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(CBS Houston)   Off-duty cop in "fear for his life" fires weapon at suspected Walmart shoplifters speeding away, killing one but luckily missing the two small children in the car. Tag is for not knowing Walmart's new policy regarding shoplifters   (houston.cbslocal.com) divider line 673
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2012-12-09 02:17:38 AM
2.bp.blogspot.com
"You didn't pay for that. Your ass is mine!"
 
2012-12-09 02:20:30 AM
"They are coming straight at me!" *shruggs*
 
2012-12-09 02:39:39 AM
I'm pretty sure Walmart's shoplifter procedures apply to their employees only, not an off duty cop who happened to be there .
 
2012-12-09 03:02:05 AM

Bathia_Mapes: I'm pretty sure Walmart's shoplifter procedures apply to their employees only, not an off duty cop who happened to be there .


He didn't just happen to be there. From the Daily Mail arty:

'We hire off duty officers to provide security to some of our stores. While we have policies in place for our associates to disengage from situations that might put them or others in harm's way, off-duty officers working at a WM store are authorized to act in accordance with their department's code of conduct.'

But yeah, he doesn't have to obey WM policy, apparently.
 
2012-12-09 03:04:09 AM

Bathia_Mapes: I'm pretty sure Walmart's shoplifter procedures apply to their employees only, not an off duty cop who happened to be there .


He didn't just "happen to be there", he was paid by Wal-Mart to stand around in uniform as a deterrent, and do any police-type stuff if the need arose, or at least call for the on-duty guys. Ever seen cops at a concert or sporting event? They're "off-duty", being paid by the venue or promoter to be there.

Here's another article that goes into more depth about why the officer was there:

Harris County deputy Louis Campbell, who was working an approved extra job that evening as Walmart security, was alerted immediately when the suspects made their way to checkout.
 
2012-12-09 03:15:03 AM

fusillade762: But yeah, he doesn't have to obey WM policy, apparently.


Well, cops are their own law anyway.

But what about the security guard that put the shoplifter in Atlanta in a headlock two weeks ago, and somehow the shoplifter wound up dead by the time the cops showed up? He worked for a private security company, not directly for Wal-Mart, but wasn't he still expected to follow Wal-Mart policies regarding shoplifters, and, you know, not kill them?

Extra jobs that cops take on are invariably on a "contract" basis, rather than as an actual employee of the business or event; however, were the cop to take a second job as a contracted truck driver, wouldn't he be expected to follow the company policy as well? (e.g., things like no offensive bumper stickers when hauling trailers with the company logo, no passengers when hauling company-owned freight, mandatory stops every four hours even when not legally required, etc.) How about as a contracted accountant during tax season? What if he were to receive a contract from the city to provide lawn maintenance, could the city require that he wear an orange vest while mowing, even though he is not legally required to do so?

The point is that cop or no, Wal-Mart can dictate policy he is required to follow. Also, since he was being paid by Wal-Mart to be there, Wal-Mart could very well face some liability in a wrongful death suit, especially if it is proven he fired into a vehicle moving away from him.
 
2012-12-09 03:16:28 AM

Bathia_Mapes: I'm pretty sure Walmart's shoplifter procedures apply to their employees only, not an off duty cop who happened to be there .


Oh, and the joke was supposed to be the shoplifters were not aware that Wal-Mart now kills suspected shoplifters.
 
2012-12-09 03:38:58 AM

ox45tallboy: Bathia_Mapes: I'm pretty sure Walmart's shoplifter procedures apply to their employees only, not an off duty cop who happened to be there .

Oh, and the joke was supposed to be the shoplifters were not aware that Wal-Mart now kills suspected shoplifters.


You can get killed for stealing a toaster before it gets put on the first container.
 
2012-12-09 03:46:16 AM

DON.MAC: You can get killed for stealing a toaster before it gets put on the first container.


But by the second container you're cool, right?
 
2012-12-09 03:56:08 AM

ox45tallboy: DON.MAC: You can get killed for stealing a toaster before it gets put on the first container.

But by the second container you're cool, right?


Far less likely to have your family pay for the bullet at least.
 
2012-12-09 04:08:51 AM

DON.MAC: Far less likely to have your family pay for the bullet at least.


At least they're on sale in the sporting goods department.
 
2012-12-09 05:31:57 AM

DON.MAC: ox45tallboy: DON.MAC: You can get killed for stealing a toaster before it gets put on the first container.

But by the second container you're cool, right?

Far less likely to have your family pay for the bullet at least.


If your toaster is in a vehicle speeding away from you in a Walmart parking lot, let it go, man... it's gone. 

/if shoplifters were armed, this wouldn't happen
 
2012-12-09 05:50:55 AM

ox45tallboy: DON.MAC: Far less likely to have your family pay for the bullet at least.

At least they're on sale in the sporting goods department.


I took an Aussie girlfriend to Texas Wal-mart at about 3 am (recent arrival, jet lag, needed stuff, it was open). She wondered over to the hunting section and was flirting with the kid behind the counter and was asking if she could buy a gun and which one should she get. It was insane.
 
2012-12-09 05:53:09 AM

ox45tallboy: Wal-Mart could very well face some liability in a wrongful death suit, especially if it is proven he fired into a vehicle moving away from him.


The vehicle wasn't moving away from him. It was dragging him along with it.
 
2012-12-09 05:54:29 AM

CreamFilling: ox45tallboy: Wal-Mart could very well face some liability in a wrongful death suit, especially if it is proven he fired into a vehicle moving away from him.

The vehicle wasn't moving away from him. It was dragging him along with it.


That depends on which story you read.
 
2012-12-09 05:57:04 AM

DON.MAC: CreamFilling: ox45tallboy: Wal-Mart could very well face some liability in a wrongful death suit, especially if it is proven he fired into a vehicle moving away from him.

The vehicle wasn't moving away from him. It was dragging him along with it.

That depends on which story you read.


Perhaps if he hadn't attempted to force his way into the vehicle this may not have happened.
 
2012-12-09 06:07:09 AM

DON.MAC: She wondered over to the hunting section and was flirting with the kid behind the counter and was asking if she could buy a gun and which one should she get. It was insane.


No, insane is when you get home and she wants to bring it to bed with you.

Trust me, stay away from these kinds of women,
 
2012-12-09 06:20:43 AM

AbbeySomeone: Perhaps if he hadn't attempted to force his way into the vehicle this may not have happened.


Most cops I know are already pretty damned tired when they get to these off-duty gigs, having already put in an eight-hour shift hunting down miscreants. Most of the time, they don't want to work, and will happily just call in some on-duty guys to handle an arrest.

I don't want to go too far into conjecture, but if a woman smacks a cop with her purse, regardless of if she had a good reason, the cop is probably not going to be happy about it, and might decide to chase after her. He's probably not going to let her drive (or get into a car and ride) away without teaching her that smacking a cop with your purse is unacceptable behavior in civilized society. Some cops, depending on the circumstances, might feel that a brief verbal exposition might be sufficient; others might feel that there should be some kind of physical reinforcement to the lesson. Virtually none, however, will let it slide, as this is seen as an affront not merely to the individual cop, but to the badge.

I don't know of any police procedure which allows for effecting arrest under these circumstances for simple petty theft when the cop is on foot with no backup and the suspects are attempting to flee by car. The cop is placing himself in danger in these circumstances, and cops are trained to look out for their own safety before the safety of others. He has a radio. Call in the license plate and have the on-duty guys bring the suspects back for your lecture/tazing/beatdown. Shooting at a fleeing car might look great in an action movie, but it makes you look like a total dick unconcerned with public safety when it happens in real life.
 
2012-12-09 07:11:08 AM
"killing one but luckily missing the two small children in the car."


More proof that cops should carry fully automatic weapons.
 
2012-12-09 07:20:12 AM

ox45tallboy: I don't want to go too far into conjecture, but if a woman smacks a cop with her purse, regardless of if she had a good reason, the cop is probably not going to be happy about it, and might decide to chase after her. He's probably not going to let her drive (or get into a car and ride) away without teaching her that smacking a cop with your purse is unacceptable behavior in civilized society. Some cops, depending on the circumstances, might feel that a brief verbal exposition might be sufficient; others might feel that there should be some kind of physical reinforcement to the lesson. Virtually none, however, will let it slide, as this is seen as an affront not merely to the individual cop, but to the badge.


Off-duty cops hired by WalMart wear "the badge"?
 
