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(Ferndale 115)   Someone forgot to tell the Detroit Police Department that they won't be able to conduct illegal raids and car impoundings anymore if they do it to visitors from the suburbs. Tag is for the ACLU   (ferndale115.com) divider line 150
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2012-12-09 11:42:52 AM
Those police were helping those people. It was funk night and they heard that the roof was on fire.
 
2012-12-09 12:08:44 PM
"To serve and protect.... oh fark that, let's beat some ass!"
 
2012-12-09 12:20:42 PM
And people claim unions ruined Detroit...
 
2012-12-09 12:26:22 PM
img543.imageshack.us

"RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAID?!"
 
2012-12-09 12:32:20 PM
img.allvoices.com

Pictured: Police patrolling the American city of Detroit.
 
2012-12-09 02:01:28 PM
And this is why I've been a card-carrying member for 14 years.

Suck it, haters.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-12-09 02:02:56 PM
The judge's opinion is linked from http://www.aclumich.org/CAID.

There is some risk that it will be reversed on appeal. While patrons are not responsible for asking to see the liquor license, an appeals court could decide the totality of the circumstances raised enough suspicion to hold them responsible. Once you say they should have known the party was illegal, the vehicle forfeiture becomes legal.

The complaint alleged excessive force by arresting officers. They knew it was one of eight officers, but were "unable to identify the specific officers who allegedly engaged in excessive force." So they lost. That reminds of a case from my area. Police stole valuable jewelry from a guy they arrested. The thief was one of a few known arresting officers, but each of them denied all knowledge. There is no government liability for theft from a prisoner here. ("Detention of goods" exception.) You have to name the specific officer responsible.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-12-09 02:17:40 PM
submitter: illegal raids

The raid was authorized by a search warrant to look for evidence of violation of liquor laws. The warrant was supported by probable cause and in fact there were violations of liquor laws. When police went in they were acting legally.

What the judge found illegal was the policy of arresting everybody present at such events without reason to believe that each person arrested had committed a crime.
 
2012-12-09 02:29:06 PM
Soon after the event, the ACLU of Michigan (American Civil Liberties Union) got involved and police dropped the loitering charges against 130 people, yet they held the patrons' cars in impound, telling them it would be $900 to get them back, plus towing and storage.

Shakedown!
 
2012-12-09 02:55:38 PM

ZAZ: The judge's opinion is linked from http://www.aclumich.org/CAID.

There is some risk that it will be reversed on appeal. While patrons are not responsible for asking to see the liquor license, an appeals court could decide the totality of the circumstances raised enough suspicion to hold them responsible. Once you say they should have known the party was illegal, the vehicle forfeiture becomes legal.

The complaint alleged excessive force by arresting officers. They knew it was one of eight officers, but were "unable to identify the specific officers who allegedly engaged in excessive force." So they lost. That reminds of a case from my area. Police stole valuable jewelry from a guy they arrested. The thief was one of a few known arresting officers, but each of them denied all knowledge. There is no government liability for theft from a prisoner here. ("Detention of goods" exception.) You have to name the specific officer responsible.


All cops are criminals.
The innocent ones were guilty of conspiracy after the fact.
fark em
 
2012-12-09 03:21:18 PM
I thought Prohibition ended.
 
2012-12-09 03:21:44 PM

BronyMedic: [img.allvoices.com image 609x480]

Pictured: Police patrolling the American city of Detroit.


Wait a sec...that can't be a picture of Detroit.

That building in the background is still in tact.
 
2012-12-09 03:24:01 PM

Lionel Mandrake: And this is why I've been a card-carrying member for 14 years.

Suck it, haters.


static.guim.co.uk

Before it was cool, right?
 
2012-12-09 03:24:21 PM
Biatches, leave.
 
2012-12-09 03:24:42 PM
"In a free country, the police may not conduct commando-style raids on innocent people and seize their property without justification," said Dan Korobkin, ACLU

Yet, they can here, and regularly do. Ergo...
 
