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(Daily Kos)   1956 was a magical time in American history. Elvis was on top of the charts, the first airborne hydrogen bomb was dropped on Bikini Atoll, and Republicans backed medicare and union rights...Wait, what?   (dailykos.com) divider line 156
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2012-12-09 11:08:52 AM  
Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the Republican party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.
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The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom.... I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in 'A,' 'B,' 'C,' and 'D.' Just who do they think they are?... I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism."

- Barry Goldwater
 
2012-12-09 11:45:15 AM  

Majick Thise: Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the Republican party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.
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The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom.... I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in 'A,' 'B,' 'C,' and 'D.' Just who do they think they are?... I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism."

- Barry Goldwater


Oh, he's right up there with that nutjob Eisenhower for the tin foil doom-and-gloom. Religious Right? Military-Industrial Complex? Who could believe either of these fringe amateurs.
 
2012-12-09 11:59:59 AM  
Republicans used to back a lot of sane things. And not that long ago. If you want a hoot, the Dole/Kemp campaign website is still active. Go read their environmental policy statement. It would be savaged today as anti-business, anti-jobs, liberal heresy by the modern day Republican party. Hell, Nixon would be considered a tree-hugging, hacky sack kicking hippie by today's standards.
 
2012-12-09 12:01:46 PM  
Yes, and Democrats opposed civil rights and were staunchly conservative for the next decade after that, as evidenced by the Southern Manifesto.

The modern parties don't look anything like they did even a generation ago, and that's the truth.
 
2012-12-09 12:07:13 PM  
There is nothing conservative about the modern republican party.
 
2012-12-09 12:10:44 PM  
Yes, respectable people with non-batshiat ideas once had a place in the GOP.

Not any more.
 
2012-12-09 12:14:04 PM  
The minute the Republicans hitch their wagon to the States Rights South, all their reasonableness starts leaving the argument. In comes the Religious Right, in come the racism codewords. Nixon was front and center in enabling this. The fact he was pro DEA, pro J Edgar Hoover FBI were other big flaws. Republicans, really, quit being the party of reasonable moderate pro business but also pro civil rights the minute Eisenhower leaves office, and the minute the Rockefeller wing of the party gets subsumed under a whole mess of Southern Strategy.
 
2012-12-09 12:14:05 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Yes, and

southern Democrats opposed civil rights and were staunchly conservative for the next decade after that, as evidenced by the Southern Manifesto.

ftfy

The civil rights fight was north vs. south, not Republican vs. Democrat.

i159.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-09 12:15:45 PM  
The Dems get critiqued by the GOP for enticing people to vote for them - but that's how politics works, as evidenced by this history before us.

The GOP's biggest problem today is that rather than trying to entice people to vote for them by representing the interests of various factions, they limit themselves to current ideology (small tent) and insist that voters convert to it.
 
2012-12-09 12:34:51 PM  
Ah, good times. Back when the GOP wasn't concerned with recruiting religious fundamentalists and southern Dixiecrats disenfranchised by their party support of Civil Rights.
 
2012-12-09 01:00:39 PM  

Howie Spankowitz: Nixon would be considered a tree-hugging, hacky sack kicking hippie by today's standards.


As the old Vulcan proverb says, only Nixon could go to Cheater China.
 
2012-12-09 01:45:42 PM  

BronyMedic: Ah, good times. Back when the GOP wasn't concerned with recruiting religious fundamentalists and southern Dixiecrats disenfranchised by their party support of Civil Rights.


I just can't bring myself to give a damn about gay marriage. i'm not gay, it won't cost me any money and...hey, I might get invited to the wedding, so there's always the possibility of a VERY well done reception with good food.
 
2012-12-09 01:51:22 PM  
It's clear from Scripture that Jesus didn't need weapons because He had at His disposal an angelic host that could flatten armies.

Jesus didn't need a gun because he has magical angel bombs.

QED, motherfarkers.
 
2012-12-09 02:00:13 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Yes, and Democrats opposed civil rights and were staunchly conservative for the next decade after that, as evidenced by the Southern Manifesto.


In other words, no matter when in our history, whoever aligns themselves with the southern states are on the wrong side of history.
 
2012-12-09 02:03:46 PM  

weave: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Yes, and Democrats opposed civil rights and were staunchly conservative for the next decade after that, as evidenced by the Southern Manifesto.

In other words, no matter when in our history, whoever aligns themselves with the southern states are on the wrong side of history.


THIS. Much stupid resides there.
 
2012-12-09 02:12:20 PM  

bronyaur1: weave: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Yes, and Democrats opposed civil rights and were staunchly conservative for the next decade after that, as evidenced by the Southern Manifesto.

