 PM

Lionel Mandrake: And this is why I've been a card-carrying member for 14 years.

Suck it, haters.


static.guim.co.uk

Before it was cool, right?
 
2012-12-09 03:24:21 PM
Biatches, leave.
 
2012-12-09 03:24:42 PM
"In a free country, the police may not conduct commando-style raids on innocent people and seize their property without justification," said Dan Korobkin, ACLU

Yet, they can here, and regularly do. Ergo...
 
2012-12-09 03:26:50 PM

ZAZ: submitter: illegal raids

The raid was authorized by a search warrant to look for evidence of violation of liquor laws. The warrant was supported by probable cause and in fact there were violations of liquor laws. When police went in they were acting legally.

What the judge found illegal was the policy of arresting everybody present at such events without reason to believe that each person arrested had committed a crime.


Arresting and confiscating their cars. And then saying "oh, you can have your car back for 900 bucks.". It was a shakedown. Another way for corrupt Detroit to make money off its people.
 
2012-12-09 03:28:36 PM
Sorry for the EyeBleach:

blog.thedetroithub.com

This is Lt Vicki Yost who was the senior officer responsible for the raid.

She previously pled the 5th regarding a wrongful death where another cop shot someone. The police department lost that case and 6 million dollars. She attempted to cover it up. The police should have settled instead of her weak attempts at defense. Furthermore, to plead the fifth in court iIn other words she should not be a cop in any jurisdiction. 

Looks like she got a promotion:

She is now inspector.
 
2012-12-09 03:28:41 PM

Hector Remarkable: "In a free country, the police may not conduct commando-style raids on innocent people and seize their property without justification," said Dan Korobkin, ACLU

Yet, they can here, and regularly do. Ergo...


I think I see the problem.
 
2012-12-09 03:32:24 PM

Lionel Mandrake: And this is why I've been a card-carrying member for 14 years.

Suck it, haters.


Does that card somehow entitle you to special treatment or something?
 
2012-12-09 03:35:37 PM

leevis: Lionel Mandrake: And this is why I've been a card-carrying member for 14 years.

Suck it, haters.

Does that card somehow entitle you to special treatment or something?


It makes his farts smell like roses.
 
2012-12-09 03:36:24 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Looks like she got a promotion:

She is now inspector.



Blue wall always works, any cop in a large department with a good heart and any humanity is quickly passed over and eventually quits out of frustration, I have seen it happen time after time.
 
2012-12-09 03:36:55 PM
and people wonder why libertarians worry about a police state...
 
2012-12-09 03:38:36 PM
writersgallery.com

Haters gonna hate....


Seriously, though, WTF are these people thinking.... oh right, this is Detroit. Just sit in one city council meeting or hang around city hall and you'll wonder why they let the inmates run the place. Too many people in charge have a severe disconnect with reality. Bing is an improvement, but it's hard to fight decades of corruption and entitlement culture.
 
2012-12-09 03:38:51 PM

leevis: Does that card somehow entitle you to special treatment or something?


There is a lengthy legal precedent, going back to 1789, whereby a card carrying member can claim self-defense against an agent of the government, if that act is deemed a defense against tyranny, a defense of liberty.
 
2012-12-09 03:41:31 PM

leevis: Lionel Mandrake: And this is why I've been a card-carrying member for 14 years.

Suck it, haters.

Does that card somehow entitle you to special treatment or something?


It's evidence of doing a lot more for the cause of liberty than posting shiat on the Internet
 
2012-12-09 03:48:30 PM
What do the suburbs have to do with anything?
 
2012-12-09 03:49:53 PM

fknra: and people wonder why libertarians worry about a police state...


To the average citizen, anything over the top being done on other people is justified as long as it doesn't happen to them.
 
2012-12-09 03:50:16 PM

filter: What do the suburbs have to do with anything?


Comparatively wealthy white people who might actually fight back.
 
2012-12-09 03:51:18 PM

MickCollins: ZAZ: submitter: illegal raids

The raid was authorized by a search warrant to look for evidence of violation of liquor laws. The warrant was supported by probable cause and in fact there were violations of liquor laws. When police went in they were acting legally.

What the judge found illegal was the policy of arresting everybody present at such events without reason to believe that each person arrested had committed a crime.

Arresting and confiscating their cars. And then saying "oh, you can have your car back for 900 bucks.". It was a shakedown. Another way for corrupt Detroit to make money off its people.


Hey those cool toys don't pay for themselves you know.
 
2012-12-09 03:51:53 PM

fknra: and people wonder why libertarians worry about a police state...


No, we wonder why "libertarians" are only worried when a Democrat is in the White House

/ Actually, we don't wonder why, it's rather obvious
 
2012-12-09 03:58:17 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Sorry for the EyeBleach:



This is Lt Vicki Yost who was the senior officer responsible for the raid.

She previously pled the 5th regarding a wrongful death where another cop shot someone. The police department lost that case and 6 million dollars. She attempted to cover it up. The police should have settled instead of her weak attempts at defense. Furthermore, to plead the fifth in court iIn other words she should not be a cop in any jurisdiction. 

Looks like she got a promotion:

She is now inspector.


Black and a woman. Who else better to promote? You get dubil plus affirmative action points for the win.
 
2012-12-09 04:00:06 PM
Well if they want" ranson" they will never get it, because it doesn't exist.
 
2012-12-09 04:06:03 PM

Benjimin_Dover: Black and a woman. Who else better to promote? You get dubil plus affirmative action points for the win.


That white cop is black?

You'd better avoid Zebra Crossings.
 
2012-12-09 04:08:02 PM

Benjimin_Dover: Because People in power are Stupid: Sorry for the EyeBleach:



This is Lt Vicki Yost who was the senior officer responsible for the raid.

She previously pled the 5th regarding a wrongful death where another cop shot someone. The police department lost that case and 6 million dollars. She attempted to cover it up. The police should have settled instead of her weak attempts at defense. Furthermore, to plead the fifth in court iIn other words she should not be a cop in any jurisdiction. 

Looks like she got a promotion:

She is now inspector.

Black and a woman. Who else better to promote? You get dubil plus affirmative action points for the win.


If that isn't a trolling comment, it's one of the dumbest I've seen in awhile
 
2012-12-09 04:08:55 PM

Benjimin_Dover: Because People in power are Stupid: Sorry for the EyeBleach:



This is Lt Vicki Yost who was the senior officer responsible for the raid.

She previously pled the 5th regarding a wrongful death where another cop shot someone. The police department lost that case and 6 million dollars. She attempted to cover it up. The police should have settled instead of her weak attempts at defense. Furthermore, to plead the fifth in court iIn other words she should not be a cop in any jurisdiction. 

Looks like she got a promotion:

She is now inspector.

Black and a woman. Who else better to promote? You get dubil plus affirmative action points for the win.


That police lady is black?
 
2012-12-09 04:09:52 PM

Benjimin_Dover: Black and a woman. Who else better to promote? You get dubil plus affirmative action points for the win.


Uh.... Hate to break it to ya, but I think Yost is the not-so-black "wo"man in the uniform.
 
2012-12-09 04:10:49 PM

ZAZ: The judge's opinion is linked from http://www.aclumich.org/CAID.

There is some risk that it will be reversed on appeal. While patrons are not responsible for asking to see the liquor license, an appeals court could decide the totality of the circumstances raised enough suspicion to hold them responsible. Once you say they should have known the party was illegal, the vehicle forfeiture becomes legal.

The complaint alleged excessive force by arresting officers. They knew it was one of eight officers, but were "unable to identify the specific officers who allegedly engaged in excessive force." So they lost. That reminds of a case from my area. Police stole valuable jewelry from a guy they arrested. The thief was one of a few known arresting officers, but each of them denied all knowledge. There is no government liability for theft from a prisoner here. ("Detention of goods" exception.) You have to name the specific officer responsible.


So hostage taking and extortion are legal in Detroit?
 
2012-12-09 04:12:16 PM

filter: What do the suburbs have to do with anything?