2012-12-09 03:26:50 PM

ZAZ: submitter: illegal raids

The raid was authorized by a search warrant to look for evidence of violation of liquor laws. The warrant was supported by probable cause and in fact there were violations of liquor laws. When police went in they were acting legally.

What the judge found illegal was the policy of arresting everybody present at such events without reason to believe that each person arrested had committed a crime.


Arresting and confiscating their cars. And then saying "oh, you can have your car back for 900 bucks.". It was a shakedown. Another way for corrupt Detroit to make money off its people.
 
2012-12-09 03:28:36 PM
Sorry for the EyeBleach:

blog.thedetroithub.com

This is Lt Vicki Yost who was the senior officer responsible for the raid.

She previously pled the 5th regarding a wrongful death where another cop shot someone. The police department lost that case and 6 million dollars. She attempted to cover it up. The police should have settled instead of her weak attempts at defense. Furthermore, to plead the fifth in court iIn other words she should not be a cop in any jurisdiction. 

Looks like she got a promotion:

She is now inspector.
 
2012-12-09 03:28:41 PM

Hector Remarkable: "In a free country, the police may not conduct commando-style raids on innocent people and seize their property without justification," said Dan Korobkin, ACLU

Yet, they can here, and regularly do. Ergo...


I think I see the problem.
 
2012-12-09 03:32:24 PM

Lionel Mandrake: And this is why I've been a card-carrying member for 14 years.

Suck it, haters.


Does that card somehow entitle you to special treatment or something?
 
2012-12-09 03:35:37 PM

leevis: Lionel Mandrake: And this is why I've been a card-carrying member for 14 years.

Suck it, haters.

Does that card somehow entitle you to special treatment or something?


It makes his farts smell like roses.
 
2012-12-09 03:36:24 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Looks like she got a promotion:

She is now inspector.



Blue wall always works, any cop in a large department with a good heart and any humanity is quickly passed over and eventually quits out of frustration, I have seen it happen time after time.
 
2012-12-09 03:36:55 PM
and people wonder why libertarians worry about a police state...
 
2012-12-09 03:38:36 PM
writersgallery.com

Haters gonna hate....


Seriously, though, WTF are these people thinking.... oh right, this is Detroit. Just sit in one city council meeting or hang around city hall and you'll wonder why they let the inmates run the place. Too many people in charge have a severe disconnect with reality. Bing is an improvement, but it's hard to fight decades of corruption and entitlement culture.
 
2012-12-09 03:38:51 PM

leevis: Does that card somehow entitle you to special treatment or something?


There is a lengthy legal precedent, going back to 1789, whereby a card carrying member can claim self-defense against an agent of the government, if that act is deemed a defense against tyranny, a defense of liberty.
 
2012-12-09 03:41:31 PM

leevis: Lionel Mandrake: And this is why I've been a card-carrying member for 14 years.

Suck it, haters.

Does that card somehow entitle you to special treatment or something?


It's evidence of doing a lot more for the cause of liberty than posting shiat on the Internet
 
2012-12-09 03:48:30 PM
What do the suburbs have to do with anything?
 
2012-12-09 03:49:53 PM

fknra: and people wonder why libertarians worry about a police state...


To the average citizen, anything over the top being done on other people is justified as long as it doesn't happen to them.
 
2012-12-09 03:50:16 PM

filter: What do the suburbs have to do with anything?


Comparatively wealthy white people who might actually fight back.
 
2012-12-09 03:51:18 PM

MickCollins: ZAZ: submitter: illegal raids

The raid was authorized by a search warrant to look for evidence of violation of liquor laws. The warrant was supported by probable cause and in fact there were violations of liquor laws. When police went in they were acting legally.

What the judge found illegal was the policy of arresting everybody present at such events without reason to believe that each person arrested had committed a crime.

Arresting and confiscating their cars. And then saying "oh, you can have your car back for 900 bucks.". It was a shakedown. Another way for corrupt Detroit to make money off its people.


Hey those cool toys don't pay for themselves you know.
 
2012-12-09 03:51:53 PM

fknra: and people wonder why libertarians worry about a police state...


