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(CBS Houston)   Off-duty cop in "fear for his life" fires weapon at suspected Walmart shoplifters speeding away, killing one but luckily missing the two small children in the car. Tag is for not knowing Walmart's new policy regarding shoplifters   (houston.cbslocal.com) divider line 86
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2012-12-09 10:42:23 AM
5 votes:

BravadoGT: Reading this from Lubbock Online-It sounds like a good shooting:

HOUSTON

Authorities are investigating the fatal shooting of a suspected shoplifter by a sheriff's deputy during a confrontation outside a Houston-area Wal-Mart store.

Officials say Harris County sheriff's Deputy Louis Campbell confronted several female suspects suspected of stealing from the store Thursday evening.

Sheriff's spokesman Thomas Gilliland says Campbell chased one of the suspects after she hit him. The woman then entered a car. Gilliland says that when Campbell opened the car's door, the vehicle accelerated. The deputy was standing between the car door and driver's seat and, fearing for his life, fired his weapon.


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What a person standing between a car door and driver's seat may look like.

I don't think he's in danger unless the car is going backwards.
2012-12-09 01:46:31 PM
4 votes:

accelerus: Runs over a cop trying to escape after stealing.


No, she didn't. Please find ANY article that claims she did anything other than try to escape, or that she intentionally hit the cop.

accelerus: Yes, I'm going to go ahead and say that nothing of value was lost in this person being killed.


Except a human life. Are you in favor of the death penalty for all those who habitually commit petty theft? Do you feel this person's life was truly unredeemable, and that her own children deserve to live without a mother?

accelerus: Call me whatever you like


Okay, you're a callous person with little regard for human life that makes rather disingenuous (rather than factual) statements about the events in question in order to justify his position.
2012-12-09 10:38:21 AM
4 votes:

Godscrack: Via Infinito: thamike: I think you may have left something out, subby.

Yeah, maybe the part about the cop getting dragged as the car sped away.

The cop should have thought of the consequences before holding on, trying to be another Christmas hero.


Gotta question any idiot that attempts to hold a car.
2012-12-09 08:25:38 AM
4 votes:

CreamFilling: ox45tallboy: Wal-Mart could very well face some liability in a wrongful death suit, especially if it is proven he fired into a vehicle moving away from him.

The vehicle wasn't moving away from him. It was dragging him along with it.


Until he let go of the handle.
2012-12-09 06:20:43 AM
4 votes:

AbbeySomeone: Perhaps if he hadn't attempted to force his way into the vehicle this may not have happened.


Most cops I know are already pretty damned tired when they get to these off-duty gigs, having already put in an eight-hour shift hunting down miscreants. Most of the time, they don't want to work, and will happily just call in some on-duty guys to handle an arrest.

I don't want to go too far into conjecture, but if a woman smacks a cop with her purse, regardless of if she had a good reason, the cop is probably not going to be happy about it, and might decide to chase after her. He's probably not going to let her drive (or get into a car and ride) away without teaching her that smacking a cop with your purse is unacceptable behavior in civilized society. Some cops, depending on the circumstances, might feel that a brief verbal exposition might be sufficient; others might feel that there should be some kind of physical reinforcement to the lesson. Virtually none, however, will let it slide, as this is seen as an affront not merely to the individual cop, but to the badge.

I don't know of any police procedure which allows for effecting arrest under these circumstances for simple petty theft when the cop is on foot with no backup and the suspects are attempting to flee by car. The cop is placing himself in danger in these circumstances, and cops are trained to look out for their own safety before the safety of others. He has a radio. Call in the license plate and have the on-duty guys bring the suspects back for your lecture/tazing/beatdown. Shooting at a fleeing car might look great in an action movie, but it makes you look like a total dick unconcerned with public safety when it happens in real life.
2012-12-09 11:25:01 AM
3 votes:
Letting cops act as mercenaries in the private sector is a recipe for disaster, for so many reasons.
2012-12-09 11:11:50 AM
3 votes:

filter: In the civilized world, this is considered murder.

A human life for a property crime? Maybe in Saudi Arabia.


No, the property crime was going to be handled with the cop saying "Open your bag. Do you have a receipt for that? You're under arrest." The shoplifters upped the ante by striking the officer and fleeing. Then, after a foot persuit ending at the suspects' vehicle, they try to flee with the door open and the car apparently in some type of contact with the officer.

Had the cop walked up to her, pulled out his gun and summarily executed her...then yes, I'd consider that murder. Unfortunately for the dead woman, this situation escalated four times by my count (when she struck the officer, when she fled, when she got in her car and refused orders to stop, and when she started moving with the officer attatched). It is no longer a simple property crime. The blame lies with the women, and the fact that they were willing to fight so hard and put their own lives in jeopardy over a fine or a month in county.
2012-12-09 11:00:11 AM
3 votes:
Step 1 - Place yourself in danger
Step 2 - Claim you feared for your life
Step 3 - Shoot a minority in the face and live the dream of every cop an 2Aer.
2012-12-09 10:43:25 AM
3 votes:
TFA does not actually say that the person killed was one of the shoplifters, could have been the getaway driver, or just someone that was not involved and was taking care of the kids in the car. Probably still legal in Texas though.
2012-12-09 10:40:00 AM
3 votes:

BravadoGT: One more thing--she was already on probation for shoplifting...from Walmart! As part of her probation, she wasn't even allowed to be in a Walmart...

Here's a pic of the delicate little flower...

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So clearly, she deserves death. Right.
2012-12-09 10:38:20 AM
3 votes:

BravadoGT: It sounds like a good shooting:

The deputy was standing between the car door and driver's seat and, fearing for his life, fired his weapon.



