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2012-12-09 07:25:47 PM  
6 votes:

bhcompy: jaytkay: bhcompy: Obamacare doomed the HMO my grandparents had through their employer.

How?

Massive cost increases year after year since the signing of the bill caused a mass reduction in people opting for the HMO which caused the company to lose justification of having that as an option because of the expense. From a coverage perspective, premiums increased, items covered dropped, and the prescription drug plan was gutted. That said, it was still the best option for people that were looking to manage costs(rather than premium costs)


Massive cost increases brought on by them not being able to cap medical costs the way they used to... your parents didn't actually have insurance before, they had a limited liability plan masquerading as insurance.
2012-12-09 11:36:11 AM  
5 votes:

Doctor Funkenstein: There's also this gem in there:

I don't want Medicare for my kids or me! We have autoimmune disease and I don't want the government involved in their healthcare at all. I want to be able to afford continuing to take my oldest son who's disease is more severe to a naturopath so he can keep using low dose naltrexone. His immunologist refuses to prescribe it for him, but it helps him so much! Personally, I worry about Obama causing restricted or no access to immune modulators or off label uses for medicine like this. I honestly wish one of his daughters got autism or PANDAS, because then he would understand how hard it is.


abovethelaw.com 

Ugh. A low-dose naltrexone truther.

Yeah, thank God her "naturopath" has thrown loose the shackles of Big Pharma by off-label prescribing a synthetic drug made for heroin addicts to her son because he's fat and plays video games all day.
2012-12-09 10:56:43 AM  
5 votes:
FTFA's Coments: We are careful not to use the words health, healthcare, treat, disease, etc. for fear of stepping on the toes of big business.

I'm guessing you loons don't use those words because you don't do any of those things and there are probably some legal consequences when you draw a circle on a sick person's forehead, stick a magnet up their ass and then tell them its healthcare.

There's also this gem in there:

I don't want Medicare for my kids or me! We have autoimmune disease and I don't want the government involved in their healthcare at all. I want to be able to afford continuing to take my oldest son who's disease is more severe to a naturopath so he can keep using low dose naltrexone. His immunologist refuses to prescribe it for him, but it helps him so much! Personally, I worry about Obama causing restricted or no access to immune modulators or off label uses for medicine like this. I honestly wish one of his daughters got autism or PANDAS, because then he would understand how hard it is.

If this gets greenlit, maybe we can use the followup tag when the article about this kid dying gets submitted.
2012-12-09 10:32:08 AM  
5 votes:
Good.

It's quack medicine.
2012-12-09 10:04:11 PM  
4 votes:

Raharu: FunkOut: Quantum Apostrophe: FunkOut: Yes, homeopathy is a hoax which means massage never works and you can eat buckets of any herb you want without having any effect.

Uh, what?

Same thing I keep hearing, anytime anyone mention alternative medicine, a bunch of people go "LOL that's homeopathy and it's all a fake scam to steal moneys from stupid people". Also, that all herbal medicine is fake and has no effect on people. Then some go on to say that you should just take some painkillers if your back hurts instead of getting the lumps massaged out of your muscles or using an infrared heat lamp to to relieve lower back pain or some other method that doesn't involve more pain pills.

You are of course aware that some maladies and injuries of the spine cant be treated with massages and a heat lamp right?

If you want to talk about about doctors over prescribing pain killers that a valid topic, but lets not try to paint modern medicines in the light you are, as horrible and evil.


You massage my damaged spine, you may end up with me not walking again. I don't choose to take these heavy opiates for FUN (no happy side effects despite high dosage, my body just doesn't work that way), I take them so I am not screaming in agony. So I can work part time despite constant pain even the drugs cannot fully remove. And no water dose is going to cure me unless I drown myself to make it stop. Heat does help, yay heat pads. But as an alleviation only. CBT is incredibly helpful in allowing me to cope. But those expensive 'naughty big pharma' drugs are a necessary part of my management solution. Incredibly patronising of someone, who I bet hasn't got a severe spinal injury, to weigh in with their expert opinion (odd he/she failed to mention their medical qualifications and years of specialization in spinal injurys and management). But thanks to those who stepped in and pointed out he/she may be wrong. I just think he/she is an option acted ass. Donkey, natch;)
2012-12-09 08:44:14 PM  
4 votes:

FunkOut: Quantum Apostrophe: FunkOut: Yes, homeopathy is a hoax which means massage never works and you can eat buckets of any herb you want without having any effect.

