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2012-12-09 12:24:50 PM
www2.macleans.ca
 
2012-12-09 01:18:07 PM
I'm mostly ok with this, except for the 850 calorie cap. Student athletes need to get through the day, then attend practice after school every day. with lunch capped at 850 calories, there's going to be a lot of bonking going on, or a lot of snacking on junk food just to keep your calories up.
 
2012-12-09 01:50:38 PM
Fatter kids get hungrier more often. Give this a few months and they'll even out.
 
2012-12-09 02:13:59 PM

serial_crusher: I'm mostly ok with this, except for the 850 calorie cap. Student athletes need to get through the day, then attend practice after school every day. with lunch capped at 850 calories, there's going to be a lot of bonking going on, or a lot of snacking on junk food just to keep your calories up.



Being hungry makes them have more sex?
 
2012-12-09 02:15:26 PM
FTFA: "We have freshmen who weigh 85 pounds and student-athletes who weigh 280 pounds," Bouquillon said, "and yet the portion size can't accommodate the difference, in the regulations as we understand them."

This is true. I couldn't imagine being on the swim team and eating only 600 calories at lunch when I was in high school.
 
2012-12-09 02:17:49 PM
food as a weapon
 
2012-12-09 02:18:59 PM

StashMonster: serial_crusher: I'm mostly ok with this, except for the 850 calorie cap. Student athletes need to get through the day, then attend practice after school every day. with lunch capped at 850 calories, there's going to be a lot of bonking going on, or a lot of snacking on junk food just to keep your calories up.


Being hungry makes them have more sex?


www.womeneatingsausages.com
 
2012-12-09 02:21:03 PM
can u count to potato? i can

one two - POTATO!
 
2012-12-09 02:23:37 PM
Bring your lunch. Better yet, eat it at your home-school.
 
2012-12-09 02:24:25 PM
My high school had a fantastic salad bar. Every school should. We got tochoose the salad or the regular lunch.
 
2012-12-09 02:24:44 PM
The star of the meal, promoted from its previous role as a side dish, is a baked potato. The rolls are whole wheat. The milk is low fat.

No wonder schools love this, potato's are cheap and wheat's cheap. Carbs are cheap.

But whar's protein?

Ironic that a few years ago we were trying to make sure all kids had breakfast in the morning, and now we seek to limit how much they eat at lunch.

I'm not quite a fat blob, and I am no longer a kid, but feed me all those carbs at lunch, and RoyBatty is taking a nap during class. And I also know a hungry RoyBatty ain't able to think about math, science, or literature.

I think Michelle Obama's drive to reduce childhood obesity is good, and her emphasis on quality food also good, but I think the way it has been carried into lunch programs is terrible.
 
2012-12-09 02:26:20 PM
Is that the right link? The article says the opposite of subby's headline
 
pla
2012-12-09 02:26:23 PM
Wow.

I never really saw the point in buying school lunch, when I could go home and have "real" food less than two hours later anyway. As the irony there, I did so because I didn't want a lunch completely composed of fats and carbs and more or less devoid of any nutrients other than salt (and I love salt, make no mistake).

So, what have they done here? Well, kudos for taking out some of the grease, but why the fark can't schools serve protein? You've kinda missed the point here, guys. You haven't made the food healthier, you've just made it less tasty, and less of it.


"Then he sees the [whole wheat] rolls and smiles. "Oh, yay!""

And then Ralphie proceeded to pick his nose until it bled, excited at the new color on his plate.
 
2012-12-09 02:27:10 PM
Such a stupid policy.

And here's why: if we were really concerned with childhood obesity, we would not be obsessively limiting their grain intake during lunch. We put some emphasis on healthier fare, but more importantly we would put more emphasis on getting them off their fat lazy asses to exercise.

There is nothing wrong with a 15 year old kid eating a 1000 calorie lunch and burning 500 of those calories after school exercising.

