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2012-12-09 08:55:45 AM
20 votes:
Well, there's that idea, or we could accept changing economic conditions and limitations on land, and look to more sustainable economic models...
2012-12-09 09:41:17 AM
16 votes:

RexTalionis: Part of the reason that our economy (and population) is still expanding is because in the US, immigration is adding more residents to counteract the declining birthrate.


I find that most of the people fearmongering about the declining birth rate are primarily concerned about the declining white birth rate.
2012-12-09 10:14:47 AM
7 votes:
With automation and outsourcing, we're not going to have enough jobs for the population we're naturally going to have, never mind for the population we'd have with 2.3+ fertility rate plus immigration.

You can't run a social system based on the prospect of limitless growth. Blame the ones without foresight who engineered it, not the ones not breeding until their genitalia explode.
2012-12-09 09:17:31 AM
5 votes:

hubiestubert: Well, there's that idea, or we could accept changing economic conditions and limitations on land, and look to more sustainable economic models...


Done in one.
2012-12-09 01:47:14 PM
4 votes:
The author is a farking moron. More people will not grow the economy if THERE ARE NO JOBS TO GIVE THEM. The marketplace is already supersaturated with labor. More people will just mean more mouths to feed, via welfare, and a lower standard of living for everyone.

Robots will be doing almost everything soon enough. We already replace cops with traffic cameras, assembly workers with robots, and (coming soon) RFID chips to simply deduct from your bank account whatever you walk out of a store with, eliminating the need for retail workers. We need fewer people, not more. Population decline would be a good thing, if only it were actually happening.
2012-12-09 09:45:01 AM
4 votes:

Theaetetus: RexTalionis: Part of the reason that our economy (and population) is still expanding is because in the US, immigration is adding more residents to counteract the declining birthrate.

I find that most of the people fearmongering about the declining birth rate are primarily concerned about the declining white birth rate.


Right. And if you look at every single developed country in the world, the birth rate is declining EVERYWHERE, so the US is not exactly all that special in this regard.
2012-12-09 01:16:29 PM
3 votes:
"Why we need to start having a lot more WHITE babies right now."

Because true Americans are white and their control of the US and their rightful place will be taken away unless their women start doing their duty.

This is the problem Israel faces. - if they don't keep down their Muslim/Christian population then in the future Jews will no longer control their country. This is the real issue that is fueling much of the problems in the mid-east. Ultimately when Jews assimilate it destroys Judaism.
2012-12-09 11:26:51 AM
3 votes:

GAT_00: Corvus: Or just relax immigration as needed. Not that hard of a problem to solve.

That's the actual solution. There are plenty of young people on the damn planet. Just get them to move here.


As a young person struggling to find a job here already, I object.
2012-12-09 10:23:53 AM
3 votes:
I'm convinced I'll have one child. At least, I keep telling myself that I want to have one child. But, I have NOOOOOO idea when this will happen. I'm 32 and married BUT still searching for that ellusive entry level job that will kickstart my career. Then I will need maternity leave. Then daycare. And hope my parents move closer to the West coast.
2012-12-10 02:41:21 PM
2 votes:

BolshyGreatYarblocks: Corvus: Or just relax immigration as needed. Not that hard of a problem to solve.

Leaving all poor countries without doctors, nurses, entrepreneurs, etc.: how thoughtful of you.


If we didn't do our best to limit the number of home-grown members of those fields we wouldn't have shortages in the first place.
2012-12-09 07:50:39 PM
2 votes:
I have one kid in elementary school now. Having additional kids to make playmates for their predecessors seemed too stupid a reason to have more. I never got a serious urge to have more kids. I had always imagined I'd have 2-4, but we just didn't. I'm in my early thirties now, so I don't really want to do pregnancy again. I'm already at a higher chance of twins, even before accounting the increased chance with age.

