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(Spike)   You're a small downloadable game with an African-American anti-hero that's made by a team of just under 40 people. Do you: c) Beat out franchises like Assassin's Creed III for Game of the Year at the industry's only televised award show?   (spike.com) divider line 115
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2012-12-09 07:05:40 AM  
Good to see Borderlands 2 take home a lot of awards but I was a little sad to not see Tiny Tina nominated for a best female character. Shiat! I care more about these awards than any other awards show.
 
2012-12-09 08:58:13 AM  
In fairness, the Walking Dead game had better characters and plot than the TV series too...
 
2012-12-09 09:11:18 AM  

hubiestubert: In fairness, the Walking Dead game had better characters and plot than the TV series too...


Plus it's educational. Radios take batteries, and batteries go inside the radio. Who knew?
 
2012-12-09 09:13:55 AM  
That's too long of an answer for the c) meme subby
 
2012-12-09 09:21:38 AM  
But is it a good game?
 
2012-12-09 10:02:01 AM  
Serious Clementine, stop staring at me while I try to murder a member of the group that you think deserves a second chance.
 
2012-12-09 10:33:49 AM  
You're a small downloadable game with an African-American anti-hero that's made by a team of just under 40 people.

I don't think you can really count this one as an indie game, Subs, since it's based on a tv show with a budget of several million.
 
2012-12-09 10:42:45 AM  

Theaetetus: I don't think you can really count this one as an indie game, Subs, since it's based on a tv show with a budget of several million.


It's based on the comic books. But yeah it's still riding the success of the show. It's still a tiny project compared to the others in the list though.
 
2012-12-09 11:49:25 AM  

DanZero: That's too long of an answer for the c) meme subby


Yeah... I wrote it at 4:30 a.m. while halfway drunk. Not my finest moment, but hey, greenlight.

Theaetetus: You're a small downloadable game with an African-American anti-hero that's made by a team of just under 40 people.

I don't think you can really count this one as an indie game, Subs, since it's based on a tv show with a budget of several million.


I deliberately left out "indie" because Telltale is far from it. I don't think it diminishes the team's accomplishment, though. When was the last time we had a genuinely good point and click game on consoles*, let alone one that had you as emotionally invested as TWD did?

*Yes, I know that it's on PC too.
 
2012-12-09 11:52:13 AM  
This is my son's favorite game. But he doesn't play it, neither do his friends. They watch Yogscast videos of other people playing the game and are just happy as clams with that. I even offered to get it for him - "Wouldn't you rather play it than watching somebody else play?" Nope.

They do this with a lot of games, watch the Let's Play videos and not play the games.
 
2012-12-09 11:54:12 AM  
Halo won best graphics? Yeah. I can go on ignoring the rest of these awards if that's the bullshiat fanboyism that makes their decisions.
 
2012-12-09 11:54:51 AM  
TWD Confessions.

The game was way better than the series, and honestly, better than the comics, too. I got invested in it like I never got invested in the other stuff.

And it's amazing, because there really isn't much game there. There's just enough game that you can call it one, but barely. It's point-and-click with the odd QTE, but there's just enough to it that it feels very immersive. Probably the single best design decision was making most of the dialogue options require quick responses.
 
2012-12-09 11:56:03 AM  
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2012-12-09 11:56:17 AM  
I am currently on Episode 4 of TWD Game. I have not been this emotionally invested in a game since, well, ever. The game play is simplistic but the story you get to navigate through is just fantastic. Moral choices that have an effect on the future events in the game remind me of the choose your own adventure books of my youth.
 
2012-12-09 11:57:56 AM  

sleeper2995: Good to see Borderlands 2 take home a lot of awards but I was a little sad to not see Tiny Tina nominated for a best female character. Shiat! I care more about these awards than any other awards show.


I was a little late to the party with that one (grabbed it on Black Friday for $35), but I completely agree. For as little as she's in the story, she makes one hell of an impact, especially when you get the ECHO devices that flesh out her backstory.
 
2012-12-09 11:58:32 AM  
Also, for the L4D fans out there, Lee is a mod for both L4D games.
 
2012-12-09 11:59:48 AM  
Why does it matter what the race of the protagonist is? Haven't we gone beyond that point, where it matters at all, for most gamers?
 
2012-12-09 12:09:01 PM  

LesserEvil: Why does it matter what the race of the protagonist is? Haven't we gone beyond that point, where it matters at all, for most gamers?


www.protovision-online.com

But the bird guy starts with bonus resources!

/the fact that I remember that...
 
2012-12-09 12:10:50 PM  

wippit: LesserEvil: Why does it matter what the race of the protagonist is? Haven't we gone beyond that point, where it matters at all, for most gamers?

[www.protovision-online.com image 302x200]

But the bird guy starts with bonus resources!

/the fact that I remember that...


"Flappers" were the best.
 
2012-12-09 12:13:32 PM  
Wait some people take the Spike video game awards seriously?

Are those people complete dullards?
 
2012-12-09 12:17:45 PM  
thamike: But is it a good game?

Good question. Because after pre-ordering it, looking forward to it for months, and then playing 15 or so hours of Assassin's Creed 3, I can tell you that I won't be purchasing any more AC games either A) featuring Connor, or B) taking place during the colonial revolution. I can't imagine bothering to finish this mess. Deathly goddamn dull, all the way. Every other game in the series was superior to this overhyped grindfest.  How in the world does anyone think that spending hours hunting bears and rabbits so you can take their pelts to a trading post to trade for items you need is a good time? It's like the whole "eating and working out" idea from GTA: San Andreas... a bad idea, poorly realized. Do game developers learn nothing from each others' mistakes?
 
2012-12-09 12:18:04 PM  

chumboobler: I am currently on Episode 4 of TWD Game. I have not been this emotionally invested in a game since, well, ever. The game play is simplistic but the story you get to navigate through is just fantastic. Moral choices that have an effect on the future events in the game remind me of the choose your own adventure books of my youth.


Having played the whole game, the moral choices ... don't really matter. TellTale Games has done a good job of marketing things that way, but you'll still have the same number of characters, and you'll still have the same issue at the end, regardless of what you do. The "choices," such as they are, were based on the statistical feedback of the first two games.
 
2012-12-09 12:19:02 PM  
And yet, Dave Fennoy didn't get best male VO.

/great game, but I think he should have won the award... one of the best game VOs I've heard in a while.
 
2012-12-09 12:20:41 PM  
Really one of the few games I've played where I gave an actual damn about the characters.
 
2012-12-09 12:21:40 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: thamike: But is it a good game?

