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(CBS Houston)   Off-duty cop in "fear for his life" fires weapon at suspected Walmart shoplifters speeding away, killing one but luckily missing the two small children in the car. Tag is for not knowing Walmart's new policy regarding shoplifters   ( houston.cbslocal.com) divider line
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2012-12-09 02:17:38 AM  

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"You didn't pay for that. Your ass is mine!"

 
2012-12-09 02:20:30 AM  
"They are coming straight at me!" *shruggs*
 
2012-12-09 02:39:39 AM  
I'm pretty sure Walmart's shoplifter procedures apply to their employees only, not an off duty cop who happened to be there .
 
2012-12-09 03:02:05 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: I'm pretty sure Walmart's shoplifter procedures apply to their employees only, not an off duty cop who happened to be there .


He didn't just happen to be there. From the Daily Mail arty:

'We hire off duty officers to provide security to some of our stores. While we have policies in place for our associates to disengage from situations that might put them or others in harm's way, off-duty officers working at a WM store are authorized to act in accordance with their department's code of conduct.'

But yeah, he doesn't have to obey WM policy, apparently.
 
2012-12-09 03:04:09 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: I'm pretty sure Walmart's shoplifter procedures apply to their employees only, not an off duty cop who happened to be there .


He didn't just "happen to be there", he was paid by Wal-Mart to stand around in uniform as a deterrent, and do any police-type stuff if the need arose, or at least call for the on-duty guys. Ever seen cops at a concert or sporting event? They're "off-duty", being paid by the venue or promoter to be there.

Here's another article that goes into more depth about why the officer was there:

Harris County deputy Louis Campbell, who was working an approved extra job that evening as Walmart security, was alerted immediately when the suspects made their way to checkout.
 
2012-12-09 03:15:03 AM  

fusillade762: But yeah, he doesn't have to obey WM policy, apparently.


Well, cops are their own law anyway.

But what about the security guard that put the shoplifter in Atlanta in a headlock two weeks ago, and somehow the shoplifter wound up dead by the time the cops showed up? He worked for a private security company, not directly for Wal-Mart, but wasn't he still expected to follow Wal-Mart policies regarding shoplifters, and, you know, not kill them?

Extra jobs that cops take on are invariably on a "contract" basis, rather than as an actual employee of the business or event; however, were the cop to take a second job as a contracted truck driver, wouldn't he be expected to follow the company policy as well? (e.g., things like no offensive bumper stickers when hauling trailers with the company logo, no passengers when hauling company-owned freight, mandatory stops every four hours even when not legally required, etc.) How about as a contracted accountant during tax season? What if he were to receive a contract from the city to provide lawn maintenance, could the city require that he wear an orange vest while mowing, even though he is not legally required to do so?

The point is that cop or no, Wal-Mart can dictate policy he is required to follow. Also, since he was being paid by Wal-Mart to be there, Wal-Mart could very well face some liability in a wrongful death suit, especially if it is proven he fired into a vehicle moving away from him.
 
2012-12-09 03:16:28 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: I'm pretty sure Walmart's shoplifter procedures apply to their employees only, not an off duty cop who happened to be there .


Oh, and the joke was supposed to be the shoplifters were not aware that Wal-Mart now kills suspected shoplifters.
 
2012-12-09 03:38:58 AM  

ox45tallboy: Bathia_Mapes: I'm pretty sure Walmart's shoplifter procedures apply to their employees only, not an off duty cop who happened to be there .

Oh, and the joke was supposed to be the shoplifters were not aware that Wal-Mart now kills suspected shoplifters.


You can get killed for stealing a toaster before it gets put on the first container.
 
2012-12-09 03:46:16 AM  

DON.MAC: You can get killed for stealing a toaster before it gets put on the first container.


But by the second container you're cool, right?
 
2012-12-09 03:56:08 AM  

ox45tallboy: DON.MAC: You can get killed for stealing a toaster before it gets put on the first container.

But by the second container you're cool, right?


Far less likely to have your family pay for the bullet at least.
 
2012-12-09 04:08:51 AM  

DON.MAC: Far less likely to have your family pay for the bullet at least.


At least they're on sale in the sporting goods department.
 
2012-12-09 05:31:57 AM  

DON.MAC: ox45tallboy: DON.MAC: You can get killed for stealing a toaster before it gets put on the first container.

But by the second container you're cool, right?

Far less likely to have your family pay for the bullet at least.


If your toaster is in a vehicle speeding away from you in a Walmart parking lot, let it go, man... it's gone. 

/if shoplifters were armed, this wouldn't happen
 
2012-12-09 05:50:55 AM  

ox45tallboy: DON.MAC: Far less likely to have your family pay for the bullet at least.

At least they're on sale in the sporting goods department.


I took an Aussie girlfriend to Texas Wal-mart at about 3 am (recent arrival, jet lag, needed stuff, it was open). She wondered over to the hunting section and was flirting with the kid behind the counter and was asking if she could buy a gun and which one should she get. It was insane.
 
2012-12-09 05:53:09 AM  

ox45tallboy: Wal-Mart could very well face some liability in a wrongful death suit, especially if it is proven he fired into a vehicle moving away from him.


The vehicle wasn't moving away from him. It was dragging him along with it.
 
2012-12-09 05:54:29 AM  

CreamFilling: ox45tallboy: Wal-Mart could very well face some liability in a wrongful death suit, especially if it is proven he fired into a vehicle moving away from him.

The vehicle wasn't moving away from him. It was dragging him along with it.


That depends on which story you read.
 
2012-12-09 05:57:04 AM  

DON.MAC: CreamFilling: ox45tallboy: Wal-Mart could very well face some liability in a wrongful death suit, especially if it is proven he fired into a vehicle moving away from him.

The vehicle wasn't moving away from him. It was dragging him along with it.

That depends on which story you read.


Perhaps if he hadn't attempted to force his way into the vehicle this may not have happened.
 
2012-12-09 06:07:09 AM  

DON.MAC: She wondered over to the hunting section and was flirting with the kid behind the counter and was asking if she could buy a gun and which one should she get. It was insane.


No, insane is when you get home and she wants to bring it to bed with you.

Trust me, stay away from these kinds of women,
 
2012-12-09 06:20:43 AM  

AbbeySomeone: Perhaps if he hadn't attempted to force his way into the vehicle this may not have happened.


Most cops I know are already pretty damned tired when they get to these off-duty gigs, having already put in an eight-hour shift hunting down miscreants. Most of the time, they don't want to work, and will happily just call in some on-duty guys to handle an arrest.

I don't want to go too far into conjecture, but if a woman smacks a cop with her purse, regardless of if she had a good reason, the cop is probably not going to be happy about it, and might decide to chase after her. He's probably not going to let her drive (or get into a car and ride) away without teaching her that smacking a cop with your purse is unacceptable behavior in civilized society. Some cops, depending on the circumstances, might feel that a brief verbal exposition might be sufficient; others might feel that there should be some kind of physical reinforcement to the lesson. Virtually none, however, will let it slide, as this is seen as an affront not merely to the individual cop, but to the badge.

I don't know of any police procedure which allows for effecting arrest under these circumstances for simple petty theft when the cop is on foot with no backup and the suspects are attempting to flee by car. The cop is placing himself in danger in these circumstances, and cops are trained to look out for their own safety before the safety of others. He has a radio. Call in the license plate and have the on-duty guys bring the suspects back for your lecture/tazing/beatdown. Shooting at a fleeing car might look great in an action movie, but it makes you look like a total dick unconcerned with public safety when it happens in real life.
 
2012-12-09 07:11:08 AM  
"killing one but luckily missing the two small children in the car."


More proof that cops should carry fully automatic weapons.
 
2012-12-09 07:20:12 AM  

ox45tallboy: I don't want to go too far into conjecture, but if a woman smacks a cop with her purse, regardless of if she had a good reason, the cop is probably not going to be happy about it, and might decide to chase after her. He's probably not going to let her drive (or get into a car and ride) away without teaching her that smacking a cop with your purse is unacceptable behavior in civilized society. Some cops, depending on the circumstances, might feel that a brief verbal exposition might be sufficient; others might feel that there should be some kind of physical reinforcement to the lesson. Virtually none, however, will let it slide, as this is seen as an affront not merely to the individual cop, but to the badge.


Off-duty cops hired by WalMart wear "the badge"?
 
2012-12-09 08:23:24 AM  

ox45tallboy:

Trust me, stay away from these kinds of women,


Some lessons must be learned the hard way... so I'm ignoring your advice.
 
2012-12-09 08:25:38 AM  

CreamFilling: ox45tallboy: Wal-Mart could very well face some liability in a wrongful death suit, especially if it is proven he fired into a vehicle moving away from him.

The vehicle wasn't moving away from him. It was dragging him along with it.


Until he let go of the handle.
 
2012-12-09 08:41:31 AM  
It is after all, Texas...

Pretty sure you can shoot someone for cutting in line there, especially if they are mentally handicapped.
 
2012-12-09 09:15:21 AM  

ox45tallboy: Harris County deputy Louis Campbell, who was working an approved extra job that evening as Walmart security, was alerted immediately when the suspects made their way to checkout.


Fantastic. Another greenlight with a poor headline.

Save money, live die better. walmart
 
2012-12-09 09:17:27 AM  

PreMortem: It is after all, Texas...

Pretty sure you can shoot someone for cutting in line there, especially if they are mentally handicapped.


Not "can" it's expected.
 
2012-12-09 09:27:32 AM  
I think you may have left something out, subby.
 
2012-12-09 10:11:23 AM  

thamike: I think you may have left something out, subby.


Yeah, maybe the part about the cop getting dragged as the car sped away.
 
2012-12-09 10:18:53 AM  
Another one of the many reasons not to shop at Walmart
 
2012-12-09 10:20:54 AM  
I like to play bumper cop. Why all the shootin? U mad. officer?
 
2012-12-09 10:22:54 AM  
100 percent justified as the black lady was literally trying to kill him. hero cop.
 
2012-12-09 10:23:02 AM  

truchaos: More proof that cops should carry fully automatic weapons.


All bad cops need to carry an AK-47, like portrayed below.

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Those kids are worth at LEAST one star.
 
2012-12-09 10:23:36 AM  
You have to wear a smiley face pin and hope they accept you as one of their own.
 
2012-12-09 10:23:39 AM  
Hey man, nice shot.
 
2012-12-09 10:24:33 AM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: You have to wear a smiley face pin and hope they accept you as one of their own.


HEY.

HEY HEY HEY.

You can't post in a thread without laying on us an episode of TMLO theatre.
 
2012-12-09 10:24:43 AM  
Am I missing the mention in the article of the two small children?
 
2012-12-09 10:27:21 AM  

AbbeySomeone: DON.MAC: CreamFilling: ox45tallboy: Wal-Mart could very well face some liability in a wrongful death suit, especially if it is proven he fired into a vehicle moving away from him.

The vehicle wasn't moving away from him. It was dragging him along with it.

That depends on which story you read.

Perhaps if he hadn't attempted to force his way into the vehicle this may not have happened.


Why shouldn't he? Shopkeepers privilege allows for the reasonable pursuit and detaining of a suspected thief. You blame the cop, why didn't she stop? If a cop opens your door, you comply, you feel you have been unjustly detained, you call a lawyer.
 
2012-12-09 10:28:31 AM  

Cuchulane: Am I missing the mention in the article of the two small children?


The headline was long. No need to read article.
 
2012-12-09 10:28:50 AM  

willfullyobscure: 100 percent justified as the black lady was literally trying to kill him. hero cop.


Where in the article does it say the lady was black? Oh, never mind, I just remembered that the article said she was stealing....
 
2012-12-09 10:30:14 AM  
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2012-12-09 10:30:16 AM  

Big_Fat_Liar: willfullyobscure: 100 percent justified as the black lady was literally trying to kill him. hero cop.

Where in the article does it say the lady was black? Oh, never mind, I just remembered that the article said she was stealing....


That can't be racist. I know you're white, Sir. And Racism is a crime. And we all know white people can't commit crimes!

/end sarcasm.
 
2012-12-09 10:31:06 AM  

BronyMedic: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: You have to wear a smiley face pin and hope they accept you as one of their own.

HEY.

HEY HEY HEY.

You can't post in a thread without laying on us an episode of TMLO theatre.


That was the short attention span edition of TMLO theatre I think
 
2012-12-09 10:31:47 AM  
Reading this from Lubbock Online-It sounds like a good shooting:

HOUSTON

Authorities are investigating the fatal shooting of a suspected shoplifter by a sheriff's deputy during a confrontation outside a Houston-area Wal-Mart store.

Officials say Harris County sheriff's Deputy Louis Campbell confronted several female suspects suspected of stealing from the store Thursday evening.

Sheriff's spokesman Thomas Gilliland says Campbell chased one of the suspects after she hit him. The woman then entered a car. Gilliland says that when Campbell opened the car's door, the vehicle accelerated. The deputy was standing between the car door and driver's seat and, fearing for his life, fired his weapon.
 
2012-12-09 10:31:58 AM  
good
 
2012-12-09 10:33:37 AM  

truchaos: "killing one but luckily missing the two small children in the car."


More proof that cops should carry fully automatic weapons.


I lol'd
 
2012-12-09 10:33:39 AM  
Makes you wonder how your next IRS audit will go, eh?
Remember the Fed just armed an entire army of bureaucrats.

Gun Control you can believe in.
 
2012-12-09 10:33:51 AM  
Misleading headline of the year.
 
2012-12-09 10:34:13 AM  

Via Infinito: thamike: I think you may have left something out, subby.

Yeah, maybe the part about the cop getting dragged as the car sped away.


The cop should have thought of the consequences before holding on, trying to be another Christmas hero.
 
2012-12-09 10:34:35 AM  

BronyMedic: HEY.

HEY HEY HEY.

You can't post in a thread without laying on us an episode of TMLO theatre.


Heh, I dig, I follow! I've got nothing prepared for now, but... I'll keep thinking of ideas, anyways!


Pribar: That was the short attention span edition of TMLO theatre I think


TMLO Theater: Text-Based Edition!
 
2012-12-09 10:34:54 AM  
One more thing--she was already on probation for shoplifting...from Walmart! As part of her probation, she wasn't even allowed to be in a Walmart...