Maybe the idea of having more kids for some people might be more appealing if people could count on steady jobs like they could in the two or three decades after WW2. Any more though, the employers seem to want to hoard cash, pay their CEO's ridiculous amounts for their incompetence and try to find ways around making sure you've got healthcare. Why would any sane person bring in numerous children into a place where they might have to go without food because some incompetent,idiot CEO that's getting paid at least $5 million in salary before stock options per year is ok with laying people off, expecting more productivity out of already overworked and under compensated employees just so that they profit margin looks a little higher and the stocks will go up.

Corporations are entirely too short term stock-gains focused. They aught to be planning long term growth instead of faddish stock price hunting. Capital gains could be taxed at a progressive scale based on length of investment to encourage long term investment. Short term stocks sales being taxed at the highest rate. Long term capital gains still being taxed nearer to regular income than currently, 15% tax rate is ridiculously low. It should be at least 20% to 25%. 

Republicans need to stop fellating corporate interests.
2012-12-09 06:39:33 PM
2 votes:
FTFA: Our whole economy and social system are designed for a growing economy, and a growing population.

Yeah, but. Our economy and social system weren't so much designed as as they are simple opportunistic growth, like a patch of weeds. If a declining population becomes the norm, economy and society will opportunistically evolve to meet the needs. (After a painful adjustment period, maybe.)
2012-12-09 06:39:18 PM
2 votes:
Yes, because this is truly sustainable for the planet Earth in the long term:

www.subdude-site.com

/Really? I'm the first one to post this?
2012-12-09 03:44:13 PM
2 votes:
The Germans have had good results getting the birth rate per woman up by providing women with support in the form of daycare and other measures to make it easier for working professional women to combine motherhood and careers. Apparently some women make rational decisions about having children based on their ability to afford them. Professional women in particular need guarantees that they can take time off without losing their jobs and their place on the career path with each child.

A co-worker of mine who is politically fairly conservative has had four children, about three of them on paid maternity leave, and I haven't heard her complaining about Canadian socialism. Mind you, baby bonuses in Canada date back to the reign of Louis XIV who encouraged the colonists to breed with gay abandon. Which they did. The birth rate per woman in France was six children, while it was 6.5 in New France. And life expectancy was much higher in New France than in old, even with the Iroquois, the Dutch and the British breathing down our necks.
2012-12-09 03:07:54 PM
2 votes:
I hope that all of the people who don't think this is a problem are ok with Medicare and Social Security not existing when it comes time for them to collect. We don't need massive population growth, but you need young workers to support those programs. Otherwise they go away. And I'd better not see you screaming that they shouldn't ever be cut, either.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
It is so funny that you think these social programs will be there for you! I've been paying into them for 30 years and know for sure that the Boomers will have it all spent by the time I get there. Have kids so they can pay into a broken system with no hope of return - that is not the view of a responsible parent.


Naively stating that "there is no problem" and that "IT WILL ALL BE OK" doesn't necessarily make it true.

Why not? It works for people who ignore all the problems due to over population.


Yeah, I doubt employers will suddenly double wages if the workforces halves by all the women leaving it, or match with whatever proportions thereabouts.

No, they will just cry "skills gap!" and bring over cheap labor from overseas.


Isn't the world population still small enough to fit into the state of Texas? Whatever happened to that eyeopening concept?

People realized it was moronic not eye opening. People need more space than what they take up standing still. See how long you can stand still, not eating or drinking - when you get to 70 years we'll talk.


For example, in western society, Christmas is a very big deal

So you think brown people do not celebrate Christmas? Really?


Whether or not having more babies will fix, things, I don't know...

I do - It won't. It may make a few things better, but will make the majority worse.


IntelligentEducated women are too busy pursuing careers to have children, while stupid women are breeding like flies.

FTFY
I have a PhD and no children. My sister graduated from High school and has 4. She actually has a higher IQ than I do, but values children more and is not temperamentally suited to school. I am not temperamentally suited to raising kids. I'll leave the child rearing to the people who want to do it. The kids turn out better that way.
2012-12-09 01:53:24 PM
2 votes:
The article is about 50% correct.