We have an obesity problem in this country because after-school athletics are on a severe decline.

And our helicopter parenting has decided that it's better for a 10 year old to sit in house and play video games rather than take their bicycle outside to explore.

This is why we're fat, not because of f**king croutons!
 
2012-12-09 02:27:15 PM
What troubles me most is the lowfat milk. Kids need fat for brain development.
 
2012-12-09 02:28:30 PM

Goimir: What troubles me most is the lowfat milk. Kids need fat for brain development.


look in a world of obesity it's gay to say that something lowfat is better. that's why we do it
cause it's GAY
 
2012-12-09 02:28:53 PM

jjorsett: Bring your lunch. Better yet, eat it at your home-school.


If people choose to be home schooled because of this, then you got to question their priorities.

Plus, homeschools are flawed too. Saying that "God did it" shouldn't the answer to every question asked.
 
2012-12-09 02:29:21 PM
Don't 99% of all dietary programs for losing weight cut carbs and increase protein? Who the fark thought this up?
 
2012-12-09 02:29:48 PM

pla: Wow.

I never really saw the point in buying school lunch, when I could go home and have "real" food less than two hours later anyway. As the irony there, I did so because I didn't want a lunch completely composed of fats and carbs and more or less devoid of any nutrients other than salt (and I love salt, make no mistake).

So, what have they done here? Well, kudos for taking out some of the grease, but why the fark can't schools serve protein? You've kinda missed the point here, guys. You haven't made the food healthier, you've just made it less tasty, and less of it.


"Then he sees the [whole wheat] rolls and smiles. "Oh, yay!""

And then Ralphie proceeded to pick his nose until it bled, excited at the new color on his plate.


Studies have shown that a low protein diet leads to lower levels of aggression.
 
2012-12-09 02:32:55 PM

serial_crusher: I'm mostly ok with this, except for the 850 calorie cap. Student athletes need to get through the day, then attend practice after school every day. with lunch capped at 850 calories, there's going to be a lot of bonking going on, or a lot of snacking on junk food just to keep your calories up.


When I was in high school, 850 calories would be enough to tide me over during that long time between snacking at my locker before leaving for lunch, and eating lunch.

I was able to consume 4000-5000 calories per day without gaining weight. Then again, I was allowed to go outside and wasn't tethered to the Nintendo.

/actually one of my friends had a TurboGrafx16, which was pretty rad, but bikes were more fun
 
2012-12-09 02:32:58 PM
thumbs.anyclip.com
 
2012-12-09 02:33:01 PM

brobinson2001: Don't 99% of all dietary programs for losing weight cut carbs and increase protein? Who the fark thought this up?


It's all brought to you by the same people who bring ag subsidies.
 
2012-12-09 02:33:19 PM

keytronic: Such a stupid policy.

And here's why: if we were really concerned with childhood obesity, we would not be obsessively limiting their grain intake during lunch. We put some emphasis on healthier fare, but more importantly we would put more emphasis on getting them off their fat lazy asses to exercise.

There is nothing wrong with a 15 year old kid eating a 1000 calorie lunch and burning 500 of those calories after school exercising.

We have an obesity problem in this country because after-school athletics are on a severe decline.

And our helicopter parenting has decided that it's better for a 10 year old to sit in house and play video games rather than take their bicycle outside to explore.

This is why we're fat, not because of f**king croutons!


Yes.

My kids were not required to have PE in middle school. PE takes time away from their ability to learn the three Rs, right?

So, now to get them some exercise, it's expensive gymnastics, dancing, etc.

So yes, bring back PE.
 
2012-12-09 02:33:50 PM

serial_crusher: I'm mostly ok with this, except for the 850 calorie cap. Student athletes need to get through the day, then attend practice after school every day. with lunch capped at 850 calories, there's going to be a lot of bonking going on, or a lot of snacking on junk food just to keep your calories up.