Here's a pic of the delicate little flower...

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2012-12-09 10:35:23 AM  

CreamFilling: ox45tallboy: Wal-Mart could very well face some liability in a wrongful death suit, especially if it is proven he fired into a vehicle moving away from him.

The vehicle wasn't moving away from him. It was dragging him along with it.


Normal people don't put lives on the line over some slave-made Walmart crap.
 
2012-12-09 10:36:29 AM  

BravadoGT: One more thing--she was already on probation for shoplifting...from Walmart! As part of her probation, she wasn't even allowed to be in a Walmart...

Here's a pic of the delicate little flower...

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Wow. The Funeral Home did nice work. She actually looks alive.
 
2012-12-09 10:36:48 AM  

Richard Saunders: DON.MAC: ox45tallboy: DON.MAC: You can get killed for stealing a toaster before it gets put on the first container.

But by the second container you're cool, right?

Far less likely to have your family pay for the bullet at least.

If your toaster is in a vehicle speeding away from you in a Walmart parking lot, let it go, man... it's gone. 

/if shoplifters were armed, this wouldn't happen


Great, now we're going to have armed shoplifters. Thanks Obama.
 
2012-12-09 10:36:50 AM  

DON.MAC: CreamFilling: ox45tallboy: Wal-Mart could very well face some liability in a wrongful death suit, especially if it is proven he fired into a vehicle moving away from him.

The vehicle wasn't moving away from him. It was dragging him along with it.

That depends on which story you read.


Reading seldom trumps paradigms.
 
2012-12-09 10:38:16 AM  
Well yes they have a new rule. But the article didn't say anything about a bunch of customers and a wal-mart guard killing the person with a headlock
 
2012-12-09 10:38:17 AM  
This happened in Texas. You are allowed to chase people down and kill them for minor property crimes there, you don't even have to be a cop, you can be a bystander. Probably perfectly legal to kill everyone including the kids in the fleeing vehicle too.
 
2012-12-09 10:38:20 AM  

BravadoGT: It sounds like a good shooting:

The deputy was standing between the car door and driver's seat and, fearing for his life, fired his weapon.



No. He is only claiming a "fear for his life" because the shooting is not justified under these circumstances.
 
2012-12-09 10:38:21 AM  

Godscrack: Via Infinito: thamike: I think you may have left something out, subby.

Yeah, maybe the part about the cop getting dragged as the car sped away.

The cop should have thought of the consequences before holding on, trying to be another Christmas hero.


Gotta question any idiot that attempts to hold a car.
 
2012-12-09 10:38:21 AM  
Could someone point me to where in the "article" it mentions children in the car? I could only find reference to grown women.
 
2012-12-09 10:38:29 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: Great, now we're going to have armed shoplifters. Thanks Obama.


Hey, the armless ones are just as bad, Sir.

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2012-12-09 10:39:26 AM  

BravadoGT: One more thing--she was already on probation for shoplifting...from Walmart! As part of her probation, she wasn't even allowed to be in a Walmart...

Here's a pic of the delicate little flower...

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By all means then, shoot her dead for petty larceny.
 
2012-12-09 10:40:00 AM  

BravadoGT: One more thing--she was already on probation for shoplifting...from Walmart! As part of her probation, she wasn't even allowed to be in a Walmart...

Here's a pic of the delicate little flower...

[www.digitaljournal.com image 281x371]


So clearly, she deserves death. Right.
 
2012-12-09 10:41:25 AM  
It's too bad that he missed a prime opportunity to remove two more from the shoplifting gene pool...
 
2012-12-09 10:42:11 AM  

Rich Cream: By all means then, shoot her dead for petty larceny.


KellyKellyKelly: So clearly, she deserves death. Right.


The article seems to indicate she was shot because she tried to drive off and drug the guy with her, not because she stole something. Which if that's the case, IS legal grounds for using lethal force.
 
2012-12-09 10:42:23 AM  

BravadoGT: Reading this from Lubbock Online-It sounds like a good shooting:

HOUSTON

Authorities are investigating the fatal shooting of a suspected shoplifter by a sheriff's deputy during a confrontation outside a Houston-area Wal-Mart store.

Officials say Harris County sheriff's Deputy Louis Campbell confronted several female suspects suspected of stealing from the store Thursday evening.

Sheriff's spokesman Thomas Gilliland says Campbell chased one of the suspects after she hit him. The woman then entered a car. Gilliland says that when Campbell opened the car's door, the vehicle accelerated. The deputy was standing between the car door and driver's seat and, fearing for his life, fired his weapon.


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What a person standing between a car door and driver's seat may look like.

I don't think he's in danger unless the car is going backwards.
 
2012-12-09 10:43:25 AM  
TFA does not actually say that the person killed was one of the shoplifters, could have been the getaway driver, or just someone that was not involved and was taking care of the kids in the car. Probably still legal in Texas though.
 
2012-12-09 10:45:23 AM  

ox45tallboy: Shooting at a fleeing car might look great in an action movie, but it makes you look like a total dick unconcerned with public safety when it happens in real life.


FIFY
 
2012-12-09 10:45:28 AM  

Theaetetus: BravadoGT: Reading this from Lubbock Online-It sounds like a good shooting:

HOUSTON

Authorities are investigating the fatal shooting of a suspected shoplifter by a sheriff's deputy during a confrontation outside a Houston-area Wal-Mart store.

Officials say Harris County sheriff's Deputy Louis Campbell confronted several female suspects suspected of stealing from the store Thursday evening.

Sheriff's spokesman Thomas Gilliland says Campbell chased one of the suspects after she hit him. The woman then entered a car. Gilliland says that when Campbell opened the car's door, the vehicle accelerated. The deputy was standing between the car door and driver's seat and, fearing for his life, fired his weapon.

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What a person standing between a car door and driver's seat may look like.

I don't think he's in danger unless the car is going backwards.


Right, because there's no way once the car starts moving and knocks him balance, he could fall under the rear wheels....
 
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2012-12-09 10:46:57 AM  
damn, that girl skipped the sharpie and went straight for the kiwi shoe polish
 
2012-12-09 10:48:13 AM  

BravadoGT: Theaetetus: BravadoGT: Reading this from Lubbock Online-It sounds like a good shooting:

HOUSTON

Authorities are investigating the fatal shooting of a suspected shoplifter by a sheriff's deputy during a confrontation outside a Houston-area Wal-Mart store.

Officials say Harris County sheriff's Deputy Louis Campbell confronted several female suspects suspected of stealing from the store Thursday evening.

Sheriff's spokesman Thomas Gilliland says Campbell chased one of the suspects after she hit him. The woman then entered a car. Gilliland says that when Campbell opened the car's door, the vehicle accelerated. The deputy was standing between the car door and driver's seat and, fearing for his life, fired his weapon.

[image.shutterstock.com image 300x470]
What a person standing between a car door and driver's seat may look like.

I don't think he's in danger unless the car is going backwards.

Right, because there's no way once the car starts moving and knocks him balance, he could fall under the rear wheels....


Gosh, you're right... I hadn't thought of that. Mind you, that could happen any time anyone is standing near a car, so therefore, we're justified in shooting the driver if we're within 5 feet while they're moving.
 
2012-12-09 10:48:59 AM  
Keep preventing that loss, coppers.
 
2012-12-09 10:49:29 AM  

Theaetetus:
Gosh, you're right... I hadn't thought of that. Mind you, that could happen any time anyone is standing near a car, so therefore, we're justified in shooting the driver if we're within 5 feet while they're moving.


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2012-12-09 10:51:02 AM  
Subby probably writes for NBC news.
 
2012-12-09 10:51:19 AM  
Here's a pic of the delicate little flower...

Looks like an Anime character
 
2012-12-09 10:51:28 AM  
In the civilized world, this is considered murder.

A human life for a property crime? Maybe in Saudi Arabia.
 
2012-12-09 10:51:46 AM  

BravadoGT: Theaetetus: BravadoGT: Reading this from Lubbock Online-It sounds like a good shooting:

HOUSTON

Authorities are investigating the fatal shooting of a suspected shoplifter by a sheriff's deputy during a confrontation outside a Houston-area Wal-Mart store.

Officials say Harris County sheriff's Deputy Louis Campbell confronted several female suspects suspected of stealing from the store Thursday evening.

Sheriff's spokesman Thomas Gilliland says Campbell chased one of the suspects after she hit him. The woman then entered a car. Gilliland says that when Campbell opened the car's door, the vehicle accelerated. The deputy was standing between the car door and driver's seat and, fearing for his life, fired his weapon.

[image.shutterstock.com image 300x470]
What a person standing between a car door and driver's seat may look like.

I don't think he's in danger unless the car is going backwards.

Right, because there's no way once the car starts moving and knocks him balance, he could fall under the rear wheels....


Think that one through CAREFULLY, and maybe you will understand why everyone is laughing at you. eEstapo cops indeed.
 
2012-12-09 10:51:50 AM  
Loss prevention officials noticed

WTF. Walmart has officials. The article doesn't explain how Walmart was nationalized earlier in the morning to prevent another December 7th style terrorist attack or that the author has shared her christmas meth recipe with the editor again.
 
2012-12-09 10:52:38 AM  

truchaos: "killing one but luckily missing the two small children in the car."


More proof that cops should carry fully automatic weapons.


Just don't lead them so much...
 
2012-12-09 10:53:03 AM  

BravadoGT: One more thing--she was already on probation for shoplifting...from Walmart! As part of her probation, she wasn't even allowed to be in a Walmart...

Here's a pic of the delicate little flower...

[www.digitaljournal.com image 281x371]


So she got what she deserved?
 
2012-12-09 10:53:20 AM  
Nother obamer voter down.
 
2012-12-09 10:54:02 AM  

Theaetetus: BravadoGT: Theaetetus: BravadoGT: Reading this from Lubbock Online-It sounds like a good shooting:

HOUSTON

Authorities are investigating the fatal shooting of a suspected shoplifter by a sheriff's deputy during a confrontation outside a Houston-area Wal-Mart store.

Officials say Harris County sheriff's Deputy Louis Campbell confronted several female suspects suspected of stealing from the store Thursday evening.

Sheriff's spokesman Thomas Gilliland says Campbell chased one of the suspects after she hit him. The woman then entered a car. Gilliland says that when Campbell opened the car's door, the vehicle accelerated. The deputy was standing between the car door and driver's seat and, fearing for his life, fired his weapon.

[image.shutterstock.com image 300x470]
What a person standing between a car door and driver's seat may look like.

I don't think he's in danger unless the car is going backwards.

Right, because there's no way once the car starts moving and knocks him balance, he could fall under the rear wheels....

Gosh, you're right... I hadn't thought of that. Mind you, that could happen any time anyone is standing near a car, so therefore, we're justified in shooting the driver if we're within 5 feet while they're moving.


If you're a police officer in the lawful exercise of your duty and have given the individual a lawful order to stop, and that individual has refused and as a consequence-placed your life in danger. Then yes, you are justified.

I'm not giving you my opinion, I'm just telling you how the law reads (at least in my state, which I would bet is very similar to Texas in this respect).
 
2012-12-09 10:54:17 AM  

filter: In the civilized world, this is considered murder.

A human life for a property crime? Maybe in Saudi Arabia.


Uh, what? The guy didn't shoot her for driving away with property. TFA indicates he shot her because he was being dragged by the vehicle when he tried to stop her from driving off, after she slugged him. If you drag a cop, you're probably going to get shot by him.
 
2012-12-09 10:54:28 AM  

BravadoGT: Right, because there's no way once the car starts moving and knocks him balance, he could fall under the rear wheels....


How would the vehicle make contact with the body? Did it go sideways or something? More likely he didn't let go of the door handle or he threw himself into the car trying to control the situation.
 
2012-12-09 10:54:36 AM  
Dear Subtard:
The headline is totally misleading, I read nothing about children, nor did it gave me the impression that the deputy was acting unlawfully. The man gave several warnings, was assaulted, and even dragged by a car.
 
2012-12-09 10:54:38 AM  

BravadoGT: Here's a pic of the delicate little flower...


Markie the clown to sue for trademark infringement before she's in the ground.
 
2012-12-09 10:54:47 AM  
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2012-12-09 10:56:31 AM  

filter: In the civilized world, this is considered murder.

A human life for a property crime? Maybe in Saudi Arabia.


Texas
Civilized world?

Vast riches from oil wealth isn't the only thing Texas had in common with Saudi Arabia.
 
2012-12-09 10:56:44 AM  
I'm still trying to find the dammm kids. WTF?
 
2012-12-09 10:57:34 AM  

Godscrack: [img831.imageshack.us image 600x574]


So this is what we've come to.

Photoshopping the dead?

That's shameful. Anne Frankly, I won't stand for it.

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2012-12-09 10:58:10 AM  

BravadoGT: If you're a police officer in the lawful exercise of your duty and have given the individual a lawful order to stop, and that individual has refused and as a consequence-placed your life in danger. Then yes, you are justified.



I agree but I don't see where his life was threatened. Maybe if we go with "threat of grave bodily harm" rather than "death" we can find a common ground.

/still, why is the gun even out of the holster at this point? is that standard practice now to draw your weapon at the initiation of procedure or at the first sign of disobedience? seems a little cowardly
 
2012-12-09 10:58:27 AM  

BlackMtnMan: I'm still trying to find the dammm kids. WTF?


*GASP*

WHERE'S CARL?! WHERE IS CARL?!

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2012-12-09 10:58:38 AM  

Rich Cream: BravadoGT: Right, because there's no way once the car starts moving and knocks him balance, he could fall under the rear wheels....

How would the vehicle make contact with the body? Did it go sideways or something? More likely he didn't let go of the door handle or he threw himself into the car trying to control the situation.


Go try it yourself. Have your buddy back out of a parking spot with his door open while you stand next to him. Then come back here and try again.
 
2012-12-09 10:59:35 AM  
It's jus' po' folk dieing for stealing $2 worth of Walmart shiat. Nuttin' to see here.
 
2012-12-09 11:00:11 AM  
Step 1 - Place yourself in danger
Step 2 - Claim you feared for your life
Step 3 - Shoot a minority in the face and live the dream of every cop an 2Aer.
 