2012-12-09 08:23:24 AM

ox45tallboy:

Trust me, stay away from these kinds of women,


Some lessons must be learned the hard way... so I'm ignoring your advice.
 
2012-12-09 08:25:38 AM

CreamFilling: ox45tallboy: Wal-Mart could very well face some liability in a wrongful death suit, especially if it is proven he fired into a vehicle moving away from him.

The vehicle wasn't moving away from him. It was dragging him along with it.


Until he let go of the handle.
 
2012-12-09 08:41:31 AM
It is after all, Texas...

Pretty sure you can shoot someone for cutting in line there, especially if they are mentally handicapped.
 
2012-12-09 09:15:21 AM

ox45tallboy: Harris County deputy Louis Campbell, who was working an approved extra job that evening as Walmart security, was alerted immediately when the suspects made their way to checkout.


Fantastic. Another greenlight with a poor headline.

Save money, live die better. walmart
 
2012-12-09 09:17:27 AM

PreMortem: It is after all, Texas...

Pretty sure you can shoot someone for cutting in line there, especially if they are mentally handicapped.


Not "can" it's expected.
 
2012-12-09 09:27:32 AM
I think you may have left something out, subby.
 
2012-12-09 10:11:23 AM

thamike: I think you may have left something out, subby.


Yeah, maybe the part about the cop getting dragged as the car sped away.
 
2012-12-09 10:18:53 AM
Another one of the many reasons not to shop at Walmart
 
2012-12-09 10:20:54 AM
I like to play bumper cop. Why all the shootin? U mad. officer?
 
2012-12-09 10:22:54 AM
100 percent justified as the black lady was literally trying to kill him. hero cop.
 
2012-12-09 10:23:02 AM

truchaos: More proof that cops should carry fully automatic weapons.


All bad cops need to carry an AK-47, like portrayed below.

images.wikia.com

Those kids are worth at LEAST one star.
 
2012-12-09 10:23:36 AM
You have to wear a smiley face pin and hope they accept you as one of their own.
 
2012-12-09 10:23:39 AM
Hey man, nice shot.
 
2012-12-09 10:24:33 AM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: You have to wear a smiley face pin and hope they accept you as one of their own.


HEY.

HEY HEY HEY.

You can't post in a thread without laying on us an episode of TMLO theatre.
 
2012-12-09 10:24:43 AM
Am I missing the mention in the article of the two small children?
 
2012-12-09 10:27:21 AM

AbbeySomeone: DON.MAC: CreamFilling: ox45tallboy: Wal-Mart could very well face some liability in a wrongful death suit, especially if it is proven he fired into a vehicle moving away from him.

The vehicle wasn't moving away from him. It was dragging him along with it.

That depends on which story you read.

Perhaps if he hadn't attempted to force his way into the vehicle this may not have happened.


Why shouldn't he? Shopkeepers privilege allows for the reasonable pursuit and detaining of a suspected thief. You blame the cop, why didn't she stop? If a cop opens your door, you comply, you feel you have been unjustly detained, you call a lawyer.
 
2012-12-09 10:28:31 AM

Cuchulane: Am I missing the mention in the article of the two small children?


The headline was long. No need to read article.
 
2012-12-09 10:28:50 AM

willfullyobscure: 100 percent justified as the black lady was literally trying to kill him. hero cop.


Where in the article does it say the lady was black? Oh, never mind, I just remembered that the article said she was stealing....
 
2012-12-09 10:30:14 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-09 10:30:16 AM

Big_Fat_Liar: willfullyobscure: 100 percent justified as the black lady was literally trying to kill him. hero cop.

Where in the article does it say the lady was black? Oh, never mind, I just remembered that the article said she was stealing....


That can't be racist. I know you're white, Sir. And Racism is a crime. And we all know white people can't commit crimes!

/end sarcasm.
 
2012-12-09 10:31:06 AM

BronyMedic: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: You have to wear a smiley face pin and hope they accept you as one of their own.

HEY.

HEY HEY HEY.

You can't post in a thread without laying on us an episode of TMLO theatre.


That was the short attention span edition of TMLO theatre I think
 
2012-12-09 10:31:47 AM
Reading this from Lubbock Online-It sounds like a good shooting:

HOUSTON

Authorities are investigating the fatal shooting of a suspected shoplifter by a sheriff's deputy during a confrontation outside a Houston-area Wal-Mart store.

Officials say Harris County sheriff's Deputy Louis Campbell confronted several female suspects suspected of stealing from the store Thursday evening.

Sheriff's spokesman Thomas Gilliland says Campbell chased one of the suspects after she hit him. The woman then entered a car. Gilliland says that when Campbell opened the car's door, the vehicle accelerated. The deputy was standing between the car door and driver's seat and, fearing for his life, fired his weapon.
 
2012-12-09 10:31:58 AM
good
 
2012-12-09 10:33:37 AM

truchaos: "killing one but luckily missing the two small children in the car."


More proof that cops should carry fully automatic weapons.


I lol'd
 
2012-12-09 10:33:39 AM
Makes you wonder how your next IRS audit will go, eh?
Remember the Fed just armed an entire army of bureaucrats.

Gun Control you can believe in.
 
2012-12-09 10:33:51 AM
Misleading headline of the year.
 
2012-12-09 10:34:13 AM

Via Infinito: thamike: I think you may have left something out, subby.

Yeah, maybe the part about the cop getting dragged as the car sped away.


The cop should have thought of the consequences before holding on, trying to be another Christmas hero.
 
2012-12-09 10:34:35 AM

BronyMedic: HEY.

HEY HEY HEY.

You can't post in a thread without laying on us an episode of TMLO theatre.


Heh, I dig, I follow! I've got nothing prepared for now, but... I'll keep thinking of ideas, anyways!


Pribar: That was the short attention span edition of TMLO theatre I think


TMLO Theater: Text-Based Edition!
 
2012-12-09 10:34:54 AM
One more thing--she was already on probation for shoplifting...from Walmart! As part of her probation, she wasn't even allowed to be in a Walmart...

Here's a pic of the delicate little flower...

www.digitaljournal.com
 
2012-12-09 10:35:23 AM

CreamFilling: ox45tallboy: Wal-Mart could very well face some liability in a wrongful death suit, especially if it is proven he fired into a vehicle moving away from him.

The vehicle wasn't moving away from him. It was dragging him along with it.


Normal people don't put lives on the line over some slave-made Walmart crap.
 
2012-12-09 10:36:29 AM

BravadoGT: One more thing--she was already on probation for shoplifting...from Walmart! As part of her probation, she wasn't even allowed to be in a Walmart...

Here's a pic of the delicate little flower...

[www.digitaljournal.com image 281x371]


Wow. The Funeral Home did nice work. She actually looks alive.
 
2012-12-09 10:36:48 AM

Richard Saunders: DON.MAC: ox45tallboy: DON.MAC: You can get killed for stealing a toaster before it gets put on the first container.

But by the second container you're cool, right?

Far less likely to have your family pay for the bullet at least.

If your toaster is in a vehicle speeding away from you in a Walmart parking lot, let it go, man... it's gone. 

/if shoplifters were armed, this wouldn't happen


Great, now we're going to have armed shoplifters. Thanks Obama.
 
2012-12-09 10:36:50 AM

DON.MAC: CreamFilling: ox45tallboy: Wal-Mart could very well face some liability in a wrongful death suit, especially if it is proven he fired into a vehicle moving away from him.

The vehicle wasn't moving away from him. It was dragging him along with it.

That depends on which story you read.


Reading seldom trumps paradigms.
 
2012-12-09 10:38:16 AM
Well yes they have a new rule. But the article didn't say anything about a bunch of customers and a wal-mart guard killing the person with a headlock
 
2012-12-09 10:38:17 AM
This happened in Texas. You are allowed to chase people down and kill them for minor property crimes there, you don't even have to be a cop, you can be a bystander. Probably perfectly legal to kill everyone including the kids in the fleeing vehicle too.
 
2012-12-09 10:38:20 AM

BravadoGT: It sounds like a good shooting:

The deputy was standing between the car door and driver's seat and, fearing for his life, fired his weapon.



No. He is only claiming a "fear for his life" because the shooting is not justified under these circumstances.
 
2012-12-09 10:38:21 AM

Godscrack: Via Infinito: thamike: I think you may have left something out, subby.

Yeah, maybe the part about the cop getting dragged as the car sped away.

The cop should have thought of the consequences before holding on, trying to be another Christmas hero.


Gotta question any idiot that attempts to hold a car.
 