Did a quick check and noticed you were from Europe so here's a little bit about America for you:

Detroit is without a doubt the most racially polarized major city in the US. The city of Detroit is over 80% black with a median household income of $25,000 a year. The suburbs tend to be overwhelmingly white with a few exceptions (notably Southfield at 70% black and Inkster at 73% black) and very affluent (particularly Oakland County, 75% white and median household income of $75,000 a year and the Grosse Pointe cities which are all around 80% white with median household incomes of around $90,000 a year). The northern boundary of Detroit, 8 Mile Road, is a very clear dividing line between wealthy suburbs and the poor city.

There's a long history in Detroit of all sorts of problems, racial and otherwise. Coleman Young was mayor for 20 years and made a career of anti-white racial animosity. The city council today still has distrust of white suburbanites permeating attempts at deals within the city. White suburbanites frequently irrationally fear going into Detroit, even the revitalized downtown area, because of race-based fears.

Detroit also has a longstanding problem between an over-aggressive and under-funded police department (which has a predominately black leadership but a predominately white rank-and-file). They've had supervision both by the State Police and FBI in recent years for civil rights and other abuses. The people of Detroit, being largely poorly educated, poorly connected, and financially poor generally aren't able to avail themselves of legal assistance. The suburbanites, though, tend to be well educated, well connected, and financially well off.
 
2012-12-09 04:14:45 PM

RedVentrue: ZAZ: The judge's opinion is linked from http://www.aclumich.org/CAID.

There is some risk that it will be reversed on appeal. While patrons are not responsible for asking to see the liquor license, an appeals court could decide the totality of the circumstances raised enough suspicion to hold them responsible. Once you say they should have known the party was illegal, the vehicle forfeiture becomes legal.

The complaint alleged excessive force by arresting officers. They knew it was one of eight officers, but were "unable to identify the specific officers who allegedly engaged in excessive force." So they lost. That reminds of a case from my area. Police stole valuable jewelry from a guy they arrested. The thief was one of a few known arresting officers, but each of them denied all knowledge. There is no government liability for theft from a prisoner here. ("Detention of goods" exception.) You have to name the specific officer responsible.

So hostage taking and extortion are legal in Detroit?


Only when the circumstances prevent the victims from positively identifying the officers.
 
2012-12-09 04:15:21 PM

meanmutton: filter: What do the suburbs have to do with anything?

Did a quick check and noticed you were from Europe so here's a little bit about America for you:

Detroit is without a doubt the most racially polarized major city in the US. The city of Detroit is over 80% black with a median household income of $25,000 a year. The suburbs tend to be overwhelmingly white with a few exceptions (notably Southfield at 70% black and Inkster at 73% black) and very affluent (particularly Oakland County, 75% white and median household income of $75,000 a year and the Grosse Pointe cities which are all around 80% white with median household incomes of around $90,000 a year). The northern boundary of Detroit, 8 Mile Road, is a very clear dividing line between wealthy suburbs and the poor city.

There's a long history in Detroit of all sorts of problems, racial and otherwise. Coleman Young was mayor for 20 years and made a career of anti-white racial animosity. The city council today still has distrust of white suburbanites permeating attempts at deals within the city. White suburbanites frequently irrationally fear going into Detroit, even the revitalized downtown area, because of race-based fears.

Detroit also has a longstanding problem between an over-aggressive and under-funded police department (which has a predominately black leadership but a predominately white rank-and-file). They've had supervision both by the State Police and FBI in recent years for civil rights and other abuses. The people of Detroit, being largely poorly educated, poorly connected, and financially poor generally aren't able to avail themselves of legal assistance. The suburbanites, though, tend to be well educated, well connected, and financially well off.


The sad thing is that you can switch out Detroit with St. Louis and it sounds very similar.

Although we never had any anti-white politicians in office in St. Louis in the same fashion that Coleman Young was. But the white flight and racial animosity is alive and well here too. Although we're in slightly better shape than Detroit.
 
2012-12-09 04:19:49 PM
www.lastexittonowhere.com

/hot
 
2012-12-09 04:20:34 PM

gweilo8888: Benjimin_Dover: Black and a woman. Who else better to promote? You get dubil plus affirmative action points for the win.

Uh.... Hate to break it to ya, but I think Yost is the not-so-black "wo"man in the uniform.


I thought that was a dude who needed a haircut.
 
2012-12-09 04:21:56 PM

edmo: And people claim unions ruined Detroit...


It's as if the police don't have a union that protects them when they farkup.
 
2012-12-09 04:22:14 PM

Ed Willy: leevis: Lionel Mandrake: And this is why I've been a card-carrying member for 14 years.

Suck it, haters.

Does that card somehow entitle you to special treatment or something?

It's evidence of doing a lot more for the cause of liberty than posting shiat on the Internet


Oh snap!
 
2012-12-09 04:24:26 PM

AcneVulgaris: edmo: And people claim unions ruined Detroit...

It's as if the police don't have a union that protects them when they farkup.


I wish those construction unions would stop protecting their members after they go around killing people with jackhammers and harassing the public with framing hammers.
 
2012-12-09 04:32:59 PM
That does it.

Even if I get invited to Detroit to pick up the Nobel Prize for Fewest Fark Greenlights, I'm not going. 

blog.thedetroithub.com

He/she is kinda hot. Probably likes to dress up to go to court.
 
2012-12-09 04:35:24 PM
Concidering the contitutional rights classes that I have to take every year as part of my job requirements, I would say that if we (me and my fellow officers) did this to those we are resposible for policing, the state of MN would tell us to take a hike and so would our union. This is exactly the kind of stuff that they use as an example of what not to do.

/ not a police officer though
//everyone is already deemed guilty
///still have to follow the same rules
 
2012-12-09 04:37:33 PM

foxtail: Concidering the contitutional rights classes that I have to take every year as part of my job requirements, I would say that if we (me and my fellow officers) did this to those we are resposible for policing, the state of MN would tell us to take a hike and so would our union. This is exactly the kind of stuff that they use as an example of what not to do.

/ not a police officer though
//everyone is already deemed guilty
///still have to follow the same rules


MN always seemed like a reasonable state to me.

I'd move there if it wasn't freezing 9 months out of the year.
 
2012-12-09 04:38:22 PM

Mrtraveler01: meanmutton: filter: What do the suburbs have to do with anything?

Did a quick check and noticed you were from Europe so here's a little bit about America for you:

Detroit is without a doubt the most racially polarized major city in the US. The city of Detroit is over 80% black with a median household income of $25,000 a year. The suburbs tend to be overwhelmingly white with a few exceptions (notably Southfield at 70% black and Inkster at 73% black) and very affluent (particularly Oakland County, 75% white and median household income of $75,000 a year and the Grosse Pointe cities which are all around 80% white with median household incomes of around $90,000 a year). The northern boundary of Detroit, 8 Mile Road, is a very clear dividing line between wealthy suburbs and the poor city.

There's a long history in Detroit of all sorts of problems, racial and otherwise. Coleman Young was mayor for 20 years and made a career of anti-white racial animosity. The city council today still has distrust of white suburbanites permeating attempts at deals within the city. White suburbanites frequently irrationally fear going into Detroit, even the revitalized downtown area, because of race-based fears.

Detroit also has a longstanding problem between an over-aggressive and under-funded police department (which has a predominately black leadership but a predominately white rank-and-file). They've had supervision both by the State Police and FBI in recent years for civil rights and other abuses. The people of Detroit, being largely poorly educated, poorly connected, and financially poor generally aren't able to avail themselves of legal assistance. The suburbanites, though, tend to be well educated, well connected, and financially well off.

The sad thing is that you can switch out Detroit with St. Louis and it sounds very similar.

..


And Milwaukee. And Chicago. And a host of other Midwest cities.

As far as race goes, Metro Milwaukee still looks like South Africa before the end of Apartheid. The racial history of the urban Midwest is ugly, very ugly.
 
2012-12-09 04:39:26 PM

FunkOut: AcneVulgaris: edmo: And people claim unions ruined Detroit...

It's as if the police don't have a union that protects them when they farkup.