2012-12-09 11:01:22 AM  

Theaetetus: BravadoGT: Reading this from Lubbock Online-It sounds like a good shooting:

HOUSTON

Authorities are investigating the fatal shooting of a suspected shoplifter by a sheriff's deputy during a confrontation outside a Houston-area Wal-Mart store.

Officials say Harris County sheriff's Deputy Louis Campbell confronted several female suspects suspected of stealing from the store Thursday evening.

Sheriff's spokesman Thomas Gilliland says Campbell chased one of the suspects after she hit him. The woman then entered a car. Gilliland says that when Campbell opened the car's door, the vehicle accelerated. The deputy was standing between the car door and driver's seat and, fearing for his life, fired his weapon.

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What a person standing between a car door and driver's seat may look like.

I don't think he's in danger unless the car is going backwards.


It helps when you actually RTFA.
 
2012-12-09 11:02:01 AM  

BronyMedic: TFA indicates he shot her because he was being dragged by the vehicle when he tried to stop her from driving off, after she slugged him.


She hit him with a purse.
 
2012-12-09 11:02:28 AM  

Apik0r0s: Step 1 - Place yourself in danger
Step 2 - Claim you feared for your life
Step 3 - Shoot a minority in the face and live the dream of every cop an 2Aer.


Pretty much, particularly when "standing next to a moving car" counts as "in danger" since you could "slip and fall under the rear wheels".

/"stepping backwards" may be more efficient than shooting someone in the head
 
2012-12-09 11:02:46 AM  

Cuchulane: Am I missing the mention in the article of the two small children?


Same here.
 
2012-12-09 11:03:04 AM  

jmr61: Theaetetus: BravadoGT: Reading this from Lubbock Online-It sounds like a good shooting:

HOUSTON

Authorities are investigating the fatal shooting of a suspected shoplifter by a sheriff's deputy during a confrontation outside a Houston-area Wal-Mart store.

Officials say Harris County sheriff's Deputy Louis Campbell confronted several female suspects suspected of stealing from the store Thursday evening.

Sheriff's spokesman Thomas Gilliland says Campbell chased one of the suspects after she hit him. The woman then entered a car. Gilliland says that when Campbell opened the car's door, the vehicle accelerated. The deputy was standing between the car door and driver's seat and, fearing for his life, fired his weapon.

[image.shutterstock.com image 300x470]
What a person standing between a car door and driver's seat may look like.

I don't think he's in danger unless the car is going backwards.

It helps when you actually RTFA.


What reading the article may look like.
 
2012-12-09 11:03:34 AM  

umad: Go try it yourself. Have your buddy back out of a parking spot with his door open while you stand next to him. Then come back here and try again.


Backing out? Since when?

Additional reports stated that the deputy then opened the door and commanded the driver to stop. Instead of stopping the car, the woman put it in drive, revving forward and dragging the deputy. It was then that the deputy fired his weapon as the vehicle sped away.


So he didn't fire until she was driving away and apparently not within arm's reach.

If he got dragged by the car it was because he grabbed it and hung onto it. Unless you want to say his wedding ring or belt loop got hung up on something?
 
2012-12-09 11:04:11 AM  

fusillade762: Off-duty cops hired by WalMart wear "the badge"?


Wal-Mart IS our Govt, may as well drop the pretense.
 
2012-12-09 11:04:49 AM  
If that shoplifter had stolen a gun, she might be alive today.
 
2012-12-09 11:04:56 AM  

BronyMedic: filter: In the civilized world, this is considered murder.

A human life for a property crime? Maybe in Saudi Arabia.

Uh, what? The guy didn't shoot her for driving away with property. TFA indicates he shot her because he was being dragged by the vehicle when he tried to stop her from driving off, after she slugged him. If you drag a cop, you're probably going to get shot by him.


Not if you do it correctly.
 
2012-12-09 11:05:00 AM  
Most importantly: he shot at her after she got away and was no longer a threat to his safety.
 
2012-12-09 11:05:07 AM  

Rich Cream: BravadoGT: If you're a police officer in the lawful exercise of your duty and have given the individual a lawful order to stop, and that individual has refused and as a consequence-placed your life in danger. Then yes, you are justified.


I agree but I don't see where his life was threatened. Maybe if we go with "threat of grave bodily harm" rather than "death" we can find a common ground.

/still, why is the gun even out of the holster at this point? is that standard practice now to draw your weapon at the initiation of procedure or at the first sign of disobedience? seems a little cowardly


If the wheels of the car are pointed straight, then the officer may be able to safely stop moving and just let the car go past. If the wheels are turned to the left--he could still be knocked to the ground and run over after letting go of the vehicle. Cops know this, courts know this, and the courts don't expect them to try to make that determination on the fly. There are plenty of examples out there where the cop has let go and then was run over by the rear wheels. Consequently, If they have given a lawful order to stop, and the car is dragging the cop along (even when they're hanging on)--no one's going to give much of a second thought about blessing a shooting under those circumstances.

Cops routinely draw their weapons once they have determined that the suspect is not going to cooperate with their orders--he likely had it drawn as he was chasing her to the car and she was running from him. Sometimes fleeing suspects decide to draw their own weapon and engage the officer.
 
2012-12-09 11:05:21 AM  
Lots of trolling here. Don't hit, and drag a police officer. Bad things will happen. Did they not know this? One less thug.
 
2012-12-09 11:06:26 AM  

Rich Cream: BravadoGT: If you're a police officer in the lawful exercise of your duty and have given the individual a lawful order to stop, and that individual has refused and as a consequence-placed your life in danger. Then yes, you are justified.


I agree but I don't see where his life was threatened. Maybe if we go with "threat of grave bodily harm" rather than "death" we can find a common ground.

/still, why is the gun even out of the holster at this point? is that standard practice now to draw your weapon at the initiation of procedure or at the first sign of disobedience? seems a little cowardly


That would be why he only had one hand to get afeared for his life with.
 
2012-12-09 11:06:43 AM  
Kill cops because cops kill.
 
2012-12-09 11:07:15 AM  

Rich Cream: So he didn't fire until she was driving away and apparently not within arm's reach.

If he got dragged by the car it was because he grabbed it and hung onto it. Unless you want to say his wedding ring or belt loop got hung up on something?


Uh, I hate to interrupt your idea of what the world should be like, but in reality, dragging a law enforcement officer with a car, for any reason is justification for the use of lethal force.

Whether or not, by walmart's policy, he should have chased her like he did is irrelevant at that point.
 
2012-12-09 11:07:37 AM  

BravadoGT: Sheriff's spokesman Thomas Gilliland says Campbell chased one of the suspects after she hit him. The woman then entered a car. Gilliland says that when Campbell opened the car's door, the vehicle accelerated. The deputy was standing between the car door and driver's seat and, fearing for his life, fired his weapon.


Translated to English, this means that the cop had ALREADY drawn his pistol when he jerked the car door open and stepped between the open door and driver's seat to order the driver out of the car.

Note to black people: when The Man tells you to exit the car, he's gonna kill you and get away with murder if you don't comply.
 
2012-12-09 11:07:44 AM  
Don't run from the cops.

/Why is this hard to understand?
 
2012-12-09 11:07:52 AM  
The biatch assaulted him twice. Its justified
 
2012-12-09 11:09:29 AM  

Stone Meadow: Note to black people: when The Man tells you to exit the car, he's gonna kill you and get away with murder if you don't comply.


Where does it say the thieves were black? Or are you the racist here.
 
2012-12-09 11:09:36 AM  

fusillade762: Bathia_Mapes: I'm pretty sure Walmart's shoplifter procedures apply to their employees only, not an off duty cop who happened to be there .

He didn't just happen to be there. From the Daily Mail arty:

'We hire off duty officers to provide security to some of our stores. While we have policies in place for our associates to disengage from situations that might put them or others in harm's way, off-duty officers working at a WM store are authorized to act in accordance with their department's code of conduct.'

But yeah, he doesn't have to obey WM policy, apparently.


I used to work as a loss prevention officer at Walmart, and no, the off duty cops do not have the same rules as loss prevention does. They follow their own department rules.

And also the car was actually going in reverse, according to the police report, and dragging the officer and he feared for his life.
 
2012-12-09 11:10:05 AM  

ButterMule: Kill cops because cops kill.


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You should take your own advice. Don't wait on others. Pick up the nearest gun and charge a police station. Be an Hero to us all.
 
MFK
2012-12-09 11:10:15 AM  

Ooba Tooba: Lots of trolling here. Don't hit, and drag a police officer. Bad things will happen. Did they not know this? One less thug.


I don't suppose it's occurred to you that the "bad things will happen" could actually be the problem?
 
2012-12-09 11:11:02 AM  
With helpul picture of what a $2K .22 caliber Olympic target pistol might look like.
 
2012-12-09 11:11:33 AM  

fluffy2097: Don't run from the cops.

/Why is this hard to understand?


And maybe the whole "don't commit crime" as well?
 
2012-12-09 11:11:41 AM  

hbk72777: Where does it say the thieves were black?


A picture of the victim is already in the thread.
 
2012-12-09 11:11:45 AM  
I think there's a very good chance that he wasn't actively trying to shoot her. If you were caught partially in/on a moving car with a firearm in your hand, I would imagine it'd be pretty easy for your finger to squeeze the trigger inadvertently.

Whether he was right to be in that situation is a question I won't speculate on, but seriously, I think it's safe to say he didn't "shoot her for shoplifting." Same goes for all those "shot for $8" stories. A criminal does not determine the contents of your wallet before mugging you. It doesn't excuse the behavior, but be honest about it.
 
2012-12-09 11:11:50 AM  

filter: In the civilized world, this is considered murder.

A human life for a property crime? Maybe in Saudi Arabia.


No, the property crime was going to be handled with the cop saying "Open your bag. Do you have a receipt for that? You're under arrest." The shoplifters upped the ante by striking the officer and fleeing. Then, after a foot persuit ending at the suspects' vehicle, they try to flee with the door open and the car apparently in some type of contact with the officer.

Had the cop walked up to her, pulled out his gun and summarily executed her...then yes, I'd consider that murder. Unfortunately for the dead woman, this situation escalated four times by my count (when she struck the officer, when she fled, when she got in her car and refused orders to stop, and when she started moving with the officer attatched). It is no longer a simple property crime. The blame lies with the women, and the fact that they were willing to fight so hard and put their own lives in jeopardy over a fine or a month in county.
 
2012-12-09 11:14:12 AM  

BravadoGT: f the wheels are turned to the left--he could still be knocked to the ground and run over after letting go of the vehicle.


Fair enough. I suppose there was an unlikely chance of great harm.

BravadoGT:

Cops routinely draw their weapons once they have determined that the suspect is not going to cooperate with their orders--he likely had it drawn as he was chasing her to the car and she was running from him. Sometimes fleeing suspects decide to draw their own weapon and engage the officer.


I could see if you're stopping a suspected armed bank robber but just because someone doesn't obey you doesn't mean you can threaten them with death. Punishment by electric shock is bad enough.


BronyMedic: Whether or not, by walmart's policy, he should have chased her like he did is irrelevant at that point.


There is no way on God's green earth that WalMart's security policy is going to outrank municipal legal codes.
 
2012-12-09 11:14:13 AM  

Rich Cream: Most importantly: he shot at her after she got away and was no longer a threat to his safety.


BravadoGT: One more thing--she was already on probation for shoplifting...from Walmart! As part of her probation, she wasn't even allowed to be in a Walmart...

Here's a pic of the delicate little flower...

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Kill it!

Kill it!

It's black, like Obama!

Kill it for Freedom!
 
2012-12-09 11:14:15 AM  

MFK: Ooba Tooba: Lots of trolling here. Don't hit, and drag a police officer. Bad things will happen. Did they not know this? One less thug.

I don't suppose it's occurred to you that the "bad things will happen" could actually be the problem?


Or the problem could be that the woman tried to mow down a cop with her car.

The officer was in his Sheriff Department uniform and clearly identified as law enforcement, not as a private security guard. In addition, he was knocked off his feet, and felt like he was in danger of being ran over by the tires.
 
2012-12-09 11:14:33 AM  

lizyrd: filter: In the civilized world, this is considered murder.

A human life for a property crime? Maybe in Saudi Arabia.

No, the property crime was going to be handled with the cop saying "Open your bag. Do you have a receipt for that? You're under arrest." The shoplifters upped the ante by striking the officer and fleeing. Then, after a foot persuit ending at the suspects' vehicle, they try to flee with the door open and the car apparently in some type of contact with the officer.

Had the cop walked up to her, pulled out his gun and summarily executed her...then yes, I'd consider that murder. Unfortunately for the dead woman, this situation escalated four times by my count (when she struck the officer, when she fled, when she got in her car and refused orders to stop, and when she started moving with the officer attatched). It is no longer a simple property crime. The blame lies with the women, and the fact that they were willing to fight so hard and put their own lives in jeopardy over a fine or a month in county.


Well said! And that's why I'd never let you sit on one of my juries ;)
 
2012-12-09 11:15:03 AM  

kombat_unit: fluffy2097: Don't run from the cops.

/Why is this hard to understand?

And maybe the whole "don't commit crime" as well?


Don't be silly. In a civil society you can commit whatever crimes you like without any recourse simply by running away.

ಠ_ಠ
 
2012-12-09 11:15:13 AM  
So many good little boot lickers in these threads, it's pretty sad.
 
2012-12-09 11:15:24 AM  

BravadoGT: Here's a pic of the delicate little flower..


These lips were made for sucking
And that's just what they'll do
One of these days these
lips are gonna suck all over you

OOPS, TOO LATE.
 
2012-12-09 11:15:26 AM  

Tazandra: And also the car was actually going in reverse, according to the police report,


There is a discrepancy with regards to this.

FTA: "Additional reports stated that the deputy then opened the door and commanded the driver to stop. Instead of stopping the car, the woman put it in drive, revving forward and dragging the deputy."
 
2012-12-09 11:15:44 AM  

hbk72777: Stone Meadow: Note to black people: when The Man tells you to exit the car, he's gonna kill you and get away with murder if you don't comply.

Where does it say the thieves were black? Or are you the racist here.