The calorie limit applies only to FEDERALLY SUBSIDIZED school lunches. Sorry about the caps, but I back the new limit because I don't believe my tax dollars should go to subsidizing more diabetics or hypertensives. If people want to become obese, they can do it on their own dime.

The athletes can bring their own lunches if they don't like what my tax dollars are providing for them at a reduced cost. Maybe they can use bootstraps to carry them.

The athletes can take advantage of the fact that they can get a second serving of veggies or fruit if they need more. Or, if its a real problem, they can add an exception later for athletes in aerobic sports (sorry, baseball players) with a normal body fat percent (sorry, football linemen).

/vitriol not meant for you, just conservatives that have been biatching about this for months.
 
2012-12-09 02:33:57 PM

Goimir: What troubles me most is the lowfat milk. Kids need fat for brain development.




Amen. Excess fat and protein become an issue when you're older and no longer growing. But dammit, kids thrive on meat, potatoes, and simple vegetables. That, combined with daily exercise produces strong and healthy kids.

Instead, we have a government that is trying to address lethargic kids by micromanaging their diets.
 
2012-12-09 02:34:16 PM

StashMonster:
Being hungry makes them have more sex?


Bonking is a lot like being high, except you replace drugs with a blood sugar level somewhere in the negative numbers.
 
2012-12-09 02:37:08 PM

Molavian: FTFA: "We have freshmen who weigh 85 pounds and student-athletes who weigh 280 pounds," Bouquillon said, "and yet the portion size can't accommodate the difference, in the regulations as we understand them."

This is true. I couldn't imagine being on the swim team and eating only 600 calories at lunch when I was in high school.


I was on the swim team too. I generally ate a decent breakfast and regular lunch. I didn't get monster hungry until after practice. I suppose if the family had enough disposable income to let their kid participate in sports, they can pack an extra peanut butter and jelly sandwich to supplement the school lunch.
 
2012-12-09 02:37:36 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: can u count to potato? i can

one two - POTATO!


Not only can I count to potato, there better be butter on that biatch (that is about to be hungrily devoured). om nom nom... A potato! 

/why did I just think of the Attack of the Killer Tomatoes movie?
 
2012-12-09 02:38:59 PM
There are no replicable studies that link increased physical activity with weight loss. Physical activity is correlated with better quality of life, but not longer life. The idea that kids are obese because they are lazy is just more of the "shiat was tougher when I went through that period of life" mentality.

Only drink milk and water, and cut the carbs. Also, take lots of ecstacy, works for me!
 
2012-12-09 02:39:30 PM

Mister Peejay: StashMonster:
Being hungry makes them have more sex?

Bonking is a lot like being high, except you replace drugs with a blood sugar level somewhere in the negative numbers.


Bonking makes grass, leather, and your least favorite foods look appetizing. It's the not-so-technical term for running out of glycogen. Your short and mid term reserve is empty and your body can't make up the difference from stored fats fast enough and instead goes after muscle after slowing everything down.
 
2012-12-09 02:40:50 PM
At some point, they'll switch to MREs, then reconstituted vitamin paste, and finally Soylent Green.

/Soylent Green is graduates!
 
2012-12-09 02:41:27 PM

RoyBatty: keytronic: Such a stupid policy.

And here's why: if we were really concerned with childhood obesity, we would not be obsessively limiting their grain intake during lunch. We put some emphasis on healthier fare, but more importantly we would put more emphasis on getting them off their fat lazy asses to exercise.

There is nothing wrong with a 15 year old kid eating a 1000 calorie lunch and burning 500 of those calories after school exercising.

We have an obesity problem in this country because after-school athletics are on a severe decline.

And our helicopter parenting has decided that it's better for a 10 year old to sit in house and play video games rather than take their bicycle outside to explore.

This is why we're fat, not because of f**king croutons!

Yes.

My kids were not required to have PE in middle school. PE takes time away from their ability to learn the three Rs, right?

So, now to get them some exercise, it's expensive gymnastics, dancing, etc.