Uh, what?

Same thing I keep hearing, anytime anyone mention alternative medicine, a bunch of people go "LOL that's homeopathy and it's all a fake scam to steal moneys from stupid people". Also, that all herbal medicine is fake and has no effect on people. Then some go on to say that you should just take some painkillers if your back hurts instead of getting the lumps massaged out of your muscles or using an infrared heat lamp to to relieve lower back pain or some other method that doesn't involve more pain pills.


You are of course aware that some maladies and injuries of the spine cant be treated with massages and a heat lamp right?

If you want to talk about about doctors over prescribing pain killers that a valid topic, but lets not try to paint modern medicines in the light you are, as horrible and evil.
2012-12-09 11:02:22 AM  
4 votes:

Doctor Funkenstein: FTFA's Coments: We are careful not to use the words health, healthcare, treat, disease, etc. for fear of stepping on the toes of big business.

I'm guessing you loons don't use those words because you don't do any of those things and there are probably some legal consequences when you draw a circle on a sick person's forehead, stick a magnet up their ass and then tell them its healthcare.

There's also this gem in there:

I don't want Medicare for my kids or me! We have autoimmune disease and I don't want the government involved in their healthcare at all. I want to be able to afford continuing to take my oldest son who's disease is more severe to a naturopath so he can keep using low dose naltrexone. His immunologist refuses to prescribe it for him, but it helps him so much! Personally, I worry about Obama causing restricted or no access to immune modulators or off label uses for medicine like this. I honestly wish one of his daughters got autism or PANDAS, because then he would understand how hard it is.

If this gets greenlit, maybe we can use the followup tag when the article about this kid dying gets submitted.


I hope it goes green. AltMed threads on fark are legendary for derp that rivals any political thread about the gay atheist agenda for war on Christmas.
2012-12-09 10:14:34 PM  
3 votes:

FunkOut: Quantum Apostrophe: FunkOut: Yes, homeopathy is a hoax which means massage never works and you can eat buckets of any herb you want without having any effect.

Uh, what?

Same thing I keep hearing, anytime anyone mention alternative medicine, a bunch of people go "LOL that's homeopathy and it's all a fake scam to steal moneys from stupid people". Also, that all herbal medicine is fake and has no effect on people. Then some go on to say that you should just take some painkillers if your back hurts instead of getting the lumps massaged out of your muscles or using an infrared heat lamp to to relieve lower back pain or some other method that doesn't involve more pain pills.


How long have you been a practicing anesthesiologist or back specialist? Spinal stenosis, and a whole host of other disorders and procedures, is not something you can treat with a heating pad and a rub and tug, you granola-munching twat.
2012-12-09 07:30:36 PM  
3 votes:

Uchiha_Cycliste: MaxSupernova: Here is a gem that came across my wife's Facebook feed that she was kind enough to share with me.

Well my son, ________ was hit by the flu epidemic today. I am so thankful we didn't get him vaccinated by big pharma!

She is an anti-vaccine person. My wife and I have been so confused by this comment.....

You gotta remember that these people are absolutely retarded. they have no concept of causality, no appreciation of science or the scientific method and no understanding of the mechanisms by which the world works. In their minds they think that everything they say makes sense, because they think it. I'll try better to explain what I mean... since causality is right out the window, anything can be caused by and explained by anything else. All that matters is that they believe it while they are saying it. Remember when Palin would talk and everything she said was garbled stupidity, ut you could tell she absolutely believed what she was saying at the moment? it's like that. It's: I have this thought, because I have this thought it must be true, otherwise I wouldn't have this thought. And not being constrained by reality, medicine, math or science they can say anything.