Have you figured out yet how we know you didn't scroll through the thread before accusing me of being a racist?
 
2012-12-09 11:16:10 AM  
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2012-12-09 11:16:23 AM  
This is actually the plot of Les Miserables 2, which is only 10 pages long.
 
2012-12-09 11:17:09 AM  

Rich Cream: I could see if you're stopping a suspected armed bank robber but just because someone doesn't obey you doesn't mean you can threaten them with death. Punishment by electric shock is bad enough.


When you refuse an officer's order to stop, and get into a car, you have escalated the situation. You have, at the least, a one ton lethal weapon in the hands of someone you have no idea what they are going to do, then yes. They are justified by drawing their side arm in that case. They're also justified in shooting your tires out if you attempt to flee.

Rich Cream: There is no way on God's green earth that WalMart's security policy is going to outrank municipal legal codes.


Reading other articles on google about the shooting, it appears that he was working with the permission of his department in his Sheriff's uniform, as a law enforcement officer.
 
2012-12-09 11:17:20 AM  

BravadoGT: Theaetetus: BravadoGT: Theaetetus: BravadoGT: Reading this from Lubbock Online-It sounds like a good shooting:

HOUSTON

Authorities are investigating the fatal shooting of a suspected shoplifter by a sheriff's deputy during a confrontation outside a Houston-area Wal-Mart store.

Officials say Harris County sheriff's Deputy Louis Campbell confronted several female suspects suspected of stealing from the store Thursday evening.

Sheriff's spokesman Thomas Gilliland says Campbell chased one of the suspects after she hit him. The woman then entered a car. Gilliland says that when Campbell opened the car's door, the vehicle accelerated. The deputy was standing between the car door and driver's seat and, fearing for his life, fired his weapon.

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What a person standing between a car door and driver's seat may look like.

I don't think he's in danger unless the car is going backwards.

Right, because there's no way once the car starts moving and knocks him balance, he could fall under the rear wheels....

Gosh, you're right... I hadn't thought of that. Mind you, that could happen any time anyone is standing near a car, so therefore, we're justified in shooting the driver if we're within 5 feet while they're moving.

If you're a police officer in the lawful exercise of your duty and have given the individual a lawful order to stop, and that individual has refused and as a consequence-placed your life in danger. Then yes, you are justified.

I'm not giving you my opinion, I'm just telling you how the law reads (at least in my state, which I would bet is very similar to Texas in this respect).


Off duty cop, he's a mall cop now. Life is quite obviously NOT in danger, in fact shooting the driver may actually place your life in greater danger as now you have a wounded individual barreling away in a 2 ton steel machine.

Charge him with second degree murder and as many counts of reckless discharge of a firearm as there are people in the parking lot. So about 100 or so. Sounds good to me.
 
2012-12-09 11:17:24 AM  

Cubicle Jockey: Tazandra: And also the car was actually going in reverse, according to the police report,

There is a discrepancy with regards to this.

FTA: "Additional reports stated that the deputy then opened the door and commanded the driver to stop. Instead of stopping the car, the woman put it in drive, revving forward and dragging the deputy."


I think the discrepancy will be in the fact that he shot her after the danger from the car had passed. But this is Houston, he will probably get a promotion and be allowed to add a little Sambo kill sticker to his squad car.
 
2012-12-09 11:17:24 AM  

Rich Cream: BravadoGT: f the wheels are turned to the left--he could still be knocked to the ground and run over after letting go of the vehicle.

Fair enough. I suppose there was an unlikely chance of great harm.

BravadoGT:

Cops routinely draw their weapons once they have determined that the suspect is not going to cooperate with their orders--he likely had it drawn as he was chasing her to the car and she was running from him. Sometimes fleeing suspects decide to draw their own weapon and engage the officer.

I could see if you're stopping a suspected armed bank robber but just because someone doesn't obey you doesn't mean you can threaten them with death. Punishment by electric shock is bad enough.


Just because an officer has his weapon drawn from his holster doesn't mean he has raised it up, pointed it at you and threatened to shoot. It means, merely, that it is out of the holster and in his hand.

 
2012-12-09 11:18:55 AM  
Additional reports stated that the deputy then opened the door and commanded the driver to stop. Instead of stopping the car, the woman put it in drive, revving forward and dragging the deputy. It was then that the deputy fired his weapon as the vehicle sped away.

/I have no problem with this, he could have been dragged to death, seriously injured, or crushed under the cars wheels. And he had every right to open her door and try to arrest her.
 
2012-12-09 11:19:42 AM  

Cubicle Jockey: hbk72777: Where does it say the thieves were black?

A picture of the victim is already in the thread.


She is no victim. She decided to commit a crime as soon as she carried out that crime she ceased to be a victim. This is a result of her decision whether the severity of the consequence is justified or not. Some one that is attacked without provocation is a victim a criminal is not.
 
2012-12-09 11:20:22 AM  

BronyMedic: Or the problem could be that the woman tried to mow down a cop with her car.


Where's that Captain Hyperbole picture? 


Still tho, now he was also knocked down and then feared he was going to be run over and then drew his weapon and then shot at the vehicle? Was she driving in a circle or what?

The car was away from him when he shot at it. Had to be. In other words the threat has dissipated and he was simply firing out of anger.

Or, he is that high-strung and really shouldn't have a gun and be in a position of authority
 
2012-12-09 11:21:00 AM  

Mr. Carpenter: Off duty cop, he's a mall cop now


He was apparently in his service uniform however.

How does that work? You are an official police officer paid by Walmart directly?
 
2012-12-09 11:21:16 AM  

Mr. Carpenter: Off duty cop, he's a mall cop now. Life is quite obviously NOT in danger, in fact shooting the driver may actually place your life in greater danger as now you have a wounded individual barreling away in a 2 ton steel machine.


You might want to RTFA. Just because he's off duty doesn't mean anything. He's working in uniform for the store with the permission of his department. He has the same authority in this instance as if he were on the clock with them because of that. As a commissioned LEO, the standards and laws are completely different regarding use of force and ability to enact arrests.
 
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2012-12-09 11:21:19 AM  

fluffy2097: Don't run from the cops.

/Why is this hard to understand?


fight or flight for the simple minded
 
2012-12-09 11:21:50 AM  
Remedial education for those unclear on what to do when The Man orders you to stop: Chris Rock: How Not to Get Your Ass Kicked by the Police (Youtube video).
 
2012-12-09 11:22:27 AM  

Rich Cream: BronyMedic: Or the problem could be that the woman tried to mow down a cop with her car.

Still tho, now he was also knocked down and then feared he was going to be run over and then drew his weapon and then shot at the vehicle? Was she driving in a circle or what?

The car was away from him when he shot at it. Had to be. In other words the threat has dissipated and he was simply firing out of anger.

Or, he is that high-strung and really shouldn't have a gun and be in a position of authority


You're assuming a hell of a lot that isn't mentioned in ANY article I've seen. I've read five so far.
 
2012-12-09 11:22:52 AM  
Newsflash: vehicular assault on a police officer is considered an attempt on an officer's life and gets people shot all the time.

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2012-12-09 11:25:01 AM  
Letting cops act as mercenaries in the private sector is a recipe for disaster, for so many reasons.
 
2012-12-09 11:26:03 AM  
Basically his choice was to let go of the car or execute the driver, and he chose execution.
 
2012-12-09 11:26:11 AM  
"Although the suspects did get away, Houston police found the car a short time later at a nearby apartment complex. One of the women inside the vehicle was dead from a gunshot wound"


Maybe her partner shot her and she's pinning it on the cop! I've busted this case wide open!

/Dying from a gunshot wound is a form of "getting away", I suppose
 
2012-12-09 11:26:25 AM  
Smart Houston shoplifters pick Fiesta Mart. That way, you're armed to the teeth when the police show up.
 
2012-12-09 11:26:32 AM  

titwrench: She is no victim. She decided to commit a crime as soon as she carried out that crime she ceased to be a victim.


That's...that's now how the definition of victim works.
 
2012-12-09 11:26:32 AM  

BlackMtnMan: I'm still trying to find the dammm kids. WTF?


Presumably subby was talking about the other two shoplifters, ages 27 and 38. Not that it would surprise me if they actually did bring kids along. They would probably make you look less suspicious as a shoplifter or you might think they'd afford you a little leniency. Or maybe you just can't find a babysitter.
 
2012-12-09 11:27:06 AM  

Digital Communist: Letting cops act as mercenaries in the private sector is a recipe for disaster, for so many reasons.


But it worked so well in Iraq!
 
2012-12-09 11:27:09 AM  
BronyMedic: ButterMule: Kill cops because cops kill.

[globalnerdy.com image 350x514]

You should take your own advice. Don't wait on others. Pick up the nearest gun and charge a police station. Be an Hero to us all.


The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure.

Interesting to see how often keyboard kommandoes omit the bolded word in that quotation. It's like they believe their freedom and actions should be costless to themselves.
 
2012-12-09 11:27:40 AM  
If the cop splattered her blood all over the merchandise, does the cop have to pay for it? Because clearly the merchandise is much more important than a human life in these instances.
 
2012-12-09 11:27:46 AM  

BronyMedic: filter: In the civilized world, this is considered murder.

A human life for a property crime? Maybe in Saudi Arabia.

Uh, what? The guy didn't shoot her for driving away with property. TFA indicates he shot her because he was being dragged by the vehicle when he tried to stop her from driving off, after she slugged him. If you drag a cop, you're probably going to get shot by him.


Was this a uniformed cop?
 
2012-12-09 11:28:43 AM  

BravadoGT: One more thing--she was already on probation for shoplifting...from Walmart! As part of her probation, she wasn't even allowed to be in a Walmart...

Here's a pic of the delicate little flower...


Well that's it then. One count of being in a Wal*Mart without permission. Death penalty!
 
2012-12-09 11:28:52 AM  

filter: Was this a uniformed cop?


Yeah. I've linked several articles in the thread which state he was wearing his full Sheriff's uniform, with permission from his department. There was no mistaking him for a rent-a-cop.
 
2012-12-09 11:28:58 AM  
Fact: all cops are in fear for their lives, which means that they feel that their actions are justified at all times.
 
2012-12-09 11:29:05 AM  

Cubicle Jockey: titwrench: She is no victim. She decided to commit a crime as soon as she carried out that crime she ceased to be a victim.

That's...that's nownot how the definition of victim works.


ftfm
 
2012-12-09 11:29:05 AM  
The suspects were black which makes it a "good" kill.
 
2012-12-09 11:29:12 AM  

BronyMedic: You're assuming a hell of a lot that isn't mentioned in ANY article I've seen. I've read five so far.


So.... welcome to Fark?

Actually, I would like to see where the bullet travel path(s) is. Are there bullet holes in the rear of the vehicle? Did he shoot point blank while still next to the vehicle? How many shots were fired? and so on

/awaiting followup thread
 
2012-12-09 11:30:28 AM  

CreamFilling: BlackMtnMan: I'm still trying to find the dammm kids. WTF?

Presumably subby was talking about the other two shoplifters, ages 27 and 38. Not that it would surprise me if they actually did bring kids along. They would probably make you look less suspicious as a shoplifter or you might think they'd afford you a little leniency. Or maybe you just can't find a babysitter.



Or maybe they can be your mules since the children won't get arrested.
 
2012-12-09 11:30:36 AM  

Wulfman: Fact: all cops are in fear for their lives, which means that they feel that their actions are justified at all times.


And everyone they encounter is a liar, drunk, druggie and a criminal.
 
2012-12-09 11:30:49 AM  
This could have all been avoided if these three women didn't try to steal anything. This wasn't some law breaking that you can do accidentally, it took intent, and then they even ignored the cops that tried to stop them. There many points in this situation where they could have stopped their actions and one of them would still be alive.

Obviously they aren't keen to holding to the social contract. Their removal from society will not be detrimental to anyone.
 
2012-12-09 11:31:22 AM  

Rich Cream: CreamFilling: BlackMtnMan: I'm still trying to find the dammm kids. WTF?

Presumably subby was talking about the other two shoplifters, ages 27 and 38. Not that it would surprise me if they actually did bring kids along. They would probably make you look less suspicious as a shoplifter or you might think they'd afford you a little leniency. Or maybe you just can't find a babysitter.


Or maybe they can be your mules since the children won't get arrested.


Overwatch. You equip them with some Tec9s, or some Glock 19s they hold sideways, and they can cover you while you run holding your pants up. But only if Chuck Norris is chasing you while "The Eyes of Texas Are Upon You" plays in the background.
 
2012-12-09 11:32:33 AM  
Let's see -- a convicted shoplifter, in the store she was banned from... SHOPLIFTING. Runs over a cop trying to escape after stealing.

Yes, I'm going to go ahead and say that nothing of value was lost in this person being killed. Perhaps she should have followed the law and not stolen (again) Perhaps when a uniformed police officer asks you to stop you don't run him over with your car.

I don't know about you guys - but if you were being run over (and perhaps killed) you'd do everything you could to survive. Who was in the wrong first? The guy trying to do his job and stopping shop lifters... or the ghetto convicted felon?

This was a human piece of garbage who had she gotten away would just do it over and over again. (as she's already proven) It's surprising to me that there are people out there who defend and sometimes endorse this sort of behavior.

Why is it so hard to comprehend that if you lie/cheat/steal/and try to run over police officers - you pretty much deserve whatever you get. A bullet to the face means that shoplifting crime in the future goes down by 1. Society wins.

The next step in this saga is for Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson to pop out of the woodwork and go on and on about how the kids deserve 80 billion dollars because their black mom got caught and paid the ultimate price for her crime. As a side question - I'd love to know why ghetto black people think that the fact they are black gives them the right to break the law with little to no consequence. The fact she's black only does one thing: re-enforce the stereotype. (they exist for a reason you know)

Black, white, yellow, purple - you deserve the same thing. The cop did a good job. Before anyone says "oh the poor kids" well if their mom cared about them in the slightest she'd stop spending so much money on makeup and stop stealing from Walmart.

Call me whatever you like - but I'd love to see more endings like this, after a few months when would be criminals realize: "crap I might die if I steal that DVD or rob that guy" -- crime would decrease at the same time we could purge an undesired element from the realm of the living.
 