Good question. Because after pre-ordering it, looking forward to it for months, and then playing 15 or so hours of Assassin's Creed 3, I can tell you that I won't be purchasing any more AC games either A) featuring Connor, or B) taking place during the colonial revolution. I can't imagine bothering to finish this mess. Deathly goddamn dull, all the way. Every other game in the series was superior to this overhyped grindfest.  How in the world does anyone think that spending hours hunting bears and rabbits so you can take their pelts to a trading post to trade for items you need is a good time? It's like the whole "eating and working out" idea from GTA: San Andreas... a bad idea, poorly realized. Do game developers learn nothing from each others' mistakes?


I was asking about the Walking Dead game, but it's good to know about AC3 before buying it, too, so thanks.
 
2012-12-09 12:28:52 PM  

thamike: I was asking about the Walking Dead game


I would say that it is a good experience, but it's not what you might normally expect from a "game". It requires no skill, aside from some quick decision-making, and it doesn't really pose much by way of "challenge"- there are very few cases where you really have any chance of dying or failing in any way.

But it's not one of those "you might as well be watching a movie" games, either, where you're really just solving brief challenges between cut-scenes. The game presents you with a series of choices and puzzles, and how you respond to them matters, or at least the game gives you the sense that it matters. It captures the bleak sense of living at the end of humanity, and the cold awareness that when you die, you will turn into a shambling monster that will kill your friends and loved ones.
 
2012-12-09 12:29:21 PM  
I have to say that for me, game of the year has been Dragon's Dogma. I have never played a game that much. I got it a few months after release and have put over 500 hours of gameplay into it. I can't stop playing it. It's so much fun. I love editing your character at almost anytime (in new game +) and I love that fact that you can change classes at anytime. This was the first rpg that I have loved that the gameplay and combat is what won me over. The story is cool but not important at all. I know it's on no one's game of the year lists, but it really should be.
 
2012-12-09 12:34:50 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Having played the whole game, the moral choices ... don't really matter.


They matter as much or more than the choices made in the Mass Effect games.

Sure, you get the same ending, but the story on the way to that ending is different.
 
2012-12-09 12:38:14 PM  
So did Assassin creed get shutout? i've been rooting against Ubi refused to release a proper sequel to XIII
 
2012-12-09 12:40:50 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: chumboobler: I am currently on Episode 4 of TWD Game. I have not been this emotionally invested in a game since, well, ever. The game play is simplistic but the story you get to navigate through is just fantastic. Moral choices that have an effect on the future events in the game remind me of the choose your own adventure books of my youth.

Having played the whole game, the moral choices ... don't really matter. TellTale Games has done a good job of marketing things that way, but you'll still have the same number of characters, and you'll still have the same issue at the end, regardless of what you do. The "choices," such as they are, were based on the statistical feedback of the first two games.


This is probably my one legitimate gripe about the game. After the initial shock of the ending/last episode wears off, you realize that any major choices that you made affect a few lines of dialogue for one or two episodes at most, that a cop-out or two happens to make people the most moral and immoral people arrive at roughly the same spot. That said, I can understand budget constraints and whatnot forcing them to give you the illusion of changing the game in order to make you question how you'd react to these situations in the moment.
 
2012-12-09 12:42:11 PM  
It's not so much a game as it is "EVERYTHING YOU DO IS WRONG: A Choose-Your-Own-Adventure Book"
 
2012-12-09 12:43:49 PM  

LesserEvil: Why does it matter what the race of the protagonist is? Haven't we gone beyond that point, where it matters at all, for most gamers?


Especially since Assassin's Creed III had a non-white protagonist, so I'm not sure what point subby was trying to make with that comparison.
 
2012-12-09 12:46:57 PM  

jack21221: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Having played the whole game, the moral choices ... don't really matter.

They matter as much or more than the choices made in the Mass Effect games.

Sure, you get the same ending, but the story on the way to that ending is different.


Well, Mass Effect (beyond the first one) sucked, too. I liked The Walking Dead, but let's not pretend that your choices affect anything other than a dialogue tree and who is in your party. Otherwise, Lee's fate (and Clementine's) remains the same.
 
2012-12-09 12:47:40 PM  

jack21221: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Having played the whole game, the moral choices ... don't really matter.

They matter as much or more than the choices made in the Mass Effect games.

Sure, you get the same ending, but the story on the way to that ending is different.


Yeah, that's a better way to put it. At first, I played each episode normally (trying to make the morally right choice as much as possible), then I'd go back and be as much of an asshole as I could to everybody just to see how different it was. Thing is, by the end of the third episode I stopped doing my douchebag playthrough, because I didn't want to see Lee badmouth a little girl or blow off a guy that saved his life. That's the first time that I can remember a game having that kind of effect on me.
 
2012-12-09 12:56:07 PM  

itsdan: Plus it's educational. Radios take batteries, and batteries go inside the radio. Who knew?


But they have to go in the right way. That's important.

Quigs: Halo won best graphics? Yeah. I can go on ignoring the rest of these awards if that's the bullshiat fanboyism that makes their decisions.


It had good graphics, but best? Hell no. And I'm a pretty big fan of the games.
/Still annoyed the covenant no longer speak English like the first game.

LesserEvil: Why does it matter what the race of the protagonist is? Haven't we gone beyond that point, where it matters at all, for most gamers?


Well, it does make it more progressive than the TV series, which has a "one black guy" rule and barely even gives those guys any character at all.
 
2012-12-09 12:58:36 PM  

sleeper2995: Good to see Borderlands 2 take home a lot of awards but I was a little sad to not see Tiny Tina nominated for a best female character. Shiat! I care more about these awards than any other awards show.


I have a love-hate relationship with the game.

On one hand, it's more challenging than the original and lots and lots of fun.

On the other hand, my character got bricked two months into playing. Damn thing reset my badass rankings but didn't reset my badass challenges, so all my bonuses disappeared with no way to get them back. Also, Gearbox hasn't even told anyone what the problem is or if they intend to fix it.
 
2012-12-09 01:00:03 PM  

jack21221: Sure, you get the same ending, but the story on the way to that ending is different.


Incorrigible Astronaut: I didn't want to see Lee badmouth a little girl or blow off a guy that saved his life. That's the first time that I can remember a game having that kind of effect on me.


That's the thing: your choices did matter. The writers and actors created characters that you became invested in, and you cared about how your choices impacted them. It's the epitome of a character-driven story. The plot is on rails- nothing you do really impacts the broader world around you (much like how things really would be in the zombie apocalypse). Your fate is largely out of your hands, and factors completely out of your control are going to wrench things around.

Ben is going to die, but are you the person who dropped him, or are you the person who saved him?
 
2012-12-09 01:03:36 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: thamike: But is it a good game?