I wish those construction unions would stop protecting their members after they go around killing people with jackhammers and harassing the public with framing hammers.


you mean like the union workers in NYC (and many others) who take 'liquid lunches' before heading back on to multi-ton machinery? Yeah, they never get protected by the unions.
 
2012-12-09 04:40:36 PM

LemSkroob: FunkOut: AcneVulgaris: edmo: And people claim unions ruined Detroit...

It's as if the police don't have a union that protects them when they farkup.

I wish those construction unions would stop protecting their members after they go around killing people with jackhammers and harassing the public with framing hammers.

you mean like the union workers in NYC (and many others) who take 'liquid lunches' before heading back on to multi-ton machinery? Yeah, they never get protected by the unions.


Sorry, I don't know much about your barbaric country. I'm in Canada.
 
2012-12-09 04:41:37 PM
Cops need to stop with the Oakleys and go back to aviators. Specifically the old-style Navy aviators.
 
2012-12-09 04:42:58 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Sorry for the EyeBleach:



This is Lt Vicki Yost who was the senior officer responsible for the raid.

She previously pled the 5th regarding a wrongful death where another cop shot someone. The police department lost that case and 6 million dollars. She attempted to cover it up. The police should have settled instead of her weak attempts at defense. Furthermore, to plead the fifth in court iIn other words she should not be a cop in any jurisdiction. 

Looks like she got a promotion:

She is now inspector.


Go-Go-Gadget Internal Affairs Coverup!
 
2012-12-09 04:44:32 PM

FunkOut: Sorry, I don't know much about your barbaric country. I'm in Canada.


Is that where the cheese eating surrender monkeys live?
 
2012-12-09 04:50:13 PM

cmb53208: Mrtraveler01: meanmutton: filter: What do the suburbs have to do with anything?

Did a quick check and noticed you were from Europe so here's a little bit about America for you:

Detroit is without a doubt the most racially polarized major city in the US. The city of Detroit is over 80% black with a median household income of $25,000 a year. The suburbs tend to be overwhelmingly white with a few exceptions (notably Southfield at 70% black and Inkster at 73% black) and very affluent (particularly Oakland County, 75% white and median household income of $75,000 a year and the Grosse Pointe cities which are all around 80% white with median household incomes of around $90,000 a year). The northern boundary of Detroit, 8 Mile Road, is a very clear dividing line between wealthy suburbs and the poor city.

There's a long history in Detroit of all sorts of problems, racial and otherwise. Coleman Young was mayor for 20 years and made a career of anti-white racial animosity. The city council today still has distrust of white suburbanites permeating attempts at deals within the city. White suburbanites frequently irrationally fear going into Detroit, even the revitalized downtown area, because of race-based fears.

Detroit also has a longstanding problem between an over-aggressive and under-funded police department (which has a predominately black leadership but a predominately white rank-and-file). They've had supervision both by the State Police and FBI in recent years for civil rights and other abuses. The people of Detroit, being largely poorly educated, poorly connected, and financially poor generally aren't able to avail themselves of legal assistance. The suburbanites, though, tend to be well educated, well connected, and financially well off.

The sad thing is that you can switch out Detroit with St. Louis and it sounds very similar.

..

And Milwaukee. And Chicago. And a host of other Midwest cities.

As far as race goes, Metro Milwaukee still looks like So ...


Well, here's where Detroit is special:
Detroit - 83% African American, 11% non-Hispanic white
St. Louis - 50% African American, 40% non-Hispanic white
Mikwaukee - 40% African American, 45% non-Hispanic white
Chicago - 33% African American, 31.7% non-Hispanic white

We here in Detroit take our racial segregation seriously.
 
2012-12-09 04:52:27 PM
It's not justice unless there's jailtime for all the LEO involved, including those who set the policy.
 
2012-12-09 04:52:48 PM

leevis: Lionel Mandrake: And this is why I've been a card-carrying member for 14 years.

Suck it, haters.

Does that card somehow entitle you to special treatment or something?


Nope. It just helps keep everyone's rights protected.

Even idiots on the internet.
 
2012-12-09 04:53:10 PM

Mrtraveler01: MN always seemed like a reasonable state to me.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-09 04:53:18 PM
So... what happened to the constitution violating officers? I know the police must have records of what officers were on scene. So were they fired? If not, why not? Was their CO fired? If not, why not?
 
2012-12-09 04:54:38 PM

Lionel Mandrake: leevis: Lionel Mandrake: And this is why I've been a card-carrying member for 14 years.

Suck it, haters.

Does that card somehow entitle you to special treatment or something?

Nope. It just helps keep everyone's rights protected.

Even idiots on the internet.


Which is how you got the card?
 
2012-12-09 04:56:04 PM

jaytkay: Mrtraveler01: MN always seemed like a reasonable state to me.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x275]


Let me rephrase that, outside the suburbs of the Twin Cities, it seems reasonable...at least compared to MO.
 
2012-12-09 04:58:20 PM

Marcus Aurelius: "To serve and protect.... oh fark that, let's beat some ass!"


upload.wikimedia.org

"Sounds good to me."

/funny how no one noticed the Decepticon insignia, or the "To punish and enslave" motto
 
2012-12-09 04:58:49 PM

AcneVulgaris: FunkOut: Sorry, I don't know much about your barbaric country. I'm in Canada.

Is that where the cheese eating surrender monkeys live?


Sorry, Northern Cajuns riot and burn cop cars. They also speak a strange space language that people from France can't understand.

I'm west coast anyway. There's no French people here. Just half of Hong Kong and 30% of the province of Punjab, which means the restaurant choices are endlessly delicious.
 
2012-12-09 04:59:57 PM

AcneVulgaris: edmo: And people claim unions ruined Detroit...

It's as if the police don't have a union that protects them when they farkup.


So in the thousands of towns and cities without unionized police the cops don't protect one another that way? CITATION NEEDED.
 
2012-12-09 05:01:43 PM

Infernalist: Benjimin_Dover: Because People in power are Stupid: Sorry for the EyeBleach:



This is Lt Vicki Yost who was the senior officer responsible for the raid.

She previously pled the 5th regarding a wrongful death where another cop shot someone. The police department lost that case and 6 million dollars. She attempted to cover it up. The police should have settled instead of her weak attempts at defense. Furthermore, to plead the fifth in court iIn other words she should not be a cop in any jurisdiction. 

Looks like she got a promotion:

She is now inspector.

Black and a woman. Who else better to promote? You get dubil plus affirmative action points for the win.

That police lady is black?


gweilo8888: Benjimin_Dover: Black and a woman. Who else better to promote? You get dubil plus affirmative action points for the win.

Uh.... Hate to break it to ya, but I think Yost is the not-so-black "wo"man in the uniform.


Telling that he assumes it's the black woman, yes?
 
2012-12-09 05:02:17 PM

LL316: Lionel Mandrake: leevis: Lionel Mandrake: And this is why I've been a card-carrying member for 14 years.

Suck it, haters.

Does that card somehow entitle you to special treatment or something?

Nope. It just helps keep everyone's rights protected.

Even idiots on the internet.

Which is how you got the card?


That doesn't make any sense.

But the ACLU supports your right to say it.
 
2012-12-09 05:03:22 PM
jaytkay:
No, we wonder why "libertarians" are only worried when a Democrat is in the White House
/ Actually, we don't wonder why, it's rather obvious


The answer, of course, is "Democrats stopped being the party of liberty a very long time ago, so they ignored libertarians up until the point they shifted over to the Republicans out of sheer frustration."
 
2012-12-09 05:04:06 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Telling that he assumes it's the black woman, yes?


It's almost as if he is based in reality.
 
2012-12-09 05:05:10 PM

meanmutton: St. Louis - 50% African American, 40% non-Hispanic white


That being said, there's still a well-defined line between the white part and the black part of St. Louis.

Detroit has 8 Mile Road, St. Louis has Delmar Boulevard 

/We're still in wannabe Detroit status
 
2012-12-09 05:12:33 PM
Nice disincentive to go to Detroit...as if there isn't enough of a reason to avoid going there.
 