Does that make sense at all?


I've noticed this and thought about this. It makes me think that some people operate on a different level of consciousness/self awareness. I honestly think that these people experience life more like how my dog does than how I do. No reflection or introspection, mostly just pure stimulus response.
2012-12-09 07:05:10 PM  
3 votes:

MaxSupernova: Here is a gem that came across my wife's Facebook feed that she was kind enough to share with me.

Well my son, ________ was hit by the flu epidemic today. I am so thankful we didn't get him vaccinated by big pharma!

She is an anti-vaccine person. My wife and I have been so confused by this comment.....


You gotta remember that these people are absolutely retarded. they have no concept of causality, no appreciation of science or the scientific method and no understanding of the mechanisms by which the world works. In their minds they think that everything they say makes sense, because they think it. I'll try better to explain what I mean... since causality is right out the window, anything can be caused by and explained by anything else. All that matters is that they believe it while they are saying it. Remember when Palin would talk and everything she said was garbled stupidity, ut you could tell she absolutely believed what she was saying at the moment? it's like that. It's: I have this thought, because I have this thought it must be true, otherwise I wouldn't have this thought. And not being constrained by reality, medicine, math or science they can say anything.

Does that make sense at all?
2012-12-09 06:19:16 PM  
3 votes:

Bored Horde: MrEricSir: So I can still go to my barber for bloodletting, but I can't bill it to my insurance anymore?

Funny you bring up bloodletting but one of the hottest trends in sugery right now is to take blood from the Px prior to surgery to minimize the usual problems found with blood donation. Also techniques to recover blood lost during surgery, and reintroducing it into the Px's body. Thank the mormons. Seriously. It's a great development.


It's actually pretty clever. If your patient donates 3-4 weeks before their surgery, and there's a problem during surgery, you give them their own blood back. No problems with reactions, no chance of creating antibodies to cause future problems.
2012-12-09 05:59:11 PM  
3 votes:

AbbeySomeone: F*k this. They want you to buy a policy that limits what you can do or pay a fine? This is extortion.


Are you complaining that medical insurance doesn't cover something that's not medicine?
My medical insurance doesn't cover repairing and replacing my laptop either, the horror!
2012-12-09 05:06:04 PM  
3 votes:
2012-12-09 10:37:06 AM  
3 votes:
So, this is how Democracy dies?

I wanted to be ripped off by some dude calling himself a doctor and selling me vitamins for $300 a pop :(

Damn you Fartbama!
2012-12-09 10:29:36 AM  
3 votes:
A page from the Romney/Scott Cookbook of Big Business, just change the regrettable name to something obscure and SHINEY.
2012-12-09 07:42:07 PM  
2 votes:

DeathByGeekSquad: Raharu: Good.

It's quack medicine.

Actually, good treatments sometimes get categorized as alternative because specific associations would rather take lobby funds than promote health. Specifically, Neurofeedback has long struggled to gain acceptance (but it's gaining), because the Psychiatric community - despite many studies showing excellent results - has shunned it in favor of prescription medication.

It's really a shame, because Neurofeedback - unlike snake oil - actually does work, and has the scientific research to prove it.


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http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/mentserv.html

Neurotherapy

Neurotherapy-also called neurofeedback and EEG neurofeedback-is a form of behavior modification that uses electroencephalographic (EEG) biofeedback technology to increase voluntary control over the amplitude and pattern of various brain wave frequencies. Proponents claim that modifying brain wave patterns is effective against anxiety reactions, mood disorders, substance abuse, attention deficit disorders and various other mental and emotional problems. Research shows that brain wave activity can be altered through various forms of biofeedback. However, a comprehensive review has concluded that none of these claims is supported by well-designed studies [20,21].
2012-12-09 05:32:36 PM  
2 votes:

AbbeySomeone: F*k this. They want you to buy a policy that limits what you can do or pay a fine? This is extortion.