Good question. Because after pre-ordering it, looking forward to it for months, and then playing 15 or so hours of Assassin's Creed 3, I can tell you that I won't be purchasing any more AC games either A) featuring Connor, or B) taking place during the colonial revolution. I can't imagine bothering to finish this mess. Deathly goddamn dull, all the way. Every other game in the series was superior to this overhyped grindfest.  How in the world does anyone think that spending hours hunting bears and rabbits so you can take their pelts to a trading post to trade for items you need is a good time? It's like the whole "eating and working out" idea from GTA: San Andreas... a bad idea, poorly realized. Do game developers learn nothing from each others' mistakes?


You should have stuck it out. I just beat the game last night, and nothing beats the thrill and excitement of walking from one cut-scene to the next for the last hour of "gameplay" leading up to a nonsensical and retardiculous ending.
 
2012-12-09 01:05:38 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: I liked The Walking Dead, but let's not pretend that your choices affect anything other than a dialogue tree and who is in your party. Otherwise, Lee's fate (and Clementine's) remains the same.


I strongly disagree. Let me give you just one example. Imagine how different Lord of the Rings would have been if Sam and Frodo never had their falling out on the way to Mt. Doom. Instead, Frodo takes Sam's side, and throws Gollum off of the mountain before Shelob's lair. It would have been a different story, even if the ending ends up being the same.

SPOILER ALERT FOR WALKING DEAD


In my version of the game, I can tell you the story of Lee and Kenny. They became best friends soon after meeting, and had each others backs for months until his wife and kid died. Their friendship couldn't withstand something of that magnitude, and they had a falling out resulting in a fistfight. It took a while for this relationship to even begin to heal, and just as it appeared they had finally broken through and made peace, Kenny dies.

In somebody else's game, Lee and Kenny could be bitter rivals from beginning to end. Sure, the ending is the same, but they experienced a different story than I did.
 
2012-12-09 01:14:18 PM  

itsdan: hubiestubert: In fairness, the Walking Dead game had better characters and plot than the TV series too...

Plus it's educational. Radios take batteries, and batteries go inside the radio. Who knew?


You can combine a wax doll, a horseshoe, and a lighter to make a handle.
 
2012-12-09 01:14:30 PM  

Crudbucket: Barricaded Gunman: thamike: But is it a good game?

Good question. Because after pre-ordering it, looking forward to it for months, and then playing 15 or so hours of Assassin's Creed 3, I can tell you that I won't be purchasing any more AC games either A) featuring Connor, or B) taking place during the colonial revolution. I can't imagine bothering to finish this mess. Deathly goddamn dull, all the way. Every other game in the series was superior to this overhyped grindfest.  How in the world does anyone think that spending hours hunting bears and rabbits so you can take their pelts to a trading post to trade for items you need is a good time? It's like the whole "eating and working out" idea from GTA: San Andreas... a bad idea, poorly realized. Do game developers learn nothing from each others' mistakes?

You should have stuck it out. I just beat the game last night, and nothing beats the thrill and excitement of walking from one cut-scene to the next for the last hour of "gameplay" leading up to a nonsensical and retardiculous ending.


This and This. I was AC's biggest fan till this last one. Told my kids that this is the last AC game I play, which sucks, because AC is one of the two game series I even play anymore. If the Arkham series shiats the bed, I'll be done with gaming all together.
 
2012-12-09 01:16:38 PM  
Ass Creed III is easily the worst of the series.

Its like they forgot what the whole series is supposed to be about. And forsaken so much of what made the first two games unique and interesting.

Never mind the stupid setting. Running around on tree tops? More lame minigames?

They've gotten caught in the greedy Bobby Kotick COD mindset of 'churn out a new game every year' syndrome, and it shows in the shiat tier quality of their product. Assassins Creed 2012: one serious shiatburger. And next year when they churn out Ass Creed 2013 they'll probably have him riding snowmobiles around Aspen, Colorado, hunting down pickpockets.

As usual, Zero Punc covered this travesty pretty well, himself.
 
2012-12-09 01:39:46 PM  

Goodfella: Ass Creed III is easily the worst of the series.


Wow, because my brief experience with AC:Brotherhood (the only one I played) was terrible. It's hard to believe it gets worse.
 
2012-12-09 01:45:13 PM  

LesserEvil: Why does it matter what the race of the protagonist is? Haven't we gone beyond that point, where it matters at all, for most gamers?


I'm not white, but I understand your thinking. I'm sure you are genuine friends with people from other races, but for non-whites, it's about representation here. I think it's less specifically about race, and more about the role of the character. How many black characters in games aren't a filler character or soldier, who says "black soldier" things like Cole Train from gears of war? Not many I can think of, and they're forgettable. In TWD game, Lee is a fully fleshed out character with a backstory and good emotional reasons for what he says and does. There's no WHOOOOO BABY YEAH YEAH!!! with him, only concern and love for others. That never happens in games.
 
2012-12-09 01:47:45 PM  

jack21221: whizbangthedirtfarmer: I liked The Walking Dead, but let's not pretend that your choices affect anything other than a dialogue tree and who is in your party. Otherwise, Lee's fate (and Clementine's) remains the same.

I strongly disagree. Let me give you just one example. Imagine how different Lord of the Rings would have been if Sam and Frodo never had their falling out on the way to Mt. Doom. Instead, Frodo takes Sam's side, and throws Gollum off of the mountain before Shelob's lair. It would have been a different story, even if the ending ends up being the same.

SPOILER ALERT FOR WALKING DEAD


In my version of the game, I can tell you the story of Lee and Kenny. They became best friends soon after meeting, and had each others backs for months until his wife and kid died. Their friendship couldn't withstand something of that magnitude, and they had a falling out resulting in a fistfight. It took a while for this relationship to even begin to heal, and just as it appeared they had finally broken through and made peace, Kenny dies.

In somebody else's game, Lee and Kenny could be bitter rivals from beginning to end. Sure, the ending is the same, but they experienced a different story than I did.


Pretty much everything I've bolded remains the same across however you play the game.
 
2012-12-09 01:52:18 PM  

The Gentleman Caller: who says "black soldier" things like Cole Train from gears of war?


Wait... they named a black character "Cole Train"? Really?

The Gentleman Caller: That never happens in games.


Period. It's more remarkable that Lee and Clementine are obvious minorities, but games are not good at that sort of emotional depth.
 
2012-12-09 02:10:20 PM  

Apik0r0s: This is my son's favorite game. But he doesn't play it, neither do his friends. They watch Yogscast videos of other people playing the game and are just happy as clams with that. I even offered to get it for him - "Wouldn't you rather play it than watching somebody else play?" Nope.

They do this with a lot of games, watch the Let's Play videos and not play the games.


Not so much different from people who watch but don't play sports, I guess.
 
2012-12-09 02:11:21 PM  
Also: Clementine for the protagonist in the sequel, right? Because that would be farking badass. This little nine-year-old leading the way through the zombie apocalypse.
 