2012-12-09 05:13:40 PM

Lsherm: Soon after the event, the ACLU of Michigan (American Civil Liberties Union) got involved and police dropped the loitering charges against 130 people, yet they held the patrons' cars in impound, telling them it would be $900 to get them back, plus towing and storage.

Shakedown!


Don't tell this town ain't got no heart

Seriously, WTF Detroit.
 
2012-12-09 05:15:12 PM

cirby: jaytkay:
No, we wonder why "libertarians" are only worried when a Democrat is in the White House
/ Actually, we don't wonder why, it's rather obvious

The answer, of course, is "Democrats stopped being the party of liberty a very long time ago, so they ignored libertarians up until the point they shifted over to the Republicans out of sheer frustration."


Cuz supporting authoritarians is very libertarian
 
2012-12-09 05:18:09 PM

Lsherm: Soon after the event, the ACLU of Michigan (American Civil Liberties Union) got involved and police dropped the loitering charges against 130 people, yet they held the patrons' cars in impound, telling them it would be $900 to get them back, plus towing and storage.

Shakedown!


I wonder how much of a kickback went into the cops' wallets from the towing company.

Also, it's legal to "forget" where you parked your car, right? Good strategy to remember in the future.
 
2012-12-09 05:18:37 PM
Another liberal police state.


Go ahead fark moon bats, blame the "right" for fascism.
 
2012-12-09 05:21:43 PM

OnlyM3: Another liberal police state.

Go ahead fark moon bats, blame the "right" for fascism.


LEOs' lives were in danger. Therefore, nothing to see here.
 
2012-12-09 05:26:41 PM

Lionel Mandrake: And this is why I've been a card-carrying member for 14 years.

Suck it, haters.


I signed up after reading about the Star Trek fans stopped in Illinois incident and how police routinely coach false positives from contraband sniffing dogs to gain entry into vehicles under false pretense.

I am probably going to double my contribution to them this year. Cash starved police forces have really ramped up the douche-baggery recently.
 
2012-12-09 05:27:33 PM
Nice to see the cops are doing what they're best at...

I mean this is a pretty great way of pissing all over the Constitution.
 
2012-12-09 05:29:54 PM

Christian Bale: Lsherm: Soon after the event, the ACLU of Michigan (American Civil Liberties Union) got involved and police dropped the loitering charges against 130 people, yet they held the patrons' cars in impound, telling them it would be $900 to get them back, plus towing and storage.

Shakedown!

I wonder how much of a kickback went into the cops' wallets from the towing company.

Also, it's legal to "forget" where you parked your car, right? Good strategy to remember in the future.


Not really. They'll make you "remember". Just say you took the bus, and you're outta there.
 
2012-12-09 05:30:31 PM

LemSkroob: FunkOut: AcneVulgaris: edmo: And people claim unions ruined Detroit...

It's as if the police don't have a union that protects them when they farkup.

I wish those construction unions would stop protecting their members after they go around killing people with jackhammers and harassing the public with framing hammers.

you mean like the union workers in NYC (and many others) who take 'liquid lunches' before heading back on to multi-ton machinery? Yeah, they never get protected by the unions.


Construction unions don't do a lot of job protection. Contractors won't see interference in their layoff or firing decisions, with the possible exception of one guy who is designated the shop steward. If guys are showing up at work trashed and keeping their jobs, that's management not paying attention.
 
2012-12-09 05:33:24 PM

jaytkay: fknra: and people wonder why libertarians worry about a police state...

No, we wonder why "libertarians" are only worried when a Democrat is in the White House

/ Actually, we don't wonder why, it's rather obvious


You sir are what is referred to as a dumb-ass. Paint that picture with one color. See who will buy it.
 
2012-12-09 05:48:25 PM
Must have done something wrong at some point in her life. They just got around to getting her!. Should be glad she is not in jail.
 
2012-12-09 05:55:25 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Furthermore, to plead the fifth in court iIn other words she should not be a cop in any jurisdiction.


So police have no 5th amendment rights? Is that how this works?
 
2012-12-09 05:56:38 PM

FunkOut: LemSkroob: FunkOut: AcneVulgaris: edmo: And people claim unions ruined Detroit...

It's as if the police don't have a union that protects them when they farkup.

I wish those construction unions would stop protecting their members after they go around killing people with jackhammers and harassing the public with framing hammers.

you mean like the union workers in NYC (and many others) who take 'liquid lunches' before heading back on to multi-ton machinery? Yeah, they never get protected by the unions.

Sorry, I don't know much about your barbaric country. I'm in Canada.


Well, we hire barbarians, so i guess you cant expect much better.
 
2012-12-09 05:56:53 PM

Lionel Mandrake: LL316: Lionel Mandrake: leevis: Lionel Mandrake: And this is why I've been a card-carrying member for 14 years.

Suck it, haters.

Does that card somehow entitle you to special treatment or something?

Nope. It just helps keep everyone's rights protected.

Even idiots on the internet.

Which is how you got the card?

That doesn't make any sense.

But the ACLU supports your right to say it.


But it doesn't protect you from consequences, amirite?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-12-09 05:59:16 PM
Also, it's legal to "forget" where you parked your car, right? Good strategy to remember in the future.

Police had the site under surveillance and had already obtained an "anticipatory" search warrant. Anticipatory warrants say, generally, "if you see (specified suspicious activity) you can execute this warrant." Police watched through part of the night and had the opportunity to see people arrive and park. At that hour one can speculate that most patrons parked nearby and there was little other activity nearby. When alcohol kept flowing after 2 AM, legal closing time if the servers had had a liquor license, they executed the warrant.
 
2012-12-09 05:59:44 PM

jaytkay: cirby: jaytkay:
No, we wonder why "libertarians" are only worried when a Democrat is in the White House
/ Actually, we don't wonder why, it's rather obvious

The answer, of course, is "Democrats stopped being the party of liberty a very long time ago, so they ignored libertarians up until the point they shifted over to the Republicans out of sheer frustration."

Cuz supporting authoritarians is very libertarian


Are you trying to be funny? Libertarian is the polar opposite of authoritarian.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-12-09 06:04:36 PM
Bio-nic: So police have no 5th amendment rights? Is that how this works?

Nobody has a 5th amendment right to refuse to testify to avoid noncriminal sanctions, such as loss of job, traffic fines (in some jurisdictions), lawsuits, etc. When people take the 5th in front of Congress they are claiming a risk of criminal prosecution. There is no right to refuse to talk to Congress merely because testimony might be embarassing. Oliver North was forced to testify when a judge ordered that his testimony not be used against him. Monica Goodling didn't have to testify, but she did lose her job because the Justice Department found her refusal to testify suspicious.
 
2012-12-09 06:07:38 PM
I really hope Detroit does the right thing here and does not appeals and properly compensates the people's who cars they unlawfully seized.
Not just by returning the cars but financial compensation for the hardships endured due to the loss of them.
 
2012-12-09 06:08:30 PM

the_chief: jaytkay: cirby: jaytkay:
No, we wonder why "libertarians" are only worried when a Democrat is in the White House
/ Actually, we don't wonder why, it's rather obvious

The answer, of course, is "Democrats stopped being the party of liberty a very long time ago, so they ignored libertarians up until the point they shifted over to the Republicans out of sheer frustration."

Cuz supporting authoritarians is very libertarian

Are you trying to be funny? Libertarian is the polar opposite of authoritarian.


No, the funny ones are the "libertarians" who vote Republican
 
2012-12-09 06:12:56 PM

WizardofToast: fknra: and people wonder why libertarians worry about a police state...

To the average citizen, anything over the top being done on other people is justified as long as it doesn't happen to them.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

/fk 'em
//happens all the time but it's only an issue when it happens ot you?
///fk 'em twice
 
2012-12-09 06:15:14 PM

grimlock1972: I really hope Detroit does the right thing here and does not appeals and properly compensates the people's who cars they unlawfully seized.
Not just by returning the cars but financial compensation for the hardships endured due to the loss of them.


Do you also hope Santa, the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny exist?
 