In other words, no matter when in our history, whoever aligns themselves with the southern states are on the wrong side of history.

THIS. Much stupid resides there.


If you pander to southern white racist voters, and you can't win elections without them, pretty much this.

Yes, there are white racist voters everywhere. But a concentration of them is deep in the heart of Dixie, running in a line from east Texas on over to the Appalachians and up to West Virginia. To get elected there you fly the stars and bars, you talk a lot about States Rights, and whatever you do its on your watch that Freedom will be Defended. Freedom to make everyone else be like you.
 
2012-12-09 02:20:04 PM  
Back when Republicans understood the value of an economy that worked for everyone and not just for the billionaires who put together the Super PACs that decide elections?

Good times. Good times.

Whatever happened to those guys?
 
2012-12-09 02:36:11 PM  
This is before the Republican Party turned into an outright Theocratic party, and decided that appealing to scared racists in the South was their future.
 
2012-12-09 02:37:02 PM  

Weaver95: I just can't bring myself to give a damn about gay marriage. i'm not gay, it won't cost me any money and...hey, I might get invited to the wedding, so there's always the possibility of a VERY well done reception with good food.


You're the libbiest liberal on FARK, Weaver. I am appalled with your lack of concern for such a serious social issue.

Gay men deserve every chance to be just as miserable as their straight and bisexual counterparts in the holy institution of marriage.

quatchi: Whatever happened to those guys?


The Southern Strategy happened.
 
2012-12-09 02:38:03 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Yes, and southern Democrats opposed civil rights and were staunchly conservative for the next decade after that, as evidenced by the Southern Manifesto.

ftfy

The civil rights fight was north vs. south, not Republican vs. Democrat.

[i159.photobucket.com image 275x228]


thank you
And then parties split, south vs north, white slave owner vs everyone else.
Recently, the disenfranchised, radical religious joined them, and it is all over for the GOP.
 
2012-12-09 02:38:36 PM  
So, are Democrats pro union rights or worker's rights? Because personally, I have always been for workers' rights, and consider myself fairly conservative (for a libertarian). I have for a while considered both parties wrong on this issue. There shouldn't be a focus on either management or the unions, but the symbiotic relationship that must exist for both to prosper. Due to the effects of globalization, though, management has had an upper hand since the 80's. This can't exist forever, because the third world is modernizing, and will demand higher wages as well.
 
2012-12-09 02:39:28 PM  

BronyMedic: The Southern Strategy happened.


I love that the racists left the DEMS.
I love that all the minorities left the GOP.

It is almost a perfect alignment. Alas, this also leads to civil wars.
 
2012-12-09 02:43:40 PM  
1956 was a magical time in American history. Elvis was on top of the charts, the first airborne hydrogen bomb was dropped on Bikini Atoll, and Republicans backed medicare and union rights...Wait, what?

i212.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-09 02:56:52 PM  

SnarfVader: 1956 was a magical time in American history. Elvis was on top of the charts, the first airborne hydrogen bomb was dropped on Bikini Atoll, and Republicans backed medicare and union rights...Wait, what?

[i212.photobucket.com image 252x295]


www.rebelart.net

Spongebob did not do well that day.
 
2012-12-09 03:03:01 PM  
I don't think you have the right year or Atoll. Anyway..
upload.wikimedia.org

I'm not posting political sh*t, I just love this huge photo of ships getting all f*cked up
Here's a better one
 
2012-12-09 03:34:42 PM  

violentsalvation: I don't think you have the right year or Atoll. Anyway..
[upload.wikimedia.org image 763x600]

I'm not posting political sh*t, I just love this huge photo of ships getting all f*cked up
Here's a better one


Thanks I have a new background
 
2012-12-09 03:37:13 PM  

quatchi: Back when Republicans understood the value of an economy that worked for everyone and not just for the billionaires who put together the Super PACs that decide elections?

Good times. Good times.

Whatever happened to those guys?


They run for office within the DNC now. On the other hand, I have no idea what happened to all the true Liberals.
 
2012-12-09 04:00:33 PM  

TheAuldTriangle: So, are Democrats pro union rights or worker's rights?


Not so much, so far as I've noticed.
 
2012-12-09 04:01:40 PM  

TheAuldTriangle: So, are Democrats pro union rights or worker's rights? Because personally, I have always been for workers' rights, and consider myself fairly conservative (for a libertarian). I have for a while considered both parties wrong on this issue. There shouldn't be a focus on either management or the unions, but the symbiotic relationship that must exist for both to prosper. Due to the effects of globalization, though, management has had an upper hand since the 80's. This can't exist forever, because the third world is modernizing, and will demand higher wages as well.


home.comcast.net
 
2012-12-09 04:10:43 PM  

TheAuldTriangle: So, are Democrats pro union rights or worker's rights? Because personally, I have always been for workers' rights, and consider myself fairly conservative (for a libertarian). I have for a while considered both parties wrong on this issue. There shouldn't be a focus on either management or the unions, but the symbiotic relationship that must exist for both to prosper. Due to the effects of globalization, though, management has had an upper hand since the 80's. This can't exist forever, because the third world is modernizing, and will demand higher wages as well.