2012-12-09 11:32:42 AM  

BravadoGT: ... the officer... Cops... the cop... the cop... no one's going to give much of a second thought about blessing a shooting under those circumstances.


Let's be honest here.
 
2012-12-09 11:34:33 AM  

BronyMedic: Rich Cream: By all means then, shoot her dead for petty larceny.

KellyKellyKelly: So clearly, she deserves death. Right.

The article seems to indicate she was shot because she tried to drive off and drug the guy with her, not because she stole something. Which if that's the case, IS legal grounds for using lethal force.


How come cops are the only people who get drug along with cars? I almost never hear of it happening to others. I think if the cop is responsible for escalating the situation unnecessarily, then perhaps lethal force is not called for. IDK.

However, because I am disagreeing with you, I'm not calling you a freaking moron or a boot licker. I want to be clear on that, because last time I did, I apparently hurt someones feelings and got a vacation for it. I know you wouldnt be that wussified, but someone was, and I want to make it clear that I am not disparaging you in any way, because I certainly wouldnt want some pussy whining about it.
 
2012-12-09 11:35:04 AM  

Zeno-25: Newsflash: vehicular assault on a police officer is considered an attempt on an officer's life and gets people shot all the time.

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Newsflash. The woman he shot and killed was a passenger in the car. The woman he shot and killed was not the driver. The woman he shot and killed was not the one that hit him in front of Walmart. Please continue to tell me how this "cop" was so afraidfor his life that it's totes ok for him to just randomly fire off his weapon killing the passenger of a car in Walmart Parking lot.
 
2012-12-09 11:36:04 AM  

Digital Communist: Letting cops act as mercenaries in the private sector is a recipe for disaster, for so many reasons.



Forget the fascism aspect of it, how about the You Didn't Train That aspect. Public money used to train a stormtrooper for Wal-Mart; the retail front end of the Chinese Communist Empire.
 
2012-12-09 11:38:32 AM  

Madbassist1: How come cops are the only people who get drug along with cars? I almost never hear of it happening to others. I think if the cop is responsible for escalating the situation unnecessarily, then perhaps lethal force is not called for. IDK.


I'm pretty sure that if you had a CCW, or an Armed Security Permit, and someone was maliciously dragging you down the road or trying to run you over, then it would be a justified use of lethal force for you too.

However, in this case, he was a uniformed police officer, there with official permission of his department, attempting to detain a suspect who then escalated the situation by trying to drive off with him in the way. Were she turning and he knocked down and unable to move out of the way, she could have backed over him, and at the point he thought that was her intention, it's the same as if she put a gun in his face.

Madbassist1: However, because I am disagreeing with you, I'm not calling you a freaking moron or a boot licker. I want to be clear on that, because last time I did, I apparently hurt someones feelings and got a vacation for it. I know you wouldnt be that wussified, but someone was, and I want to make it clear that I am not disparaging you in any way, because I certainly wouldnt want some pussy whining about it.


No. You're welcome to disagree with me in some manner that does not insult my race, sexuality, or saturday morning entertainment choices. I take you seriously when you do none of the above.
 
2012-12-09 11:38:32 AM  
 
2012-12-09 11:38:46 AM  

Cubicle Jockey: titwrench: She is no victim. She decided to commit a crime as soon as she carried out that crime she ceased to be a victim.

That's...that's now how the definition of victim works.


Way to pull half of what I said and remove the context of the statement. I am not writing a dictionary I am pointing out that calling her a victim for being killed during the commission of a crime is insulting to anyone with even the slightest bit of intelligence. Gabrielle Gifford is a victim, the innocent people killed in the Aurora movie theater shooting are victims. Bonnie and Clyde? Not victims. Had she surrendered and been thrown in hail would you still call her a victim? It would still be the consequence of her actions. She was a criminal plain and simple and sadly someone is now less one daughter, a sister a mom whatever because she chose to commit the crime but she is no victim.
 
2012-12-09 11:38:58 AM  

accelerus: Let's see -- a convicted shoplifter, in the store she was banned from... SHOPLIFTING. Runs over a cop trying to escape after stealing.

Yes, I'm going to go ahead and say that nothing of value was lost in this person being killed. Perhaps she should have followed the law and not stolen (again) Perhaps when a uniformed police officer asks you to stop you don't run him over with your car.

I don't know about you guys - but if you were being run over (and perhaps killed) you'd do everything you could to survive. Who was in the wrong first? The guy trying to do his job and stopping shop lifters... or the ghetto convicted felon?

This was a human piece of garbage who had she gotten away would just do it over and over again. (as she's already proven) It's surprising to me that there are people out there who defend and sometimes endorse this sort of behavior.

Why is it so hard to comprehend that if you lie/cheat/steal/and try to run over police officers - you pretty much deserve whatever you get. A bullet to the face means that shoplifting crime in the future goes down by 1. Society wins.

The next step in this saga is for Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson to pop out of the woodwork and go on and on about how the kids deserve 80 billion dollars because their black mom got caught and paid the ultimate price for her crime. As a side question - I'd love to know why ghetto black people think that the fact they are black gives them the right to break the law with little to no consequence. The fact she's black only does one thing: re-enforce the stereotype. (they exist for a reason you know)

Black, white, yellow, purple - you deserve the same thing. The cop did a good job. Before anyone says "oh the poor kids" well if their mom cared about them in the slightest she'd stop spending so much money on makeup and stop stealing from Walmart.

Call me whatever you like - but I'd love to see more endings like this, after a few months when would be criminals realize: "crap I might die if I steal that DVD or rob that guy" -- crime would decrease at the same time we could purge an undesired element from the realm of the living.


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2012-12-09 11:38:59 AM  

Apik0r0s: Public money used to train a stormtrooper for Wal-Mart


Whoa, he actually hit and killed someone. Obviously not a Stormtrooper.
 
2012-12-09 11:39:06 AM  

BravadoGT: One more thing--she was already on probation for shoplifting...from Walmart! As part of her probation, she wasn't even allowed to be in a Walmart...

Here's a pic of the delicate little flower...

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Having a record and looking frighteningly urban to white people makes it okay that she's dead over a misdemeanor.
 
2012-12-09 11:39:49 AM  

Apik0r0s: Forget the fascism aspect of it, how about the You Didn't Train That aspect. Public money used to train a stormtrooper for Wal-Mart; the retail front end of the Chinese Communist Empire.


Except that's not what goes on. The department agrees to put him there off duty, as long as the store pays for his costs. It's the same thing large churches do on Sunday to get cops directing traffic, and private schools do to get an officer on campus during the daytime.
 
2012-12-09 11:40:05 AM  

Cubicle Jockey: Mr. Carpenter: Off duty cop, he's a mall cop now

He was apparently in his service uniform however.

How does that work? You are an official police officer paid by Walmart directly?


He's not a mall cop, he's a police officer. On regular duty, on overtime, on special duty at WalMart, or asleep in his bed, he's a police officer.

As for pay, I'm unfamiliar with this particular Texas county and their pay proceedures. In my city, it works this way: A local club wants a cop as security for the night, so they call the police department. The PD quotes them an hourly rate (I'd assume 1.5 x top step pay + pension costs), and then the PD assigns the overtime based on internal proceedures. The officer is paid in his regular paycheck from the city, and the city is paid by the club.
 
2012-12-09 11:41:14 AM  

BronyMedic: filter: In the civilized world, this is considered murder.

A human life for a property crime? Maybe in Saudi Arabia.

Uh, what? The guy didn't shoot her for driving away with property. TFA indicates he shot her because he was being dragged by the vehicle when he tried to stop her from driving off, after she slugged him. If you drag a cop, you're probably going to get shot by him.


So the cop put himself in a position of danger for some property? And someone was murdered.

Seems legit.
 
2012-12-09 11:41:42 AM  

lizyrd: He's not a mall cop, he's a police officer. On regular duty, on overtime, on special duty at WalMart, or asleep in his bed, he's a police officer.


THIS.

While police departments, for the most part, discourage their officers from acting as such while off duty, they are still police officers when in their jurisdiction, and can still execute arrests when they witness a crime.
 
2012-12-09 11:41:42 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Basically his choice was to let go of the car or execute the driver, and he chose execution.


Except that he didn't execute the driver. I honestly don't see how people are missing this. THE WOMAN HE SHOT AND KILLED WAS NOT THE SAME WOMAN THAT HIT HIM WITH HER PURSE. THE WOMAN HE SHOT AND KILLED WAS NOT THE DRIVER OF THE CAR, SHE WAS A PASSENGER.
 
2012-12-09 11:42:35 AM  

BronyMedic: Madbassist1: How come cops are the only people who get drug along with cars? I almost never hear of it happening to others. I think if the cop is responsible for escalating the situation unnecessarily, then perhaps lethal force is not called for. IDK.

I'm pretty sure that if you had a CCW, or an Armed Security Permit, and someone was maliciously dragging you down the road or trying to run you over, then it would be a justified use of lethal force for you too.

However, in this case, he was a uniformed police officer, there with official permission of his department, attempting to detain a suspect who then escalated the situation by trying to drive off with him in the way. Were she turning and he knocked down and unable to move out of the way, she could have backed over him, and at the point he thought that was her intention, it's the same as if she put a gun in his face.

Madbassist1: However, because I am disagreeing with you, I'm not calling you a freaking moron or a boot licker. I want to be clear on that, because last time I did, I apparently hurt someones feelings and got a vacation for it. I know you wouldnt be that wussified, but someone was, and I want to make it clear that I am not disparaging you in any way, because I certainly wouldnt want some pussy whining about it.

No. You're welcome to disagree with me in some manner that does not insult my race, sexuality, or saturday morning entertainment choices. I take you seriously when you do none of the above.


The perp didnt escalate the situation, he did by pursuing a petty theft suspect. He then killed a person who in no way was threatening him. All over a freaking misdemeanor.

No. You're welcome to disagree with me in some manner that does not insult my race, sexuality, or saturday morning entertainment choices. I take you seriously when you do none of the above.

Yes, but not, apparently, when someone makes you look like an idiot. That tends to get on your nerves.
 
2012-12-09 11:42:38 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: So the cop put himself in a position of danger for some property? And someone was murdered.

Seems legit.


I'm trying to follow your logic here. No cop should put himself in the line of harm to apprehend a suspect who refuses to follow a lawful order from a clearly identified police officer, because they might end up having to shoot that suspect when they escalate to using lethal force to try to escape from arrest?
 
2012-12-09 11:43:03 AM  
Even though there was no mention of race in the article, I knew she was black. Does that make me racist or just cynical?
 
2012-12-09 11:44:11 AM  

Madbassist1: How come cops are the only people who get drug along with cars? I almost never hear of it happening to others.


Because, by and large, they are aggressive, angry drunks and wife beaters who feel that they are at odds with all of society and insta-rage on anything that gives them the smallest possible reason to. Nothing like a roid-rager to escalate an otherwise minor situation. One of the keys they look for in cop psych evals is Social Dissonance - an indication the the candidate feels all of society is sick and wrong, he being the only beacon of hope, light and goodness in a universe of impenetrable blackness. They want those people, they are chomping at the bit to bully the populace and likely not to break the blue wall of silence.

/used to fark a cop's wife while he was out intimidating blacks
//he beat her up three times I know of and crickets from local, county and state
///she lives with relatives now, off the grid out of fear
 
2012-12-09 11:44:34 AM  

BronyMedic: While police departments, for the most part, discourage their officers from acting as such while off duty, they are still police officers when in their jurisdiction, and can still execute arrests shoplifters when they witness a crime.


ftfy
 
2012-12-09 11:44:52 AM  

Madbassist1: How come cops are the only people who get drug along with cars?



Most people don't put themselves in the position of being next to a running car while interrogating a likely hostile person.
 
2012-12-09 11:45:20 AM  

ox45tallboy: teaching her that smacking a cop with your purse is unacceptable to these gang members, and you will pay dearly with extreme force and malice. behavior in civilized society


fixed
 
2012-12-09 11:45:45 AM  

BronyMedic: StoPPeRmobile: So the cop put himself in a position of danger for some property? And someone was murdered.

Seems legit.

I'm trying to follow your logic here. No cop should put himself in the line of harm to apprehend a suspect who refuses to follow a lawful order from a clearly identified police officer, because they might end up having to shoot that suspect when they escalate to using lethal force to try to escape from arrest?


The police should always shoot shoplifters that are escaping, because the merchandise is far more important than human life.
 
2012-12-09 11:46:20 AM  

Madbassist1: Yes, but not, apparently, when someone makes you look like an idiot. That tends to get on your nerves.


No. I believe what got you a vacation was inferring that I'm a "fag who likes to slurp cop dick" repeatedly in a thread. Credit where credit is due. If this is the reason someone else got a vacation, and not you, I apologize for my confusion. I don't really pay attention to people who pull pathetic ad hominem. Apparantly the mods do, however.

Madbassist1: The perp didnt escalate the situation, he did by pursuing a petty theft suspect. He then killed a person who in no way was threatening him. All over a freaking misdemeanor.


Which really doesn't matter. Do you know why? He was acting as a Law Enforcement officer at the time, not a rent-a-cop. He was fully identifiable as a Sheriff Deputy. He gave a lawful order to stop, and she didn't. Instead, she smacked him upside the head with her purse, and ran to her car. When he followed her, FTFA, he tried to get her out of the car, at which point she put the car in gear, and gunned it. He thought he was going to be run over or dragged. That most certainly is justifiable lethal force, even for a non-cop. Her decisions got her shot, not the "cop pursuing a suspect."
 
2012-12-09 11:46:29 AM  

Madbassist1: How come cops are the only people who get drug along with cars? I almost never hear of it happening to others.


I always thought it was only drunk midwestern girls, who wear their old ill-fitting prom dress every time they go out on the town, who get dragged by cars. Then again, the only place I've noticed a trend of people being dragged by cars is West Hollywood, so my perception might be a little provincial.
 
2012-12-09 11:46:37 AM  

BronyMedic: Apik0r0s: Forget the fascism aspect of it, how about the You Didn't Train That aspect. Public money used to train a stormtrooper for Wal-Mart; the retail front end of the Chinese Communist Empire.