As far as I know, pretty much every policy I've ever gotten for anything limits what I can do under the terms of the policy.
2012-12-09 04:55:51 PM  
2 votes:

AbbeySomeone: F*k this. They want you to buy a policy that limits what you can do or pay a fine? This is extortion.


Just like the whole insurance industry in general!
2012-12-09 12:14:03 PM  
2 votes:
AND WE'VE GONE GREEN!

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BRACE YOURSELVES. WE'RE APPROACHING DERP FACTOR FIVE!

www.shortoftheweek.com

Tell me dear Storm, do you know what we call "alternative medicine" that works? Medicine.
2012-12-09 12:04:22 PM  
2 votes:
application.denofgeek.com


Very funny, and smart man. Has this to say on the subject of "alternative medicine." NSFW, charming Irish swearing
2012-12-09 11:24:25 AM  
2 votes:

BronyMedic: Doctor Funkenstein: FTFA's Coments: We are careful not to use the words health, healthcare, treat, disease, etc. for fear of stepping on the toes of big business.

I'm guessing you loons don't use those words because you don't do any of those things and there are probably some legal consequences when you draw a circle on a sick person's forehead, stick a magnet up their ass and then tell them its healthcare.

There's also this gem in there:

I don't want Medicare for my kids or me! We have autoimmune disease and I don't want the government involved in their healthcare at all. I want to be able to afford continuing to take my oldest son who's disease is more severe to a naturopath so he can keep using low dose naltrexone. His immunologist refuses to prescribe it for him, but it helps him so much! Personally, I worry about Obama causing restricted or no access to immune modulators or off label uses for medicine like this. I honestly wish one of his daughters got autism or PANDAS, because then he would understand how hard it is.

If this gets greenlit, maybe we can use the followup tag when the article about this kid dying gets submitted.

I hope it goes green. AltMed threads on fark are legendary for derp that rivals any political thread about the gay atheist agenda for war on Christmas.


This. You get a nice cross-section of anti-vaxers, homeschool people, and the functionally illiterate, with added anti-ACA derp.

/big pharma doesn't want us to know the truth about tea leaves man!
2012-12-09 10:33:36 AM  
2 votes:
i.qkme.me

Good. What's that sound a duck makes, again? They seem to be talking about "Integrative Medicine" when they say something.
2012-12-10 10:07:59 AM  
1 votes:

FishStampede: Little_Dictator: James Randi on Homeopathy

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Randi is one of those guys who I hate to agree with, because he can make me feel like total idiot for the idiotic things I choose to believe, even though I admitted they were stupid in the first place.


FTFY.
2012-12-09 11:50:02 PM  
1 votes:

BronyMedic: Doctor Funkenstein: FTFA's Coments: We are careful not to use the words health, healthcare, treat, disease, etc. for fear of stepping on the toes of big business.

I'm guessing you loons don't use those words because you don't do any of those things and there are probably some legal consequences when you draw a circle on a sick person's forehead, stick a magnet up their ass and then tell them its healthcare.

There's also this gem in there:

I don't want Medicare for my kids or me! We have autoimmune disease and I don't want the government involved in their healthcare at all. I want to be able to afford continuing to take my oldest son who's disease is more severe to a naturopath so he can keep using low dose naltrexone. His immunologist refuses to prescribe it for him, but it helps him so much! Personally, I worry about Obama causing restricted or no access to immune modulators or off label uses for medicine like this. I honestly wish one of his daughters got autism or PANDAS, because then he would understand how hard it is.

If this gets greenlit, maybe we can use the followup tag when the article about this kid dying gets submitted.

I hope it goes green. AltMed threads on fark are legendary for derp that rivals any political thread about the gay atheist agenda for war on Christmas.


I appreciate the cognitive dissonance required to consider doctors and pharmaceutical companies to be a big scam, but jokers selling snake oil with no credentials and a folksy story about how their shiat works is not
2012-12-09 11:03:00 PM  
1 votes:

gaspode: If this gets greenlit, maybe we can use the followup tag when the article about this kid dying gets submitted.