2012-12-09 10:38:21 AM
Could someone point me to where in the "article" it mentions children in the car? I could only find reference to grown women.
 
2012-12-09 10:38:29 AM

StoPPeRmobile: Great, now we're going to have armed shoplifters. Thanks Obama.


Hey, the armless ones are just as bad, Sir.

wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net
 
2012-12-09 10:39:26 AM

BravadoGT: One more thing--she was already on probation for shoplifting...from Walmart! As part of her probation, she wasn't even allowed to be in a Walmart...

Here's a pic of the delicate little flower...

[www.digitaljournal.com image 281x371]



By all means then, shoot her dead for petty larceny.
 
2012-12-09 10:40:00 AM

BravadoGT: One more thing--she was already on probation for shoplifting...from Walmart! As part of her probation, she wasn't even allowed to be in a Walmart...

Here's a pic of the delicate little flower...

[www.digitaljournal.com image 281x371]


So clearly, she deserves death. Right.
 
2012-12-09 10:41:25 AM
It's too bad that he missed a prime opportunity to remove two more from the shoplifting gene pool...
 
2012-12-09 10:42:11 AM

Rich Cream: By all means then, shoot her dead for petty larceny.


KellyKellyKelly: So clearly, she deserves death. Right.


The article seems to indicate she was shot because she tried to drive off and drug the guy with her, not because she stole something. Which if that's the case, IS legal grounds for using lethal force.
 
2012-12-09 10:42:23 AM

BravadoGT: Reading this from Lubbock Online-It sounds like a good shooting:

HOUSTON

Authorities are investigating the fatal shooting of a suspected shoplifter by a sheriff's deputy during a confrontation outside a Houston-area Wal-Mart store.

Officials say Harris County sheriff's Deputy Louis Campbell confronted several female suspects suspected of stealing from the store Thursday evening.

Sheriff's spokesman Thomas Gilliland says Campbell chased one of the suspects after she hit him. The woman then entered a car. Gilliland says that when Campbell opened the car's door, the vehicle accelerated. The deputy was standing between the car door and driver's seat and, fearing for his life, fired his weapon.


image.shutterstock.com
What a person standing between a car door and driver's seat may look like.

I don't think he's in danger unless the car is going backwards.
 
2012-12-09 10:43:25 AM
TFA does not actually say that the person killed was one of the shoplifters, could have been the getaway driver, or just someone that was not involved and was taking care of the kids in the car. Probably still legal in Texas though.
 
2012-12-09 10:45:23 AM

ox45tallboy: Shooting at a fleeing car might look great in an action movie, but it makes you look like a total dick unconcerned with public safety when it happens in real life.


FIFY
 
2012-12-09 10:45:28 AM

Theaetetus: BravadoGT: Reading this from Lubbock Online-It sounds like a good shooting:

HOUSTON

Authorities are investigating the fatal shooting of a suspected shoplifter by a sheriff's deputy during a confrontation outside a Houston-area Wal-Mart store.

Officials say Harris County sheriff's Deputy Louis Campbell confronted several female suspects suspected of stealing from the store Thursday evening.

Sheriff's spokesman Thomas Gilliland says Campbell chased one of the suspects after she hit him. The woman then entered a car. Gilliland says that when Campbell opened the car's door, the vehicle accelerated. The deputy was standing between the car door and driver's seat and, fearing for his life, fired his weapon.

[image.shutterstock.com image 300x470]
What a person standing between a car door and driver's seat may look like.

I don't think he's in danger unless the car is going backwards.


Right, because there's no way once the car starts moving and knocks him balance, he could fall under the rear wheels....
 
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2012-12-09 10:46:57 AM
damn, that girl skipped the sharpie and went straight for the kiwi shoe polish
 
2012-12-09 10:48:13 AM

BravadoGT: Theaetetus: BravadoGT: Reading this from Lubbock Online-It sounds like a good shooting:

HOUSTON

Authorities are investigating the fatal shooting of a suspected shoplifter by a sheriff's deputy during a confrontation outside a Houston-area Wal-Mart store.

Officials say Harris County sheriff's Deputy Louis Campbell confronted several female suspects suspected of stealing from the store Thursday evening.

Sheriff's spokesman Thomas Gilliland says Campbell chased one of the suspects after she hit him. The woman then entered a car. Gilliland says that when Campbell opened the car's door, the vehicle accelerated. The deputy was standing between the car door and driver's seat and, fearing for his life, fired his weapon.

[image.shutterstock.com image 300x470]
What a person standing between a car door and driver's seat may look like.

I don't think he's in danger unless the car is going backwards.

Right, because there's no way once the car starts moving and knocks him balance, he could fall under the rear wheels....


Gosh, you're right... I hadn't thought of that. Mind you, that could happen any time anyone is standing near a car, so therefore, we're justified in shooting the driver if we're within 5 feet while they're moving.
 
2012-12-09 10:48:59 AM
Keep preventing that loss, coppers.
 
2012-12-09 10:49:29 AM

Theaetetus:
Gosh, you're right... I hadn't thought of that. Mind you, that could happen any time anyone is standing near a car, so therefore, we're justified in shooting the driver if we're within 5 feet while they're moving.


www.c-pol.com
 
2012-12-09 10:51:02 AM
Subby probably writes for NBC news.
 
2012-12-09 10:51:19 AM
Here's a pic of the delicate little flower...

Looks like an Anime character
 
2012-12-09 10:51:28 AM
In the civilized world, this is considered murder.

A human life for a property crime? Maybe in Saudi Arabia.
 
2012-12-09 10:51:46 AM

BravadoGT: Theaetetus: BravadoGT: Reading this from Lubbock Online-It sounds like a good shooting:

HOUSTON

Authorities are investigating the fatal shooting of a suspected shoplifter by a sheriff's deputy during a confrontation outside a Houston-area Wal-Mart store.

Officials say Harris County sheriff's Deputy Louis Campbell confronted several female suspects suspected of stealing from the store Thursday evening.

Sheriff's spokesman Thomas Gilliland says Campbell chased one of the suspects after she hit him. The woman then entered a car. Gilliland says that when Campbell opened the car's door, the vehicle accelerated. The deputy was standing between the car door and driver's seat and, fearing for his life, fired his weapon.

[image.shutterstock.com image 300x470]
What a person standing between a car door and driver's seat may look like.

I don't think he's in danger unless the car is going backwards.

Right, because there's no way once the car starts moving and knocks him balance, he could fall under the rear wheels....


Think that one through CAREFULLY, and maybe you will understand why everyone is laughing at you. eEstapo cops indeed.
 
2012-12-09 10:51:50 AM
Loss prevention officials noticed

WTF. Walmart has officials. The article doesn't explain how Walmart was nationalized earlier in the morning to prevent another December 7th style terrorist attack or that the author has shared her christmas meth recipe with the editor again.
 
2012-12-09 10:52:38 AM

truchaos: "killing one but luckily missing the two small children in the car."


More proof that cops should carry fully automatic weapons.


Just don't lead them so much...
 
2012-12-09 10:53:03 AM

BravadoGT: One more thing--she was already on probation for shoplifting...from Walmart! As part of her probation, she wasn't even allowed to be in a Walmart...

Here's a pic of the delicate little flower...

[www.digitaljournal.com image 281x371]


So she got what she deserved?
 
2012-12-09 10:53:20 AM
Nother obamer voter down.
 
2012-12-09 10:54:02 AM

Theaetetus: BravadoGT: Theaetetus: BravadoGT: Reading this from Lubbock Online-It sounds like a good shooting:

HOUSTON

Authorities are investigating the fatal shooting of a suspected shoplifter by a sheriff's deputy during a confrontation outside a Houston-area Wal-Mart store.

Officials say Harris County sheriff's Deputy Louis Campbell confronted several female suspects suspected of stealing from the store Thursday evening.

Sheriff's spokesman Thomas Gilliland says Campbell chased one of the suspects after she hit him. The woman then entered a car. Gilliland says that when Campbell opened the car's door, the vehicle accelerated. The deputy was standing between the car door and driver's seat and, fearing for his life, fired his weapon.

[image.shutterstock.com image 300x470]
What a person standing between a car door and driver's seat may look like.

I don't think he's in danger unless the car is going backwards.

Right, because there's no way once the car starts moving and knocks him balance, he could fall under the rear wheels....

Gosh, you're right... I hadn't thought of that. Mind you, that could happen any time anyone is standing near a car, so therefore, we're justified in shooting the driver if we're within 5 feet while they're moving.