No. He is only claiming a "fear for his life" because the shooting is not justified under these circumstances.
2012-12-09 10:35:23 AM
3 votes:

CreamFilling: ox45tallboy: Wal-Mart could very well face some liability in a wrongful death suit, especially if it is proven he fired into a vehicle moving away from him.

The vehicle wasn't moving away from him. It was dragging him along with it.


Normal people don't put lives on the line over some slave-made Walmart crap.
2012-12-09 05:57:04 AM
3 votes:

DON.MAC: CreamFilling: ox45tallboy: Wal-Mart could very well face some liability in a wrongful death suit, especially if it is proven he fired into a vehicle moving away from him.

The vehicle wasn't moving away from him. It was dragging him along with it.

That depends on which story you read.


Perhaps if he hadn't attempted to force his way into the vehicle this may not have happened.
2012-12-09 05:53:09 AM
3 votes:

ox45tallboy: Wal-Mart could very well face some liability in a wrongful death suit, especially if it is proven he fired into a vehicle moving away from him.


The vehicle wasn't moving away from him. It was dragging him along with it.
2012-12-09 03:15:03 AM
3 votes:

fusillade762: But yeah, he doesn't have to obey WM policy, apparently.


Well, cops are their own law anyway.

But what about the security guard that put the shoplifter in Atlanta in a headlock two weeks ago, and somehow the shoplifter wound up dead by the time the cops showed up? He worked for a private security company, not directly for Wal-Mart, but wasn't he still expected to follow Wal-Mart policies regarding shoplifters, and, you know, not kill them?

Extra jobs that cops take on are invariably on a "contract" basis, rather than as an actual employee of the business or event; however, were the cop to take a second job as a contracted truck driver, wouldn't he be expected to follow the company policy as well? (e.g., things like no offensive bumper stickers when hauling trailers with the company logo, no passengers when hauling company-owned freight, mandatory stops every four hours even when not legally required, etc.) How about as a contracted accountant during tax season? What if he were to receive a contract from the city to provide lawn maintenance, could the city require that he wear an orange vest while mowing, even though he is not legally required to do so?

The point is that cop or no, Wal-Mart can dictate policy he is required to follow. Also, since he was being paid by Wal-Mart to be there, Wal-Mart could very well face some liability in a wrongful death suit, especially if it is proven he fired into a vehicle moving away from him.
2012-12-09 09:59:46 PM
2 votes:

TheWhoppah: You are 100% retarded if you think it is the security guard's responsibility to know what is and what is not covered by some corporate insurance policy.


Wait... you really think level III and Level IV security officers in the State of Texas get to use lethal force in response to simple theft?

Who is retarded?

You are right on one thing... the question of economic recovery wouldn't even come up if a Level III or Level IV security officer used lethal force to stop a shoplifter... Probably because nothing at all would come up because not even a public defender would take a case that hopeless.

TheWhoppah: The homeowners bullshiat is a red herring.


You mind telling us again exactly what your qualifications to speak authoritatively about the use of lethal force in Texas?

TheWhoppah: In Texas, evidence that a person is (or is not) insured is not admissible upon the issue whether the person acted negligently or otherwise wrongfully. It doesn't matter how you feel about it, that is the law. Otherwise lawyers would be like: "just give my guy a $100,000 settlement, the other guy is covered by insurance anyway so it is no skin off his nose." This is flat-out forbidden to such a degree that mere mention of insurance is sufficient grounds for a mistrial (if the judge finds it causes undue predudice.) At the very least it will always draw an objection and a stern warning from the judge.


That's funny, especially since I was recently involved in a lawsuit regarding of all people Wal-mart, negligence and a security officer. I guess we all imagined the legal team from Wal-Marts insurance company...

However, you do seem to be missing the primary requirement of the law here...

"the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means"

So... what you claim, despite the fact I've seen it actually play out in real cases, is that even though the law specifically requires consideration of all other mean of recovery, that for some reason the courts would not even consider listening to the possibility of another means of recovery... and not only that, would throw out a case because of it?

Uh... yeah.

FYI: You will want to try a bit harder with the Google next time. You introduced the wrong thing. Texas rules of evidence prohibit the admission of evidence of Liability Insurance. We aren't talking about Liability Insurance. So, swing and a miss for you, and evidence for us that your argument is born out of Google, not knowledge.

Also, your post: "evidence that a person is (or is not) insured is not admissible upon the issue whether the person acted negligently or otherwise wrongfully."

Texas rules of evidence: "Evidence that a person was or was not insured against liability is not admissible upon the issue whether the person acted negligently or otherwise wrongfully.

Word for word copy/past but you dropped liability hoping we didn't know what we were about. Shame on you.

So, unless you happen to pull out some pretty impressive credentials, and an actual supportable legal postion, I'll continue to take the advice of the friendly local ADA, the TX DPS, my prior professional training and the experience I have in court rooms.
2012-12-09 04:44:27 PM
2 votes:

BronyMedic: Amos Quito: But the most important question in this matter has yet to be answered:

Is the cop WHITE?

Justice for Freyvon!

Goddamnit Amos.

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Don't turn this into a race-bait thread.



No worries, not going to happen.

As I said above, colors match, no social outrage.