Intelligent women are too busy pursuing careers to have children, while stupid women are breeding like flies.

The end result is more stupid worthless parasites who can't feed themselves, and fewer and fewer working people who are able---or willing---to do so.
2012-12-09 01:52:06 PM
2 votes:
The future looks bleak. It will consist of only politicians and gov't employees.
2012-12-09 01:37:51 PM
2 votes:
Maybe if it wasn't so expensive to have kids, more people my age who are not on the dole would have them.

-Daycare costs are almost as much as college education
-Public schools suck so much you either buy your way into a good district or pay for private
-I live in Canada so I'm lucky to get paid mat leave, US is lucky if you get a month
-House and Rent prices are sky-high so more kids = more space
-I still have student loans to pay off, i'm lucky I took out a pittance to boot.

If we didn't have 20 years of stagnated wages it might be doable, but not now.
2012-12-09 01:30:25 PM
2 votes:

HairBolus: This is the problem Israel faces. - if they don't keep down their Muslim/Christian population then in the future Jews will no longer control their country. This is the real issue that is fueling much of the problems in the mid-east. Ultimately when Jews assimilate it destroys Judaism.


Ric Romero already reported on this.

What's really shocking is that Israel has flat out admitted that they're trying to prevent Palestianians voting for that same reason with statements like "demographics timebomb" and yet other countries like the US support that kind of discriminatory behavior.
2012-12-09 01:09:45 PM
2 votes:

RexTalionis: Right. And if you look at every single developed country in the world, the birth rate is declining EVERYWHERE, so the US is not exactly all that special in this regard.


That's like a fortune 500 company complaining their profits declined last year. They are still Profits. And the world population is still increasing - at a phenomenal rate, compared to any other time in history.

Fixing the world's problems my increasing population is akin to deficit spending. You're only delaying the problem for the next generation to solve.
2012-12-09 01:06:03 PM
2 votes:

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: if the US, Europe, and Japan are all competing for immigrants... does immigration solve our problem? Probably aren't enough to go around.


Japan's immigration problem is that there is so very little of it, by design. That's why they're busy developing robots to take care of old people. And 'Probably aren't enough to go around'? The first world, where people want to live, currently constitutes roughly a fifth of the worlds population. Enough people isn't a problem, quite the opposite.
2012-12-09 12:21:59 PM
2 votes:
We are running out of cocaine. If we don't find some more cocaine soon then we won't be able to function at work tomorrow. Our entire life is built around scoring and using cocaine. The fact that we are running out of cocaine is a big problem, and you are a moron if you think that running out of cocaine is maybe good for us because we shouldn't be using so much cocaine anyway, just look at what happened to Shady Mike when he OD'd on bath salts after quitting cocaine. If we run out of cocaine we could end up just like him.
2012-12-09 12:21:17 PM
2 votes:
Hell, massive regressive societal changes will help. Women, go home and raise the kids again. Men get the jobs, children are raised in a civilized manner, and probably most importantly children are born when women are younger which is far healthier for both mother and child.
2012-12-09 12:10:10 PM
2 votes:
So we're supposed to pop out kids when we can't even get healthcare for these kids, much less afford housing for them?

What a naked display of treating the 99% like medieval peasantry.
2012-12-09 12:08:00 PM
2 votes:
No. Have FEWER babies, and start today!

Economy is a meaningless construct that simply serves as a tool to help us distribute goods and encourage the necessary labor for survival. It's completely at our disposal to change.

We can feed everyone we have, shelter them, and keep them warm/cool. We can fund scientific research and exploration. We can produce art. We can repair roads, buildings, etc. We don't need more babies to do any of these things.

Considering climate change, overfishing, the pacific garbage patch, dwindling resources of all kinds, fewer people will lengthen the usability of all resources while doing a small bit to counter the damage we've done and increase the chances of a rebound.