No, we wonder why "libertarians" are only worried when a Democrat is in the White House

/ Actually, we don't wonder why, it's rather obvious
 
2012-12-09 03:58:17 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Sorry for the EyeBleach:



This is Lt Vicki Yost who was the senior officer responsible for the raid.

She previously pled the 5th regarding a wrongful death where another cop shot someone. The police department lost that case and 6 million dollars. She attempted to cover it up. The police should have settled instead of her weak attempts at defense. Furthermore, to plead the fifth in court iIn other words she should not be a cop in any jurisdiction. 

Looks like she got a promotion:

She is now inspector.


Black and a woman. Who else better to promote? You get dubil plus affirmative action points for the win.
 
2012-12-09 04:00:06 PM
Well if they want" ranson" they will never get it, because it doesn't exist.
 
2012-12-09 04:06:03 PM

Benjimin_Dover: Black and a woman. Who else better to promote? You get dubil plus affirmative action points for the win.


That white cop is black?

You'd better avoid Zebra Crossings.
 
2012-12-09 04:08:02 PM

Benjimin_Dover: Because People in power are Stupid: Sorry for the EyeBleach:



This is Lt Vicki Yost who was the senior officer responsible for the raid.

She previously pled the 5th regarding a wrongful death where another cop shot someone. The police department lost that case and 6 million dollars. She attempted to cover it up. The police should have settled instead of her weak attempts at defense. Furthermore, to plead the fifth in court iIn other words she should not be a cop in any jurisdiction. 

Looks like she got a promotion:

She is now inspector.

Black and a woman. Who else better to promote? You get dubil plus affirmative action points for the win.


If that isn't a trolling comment, it's one of the dumbest I've seen in awhile
 
2012-12-09 04:08:55 PM

Benjimin_Dover: Because People in power are Stupid: Sorry for the EyeBleach:



This is Lt Vicki Yost who was the senior officer responsible for the raid.

She previously pled the 5th regarding a wrongful death where another cop shot someone. The police department lost that case and 6 million dollars. She attempted to cover it up. The police should have settled instead of her weak attempts at defense. Furthermore, to plead the fifth in court iIn other words she should not be a cop in any jurisdiction. 

Looks like she got a promotion:

She is now inspector.

Black and a woman. Who else better to promote? You get dubil plus affirmative action points for the win.


That police lady is black?
 
2012-12-09 04:09:52 PM

Benjimin_Dover: Black and a woman. Who else better to promote? You get dubil plus affirmative action points for the win.


Uh.... Hate to break it to ya, but I think Yost is the not-so-black "wo"man in the uniform.
 
2012-12-09 04:10:49 PM

ZAZ: The judge's opinion is linked from http://www.aclumich.org/CAID.

There is some risk that it will be reversed on appeal. While patrons are not responsible for asking to see the liquor license, an appeals court could decide the totality of the circumstances raised enough suspicion to hold them responsible. Once you say they should have known the party was illegal, the vehicle forfeiture becomes legal.

The complaint alleged excessive force by arresting officers. They knew it was one of eight officers, but were "unable to identify the specific officers who allegedly engaged in excessive force." So they lost. That reminds of a case from my area. Police stole valuable jewelry from a guy they arrested. The thief was one of a few known arresting officers, but each of them denied all knowledge. There is no government liability for theft from a prisoner here. ("Detention of goods" exception.) You have to name the specific officer responsible.


So hostage taking and extortion are legal in Detroit?
 
2012-12-09 04:12:16 PM

filter: What do the suburbs have to do with anything?


Did a quick check and noticed you were from Europe so here's a little bit about America for you:

Detroit is without a doubt the most racially polarized major city in the US. The city of Detroit is over 80% black with a median household income of $25,000 a year. The suburbs tend to be overwhelmingly white with a few exceptions (notably Southfield at 70% black and Inkster at 73% black) and very affluent (particularly Oakland County, 75% white and median household income of $75,000 a year and the Grosse Pointe cities which are all around 80% white with median household incomes of around $90,000 a year). The northern boundary of Detroit, 8 Mile Road, is a very clear dividing line between wealthy suburbs and the poor city.