2012-12-09 02:49:35 PM  

The Gentleman Caller: LesserEvil: Why does it matter what the race of the protagonist is? Haven't we gone beyond that point, where it matters at all, for most gamers?

I'm not white, but I understand your thinking. I'm sure you are genuine friends with people from other races, but for non-whites, it's about representation here. I think it's less specifically about race, and more about the role of the character. How many black characters in games aren't a filler character or soldier, who says "black soldier" things like Cole Train from gears of war? Not many I can think of, and they're forgettable. In TWD game, Lee is a fully fleshed out character with a backstory and good emotional reasons for what he says and does. There's no WHOOOOO BABY YEAH YEAH!!! with him, only concern and love for others. That never happens in games.


That's more or less what I was getting at in the headline. If you objectively sit back and look at the heroes in each game on the shelf, how many minorities are there? If the industry is really "past that," why is there still such a big disparity? In AC3, ok, the character is half Mohawk, half white. Outside of that, you've got, what, Left for Dead 1 and 2? San Andreas from way back when? Sports games? If it didn't matter, 98% of lead characters wouldn't be caucasian.

/Nerdy white guy
 
2012-12-09 02:52:11 PM  

Apik0r0s: This is my son's favorite game. But he doesn't play it, neither do his friends. They watch Yogscast videos of other people playing the game and are just happy as clams with that. I even offered to get it for him - "Wouldn't you rather play it than watching somebody else play?" Nope.

They do this with a lot of games, watch the Let's Play videos and not play the games.


Glad to see this phenomena is not limited to my household.
My kids play more than they watch, but The Yoggis are pretty awesome. In a dorky sort of way.
 
2012-12-09 02:53:34 PM  

t3knomanser: Goodfella: Ass Creed III is easily the worst of the series.

Wow, because my brief experience with AC:Brotherhood (the only one I played) was terrible. It's hard to believe it gets worse.


Then you do NOT want to touch Revelations.

/shining example of 'unnecessary sequel', that
 
2012-12-09 02:56:41 PM  

TheMysticS: Apik0r0s: This is my son's favorite game. But he doesn't play it, neither do his friends. They watch Yogscast videos of other people playing the game and are just happy as clams with that. I even offered to get it for him - "Wouldn't you rather play it than watching somebody else play?" Nope.

They do this with a lot of games, watch the Let's Play videos and not play the games.

Glad to see this phenomena is not limited to my household.
My kids play more than they watch, but The Yoggis are pretty awesome. In a dorky sort of way.


Embarrassed to admit I did the same thing (Not the Yogscast though). My only defense is I'm too broke to buy games right now.

But I love watching games like this. Its great watching Mr "BOOM, HEADSHOT!" reacting to the unexpected plot twists, and trying to hold back tears during the final episode. The game just brings out emotions in gamers that you didn't think even existed anymore.
 
2012-12-09 02:58:56 PM  

Old enough to know better: The game just brings out emotions in gamers that you didn't think even existed anymore.


I've been depressed all day since looking at TWD Confessions (linked above).
 
2012-12-09 03:12:42 PM  

yelmrog: sleeper2995: Good to see Borderlands 2 take home a lot of awards but I was a little sad to not see Tiny Tina nominated for a best female character. Shiat! I care more about these awards than any other awards show.

I have a love-hate relationship with the game.

On one hand, it's more challenging than the original and lots and lots of fun.

On the other hand, my character got bricked two months into playing. Damn thing reset my badass rankings but didn't reset my badass challenges, so all my bonuses disappeared with no way to get them back. Also, Gearbox hasn't even told anyone what the problem is or if they intend to fix it.


I had the same thing happen but they have the fix done, it's just got to get pushed out on consoles. I'll see if I can find the link.
 
2012-12-09 03:15:05 PM  
http://www.examiner.com/article/update-on-the-borderlands-2-badass-ran k-reset-fix-on-ps3-and-xbox-360

All your ranks should come back and any quest specific skins they can track down. Plus I think someone said free keys.
 
2012-12-09 03:25:40 PM  

LesserEvil: Why does it matter what the race of the protagonist is? Haven't we gone beyond that point, where it matters at all, for most gamers?


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Nope. Not yet
 
2012-12-09 03:35:46 PM  

NeoCortex42: itsdan: Plus it's educational. Radios take batteries, and batteries go inside the radio. Who knew?

But they have to go in the right way. That's important.

Quigs: Halo won best graphics? Yeah. I can go on ignoring the rest of these awards if that's the bullshiat fanboyism that makes their decisions.

It had good graphics, but best? Hell no. And I'm a pretty big fan of the games.
/Still annoyed the covenant no longer speak English like the first game.

LesserEvil: Why does it matter what the race of the protagonist is? Haven't we gone beyond that point, where it matters at all, for most gamers?

Well, it does make it more progressive than the TV series, which has a "one black guy" rule and barely even gives those guys any character at all.




And as soon as they kill of the black guy (Hollywood rule #101: the black guy is always the first to die), they bring in the new black guy within about five minutes. Its like they don't even try to pretend what it is they're doing.

At least the new black guy is that badass boxer guy from The Wire.
 
2012-12-09 04:06:10 PM  
jack21221:
In my version of the game, I can tell you the story of Lee and Kenny. They became best friends soon after meeting, and had each others backs for months until his wife and kid died. Their friendship couldn't withstand something of that magnitude, and they had a falling out resulting in a fistfight. It took a while for this relationship to even begin to heal, and just as it appeared they had finally broken through and made peace, Kenny dies.

In somebody else's game, Lee and Kenny could be bitter rivals from beginning to end. Sure, the ending is the same, but they experienced a different story than I did.

That's how it went in my game, too. I liked Kenny, even if I did made the strategic decision to try and save Shawn over his kid on Hershel's farm.
 
2012-12-09 04:09:35 PM  

seapig: I liked Kenny


I always liked Kenny, but I could never could trust Kenny. When his family was around, I knew he'd throw everyone else under the bus for them. When his family was gone, I didn't know whathe would do.
 
2012-12-09 04:18:34 PM  

seapig:

That's how it went in my game, too. I liked Kenny, even if I did made the strategic decision to try and save Shawn over his kid on Hershel's farm.


Understandable really. Duck is such an annoying little fark in the first couple of chapters.
 
2012-12-09 04:31:32 PM  

hubiestubert: In fairness, the Walking Dead game had better characters and plot than the TV series too...


I would agree with you up to this season. Season 3 has kicked butt, turned Carl into a character I care about and killed Lori. Been great so far.
 
2012-12-09 04:32:52 PM  

seapig: That's how it went in my game, too. I liked Kenny, even if I did made the strategic decision to try and save Shawn over his kid on Hershel's farm.


And Kenny never forgave me for not helping his kid, even though Duck seemed to be in less immediate danger at the time.
 