So yes, bring back PE.


Recollection, recitation, and review for the standardized tests?
 
2012-12-09 02:41:37 PM
FTFA: "We have freshmen who weigh 85 pounds and student-athletes who weigh 280 pounds," Bouquillon said, "and yet the portion size can't accommodate the difference, in the regulations as we understand them."

Well, all the kids should weigh 85 pounds; it would reduce classroom overcrowding. And student athletes are bullies, they should be starved to death. It's a farking school, not an NFL farm team.

/oh wait, that last one's wrong...
 
2012-12-09 02:43:12 PM
These kids will eat what the government tells them to eat, and they will like it.
 
2012-12-09 02:43:34 PM

Goimir: Mister Peejay: StashMonster:
Being hungry makes them have more sex?

Bonking is a lot like being high, except you replace drugs with a blood sugar level somewhere in the negative numbers.

Bonking makes grass, leather, and your least favorite foods look appetizing. It's the not-so-technical term for running out of glycogen. Your short and mid term reserve is empty and your body can't make up the difference from stored fats fast enough and instead goes after muscle after slowing everything down.


Huh, I learned something new today. Thank you.
 
2012-12-09 02:43:35 PM
just put in a farking buffet
 
2012-12-09 02:44:09 PM

GORDON: These kids will eat what the government tells them to eat, and they will like it.


That...or they can just bring their lunch from home?
 
2012-12-09 02:45:58 PM

keytronic: Such a stupid policy.

And here's why: if we were really concerned with childhood obesity, we would not be obsessively limiting their grain intake during lunch. We put some emphasis on healthier fare, but more importantly we would put more emphasis on getting them off their fat lazy asses to exercise.

There is nothing wrong with a 15 year old kid eating a 1000 calorie lunch and burning 500 of those calories after school exercising.

We have an obesity problem in this country because after-school athletics are on a severe decline.

And our helicopter parenting has decided that it's better for a 10 year old to sit in house and play video games rather than take their bicycle outside to explore.

This is why we're fat, not because of f**king croutons!


We can't do anything about what parents do at home. Maybe I could agree that some form of physical exercise at the end of the day be compulsory. They don't have to join a team, but if so, they have to go out there and walk a mile. Perhaps an exception if they walk at lest that distance home from school. The 800 calories for a lunch is plenty, especially if you are going to have a heavier dinner later in the day.

So far as breakfast, it's important because especially a lot of poor kids don't have it, and those kids did worse in school because of it. We should still be willing to let them have 600-800 calories at that meal too.
 
2012-12-09 02:46:22 PM

Schroedinger's Glory Hole: There are no replicable studies that link increased physical activity with weight loss


You sound really well-informed

/ I am kidding in case anyone is wondering
 
2012-12-09 02:46:30 PM
The lack of healthy food options in school lunches was (and still is in many places) a problem, but this isn't the right solution.

By all means make sure healthy options are available - plenty of vegetables, proteins, whole grains, etc, but don't put broad caloric restrictions on growing kids. For the most part kids will eat the amount they need if they don't have their views of food distorted through outside pressure (both 'If you don't clean your plate you can't have dessert, don't you know there are starving kids in Africa?' and 'Do you really need a second helping honey? Boys don't pay attention to big girls' are harmful). A teen going through a growth spurt and who is involved in a lot of physical activity is going to need more calories than average.

If you're going to limit portion sizes, do it for the unhealthy stuff. Let the kids eat as much spinach, grilled chicken, and hard boiled egg as they want, but only give them one dressing cup and one small dessert option.
 
2012-12-09 02:46:58 PM

Mister Peejay: StashMonster:
Being hungry makes them have more sex?

Bonking is a lot like being high, except you replace drugs with a blood sugar level somewhere in the negative numbers.