There's a long history in Detroit of all sorts of problems, racial and otherwise. Coleman Young was mayor for 20 years and made a career of anti-white racial animosity. The city council today still has distrust of white suburbanites permeating attempts at deals within the city. White suburbanites frequently irrationally fear going into Detroit, even the revitalized downtown area, because of race-based fears.

Detroit also has a longstanding problem between an over-aggressive and under-funded police department (which has a predominately black leadership but a predominately white rank-and-file). They've had supervision both by the State Police and FBI in recent years for civil rights and other abuses. The people of Detroit, being largely poorly educated, poorly connected, and financially poor generally aren't able to avail themselves of legal assistance. The suburbanites, though, tend to be well educated, well connected, and financially well off.
 
2012-12-09 04:14:45 PM

RedVentrue: ZAZ: The judge's opinion is linked from http://www.aclumich.org/CAID.

There is some risk that it will be reversed on appeal. While patrons are not responsible for asking to see the liquor license, an appeals court could decide the totality of the circumstances raised enough suspicion to hold them responsible. Once you say they should have known the party was illegal, the vehicle forfeiture becomes legal.

The complaint alleged excessive force by arresting officers. They knew it was one of eight officers, but were "unable to identify the specific officers who allegedly engaged in excessive force." So they lost. That reminds of a case from my area. Police stole valuable jewelry from a guy they arrested. The thief was one of a few known arresting officers, but each of them denied all knowledge. There is no government liability for theft from a prisoner here. ("Detention of goods" exception.) You have to name the specific officer responsible.

So hostage taking and extortion are legal in Detroit?


Only when the circumstances prevent the victims from positively identifying the officers.
 
2012-12-09 04:15:21 PM

meanmutton: filter: What do the suburbs have to do with anything?

Did a quick check and noticed you were from Europe so here's a little bit about America for you:

Detroit is without a doubt the most racially polarized major city in the US. The city of Detroit is over 80% black with a median household income of $25,000 a year. The suburbs tend to be overwhelmingly white with a few exceptions (notably Southfield at 70% black and Inkster at 73% black) and very affluent (particularly Oakland County, 75% white and median household income of $75,000 a year and the Grosse Pointe cities which are all around 80% white with median household incomes of around $90,000 a year). The northern boundary of Detroit, 8 Mile Road, is a very clear dividing line between wealthy suburbs and the poor city.

There's a long history in Detroit of all sorts of problems, racial and otherwise. Coleman Young was mayor for 20 years and made a career of anti-white racial animosity. The city council today still has distrust of white suburbanites permeating attempts at deals within the city. White suburbanites frequently irrationally fear going into Detroit, even the revitalized downtown area, because of race-based fears.

Detroit also has a longstanding problem between an over-aggressive and under-funded police department (which has a predominately black leadership but a predominately white rank-and-file). They've had supervision both by the State Police and FBI in recent years for civil rights and other abuses. The people of Detroit, being largely poorly educated, poorly connected, and financially poor generally aren't able to avail themselves of legal assistance. The suburbanites, though, tend to be well educated, well connected, and financially well off.


The sad thing is that you can switch out Detroit with St. Louis and it sounds very similar.

Although we never had any anti-white politicians in office in St. Louis in the same fashion that Coleman Young was. But the white flight and racial animosity is alive and well here too. Although we're in slightly better shape than Detroit.
 
2012-12-09 04:19:49 PM
www.lastexittonowhere.com

/hot
 
2012-12-09 04:20:34 PM

gweilo8888: Benjimin_Dover: Black and a woman. Who else better to promote? You get dubil plus affirmative action points for the win.

Uh.... Hate to break it to ya, but I think Yost is the not-so-black "wo"man in the uniform.


I thought that was a dude who needed a haircut.
 
2012-12-09 04:21:56 PM

edmo: And people claim unions ruined Detroit...