Globalization can't drive down wages and the standard of living in first world countries forever, but I'm sure it'll last long enough to impact both of our entire lives.

China gets too expensive, they move to Vietnam. Vietnam gets too expensive, they move to Myanmar. Then Pakistan. Bangladesh. Kenya. Sierra Leone. Lesotho.

There are lots of low-wage nations out there.
 
2012-12-09 04:14:24 PM  

Majick Thise: Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the Republican party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.
.....
The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom.... I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in 'A,' 'B,' 'C,' and 'D.' Just who do they think they are?... I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism."

- Barry Goldwater


Fark that guy right in the ear. He's the guy responsible for taking the GOP hard right in the first place and pandering to the so-called "low information voters." Goldwater was the RON PAUL! of his generation except he actually managed to get himself nominated. He was the Derpfather, and I hold him ppersonally responsible for the Reagan administration.
 
2012-12-09 04:16:37 PM  
1956 was a magical an overrated time in American history

Magically.
 
2012-12-09 04:17:16 PM  

James F. Campbell: [home.comcast.net image 850x637]


This is what always puzzled me about the old "rising tide lifts all boats" line -- doesn't helping the bottom 80-90% lift the "boats" for the top 5-10%? Why is it being used to justify supply-side policy? Supply side policy in this metaphor would be raising the multi-million-dollar yachts while the houseboats and rafts that the rest of us live in are left behind.
 
2012-12-09 04:22:24 PM  

violentsalvation: I don't think you have the right year or Atoll. Anyway..
[upload.wikimedia.org image 763x600]

I'm not posting political sh*t, I just love this huge photo of ships getting all f*cked up
Here's a better one


Oh yeah. Atmospheric testing of atomic weapons.... good times. Underground too.

/Dugway downwinder.
//far enough downwind, maybe
 
2012-12-09 04:23:04 PM  

Arkanaut: This is what always puzzled me about the old "rising tide lifts all boats" line -- doesn't helping the bottom 80-90% lift the "boats" for the top 5-10%? Why is it being used to justify supply-side policy? Supply side policy in this metaphor would be raising the multi-million-dollar yachts while the houseboats and rafts that the rest of us live in are left behind.


Conservatives don't actually care about lifting all boats. They care about making it seem like they carea bout lifting all boats when, in actuality, they are robbing everyone blind.

It's about winning. It isn't about having, it's about taking. Nothing more, nothing less. Even though everyone -- including the rich -- would be better off living the "rising tide lifts all boats" philosophy, they don't care; they will eat the loss as long as it means that everyone else has nothing.
 
2012-12-09 04:26:24 PM  
Last week my father told me that the Republicans were too centrist, and that Glenn Beck was a liberal. He followed that up with a claim that the Republicans were where the Democrats were in the 70's and the Democrats were where Stalin was in the 1920's.

/My father's a freeper.
 
2012-12-09 04:26:58 PM  
As a Southern liberal, it really pisses me off that the derp in my region utterly destroyed the reason of a political party.
 
2012-12-09 04:29:08 PM  

James F. Campbell: TheAuldTriangle: So, are Democrats pro union rights or worker's rights? Because personally, I have always been for workers' rights, and consider myself fairly conservative (for a libertarian). I have for a while considered both parties wrong on this issue. There shouldn't be a focus on either management or the unions, but the symbiotic relationship that must exist for both to prosper. Due to the effects of globalization, though, management has had an upper hand since the 80's. This can't exist forever, because the third world is modernizing, and will demand higher wages as well.

[home.comcast.net image 850x637]


Is that for them or in general?
 
2012-12-09 04:29:31 PM  

Exception Collection: He followed that up with a claim that the Republicans were where the Democrats were in the 70's and the Democrats were where Stalin was in the 1920's.



God it takes some serious cognitive dysfunction to believe that.
 
2012-12-09 04:30:08 PM  
Let's not forget the good 'ole 80's, when Saint Reagan backed raising taxes on the rich...
 
2012-12-09 04:32:25 PM  

mediablitz: Let's not forget the good 'ole 80's, when Saint Reagan backed raising taxes on the rich...


The 80s were my 50s. One big long John Hughesian nightmare of Suburbia and Republicans.
 