People that will NOT be making media appearances or commenting WRT this incident:

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ll-media.tmz.com

www.ijreview.com 

i.ytimg.com


"No daughter of mine would be caught DEAD at a WalMart".
2012-12-09 11:48:27 AM
2 votes:
Two things I will add:

1 ) At this point in our society - I place much less importance on the value of items stolen, and more so the principle of the matter. If she'd have gotten away then what? a few dollars worth of profit off the retailers books? No big deal in the grand scheme of things really. And you can argue easily that a life is worth more than a few dollars. The problem is we have so many people these days that don't want to obey the law, they feel they have a right (based on skin color or whatever else) that it's okay to steal. Multiply this issue by millions of times all over the country and you are looking at a lot of lost value due to people that are little more than sand in the gears of society. Should society just "accept" these crimes and pay higher prices in the end so people like this can get away with it?

2) Anyone else find it a bit funny and or "par for the course" that the group of women who did this got away, they found the car, and the dead woman inside. Says a lot for the classiness and mutual respect in their group if after stealing from walmart, you just ditch your dead or dying friend and run away without trying to help or call police or ambulance people. Just another tidbit that gives you an idea of how good/honest/worthy people like this are.

At the end of the day -- some ghetto piece of trash assaulted an officer with both her purse and her car while committing a crime. Every low brow piece of crap is going to try to defend her actions and say how she was really just a super nice person.

It really is shocking how easy you can get through life when you live within your means, pay your bills, and DON'T commit a string of repeat thefts.
2012-12-09 11:11:41 AM
2 votes:

hbk72777: Where does it say the thieves were black?


A picture of the victim is already in the thread.
2012-12-09 11:05:21 AM
2 votes:
Lots of trolling here. Don't hit, and drag a police officer. Bad things will happen. Did they not know this? One less thug.
2012-12-09 10:34:54 AM
2 votes:
One more thing--she was already on probation for shoplifting...from Walmart! As part of her probation, she wasn't even allowed to be in a Walmart...

Here's a pic of the delicate little flower...

www.digitaljournal.com
2012-12-09 10:30:14 AM
2 votes:
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2012-12-09 08:23:24 AM
2 votes:

ox45tallboy:

Trust me, stay away from these kinds of women,


Some lessons must be learned the hard way... so I'm ignoring your advice.
2012-12-09 03:04:09 AM
2 votes:

Bathia_Mapes: I'm pretty sure Walmart's shoplifter procedures apply to their employees only, not an off duty cop who happened to be there .


He didn't just "happen to be there", he was paid by Wal-Mart to stand around in uniform as a deterrent, and do any police-type stuff if the need arose, or at least call for the on-duty guys. Ever seen cops at a concert or sporting event? They're "off-duty", being paid by the venue or promoter to be there.

Here's another article that goes into more depth about why the officer was there:

Harris County deputy Louis Campbell, who was working an approved extra job that evening as Walmart security, was alerted immediately when the suspects made their way to checkout.
2012-12-09 02:39:39 AM
2 votes:
I'm pretty sure Walmart's shoplifter procedures apply to their employees only, not an off duty cop who happened to be there .
2012-12-10 09:57:46 AM
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: BronyMedic: Marcus Aurelius: The story says he was at the driver's door, not in front of the car.

Except that spending two seconds on google would lead you to more articles which indicate that is not the case, and she actually apparently did drag the deputy.

Marcus Aurelius: A cop is just a thug with a badge and a gun and a license to kill.

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Here is a good story on typical cop behavior.

Or how about the time the police burned down an entire city block in Philadelphia?

I won't bother to post the endless stories of cops shooting hundreds of rounds into an unarmed "suspect"'s car.

I could go on ALL DAY.


In 2006 there were 683,396 full time state, city, university and college, metropolitan and non-metropolitan county, and other law enforcement officers in the United States, with another 200,000 federal officers for a total of approx. 800,000 full time LEOs.

The situations you cite are horrific and officers abusing their power should be (but aren't always) prosecuted and permanently removed from their positions. That hardly means that this is "typical" behavior.

There are unquestionably far too many incidents each year where excessive force is used, etc. but statistics clearly demonstrate it's delusional to think that the perpetrators represent more than the tiniest fraction of law enforcement.

Don't misunderstand me, it's critical to continue to point out this type of injustice. Even one bad cop is too many, and if there's no public outcry it will only get worse. For example there's been a consistent improvement in the area of unjustified attacks on minorities, but only after years of public outcry.

There can't be too much accountability when it comes to badgeholders, and things like dash cams and judicial rulings favoring third-party recording of police actions are just one step in the right direction. They are literally given the power of taking a life, and should be held to the highest standard that power requires.

There are corrupt, lazy, thuggish, overzealous, and plain bad cops. Just don't fall into the trap of thinking that the less than 1% of bad eggs means this is default LEO behavior or that it's somehow taught or otherwise institutionalized.
2012-12-10 02:28:25 AM
1 votes:

cegorach: Since when does 'hanging on to a car door you opened and not letting go'

translate to

'SOMEONE IS TRYING TO DIRECTLY KILL ME'.

I feel we need some kind of infographic here.


WTF? Do you really think that a car is not a lethal weapon here? Do you not know what a Toyota Tripwire is?

You do realize that if he was hung or caught on the door, and the woman turned, that he could be dragged under the car and ran over, correct? Or the fact that running over someone in reverse, as some articles have claimed, can kill someone with an open car door. Toyota Tripwires kill people, you know.

It doesn't matter what country you're in. If you drag a cop, you're going to get shot. A five minute google search would tell you all you need to know about it.