Except that's not what goes on. The department agrees to put him there off duty, as long as the store pays for his costs. It's the same thing large churches do on Sunday to get cops directing traffic, and private schools do to get an officer on campus during the daytime.


Otherwise known as the use of public resources for Private enterprise.

And fark churches, they don't pay taxes. The only time they should get a cop is when they show up to burn their cult compund to the ground.
 
2012-12-09 11:47:43 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: The police should always shoot shoplifters that are escaping, because the merchandise is far more important than human lifePeople who are trying to run them the fark over..


Fixed that for you. Honest mistake, I'm sure. I bet you didn't RTFA, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
 
2012-12-09 11:48:27 AM  
Two things I will add:

1 ) At this point in our society - I place much less importance on the value of items stolen, and more so the principle of the matter. If she'd have gotten away then what? a few dollars worth of profit off the retailers books? No big deal in the grand scheme of things really. And you can argue easily that a life is worth more than a few dollars. The problem is we have so many people these days that don't want to obey the law, they feel they have a right (based on skin color or whatever else) that it's okay to steal. Multiply this issue by millions of times all over the country and you are looking at a lot of lost value due to people that are little more than sand in the gears of society. Should society just "accept" these crimes and pay higher prices in the end so people like this can get away with it?

2) Anyone else find it a bit funny and or "par for the course" that the group of women who did this got away, they found the car, and the dead woman inside. Says a lot for the classiness and mutual respect in their group if after stealing from walmart, you just ditch your dead or dying friend and run away without trying to help or call police or ambulance people. Just another tidbit that gives you an idea of how good/honest/worthy people like this are.

At the end of the day -- some ghetto piece of trash assaulted an officer with both her purse and her car while committing a crime. Every low brow piece of crap is going to try to defend her actions and say how she was really just a super nice person.

It really is shocking how easy you can get through life when you live within your means, pay your bills, and DON'T commit a string of repeat thefts.
 
2012-12-09 11:48:51 AM  

Apik0r0s: BronyMedic: Apik0r0s: Forget the fascism aspect of it, how about the You Didn't Train That aspect. Public money used to train a stormtrooper for Wal-Mart; the retail front end of the Chinese Communist Empire.

Except that's not what goes on. The department agrees to put him there off duty, as long as the store pays for his costs. It's the same thing large churches do on Sunday to get cops directing traffic, and private schools do to get an officer on campus during the daytime.

Otherwise known as the use of public resources for Private enterprise.

And fark churches, they don't pay taxes. The only time they should get a cop is when they show up to burn their cult compund to the ground.



I want to biatch that the people leaving the lot are given preference over the people already on the road. Damn holier-than-thous.

/hijack
 
2012-12-09 11:48:53 AM  
This thread is packed full of absolutes. They are not to be questioned, debated, or contextualized. USA! USA!

crime → no longer legitimate member of society → disobedience → death
officer of the law → disobedience → fear of life → death
 
2012-12-09 11:49:37 AM  

Apik0r0s: Otherwise known as the use of public resources for Private enterprise.


Not really. Since the police are either off duty, or reserve/volunteer, there is no cost to the taxpayers. In addition, any equipment use and salary/overtime is paid in full by the entity using their services.

Apik0r0s: And fark churches, they don't pay taxes. The only time they should get a cop is when they show up to burn their cult compund to the ground.


Damn, dude. I'm a "militant atheist", and even I found this callous.
 
2012-12-09 11:50:36 AM  

Rich Cream: Madbassist1: How come cops are the only people who get drug along with cars?


Most people don't put themselves in the position of being next to a running car while interrogating a likely hostile person.


sounds like that cop needs to learn to work smarter, not harder.
 
2012-12-09 11:51:16 AM  

CreamFilling: ox45tallboy: Wal-Mart could very well face some liability in a wrongful death suit, especially if it is proven he fired into a vehicle moving away from him.

The vehicle wasn't moving away from him. It was dragging him along with it.


Oh wow, somebody actually RTFA instead of just jumping into the hatewalmartmutualmasturbation orgy like unthinking little twats. Yeah, I'd be in fear of my life too if I was being dragged along by a moving car. Here, let me shed some tears for the dead shoplifter/attempted murderer: sniff. OK, that's out of the way.

Coincidentally, I saw a "mass shoplift" last night at Walmart in Westminster. I'd just left the store and suddenly the electronic door alarm started going nuts. I turned and saw at least 25-30 people quickly leaving, one after the other. The alarm did its thing each time one of them exited. Each person walked quickly (power-walking) in a different direction into the parking lot ("fanning out"), got in their cars and left by different exits. The old Walmart guy at the exit was just standing there staring and shaking his head (seriously, what could he do?). I went back and talked with him; he said they had been alerted that another Walmart had been hit the night before by apparently the same group.
 
2012-12-09 11:52:05 AM  
I have no problem executing shoplifters right on the spot.
 
2012-12-09 11:52:09 AM  

BronyMedic: Marcus Aurelius: The police should always shoot shoplifters that are escaping, because the merchandise is far more important than human lifePeople who are trying to run them the fark over..

Fixed that for you. Honest mistake, I'm sure. I bet you didn't RTFA, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.


The story says he was at the driver's door, not in front of the car.

A cop is just a thug with a badge and a gun and a license to kill.
 
2012-12-09 11:52:25 AM  

BronyMedic: Madbassist1: Yes, but not, apparently, when someone makes you look like an idiot. That tends to get on your nerves.

No. I believe what got you a vacation was inferring that I'm a "fag who likes to slurp cop dick" repeatedly in a thread. Credit where credit is due. If this is the reason someone else got a vacation, and not you, I apologize for my confusion. I don't really pay attention to people who pull pathetic ad hominem. Apparantly the mods do, however.


LOL wow. grow a skin, you wuss.
 
2012-12-09 11:52:46 AM  

Cubicle Jockey: Tazandra: And also the car was actually going in reverse, according to the police report,

There is a discrepancy with regards to this.

FTA: "Additional reports stated that the deputy then opened the door and commanded the driver to stop. Instead of stopping the car, the woman put it in drive, revving forward and dragging the deputy."


If you are only going by the 1 linked in fark then yes, it says it's going forward. However I have read several different reports that also state it was going in reverse. Either way she was driving a car with the door open and an officer hanging onto it...
 
2012-12-09 11:53:07 AM  

BronyMedic: StoPPeRmobile: So the cop put himself in a position of danger for some property? And someone was murdered.

Seems legit.

I'm trying to follow your logic here. No cop should put himself in the line of harm to apprehend a suspect who refuses to follow a lawful order from a clearly identified police officer, because they might end up having to shoot that suspect when they escalate to using lethal force to try to escape from arrest?


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2012-12-09 11:53:36 AM  

LazerFish: Even though there was no mention of race in the article, I knew she was black. Does that make me racist or just cynical?


Racist. Color shouldn't matter.


And as pointed out... The woman killed was the passenger- not the perpetrator.
 
2012-12-09 11:53:50 AM  

accelerus: Two things I will add:

1 ) At this point in our society - I place much less importance on the value of items stolen, and more so the principle of the matter. If she'd have gotten away then what? a few dollars worth of profit off the retailers books? No big deal in the grand scheme of things really. And you can argue easily that a life is worth more than a few dollars. The problem is we have so many people these days that don't want to obey the law, they feel they have a right (based on skin color or whatever else) that it's okay to steal. Multiply this issue by millions of times all over the country and you are looking at a lot of lost value due to people that are little more than sand in the gears of society. Should society just "accept" these crimes and pay higher prices in the end so people like this can get away with it?

2) Anyone else find it a bit funny and or "par for the course" that the group of women who did this got away, they found the car, and the dead woman inside. Says a lot for the classiness and mutual respect in their group if after stealing from walmart, you just ditch your dead or dying friend and run away without trying to help or call police or ambulance people. Just another tidbit that gives you an idea of how good/honest/worthy people like this are.

At the end of the day -- some ghetto piece of trash assaulted an officer with both her purse and her car while committing a crime. Every low brow piece of crap is going to try to defend her actions and say how she was really just a super nice person.

It really is shocking how easy you can get through life when you live within your means, pay your bills, and DON'T commit a string of repeat thefts.


THE WOMAN THAT WAS SHOT AND KILLED WAS NOT THE SAME WOMAN THAT ASSAULTED THE COP, NOR WAS SHE THE DRIVER OF THE CAR. THE WOMAN THAT WAS SHOT AND KILLED WAS A PASSENGER.
 
2012-12-09 11:53:58 AM  

AbbeySomeone: DON.MAC: CreamFilling: ox45tallboy: Wal-Mart could very well face some liability in a wrongful death suit, especially if it is proven he fired into a vehicle moving away from him.

The vehicle wasn't moving away from him. It was dragging him along with it.

That depends on which story you read.

Perhaps if he hadn't attempted to force his way into the vehicle this may not have happened.


gawdd dayum!! I'm pretty left leaning BUT I can;t believe so many of your farkers are actually on the side of the shop lifters!!!

Unless the article was 100% BS, it was clear the cop didn;t just randomly shot at the vehicle! He was obviously very close range, there was an altercation between him and the fools prior to it and while I tend to NOT give the benefit of the doubt to cops in most cases I seriously doubt he just shot for the sake of shooting in this case!!!

All I have to say is nothing of value was lost.
 
2012-12-09 11:54:35 AM  
nice try Trollmitter...

she tried to run him over.
 
2012-12-09 11:54:40 AM  
Woman was not shot for shoplifting (although shoplifters are scum and should be made to work hard labor to pay back everything they've stolen).

She was shot because she thought it would be okay to drag someone with her car and endanger their life. Stupid people do stupid things.

But... this is Fark. The bitter people who have too many speeding/possession/D.C. tickets and can't manage to avoid police contact have to stick up for the thieves. It's sad.
 
2012-12-09 11:54:42 AM  
All the cop hate/shoplifter hate isn't necessary in this situation. Both parties were fully aware of the principle.

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If you chase a criminal, you're in the game.

If you're a thief beating on and fleeing a cop, you're in the game.
 
2012-12-09 11:54:48 AM  
FTA: Instead of stopping the car, the woman put it in drive, revving forward and dragging the deputy. It was then that the deputy fired his weapon as the vehicle sped away

Apparently, subby thinks that a thief attempting to escape in a vehicle dragging subby along as said thief does so is not a threat to his life
 
2012-12-09 11:54:56 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: The story says he was at the driver's door, not in front of the car.


Except that spending two seconds on google would lead you to more articles which indicate that is not the case, and she actually apparently did drag the deputy.

Marcus Aurelius: A cop is just a thug with a badge and a gun and a license to kill.


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2012-12-09 11:55:16 AM  

fusillade762: ox45tallboy: I don't want to go too far into conjecture, but if a woman smacks a cop with her purse, regardless of if she had a good reason, the cop is probably not going to be happy about it, and might decide to chase after her. He's probably not going to let her drive (or get into a car and ride) away without teaching her that smacking a cop with your purse is unacceptable behavior in civilized society. Some cops, depending on the circumstances, might feel that a brief verbal exposition might be sufficient; others might feel that there should be some kind of physical reinforcement to the lesson. Virtually none, however, will let it slide, as this is seen as an affront not merely to the individual cop, but to the badge.

Off-duty cops hired by WalMart wear "the badge"?


It's a mindset, dumbass. You don't switch off your brain when you go to your second job. Human nature. how does it work?
 
2012-12-09 11:55:22 AM  

Mr. Carpenter: THE WOMAN THAT WAS SHOT AND KILLED WAS NOT THE SAME WOMAN THAT ASSAULTED THE COP, NOR WAS SHE THE DRIVER OF THE CAR. THE WOMAN THAT WAS SHOT AND KILLED WAS A PASSENGER.


So, roid raging donut gobbler killed the wrong person? Is there such a thing as the "wrong" person if all 3 are black?
 
2012-12-09 11:55:36 AM  

Madbassist1: LOL wow. grow a skin, you wuss.


Don't be a pathetic troll, bro.
 
2012-12-09 11:55:39 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: A cop is just a thug with a badge and a gun and a license to kill.


I knew quite a few cops that would disagree with you... strongly.

 
2012-12-09 11:57:20 AM  

Fista-Phobia: This thread is packed full of absolutes. They are not to be questioned, debated, or contextualized. USA! USA!

crime → no longer legitimate member of society → disobedience → death
officer of the law → disobedience → fear of life → death


Put down the pipe. Slowly.
 
2012-12-09 11:57:33 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: FTA: Instead of stopping the car, the woman put it in drive, revving forward and dragging the deputy. It was then that the deputy fired his weapon as the vehicle sped away

Apparently, subby thinks that a thief attempting to escape in a vehicle dragging subby along as said thief does so is not a threat to his life


Did this car have suicide doors? How does it move forward and drag a person in the door area?
 
2012-12-09 11:57:37 AM  

tukatz: Woman was not shot for shoplifting (although shoplifters are scum and should be made to work hard labor to pay back everything they've stolen).

She was shot because she thought it would be okay to drag someone with her car and endanger their life. Stupid people do stupid things.

But... this is Fark. The bitter people who have too many speeding/possession/D.C. tickets and can't manage to avoid police contact have to stick up for the thieves. It's sad.


The woman that was shot and killed was not the same woman that hit him with her purse, nor was she the driver of the car. He shot and killed a passenger.
 
2012-12-09 11:58:29 AM  

burning_bridge: BravadoGT: One more thing--she was already on probation for shoplifting...from Walmart! As part of her probation, she wasn't even allowed to be in a Walmart...

Here's a pic of the delicate little flower...

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Having a record and looking frighteningly urban to white people makes it okay that she's dead over a misdemeanor.


Wow, you really summed it up! All us white people are terrified if people life her and a are do happy she's dead. And it couldn't be she's dead because she refused to follow the instructions given to get by a law enforcement officer or that she tried to injure our kill said officer by dragging him with get car.

Usually I'm not in Tyne side of the police, as I get tired of hearing about the over use of force. However, this isn't one of those times, this lady committed a crime, tried to glee when caught and in the process and put an citizen's life in jeopardy due to get own actions and decisions. She's dead because she was an idiot.
 
2012-12-09 11:58:59 AM  
Funny how it is always the Fark Independent bootstrap personal responsibility less Government crowd that always shows up to lick the boots of authority and crow over a dead minority.
 