If nothing else, should things change drastically and force major changes to lifestyle (or causing shortages), a smaller population will be able to adjust more easily with less deaths and upheaval.
2012-12-09 12:06:53 PM
2 votes:

Cyrusv10: Yeah, but why do people in third world countries insist on having more babies?

/makes no sense


Actually most 3rd world countries also have declining birth rates too, they just haven't been declining for the same length of time.

Basically when infant mortality rate drops below a certain threshhold, fertility rates plummet. In 1960 there was easily over a dozen countries with a fertility rate over 7, as of 2010 there is only one.

Take a look at this chart I whipped up with google public date for a nice visualization, just press play.
2012-12-09 12:06:29 PM
2 votes:
Can we start with other people actually taking care of the children they already have, or is that too much?
2012-12-09 11:52:44 AM
2 votes:
Hey.

Have you seen the Politics tab?

There are a lot of people who should not be reproducing. We are proof.
2012-12-09 09:05:46 AM
2 votes:
Part of the reason that our economy (and population) is still expanding is because in the US, immigration is adding more residents to counteract the declining birthrate.
2012-12-10 02:09:21 PM
1 votes:

Surpheon: But once I had one, I knew that I wanted more and not because I wanted to give her a brother or anything stupid like that.


It was to have a loyal army bred to kill, amirite? That's why I'm gonna have kids. You know what they say about the family that slaughters their enemies together.... No? They tend to have great teeth. I read it in a sociology journal once.
2012-12-10 12:23:32 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: GAT_00: Corvus: Or just relax immigration as needed. Not that hard of a problem to solve.

That's the actual solution. There are plenty of young people on the damn planet. Just get them to move here.

As a young person struggling to find a job here already, I object.

Yeah, but that's a problem with greedy businesses, not demographics.


Maybe the first is affecting the second?
2012-12-10 09:55:12 AM
1 votes:
I, for one, have no interest in reproducing. Not sure if that's a good thing by people's standards. Yeah, I'm white, but I'm also fairly dumb.
2012-12-09 11:37:00 PM
1 votes:
700,000,000,000 yep we needs more.
2012-12-09 10:41:17 PM
1 votes:
I think the issue of the composition of the next generation is a bigger issue than the number. Once it gets to the point that its cheaper to have a machine mow a lawn than a Mexican, our economy, especially for the lower classes, is going to be in a world of hurt. The trend of more highly educated women is fueling the problem in another way. It used to be that most doctors were male, and they would tend to marry their highschool sweetheart, spreading the education and smarts around. Nowadays, that male doctor is marrying a female doctor and their birth rate is lower than average. The money and education is being super-concentrated in ever an ever smaller group of people. Skilled immigration is an example of that. The smartest and most driven people are being plucked out of the third world and added to already successful countries. Add to that the graying of the population. We're going to end up with an over-supply of unskilled labor, massive demands on the welfare state and a small group of elites wielding a disproportionate amount of power. We are not going to be able to borrow and consume our way out of this.

This. I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
2012-12-09 10:34:46 PM
1 votes:

docilej: Ya, because 311,000,000 + people living in this country isn't enough!!! Let's have more...Yeaaaaaa...


The CONUS landmass at 7.5 million square KM can support our current population with ease. We're at about 40 people/sq KM. The US isn't where the overpopulation problem is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_density


Goodfella: Yes, because this is truly sustainable for the planet Earth in the long term:

[www.subdude-site.com image 703x578]

/Really? I'm the first one to post this?


That graph says were already over 8 billion people...
2012-12-09 08:34:00 PM
1 votes:

ohokyeah: I never got a serious urge to have more kids.


And that's the start and the end of it. Once you have one kid, you pretty much have the kid experience. Deciding to have the first kid was an awfully big jump. But once I had one, I knew that I wanted more and not because I wanted to give her a brother or anything stupid like that.
2012-12-09 07:14:51 PM
1 votes:

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: BokChoy: The only problem is that those immigrants bring baggage with them, as Europe has been finding out over the past few decades..