If you're a police officer in the lawful exercise of your duty and have given the individual a lawful order to stop, and that individual has refused and as a consequence-placed your life in danger. Then yes, you are justified.

I'm not giving you my opinion, I'm just telling you how the law reads (at least in my state, which I would bet is very similar to Texas in this respect).
 
2012-12-09 10:54:17 AM

filter: In the civilized world, this is considered murder.

A human life for a property crime? Maybe in Saudi Arabia.


Uh, what? The guy didn't shoot her for driving away with property. TFA indicates he shot her because he was being dragged by the vehicle when he tried to stop her from driving off, after she slugged him. If you drag a cop, you're probably going to get shot by him.
 
2012-12-09 10:54:28 AM

BravadoGT: Right, because there's no way once the car starts moving and knocks him balance, he could fall under the rear wheels....


How would the vehicle make contact with the body? Did it go sideways or something? More likely he didn't let go of the door handle or he threw himself into the car trying to control the situation.
 
2012-12-09 10:54:36 AM
Dear Subtard:
The headline is totally misleading, I read nothing about children, nor did it gave me the impression that the deputy was acting unlawfully. The man gave several warnings, was assaulted, and even dragged by a car.
 
2012-12-09 10:54:38 AM

BravadoGT: Here's a pic of the delicate little flower...


Markie the clown to sue for trademark infringement before she's in the ground.
 
2012-12-09 10:54:47 AM
img831.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-09 10:56:31 AM

filter: In the civilized world, this is considered murder.

A human life for a property crime? Maybe in Saudi Arabia.


Texas
Civilized world?

Vast riches from oil wealth isn't the only thing Texas had in common with Saudi Arabia.
 
2012-12-09 10:56:44 AM
I'm still trying to find the dammm kids. WTF?
 
2012-12-09 10:57:34 AM

Godscrack: [img831.imageshack.us image 600x574]


So this is what we've come to.

Photoshopping the dead?

That's shameful. Anne Frankly, I won't stand for it.

molempire.com
 
2012-12-09 10:58:10 AM

BravadoGT: If you're a police officer in the lawful exercise of your duty and have given the individual a lawful order to stop, and that individual has refused and as a consequence-placed your life in danger. Then yes, you are justified.



I agree but I don't see where his life was threatened. Maybe if we go with "threat of grave bodily harm" rather than "death" we can find a common ground.

/still, why is the gun even out of the holster at this point? is that standard practice now to draw your weapon at the initiation of procedure or at the first sign of disobedience? seems a little cowardly
 
2012-12-09 10:58:27 AM

BlackMtnMan: I'm still trying to find the dammm kids. WTF?


*GASP*

WHERE'S CARL?! WHERE IS CARL?!

cdn.motinetwork.net
 
2012-12-09 10:58:38 AM

Rich Cream: BravadoGT: Right, because there's no way once the car starts moving and knocks him balance, he could fall under the rear wheels....

How would the vehicle make contact with the body? Did it go sideways or something? More likely he didn't let go of the door handle or he threw himself into the car trying to control the situation.


Go try it yourself. Have your buddy back out of a parking spot with his door open while you stand next to him. Then come back here and try again.
 
2012-12-09 10:59:35 AM
It's jus' po' folk dieing for stealing $2 worth of Walmart shiat. Nuttin' to see here.
 
2012-12-09 11:00:11 AM
Step 1 - Place yourself in danger
Step 2 - Claim you feared for your life
Step 3 - Shoot a minority in the face and live the dream of every cop an 2Aer.
 
2012-12-09 11:01:22 AM

Theaetetus: BravadoGT: Reading this from Lubbock Online-It sounds like a good shooting:

HOUSTON

Authorities are investigating the fatal shooting of a suspected shoplifter by a sheriff's deputy during a confrontation outside a Houston-area Wal-Mart store.

Officials say Harris County sheriff's Deputy Louis Campbell confronted several female suspects suspected of stealing from the store Thursday evening.

Sheriff's spokesman Thomas Gilliland says Campbell chased one of the suspects after she hit him. The woman then entered a car. Gilliland says that when Campbell opened the car's door, the vehicle accelerated. The deputy was standing between the car door and driver's seat and, fearing for his life, fired his weapon.

[image.shutterstock.com image 300x470]
What a person standing between a car door and driver's seat may look like.

I don't think he's in danger unless the car is going backwards.




It helps when you actually RTFA.
 
2012-12-09 11:02:01 AM

BronyMedic: TFA indicates he shot her because he was being dragged by the vehicle when he tried to stop her from driving off, after she slugged him.


She hit him with a purse.
 
2012-12-09 11:02:28 AM

Apik0r0s: Step 1 - Place yourself in danger
Step 2 - Claim you feared for your life
Step 3 - Shoot a minority in the face and live the dream of every cop an 2Aer.


Pretty much, particularly when "standing next to a moving car" counts as "in danger" since you could "slip and fall under the rear wheels".

/"stepping backwards" may be more efficient than shooting someone in the head
 
2012-12-09 11:02:46 AM

Cuchulane: Am I missing the mention in the article of the two small children?


Same here.
 
2012-12-09 11:03:04 AM

jmr61: Theaetetus: BravadoGT: Reading this from Lubbock Online-It sounds like a good shooting:

HOUSTON

Authorities are investigating the fatal shooting of a suspected shoplifter by a sheriff's deputy during a confrontation outside a Houston-area Wal-Mart store.

Officials say Harris County sheriff's Deputy Louis Campbell confronted several female suspects suspected of stealing from the store Thursday evening.

Sheriff's spokesman Thomas Gilliland says Campbell chased one of the suspects after she hit him. The woman then entered a car. Gilliland says that when Campbell opened the car's door, the vehicle accelerated. The deputy was standing between the car door and driver's seat and, fearing for his life, fired his weapon.

[image.shutterstock.com image 300x470]
What a person standing between a car door and driver's seat may look like.

I don't think he's in danger unless the car is going backwards.



It helps when you actually RTFA.


What reading the article may look like.
 
2012-12-09 11:03:34 AM

umad: Go try it yourself. Have your buddy back out of a parking spot with his door open while you stand next to him. Then come back here and try again.


Backing out? Since when?

Additional reports stated that the deputy then opened the door and commanded the driver to stop. Instead of stopping the car, the woman put it in drive, revving forward and dragging the deputy. It was then that the deputy fired his weapon as the vehicle sped away.


So he didn't fire until she was driving away and apparently not within arm's reach.

If he got dragged by the car it was because he grabbed it and hung onto it. Unless you want to say his wedding ring or belt loop got hung up on something?
 
2012-12-09 11:04:11 AM

fusillade762: Off-duty cops hired by WalMart wear "the badge"?


Wal-Mart IS our Govt, may as well drop the pretense.
 
2012-12-09 11:04:49 AM
If that shoplifter had stolen a gun, she might be alive today.
 
2012-12-09 11:04:56 AM

BronyMedic: filter: In the civilized world, this is considered murder.

A human life for a property crime? Maybe in Saudi Arabia.

Uh, what? The guy didn't shoot her for driving away with property. TFA indicates he shot her because he was being dragged by the vehicle when he tried to stop her from driving off, after she slugged him. If you drag a cop, you're probably going to get shot by him.


Not if you do it correctly.
 
2012-12-09 11:05:00 AM
Most importantly: he shot at her after she got away and was no longer a threat to his safety.
 
2012-12-09 11:05:07 AM

Rich Cream: BravadoGT: If you're a police officer in the lawful exercise of your duty and have given the individual a lawful order to stop, and that individual has refused and as a consequence-placed your life in danger. Then yes, you are justified.


I agree but I don't see where his life was threatened. Maybe if we go with "threat of grave bodily harm" rather than "death" we can find a common ground.

/still, why is the gun even out of the holster at this point? is that standard practice now to draw your weapon at the initiation of procedure or at the first sign of disobedience? seems a little cowardly


If the wheels of the car are pointed straight, then the officer may be able to safely stop moving and just let the car go past. If the wheels are turned to the left--he could still be knocked to the ground and run over after letting go of the vehicle. Cops know this, courts know this, and the courts don't expect them to try to make that determination on the fly. There are plenty of examples out there where the cop has let go and then was run over by the rear wheels. Consequently, If they have given a lawful order to stop, and the car is dragging the cop along (even when they're hanging on)--no one's going to give much of a second thought about blessing a shooting under those circumstances.

Cops routinely draw their weapons once they have determined that the suspect is not going to cooperate with their orders--he likely had it drawn as he was chasing her to the car and she was running from him. Sometimes fleeing suspects decide to draw their own weapon and engage the officer.
 
