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(Spike)   You're a small downloadable game with an African-American anti-hero that's made by a team of just under 40 people. Do you: c) Beat out franchises like Assassin's Creed III for Game of the Year at the industry's only televised award show?   (spike.com) divider line 115
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2012-12-09 02:53:34 PM

t3knomanser: Goodfella: Ass Creed III is easily the worst of the series.

Wow, because my brief experience with AC:Brotherhood (the only one I played) was terrible. It's hard to believe it gets worse.


Then you do NOT want to touch Revelations.

/shining example of 'unnecessary sequel', that
 
2012-12-09 02:56:41 PM

TheMysticS: Apik0r0s: This is my son's favorite game. But he doesn't play it, neither do his friends. They watch Yogscast videos of other people playing the game and are just happy as clams with that. I even offered to get it for him - "Wouldn't you rather play it than watching somebody else play?" Nope.

They do this with a lot of games, watch the Let's Play videos and not play the games.

Glad to see this phenomena is not limited to my household.
My kids play more than they watch, but The Yoggis are pretty awesome. In a dorky sort of way.


Embarrassed to admit I did the same thing (Not the Yogscast though). My only defense is I'm too broke to buy games right now.

But I love watching games like this. Its great watching Mr "BOOM, HEADSHOT!" reacting to the unexpected plot twists, and trying to hold back tears during the final episode. The game just brings out emotions in gamers that you didn't think even existed anymore.
 
2012-12-09 02:58:56 PM

Old enough to know better: The game just brings out emotions in gamers that you didn't think even existed anymore.


I've been depressed all day since looking at TWD Confessions (linked above).
 
2012-12-09 03:12:42 PM

yelmrog: sleeper2995: Good to see Borderlands 2 take home a lot of awards but I was a little sad to not see Tiny Tina nominated for a best female character. Shiat! I care more about these awards than any other awards show.

I have a love-hate relationship with the game.

On one hand, it's more challenging than the original and lots and lots of fun.

On the other hand, my character got bricked two months into playing. Damn thing reset my badass rankings but didn't reset my badass challenges, so all my bonuses disappeared with no way to get them back. Also, Gearbox hasn't even told anyone what the problem is or if they intend to fix it.


I had the same thing happen but they have the fix done, it's just got to get pushed out on consoles. I'll see if I can find the link.
 
2012-12-09 03:15:05 PM
http://www.examiner.com/article/update-on-the-borderlands-2-badass-ran k-reset-fix-on-ps3-and-xbox-360

All your ranks should come back and any quest specific skins they can track down. Plus I think someone said free keys.
 
2012-12-09 03:25:40 PM

LesserEvil: Why does it matter what the race of the protagonist is? Haven't we gone beyond that point, where it matters at all, for most gamers?


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Nope. Not yet
 
2012-12-09 03:35:46 PM

NeoCortex42: itsdan: Plus it's educational. Radios take batteries, and batteries go inside the radio. Who knew?

But they have to go in the right way. That's important.

Quigs: Halo won best graphics? Yeah. I can go on ignoring the rest of these awards if that's the bullshiat fanboyism that makes their decisions.

It had good graphics, but best? Hell no. And I'm a pretty big fan of the games.
/Still annoyed the covenant no longer speak English like the first game.

LesserEvil: Why does it matter what the race of the protagonist is? Haven't we gone beyond that point, where it matters at all, for most gamers?

Well, it does make it more progressive than the TV series, which has a "one black guy" rule and barely even gives those guys any character at all.




And as soon as they kill of the black guy (Hollywood rule #101: the black guy is always the first to die), they bring in the new black guy within about five minutes. Its like they don't even try to pretend what it is they're doing.

At least the new black guy is that badass boxer guy from The Wire.
 
2012-12-09 04:06:10 PM
jack21221:
In my version of the game, I can tell you the story of Lee and Kenny. They became best friends soon after meeting, and had each others backs for months until his wife and kid died. Their friendship couldn't withstand something of that magnitude, and they had a falling out resulting in a fistfight. It took a while for this relationship to even begin to heal, and just as it appeared they had finally broken through and made peace, Kenny dies.

In somebody else's game, Lee and Kenny could be bitter rivals from beginning to end. Sure, the ending is the same, but they experienced a different story than I did.

That's how it went in my game, too. I liked Kenny, even if I did made the strategic decision to try and save Shawn over his kid on Hershel's farm.
 