2012-12-09 11:59:33 AM  

Mr. Carpenter: tukatz: Woman was not shot for shoplifting (although shoplifters are scum and should be made to work hard labor to pay back everything they've stolen).

She was shot because she thought it would be okay to drag someone with her car and endanger their life. Stupid people do stupid things.

But... this is Fark. The bitter people who have too many speeding/possession/D.C. tickets and can't manage to avoid police contact have to stick up for the thieves. It's sad.

The woman that was shot and killed was not the same woman that hit him with her purse, nor was she the driver of the car. He shot and killed a passenger.


Parties to a crime are just as responsible for their actions of their partners as had they committed the act themselves.
 
2012-12-09 11:59:43 AM  

Mr. Carpenter: The woman that was shot and killed was not the same woman that hit him with her purse, nor was she the driver of the car. He shot and killed a passenger.


This article disagrees with that statement.
So does this one.
 
2012-12-09 12:00:24 PM  
And nothing of value was lost.
 
2012-12-09 12:00:32 PM  

Mr. Carpenter: accelerus: Two things I will add:

1 ) At this point in our society - I place much less importance on the value of items stolen, and more so the principle of the matter. If she'd have gotten away then what? a few dollars worth of profit off the retailers books? No big deal in the grand scheme of things really. And you can argue easily that a life is worth more than a few dollars. The problem is we have so many people these days that don't want to obey the law, they feel they have a right (based on skin color or whatever else) that it's okay to steal. Multiply this issue by millions of times all over the country and you are looking at a lot of lost value due to people that are little more than sand in the gears of society. Should society just "accept" these crimes and pay higher prices in the end so people like this can get away with it?

2) Anyone else find it a bit funny and or "par for the course" that the group of women who did this got away, they found the car, and the dead woman inside. Says a lot for the classiness and mutual respect in their group if after stealing from walmart, you just ditch your dead or dying friend and run away without trying to help or call police or ambulance people. Just another tidbit that gives you an idea of how good/honest/worthy people like this are.

At the end of the day -- some ghetto piece of trash assaulted an officer with both her purse and her car while committing a crime. Every low brow piece of crap is going to try to defend her actions and say how she was really just a super nice person.

It really is shocking how easy you can get through life when you live within your means, pay your bills, and DON'T commit a string of repeat thefts.

THE WOMAN THAT WAS SHOT AND KILLED WAS NOT THE SAME WOMAN THAT ASSAULTED THE COP, NOR WAS SHE THE DRIVER OF THE CAR. THE WOMAN THAT WAS SHOT AND KILLED WAS A PASSENGER.


Maybe she shouldn't be shoplifting with the piece of sh_t who assaulted the cop and tried to hit him with her car. You will be amazed at how much safer and nicer your life is when you don't go on crime sprees with those type of people.
 
2012-12-09 12:00:39 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: CreamFilling: ox45tallboy: Wal-Mart could very well face some liability in a wrongful death suit, especially if it is proven he fired into a vehicle moving away from him.

The vehicle wasn't moving away from him. It was dragging him along with it.

Oh wow, somebody actually RTFA...>

Only CreamFilling didn't comprehend what he was reading if that's what he took from TFA, which clearly states that

1) the deputy opened the car door and stepped between the door and the car seat to confront the driver
2) the driver put the car in a forward gear and drove AWAY from the deputy

Ergo, the only way for the car to drag the deputy was for him to be handing onto the door or the b-pillar.

Finally, the deputy shot and killed the PASSENGER of the car, not the driver.

Wal-Mart and the Harris county sheriff department will be paying big bucks in the civil lawsuit.

 
MFK
2012-12-09 12:00:52 PM  

BronyMedic: MFK: Ooba Tooba: Lots of trolling here. Don't hit, and drag a police officer. Bad things will happen. Did they not know this? One less thug.

I don't suppose it's occurred to you that the "bad things will happen" could actually be the problem?

Or the problem could be that the woman tried to mow down a cop with her car.

The officer was in his Sheriff Department uniform and clearly identified as law enforcement, not as a private security guard. In addition, he was knocked off his feet, and felt like he was in danger of being ran over by the tires.


From the links you posted:

1st link: But when he approached the women in the parking lot, the driver hit the gas, almost dragging the deputy who was at the door of the vehicle. That's when the deputy fired.

2nd link: "I think it knocked him off balance and, in fear of his life and being ran over, he discharged his weapon at that point," said Thomas Gilliland, Harris County Sheriff's Office.

fearing for his life my ass. This is obviously a case of "biatch didn't listen" and he's trying to cover his ass with "I was in fear for my life by being almost knocked off balance somehow"
 
2012-12-09 12:00:59 PM  

tukatz: Fista-Phobia: This thread is packed full of absolutes. They are not to be questioned, debated, or contextualized. USA! USA!

crime → no longer legitimate member of society → disobedience → death
officer of the law → disobedience → fear of life → death

Put down the pipe. Slowly.


Exactly.
 
2012-12-09 12:01:40 PM  
Fell for it again. That chick ain't hot.


/oh, shot? nvm
 
2012-12-09 12:01:41 PM  

Madbassist1: LOL wow. grow a skin, you wuss.


Wait.

Wait, wait wait.

I just realized how pathetic this is, dude.

You're mad at me because you childishly broke the FArQ, and then got a time-out for it?

That's sad. I get them all the time, and I never call someone out for it. In violation of the FArQ. Wow.

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2012-12-09 12:02:13 PM  
Reading the facts of this case....and not the usual White Guilt Liberal spin....sounds like this LEO had every right to shoot....especially being dragged along.

But, I am sure the usual assortment of White Guilt Liberals, Criminal Rights NutJobs, and Gun Control Fascists will try to make this cops life miserable for awhile....even though he was trying to stop Three Habitual Criminals.

Oh, and the fathers comments are precious. What, is this Tracy Martin?
 
2012-12-09 12:02:28 PM  

Apik0r0s: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: FTA: Instead of stopping the car, the woman put it in drive, revving forward and dragging the deputy. It was then that the deputy fired his weapon as the vehicle sped away

Apparently, subby thinks that a thief attempting to escape in a vehicle dragging subby along as said thief does so is not a threat to his life

Did this car have suicide doors? How does it move forward and drag a person in the door area?


She was in reverse. That's how you normally get out of parking spots. One of the articles mentioned this little tidbit of information.
 
2012-12-09 12:02:32 PM  

AbbeySomeone: DON.MAC: CreamFilling: ox45tallboy: Wal-Mart could very well face some liability in a wrongful death suit, especially if it is proven he fired into a vehicle moving away from him.

The vehicle wasn't moving away from him. It was dragging him along with it.

That depends on which story you read.

Perhaps if he hadn't attempted to force his way into the vehicle this may not have happened.


Maybe if she had listened to a law enforcement officer with a gun this may not have happened. Or didn't steal-that would be a good place to start.
 
2012-12-09 12:03:30 PM  

BravadoGT: Mr. Carpenter: tukatz: Woman was not shot for shoplifting (although shoplifters are scum and should be made to work hard labor to pay back everything they've stolen).

She was shot because she thought it would be okay to drag someone with her car and endanger their life. Stupid people do stupid things.

But... this is Fark. The bitter people who have too many speeding/possession/D.C. tickets and can't manage to avoid police contact have to stick up for the thieves. It's sad.

The woman that was shot and killed was not the same woman that hit him with her purse, nor was she the driver of the car. He shot and killed a passenger.

Parties to a crime are just as responsible for their actions of their partners as had they committed the act themselves.


I'm sorry I completely ruined this moronic narrative you have going on. But exactly which bizzaro world did you get your GED in law in?

God I hope the next cab you step foot in gets lit up by the cops because the driver was smuggling narcotics, then we can all talk about what a massive felon you were and obviously deserved to die.
 
2012-12-09 12:03:34 PM  

MFK: fearing for his life my ass. This is obviously a case of "biatch didn't listen" and he's trying to cover his ass with "I was in fear for my life by being almost knocked off balance somehow"


And your evidence for this is two different news agencies publishing two different articles at two different times?
 
2012-12-09 12:03:48 PM  
Subby, I'll dump on dumb cops anytime but this incident is not as you headlined it. Not nice.
 
2012-12-09 12:04:02 PM  

BravadoGT: Theaetetus: BravadoGT: Theaetetus: BravadoGT: Reading this from Lubbock Online-It sounds like a good shooting:

HOUSTON

Authorities are investigating the fatal shooting of a suspected shoplifter by a sheriff's deputy during a confrontation outside a Houston-area Wal-Mart store.

Officials say Harris County sheriff's Deputy Louis Campbell confronted several female suspects suspected of stealing from the store Thursday evening.

Sheriff's spokesman Thomas Gilliland says Campbell chased one of the suspects after she hit him. The woman then entered a car. Gilliland says that when Campbell opened the car's door, the vehicle accelerated. The deputy was standing between the car door and driver's seat and, fearing for his life, fired his weapon.

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What a person standing between a car door and driver's seat may look like.

I don't think he's in danger unless the car is going backwards.

Right, because there's no way once the car starts moving and knocks him balance, he could fall under the rear wheels....

Gosh, you're right... I hadn't thought of that. Mind you, that could happen any time anyone is standing near a car, so therefore, we're justified in shooting the driver if we're within 5 feet while they're moving.

If you're a police officer in the lawful exercise of your duty and have given the individual a lawful order to stop, and that individual has refused and as a consequence-placed your life in danger. Then yes, you are justified.

I'm not giving you my opinion, I'm just telling you how the law reads (at least in my state, which I would bet is very similar to Texas in this respect).


Wow your so full of shiat your eyesocket just farted. You have no knowledge of Texas law, don't even bother looking Texas law up and yet you still feel your baseless opinion is correct. Why is you opinion correct? Show proof or shut your stink hole. All of them. No one wants to know how the only thing that makes you hard is a hand full of viagra and cops.
 
2012-12-09 12:04:05 PM  

Apik0r0s: Did this car have suicide doors? How does it move forward and drag a person in the door area?


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Warning: GIS for "dragged by car" not safe for breakfast.
 
2012-12-09 12:05:11 PM  

Apik0r0s: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: FTA: Instead of stopping the car, the woman put it in drive, revving forward and dragging the deputy. It was then that the deputy fired his weapon as the vehicle sped away

Apparently, subby thinks that a thief attempting to escape in a vehicle dragging subby along as said thief does so is not a threat to his life

Did this car have suicide doors? How does it move forward and drag a person in the door area?


Because the cop didn't want to let go of a suspect that was trying to get away.
 
2012-12-09 12:05:29 PM  

edmo: Subby, I'll dump on dumb cops anytime but this incident is not as you headlined it. Not nice.


I hope subby brought a bigger boat. The only thing that could have trolled people more could have been something about Gay Atheists and their War on Christmas, brought to you by Fox News.
 
2012-12-09 12:05:53 PM  

BronyMedic: Marcus Aurelius: The story says he was at the driver's door, not in front of the car.

Except that spending two seconds on google would lead you to more articles which indicate that is not the case, and she actually apparently did drag the deputy.

Marcus Aurelius: A cop is just a thug with a badge and a gun and a license to kill.

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Here is a good story on typical cop behavior.

Or how about the time the police burned down an entire city block in Philadelphia?

I won't bother to post the endless stories of cops shooting hundreds of rounds into an unarmed "suspect"'s car.

I could go on ALL DAY.
 
2012-12-09 12:06:38 PM  

Big_Doofus: Apik0r0s: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: FTA: Instead of stopping the car, the woman put it in drive, revving forward and dragging the deputy. It was then that the deputy fired his weapon as the vehicle sped away

Apparently, subby thinks that a thief attempting to escape in a vehicle dragging subby along as said thief does so is not a threat to his life

Did this car have suicide doors? How does it move forward and drag a person in the door area?

She was in reverse. That's how you normally get out of parking spots. One of the articles mentioned this little tidbit of information.

 
2012-12-09 12:06:56 PM  

Godscrack: Via Infinito: thamike: I think you may have left something out, subby.

Yeah, maybe the part about the cop getting dragged as the car sped away.

The cop should have thought of the consequences before holding on, trying to be another Christmas hero.


The shoplifter should have thought of the consequences before putting the car in gear and trying to kill a cop.
 
2012-12-09 12:07:22 PM  

BronyMedic: Marcus Aurelius: The story says he was at the driver's door, not in front of the car.

Except that spending two seconds on google would lead you to more articles which indicate that is not the case, and she actually apparently did drag the deputy.


When you start off a sentence with "except," then the rest of the sentence has to contradict what you're replying to. Your links about whether or not he was allegedly dragged don't actually change the fact that he was at the driver's door, not in front of the car. In fact, one link says:
He opened her door and commanded her to stop, but she would not give up.
The woman allegedly put the car in drive and revved forward, dragging the deputy.

Thus, whether or not he was "dragged", he was decidedly not "in front of the car".
 
2012-12-09 12:07:37 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: So many good little boot lickers in these threads, it's pretty sad.


So many bad ass little internet tough guys as well, it's also sad.
 
2012-12-09 12:07:43 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Here is a good story on typical cop behavior.

Or how about the time the police burned down an entire city block in Philadelphia?

I won't bother to post the endless stories of cops shooting hundreds of rounds into an unarmed "suspect"'s car.

I could go on ALL DAY.


And this is relevant to this situation how, exactly? Uh, was this guy involved in any of those incidents you listed? Am I defending anyone involved in any of those?

Answer Key:
1) It's not.
2) No.
3) Nope.

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2012-12-09 12:08:02 PM  

Rich Cream: Big_Doofus: Apik0r0s: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: FTA: Instead of stopping the car, the woman put it in drive, revving forward and dragging the deputy. It was then that the deputy fired his weapon as the vehicle sped away

Apparently, subby thinks that a thief attempting to escape in a vehicle dragging subby along as said thief does so is not a threat to his life

Did this car have suicide doors? How does it move forward and drag a person in the door area?

She was in reverse. That's how you normally get out of parking spots. One of the articles mentioned this little tidbit of information.


Ah, the old reversey-forward.
 