2012-12-09 06:18:45 PM

meanmutton: cmb53208: Mrtraveler01: meanmutton: filter: What do the suburbs have to do with anything?

Did a quick check and noticed you were from Europe so here's a little bit about America for you:

Detroit is without a doubt the most racially polarized major city in the US. The city of Detroit is over 80% black with a median household income of $25,000 a year. The suburbs tend to be overwhelmingly white with a few exceptions (notably Southfield at 70% black and Inkster at 73% black) and very affluent (particularly Oakland County, 75% white and median household income of $75,000 a year and the Grosse Pointe cities which are all around 80% white with median household incomes of around $90,000 a year). The northern boundary of Detroit, 8 Mile Road, is a very clear dividing line between wealthy suburbs and the poor city.

There's a long history in Detroit of all sorts of problems, racial and otherwise. Coleman Young was mayor for 20 years and made a career of anti-white racial animosity. The city council today still has distrust of white suburbanites permeating attempts at deals within the city. White suburbanites frequently irrationally fear going into Detroit, even the revitalized downtown area, because of race-based fears.

Detroit also has a longstanding problem between an over-aggressive and under-funded police department (which has a predominately black leadership but a predominately white rank-and-file). They've had supervision both by the State Police and FBI in recent years for civil rights and other abuses. The people of Detroit, being largely poorly educated, poorly connected, and financially poor generally aren't able to avail themselves of legal assistance. The suburbanites, though, tend to be well educated, well connected, and financially well off.

The sad thing is that you can switch out Detroit with St. Louis and it sounds very similar.

..

And Milwaukee. And Chicago. And a host of other Midwest cities.

As far as race goes, Metro Milwaukee still loo ...


I have been in the bad parts of Milwaukee, St. Louis, and Detroit. Milwaukee put me a little on edge but I wasn't very scared. In St. Louis I felt a strong urge not to loiter in the area. In Detroit it was "GET ME OUT NOW". Milwaukee has nothing on Detroit.

/Currently live in Milwaukee
 
2012-12-09 06:27:23 PM

ZAZ: Police stole valuable jewelry from a guy they arrested. The thief was one of a few known arresting officers, but each of them denied all knowledge. There is no government liability for theft from a prisoner here. ("Detention of goods" exception.) You have to name the specific officer responsible.


And if the same police stopped a car with four black people and found a pound of pot stuffed under the seat, all four would be arrested, charged, convicted, and sentenced to jail.
 
2012-12-09 06:43:30 PM

Bio-nic: Because People in power are Stupid: Furthermore, to plead the fifth in court iIn other words she should not be a cop in any jurisdiction.

So police have no 5th amendment rights? Is that how this works?


Yes, they do -but if they use them they should forfeit their job.
 
2012-12-09 07:01:01 PM

Christian Bale: Also, it's legal to "forget" where you parked your car, right? Good strategy to remember in the future.


No, it is not legal. You can't lie to a cop. That's obstruction of justice. More importantly, though, you don't need to.

The only thing you EVER should say to a police officer without a lawyer is present is "I will not answer questions without a lawyer". Then, you say NOTHING.

You say the magic word, "Lawyer", and immediately they can't legally ask you shiat.
 
2012-12-09 07:01:47 PM
I can see Detroit from my house.
 
2012-12-09 07:10:27 PM
Detroit represent. Anyone else ever go to City Club at the shiatty Leland hotel on Bagely and Grandriver?
 
2012-12-09 07:37:59 PM

vd61: Detroit represent. Anyone else ever go to City Club at the shiatty Leland hotel on Bagely and Grandriver?


Most of my clubbing days were spent in Novi or Ann Arbor. The only place in Detroit I've really gone to for that sort of thing is St. Andrews (I saw a few great acts there, including George Clinton who still could tear that shiat up and some terrible ones including Keanu Reves' band Dog Star who play as well as he acts).
 
2012-12-09 07:56:06 PM

OnlyM3: Another liberal police state.


Go ahead fark moon bats, blame the "right" for fascism.


Fists of impotent rage. You don't know her political preference.

i.chzbgr.com
 
2012-12-09 08:18:46 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Bio-nic: Because People in power are Stupid: Furthermore, to plead the fifth in court iIn other words she should not be a cop in any jurisdiction.

So police have no 5th amendment rights? Is that how this works?

Yes, they do -but if they use them they should forfeit their job.


I'm not sure how I feel about this because on one hand cops should be above reproach, but on the other should something had happen they are entitled to the same protections we all are without fear of reprisal.
 
2012-12-09 08:19:27 PM

Benjimin_Dover: Black and a woman. Who else better to promote? You get dubil plus affirmative action points for the win.


Talk about your blind hate.
 
2012-12-09 08:25:21 PM

Fista-Phobia: OnlyM3: Another liberal police state.

Go ahead fark moon bats, blame the "right" for fascism.

LEOs' lives were in danger. Therefore, nothing to see here.


Uh, how were LEO's lives in danger?

The Detroit PD raided a publicly held festival/event at a public art museum.

They detained everybody, cited them for "loitering", then impounded everyones car, since they were cited for "loitering".

What I see is that they sent in the SWAT guys in balaclavas and rifles first, and uniformed officers later (why the hell was a tactical unit needed?!?), found no evidence of illegal activity.

Frankly, I am VERY curious on what grounds they made this raid, since it seems nothing was found, and you'd think that to raid a public party at an art gallery would be a very strange move indeed unless you had ironclad evidence of something illegal happening.

Did they expect to find lots of casual use of drugs because it was an art gallery? That's definitely not probable cause on its own.
 
2012-12-09 08:25:57 PM

nmemkha: Benjimin_Dover: Black and a woman. Who else better to promote? You get dubil plus affirmative action points for the win.

Talk about your blind hate.


I think you clearly need your sarcasm detector fixed
 
2012-12-09 08:28:22 PM

Silverstaff: Fista-Phobia: OnlyM3: Another liberal police state.

Go ahead fark moon bats, blame the "right" for fascism.

LEOs' lives were in danger. Therefore, nothing to see here.

Uh, how were LEO's lives in danger?

The Detroit PD raided a publicly held festival/event at a public art museum.

They detained everybody, cited them for "loitering", then impounded everyones car, since they were cited for "loitering".

What I see is that they sent in the SWAT guys in balaclavas and rifles first, and uniformed officers later (why the hell was a tactical unit needed?!?), found no evidence of illegal activity.

Frankly, I am VERY curious on what grounds they made this raid, since it seems nothing was found, and you'd think that to raid a public party at an art gallery would be a very strange move indeed unless you had ironclad evidence of something illegal happening.

Did they expect to find lots of casual use of drugs because it was an art gallery? That's definitely not probable cause on its own.


White people in Detroit proper is all the evidence they need
 
2012-12-09 08:28:56 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: OnlyM3: Another liberal police state.


Go ahead fark moon bats, blame the "right" for fascism.

Fists of impotent rage. You don't know her political preference.

[i.chzbgr.com image 500x680]


Whether Gov. controls Corp. or Corp. controls Gov., we will be screwed. You guys are arguing over which side of the coin is evil, when it's the whole goddam coin that is evil.
 
2012-12-09 08:29:25 PM

jaytkay: fknra: and people wonder why libertarians worry about a police state...

No, we wonder why "libertarians" are only worried when a Democrat is in the White House

/ Actually, we don't wonder why, it's rather obvious


Some of us worry about the repubs more.

/liberal libertarian
//former democrat
///hate republicans
 
2012-12-09 08:32:34 PM

the_chief: Are you trying to be funny? Libertarian is the polar opposite of authoritarian.


Yeah except the Libertarian political philosophy is best summed up as 'you're not my daddy'. Typically Libertarians wig out and start flapping their arms when Democrats try to exercise power. When authoritarian conservatives exercise power they act like obedient bootlickers.
 
2012-12-09 08:46:56 PM

gweilo8888: Benjimin_Dover: Black and a woman. Who else better to promote? You get dubil plus affirmative action points for the win.

Uh.... Hate to break it to ya, but I think Yost is the not-so-black "wo"man in the uniform.