Chances are they dont have anything much wrong with them, let alone 'We have Autoimmune disease'.. some naturopath/snakeoil salesman is milking them for vast amounts of money after telling them their mild allergies or routine seasonal illnesses are something serious which actual doctors refuse to acknowledge, let alone prescribe heavy drugs for.


THIS.

Speaking as someone who DOES have some sort of adult autoimmune weirdness going on in the family (quite a number of cases of adult-onset type I diabetes, but also at least one case of Guillain-Barre in an uncle as a kid, a possible case of some form of autoimmune colitis, and some (long in remission) neurological weirdness (with paraproteinemia, but not of cancerous origin) in a great-aunt who did require actual immunosuppressives to throw it into remission)...again, I qualify this "naturopath's" claims in the "Where's the herd of Angus because I can smell the bullshiat from here" category:

1) In TRUE autoimmune disorders, you need stuff that's more powerful than microdoses of any drug, and the drugs you have to take tend to fark your shiat up in ways that they don't like to prescribe them unless you have a severe autoimmune disorder. (On the MILD end, you get steroids and maybe interferon--the latter, ironically, to tell your immune system to sit down and drink its goddamn tea; in bad autoimmune disorders you get fun with stuff like cyclosporine and some of the new monoclonal-antibody-based immunosuppressants for stuff like Crohn's or psoriasis or rheumatoid arthritis--and the great-aunt ended up with azathioprine because when she had her autoimmune neuro-wonkiness they had JUST come out with cyclosporine (and azathioprine works because it's a pro-drug to mercaptopurine, an anticancer drug with a known side effect of bone-marrow suppression). The closest thing that exists for "maintenance" therapy outside of the monab-based stuff is with some kids who have very early signs of juvenile-onset type I diabetes who get cyclosporine to keep them from going into full-blown beta-cell wipeout, and even that is very much in the "clinical trial" stages.)

2) As at least one other person in the thread has noted, naltrexone is not an immunodepressant or immunomodulator in any sense of the word--elderberry wine is more of an immunomodulator (at least that has shown some positive results in German trials in calming down a cytokine storm). Naltrexone is an opoid antagonist which was (as another Farker pointed out) originally developed for maintenance therapy of people addicted to opiates like heroin (basically it prevents you from really getting high from shooting up)--nowadays, it's actually much more commonly used in treatment of alcoholism, as it helps folks maintain a desire not to drink (basically it blocks some of the natural opoids the body produces, and produces much more of when one is a chronic alcoholic) without some of the horrid effects of Antabuse. There really is no way it can act as an immunodepressant, and if there was some efficacy in that treatment, it would show the kid had some other disorder altogether (honestly, probably some disorder more amenable to seeing an actual mental health professional).

3) This guy even seems wonky for a naturopath (and there really is no professional certification for naturopathy like there is for even osteopathy in the US; some countries like Germany do license naturopaths as basically herbal-medicine pharmacists and the naturopathic association there does participate in supervised medical trials of herbal medicines, but it is far more regulated than in the US, with the comparison still being much closer to a pharmacist if not a nurse-practitioner). It tends to be unusual for Stateside naturopaths to recommend off-label use of actual pharmaceutical drugs, if only because a lot of naturopaths in the US have a very strong aversion to "allopathic medicine" (that is, normal licensed practice of MDs and DOs).