2012-12-09 11:05:21 AM
Lots of trolling here. Don't hit, and drag a police officer. Bad things will happen. Did they not know this? One less thug.
 
2012-12-09 11:06:26 AM

Rich Cream: BravadoGT: If you're a police officer in the lawful exercise of your duty and have given the individual a lawful order to stop, and that individual has refused and as a consequence-placed your life in danger. Then yes, you are justified.


I agree but I don't see where his life was threatened. Maybe if we go with "threat of grave bodily harm" rather than "death" we can find a common ground.

/still, why is the gun even out of the holster at this point? is that standard practice now to draw your weapon at the initiation of procedure or at the first sign of disobedience? seems a little cowardly


That would be why he only had one hand to get afeared for his life with.
 
2012-12-09 11:06:43 AM
Kill cops because cops kill.
 
2012-12-09 11:07:15 AM

Rich Cream: So he didn't fire until she was driving away and apparently not within arm's reach.

If he got dragged by the car it was because he grabbed it and hung onto it. Unless you want to say his wedding ring or belt loop got hung up on something?


Uh, I hate to interrupt your idea of what the world should be like, but in reality, dragging a law enforcement officer with a car, for any reason is justification for the use of lethal force.

Whether or not, by walmart's policy, he should have chased her like he did is irrelevant at that point.
 
2012-12-09 11:07:37 AM

BravadoGT: Sheriff's spokesman Thomas Gilliland says Campbell chased one of the suspects after she hit him. The woman then entered a car. Gilliland says that when Campbell opened the car's door, the vehicle accelerated. The deputy was standing between the car door and driver's seat and, fearing for his life, fired his weapon.


Translated to English, this means that the cop had ALREADY drawn his pistol when he jerked the car door open and stepped between the open door and driver's seat to order the driver out of the car.

Note to black people: when The Man tells you to exit the car, he's gonna kill you and get away with murder if you don't comply.
 
2012-12-09 11:07:44 AM
Don't run from the cops.

/Why is this hard to understand?
 
2012-12-09 11:07:52 AM
The biatch assaulted him twice. Its justified
 
2012-12-09 11:09:29 AM

Stone Meadow: Note to black people: when The Man tells you to exit the car, he's gonna kill you and get away with murder if you don't comply.


Where does it say the thieves were black? Or are you the racist here.
 
2012-12-09 11:09:36 AM

fusillade762: Bathia_Mapes: I'm pretty sure Walmart's shoplifter procedures apply to their employees only, not an off duty cop who happened to be there .

He didn't just happen to be there. From the Daily Mail arty:

'We hire off duty officers to provide security to some of our stores. While we have policies in place for our associates to disengage from situations that might put them or others in harm's way, off-duty officers working at a WM store are authorized to act in accordance with their department's code of conduct.'

But yeah, he doesn't have to obey WM policy, apparently.


I used to work as a loss prevention officer at Walmart, and no, the off duty cops do not have the same rules as loss prevention does. They follow their own department rules.

And also the car was actually going in reverse, according to the police report, and dragging the officer and he feared for his life.
 
2012-12-09 11:10:05 AM

ButterMule: Kill cops because cops kill.


globalnerdy.com

You should take your own advice. Don't wait on others. Pick up the nearest gun and charge a police station. Be an Hero to us all.
 
MFK
2012-12-09 11:10:15 AM

Ooba Tooba: Lots of trolling here. Don't hit, and drag a police officer. Bad things will happen. Did they not know this? One less thug.


I don't suppose it's occurred to you that the "bad things will happen" could actually be the problem?
 
2012-12-09 11:11:02 AM
With helpul picture of what a $2K .22 caliber Olympic target pistol might look like.
 
2012-12-09 11:11:33 AM

fluffy2097: Don't run from the cops.

/Why is this hard to understand?


And maybe the whole "don't commit crime" as well?
 
2012-12-09 11:11:41 AM

hbk72777: Where does it say the thieves were black?


A picture of the victim is already in the thread.
 
2012-12-09 11:11:45 AM
I think there's a very good chance that he wasn't actively trying to shoot her. If you were caught partially in/on a moving car with a firearm in your hand, I would imagine it'd be pretty easy for your finger to squeeze the trigger inadvertently.

Whether he was right to be in that situation is a question I won't speculate on, but seriously, I think it's safe to say he didn't "shoot her for shoplifting." Same goes for all those "shot for $8" stories. A criminal does not determine the contents of your wallet before mugging you. It doesn't excuse the behavior, but be honest about it.
 
2012-12-09 11:11:50 AM

filter: In the civilized world, this is considered murder.

A human life for a property crime? Maybe in Saudi Arabia.


No, the property crime was going to be handled with the cop saying "Open your bag. Do you have a receipt for that? You're under arrest." The shoplifters upped the ante by striking the officer and fleeing. Then, after a foot persuit ending at the suspects' vehicle, they try to flee with the door open and the car apparently in some type of contact with the officer.

Had the cop walked up to her, pulled out his gun and summarily executed her...then yes, I'd consider that murder. Unfortunately for the dead woman, this situation escalated four times by my count (when she struck the officer, when she fled, when she got in her car and refused orders to stop, and when she started moving with the officer attatched). It is no longer a simple property crime. The blame lies with the women, and the fact that they were willing to fight so hard and put their own lives in jeopardy over a fine or a month in county.
 
2012-12-09 11:14:12 AM

BravadoGT: f the wheels are turned to the left--he could still be knocked to the ground and run over after letting go of the vehicle.


Fair enough. I suppose there was an unlikely chance of great harm.

BravadoGT:

Cops routinely draw their weapons once they have determined that the suspect is not going to cooperate with their orders--he likely had it drawn as he was chasing her to the car and she was running from him. Sometimes fleeing suspects decide to draw their own weapon and engage the officer.


I could see if you're stopping a suspected armed bank robber but just because someone doesn't obey you doesn't mean you can threaten them with death. Punishment by electric shock is bad enough.


BronyMedic: Whether or not, by walmart's policy, he should have chased her like he did is irrelevant at that point.


There is no way on God's green earth that WalMart's security policy is going to outrank municipal legal codes.
 
2012-12-09 11:14:13 AM

Rich Cream: Most importantly: he shot at her after she got away and was no longer a threat to his safety.


BravadoGT: One more thing--she was already on probation for shoplifting...from Walmart! As part of her probation, she wasn't even allowed to be in a Walmart...

Here's a pic of the delicate little flower...

[www.digitaljournal.com image 281x371]



Kill it!

Kill it!

It's black, like Obama!

Kill it for Freedom!
 
2012-12-09 11:14:15 AM

MFK: Ooba Tooba: Lots of trolling here. Don't hit, and drag a police officer. Bad things will happen. Did they not know this? One less thug.

I don't suppose it's occurred to you that the "bad things will happen" could actually be the problem?


Or the problem could be that the woman tried to mow down a cop with her car.

The officer was in his Sheriff Department uniform and clearly identified as law enforcement, not as a private security guard. In addition, he was knocked off his feet, and felt like he was in danger of being ran over by the tires.
 
2012-12-09 11:14:33 AM

lizyrd: filter: In the civilized world, this is considered murder.

A human life for a property crime? Maybe in Saudi Arabia.

No, the property crime was going to be handled with the cop saying "Open your bag. Do you have a receipt for that? You're under arrest." The shoplifters upped the ante by striking the officer and fleeing. Then, after a foot persuit ending at the suspects' vehicle, they try to flee with the door open and the car apparently in some type of contact with the officer.

Had the cop walked up to her, pulled out his gun and summarily executed her...then yes, I'd consider that murder. Unfortunately for the dead woman, this situation escalated four times by my count (when she struck the officer, when she fled, when she got in her car and refused orders to stop, and when she started moving with the officer attatched). It is no longer a simple property crime. The blame lies with the women, and the fact that they were willing to fight so hard and put their own lives in jeopardy over a fine or a month in county.


Well said! And that's why I'd never let you sit on one of my juries ;)
 
2012-12-09 11:15:03 AM

kombat_unit: fluffy2097: Don't run from the cops.

/Why is this hard to understand?

And maybe the whole "don't commit crime" as well?


Don't be silly. In a civil society you can commit whatever crimes you like without any recourse simply by running away.

ಠ_ಠ
 
2012-12-09 11:15:13 AM
So many good little boot lickers in these threads, it's pretty sad.
 