My bad. Since I saw a dude in uniform without Lt. bars on and a woman who supposedly is an inspector who wears plain clothes, I made an error. Whoopsie.

But it is a funny one.
 
2012-12-09 08:48:42 PM
Okay, I've read the actual court ruling: Link

Mobley v. City of Detroit.

So, the reason the raid happened was that Detroit PD considered the place to be a speakeasy. The museum had no liquor license, but apparently museum staff were serving alcohol, and a Detroit PD officer went in undercover and purchased alcohol. They claim they also saw a patron using marijuana.

So, they went in with a full tactical unit and raided the place? Their response to serving liquor without a license at a public place was hit it with the SWAT team, arrest everybody, search everybody, impound all vehicles?

The court didn't rule it was excessive force, but what cause did they have to think that a tactical unit was needed? A museum running a bar at an evening party was hardly the same thing as a prohibition-era mob-run speakeasy. Did they expect half the patrons to pull out guns if uniformed officers showed up?
 
2012-12-09 08:54:38 PM

Silverstaff: The court didn't rule it was excessive force, but what cause did they have to think that a tactical unit was needed? A museum running a bar at an evening party was hardly the same thing as a prohibition-era mob-run speakeasy. Did they expect half the patrons to pull out guns if uniformed officers showed up?


One of my thoughts for curing the disease is, if the cops pull a gun on someone, that should preclude anything but a felony charge.
 
2012-12-09 08:55:05 PM

gibbon1: the_chief: Are you trying to be funny? Libertarian is the polar opposite of authoritarian.

Yeah except the Libertarian political philosophy is best summed up as 'you're not my daddy'. Typically Libertarians wig out and start flapping their arms when Democrats try to exercise power. When authoritarian conservatives exercise power they act like obedient bootlickers.


You can thank Teabaggerland shiat bricks for ruining what used to be the only socially liberal, fiscally conservative party. Post 2008 LP is pretty much just the extreme republican fringe now. Fundamentalist, paranoid, neocon, authoritarian imperialists who worship objectivism and plutocracy.

It's a far cry from what used to be a specifically humanist movement. But hey, Gary Johnson's closest buddies got a big payday. All it took was leeching the humanity out of their political movement and turning it into a proponent of blatant corporate worship and Jesus based authoritarianism.
 
2012-12-09 09:10:14 PM

neongoats: gibbon1: the_chief: Are you trying to be funny? Libertarian is the polar opposite of authoritarian.

Yeah except the Libertarian political philosophy is best summed up as 'you're not my daddy'. Typically Libertarians wig out and start flapping their arms when Democrats try to exercise power. When authoritarian conservatives exercise power they act like obedient bootlickers.

You can thank Teabaggerland shiat bricks for ruining what used to be the only socially liberal, fiscally conservative party. Post 2008 LP is pretty much just the extreme republican fringe now. Fundamentalist, paranoid, neocon, authoritarian imperialists who worship objectivism and plutocracy.

It's a far cry from what used to be a specifically humanist movement. But hey, Gary Johnson's closest buddies got a big payday. All it took was leeching the humanity out of their political movement and turning it into a proponent of blatant corporate worship and Jesus based authoritarianism.


Oh Ug. Where did you get Jesus based authoritarian from Gary Johnson?

imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-12-09 09:17:05 PM

ZombieApocalypseKitten: neongoats: gibbon1: the_chief: Are you trying to be funny? Libertarian is the polar opposite of authoritarian.

Yeah except the Libertarian political philosophy is best summed up as 'you're not my daddy'. Typically Libertarians wig out and start flapping their arms when Democrats try to exercise power. When authoritarian conservatives exercise power they act like obedient bootlickers.

You can thank Teabaggerland shiat bricks for ruining what used to be the only socially liberal, fiscally conservative party. Post 2008 LP is pretty much just the extreme republican fringe now. Fundamentalist, paranoid, neocon, authoritarian imperialists who worship objectivism and plutocracy.

It's a far cry from what used to be a specifically humanist movement. But hey, Gary Johnson's closest buddies got a big payday. All it took was leeching the humanity out of their political movement and turning it into a proponent of blatant corporate worship and Jesus based authoritarianism.

Oh Ug. Where did you get Jesus based authoritarian from Gary Johnson?

[imgs.xkcd.com image 300x330]


No.. Gary Johnson is just a wanker who took the money grab and laid under the radar. I do absolutely get Jesus based authoritarian from your average 'bagger. If you don't, I'm not sure you have been paying attention.
 
2012-12-09 09:19:32 PM

neongoats: ZombieApocalypseKitten: neongoats: gibbon1: the_chief: Are you trying to be funny? Libertarian is the polar opposite of authoritarian.

Yeah except the Libertarian political philosophy is best summed up as 'you're not my daddy'. Typically Libertarians wig out and start flapping their arms when Democrats try to exercise power. When authoritarian conservatives exercise power they act like obedient bootlickers.

You can thank Teabaggerland shiat bricks for ruining what used to be the only socially liberal, fiscally conservative party. Post 2008 LP is pretty much just the extreme republican fringe now. Fundamentalist, paranoid, neocon, authoritarian imperialists who worship objectivism and plutocracy.

It's a far cry from what used to be a specifically humanist movement. But hey, Gary Johnson's closest buddies got a big payday. All it took was leeching the humanity out of their political movement and turning it into a proponent of blatant corporate worship and Jesus based authoritarianism.

Oh Ug. Where did you get Jesus based authoritarian from Gary Johnson?

[imgs.xkcd.com image 300x330]

No.. Gary Johnson is just a wanker who took the money grab and laid under the radar. I do absolutely get Jesus based authoritarian from your average 'bagger. If you don't, I'm not sure you have been paying attention.


Teabaggers are jesus freaks, that we agree on. Libertarians vary widely.

//atheist
//libertarian
 
2012-12-09 09:24:25 PM

Silverstaff: Fista-Phobia: OnlyM3: Another liberal police state.

Go ahead fark moon bats, blame the "right" for fascism.

LEOs' lives were in danger. Therefore, nothing to see here.

Uh, how were LEO's lives in danger?

The Detroit PD raided a publicly held festival/event at a public art museum.

They detained everybody, cited them for "loitering", then impounded everyones car, since they were cited for "loitering".

What I see is that they sent in the SWAT guys in balaclavas and rifles first, and uniformed officers later (why the hell was a tactical unit needed?!?), found no evidence of illegal activity.

Frankly, I am VERY curious on what grounds they made this raid, since it seems nothing was found, and you'd think that to raid a public party at an art gallery would be a very strange move indeed unless you had ironclad evidence of something illegal happening.

Did they expect to find lots of casual use of drugs because it was an art gallery? That's definitely not probable cause on its own.


Art galleries are known hangouts for liberals and other subversives. The fact is all liberal art subversives use illegal substances any chance they get. The fine, upstanding Detroit police department was only taxing the liberal drug using artist scum, because we all know that they are tax dodgers and criminals.

Besides, they don't really NEED cars.

Right?
 
2012-12-09 09:25:43 PM

ZombieApocalypseKitten: neongoats: ZombieApocalypseKitten: neongoats: gibbon1: the_chief: Are you trying to be funny? Libertarian is the polar opposite of authoritarian.

Yeah except the Libertarian political philosophy is best summed up as 'you're not my daddy'. Typically Libertarians wig out and start flapping their arms when Democrats try to exercise power. When authoritarian conservatives exercise power they act like obedient bootlickers.

You can thank Teabaggerland shiat bricks for ruining what used to be the only socially liberal, fiscally conservative party. Post 2008 LP is pretty much just the extreme republican fringe now. Fundamentalist, paranoid, neocon, authoritarian imperialists who worship objectivism and plutocracy.

It's a far cry from what used to be a specifically humanist movement. But hey, Gary Johnson's closest buddies got a big payday. All it took was leeching the humanity out of their political movement and turning it into a proponent of blatant corporate worship and Jesus based authoritarianism.

Oh Ug. Where did you get Jesus based authoritarian from Gary Johnson?