The sad thing here is that the person who made the cop allegedly fear for his life is not the one that's dead. It's an accomplice who's only crime was petty larceny.
2012-12-10 02:09:59 AM
1 votes:
*reads articles*

So let's see, first a uniformed off-duty deputy who works security at Wal-mart is notified of shoplifters fleeing the scene. Confronts them. Is assaulted by her loaded handbag. (Assault on a police officer). Witnesses attest to seeing him demand they stop. (Resisting arrest.) Prevents criminal from fleeing the scene by getting between the door and car and again, demands she gets out of the vehicle. (Resisting arrest again.) Criminals speed away with the officer in tow, hanging on for dear life into oncoming traffic. (Fleeing the scene, resisting arrest, again.) And to save his life he shoots to get said criminals to stop.

And all you hoopleheads can see is BLACK BLACK BLACK BLACK.

Congratulations! You're retarded!

Submitted headline is pretty much a troll that leaves just about everything out of the actual story.
2012-12-10 12:48:42 AM
1 votes:

ox45tallboy: TiiiMMMaHHH: But she's black, he's presumably white, and its texas, so he's INNOCENT.

Know how I know you didn't bother reading the thread?


Does it still count as idiotic race baiting when both people are the same race?
2012-12-10 12:42:13 AM
1 votes:

TiiiMMMaHHH: But she's black, he's presumably white, and its texas, so he's INNOCENT.


Know how I know you didn't bother reading the thread?
2012-12-09 06:48:49 PM
1 votes:

TheWhoppah: Tthe fact that some third party could maybe possibibly ultimately repay the cost of the item does not amount to "recovery" in the sense you imagine.


There is no "imagine" to it. This is what I've seen play out in court, and what an ADA I have as a guest speaker in my classes talks about.


TheWhoppah: You could imagine a scenario where the Loss Prevention officer recognizes her on the video and they send her a bill for the solen items and she pays for it herself. You could imagine that the big green Thief Fairy Goodmother floats down from the sky and returns the property. None of that means jack shiat.


No, for Wal-Mart it's an insurance company that floats down and gives them big checks to cover theft loss. There's a reason why Wal-Mart has a very aggressive hands off loss prevention policy. They lose almost nothing in monetary value when product goes out the door via theft.

TheWhoppah: The only relevant question is "does the killer reasonably believe deadly force is required to retrieve the stolen property." That is all.


Did you actually read the law you linked and I quoted, because there are clearly more considerations that have to be made.


TheWhoppah: They tell you all that crap in the conceal carry class to scare you into being "responsible."


No, I teach that stuff in class because if I approve you to have a license to carry a firearm but don't properly teach you the law, I could be held liable for your actions in a civil trial after you unjustly use lethal force.
2012-12-09 06:35:34 PM
1 votes:

TheWhoppah: It doesnt matter if he was not in any danger; the shooting was legally justified to recover stolen property. That is Texas law.


There are two conditions, one of which must be reasonably be beleived by the actor:

1) That the property isn't recoverable by other means
2) The actor would be in danger of their lives.

So, since the property is legally considered to be recoverable since it was insured against theft, the actor would have to believe that he would be in danger. So yes, it does matter.

Using lethal force to recover stolen property is a lot more limited under Texas law that most people who simply read it assume.
2012-12-09 04:22:44 PM
1 votes:

Mr. Carpenter: THE WOMAN THAT WAS SHOT AND KILLED WAS NOT THE SAME WOMAN THAT ASSAULTED THE COP, NOR WAS SHE THE DRIVER OF THE CAR. THE WOMAN THAT WAS SHOT AND KILLED WAS A PASSENGER.


the word you are looking for is accomplice
2012-12-09 01:43:03 PM
1 votes:
The correct thing for the off-duty cop to do was let her go. He escalated the situation, and now a human being is dead, over some crap stolen from Wally World.

The reason he felt free to do this is because he knows cops in the USA are rarely prosecuted or even fired for causing deaths of human beings, no matter how culpable or stupid their actions. They can't even be sued, that burden falls on the very taxpayers they abuse.

Was she an upstanding member of society? Certainly not.
Was her taste in makeup awful? Clearly.
Did she deserve to die? Your answer reflects your own level of civilization. Perhaps you'd be happier in the Middle East?

All you ITGs are only comfortable justifying her death because deep down you know this shiat doesn't often happen to middle class white people like you.
2012-12-09 01:29:47 PM
1 votes:

BravadoGT: Reading this from Lubbock Online-It sounds like a good shooting:


See, I LOVE the expression "good shooting". If the shooting can be rationalized away so that somehow the officer was "in fear", then taking a person's life was "good".

What is "good" about this? Sure, the person was a lowlife, and if you look at other articles, she had been caught shoplifting at another Wal-Mart a few weeks before and had promised to never again enter any Wal-Mart property. But was her life really unredeemable? Did she deserve to die? Did she really have any intention whatsoever on killing the officer in order to get away with her shoplifted items?

Then what makes this "good"? We've talked a lot about George Zimmerman and whether he had a right to shoot Trayvon Martin; his justification was that he was "in fear for his life". Did that make his shooting "good"? Should we shoot anyone who could possibly cause us harm? Do I have the right to kill someone who just wants to start a bar fight with me?

In my opinion, shootings are never "good". Our police forces are trained to protect themselves, no matter what the cost, yet they demand virtual hero worship for "putting their lives on the line" every day so that we can be safe. If that's the case, then the main focus of their job, their number one priority, should be protecting other people, not themselves.

In the article, the cop has the door open and is between the door and the driver when the driver accelerated away. Some articles say the cop claims he was "dragged". What does this mean? Is he hanging by his uniform with his knees and the sides of his shoes scraping along the pavement for a few hundred yards, or did the side of the car bump him and put him off balance as the car sped away? Please note that in no article does the cop make the claim that anyone pointed a weapon at him.