Um, the US is composed (nearly) entirely of immigrants. Europe's problem with immigrants is that they made it entirely clear from the outset that the Turks, North Africans, Pakistanis and others would never, ever be considered residents of those European nations. That led to ghettos, and then to lots of the problems that they're having now.

The US is much, much better than that at assimilating groups of people and making them feel like they're us. Not perfect, but much better.


Walk through dearborn, mi: everyone under thirty is about as american as apple pie despite being middle eastern.

You are absolutely correct.
2012-12-09 07:03:42 PM
1 votes:
Can we produce enough food and shelter for our population if we see declining population?

If yes then we don't need to increase our populations.

We aren't an agrarian society anymore.
2012-12-09 05:58:15 PM
1 votes:
Ya, because 311,000,000 + people living in this country isn't enough!!! Let's have more...Yeaaaaaa...
2012-12-09 05:57:47 PM
1 votes:
Happily childfree, vasectomy in 1995... and these are the only diapers I'd be willing to change at this point:

i555.photobucket.com

/i'll clean her up and bring her to my bunk myself, thanks
2012-12-09 05:52:04 PM
1 votes:
I can not believe how many people can actually sanely think that expansion is a forever thing. To think that an economy can be solely founded upon growth is idiocy...
2012-12-09 05:07:32 PM
1 votes:
So there it is in black and white, without any attempt to even deny it:

Marriage is just a scam to keep the economy going.
2012-12-09 04:39:06 PM
1 votes:

swahnhennessy: The last thing this planet needs is more babies. Africa has a massive surplus of the things. I suggest importing some of them.


The life expectancy there is very low. And it only looks like a surplus because their parents are dead.
2012-12-09 04:28:29 PM
1 votes:

Guntram Shatterhand: So we're supposed to pop out kids when we can't even get healthcare for these kids, much less afford housing for them?

What a naked display of treating the 99% like medieval peasantry.


The 1% can better enjoy their wealth from an island in a sea of human misery.
2012-12-09 04:10:48 PM
1 votes:

raerae1980: I'm convinced I'll have one child. At least, I keep telling myself that I want to have one child. But, I have NOOOOOO idea when this will happen. I'm 32 and married BUT still searching for that ellusive entry level job that will kickstart my career. Then I will need maternity leave. Then daycare. And hope my parents move closer to the West coast.


You'd better freeze some of your eggs now. As you get older, your eggs lose more and more mitrochondria and become less viable. Any pregnancy that happens after age 35 is considered a geriatric pregnancy.

http://www.hollywoodivf.com/FertilityConception/Infertility/Ageandinf e rtility/tabid/450/Default.aspx

Careers are important, but so is having a healthy kid. if you wait until you can afford one, you might never have one. (Look into home based jobs, telecommuting, or starting your own business if you want a job with flexibility enough to let you take care of your kids.)
2012-12-09 03:11:29 PM
1 votes:
We're going to end up with an over-supply of unskilled labor, massive demands on the welfare state and a small group of elites wielding a disproportionate amount of power. We are not going to be able to borrow and consume our way out of this.

We would not have this problem if we made education cheap and easy to get or if businesses were, once again, willing to train people. The problem here is that business has come to expect people to come pre-trained for what ever system they are using (even if it is proprietary). Uneducated does not mean stupid.
2012-12-09 03:01:19 PM
1 votes:

Tommy Moo: The author is a farking moron. More people will not grow the economy if THERE ARE NO JOBS TO GIVE THEM. The marketplace is already supersaturated with labor. More people will just mean more mouths to feed, via welfare, and a lower standard of living for everyone.

Robots will be doing almost everything soon enough. We already replace cops with traffic cameras, assembly workers with robots, and (coming soon) RFID chips to simply deduct from your bank account whatever you walk out of a store with, eliminating the need for retail workers. We need fewer people, not more. Population decline would be a good thing, if only it were actually happening.