4) There's a fair amount of woo about low-dose naltrexone on teh intarwebs--which is normally only prescribed off-label by legitimate doctors (MDs and DOs) for maintenance therapy of opoid addicts in recovery and occasionally in fibromyalgia (which at least THAT has some basis, as fibromyalgia is actually a nervous disorder that shows up in the form of pain and naltrexone does have some effect with filamin A and microglial cells--SSRIs tend to be the gold standard for treatment, but naltrexone is being tested in some initial trials as it does seem to dampen some of the inflammatory response in fibromyalgia). There has been some extremely preliminary research re treatment of MS, autism, and Crohn's with LDN, but again this is focusing more on the "calming down the neurotransmitter farkage" aspects and not immunomodulation. 99 44/100% of the woo on the Internet basically has misinterpreted the trials (interestingly, in the same circles which also make the claim that autism is basically an autoimmune disorder, which it likely is not--all evidence now points to autistic-spectrum disorders being an inborn error in neurodifferentiation and neuronal migration causing essentially severe "crosstalk" in the brain) as PROOF IT IS AN IMMUNOMODULATOR and have not a whit of basis in clinical trials at all. There's a quite readable essay on it here.

5) And in relation to that--how the hell is a naturopath (who generally is NOT a licensed doctor, not even a doctor of osteopathic medicine--and usually DOs are more friendly to things like therapeutic massage and (proven effective, non-homeopathic) herbal medicine and nutritional therapy) able to get hold of what is a prescription-only pharmaceutical that even in low doses has a relatively narrow margin of safety (such as, say, if a kid has to end up taking cough syrup containing codeine). My concern is that said naturopath is probably obtaining the naltrexone via extralegal methods like "Russian spam farm" advertised sketchier types of overseas pharmacies (which--if they send drugs at all--tend to be either third-world knockoffs of approved medications or are outright counterfeit or expired--basically the same reason not to get stuff from 1-800-PET-MEDS but only with human meds).
2012-12-09 10:37:12 PM  
1 votes:

FunkOut: MightyPez: FunkOut: What I wrote was making fun of the kneejerk reaction people who write off anything that isn't standard medicine as kooky New Age garbage.

You're the only person to have brought it up.

Headline calling all alternative medicine/integrative medicine the same as the wonderful fairy magic field of homeopathy? Really?


The headline was specifically calling out homeopathy. It didn't mention your non-medicines, just "integrative medicine" which is a loosely defined set of non-medicines.

You alternative medicine types could really benefit from the real stuff. Water and tea leaves aren't going to fix that personality disorder.
2012-12-09 10:32:06 PM  
1 votes:

MightyPez: FunkOut: What I wrote was making fun of the kneejerk reaction people who write off anything that isn't standard medicine as kooky New Age garbage.

You're the only person to have brought it up.


Headline calling all alternative medicine/integrative medicine the same as the wonderful fairy magic field of homeopathy? Really?
2012-12-09 09:48:16 PM  
1 votes:
Yeah, there's just nothing you can say to someone to change their mind when they are playing by an entirely different set of rules that allows them to essentially dues-ex-machina anything because they decided it is so. All you can do is not take their advice and not leave them in a position of responsibility. They are dangerous fools.

And I'd reckon lots of them were and do homeschool, perpetuating the issues
2012-12-09 09:31:32 PM  
1 votes:

Uchiha_Cycliste: MaxSupernova: Here is a gem that came across my wife's Facebook feed that she was kind enough to share with me.

Well my son, ________ was hit by the flu epidemic today. I am so thankful we didn't get him vaccinated by big pharma!

She is an anti-vaccine person. My wife and I have been so confused by this comment.....

You gotta remember that these people are absolutely retarded. they have no concept of causality, no appreciation of science or the scientific method and no understanding of the mechanisms by which the world works. In their minds they think that everything they say makes sense, because they think it. I'll try better to explain what I mean... since causality is right out the window, anything can be caused by and explained by anything else. All that matters is that they believe it while they are saying it. Remember when Palin would talk and everything she said was garbled stupidity, ut you could tell she absolutely believed what she was saying at the moment? it's like that. It's: I have this thought, because I have this thought it must be true, otherwise I wouldn't have this thought. And not being constrained by reality, medicine, math or science they can say anything.

Does that make sense at all?


One of my aunts is like this. It's amazing. The worst is how throughout convinced they are. I've even done the "what would you need to disprove what you just said?" and her responses are "nothing, i know i'm right" or a continuous moving of the goal post.
2012-12-09 09:22:19 PM  
1 votes:

FunkOut: Also, that all herbal medicine is fake and has no effect on people.