2012-12-09 04:09:35 PM

seapig: I liked Kenny


I always liked Kenny, but I could never could trust Kenny. When his family was around, I knew he'd throw everyone else under the bus for them. When his family was gone, I didn't know whathe would do.
 
2012-12-09 04:18:34 PM

seapig:

That's how it went in my game, too. I liked Kenny, even if I did made the strategic decision to try and save Shawn over his kid on Hershel's farm.


Understandable really. Duck is such an annoying little fark in the first couple of chapters.
 
2012-12-09 04:31:32 PM

hubiestubert: In fairness, the Walking Dead game had better characters and plot than the TV series too...


I would agree with you up to this season. Season 3 has kicked butt, turned Carl into a character I care about and killed Lori. Been great so far.
 
2012-12-09 04:32:52 PM

seapig: That's how it went in my game, too. I liked Kenny, even if I did made the strategic decision to try and save Shawn over his kid on Hershel's farm.


And Kenny never forgave me for not helping his kid, even though Duck seemed to be in less immediate danger at the time.
 
2012-12-09 05:07:43 PM

Memes Ate My Balls: Really one of the few games I've played where I gave an actual damn about the characters.


Are you telling me you weren't swept away by this guy's winning personality?? 

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-09 05:12:12 PM

Apik0r0s: This is my son's favorite game. But he doesn't play it, neither do his friends. They watch Yogscast videos of other people playing the game and are just happy as clams with that. I even offered to get it for him - "Wouldn't you rather play it than watching somebody else play?" Nope.

They do this with a lot of games, watch the Let's Play videos and not play the games.


I do that too, because I get addicted to video games. I'd rather watch a video of it than waste my entire Saturday playing some game. Plus, I suck at video games.
 
2012-12-09 05:14:56 PM

yelmrog: On the other hand, my character got bricked two months into playing. Damn thing reset my badass rankings but didn't reset my badass challenges, so all my bonuses disappeared with no way to get them back. Also, Gearbox hasn't even told anyone what the problem is or if they intend to fix it.


I was going to make a snarky comment, but are you on PC or console? It's fixable in about 30 seconds on PC. If you're on a console you got what you deserved you filthy crap-box player.

Even on a console, I think there are ways to import characters, so you could potentially go online, hack out a character to be roughly correct, and then put it on your console.
 
2012-12-09 05:33:06 PM
I had Duck helping me solve something like my little side kick, and then I have to shoot him as he turns by the end of the chapter :(
 
2012-12-09 05:43:05 PM
you farkers make me want this game.
 
2012-12-09 05:53:16 PM

Altair: Memes Ate My Balls: Really one of the few games I've played where I gave an actual damn about the characters.

Are you telling me you weren't swept away by this guy's winning personality?? 

[i.imgur.com image 250x307]


He was at least better than that asshole Cloud.
 
2012-12-09 05:59:36 PM

jack21221: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Having played the whole game, the moral choices ... don't really matter.

They matter as much or more than the choices made in the Mass Effect games.

Sure, you get the same ending, but the story on the way to that ending is different.


Not really. You can make choices that doom or save entire races or characters in ME. In Walking Dead most events play out the same regardless of your choices, and occasionally in ways that seem out of place for certain characters. The game does a good job making you think those choices matter, but they don't. It's like a choose your own adventure book where every choice goes to the same page regardless.

I think it's cool that a non-mainstream game in a niche genre won a mainstream award, but as an game it barely gives the player any kind of interaction.
 
2012-12-09 06:00:46 PM
So what subby's headline tells me is the game sucks and only won because of political correctness. Thanks for the info.
 
2012-12-09 06:02:43 PM
With the deaths of Cortana, Lee and Desmond that's a morbid selection of games. Death was in the air this year.
 
2012-12-09 06:10:04 PM

thamike: Barricaded Gunman: thamike: But is it a good game?

Good question. Because after pre-ordering it, looking forward to it for months, and then playing 15 or so hours of Assassin's Creed 3, I can tell you that I won't be purchasing any more AC games either A) featuring Connor, or B) taking place during the colonial revolution. I can't imagine bothering to finish this mess. Deathly goddamn dull, all the way. Every other game in the series was superior to this overhyped grindfest.  How in the world does anyone think that spending hours hunting bears and rabbits so you can take their pelts to a trading post to trade for items you need is a good time? It's like the whole "eating and working out" idea from GTA: San Andreas... a bad idea, poorly realized. Do game developers learn nothing from each others' mistakes?