2012-12-09 05:07:43 PM  

Memes Ate My Balls: Really one of the few games I've played where I gave an actual damn about the characters.


Are you telling me you weren't swept away by this guy's winning personality?? 

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-09 05:12:12 PM  

Apik0r0s: This is my son's favorite game. But he doesn't play it, neither do his friends. They watch Yogscast videos of other people playing the game and are just happy as clams with that. I even offered to get it for him - "Wouldn't you rather play it than watching somebody else play?" Nope.

They do this with a lot of games, watch the Let's Play videos and not play the games.


I do that too, because I get addicted to video games. I'd rather watch a video of it than waste my entire Saturday playing some game. Plus, I suck at video games.
 
2012-12-09 05:14:56 PM  

yelmrog: On the other hand, my character got bricked two months into playing. Damn thing reset my badass rankings but didn't reset my badass challenges, so all my bonuses disappeared with no way to get them back. Also, Gearbox hasn't even told anyone what the problem is or if they intend to fix it.


I was going to make a snarky comment, but are you on PC or console? It's fixable in about 30 seconds on PC. If you're on a console you got what you deserved you filthy crap-box player.

Even on a console, I think there are ways to import characters, so you could potentially go online, hack out a character to be roughly correct, and then put it on your console.
 
2012-12-09 05:33:06 PM  
I had Duck helping me solve something like my little side kick, and then I have to shoot him as he turns by the end of the chapter :(
 
2012-12-09 05:43:05 PM  
you farkers make me want this game.
 
2012-12-09 05:53:16 PM  

Altair: Memes Ate My Balls: Really one of the few games I've played where I gave an actual damn about the characters.

Are you telling me you weren't swept away by this guy's winning personality?? 

[i.imgur.com image 250x307]


He was at least better than that asshole Cloud.
 
2012-12-09 05:59:36 PM  

jack21221: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Having played the whole game, the moral choices ... don't really matter.

They matter as much or more than the choices made in the Mass Effect games.

Sure, you get the same ending, but the story on the way to that ending is different.


Not really. You can make choices that doom or save entire races or characters in ME. In Walking Dead most events play out the same regardless of your choices, and occasionally in ways that seem out of place for certain characters. The game does a good job making you think those choices matter, but they don't. It's like a choose your own adventure book where every choice goes to the same page regardless.

I think it's cool that a non-mainstream game in a niche genre won a mainstream award, but as an game it barely gives the player any kind of interaction.
 
2012-12-09 06:00:46 PM  
So what subby's headline tells me is the game sucks and only won because of political correctness. Thanks for the info.
 
2012-12-09 06:02:43 PM  
With the deaths of Cortana, Lee and Desmond that's a morbid selection of games. Death was in the air this year.
 
2012-12-09 06:10:04 PM  

thamike: Barricaded Gunman: thamike: But is it a good game?

Good question. Because after pre-ordering it, looking forward to it for months, and then playing 15 or so hours of Assassin's Creed 3, I can tell you that I won't be purchasing any more AC games either A) featuring Connor, or B) taking place during the colonial revolution. I can't imagine bothering to finish this mess. Deathly goddamn dull, all the way. Every other game in the series was superior to this overhyped grindfest.  How in the world does anyone think that spending hours hunting bears and rabbits so you can take their pelts to a trading post to trade for items you need is a good time? It's like the whole "eating and working out" idea from GTA: San Andreas... a bad idea, poorly realized. Do game developers learn nothing from each others' mistakes?

I was asking about the Walking Dead game, but it's good to know about AC3 before buying it, too, so thanks.


I never purposely hunted a single animal outside the tutorials and barely bought anything, so I didn't find anything grindy about it. And I liked Conner's story after it got rolling. But I agree, speaking as a big fan of the series otherwise, that overall AC3 was a big disappointment for other reasons.

Tree climbing and naval combat aside(which were both pretty neat) the gameplay felt like a step backwards, like it needed more fine tuning. And the missions and assassinations didn't feel as well planned out either.

/I still feel 2 was the high point
//brotherhood made improvements but didn't feel like as full of a game if that makes sense
 
2012-12-09 06:14:40 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: Not really. You can make choices that doom or save entire races or characters in ME. In Walking Dead most events play out the same regardless of your choices


And you make choices that doom characters in Walking Dead too. t3knomanser gives a great example. In one person's story, Lee kills Ben. In another person's story, Lee saves Ben, leading to a nice scene between Kenny and Ben. Can you see how these two things are different?
 
2012-12-09 06:20:24 PM  

jack21221: Lumbar Puncture: Not really. You can make choices that doom or save entire races or characters in ME. In Walking Dead most events play out the same regardless of your choices

And you make choices that doom characters in Walking Dead too. t3knomanser gives a great example. In one person's story, Lee kills Ben. In another person's story, Lee saves Ben, leading to a nice scene between Kenny and Ben. Can you see how these two things are different?


In one case you can save one of two characters, but no matter what one you choose by chapter three they both die in the exact same situation, despite the character killing them not really having any motivation to suspect them over anyone else. Can you see how a character driven game might be construed as failing to do that when it can easily switch characters around?

Great, I can get a nice scene that changes nothing, except maybe some characters will remember that event, unless it's inconvenient to the plot for them to remember that.

I saved a placeholder character that has all the character development of a placeholder character, yay!
 
2012-12-09 07:04:22 PM  
I did enjoy his character progression. He grew.
 
2012-12-09 07:20:55 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: Great, I can get a nice scene that changes nothing, except maybe some characters will remember that event, unless it's inconvenient to the plot for them to remember that.


It isn't about the characters remembering the event, you uncultured savage. It's the fact that I remember the event. It changes the story that I experience. It's also really bizarre that you call a character that is with you from episodes 2-5 a "placeholder character."

Just curious, have you ever read a book aside from ones you were forced to in high school? When you read a book, do you just read the first few pages and then the ending? You're acting as if the ending is the only thing that matters. I maintain that all of the stuff in between is the important stuff.
 
2012-12-09 07:26:37 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: How in the world does anyone think that spending hours hunting bears and rabbits so you can take their pelts to a trading post to trade for items you need is a good time?


i1282.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-09 07:27:05 PM  
Far Cry 3
 
2012-12-09 07:43:23 PM  

jack21221: Lumbar Puncture: Great, I can get a nice scene that changes nothing, except maybe some characters will remember that event, unless it's inconvenient to the plot for them to remember that.

It isn't about the characters remembering the event, you uncultured savage. It's the fact that I remember the event. It changes the story that I experience. It's also really bizarre that you call a character that is with you from episodes 2-5 a "placeholder character."

Just curious, have you ever read a book aside from ones you were forced to in high school? When you read a book, do you just read the first few pages and then the ending? You're acting as if the ending is the only thing that matters. I maintain that all of the stuff in between is the important stuff.