2012-12-09 04:33:40 PM  

Weaver95: BronyMedic: Ah, good times. Back when the GOP wasn't concerned with recruiting religious fundamentalists and southern Dixiecrats disenfranchised by their party support of Civil Rights.

I just can't bring myself to give a damn about gay marriage. i'm not gay, it won't cost me any money and...hey, I might get invited to the wedding, so there's always the possibility of a VERY well done reception with good food.


And if you make any moves on any female, you know that they know you're not gay and you've got a bedmate for that night.
 
2012-12-09 04:34:11 PM  

whidbey: mediablitz: Let's not forget the good 'ole 80's, when Saint Reagan backed raising taxes on the rich...

The 80s were my 50s. One big long John Hughesian nightmare of Suburbia and Republicans.


Let's not forget the Moral Majority and their accomplishments or the completely and utterly ridiculous mass hysteria over Satan worship and child abuse.
 
2012-12-09 04:35:54 PM  

whidbey: God it takes some serious cognitive dysfunction to believe that.


I know. I get worried sometimes.
 
2012-12-09 04:43:36 PM  

Arkanaut: James F. Campbell: [home.comcast.net image 850x637]

This is what always puzzled me about the old "rising tide lifts all boats" line -- doesn't helping the bottom 80-90% lift the "boats" for the top 5-10%? Why is it being used to justify supply-side policy? Supply side policy in this metaphor would be raising the multi-million-dollar yachts while the houseboats and rafts that the rest of us live in are left behind.


No no you misunderstand. See when a mega millionaire buy a huge farking monster yacht it displaces enough water to raise the sea level around it. So mega millionaires buying monster boats creates a 'tide' so to speak for all the poor people and their poorer boats to rise on. This rising of the sea level has many people erroneously convinced that some kind of global warming trend is responsible and has created all sorts of green jobs around the world. So you see by giving the super rich tax breaks and even more of our wealth so they can buy BIG HONKIN' Boats) we do have a 'rising tide that lifts all boats' by creating all these new jobs. Ergo tax breaks for some, itty bitty rowboats for everyone else and all our problems will be cured.
 
2012-12-09 04:45:19 PM  

mediablitz: Let's not forget the good 'ole 80's, when Saint Reagan backed raising taxes on the rich...


The actor?!
 
2012-12-09 04:48:53 PM  

Majick Thise: Arkanaut: James F. Campbell: [home.comcast.net image 850x637]

This is what always puzzled me about the old "rising tide lifts all boats" line -- doesn't helping the bottom 80-90% lift the "boats" for the top 5-10%? Why is it being used to justify supply-side policy? Supply side policy in this metaphor would be raising the multi-million-dollar yachts while the houseboats and rafts that the rest of us live in are left behind.

No no you misunderstand. See when a mega millionaire buy a huge farking monster yacht it displaces enough water to raise the sea level around it. So mega millionaires buying monster boats creates a 'tide' so to speak for all the poor people and their poorer boats to rise on. This rising of the sea level has many people erroneously convinced that some kind of global warming trend is responsible and has created all sorts of green jobs around the world. So you see by giving the super rich tax breaks and even more of our wealth so they can buy BIG HONKIN' Boats) we do have a 'rising tide that lifts all boats' by creating all these new jobs. Ergo tax breaks for some, itty bitty rowboats for everyone else and all our problems will be cured.


Wait a minute. Does this mean millionaires caused Hurricane Sandy and the Sendai tsunami? Those bastards!
 
2012-12-09 04:50:36 PM  

Arkanaut: James F. Campbell: [home.comcast.net image 850x637]

This is what always puzzled me about the old "rising tide lifts all boats" line -- doesn't helping the bottom 80-90% lift the "boats" for the top 5-10%? Why is it being used to justify supply-side policy? Supply side policy in this metaphor would be raising the multi-million-dollar yachts while the houseboats and rafts that the rest of us live in are left behind.


It's sustainable, yes. Making sure your employees are all doing well so they can all be customers is a very good thing overall. Thing is, the asshole who clear-cuts and strip mines will make the most, and our asshole psychopathic business 'leaders' all want to be 'that guy'.
 
2012-12-09 04:52:47 PM  

MooseUpNorth: Thing is, the asshole who clear-cuts and strip mines will make the most, and our asshole psychopathic business 'leaders' all want to be 'that guy'.


Besides if we don't China will. Amirite?
 
2012-12-09 04:54:11 PM  

MooseUpNorth: our asshole psychopathic business 'leaders' all want to be 'that guy'.


images.wikia.com?

We should be so lucky; they'd all get bone-itis and die horrible, suffering deaths.
 
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