Yeah, it turns out that your body considers your brain a non-essential consumer of sugar and cuts all but the reptile bits off. It's basically the only way for a non-diabetic to experience the "drunken" diabetic crazy they get after not eating all day. Just imagine the worst fogginess and fatigue you've ever experienced from foregoing food all day, and multiply it by ten.
 
2012-12-09 02:47:23 PM
I'm just going to go off of the rail for a minute here,but;
As students push their biodegradable trays through the cafeteria...
What's that about? The reusable plastic ones that they ran through the Hobart as people finished lunch are somehow worse?

/Biodegradable doesn't necessarily biodegrade when buried in a landfill
//Oh, and the crappy meals sound crappy. I liked my fried burritos and pizza, and I wasn't fat
///That happened after I discovered beer
 
2012-12-09 02:47:39 PM
Do all kids in all grades get subsidized lunches? Is this like the UK? I've never seen this up here. I suppose if the gov. pays for it they get to choose. You can always send something extra to school with them.
 
2012-12-09 02:50:21 PM

sleeps in trees: Do all kids in all grades get subsidized lunches? Is this like the UK? I've never seen this up here. I suppose if the gov. pays for it they get to choose. You can always send something extra to school with them.


If you're below the poverty line, it's subsidized, otherwise it's about $3.

That's why I don't care how much people biatch about this, the government is the buyer, it can buy whatever the hell it wants and feed the kids whatever they want.
 
2012-12-09 02:50:49 PM

Mrtraveler01: GORDON: These kids will eat what the government tells them to eat, and they will like it.

That...or they can just bring their lunch from home?


Mrtraveler01: GORDON: These kids will eat what the government tells them to eat, and they will like it.

That...or they can just bring their lunch from home?


Wrong answer, citizen.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-04-11/news/ct-met-school-lunc h -restrictions-041120110410_1_lunch-food-provider-public-school
 
2012-12-09 02:51:23 PM

GORDON: These kids will eat what the government tells them to eat, and they will like it.


Or they can bring their own damn lunch.
 
2012-12-09 02:52:33 PM

sleeps in trees: Do all kids in all grades get subsidized lunches? Is this like the UK? I've never seen this up here. I suppose if the gov. pays for it they get to choose. You can always send something extra to school with them.


Kids from families below the poverty line get free lunches in the US. IDK about the UK. Believe it or not, some foods sent from home have been confiscated because they are "unhealthy."
 
2012-12-09 02:53:05 PM

Schroedinger's Glory Hole: There are no replicable studies that link increased physical activity with weight loss.


Sure, because burning calories makes you hungry for more, unless you short-circuit it with self-starvation or drugs. On the other hand, muscle is better for you than fat.

Weight loss shouldn't be a goal; fat loss should. Sure, you can't just step on a scale to measure it, but it's way more important.
 
2012-12-09 02:54:10 PM

TuteTibiImperes: The lack of healthy food options in school lunches was (and still is in many places) a problem, but this isn't the right solution.

By all means make sure healthy options are available - plenty of vegetables, proteins, whole grains, etc, but don't put broad caloric restrictions on growing kids. For the most part kids will eat the amount they need if they don't have their views of food distorted through outside pressure (both 'If you don't clean your plate you can't have dessert, don't you know there are starving kids in Africa?' and 'Do you really need a second helping honey? Boys don't pay attention to big girls' are harmful). A teen going through a growth spurt and who is involved in a lot of physical activity is going to need more calories than average.

If you're going to limit portion sizes, do it for the unhealthy stuff. Let the kids eat as much spinach, grilled chicken, and hard boiled egg as they want, but only give them one dressing cup and one small dessert option.


They are allowed second servongs of fruit or vegetables, I think.
 
2012-12-09 02:54:44 PM
Rant:
If you bring lunch from home, it can't be peanut butter. They will send your kid home for bringing peanut butter.

Or anything related to peanut butter.

Or anything that has ever been in the same building as peanut butter.

Peanut butter: not even once.

(I get it... Allergies... But this is getting out of hand.)
 
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