I was asking about the Walking Dead game, but it's good to know about AC3 before buying it, too, so thanks.


I never purposely hunted a single animal outside the tutorials and barely bought anything, so I didn't find anything grindy about it. And I liked Conner's story after it got rolling. But I agree, speaking as a big fan of the series otherwise, that overall AC3 was a big disappointment for other reasons.

Tree climbing and naval combat aside(which were both pretty neat) the gameplay felt like a step backwards, like it needed more fine tuning. And the missions and assassinations didn't feel as well planned out either.

/I still feel 2 was the high point
//brotherhood made improvements but didn't feel like as full of a game if that makes sense
 
2012-12-09 06:14:40 PM

Lumbar Puncture: Not really. You can make choices that doom or save entire races or characters in ME. In Walking Dead most events play out the same regardless of your choices


And you make choices that doom characters in Walking Dead too. t3knomanser gives a great example. In one person's story, Lee kills Ben. In another person's story, Lee saves Ben, leading to a nice scene between Kenny and Ben. Can you see how these two things are different?
 
2012-12-09 06:20:24 PM

jack21221: Lumbar Puncture: Not really. You can make choices that doom or save entire races or characters in ME. In Walking Dead most events play out the same regardless of your choices

And you make choices that doom characters in Walking Dead too. t3knomanser gives a great example. In one person's story, Lee kills Ben. In another person's story, Lee saves Ben, leading to a nice scene between Kenny and Ben. Can you see how these two things are different?


In one case you can save one of two characters, but no matter what one you choose by chapter three they both die in the exact same situation, despite the character killing them not really having any motivation to suspect them over anyone else. Can you see how a character driven game might be construed as failing to do that when it can easily switch characters around?

Great, I can get a nice scene that changes nothing, except maybe some characters will remember that event, unless it's inconvenient to the plot for them to remember that.

I saved a placeholder character that has all the character development of a placeholder character, yay!
 
2012-12-09 07:04:22 PM
I did enjoy his character progression. He grew.
 
2012-12-09 07:20:55 PM

Lumbar Puncture: Great, I can get a nice scene that changes nothing, except maybe some characters will remember that event, unless it's inconvenient to the plot for them to remember that.


It isn't about the characters remembering the event, you uncultured savage. It's the fact that I remember the event. It changes the story that I experience. It's also really bizarre that you call a character that is with you from episodes 2-5 a "placeholder character."

Just curious, have you ever read a book aside from ones you were forced to in high school? When you read a book, do you just read the first few pages and then the ending? You're acting as if the ending is the only thing that matters. I maintain that all of the stuff in between is the important stuff.
 
2012-12-09 07:26:37 PM

Barricaded Gunman: How in the world does anyone think that spending hours hunting bears and rabbits so you can take their pelts to a trading post to trade for items you need is a good time?


i1282.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-09 07:27:05 PM
Far Cry 3
 
2012-12-09 07:43:23 PM

jack21221: Lumbar Puncture: Great, I can get a nice scene that changes nothing, except maybe some characters will remember that event, unless it's inconvenient to the plot for them to remember that.

It isn't about the characters remembering the event, you uncultured savage. It's the fact that I remember the event. It changes the story that I experience. It's also really bizarre that you call a character that is with you from episodes 2-5 a "placeholder character."

Just curious, have you ever read a book aside from ones you were forced to in high school? When you read a book, do you just read the first few pages and then the ending? You're acting as if the ending is the only thing that matters. I maintain that all of the stuff in between is the important stuff.


My opinion about a game is different than yours and you can't handle it to the point that you use insults instead of presenting a thought out counter argument, but I'm the 'uncultured savage'. LOL. I'm glad the game managed to connect on such an emotional level with you, it shows that the work of the developers did pay off.

Much like all the choices in the game, nothing I say will really make a difference to you, so why bother?

Speaking of reading comprehension, I was referring to the placeholder character from the example I used (which would be Doug or Carley), not Ben, who barely gets any type of character development as well through Chapters 2-5 and is pretty much the definition of a two dimensional character. If you think he's a well developed character, then I agree that we certainly have different levels of literary tastes.
 
2012-12-09 08:23:05 PM

meathome: And yet, Dave Fennoy didn't get best male VO.

/great game, but I think he should have won the award... one of the best game VOs I've heard in a while.