I think the issue of the composition of the next generation is a bigger issue than the number. Once it gets to the point that its cheaper to have a machine mow a lawn than a Mexican, our economy, especially for the lower classes, is going to be in a world of hurt. The trend of more highly educated women is fueling the problem in another way. It used to be that most doctors were male, and they would tend to marry their highschool sweetheart, spreading the education and smarts around. Nowadays, that male doctor is marrying a female doctor and their birth rate is lower than average. The money and education is being super-concentrated in ever an ever smaller group of people. Skilled immigration is an example of that. The smartest and most driven people are being plucked out of the third world and added to already successful countries. Add to that the graying of the population. We're going to end up with an over-supply of unskilled labor, massive demands on the welfare state and a small group of elites wielding a disproportionate amount of power. We are not going to be able to borrow and consume our way out of this.
2012-12-09 01:53:57 PM
1 votes:

Tommy Moo: Population decline would be a good thing, if only it were actually happening.


actually, there's nothing wrong with the population. it's the activities of certain populations that are exponentially more harmful than just people. if the US would put a fraction of it's effort into wise resource use and innovation there wouldn't be a problem at all. but it's merika and ignorance is the flag of the past half century, and it doesn't look like it will be changing any time soon.
2012-12-09 01:40:13 PM
1 votes:

shortymac: Maybe if it wasn't so expensive to have kids, more people my age who are not on the dole would have them.

-Daycare costs are almost as much as college education
-Public schools suck so much you either buy your way into a good district or pay for private
-I live in Canada so I'm lucky to get paid mat leave, US is lucky if you get a month
-House and Rent prices are sky-high so more kids = more space
-I still have student loans to pay off, i'm lucky I took out a pittance to boot.

If we didn't have 20 years of stagnated wages it might be doable, but not now.


We do live in interesting times. I'm curious to see how the lack of entry level jobs that require a college education are going to effect college enrollment and their rediculous tuition rates.
2012-12-09 01:37:54 PM
1 votes:
Meh, the bugs are gonna get us in the end. Already seeing the beginnings of the next plague in hospitals around the US.

Mother Nature can take care of herself.
2012-12-09 01:05:16 PM
1 votes:

WhippingBoy: violetvolume: WhippingBoy: violetvolume: Oh, the freakout over this is so stupid. The human race isn't going to die out. We're not going to descend into chaos. This isn't Children of Men. People aren't having kids because kids are expensive and the economy is bad. We'll all live. The economy will not come crashing down because women aren't having enough babies. IT WILL ALL BE OKAY.

I hate to break it to you, but problems aren't solved by wishful thinking...

Uh.... what?

Naively stating that "there is no problem" and that "IT WILL ALL BE OK" doesn't necessarily make it true.


Do YOU think there's a problem? Do you think all this alarmist stuff about the economy and innovation and everything will actually happen? Sure it COULD, and then there'd be a problem. But a dip in the birth rate during a recession is neither unheard of nor an issue. In fact, it makes sense. People just want to freak out about stuff, and "freaking out about women and babies" is always a topic that's sure to get people's dander up.
2012-12-09 01:04:34 PM
1 votes:
i'd love to, but nowadays lots of folks have to choose between getting an education and having a family. i chose education. we'll see how that pans out.
2012-12-09 01:03:52 PM
1 votes:

BokChoy: The only problem is that those immigrants bring baggage with them, as Europe has been finding out over the past few decades..


Um, the US is composed (nearly) entirely of immigrants. Europe's problem with immigrants is that they made it entirely clear from the outset that the Turks, North Africans, Pakistanis and others would never, ever be considered residents of those European nations. That led to ghettos, and then to lots of the problems that they're having now.