My opinion about a game is different than yours and you can't handle it to the point that you use insults instead of presenting a thought out counter argument, but I'm the 'uncultured savage'. LOL. I'm glad the game managed to connect on such an emotional level with you, it shows that the work of the developers did pay off.

Much like all the choices in the game, nothing I say will really make a difference to you, so why bother?

Speaking of reading comprehension, I was referring to the placeholder character from the example I used (which would be Doug or Carley), not Ben, who barely gets any type of character development as well through Chapters 2-5 and is pretty much the definition of a two dimensional character. If you think he's a well developed character, then I agree that we certainly have different levels of literary tastes.
 
2012-12-09 08:23:05 PM  

meathome: And yet, Dave Fennoy didn't get best male VO.

/great game, but I think he should have won the award... one of the best game VOs I've heard in a while.


Nope, the voice for Handsome Jack won. He was the villain you love to hate in Borderlands 2.
 
2012-12-09 08:26:08 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: jack21221: Lumbar Puncture: Great, I can get a nice scene that changes nothing, except maybe some characters will remember that event, unless it's inconvenient to the plot for them to remember that.

It isn't about the characters remembering the event, you uncultured savage. It's the fact that I remember the event. It changes the story that I experience. It's also really bizarre that you call a character that is with you from episodes 2-5 a "placeholder character."

Just curious, have you ever read a book aside from ones you were forced to in high school? When you read a book, do you just read the first few pages and then the ending? You're acting as if the ending is the only thing that matters. I maintain that all of the stuff in between is the important stuff.

My opinion about a game is different than yours and you can't handle it to the point that you use insults instead of presenting a thought out counter argument, but I'm the 'uncultured savage'. LOL. I'm glad the game managed to connect on such an emotional level with you, it shows that the work of the developers did pay off.

Much like all the choices in the game, nothing I say will really make a difference to you, so why bother?

Speaking of reading comprehension, I was referring to the placeholder character from the example I used (which would be Doug or Carley), not Ben, who barely gets any type of character development as well through Chapters 2-5 and is pretty much the definition of a two dimensional character. If you think he's a well developed character, then I agree that we certainly have different levels of literary tastes.


The overall standard for writing "round" characters for video games is so incredibly low that a character like Ben seems to be one of the greatest in history. Let's face it, very few video games rely on good writing or good plotting, relying instead on momentum or atmosphere.
 
2012-12-09 08:38:19 PM  

johnnyboog: Far Cry 3


Nominations ended a month before that game even came out.

whizbangthedirtfarmer: The overall standard for writing "round" characters for video games is so incredibly low that a character like Ben seems to be one of the greatest in history. Let's face it, very few video games rely on good writing or good plotting, relying instead on momentum or atmosphere


It's improving in different way, but yeah, it has a long way to go. I do appreciate that even though the choices were mostly an illusion, they were at least beyond the very obvious good/bad/neutral decisions of other games with dialog choices.
 
2012-12-09 09:04:00 PM  
It was a cold day here and I powered through chapters 3-5 this afternoon before seeing this article.

I really liked the Walking Dead, with some caveats. First of all, its less 'game' and more interactive story. Sure, you look around and point and click on things, but there isn't much actual game there. Even as an adventure game, its pretty simplistic.

That said,it was worth every penny of the $10 I paid for it on steam, and its one of the few games ever I actually cared about the characters. I set out trying to kill everyone, but ended up trying to save them.
 
2012-12-09 09:27:54 PM  
Journey looks cool and the soundtrack is excellent.

Is it anything?

/playstation exclusive, so I'll never know
 
2012-12-09 10:52:52 PM  
The game was based on the comic, and not on the TV show at all. If you like the game, try the book.
 
2012-12-09 11:06:17 PM  
I bought the season pass to TWD on the playstation network. Wife is playing one of the save slots and I have another. I try to play my episode out differently than hers, just to see the other possible outcomes. As far as AC, I have played every one up to this one. I have the first two but used gamefly to rent the third one, probably this one as well. True it doesn't seem to be following the storyline concept but I play just for the pleasure of getting to sneak up behind someone and take them out stealthily. Even better love to equip the poison dagger and just go along beside a walking detail of soldiers and get them one at a time, step back and watch them go buggars.

/that and the fact of doing the secret temple levels for the bonus armor and weapons is always fun.
 
2012-12-09 11:21:43 PM  
I do not understand AC games or the love for them at all. Tried them multiple times and just soooooo slooowwww to start. Never could get interested.
 
2012-12-09 11:27:24 PM  

jimmyjackfunk: I bought the season pass to TWD on the playstation network. Wife is playing one of the save slots and I have another. I try to play my episode out differently than hers, just to see the other possible outcomes. As far as AC, I have played every one up to this one. I have the first two but used gamefly to rent the third one, probably this one as well. True it doesn't seem to be following the storyline concept but I play just for the pleasure of getting to sneak up behind someone and take them out stealthily. Even better love to equip the poison dagger and just go along beside a walking detail of soldiers and get them one at a time, step back and watch them go buggars.

/that and the fact of doing the secret temple levels for the bonus armor and weapons is always fun.


I mostly play AC for the multiplayer. It used to be one of the more innovative deathmatch type game, but now it's getting stale. It's still fun but they really haven't added anything to make it significantly better and there are still weird issues with timing and such that Ubi doesn't seem interested in fixing.
 
2012-12-10 02:30:03 AM  
Is AC3 really that bad? I finally got around to finishing AC2 the other day...guess I won't bother.
 
2012-12-10 07:36:26 AM  
No pandas?
 
2012-12-10 07:53:03 AM  
Certain it's a great game. However, also certain it only won because Americans have a serious hard-on for anything zombie right now.
 
2012-12-10 08:23:51 AM  

Apik0r0s: This is my son's favorite game. But he doesn't play it, neither do his friends. They watch Yogscast videos of other people playing the game and are just happy as clams with that. I even offered to get it for him - "Wouldn't you rather play it than watching somebody else play?" Nope.

They do this with a lot of games, watch the Let's Play videos and not play the games.


My 12 year-old does the same thing. He'd watch YouTube videos of 20-something stoners playing BF3 for hours if I let him.
 
2012-12-10 09:11:02 AM  

Gunderson: LesserEvil: Why does it matter what the race of the protagonist is? Haven't we gone beyond that point, where it matters at all, for most gamers?

[img.photobucket.com image 500x374]

Nope. Not yet


He was the first to be able to swim, though
 
2012-12-10 09:11:48 AM  
Dishonored is a seriously underrated game and Far Cry 3 is goddamned outstanding.
 
2012-12-10 09:17:49 AM  

Imperious Rex!: Is AC3 really that bad? I finally got around to finishing AC2 the other day...guess I won't bother.