Nope, the voice for Handsome Jack won. He was the villain you love to hate in Borderlands 2.
 
2012-12-09 08:26:08 PM

Lumbar Puncture: jack21221: Lumbar Puncture: Great, I can get a nice scene that changes nothing, except maybe some characters will remember that event, unless it's inconvenient to the plot for them to remember that.

It isn't about the characters remembering the event, you uncultured savage. It's the fact that I remember the event. It changes the story that I experience. It's also really bizarre that you call a character that is with you from episodes 2-5 a "placeholder character."

Just curious, have you ever read a book aside from ones you were forced to in high school? When you read a book, do you just read the first few pages and then the ending? You're acting as if the ending is the only thing that matters. I maintain that all of the stuff in between is the important stuff.

My opinion about a game is different than yours and you can't handle it to the point that you use insults instead of presenting a thought out counter argument, but I'm the 'uncultured savage'. LOL. I'm glad the game managed to connect on such an emotional level with you, it shows that the work of the developers did pay off.

Much like all the choices in the game, nothing I say will really make a difference to you, so why bother?

Speaking of reading comprehension, I was referring to the placeholder character from the example I used (which would be Doug or Carley), not Ben, who barely gets any type of character development as well through Chapters 2-5 and is pretty much the definition of a two dimensional character. If you think he's a well developed character, then I agree that we certainly have different levels of literary tastes.


The overall standard for writing "round" characters for video games is so incredibly low that a character like Ben seems to be one of the greatest in history. Let's face it, very few video games rely on good writing or good plotting, relying instead on momentum or atmosphere.
 
2012-12-09 08:38:19 PM

johnnyboog: Far Cry 3


Nominations ended a month before that game even came out.

whizbangthedirtfarmer: The overall standard for writing "round" characters for video games is so incredibly low that a character like Ben seems to be one of the greatest in history. Let's face it, very few video games rely on good writing or good plotting, relying instead on momentum or atmosphere


It's improving in different way, but yeah, it has a long way to go. I do appreciate that even though the choices were mostly an illusion, they were at least beyond the very obvious good/bad/neutral decisions of other games with dialog choices.
 
2012-12-09 09:04:00 PM
It was a cold day here and I powered through chapters 3-5 this afternoon before seeing this article.

I really liked the Walking Dead, with some caveats. First of all, its less 'game' and more interactive story. Sure, you look around and point and click on things, but there isn't much actual game there. Even as an adventure game, its pretty simplistic.

That said,it was worth every penny of the $10 I paid for it on steam, and its one of the few games ever I actually cared about the characters. I set out trying to kill everyone, but ended up trying to save them.
 
2012-12-09 09:27:54 PM
Journey looks cool and the soundtrack is excellent.

Is it anything?

/playstation exclusive, so I'll never know
 
2012-12-09 10:52:52 PM
The game was based on the comic, and not on the TV show at all. If you like the game, try the book.
 
2012-12-09 11:06:17 PM
I bought the season pass to TWD on the playstation network. Wife is playing one of the save slots and I have another. I try to play my episode out differently than hers, just to see the other possible outcomes. As far as AC, I have played every one up to this one. I have the first two but used gamefly to rent the third one, probably this one as well. True it doesn't seem to be following the storyline concept but I play just for the pleasure of getting to sneak up behind someone and take them out stealthily. Even better love to equip the poison dagger and just go along beside a walking detail of soldiers and get them one at a time, step back and watch them go buggars.

/that and the fact of doing the secret temple levels for the bonus armor and weapons is always fun.
 
2012-12-09 11:21:43 PM
I do not understand AC games or the love for them at all. Tried them multiple times and just soooooo slooowwww to start. Never could get interested.
 
2012-12-09 11:27:24 PM

jimmyjackfunk: I bought the season pass to TWD on the playstation network. Wife is playing one of the save slots and I have another. I try to play my episode out differently than hers, just to see the other possible outcomes. As far as AC, I have played every one up to this one. I have the first two but used gamefly to rent the third one, probably this one as well. True it doesn't seem to be following the storyline concept but I play just for the pleasure of getting to sneak up behind someone and take them out stealthily. Even better love to equip the poison dagger and just go along beside a walking detail of soldiers and get them one at a time, step back and watch them go buggars.

/that and the fact of doing the secret temple levels for the bonus armor and weapons is always fun.