The US is much, much better than that at assimilating groups of people and making them feel like they're us. Not perfect, but much better.
2012-12-09 01:01:50 PM
1 votes:
Young populations are better than aged populations. As far as overpopulation is concerned, the death rate is more of a problem than the birth rate. That makes the issue stickier.
2012-12-09 12:51:36 PM
1 votes:

Cyrusv10: Yeah, but why do people in third world countries insist on having more babies?

/makes no sense


Uneducated women who have few rights in their homelands or opportunities in life except to get married are the ones having babies, many of the times not by choice. And in many of these countries, these women don't have the right to refuse to have sex with their husbands, and sometimes little or no access to affordable birth control.

As has been found time and time again: Educate women and give them opportunities and birth rates drop.
2012-12-09 12:51:03 PM
1 votes:

FourPetesake: RobertBruce: Hell, massive regressive societal changes will help. Women, go home and raise the kids again. Men get the jobs, children are raised in a civilized manner, and probably most importantly children are born when women are younger which is far healthier for both mother and child.

The problem with this is that it's near impossable for a family to function on one income. My husband works full time and makes pretty good money, yet we still rent and can't afford to buy a house, and I work part time in the evenings anyway. For now, our one child is all that we can afford/have room for.


Yeah, I doubt employers will suddenly double wages if the workforces halves by all the women leaving it, or match with whatever proportions thereabouts.
2012-12-09 12:43:32 PM
1 votes:

WhippingBoy: Surpheon: Theaetetus: I find that most of the people fearmongering about the declining birth rate are primarily concerned about the declining white birth rate.

Aaannnddd done.

Declining birthrate is not a problem for generations unless you are scared about brown people - who are genetically incapable of being as civilized as you- marrying your kids (your good, white bred kids).

Or maybe people want to preserve their cultural identity. I guess only non-white people are allowed to do that, though.


"Preserve your cultural identity-quit putting your dick in brown people!"
2012-12-09 12:43:23 PM
1 votes:

hubiestubert: Well, there's that idea, or we could accept changing economic conditions and limitations on land, and look to more sustainable economic models...


Done in one.

\might be the first time I've done the "done in one" tidbit
2012-12-09 12:40:36 PM
1 votes:

violetvolume: WhippingBoy: violetvolume: Oh, the freakout over this is so stupid. The human race isn't going to die out. We're not going to descend into chaos. This isn't Children of Men. People aren't having kids because kids are expensive and the economy is bad. We'll all live. The economy will not come crashing down because women aren't having enough babies. IT WILL ALL BE OKAY.

I hate to break it to you, but problems aren't solved by wishful thinking...

Uh.... what?


Naively stating that "there is no problem" and that "IT WILL ALL BE OK" doesn't necessarily make it true.
2012-12-09 12:38:15 PM
1 votes:

Surpheon: Theaetetus: I find that most of the people fearmongering about the declining birth rate are primarily concerned about the declining white birth rate.

Aaannnddd done.

Declining birthrate is not a problem for generations unless you are scared about brown people - who are genetically incapable of being as civilized as you- marrying your kids (your good, white bred kids).


Or maybe people want to preserve their cultural identity. I guess only non-white people are allowed to do that, though.
2012-12-09 12:36:04 PM
1 votes:
it's all a moot point in 13 days any way

/ammirite?
2012-12-09 12:35:36 PM
1 votes:
FTFA: But this doesn't quite work, because our population will not simply get smaller; it will also get older. If everyone was going to suddenly die at 45, we might be able to get the requisite productivity boost

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2012-12-09 12:35:34 PM
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api.ning.com
2012-12-09 12:35:33 PM
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This is so farked. Reliance on growth is never sustainable. People that think like this are farked in the head. Overpopulation is the root of every problem we face as a species. fark these people.
2012-12-09 12:33:47 PM
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WhippingBoy: violetvolume: Oh, the freakout over this is so stupid. The human race isn't going to die out. We're not going to descend into chaos. This isn't Children of Men. People aren't having kids because kids are expensive and the economy is bad. We'll all live. The economy will not come crashing down because women aren't having enough babies. IT WILL ALL BE OKAY.