It's as if the police don't have a union that protects them when they farkup.
 
2012-12-09 04:22:14 PM

Ed Willy: leevis: Lionel Mandrake: And this is why I've been a card-carrying member for 14 years.

Suck it, haters.

Does that card somehow entitle you to special treatment or something?

It's evidence of doing a lot more for the cause of liberty than posting shiat on the Internet


Oh snap!
 
2012-12-09 04:24:26 PM

AcneVulgaris: edmo: And people claim unions ruined Detroit...

It's as if the police don't have a union that protects them when they farkup.


I wish those construction unions would stop protecting their members after they go around killing people with jackhammers and harassing the public with framing hammers.
 
2012-12-09 04:32:59 PM
That does it.

Even if I get invited to Detroit to pick up the Nobel Prize for Fewest Fark Greenlights, I'm not going. 

blog.thedetroithub.com

He/she is kinda hot. Probably likes to dress up to go to court.
 
2012-12-09 04:35:24 PM
Concidering the contitutional rights classes that I have to take every year as part of my job requirements, I would say that if we (me and my fellow officers) did this to those we are resposible for policing, the state of MN would tell us to take a hike and so would our union. This is exactly the kind of stuff that they use as an example of what not to do.

/ not a police officer though
//everyone is already deemed guilty
///still have to follow the same rules
 
2012-12-09 04:37:33 PM

foxtail: Concidering the contitutional rights classes that I have to take every year as part of my job requirements, I would say that if we (me and my fellow officers) did this to those we are resposible for policing, the state of MN would tell us to take a hike and so would our union. This is exactly the kind of stuff that they use as an example of what not to do.

/ not a police officer though
//everyone is already deemed guilty
///still have to follow the same rules


MN always seemed like a reasonable state to me.

I'd move there if it wasn't freezing 9 months out of the year.
 
2012-12-09 04:38:22 PM

Mrtraveler01: meanmutton: filter: What do the suburbs have to do with anything?

Did a quick check and noticed you were from Europe so here's a little bit about America for you:

Detroit is without a doubt the most racially polarized major city in the US. The city of Detroit is over 80% black with a median household income of $25,000 a year. The suburbs tend to be overwhelmingly white with a few exceptions (notably Southfield at 70% black and Inkster at 73% black) and very affluent (particularly Oakland County, 75% white and median household income of $75,000 a year and the Grosse Pointe cities which are all around 80% white with median household incomes of around $90,000 a year). The northern boundary of Detroit, 8 Mile Road, is a very clear dividing line between wealthy suburbs and the poor city.

There's a long history in Detroit of all sorts of problems, racial and otherwise. Coleman Young was mayor for 20 years and made a career of anti-white racial animosity. The city council today still has distrust of white suburbanites permeating attempts at deals within the city. White suburbanites frequently irrationally fear going into Detroit, even the revitalized downtown area, because of race-based fears.

Detroit also has a longstanding problem between an over-aggressive and under-funded police department (which has a predominately black leadership but a predominately white rank-and-file). They've had supervision both by the State Police and FBI in recent years for civil rights and other abuses. The people of Detroit, being largely poorly educated, poorly connected, and financially poor generally aren't able to avail themselves of legal assistance. The suburbanites, though, tend to be well educated, well connected, and financially well off.

The sad thing is that you can switch out Detroit with St. Louis and it sounds very similar.

..


And Milwaukee. And Chicago. And a host of other Midwest cities.

As far as race goes, Metro Milwaukee still looks like South Africa before the end of Apartheid. The racial history of the urban Midwest is ugly, very ugly.
 
2012-12-09 04:39:26 PM

FunkOut: AcneVulgaris: edmo: And people claim unions ruined Detroit...

It's as if the police don't have a union that protects them when they farkup.

I wish those construction unions would stop protecting their members after they go around killing people with jackhammers and harassing the public with framing hammers.


you mean like the union workers in NYC (and many others) who take 'liquid lunches' before heading back on to multi-ton machinery? Yeah, they never get protected by the unions.
 
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