That's because herbal medicine that works is just "medicine".
2012-12-09 09:16:56 PM  
1 votes:

FunkOut: Quantum Apostrophe: FunkOut: Yes, homeopathy is a hoax which means massage never works and you can eat buckets of any herb you want without having any effect.

Uh, what?

Same thing I keep hearing, anytime anyone mention alternative medicine, a bunch of people go "LOL that's homeopathy and it's all a fake scam to steal moneys from stupid people". Also, that all herbal medicine is fake and has no effect on people. Then some go on to say that you should just take some painkillers if your back hurts instead of getting the lumps massaged out of your muscles or using an infrared heat lamp to to relieve lower back pain or some other method that doesn't involve more pain pills.


Er, when I make fun of homeopathy, I make fun of homeopathy. That is, the "This is diluted to ONE PART PER TRILLION and that has made it SUPER POWERFUL" homeopathy. That is, Head On. (IT'S farkING WAX).
2012-12-09 07:55:02 PM  
1 votes:

BronyMedic: If this gets greenlit, maybe we can use the followup tag when the article about this kid dying gets submitted.


Since the article is from July, it's possible the kid already is.
2012-12-09 07:45:45 PM  
1 votes:

Pharmdawg: You know what they call alternative medicine that works?

Medicine

Homeopathy by its own definition is unscientific quackery.


It's not completely useless. It's the first line treatment of Morgellons disease.
2012-12-09 07:42:24 PM  
1 votes:

BigLuca: Uchiha_Cycliste: MaxSupernova: Here is a gem that came across my wife's Facebook feed that she was kind enough to share with me.

Well my son, ________ was hit by the flu epidemic today. I am so thankful we didn't get him vaccinated by big pharma!

She is an anti-vaccine person. My wife and I have been so confused by this comment.....

You gotta remember that these people are absolutely retarded. they have no concept of causality, no appreciation of science or the scientific method and no understanding of the mechanisms by which the world works. In their minds they think that everything they say makes sense, because they think it. I'll try better to explain what I mean... since causality is right out the window, anything can be caused by and explained by anything else. All that matters is that they believe it while they are saying it. Remember when Palin would talk and everything she said was garbled stupidity, ut you could tell she absolutely believed what she was saying at the moment? it's like that. It's: I have this thought, because I have this thought it must be true, otherwise I wouldn't have this thought. And not being constrained by reality, medicine, math or science they can say anything.

Does that make sense at all?

I've noticed this and thought about this. It makes me think that some people operate on a different level of consciousness/self awareness. I honestly think that these people experience life more like how my dog does than how I do. No reflection or introspection, mostly just pure stimulus response.


I agree. The danger is in that they truly believe whatever it is they are thinking at the moment. Their understanding of the world revolves completely around whatever thoughts they have. It's like they were never taught about correlation, causation or basic science. Instead they were raised to believe that anything they can imagine can come true and they are too stupid to know otherwise, so anything can be caused by anything as long as it makes sense to them when they are thinking it. An interesting side effect is that there is no consistency among their thoughts and you can't hold against them anything they have said in the past because that was then and this is now. Also, they have a tendency to believe HEAVILY in astrology and horoscopes and all that bullshiat. They truly and honestly believe that their (and everyone's) personalities are dictated by the month of birth. You know... morons.
2012-12-09 07:41:52 PM  
1 votes:

Arumat: LoneCoon: Bored Horde: MrEricSir: So I can still go to my barber for bloodletting, but I can't bill it to my insurance anymore?

Funny you bring up bloodletting but one of the hottest trends in sugery right now is to take blood from the Px prior to surgery to minimize the usual problems found with blood donation. Also techniques to recover blood lost during surgery, and reintroducing it into the Px's body. Thank the mormons. Seriously. It's a great development.