2012-12-09 11:15:24 AM

BravadoGT: Here's a pic of the delicate little flower..


These lips were made for sucking
And that's just what they'll do
One of these days these
lips are gonna suck all over you

OOPS, TOO LATE.
 
2012-12-09 11:15:26 AM

Tazandra: And also the car was actually going in reverse, according to the police report,


There is a discrepancy with regards to this.

FTA: "Additional reports stated that the deputy then opened the door and commanded the driver to stop. Instead of stopping the car, the woman put it in drive, revving forward and dragging the deputy."
 
2012-12-09 11:15:44 AM

hbk72777: Stone Meadow: Note to black people: when The Man tells you to exit the car, he's gonna kill you and get away with murder if you don't comply.

Where does it say the thieves were black? Or are you the racist here.


Have you figured out yet how we know you didn't scroll through the thread before accusing me of being a racist?
 
2012-12-09 11:16:10 AM
img69.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-09 11:16:23 AM
This is actually the plot of Les Miserables 2, which is only 10 pages long.
 
2012-12-09 11:17:09 AM

Rich Cream: I could see if you're stopping a suspected armed bank robber but just because someone doesn't obey you doesn't mean you can threaten them with death. Punishment by electric shock is bad enough.


When you refuse an officer's order to stop, and get into a car, you have escalated the situation. You have, at the least, a one ton lethal weapon in the hands of someone you have no idea what they are going to do, then yes. They are justified by drawing their side arm in that case. They're also justified in shooting your tires out if you attempt to flee.

Rich Cream: There is no way on God's green earth that WalMart's security policy is going to outrank municipal legal codes.


Reading other articles on google about the shooting, it appears that he was working with the permission of his department in his Sheriff's uniform, as a law enforcement officer.
 
2012-12-09 11:17:20 AM

BravadoGT: Theaetetus: BravadoGT: Theaetetus: BravadoGT: Reading this from Lubbock Online-It sounds like a good shooting:

HOUSTON

Authorities are investigating the fatal shooting of a suspected shoplifter by a sheriff's deputy during a confrontation outside a Houston-area Wal-Mart store.

Officials say Harris County sheriff's Deputy Louis Campbell confronted several female suspects suspected of stealing from the store Thursday evening.

Sheriff's spokesman Thomas Gilliland says Campbell chased one of the suspects after she hit him. The woman then entered a car. Gilliland says that when Campbell opened the car's door, the vehicle accelerated. The deputy was standing between the car door and driver's seat and, fearing for his life, fired his weapon.

[image.shutterstock.com image 300x470]
What a person standing between a car door and driver's seat may look like.

I don't think he's in danger unless the car is going backwards.

Right, because there's no way once the car starts moving and knocks him balance, he could fall under the rear wheels....

Gosh, you're right... I hadn't thought of that. Mind you, that could happen any time anyone is standing near a car, so therefore, we're justified in shooting the driver if we're within 5 feet while they're moving.

If you're a police officer in the lawful exercise of your duty and have given the individual a lawful order to stop, and that individual has refused and as a consequence-placed your life in danger. Then yes, you are justified.

I'm not giving you my opinion, I'm just telling you how the law reads (at least in my state, which I would bet is very similar to Texas in this respect).


Off duty cop, he's a mall cop now. Life is quite obviously NOT in danger, in fact shooting the driver may actually place your life in greater danger as now you have a wounded individual barreling away in a 2 ton steel machine.

Charge him with second degree murder and as many counts of reckless discharge of a firearm as there are people in the parking lot. So about 100 or so. Sounds good to me.
 
2012-12-09 11:17:24 AM

Cubicle Jockey: Tazandra: And also the car was actually going in reverse, according to the police report,

There is a discrepancy with regards to this.

FTA: "Additional reports stated that the deputy then opened the door and commanded the driver to stop. Instead of stopping the car, the woman put it in drive, revving forward and dragging the deputy."


I think the discrepancy will be in the fact that he shot her after the danger from the car had passed. But this is Houston, he will probably get a promotion and be allowed to add a little Sambo kill sticker to his squad car.
 
2012-12-09 11:17:24 AM

Rich Cream: BravadoGT: f the wheels are turned to the left--he could still be knocked to the ground and run over after letting go of the vehicle.

Fair enough. I suppose there was an unlikely chance of great harm.

BravadoGT:

Cops routinely draw their weapons once they have determined that the suspect is not going to cooperate with their orders--he likely had it drawn as he was chasing her to the car and she was running from him. Sometimes fleeing suspects decide to draw their own weapon and engage the officer.

I could see if you're stopping a suspected armed bank robber but just because someone doesn't obey you doesn't mean you can threaten them with death. Punishment by electric shock is bad enough.


Just because an officer has his weapon drawn from his holster doesn't mean he has raised it up, pointed it at you and threatened to shoot. It means, merely, that it is out of the holster and in his hand.

 
2012-12-09 11:18:55 AM
Additional reports stated that the deputy then opened the door and commanded the driver to stop. Instead of stopping the car, the woman put it in drive, revving forward and dragging the deputy. It was then that the deputy fired his weapon as the vehicle sped away.

/I have no problem with this, he could have been dragged to death, seriously injured, or crushed under the cars wheels. And he had every right to open her door and try to arrest her.
 
2012-12-09 11:19:42 AM

Cubicle Jockey: hbk72777: Where does it say the thieves were black?

A picture of the victim is already in the thread.


She is no victim. She decided to commit a crime as soon as she carried out that crime she ceased to be a victim. This is a result of her decision whether the severity of the consequence is justified or not. Some one that is attacked without provocation is a victim a criminal is not.
 
2012-12-09 11:20:22 AM

BronyMedic: Or the problem could be that the woman tried to mow down a cop with her car.


Where's that Captain Hyperbole picture? 


Still tho, now he was also knocked down and then feared he was going to be run over and then drew his weapon and then shot at the vehicle? Was she driving in a circle or what?

The car was away from him when he shot at it. Had to be. In other words the threat has dissipated and he was simply firing out of anger.

Or, he is that high-strung and really shouldn't have a gun and be in a position of authority
 
2012-12-09 11:21:00 AM

Mr. Carpenter: Off duty cop, he's a mall cop now


He was apparently in his service uniform however.

How does that work? You are an official police officer paid by Walmart directly?
 
2012-12-09 11:21:16 AM

Mr. Carpenter: Off duty cop, he's a mall cop now. Life is quite obviously NOT in danger, in fact shooting the driver may actually place your life in greater danger as now you have a wounded individual barreling away in a 2 ton steel machine.


You might want to RTFA. Just because he's off duty doesn't mean anything. He's working in uniform for the store with the permission of his department. He has the same authority in this instance as if he were on the clock with them because of that. As a commissioned LEO, the standards and laws are completely different regarding use of force and ability to enact arrests.
 
ows
2012-12-09 11:21:19 AM

fluffy2097: Don't run from the cops.

/Why is this hard to understand?


fight or flight for the simple minded
 
2012-12-09 11:21:50 AM
Remedial education for those unclear on what to do when The Man orders you to stop: Chris Rock: How Not to Get Your Ass Kicked by the Police (Youtube video).
 
2012-12-09 11:22:27 AM

Rich Cream: BronyMedic: Or the problem could be that the woman tried to mow down a cop with her car.

Still tho, now he was also knocked down and then feared he was going to be run over and then drew his weapon and then shot at the vehicle? Was she driving in a circle or what?

The car was away from him when he shot at it. Had to be. In other words the threat has dissipated and he was simply firing out of anger.

Or, he is that high-strung and really shouldn't have a gun and be in a position of authority


You're assuming a hell of a lot that isn't mentioned in ANY article I've seen. I've read five so far.
 
2012-12-09 11:22:52 AM
Newsflash: vehicular assault on a police officer is considered an attempt on an officer's life and gets people shot all the time.

i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-12-09 11:25:01 AM
Letting cops act as mercenaries in the private sector is a recipe for disaster, for so many reasons.
 
2012-12-09 11:26:03 AM
Basically his choice was to let go of the car or execute the driver, and he chose execution.
 
2012-12-09 11:26:11 AM
"Although the suspects did get away, Houston police found the car a short time later at a nearby apartment complex. One of the women inside the vehicle was dead from a gunshot wound"


Maybe her partner shot her and she's pinning it on the cop! I've busted this case wide open!

/Dying from a gunshot wound is a form of "getting away", I suppose
 
2012-12-09 11:26:25 AM
Smart Houston shoplifters pick Fiesta Mart. That way, you're armed to the teeth when the police show up.
 