I mostly play AC for the multiplayer. It used to be one of the more innovative deathmatch type game, but now it's getting stale. It's still fun but they really haven't added anything to make it significantly better and there are still weird issues with timing and such that Ubi doesn't seem interested in fixing.
 
2012-12-10 02:30:03 AM
Is AC3 really that bad? I finally got around to finishing AC2 the other day...guess I won't bother.
 
2012-12-10 07:36:26 AM
No pandas?
 
2012-12-10 07:53:03 AM
Certain it's a great game. However, also certain it only won because Americans have a serious hard-on for anything zombie right now.
 
2012-12-10 08:23:51 AM

Apik0r0s: This is my son's favorite game. But he doesn't play it, neither do his friends. They watch Yogscast videos of other people playing the game and are just happy as clams with that. I even offered to get it for him - "Wouldn't you rather play it than watching somebody else play?" Nope.

They do this with a lot of games, watch the Let's Play videos and not play the games.


My 12 year-old does the same thing. He'd watch YouTube videos of 20-something stoners playing BF3 for hours if I let him.
 
2012-12-10 09:11:02 AM

Gunderson: LesserEvil: Why does it matter what the race of the protagonist is? Haven't we gone beyond that point, where it matters at all, for most gamers?

[img.photobucket.com image 500x374]

Nope. Not yet


He was the first to be able to swim, though
 
2012-12-10 09:11:48 AM
Dishonored is a seriously underrated game and Far Cry 3 is goddamned outstanding.
 
2012-12-10 09:17:49 AM

Imperious Rex!: Is AC3 really that bad? I finally got around to finishing AC2 the other day...guess I won't bother.


No, it's not that bad, it's just kind of played out at this point. They revamped the engine so that they can include weather and more enemies, which is cool when you get to some of the big battle scenes.
 
2012-12-10 09:49:22 AM

Imperious Rex!: Is AC3 really that bad? I finally got around to finishing AC2 the other day...guess I won't bother.


No, no it is not. Fans don't like it because the game play (plot and main character) are becoming different from what they were originally. It is still a beautiful and fun game. They really need to work on story and how it integrates with gameplay more. Anyone who says it is absolute crap is pretty jaded at this point.

Egoy3k: Dishonored is a seriously underrated game and Far Cry 3 is goddamned outstanding.


Picked up dishonored and can't wait to play it. Saw the commercial for Far Cry 3 and debating whether I should get it now, or later next year when I buy a desktop.
 
2012-12-10 10:38:42 AM
Thanks for the response. I still have to work through Brotherhood and Revelations (I am a completionist that way), but I'll probably pick this up sometime next year.
 
2012-12-10 11:13:17 AM

hubiestubert: In fairness, the Walking Dead game had better characters and plot than the TV series too...


It's a salt lick, but don't lick it.

Did you lick it Clem?

I don't know.
 
2012-12-10 11:19:21 AM

The Gentleman Caller: Lee is a fully fleshed out character with a backstory and good emotional reasons for what he says and does. There's no WHOOOOO BABY YEAH YEAH!!! with him, only concern and love for others. That never happens in games.


Red Dead Redemption's Marston was a loving husband, so you couldn't bang the dozens of whores in the game.

Disappointing.
 
2012-12-10 12:23:36 PM

Inigo: It's not so much a game as it is "EVERYTHING YOU DO IS WRONG: A Choose-Your-Own-Adventure Book"


Hah! Having just finished the last chapter yesterday evening, I found this comment spot on. Now, this is NOT a criticism of the game, just an observation. It's basically the Walking Dead equivalent of the Kobayashi Maru test. Sometimes that's what the setting calls for! I loved every soul-crushing minute.

whizbangthedirtfarmer: n my version of the game, I can tell you the story of Lee and Kenny. They became best friends soon after meeting, and had each others backs for months until his wife and kid died. Their friendship couldn't withstand something of that magnitude, and they had a falling out resulting in a fistfight. It took a while for this relationship to even begin to heal, and just as it appeared they had finally broken through and made peace, Kenny dies.

In somebody else's game, Lee and Kenny could be bitter rivals from beginning to end. Sure, the ending is the same, but they experienced a different story than I did.

Pretty much everything I've bolded remains the same across however you play the game.


I've found that this is not necessarily the case. The only real falling out I had with Kenny was over whether or not to let him kill Larry. He hated me for a few days after that but we were tight for the rest of the game.
 
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