It's actually pretty clever. If your patient donates 3-4 weeks before their surgery, and there's a problem during surgery, you give them their own blood back. No problems with reactions, no chance of creating antibodies to cause future problems.

It's also been going on for a LONG time. When my mother had hip replacement surgery in the 90s this was part of her treatment in the weeks before the operation.


Back to the '60s.
2012-12-09 07:40:41 PM  
1 votes:
You know what they call alternative medicine that works?

Medicine

Homeopathy by its own definition is unscientific quackery.
2012-12-09 07:33:42 PM  
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Raharu: Good.

It's quack medicine.


Actually, good treatments sometimes get categorized as alternative because specific associations would rather take lobby funds than promote health. Specifically, Neurofeedback has long struggled to gain acceptance (but it's gaining), because the Psychiatric community - despite many studies showing excellent results - has shunned it in favor of prescription medication.

It's really a shame, because Neurofeedback - unlike snake oil - actually does work, and has the scientific research to prove it.
2012-12-09 07:32:53 PM  
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hawcian: fluffy2097: hawcian: If you're not covered by health insurance, you have to pay a penalty/tax/whatever you feel like calling it that day (once that particular part of the bill kicks in). That's always been the case for the healthcare reform law. SCOTUS just pointed out that "pay a penalty" and "pay a tax" have no discernible difference in this particular situation.

Do you opt out of the system as well by not being covered? So you have to pay a tax, then get refused at the ER when you're bleeding out?

/that would be pretty good for the genepool

No, hospitals still take everyone regardless.


And that's why the tax/penalty is there. "Don't buy insurance? Fine, but you still have to pay into this pool that covers ER visits for accidents like you."
2012-12-09 07:13:01 PM  
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bhcompy: jaytkay: bhcompy: Massive cost increases year after year since the signing of the bill

Health care costs have been soaring for twenty years. Specifically what in Obamacare (which mostly has not gone into effect) caused new cost increases?

The part where insurance companies took advantage of so called health care cost reform and dramatically raised rates at higher percentages than previously as a result of the health care legislation, like what Aetna, Blue Shield, etc did to Californians in the months directly proceeding the HCR bill signing. When you're promised an increased pool by law you can increase rates for the sake of profit without any real recourse.


so you're blaming Obamacare for something the insurance companies did on their own?

BTW, my HMO actually stayed the same this year. Can I give credit to Obamacare for that too?
2012-12-09 06:22:01 PM  
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bhcompy: Massive cost increases year after year since the signing of the bill


Health care costs have been soaring for twenty years. Specifically what in Obamacare (which mostly has not gone into effect) caused new cost increases?
2012-12-09 05:59:13 PM  
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2012-12-09 05:42:14 PM  
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homo medicine? what?
2012-12-09 04:29:23 PM  
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fluffy2097: So can someone explain what the whole "you no longer have to buy insurance" part of this article means? It says something about a tax but there is to much derp for me to actually study it out.

Does this mean instead of getting health insurance, you can be taxed instead and get no coverage at all? Explain it like I'm 5.


Before: You must buy insurance, and if you don't, we'll fine you for breaking the law
Now: You don't have to buy insurance, but everyone who does is exempt from this new tax, which is exactly as much as the fine we're no longer levying on people who don't buy insurance
2012-12-09 04:07:28 PM  
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F*k this. They want you to buy a policy that limits what you can do or pay a fine? This is extortion.
2012-12-09 02:25:03 PM  
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2012-12-09 02:02:41 PM  
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I can't wait to see how the Fark Independents spin this. On the other hand the anti-vaxxers make me stabby since it's usually kids they won't have treated
2012-12-09 01:53:54 PM  
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2012-12-09 12:58:47 PM  
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2.bp.blogspot.com

This issue is also about religious organizations and their desire to receive payment for their healthcare services.

Doctor Funkenstein: stick a magnet up their ass and then tell them its healthcare.


By applying rule 42, there is a lot of funding available for this treatment (assuming it's videotaped for posterity).
 
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