In any event, there were two small children in the car. Shooting into the car while it is speeding away was reckless and endangered the lives of the innocent. The cop, no matter what justification he has for firing his weapon, at the VERY least endangered the lives of the children in order to protect his own, and in the worst, shot at a fleeing suspect, endangering the lives of children because he was upset the suspect did not comply with his commands.

"Good" shooting, my ass.
2012-12-09 01:01:02 PM
1 votes:

Apik0r0s: Cops are actually taught in training how to lie on police reports.


I always wondered what dash cams were for. Apparently it's to make it easier for cops to lie on their reports, which isn't only systemic, it's rewarded.
2012-12-09 12:49:34 PM
1 votes:

DaCaptain19: Big_Fat_Liar: willfullyobscure: 100 percent justified as the black lady was literally trying to kill him. hero cop.

Where in the article does it say the lady was black? Oh, never mind, I just remembered that the article said she was stealing....

It says everywhere the women were black. Who else goes into these stores, in an organized group, and blatantly stuffs their empty, over-sized purses with merchandise? I don't want to over-generalize, but this is a black crime, 100% of the time.


http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/8144595-celebrity-shoplifte r s-top-ten-list

To all the one talking like black people are the only one who shoplift.... that link states otherwise!! Britney Spears, Lindsay and Winona Ryder just to name a few!!!
2012-12-09 12:15:52 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: Madbassist1: LOL wow. grow a skin, you wuss.

Wait.

Wait, wait wait.

I just realized how pathetic this is, dude.

You're mad at me because you childishly broke the FArQ, and then got a time-out for it?

That's sad. I get them all the time, and I never call someone out for it. In violation of the FArQ. Wow.

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I've been on this site, daily, for 6 years and have yet to get a timeout. You get them all the time and you're calling someone else a loser?
2012-12-09 12:12:27 PM
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: Here is a good story on typical cop behavior.

Or how about the time the police burned down an entire city block in Philadelphia?

I won't bother to post the endless stories of cops shooting hundreds of rounds into an unarmed "suspect"'s car.

I could go on ALL DAY.




A good friend of mine was killed by the police because he was crossing 126th street in Harlem--with the light--when a speeding cop car with no lights on knocked him right out of his shoes on a "black teens possibly smoking marijuana" call.

I don't use that as a metric to judge all cops by, and neither would he.
2012-12-09 12:12:09 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: Theaetetus: Thus, whether or not he was "dragged", he was decidedly not "in front of the car".

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Being dragged by a car door can't hurt you, right?



How exactly does one become attached to the car?

Seems you could simply let go.
2012-12-09 12:11:57 PM
1 votes:

fusillade762: But yeah, he doesn't have to obey WM policy, apparently.


When a company hires an officer, they are legally responsible for their actions... badge or not.

I'm sure Walmart didn't really want him to fire his weapon. Half that store now how a claim for PTSD and inability to work. No way the shoplifter got away with more merchandise than it will cost to settle some claims or deal with them in court.

Stores have these policies for a reason... it's cheaper to take some loss than to deal with the legal ramifications of employees doing something, especially given most employees are dumb as a sack of bricks.

Lets be realistic... odds are the goods stolen were
Not worth it. That's why those policies exist.

If it made fiscal sense, all employees would be armed and ordered to shoot to kill. The sole reason they don't do that is it would be a money loosing venture.
2012-12-09 12:09:10 PM
1 votes:

Big_Doofus: Apik0r0s: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: FTA: Instead of stopping the car, the woman put it in drive, revving forward and dragging the deputy. It was then that the deputy fired his weapon as the vehicle sped away

Apparently, subby thinks that a thief attempting to escape in a vehicle dragging subby along as said thief does so is not a threat to his life

Did this car have suicide doors? How does it move forward and drag a person in the door area?

She was in reverse. That's how you normally get out of parking spots. One of the articles mentioned this little tidbit of information.



Then why do you quote an article that says "revving forward"?

Or is this part of the article a mistake and you just know that because you can tell which are real facts and which ones are mistakes?
2012-12-09 11:54:56 AM
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: The story says he was at the driver's door, not in front of the car.


Except that spending two seconds on google would lead you to more articles which indicate that is not the case, and she actually apparently did drag the deputy.

Marcus Aurelius: A cop is just a thug with a badge and a gun and a license to kill.


i306.photobucket.com
2012-12-09 11:47:43 AM
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: The police should always shoot shoplifters that are escaping, because the merchandise is far more important than human lifePeople who are trying to run them the fark over..


Fixed that for you. Honest mistake, I'm sure. I bet you didn't RTFA, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
2012-12-09 11:44:11 AM
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Madbassist1: How come cops are the only people who get drug along with cars? I almost never hear of it happening to others.


Because, by and large, they are aggressive, angry drunks and wife beaters who feel that they are at odds with all of society and insta-rage on anything that gives them the smallest possible reason to. Nothing like a roid-rager to escalate an otherwise minor situation. One of the keys they look for in cop psych evals is Social Dissonance - an indication the the candidate feels all of society is sick and wrong, he being the only beacon of hope, light and goodness in a universe of impenetrable blackness. They want those people, they are chomping at the bit to bully the populace and likely not to break the blue wall of silence.

/used to fark a cop's wife while he was out intimidating blacks
//he beat her up three times I know of and crickets from local, county and state
///she lives with relatives now, off the grid out of fear
2012-12-09 11:40:05 AM
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Cubicle Jockey: Mr. Carpenter: Off duty cop, he's a mall cop now

He was apparently in his service uniform however.

How does that work? You are an official police officer paid by Walmart directly?


He's not a mall cop, he's a police officer. On regular duty, on overtime, on special duty at WalMart, or asleep in his bed, he's a police officer.