2012-12-09 11:26:32 AM

titwrench: She is no victim. She decided to commit a crime as soon as she carried out that crime she ceased to be a victim.


That's...that's now how the definition of victim works.
 
2012-12-09 11:26:32 AM

BlackMtnMan: I'm still trying to find the dammm kids. WTF?


Presumably subby was talking about the other two shoplifters, ages 27 and 38. Not that it would surprise me if they actually did bring kids along. They would probably make you look less suspicious as a shoplifter or you might think they'd afford you a little leniency. Or maybe you just can't find a babysitter.
 
2012-12-09 11:27:06 AM

Digital Communist: Letting cops act as mercenaries in the private sector is a recipe for disaster, for so many reasons.


But it worked so well in Iraq!
 
2012-12-09 11:27:09 AM
BronyMedic: ButterMule: Kill cops because cops kill.

[globalnerdy.com image 350x514]

You should take your own advice. Don't wait on others. Pick up the nearest gun and charge a police station. Be an Hero to us all.


The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure.

Interesting to see how often keyboard kommandoes omit the bolded word in that quotation. It's like they believe their freedom and actions should be costless to themselves.
 
2012-12-09 11:27:40 AM
If the cop splattered her blood all over the merchandise, does the cop have to pay for it? Because clearly the merchandise is much more important than a human life in these instances.
 
2012-12-09 11:27:46 AM

BronyMedic: filter: In the civilized world, this is considered murder.

A human life for a property crime? Maybe in Saudi Arabia.

Uh, what? The guy didn't shoot her for driving away with property. TFA indicates he shot her because he was being dragged by the vehicle when he tried to stop her from driving off, after she slugged him. If you drag a cop, you're probably going to get shot by him.


Was this a uniformed cop?
 
2012-12-09 11:28:43 AM

BravadoGT: One more thing--she was already on probation for shoplifting...from Walmart! As part of her probation, she wasn't even allowed to be in a Walmart...

Here's a pic of the delicate little flower...


Well that's it then. One count of being in a Wal*Mart without permission. Death penalty!
 
2012-12-09 11:28:52 AM

filter: Was this a uniformed cop?


Yeah. I've linked several articles in the thread which state he was wearing his full Sheriff's uniform, with permission from his department. There was no mistaking him for a rent-a-cop.
 
2012-12-09 11:28:58 AM
Fact: all cops are in fear for their lives, which means that they feel that their actions are justified at all times.
 
2012-12-09 11:29:05 AM

Cubicle Jockey: titwrench: She is no victim. She decided to commit a crime as soon as she carried out that crime she ceased to be a victim.

That's...that's nownot how the definition of victim works.


ftfm
 
2012-12-09 11:29:05 AM
The suspects were black which makes it a "good" kill.
 
2012-12-09 11:29:12 AM

BronyMedic: You're assuming a hell of a lot that isn't mentioned in ANY article I've seen. I've read five so far.


So.... welcome to Fark?

Actually, I would like to see where the bullet travel path(s) is. Are there bullet holes in the rear of the vehicle? Did he shoot point blank while still next to the vehicle? How many shots were fired? and so on

/awaiting followup thread
 
2012-12-09 11:30:28 AM

CreamFilling: BlackMtnMan: I'm still trying to find the dammm kids. WTF?

Presumably subby was talking about the other two shoplifters, ages 27 and 38. Not that it would surprise me if they actually did bring kids along. They would probably make you look less suspicious as a shoplifter or you might think they'd afford you a little leniency. Or maybe you just can't find a babysitter.



Or maybe they can be your mules since the children won't get arrested.
 
2012-12-09 11:30:36 AM

Wulfman: Fact: all cops are in fear for their lives, which means that they feel that their actions are justified at all times.


And everyone they encounter is a liar, drunk, druggie and a criminal.
 
2012-12-09 11:30:49 AM
This could have all been avoided if these three women didn't try to steal anything. This wasn't some law breaking that you can do accidentally, it took intent, and then they even ignored the cops that tried to stop them. There many points in this situation where they could have stopped their actions and one of them would still be alive.

Obviously they aren't keen to holding to the social contract. Their removal from society will not be detrimental to anyone.
 
2012-12-09 11:31:22 AM

Rich Cream: CreamFilling: BlackMtnMan: I'm still trying to find the dammm kids. WTF?

Presumably subby was talking about the other two shoplifters, ages 27 and 38. Not that it would surprise me if they actually did bring kids along. They would probably make you look less suspicious as a shoplifter or you might think they'd afford you a little leniency. Or maybe you just can't find a babysitter.


Or maybe they can be your mules since the children won't get arrested.


Overwatch. You equip them with some Tec9s, or some Glock 19s they hold sideways, and they can cover you while you run holding your pants up. But only if Chuck Norris is chasing you while "The Eyes of Texas Are Upon You" plays in the background.
 
2012-12-09 11:32:33 AM
Let's see -- a convicted shoplifter, in the store she was banned from... SHOPLIFTING. Runs over a cop trying to escape after stealing.

Yes, I'm going to go ahead and say that nothing of value was lost in this person being killed. Perhaps she should have followed the law and not stolen (again) Perhaps when a uniformed police officer asks you to stop you don't run him over with your car.

I don't know about you guys - but if you were being run over (and perhaps killed) you'd do everything you could to survive. Who was in the wrong first? The guy trying to do his job and stopping shop lifters... or the ghetto convicted felon?

This was a human piece of garbage who had she gotten away would just do it over and over again. (as she's already proven) It's surprising to me that there are people out there who defend and sometimes endorse this sort of behavior.

Why is it so hard to comprehend that if you lie/cheat/steal/and try to run over police officers - you pretty much deserve whatever you get. A bullet to the face means that shoplifting crime in the future goes down by 1. Society wins.

The next step in this saga is for Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson to pop out of the woodwork and go on and on about how the kids deserve 80 billion dollars because their black mom got caught and paid the ultimate price for her crime. As a side question - I'd love to know why ghetto black people think that the fact they are black gives them the right to break the law with little to no consequence. The fact she's black only does one thing: re-enforce the stereotype. (they exist for a reason you know)

Black, white, yellow, purple - you deserve the same thing. The cop did a good job. Before anyone says "oh the poor kids" well if their mom cared about them in the slightest she'd stop spending so much money on makeup and stop stealing from Walmart.

Call me whatever you like - but I'd love to see more endings like this, after a few months when would be criminals realize: "crap I might die if I steal that DVD or rob that guy" -- crime would decrease at the same time we could purge an undesired element from the realm of the living.
 
2012-12-09 11:32:42 AM

BravadoGT: ... the officer... Cops... the cop... the cop... no one's going to give much of a second thought about blessing a shooting under those circumstances.


Let's be honest here.
 
2012-12-09 11:34:33 AM

BronyMedic: Rich Cream: By all means then, shoot her dead for petty larceny.

KellyKellyKelly: So clearly, she deserves death. Right.

The article seems to indicate she was shot because she tried to drive off and drug the guy with her, not because she stole something. Which if that's the case, IS legal grounds for using lethal force.


How come cops are the only people who get drug along with cars? I almost never hear of it happening to others. I think if the cop is responsible for escalating the situation unnecessarily, then perhaps lethal force is not called for. IDK.

However, because I am disagreeing with you, I'm not calling you a freaking moron or a boot licker. I want to be clear on that, because last time I did, I apparently hurt someones feelings and got a vacation for it. I know you wouldnt be that wussified, but someone was, and I want to make it clear that I am not disparaging you in any way, because I certainly wouldnt want some pussy whining about it.
 
2012-12-09 11:35:04 AM

Zeno-25: Newsflash: vehicular assault on a police officer is considered an attempt on an officer's life and gets people shot all the time.

[i1.kym-cdn.com image 200x200]


Newsflash. The woman he shot and killed was a passenger in the car. The woman he shot and killed was not the driver. The woman he shot and killed was not the one that hit him in front of Walmart. Please continue to tell me how this "cop" was so afraidfor his life that it's totes ok for him to just randomly fire off his weapon killing the passenger of a car in Walmart Parking lot.
 
2012-12-09 11:36:04 AM

Digital Communist: Letting cops act as mercenaries in the private sector is a recipe for disaster, for so many reasons.



Forget the fascism aspect of it, how about the You Didn't Train That aspect. Public money used to train a stormtrooper for Wal-Mart; the retail front end of the Chinese Communist Empire.
 