2012-12-09 12:08:21 PM  

Rozotorical: BravadoGT: Theaetetus: BravadoGT: Theaetetus: BravadoGT: Reading this from Lubbock Online-It sounds like a good shooting:

HOUSTON

Authorities are investigating the fatal shooting of a suspected shoplifter by a sheriff's deputy during a confrontation outside a Houston-area Wal-Mart store.

Officials say Harris County sheriff's Deputy Louis Campbell confronted several female suspects suspected of stealing from the store Thursday evening.

Sheriff's spokesman Thomas Gilliland says Campbell chased one of the suspects after she hit him. The woman then entered a car. Gilliland says that when Campbell opened the car's door, the vehicle accelerated. The deputy was standing between the car door and driver's seat and, fearing for his life, fired his weapon.

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What a person standing between a car door and driver's seat may look like.

I don't think he's in danger unless the car is going backwards.

Right, because there's no way once the car starts moving and knocks him balance, he could fall under the rear wheels....

Gosh, you're right... I hadn't thought of that. Mind you, that could happen any time anyone is standing near a car, so therefore, we're justified in shooting the driver if we're within 5 feet while they're moving.

If you're a police officer in the lawful exercise of your duty and have given the individual a lawful order to stop, and that individual has refused and as a consequence-placed your life in danger. Then yes, you are justified.

I'm not giving you my opinion, I'm just telling you how the law reads (at least in my state, which I would bet is very similar to Texas in this respect).

Wow your so full of shiat your eyesocket just farted. You have no knowledge of Texas law, don't even bother looking Texas law up and yet you still feel your baseless opinion is correct. Why is you opinion correct? Show proof or shut your stink hole. All of them. No one wants to know how the only thing that makes you hard is a hand full ...


I know Georgia Law, and I'm reasonably certain Texas' caselaw regarding justified officer-involved shootings is no more stringent than ours. Now get back to making my fries.
 
2012-12-09 12:09:10 PM  

Big_Doofus: Apik0r0s: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: FTA: Instead of stopping the car, the woman put it in drive, revving forward and dragging the deputy. It was then that the deputy fired his weapon as the vehicle sped away

Apparently, subby thinks that a thief attempting to escape in a vehicle dragging subby along as said thief does so is not a threat to his life

Did this car have suicide doors? How does it move forward and drag a person in the door area?

She was in reverse. That's how you normally get out of parking spots. One of the articles mentioned this little tidbit of information.



Then why do you quote an article that says "revving forward"?

Or is this part of the article a mistake and you just know that because you can tell which are real facts and which ones are mistakes?
 
2012-12-09 12:09:30 PM  

Big_Fat_Liar: willfullyobscure: 100 percent justified as the black lady was literally trying to kill him. hero cop.

Where in the article does it say the lady was black? Oh, never mind, I just remembered that the article said she was stealing....


It says everywhere the women were black. Who else goes into these stores, in an organized group, and blatantly stuffs their empty, over-sized purses with merchandise? I don't want to over-generalize, but this is a black crime, 100% of the time.
 
2012-12-09 12:10:12 PM  

Big_Doofus: Mr. Carpenter: accelerus: Two things I will add:

1 ) At this point in our society - I place much less importance on the value of items stolen, and more so the principle of the matter. If she'd have gotten away then what? a few dollars worth of profit off the retailers books? No big deal in the grand scheme of things really. And you can argue easily that a life is worth more than a few dollars. The problem is we have so many people these days that don't want to obey the law, they feel they have a right (based on skin color or whatever else) that it's okay to steal. Multiply this issue by millions of times all over the country and you are looking at a lot of lost value due to people that are little more than sand in the gears of society. Should society just "accept" these crimes and pay higher prices in the end so people like this can get away with it?

2) Anyone else find it a bit funny and or "par for the course" that the group of women who did this got away, they found the car, and the dead woman inside. Says a lot for the classiness and mutual respect in their group if after stealing from walmart, you just ditch your dead or dying friend and run away without trying to help or call police or ambulance people. Just another tidbit that gives you an idea of how good/honest/worthy people like this are.

At the end of the day -- some ghetto piece of trash assaulted an officer with both her purse and her car while committing a crime. Every low brow piece of crap is going to try to defend her actions and say how she was really just a super nice person.

It really is shocking how easy you can get through life when you live within your means, pay your bills, and DON'T commit a string of repeat thefts.

THE WOMAN THAT WAS SHOT AND KILLED WAS NOT THE SAME WOMAN THAT ASSAULTED THE COP, NOR WAS SHE THE DRIVER OF THE CAR. THE WOMAN THAT WAS SHOT AND KILLED WAS A PASSENGER.

Maybe she shouldn't be shoplifting with the piece of sh_t who assaulted the cop and tried to hit ...


Yes, because guilt by association is now the law of the land and it's totally ok for the police to randomly fire their weapons at someone they weren't even sure was committing the crime, killing some random woman they weren't even firing at, because apparently that person knew a criminal.

You are so wise. You could be this generation's Solomen. Please give us more of your wise laws. Would it have been ok if he shot and killed the children nearby as well because they were witnesses to the crime? What about another driver? What about if the woman he shot and killed was 8 months pregnant and the child died? Please, give us your wisdom!
 
2012-12-09 12:10:26 PM  

burning_bridge: BravadoGT: One more thing--she was already on probation for shoplifting...from Walmart! As part of her probation, she wasn't even allowed to be in a Walmart...

Here's a pic of the delicate little flower...

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Having a record and looking frighteningly urban to white people makes it okay that she's dead over a misdemeanor.


"frighteningly urban"?

ur·ban
/ˈərbən/
Adjective
In, relating to, or characteristic of a city or town: "the urban population".

I live in a city, not the suburb. Must mean I'm urban, I usually dress in jeans and a t-shirt, or sometimes even shorts. She looked nothing like or my neighbors.

Maybe you meant to say "looking tacky"
 
2012-12-09 12:10:34 PM  

Theaetetus: Thus, whether or not he was "dragged", he was decidedly not "in front of the car".


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Being dragged by a car door can't hurt you, right?
 
2012-12-09 12:11:43 PM  
Is hitting someone with the butt of a gun attempted murder or battery?

Why is a car always a deadly weapon used in a deadly manner?
 
2012-12-09 12:11:57 PM  

fusillade762: But yeah, he doesn't have to obey WM policy, apparently.


When a company hires an officer, they are legally responsible for their actions... badge or not.

I'm sure Walmart didn't really want him to fire his weapon. Half that store now how a claim for PTSD and inability to work. No way the shoplifter got away with more merchandise than it will cost to settle some claims or deal with them in court.

Stores have these policies for a reason... it's cheaper to take some loss than to deal with the legal ramifications of employees doing something, especially given most employees are dumb as a sack of bricks.

Lets be realistic... odds are the goods stolen were
Not worth it. That's why those policies exist.

If it made fiscal sense, all employees would be armed and ordered to shoot to kill. The sole reason they don't do that is it would be a money loosing venture.
 
2012-12-09 12:12:09 PM  

BronyMedic: Theaetetus: Thus, whether or not he was "dragged", he was decidedly not "in front of the car".

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Being dragged by a car door can't hurt you, right?



How exactly does one become attached to the car?

Seems you could simply let go.
 
2012-12-09 12:12:27 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Here is a good story on typical cop behavior.

Or how about the time the police burned down an entire city block in Philadelphia?

I won't bother to post the endless stories of cops shooting hundreds of rounds into an unarmed "suspect"'s car.

I could go on ALL DAY.


A good friend of mine was killed by the police because he was crossing 126th street in Harlem--with the light--when a speeding cop car with no lights on knocked him right out of his shoes on a "black teens possibly smoking marijuana" call.

I don't use that as a metric to judge all cops by, and neither would he.
 
2012-12-09 12:12:32 PM  
See, this proves my belief that we can pass a law to make stupidity punishable by death. All we have to do is enact a law where on the same day every year (sort of a holiday) all crimes get the death penalty with no chance for appeal. On that day most people will either stay at home or be very careful in everything they do. The stupid ones will continue jaywalking and littering and speeding or even shoplifting because obviously they will get away with it.

Soon there will be no more stupid people.
 
2012-12-09 12:13:24 PM  
I felt I was in danger while endangering myself as I escalated a misdemeanor into a fatal shooting but she was black give me my free donut.
 
2012-12-09 12:14:43 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Basically his choice was to let go of the car or execute the driver, and he chose execution.



Actually I think he executed the passenger.
 
2012-12-09 12:15:13 PM  

Apik0r0s: I felt I was in danger while endangering myself as I escalated a misdemeanor into a fatal shooting but she was black give me my free donut.


Dude. Put down the bong. You know you're not supposed to drink the water, right?
 
2012-12-09 12:15:22 PM  

Apik0r0s: How exactly does one become attached to the car?

Seems you could simply let go.



They usually do after the shock of sudden acceleration diminishes. That's provided they're aren't being held or their arm isn't tangled in the seat belt.
 
2012-12-09 12:15:52 PM  

BronyMedic: Madbassist1: LOL wow. grow a skin, you wuss.

Wait.

Wait, wait wait.

I just realized how pathetic this is, dude.

You're mad at me because you childishly broke the FArQ, and then got a time-out for it?

That's sad. I get them all the time, and I never call someone out for it. In violation of the FArQ. Wow.

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I've been on this site, daily, for 6 years and have yet to get a timeout. You get them all the time and you're calling someone else a loser?
 
2012-12-09 12:16:37 PM  

BronyMedic: Put down the bong.


Please. Don't be this guy.
 
2012-12-09 12:18:12 PM  
tukatz

Put down the pipe. Slowly.

BronyMedic

Dude. Put down the bong. You know you're not supposed to drink the water, right?
 
2012-12-09 12:18:29 PM  

thamike: BronyMedic: Put down the bong.

Please. Don't be this guy.


Marijuana is the devil's doorway. It leads to satanic worship. Jack Chick told me so.

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/really? THIS is what you take me serious on?
 
2012-12-09 12:19:12 PM  
Well, that escalated quickly.
 
2012-12-09 12:19:31 PM  

Apik0r0s: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: FTA: Instead of stopping the car, the woman put it in drive, revving forward and dragging the deputy. It was then that the deputy fired his weapon as the vehicle sped away

Apparently, subby thinks that a thief attempting to escape in a vehicle dragging subby along as said thief does so is not a threat to his life

Did this car have suicide doors? How does it move forward and drag a person in the door area?


Maybe he was hanging on to the door for dear life so he wouldn't be run over.
 
2012-12-09 12:20:41 PM  
Dont worry police gunning down people for petty theft is an example of big government gone wrong and the republicans will fight this!
 
2012-12-09 12:20:44 PM  

BronyMedic: /really? THIS is what you take me serious on?


Why assume you're being taken seriously?
 
2012-12-09 12:21:08 PM  
wallymart oompa loompa ...

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2012-12-09 12:21:14 PM  

Ooba Tooba: Lots of trolling here. Don't hit, and drag a police officer. Bad things will happen. Did they not know this? One less thug.


Usually I think this word is over-used on Fark, to deflect an argument by implying that the person can't be serious. In the case of this thread, however, my faith in humanity would be seriously weakened if I thought that this number of posters could be so stupid. So, yes, I have to agree with you.
 
2012-12-09 12:21:23 PM  

ElBarto79: Apik0r0s: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: FTA: Instead of stopping the car, the woman put it in drive, revving forward and dragging the deputy. It was then that the deputy fired his weapon as the vehicle sped away

Apparently, subby thinks that a thief attempting to escape in a vehicle dragging subby along as said thief does so is not a threat to his life

Did this car have suicide doors? How does it move forward and drag a person in the door area?

Maybe he was hanging on to the door for dear life so he wouldn't be run over.


How did black women afford a car that can drive sideways?
 
2012-12-09 12:21:34 PM  
That cop better hope that he's not white.
 
2012-12-09 12:21:57 PM  

Fista-Phobia: BronyMedic: /really? THIS is what you take me serious on?

Why assume you're being taken seriously?


Good point.

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2012-12-09 12:22:11 PM  
Can't figure out the mindset of this.
Hey, let's pack up the kids and go shoplifting at Walmart !
The article said there was a group of women shoplifting, yet when they found the car only one other woman was in it with the dead girl. Did the others bail, or were they caught at the store?
Pretty sorry that someone loses a life for crappy Walmart stuff.
In other news: Shoplifting at this Walmart store drops 96%
 
2012-12-09 12:22:13 PM  

OBBN: burning_bridge: BravadoGT: One more thing--she was already on probation for shoplifting...from Walmart! As part of her probation, she wasn't even allowed to be in a Walmart...

Here's a pic of the delicate little flower...

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Having a record and looking frighteningly urban to white people makes it okay that she's dead over a misdemeanor.

Wow, you really summed it up! All us white people are terrified if people life her and a are do happy she's dead. And it couldn't be she's dead because she refused to follow the instructions given to get by a law enforcement officer or that she tried to injure our kill said officer by dragging him with get car.

Usually I'm not in Tyne side of the police, as I get tired of hearing about the over use of force. However, this isn't one of those times, this lady committed a crime, tried to glee when caught and in the process and put an citizen's life in jeopardy due to get own actions and decisions. She's dead because she was an idiot.



Did you even see the comment I was responding to? I agree with what you said about this case. The woman is dead because was an idiot. The guy I responded to indicated that who she was should have bearing on how we think of that and that her race and culture should be part of that consideration. I was responding directly to what that guy wrote.
 
2012-12-09 12:22:30 PM  

BronyMedic: Marcus Aurelius: Here is a good story on typical cop behavior.

Or how about the time the police burned down an entire city block in Philadelphia?

I won't bother to post the endless stories of cops shooting hundreds of rounds into an unarmed "suspect"'s car.

I could go on ALL DAY.

And this is relevant to this situation how, exactly? Uh, was this guy involved in any of those incidents you listed? Am I defending anyone involved in any of those?

Answer Key:
1) It's not.
2) No.
3) Nope.

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I cordially invite you to come visit the fine city of Philadelphia. While you're here, look at a cop cross-eyed. Then report back to me your experiences once you're discharged from the hospital.
 
2012-12-09 12:23:07 PM  
Of course he should have just let go. How could there be any possibility of being run over?