As for pay, I'm unfamiliar with this particular Texas county and their pay proceedures. In my city, it works this way: A local club wants a cop as security for the night, so they call the police department. The PD quotes them an hourly rate (I'd assume 1.5 x top step pay + pension costs), and then the PD assigns the overtime based on internal proceedures. The officer is paid in his regular paycheck from the city, and the city is paid by the club.
2012-12-09 11:38:59 AM
1 votes:

Apik0r0s: Public money used to train a stormtrooper for Wal-Mart


Whoa, he actually hit and killed someone. Obviously not a Stormtrooper.
2012-12-09 11:30:49 AM
1 votes:
This could have all been avoided if these three women didn't try to steal anything. This wasn't some law breaking that you can do accidentally, it took intent, and then they even ignored the cops that tried to stop them. There many points in this situation where they could have stopped their actions and one of them would still be alive.

Obviously they aren't keen to holding to the social contract. Their removal from society will not be detrimental to anyone.
2012-12-09 11:30:36 AM
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Wulfman: Fact: all cops are in fear for their lives, which means that they feel that their actions are justified at all times.


And everyone they encounter is a liar, drunk, druggie and a criminal.
2012-12-09 11:22:52 AM
1 votes:
Newsflash: vehicular assault on a police officer is considered an attempt on an officer's life and gets people shot all the time.

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2012-12-09 11:21:00 AM
1 votes:

Mr. Carpenter: Off duty cop, he's a mall cop now


He was apparently in his service uniform however.

How does that work? You are an official police officer paid by Walmart directly?
2012-12-09 11:17:24 AM
1 votes:

Cubicle Jockey: Tazandra: And also the car was actually going in reverse, according to the police report,

There is a discrepancy with regards to this.

FTA: "Additional reports stated that the deputy then opened the door and commanded the driver to stop. Instead of stopping the car, the woman put it in drive, revving forward and dragging the deputy."


I think the discrepancy will be in the fact that he shot her after the danger from the car had passed. But this is Houston, he will probably get a promotion and be allowed to add a little Sambo kill sticker to his squad car.
2012-12-09 11:17:20 AM
1 votes:

BravadoGT: Theaetetus: BravadoGT: Theaetetus: BravadoGT: Reading this from Lubbock Online-It sounds like a good shooting:

HOUSTON

Authorities are investigating the fatal shooting of a suspected shoplifter by a sheriff's deputy during a confrontation outside a Houston-area Wal-Mart store.

Officials say Harris County sheriff's Deputy Louis Campbell confronted several female suspects suspected of stealing from the store Thursday evening.

Sheriff's spokesman Thomas Gilliland says Campbell chased one of the suspects after she hit him. The woman then entered a car. Gilliland says that when Campbell opened the car's door, the vehicle accelerated. The deputy was standing between the car door and driver's seat and, fearing for his life, fired his weapon.

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What a person standing between a car door and driver's seat may look like.

I don't think he's in danger unless the car is going backwards.

Right, because there's no way once the car starts moving and knocks him balance, he could fall under the rear wheels....

Gosh, you're right... I hadn't thought of that. Mind you, that could happen any time anyone is standing near a car, so therefore, we're justified in shooting the driver if we're within 5 feet while they're moving.

If you're a police officer in the lawful exercise of your duty and have given the individual a lawful order to stop, and that individual has refused and as a consequence-placed your life in danger. Then yes, you are justified.

I'm not giving you my opinion, I'm just telling you how the law reads (at least in my state, which I would bet is very similar to Texas in this respect).


Off duty cop, he's a mall cop now. Life is quite obviously NOT in danger, in fact shooting the driver may actually place your life in greater danger as now you have a wounded individual barreling away in a 2 ton steel machine.

Charge him with second degree murder and as many counts of reckless discharge of a firearm as there are people in the parking lot. So about 100 or so. Sounds good to me.
2012-12-09 11:14:33 AM
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lizyrd: filter: In the civilized world, this is considered murder.

A human life for a property crime? Maybe in Saudi Arabia.

No, the property crime was going to be handled with the cop saying "Open your bag. Do you have a receipt for that? You're under arrest." The shoplifters upped the ante by striking the officer and fleeing. Then, after a foot persuit ending at the suspects' vehicle, they try to flee with the door open and the car apparently in some type of contact with the officer.

Had the cop walked up to her, pulled out his gun and summarily executed her...then yes, I'd consider that murder. Unfortunately for the dead woman, this situation escalated four times by my count (when she struck the officer, when she fled, when she got in her car and refused orders to stop, and when she started moving with the officer attatched). It is no longer a simple property crime. The blame lies with the women, and the fact that they were willing to fight so hard and put their own lives in jeopardy over a fine or a month in county.


Well said! And that's why I'd never let you sit on one of my juries ;)
2012-12-09 11:10:05 AM
1 votes:

ButterMule: Kill cops because cops kill.


globalnerdy.com

You should take your own advice. Don't wait on others. Pick up the nearest gun and charge a police station. Be an Hero to us all.
2012-12-09 11:07:37 AM
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BravadoGT: Sheriff's spokesman Thomas Gilliland says Campbell chased one of the suspects after she hit him. The woman then entered a car. Gilliland says that when Campbell opened the car's door, the vehicle accelerated. The deputy was standing between the car door and driver's seat and, fearing for his life, fired his weapon.


Translated to English, this means that the cop had ALREADY drawn his pistol when he jerked the car door open and stepped between the open door and driver's seat to order the driver out of the car.