I hate to break it to you, but problems aren't solved by wishful thinking...


Uh.... what?
2012-12-09 12:29:42 PM
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Anybody worried there aren't enough people is more than welcome to ride along on my morning commute.

/Fingers crossed for a lethal pandemic to do some weeding out.
2012-12-09 12:26:58 PM
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As yes, immigration. The silver bullet that will cure all economic woes, and also provide desperately-needed trendy eateries for yuppies.

The only problem is that those immigrants bring baggage with them, as Europe has been finding out over the past few decades..
2012-12-09 12:19:57 PM
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I have 3 kids, all raised with functioning bullshiat meters and nothing short of loathing for right wingers, bible beaters and other ignoramii.
2012-12-09 12:16:23 PM
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The My Little Pony Killer: Can we start with other people actually taking care of the children they already have, or is that too much?


We have one birth child and one adopted child. I've starting with taking care other people's children.
2012-12-09 12:16:09 PM
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I will be content today by continuing to contribute to this problem. I will be sitting in my computer room playing Everquest and watching the Vikings end their season.
2012-12-09 12:11:22 PM
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I hope that all of the people who don't think this is a problem are ok with Medicare and Social Security not existing when it comes time for them to collect. We don't need massive population growth, but you need young workers to support those programs. Otherwise they go away. And I'd better not see you screaming that they shouldn't ever be cut, either.

//Completely support those programs, as long as reasonable mods are made to keep them sustainable. But none of that is possible if we have population decline.

PS - if the US, Europe, and Japan are all competing for immigrants... does immigration solve our problem? Probably aren't enough to go around.
2012-12-09 12:08:00 PM
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Cyrusv10: Yeah, but why do people in third world countries insist on having more babies?

/makes no sense


Well, sex is fun and there's not a whole lot of entertainment options for the poor in most 3rd world countries. Combine higher infant mortality rates with societal and religious barriers to birth control and then toss in the fact that kids in a lot of these countries are viewed as a viable labor force and you get population explosion. The infant mortality thing seems counter intuitive at first, but the way you get around that is by trying to have more kids.
2012-12-09 12:05:20 PM
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ThatGuyFromTheInternet: GAT_00: Corvus: Or just relax immigration as needed. Not that hard of a problem to solve.

That's the actual solution. There are plenty of young people on the damn planet. Just get them to move here.

As a young person struggling to find a job here already, I object.


Yeah, but that's a problem with greedy businesses, not demographics.
2012-12-09 12:04:10 PM
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2012-12-09 12:00:43 PM
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To paraphrase Voltaire, the comfort of the rich requires a vast population of poor.

There is absolutely no danger we'll run out of workers to wipe the butts of nursing-home patients, though we might well run out of workers poor and desperate enough to do this in exchange for poverty wages.
2012-12-09 12:00:04 PM
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The unstated issue is that brown people are breeding. AND they worship the wrong deities.
2012-12-09 11:59:03 AM
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You need to raise 3 kids. The first one to learn how to do it, the second to get it right and the third to get it the way you wanted in the first place.
2012-12-09 11:53:44 AM
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Yeah, but why do people in third world countries insist on having more babies?

/makes no sense
2012-12-09 11:53:11 AM
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GAT_00: Corvus: Or just relax immigration as needed. Not that hard of a problem to solve.

That's the actual solution. There are plenty of young people on the damn planet. Just get them to move here.


NOOOOOO! They might vote for *gasp* DEMOCRATS!!!!!111!
2012-12-09 11:21:07 AM
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Corvus: Or just relax immigration as needed. Not that hard of a problem to solve.


That's the actual solution. There are plenty of young people on the damn planet. Just get them to move here.
2012-12-09 11:19:04 AM
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Or just relax immigration as needed. Not that hard of a problem to solve.
 
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