[imgs.xkcd.com image 300x330]

No.. Gary Johnson is just a wanker who took the money grab and laid under the radar. I do absolutely get Jesus based authoritarian from your average 'bagger. If you don't, I'm not sure you have been paying attention.

Teabaggers are jesus freaks, that we agree on. Libertarians vary widely.

//atheist
//libertarian


Agreed.. Small l, libertarians vary very widely. It's the big L LP that I have a problem with, and the fact that 'bagger objectivists have basically cornered the market on perception of what libertarianism is. I feel like the label doesn't fit actual libertarians anymore.
 
2012-12-09 09:30:12 PM

gibbon1: the_chief: Are you trying to be funny? Libertarian is the polar opposite of authoritarian.

Yeah except the Libertarian political philosophy is best summed up as 'you're not my daddy'. Typically Libertarians wig out and start flapping their arms when Democrats try to exercise power. When authoritarian conservatives exercise power they act like obedient bootlickers.


Yer full of crap, right? Or maybe you just got a short memory about all the hell raising over the Patriot act?
 
2012-12-09 09:33:45 PM

neongoats: ZombieApocalypseKitten: neongoats: ZombieApocalypseKitten: neongoats: gibbon1: the_chief: Are you trying to be funny? Libertarian is the polar opposite of authoritarian.

Yeah except the Libertarian political philosophy is best summed up as 'you're not my daddy'. Typically Libertarians wig out and start flapping their arms when Democrats try to exercise power. When authoritarian conservatives exercise power they act like obedient bootlickers.

You can thank Teabaggerland shiat bricks for ruining what used to be the only socially liberal, fiscally conservative party. Post 2008 LP is pretty much just the extreme republican fringe now. Fundamentalist, paranoid, neocon, authoritarian imperialists who worship objectivism and plutocracy.

It's a far cry from what used to be a specifically humanist movement. But hey, Gary Johnson's closest buddies got a big payday. All it took was leeching the humanity out of their political movement and turning it into a proponent of blatant corporate worship and Jesus based authoritarianism.

Oh Ug. Where did you get Jesus based authoritarian from Gary Johnson?

[imgs.xkcd.com image 300x330]

No.. Gary Johnson is just a wanker who took the money grab and laid under the radar. I do absolutely get Jesus based authoritarian from your average 'bagger. If you don't, I'm not sure you have been paying attention.

Teabaggers are jesus freaks, that we agree on. Libertarians vary widely.

//atheist
//libertarian

Agreed.. Small l, libertarians vary very widely. It's the big L LP that I have a problem with, and the fact that 'bagger objectivists have basically cornered the market on perception of what libertarianism is. I feel like the label doesn't fit actual libertarians anymore.


I think all the parties have been highjacked by radicals.
 
2012-12-09 09:39:44 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Sorry for the EyeBleach:


i238.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-09 10:17:05 PM

vd61: Detroit represent. Anyone else ever go to City Club at the shiatty Leland hotel on Bagely and Grandriver?


I have.

Boy-o-boy I have.

I've been there probably a couple of dozen times back around the turn of the millennium. I've had some good times there, and some I'm-so-drunk-I'm-going-to-die times there. It's where I learned to force-sweat myself sober, and where I got left behind after my friends got into a fight with a viking (okay, just a huge guy wearing furs) while I was too drunk to calm things down (or stand up). It's the place I had just left the only time I've had full-on sex in the back of a moving vehicle.

I used to love that place, and plan to visit (if it's still around, it was last time I checked) next time I make it back up to my hometown.
 
2012-12-09 10:47:36 PM

twistofsin: RedVentrue: ZAZ: The judge's opinion is linked from http://www.aclumich.org/CAID.

There is some risk that it will be reversed on appeal. While patrons are not responsible for asking to see the liquor license, an appeals court could decide the totality of the circumstances raised enough suspicion to hold them responsible. Once you say they should have known the party was illegal, the vehicle forfeiture becomes legal.

The complaint alleged excessive force by arresting officers. They knew it was one of eight officers, but were "unable to identify the specific officers who allegedly engaged in excessive force." So they lost. That reminds of a case from my area. Police stole valuable jewelry from a guy they arrested. The thief was one of a few known arresting officers, but each of them denied all knowledge. There is no government liability for theft from a prisoner here. ("Detention of goods" exception.) You have to name the specific officer responsible.

So hostage taking and extortion are legal in Detroit?

Only when the circumstances prevent the victims from positively identifying the officers.


So my question is, why are there no rules about officers wearing an identifying name or number. If they are allowed to hide their identity and they can only be found guilty of a crime if they can be individually identified then you're basically just giving them free power to commit crimes at will. If they do have rules about officers wearing identifying gear then why can't they claim their rights were violated when they were denied the ability to identify their antagonist?

Why do people politicians trust the police so much with so little evidence that they deserve it? My guess is that it has something to do with police being responsible for the protection of our people politicians.
 
2012-12-09 10:58:01 PM

Mrtraveler01: I'd move [to Minnesota] if it wasn't freezing 9 months out of the year.


Minnesota is a continental climate and the 45th parallel runs through the Twin Cities. It's only freezing 6 months out of the year, and pretty hot for most of the rest.
 
2012-12-09 11:03:02 PM

UseLessHuman: So my question is, why are there no rules about officers wearing an identifying name or number.


From what I understand (and I could be completely wrong here), there is a law requiring officers to display their name and badge number. They're also required to give it on request. However, if they don't, how will you identify them in order to submit a complaint? So they're technically required to, but if they don't there's nothing you can do about it.
 
2012-12-09 11:21:51 PM

BigNumber12: Because People in power are Stupid: Sorry for the EyeBleach:

[i238.photobucket.com image 330x282]


I killed your father prepare to die?

(Eyebleach is what you will be using if you view that picture too much)
 
2012-12-09 11:30:43 PM
You live in Farking Detroit what did you expect.
 
2012-12-09 11:43:50 PM
One of the few places where you don't go without protection...
 
2012-12-09 11:49:48 PM

RedVentrue: Yer full of crap, right? Or maybe you just got a short memory about all the hell raising over the Patriot act?


Did that actually change the way they voted? Nope, they just knuckled under as expected.

On the other side, Obama is president not Hillary for the simple reason Hillary voted for the Iraq war and Obama wasn't around to vote for it.
 
2012-12-10 12:18:16 AM

cmb53208: Mrtraveler01: meanmutton: filter: What do the suburbs have to do with anything?

Did a quick check and noticed you were from Europe so here's a little bit about America for you:

Detroit is without a doubt the most racially polarized major city in the US. The city of Detroit is over 80% black with a median household income of $25,000 a year. The suburbs tend to be overwhelmingly white with a few exceptions (notably Southfield at 70% black and Inkster at 73% black) and very affluent (particularly Oakland County, 75% white and median household income of $75,000 a year and the Grosse Pointe cities which are all around 80% white with median household incomes of around $90,000 a year). The northern boundary of Detroit, 8 Mile Road, is a very clear dividing line between wealthy suburbs and the poor city.

There's a long history in Detroit of all sorts of problems, racial and otherwise. Coleman Young was mayor for 20 years and made a career of anti-white racial animosity. The city council today still has distrust of white suburbanites permeating attempts at deals within the city. White suburbanites frequently irrationally fear going into Detroit, even the revitalized downtown area, because of race-based fears.

Detroit also has a longstanding problem between an over-aggressive and under-funded police department (which has a predominately black leadership but a predominately white rank-and-file). They've had supervision both by the State Police and FBI in recent years for civil rights and other abuses. The people of Detroit, being largely poorly educated, poorly connected, and financially poor generally aren't able to avail themselves of legal assistance. The suburbanites, though, tend to be well educated, well connected, and financially well off.

The sad thing is that you can switch out Detroit with St. Louis and it sounds very similar.

..

And Milwaukee. And Chicago. And a host of other Midwest cities.

As far as race goes, Metro Milwaukee still looks like South Africa before the end of Apartheid. The racial history of the urban Midwest is ugly, very ugly.