Note to black people: when The Man tells you to exit the car, he's gonna kill you and get away with murder if you don't comply.
2012-12-09 11:05:00 AM
1 votes:
Most importantly: he shot at her after she got away and was no longer a threat to his safety.
2012-12-09 11:04:49 AM
1 votes:
If that shoplifter had stolen a gun, she might be alive today.
2012-12-09 11:03:34 AM
1 votes:

umad: Go try it yourself. Have your buddy back out of a parking spot with his door open while you stand next to him. Then come back here and try again.


Backing out? Since when?

Additional reports stated that the deputy then opened the door and commanded the driver to stop. Instead of stopping the car, the woman put it in drive, revving forward and dragging the deputy. It was then that the deputy fired his weapon as the vehicle sped away.


So he didn't fire until she was driving away and apparently not within arm's reach.

If he got dragged by the car it was because he grabbed it and hung onto it. Unless you want to say his wedding ring or belt loop got hung up on something?
2012-12-09 10:59:35 AM
1 votes:
It's jus' po' folk dieing for stealing $2 worth of Walmart shiat. Nuttin' to see here.
2012-12-09 10:58:10 AM
1 votes:

BravadoGT: If you're a police officer in the lawful exercise of your duty and have given the individual a lawful order to stop, and that individual has refused and as a consequence-placed your life in danger. Then yes, you are justified.



I agree but I don't see where his life was threatened. Maybe if we go with "threat of grave bodily harm" rather than "death" we can find a common ground.

/still, why is the gun even out of the holster at this point? is that standard practice now to draw your weapon at the initiation of procedure or at the first sign of disobedience? seems a little cowardly
2012-12-09 10:54:28 AM
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BravadoGT: Right, because there's no way once the car starts moving and knocks him balance, he could fall under the rear wheels....


How would the vehicle make contact with the body? Did it go sideways or something? More likely he didn't let go of the door handle or he threw himself into the car trying to control the situation.
2012-12-09 10:54:17 AM
1 votes:

filter: In the civilized world, this is considered murder.

A human life for a property crime? Maybe in Saudi Arabia.


Uh, what? The guy didn't shoot her for driving away with property. TFA indicates he shot her because he was being dragged by the vehicle when he tried to stop her from driving off, after she slugged him. If you drag a cop, you're probably going to get shot by him.
2012-12-09 10:53:03 AM
1 votes:

BravadoGT: One more thing--she was already on probation for shoplifting...from Walmart! As part of her probation, she wasn't even allowed to be in a Walmart...

Here's a pic of the delicate little flower...

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So she got what she deserved?
2012-12-09 10:51:46 AM
1 votes:

BravadoGT: Theaetetus: BravadoGT: Reading this from Lubbock Online-It sounds like a good shooting:

HOUSTON

Authorities are investigating the fatal shooting of a suspected shoplifter by a sheriff's deputy during a confrontation outside a Houston-area Wal-Mart store.

Officials say Harris County sheriff's Deputy Louis Campbell confronted several female suspects suspected of stealing from the store Thursday evening.

Sheriff's spokesman Thomas Gilliland says Campbell chased one of the suspects after she hit him. The woman then entered a car. Gilliland says that when Campbell opened the car's door, the vehicle accelerated. The deputy was standing between the car door and driver's seat and, fearing for his life, fired his weapon.

[image.shutterstock.com image 300x470]
What a person standing between a car door and driver's seat may look like.

I don't think he's in danger unless the car is going backwards.

Right, because there's no way once the car starts moving and knocks him balance, he could fall under the rear wheels....


Think that one through CAREFULLY, and maybe you will understand why everyone is laughing at you. eEstapo cops indeed.
2012-12-09 10:51:28 AM
1 votes:
In the civilized world, this is considered murder.

A human life for a property crime? Maybe in Saudi Arabia.
2012-12-09 10:48:13 AM
1 votes:

BravadoGT: Theaetetus: BravadoGT: Reading this from Lubbock Online-It sounds like a good shooting:

HOUSTON

Authorities are investigating the fatal shooting of a suspected shoplifter by a sheriff's deputy during a confrontation outside a Houston-area Wal-Mart store.

Officials say Harris County sheriff's Deputy Louis Campbell confronted several female suspects suspected of stealing from the store Thursday evening.

Sheriff's spokesman Thomas Gilliland says Campbell chased one of the suspects after she hit him. The woman then entered a car. Gilliland says that when Campbell opened the car's door, the vehicle accelerated. The deputy was standing between the car door and driver's seat and, fearing for his life, fired his weapon.

[image.shutterstock.com image 300x470]
What a person standing between a car door and driver's seat may look like.

I don't think he's in danger unless the car is going backwards.

Right, because there's no way once the car starts moving and knocks him balance, he could fall under the rear wheels....


Gosh, you're right... I hadn't thought of that. Mind you, that could happen any time anyone is standing near a car, so therefore, we're justified in shooting the driver if we're within 5 feet while they're moving.
2012-12-09 10:45:28 AM
1 votes:

Theaetetus: BravadoGT: Reading this from Lubbock Online-It sounds like a good shooting:

HOUSTON

Authorities are investigating the fatal shooting of a suspected shoplifter by a sheriff's deputy during a confrontation outside a Houston-area Wal-Mart store.

Officials say Harris County sheriff's Deputy Louis Campbell confronted several female suspects suspected of stealing from the store Thursday evening.

Sheriff's spokesman Thomas Gilliland says Campbell chased one of the suspects after she hit him. The woman then entered a car. Gilliland says that when Campbell opened the car's door, the vehicle accelerated. The deputy was standing between the car door and driver's seat and, fearing for his life, fired his weapon.