No, it's not that bad, it's just kind of played out at this point. They revamped the engine so that they can include weather and more enemies, which is cool when you get to some of the big battle scenes.
 
2012-12-10 09:49:22 AM  

Imperious Rex!: Is AC3 really that bad? I finally got around to finishing AC2 the other day...guess I won't bother.


No, no it is not. Fans don't like it because the game play (plot and main character) are becoming different from what they were originally. It is still a beautiful and fun game. They really need to work on story and how it integrates with gameplay more. Anyone who says it is absolute crap is pretty jaded at this point.

Egoy3k: Dishonored is a seriously underrated game and Far Cry 3 is goddamned outstanding.


Picked up dishonored and can't wait to play it. Saw the commercial for Far Cry 3 and debating whether I should get it now, or later next year when I buy a desktop.
 
2012-12-10 10:38:42 AM  
Thanks for the response. I still have to work through Brotherhood and Revelations (I am a completionist that way), but I'll probably pick this up sometime next year.
 
2012-12-10 11:13:17 AM  

hubiestubert: In fairness, the Walking Dead game had better characters and plot than the TV series too...


It's a salt lick, but don't lick it.

Did you lick it Clem?

I don't know.
 
2012-12-10 11:19:21 AM  

The Gentleman Caller: Lee is a fully fleshed out character with a backstory and good emotional reasons for what he says and does. There's no WHOOOOO BABY YEAH YEAH!!! with him, only concern and love for others. That never happens in games.


Red Dead Redemption's Marston was a loving husband, so you couldn't bang the dozens of whores in the game.

Disappointing.
 
2012-12-10 12:23:36 PM  

Inigo: It's not so much a game as it is "EVERYTHING YOU DO IS WRONG: A Choose-Your-Own-Adventure Book"


Hah! Having just finished the last chapter yesterday evening, I found this comment spot on. Now, this is NOT a criticism of the game, just an observation. It's basically the Walking Dead equivalent of the Kobayashi Maru test. Sometimes that's what the setting calls for! I loved every soul-crushing minute.

whizbangthedirtfarmer: n my version of the game, I can tell you the story of Lee and Kenny. They became best friends soon after meeting, and had each others backs for months until his wife and kid died. Their friendship couldn't withstand something of that magnitude, and they had a falling out resulting in a fistfight. It took a while for this relationship to even begin to heal, and just as it appeared they had finally broken through and made peace, Kenny dies.

In somebody else's game, Lee and Kenny could be bitter rivals from beginning to end. Sure, the ending is the same, but they experienced a different story than I did.

Pretty much everything I've bolded remains the same across however you play the game.


I've found that this is not necessarily the case. The only real falling out I had with Kenny was over whether or not to let him kill Larry. He hated me for a few days after that but we were tight for the rest of the game.
 
2012-12-10 12:30:40 PM  

thecpt: Picked up dishonored and can't wait to play it. Saw the commercial for Far Cry 3 and debating whether I should get it now, or later next year when I buy a desktop.


As far as I'm concerned, Dishonored is the best first-person game since Bioshock. Spectacular...
 
2012-12-10 12:44:50 PM  

Prospero424: thecpt: Picked up dishonored and can't wait to play it. Saw the commercial for Far Cry 3 and debating whether I should get it now, or later next year when I buy a desktop.

As far as I'm concerned, Dishonored is the best first-person game since Bioshock. Spectacular...


Dishonored is fantastic. The art style is great but it's so similar to half life 2 that it's somewhat eerie. Yeah sure it's the same guy who directed the HL2 art but come on man learn some new tricks too.
 
2012-12-10 12:49:06 PM  

Egoy3k: The art style is great but it's so similar to half life 2 that it's somewhat eerie. Yeah sure it's the same guy who directed the HL2 art but come on man learn some new tricks too.


I had the same impression. But really, it was all about the barriers. If the barriers hadn't looked so similar, I may never have made the connection.
 
2012-12-10 01:05:52 PM  

Prospero424: Egoy3k: The art style is great but it's so similar to half life 2 that it's somewhat eerie. Yeah sure it's the same guy who directed the HL2 art but come on man learn some new tricks too.

I had the same impression. But really, it was all about the barriers. If the barriers hadn't looked so similar, I may never have made the connection.


Barriers and the walker things looked identical.

I agree about Dishonored though. I rented it expecting to play it myself. My wife wanted to try it after watching me play for 15 minutes...

Next thing I know she's beaten the game and I haven't been able to play it past the first assassination. Not many games compel my wife to play them start to finish. The Walking Dead(which she cried like a child at the end of) and Dishonored are the only 2 this year.
 
2012-12-10 01:46:04 PM  
Borderlands 2 - Pretty fun for a while, then it gets ridiculously easy. Progression gets pretty stagnant. Content does not change. Gets boring pretty quickly, but really fun until you hit 50 or close to it.
AC3 - Fun game, "tutorial" takes entirely too long. Almost as long as ME1 running around The Citadel. Glaring bugs. Overall very easy game, but fun to play. It feels pretty bloated and lot of extraneous features that could use polishing. The main character has no personality so it is hard to get attached to Connor and the story. With DLC, the game could thrive.
Torchlight 2 - Better than Torchlight 1, but gets old pretty quickly. Not enough progression.
Hitman
XCOM - Although Classic Hardcore is hard, the game is a lot of RNG annoyance or the polar opposite - really easy. Get Plasma weapons, laugh. Gets pretty old before the game ends.
Hitman: Absolution - Fun game to kill time with.
Farcry 3 - Not technically out yet, but really fun. Game gets really easy when you take over an area and gain ally patrols.
Dishonored - Typical FPS done pretty well. Not a lot of replay value, but engaging.
Halo 4 - It's Halo. Cinematics much? Good game, but seriously. How long can this money train last?

There really aren't any games that I would continue to invest in and want to play all the time or take off the shelf and play a couple years later. Games just aren't made that way anymore. They are fun but once you beat them or get close to beating them, they lose their magic.
 
2012-12-10 02:10:06 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: Borderlands 2 - Pretty fun for a while, then it gets ridiculously easy. Progression gets pretty stagnant. Content does not change. Gets boring pretty quickly, but really fun until you hit 50 or close to it.


While I agree about how easy it gets, I felt compelled to finish the story. Something I had almost no desire to do in the first. I think they're getting close to perfecting the formula. If they keep the trend they started with BL2(changing the game just enough to improve it) I think BL3 will be fantastic.

the money is in the banana stand: AC3 - Fun game, "tutorial" takes entirely too long. Almost as long as ME1 running around The Citadel. Glaring bugs. Overall very easy game, but fun to play. It feels pretty bloated and lot of extraneous features that could use polishing. The main character has no personality so it is hard to get attached to Connor and the story. With DLC, the game could thrive.