Throw Memphis in there too. The 4 years that I lived in the downtown area were the most psychicly draining time of my life
 
2012-12-10 12:43:24 AM
The four things I've learned from all of this:

1) Signal lane changes.

2) Keep my car vacuumed out.

3) Make a contribution to the ACLU.

4) If I encounter a pleasant, reasonable police officer who's just trying to do his/her job courteously and correctly, that person in all likelihood will cease to be a police officer within the next five years.
 
2012-12-10 01:33:02 AM
Just another reason not to go to Detroit. Don't spend a dime in those bastard's city.
You f'd the whole thing up.
 
2012-12-10 07:49:23 AM
fknra
and people wonder why libertarians worry about a police state...


Libertarians only worry about governnment when they tell business what to do. That is why Libertarians are all about small government.
 
2012-12-10 08:47:12 AM

gibbon1: RedVentrue: Yer full of crap, right? Or maybe you just got a short memory about all the hell raising over the Patriot act?

Did that actually change the way they voted? Nope, they just knuckled under as expected.

On the other side, Obama is president not Hillary for the simple reason Hillary voted for the Iraq war and Obama wasn't around to vote for it.


The Patriot Act turned a lot of freedom loving Reps into Independents and Libertarians, just not enough to make any difference. Dems have lost numbers the same way, to a lesser degree.
 
2012-12-10 08:53:24 AM

Enemabag Jones: Libertarians only worry about governnment when they tell business what to do. That is why Libertarians are all about small government.


[Citation needed]
 
2012-12-10 09:34:16 AM

gibbon1: RedVentrue: Yer full of crap, right? Or maybe you just got a short memory about all the hell raising over the Patriot act?

Did that actually change the way they voted? Nope, they just knuckled under as expected.

On the other side, Obama is president not Hillary for the simple reason Hillary voted for the Iraq war and Obama wasn't around to vote for it.


I've gotta agree that the whole push for the Iraq war was bogus. I remember thinking, "You've got to be kidding me." while that was happening.
 
2012-12-10 10:02:25 AM
Remember people...liberals say the government is an overwhelming force of good and is just not big enough. If we keep on letting it get better and dictate more aspects of our lives things can only get better!
 
2012-12-10 10:19:41 AM

Bio-nic: Because People in power are Stupid: Furthermore, to plead the fifth in court iIn other words she should not be a cop in any jurisdiction.

So police have no 5th amendment rights? Is that how this works?


They're public servants. Unless they're directly protecting an informant or undercover officer, their 5th Amendment rights directly concerning their public duties SHOULD be limited.

Kind of like how military guys have limited First Amendment rights while on duty.
 
2012-12-10 10:41:42 AM

fknra: and people wonder why libertarians worry about a police state...


It's not just libertarians. Anyone with their eyes open over the last 30 years can see how militarized the police have become in the US. And of course, the War on Drugs has been nothing more than a free source of money to buy all the tanks, armor and other crap the cops buy to play soldier instead of actually policing.
 
2012-12-10 11:41:21 AM

neomunk: vd61: Detroit represent. Anyone else ever go to City Club at the shiatty Leland hotel on Bagely and Grandriver?

I have.

Boy-o-boy I have.

I've been there probably a couple of dozen times back around the turn of the millennium. I've had some good times there, and some I'm-so-drunk-I'm-going-to-die times there. It's where I learned to force-sweat myself sober, and where I got left behind after my friends got into a fight with a viking (okay, just a huge guy wearing furs) while I was too drunk to calm things down (or stand up). It's the place I had just left the only time I've had full-on sex in the back of a moving vehicle.

I used to love that place, and plan to visit (if it's still around, it was last time I checked) next time I make it back up to my hometown.


It still operates good sir. Nearly closed a few years ago but has had a nice little revival, lot of live shows in the ballroom adjacent, free cover sundays if you look at their facebook. I'm usually there a 2 or 3 times a month. Love the sweating sober metaphor, one I've used as well. gotta love 430 am closing times.
 
2012-12-10 11:42:12 AM
fark me. not sundays, fridays. sundays isn't open, and I know this. pardon my weed.
 
2012-12-10 02:24:48 PM
The tactics used seem more proportionate to a RICO case. Unless the people arrested were involved with he sale of illegal liquor I don't see how this works. Were the cars illegally parked or being used to commit a crime?
 
2012-12-10 02:25:13 PM

RedVentrue: Art galleries are known hangouts for liberals and other subversives. The fact is all liberal art subversives use illegal substances any chance they get. The fine, upstanding Detroit police department was only taxing the liberal drug using artist scum, because we all know that they are tax dodgers and criminals.

Besides, they don't really NEED cars.

Right?


You really don't know anything about Detroit, do you?
 
2012-12-10 02:28:02 PM

RedVentrue: I think all the parties have been highjacked by radicals.


Go look at France -- where two of their three candidates for President were an actual Socialist who ran on a platform of instituting a 75% income tax rate and a neo-Nazi who wants to expel all immigrants from France.
 
2012-12-10 02:46:12 PM

ZAZ: submitter: illegal raids

The raid was authorized by a search warrant to look for evidence of violation of liquor laws. The warrant was supported by probable cause and in fact there were violations of liquor laws. When police went in they were acting legally.


The word you are looking for is 'extralegal'.
 
2012-12-10 04:21:44 PM
"In a free country, the police may not conduct commando-style raids on innocent people and seize their property without justification," said Dan Korobkin, ACLU of Michigan staff attorney.

It is true: In a free country this would never have happened... but what does that have to do with the USA?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-12-10 04:34:56 PM
wumpus

The nuisance law allows police to seize the car you use to get to the scene of the crime. It is commonly enforced against people cruising for prostitutes.
 
2012-12-10 09:18:54 PM

meanmutton: RedVentrue: I think all the parties have been highjacked by radicals.

Go look at France -- where two of their three candidates for President were an actual Socialist who ran on a platform of instituting a 75% income tax rate and a neo-Nazi who wants to expel all immigrants from France.


Yep, and we're not too far behind, are we?
 
2012-12-11 01:43:45 AM

PunGent: They're public servants. Unless they're directly protecting an informant or undercover officer, their 5th Amendment rights directly concerning their public duties SHOULD be limited.


That would be my feeling, you waved that right when you became a police officer you voluntarily gave up the right against self incrimination because part of your job is to testify truthfully before the court. At the very least exercising that right should mean instant termination.
 
2012-12-11 09:18:14 AM

vd61: It still operates good sir. Nearly closed a few years ago but has had a nice little revival, lot of live shows in the ballroom adjacent, free cover sundays if you look at their facebook. I'm usually there a 2 or 3 times a month. Love the sweating sober metaphor, one I've used as well. gotta love 430 am closing times.


Well I've added you to my favorites, and I'll try to remember to get in touch next time I go up (which might be in the next couple of months). We can have a mini City Club Fark party. It'll be fun.
 
2012-12-11 10:52:14 AM

gibbon1: PunGent: They're public servants. Unless they're directly protecting an informant or undercover officer, their 5th Amendment rights directly concerning their public duties SHOULD be limited.

That would be my feeling, you waved that right when you became a police officer you voluntarily gave up the right against self incrimination because part of your job is to testify truthfully before the court. At the very least exercising that right should mean instant termination.


When on duty as a PEACE officer, a cop should have to answer any and all questions regarding that duty. When off duty, the officer is just another private citizen. Duty = responsibility.
 
2012-12-11 12:15:13 PM

RedVentrue: gibbon1: PunGent: They're public servants. Unless they're directly protecting an informant or undercover officer, their 5th Amendment rights directly concerning their public duties SHOULD be limited.

That would be my feeling, you waved that right when you became a police officer you voluntarily gave up the right against self incrimination because part of your job is to testify truthfully before the court. At the very least exercising that right should mean instant termination.

When on duty as a PEACE officer, a cop should have to answer any and all questions regarding that duty. When off duty, the officer is just another private citizen. Duty = responsibility.


Exactly.

For example, I'm OK with heightened penalties if someone kills a cop...IF there are heightened penalties for cops who commit crimes.

(Insert Spider-Man power/responsibility quote here)
 
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