[image.shutterstock.com image 300x470]
What a person standing between a car door and driver's seat may look like.

I don't think he's in danger unless the car is going backwards.


Right, because there's no way once the car starts moving and knocks him balance, he could fall under the rear wheels....
2012-12-09 10:45:23 AM
1 votes:

ox45tallboy: Shooting at a fleeing car might look great in an action movie, but it makes you look like a total dick unconcerned with public safety when it happens in real life.


FIFY
2012-12-09 10:42:11 AM
1 votes:

Rich Cream: By all means then, shoot her dead for petty larceny.


KellyKellyKelly: So clearly, she deserves death. Right.


The article seems to indicate she was shot because she tried to drive off and drug the guy with her, not because she stole something. Which if that's the case, IS legal grounds for using lethal force.
2012-12-09 10:39:26 AM
1 votes:

BravadoGT: One more thing--she was already on probation for shoplifting...from Walmart! As part of her probation, she wasn't even allowed to be in a Walmart...

Here's a pic of the delicate little flower...

[www.digitaljournal.com image 281x371]



By all means then, shoot her dead for petty larceny.
2012-12-09 10:38:29 AM
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StoPPeRmobile: Great, now we're going to have armed shoplifters. Thanks Obama.


Hey, the armless ones are just as bad, Sir.

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2012-12-09 10:38:17 AM
1 votes:
This happened in Texas. You are allowed to chase people down and kill them for minor property crimes there, you don't even have to be a cop, you can be a bystander. Probably perfectly legal to kill everyone including the kids in the fleeing vehicle too.
2012-12-09 10:34:13 AM
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Via Infinito: thamike: I think you may have left something out, subby.

Yeah, maybe the part about the cop getting dragged as the car sped away.


The cop should have thought of the consequences before holding on, trying to be another Christmas hero.
2012-12-09 10:33:51 AM
1 votes:
Misleading headline of the year.
2012-12-09 10:30:16 AM
1 votes:

Big_Fat_Liar: willfullyobscure: 100 percent justified as the black lady was literally trying to kill him. hero cop.

Where in the article does it say the lady was black? Oh, never mind, I just remembered that the article said she was stealing....


That can't be racist. I know you're white, Sir. And Racism is a crime. And we all know white people can't commit crimes!

/end sarcasm.
2012-12-09 10:27:21 AM
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AbbeySomeone: DON.MAC: CreamFilling: ox45tallboy: Wal-Mart could very well face some liability in a wrongful death suit, especially if it is proven he fired into a vehicle moving away from him.

The vehicle wasn't moving away from him. It was dragging him along with it.

That depends on which story you read.

Perhaps if he hadn't attempted to force his way into the vehicle this may not have happened.


Why shouldn't he? Shopkeepers privilege allows for the reasonable pursuit and detaining of a suspected thief. You blame the cop, why didn't she stop? If a cop opens your door, you comply, you feel you have been unjustly detained, you call a lawyer.
2012-12-09 10:23:39 AM
1 votes:
Hey man, nice shot.
2012-12-09 10:18:53 AM
1 votes:
Another one of the many reasons not to shop at Walmart
2012-12-09 10:11:23 AM
1 votes:

thamike: I think you may have left something out, subby.


Yeah, maybe the part about the cop getting dragged as the car sped away.
2012-12-09 08:41:31 AM
1 votes:
It is after all, Texas...

Pretty sure you can shoot someone for cutting in line there, especially if they are mentally handicapped.
2012-12-09 07:20:12 AM
1 votes:

ox45tallboy: I don't want to go too far into conjecture, but if a woman smacks a cop with her purse, regardless of if she had a good reason, the cop is probably not going to be happy about it, and might decide to chase after her. He's probably not going to let her drive (or get into a car and ride) away without teaching her that smacking a cop with your purse is unacceptable behavior in civilized society. Some cops, depending on the circumstances, might feel that a brief verbal exposition might be sufficient; others might feel that there should be some kind of physical reinforcement to the lesson. Virtually none, however, will let it slide, as this is seen as an affront not merely to the individual cop, but to the badge.


Off-duty cops hired by WalMart wear "the badge"?
2012-12-09 06:07:09 AM
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DON.MAC: She wondered over to the hunting section and was flirting with the kid behind the counter and was asking if she could buy a gun and which one should she get. It was insane.


No, insane is when you get home and she wants to bring it to bed with you.

Trust me, stay away from these kinds of women,
2012-12-09 05:54:29 AM
1 votes:

CreamFilling: ox45tallboy: Wal-Mart could very well face some liability in a wrongful death suit, especially if it is proven he fired into a vehicle moving away from him.

The vehicle wasn't moving away from him. It was dragging him along with it.


That depends on which story you read.
2012-12-09 05:31:57 AM
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DON.MAC: ox45tallboy: DON.MAC: You can get killed for stealing a toaster before it gets put on the first container.

But by the second container you're cool, right?

Far less likely to have your family pay for the bullet at least.


If your toaster is in a vehicle speeding away from you in a Walmart parking lot, let it go, man... it's gone. 

/if shoplifters were armed, this wouldn't happen
2012-12-09 03:02:05 AM
1 votes:

Bathia_Mapes: I'm pretty sure Walmart's shoplifter procedures apply to their employees only, not an off duty cop who happened to be there .


He didn't just happen to be there. From the Daily Mail arty:

'We hire off duty officers to provide security to some of our stores. While we have policies in place for our associates to disengage from situations that might put them or others in harm's way, off-duty officers working at a WM store are authorized to act in accordance with their department's code of conduct.'

But yeah, he doesn't have to obey WM policy, apparently.
 
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