Beat it over the course of a rental and wondered what the big deal was. It's better, in my opinion, than AC1 and 2(plus it's "expansions") but I still don't get the undying love everyone seems to have for this series. 1 and 2 were an exercise in monotony and forcing you to think overly difficult travel was enjoyable(seriously the cities in the first 2 were not fun to navigate.. at all. Needless climbing for the sake of making things take longer). I thought the way the cities were laid out in AC3 made them more enjoyable to travel around, and the forest sections were a blast to me. But the story fell flat, Connor was not compelling to me in anyway shape or form, and the ending was a big "wtf? that's it?" kind of moment. AC2's story was best, but AC3 got the gameplay right for a change.

the money is in the banana stand: XCOM - Although Classic Hardcore is hard, the game is a lot of RNG annoyance or the polar opposite - really easy. Get Plasma weapons, laugh. Gets pretty old before the game ends.


Favorite game of 2012 thus far. I disagree about the RNG annoyances. Its basically a tactical RPG, which are all based on stats and RNG's essentially(you do mean Random Number Generator right?). On normal or lower the game is excessively easy, but above normal it punishes you for even the most trivial mistakes. Include the fact that the game has an immense level of replay-ability and I think it's honestly the shocker of 2012. Rarely do you see a remake of such a hallowed franchise be met with so much adoration and love.

the money is in the banana stand: Hitman: Absolution - Fun game to kill time with.


Hitman 2 is still my favorite, but this one was better than I anticipated. I thought a lot of the hate it got on the reviews was unjustified. Things they held against Hitman they used as positives for AC3/Dishonored/Splinter Cell. Just seemed like bias towards the franchise. It's not the series best though by any means. Still a blast.

the money is in the banana stand: Farcry 3 - Not technically out yet, but really fun. Game gets really easy when you take over an area and gain ally patrols


I want it.. Like REALLY WANT IT. I've heard nothing but "omg this game is incredible" talk.

the money is in the banana stand: Dishonored - Typical FPS done pretty well. Not a lot of replay value, but engaging.


See above. I thought it was anything but typical though. It's only typical if you take a guns blazing approach. Try to be stealthy and it gives you a few unique toys and elevates itself beyond stereotypical shooter quite handily. Lots of room for improvement though.

the money is in the banana stand: Halo 4 - It's Halo. Cinematics much? Good game, but seriously. How long can this money train last?


If 343 can keep the quality up to par with Halo 4, introduce new story elements, and change the game to keep up with the times. I think it can last quite awhile. The story on Halo 4 was much better than I anticipated. The multiplayer changed just enough to not feel like a rehash(something BLOPS2 failed on HARD). And they left plenty of room to improve while still putting out a stellar product. I loved it. Nice to have a shooter that isn't "Modern military shooter #54283"
 
2012-12-10 02:32:14 PM  
You know what's disappointing? The best-selling game right now is JUST DANCE 4.

At least, as far as I've seen it is. Stores have been wiped out of JD4, but have tons of Black Ops 2 and AC3 sitting around.

Gaming is mainstream. It is not just a "geek" thing (and hasn't been for over 30 years). The mainstream gamers buy more games than the hardcore gamers. JD4 will be in most homes this Christmas, while AC3 and BO2 are already sold to the hardcore who wanted them.

Yes, TWD is an awesome game. But it wasn't sold at retail, so when sales figures come down after Xmas it will be JD4 in the lead. Just watch.
 
2012-12-10 02:40:42 PM  

ZeroCorpse: You know what's disappointing? The best-selling game right now is JUST DANCE 4.

At least, as far as I've seen it is. Stores have been wiped out of JD4, but have tons of Black Ops 2 and AC3 sitting around.

Gaming is mainstream. It is not just a "geek" thing (and hasn't been for over 30 years). The mainstream gamers buy more games than the hardcore gamers. JD4 will be in most homes this Christmas, while AC3 and BO2 are already sold to the hardcore who wanted them.

Yes, TWD is an awesome game. But it wasn't sold at retail, so when sales figures come down after Xmas it will be JD4 in the lead. Just watch.


Retail release of TWD comes out very soon. Curious if it will retain the $5 per episode price point.

It's crazy sad that something as pathetic as JD4 is selling gangbusters. The move to mainstream games like that will destroy the medium as an art. Companies are already abandoning the idea of original creations, and amazing experiences in favor of cheaply produced mobile games, and crap like JD4 that they rehash endlessly and people will still buy.

Thank god for indie games like Journey holding the torch for games are art. TWD was a fantastic example of emotional investment in a game. I just hesitate to classify it as a game in the same way I do Journey.
 
2012-12-10 04:16:06 PM  

Imperious Rex!: Is AC3 really that bad? I finally got around to finishing AC2 the other day...guess I won't bother.


You either like AC or you hate it. If you liked 2, you'll like 3. But play Brotherhood and Revelations first.
 
2012-12-10 04:29:38 PM  

ZeroCorpse: At least, as far as I've seen it is. Stores have been wiped out of JD4, but have tons of Black Ops 2 and AC3 sitting around.


That's a great measurement tool. NPD report for November came out recently, so at least in North America you can with certainty say that Just Dance 4 is not the best selling game at the moment. It's 4th. Though you could potentially make the same point by noting that all of the top ten NPD selling games are sequels.

Of course digital sales, such as Steam, aren't accounted for in the NPD. So we'll never know if JD4 sold more or less than TWD. Regardless, they're marketting to two completely different demographics.
 
2012-12-10 04:30:51 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: That's not a great measurement tool


FTFM.
 
2012-12-10 07:10:48 PM  

Theaetetus: You're a small downloadable game with an African-American anti-hero that's made by a team of just under 40 people.

I don't think you can really count this one as an indie game, Subs, since it's based on a tv show with a budget of several million.


In all fairness, cable television revenue is absolutely dwarfed by video game revenue. Assassin's Creed 1 and 2 each made hundreds of millions of dollars.....
 
2012-12-10 07:41:50 PM  
I just haven't been able to get into Dishonored. I don't know why.
 
2012-12-10 08:39:09 PM  

t3knomanser: I just haven't been able to get into Dishonored. I don't know why.


The gameplay is unique, if a bit flawed. I had problems starting it, and then I realized it was because the storyline was godawful. I saw the "twist" coming after the second chapter.
 
2012-12-11 10:34:29 AM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: t3knomanser: I just haven't been able to get into Dishonored. I don't know why.

The gameplay is unique, if a bit flawed. I had problems starting it, and then I realized it was because the storyline was godawful. I saw the "twist" coming after the second chapter.


Yea the plot isn't going to win any awards. The game is all about atmosphere, which it's oozing with.
 
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