2012-12-09 11:38:32 AM

Madbassist1: How come cops are the only people who get drug along with cars? I almost never hear of it happening to others. I think if the cop is responsible for escalating the situation unnecessarily, then perhaps lethal force is not called for. IDK.


I'm pretty sure that if you had a CCW, or an Armed Security Permit, and someone was maliciously dragging you down the road or trying to run you over, then it would be a justified use of lethal force for you too.

However, in this case, he was a uniformed police officer, there with official permission of his department, attempting to detain a suspect who then escalated the situation by trying to drive off with him in the way. Were she turning and he knocked down and unable to move out of the way, she could have backed over him, and at the point he thought that was her intention, it's the same as if she put a gun in his face.

Madbassist1: However, because I am disagreeing with you, I'm not calling you a freaking moron or a boot licker. I want to be clear on that, because last time I did, I apparently hurt someones feelings and got a vacation for it. I know you wouldnt be that wussified, but someone was, and I want to make it clear that I am not disparaging you in any way, because I certainly wouldnt want some pussy whining about it.


No. You're welcome to disagree with me in some manner that does not insult my race, sexuality, or saturday morning entertainment choices. I take you seriously when you do none of the above.
 
2012-12-09 11:38:32 AM
 
2012-12-09 11:38:46 AM

Cubicle Jockey: titwrench: She is no victim. She decided to commit a crime as soon as she carried out that crime she ceased to be a victim.

That's...that's now how the definition of victim works.


Way to pull half of what I said and remove the context of the statement. I am not writing a dictionary I am pointing out that calling her a victim for being killed during the commission of a crime is insulting to anyone with even the slightest bit of intelligence. Gabrielle Gifford is a victim, the innocent people killed in the Aurora movie theater shooting are victims. Bonnie and Clyde? Not victims. Had she surrendered and been thrown in hail would you still call her a victim? It would still be the consequence of her actions. She was a criminal plain and simple and sadly someone is now less one daughter, a sister a mom whatever because she chose to commit the crime but she is no victim.
 
2012-12-09 11:38:58 AM

accelerus: Let's see -- a convicted shoplifter, in the store she was banned from... SHOPLIFTING. Runs over a cop trying to escape after stealing.

Yes, I'm going to go ahead and say that nothing of value was lost in this person being killed. Perhaps she should have followed the law and not stolen (again) Perhaps when a uniformed police officer asks you to stop you don't run him over with your car.

I don't know about you guys - but if you were being run over (and perhaps killed) you'd do everything you could to survive. Who was in the wrong first? The guy trying to do his job and stopping shop lifters... or the ghetto convicted felon?

This was a human piece of garbage who had she gotten away would just do it over and over again. (as she's already proven) It's surprising to me that there are people out there who defend and sometimes endorse this sort of behavior.

Why is it so hard to comprehend that if you lie/cheat/steal/and try to run over police officers - you pretty much deserve whatever you get. A bullet to the face means that shoplifting crime in the future goes down by 1. Society wins.

The next step in this saga is for Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson to pop out of the woodwork and go on and on about how the kids deserve 80 billion dollars because their black mom got caught and paid the ultimate price for her crime. As a side question - I'd love to know why ghetto black people think that the fact they are black gives them the right to break the law with little to no consequence. The fact she's black only does one thing: re-enforce the stereotype. (they exist for a reason you know)

Black, white, yellow, purple - you deserve the same thing. The cop did a good job. Before anyone says "oh the poor kids" well if their mom cared about them in the slightest she'd stop spending so much money on makeup and stop stealing from Walmart.

Call me whatever you like - but I'd love to see more endings like this, after a few months when would be criminals realize: "crap I might die if I steal that DVD or rob that guy" -- crime would decrease at the same time we could purge an undesired element from the realm of the living.


i172.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-09 11:38:59 AM

Apik0r0s: Public money used to train a stormtrooper for Wal-Mart


Whoa, he actually hit and killed someone. Obviously not a Stormtrooper.
 
2012-12-09 11:39:06 AM

BravadoGT: One more thing--she was already on probation for shoplifting...from Walmart! As part of her probation, she wasn't even allowed to be in a Walmart...

Here's a pic of the delicate little flower...

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Having a record and looking frighteningly urban to white people makes it okay that she's dead over a misdemeanor.
 
2012-12-09 11:39:49 AM

Apik0r0s: Forget the fascism aspect of it, how about the You Didn't Train That aspect. Public money used to train a stormtrooper for Wal-Mart; the retail front end of the Chinese Communist Empire.


Except that's not what goes on. The department agrees to put him there off duty, as long as the store pays for his costs. It's the same thing large churches do on Sunday to get cops directing traffic, and private schools do to get an officer on campus during the daytime.
 
2012-12-09 11:40:05 AM

Cubicle Jockey: Mr. Carpenter: Off duty cop, he's a mall cop now

He was apparently in his service uniform however.

How does that work? You are an official police officer paid by Walmart directly?


He's not a mall cop, he's a police officer. On regular duty, on overtime, on special duty at WalMart, or asleep in his bed, he's a police officer.

As for pay, I'm unfamiliar with this particular Texas county and their pay proceedures. In my city, it works this way: A local club wants a cop as security for the night, so they call the police department. The PD quotes them an hourly rate (I'd assume 1.5 x top step pay + pension costs), and then the PD assigns the overtime based on internal proceedures. The officer is paid in his regular paycheck from the city, and the city is paid by the club.
 
2012-12-09 11:41:14 AM

BronyMedic: filter: In the civilized world, this is considered murder.

A human life for a property crime? Maybe in Saudi Arabia.

Uh, what? The guy didn't shoot her for driving away with property. TFA indicates he shot her because he was being dragged by the vehicle when he tried to stop her from driving off, after she slugged him. If you drag a cop, you're probably going to get shot by him.


So the cop put himself in a position of danger for some property? And someone was murdered.

Seems legit.
 
2012-12-09 11:41:42 AM

lizyrd: He's not a mall cop, he's a police officer. On regular duty, on overtime, on special duty at WalMart, or asleep in his bed, he's a police officer.


THIS.

While police departments, for the most part, discourage their officers from acting as such while off duty, they are still police officers when in their jurisdiction, and can still execute arrests when they witness a crime.
 
2012-12-09 11:41:42 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Basically his choice was to let go of the car or execute the driver, and he chose execution.


Except that he didn't execute the driver. I honestly don't see how people are missing this. THE WOMAN HE SHOT AND KILLED WAS NOT THE SAME WOMAN THAT HIT HIM WITH HER PURSE. THE WOMAN HE SHOT AND KILLED WAS NOT THE DRIVER OF THE CAR, SHE WAS A PASSENGER.
 
2012-12-09 11:42:35 AM

BronyMedic: Madbassist1: How come cops are the only people who get drug along with cars? I almost never hear of it happening to others. I think if the cop is responsible for escalating the situation unnecessarily, then perhaps lethal force is not called for. IDK.

I'm pretty sure that if you had a CCW, or an Armed Security Permit, and someone was maliciously dragging you down the road or trying to run you over, then it would be a justified use of lethal force for you too.

However, in this case, he was a uniformed police officer, there with official permission of his department, attempting to detain a suspect who then escalated the situation by trying to drive off with him in the way. Were she turning and he knocked down and unable to move out of the way, she could have backed over him, and at the point he thought that was her intention, it's the same as if she put a gun in his face.

Madbassist1: However, because I am disagreeing with you, I'm not calling you a freaking moron or a boot licker. I want to be clear on that, because last time I did, I apparently hurt someones feelings and got a vacation for it. I know you wouldnt be that wussified, but someone was, and I want to make it clear that I am not disparaging you in any way, because I certainly wouldnt want some pussy whining about it.

No. You're welcome to disagree with me in some manner that does not insult my race, sexuality, or saturday morning entertainment choices. I take you seriously when you do none of the above.


The perp didnt escalate the situation, he did by pursuing a petty theft suspect. He then killed a person who in no way was threatening him. All over a freaking misdemeanor.

No. You're welcome to disagree with me in some manner that does not insult my race, sexuality, or saturday morning entertainment choices. I take you seriously when you do none of the above.

Yes, but not, apparently, when someone makes you look like an idiot. That tends to get on your nerves.
 
2012-12-09 11:42:38 AM

StoPPeRmobile: So the cop put himself in a position of danger for some property? And someone was murdered.

Seems legit.


I'm trying to follow your logic here. No cop should put himself in the line of harm to apprehend a suspect who refuses to follow a lawful order from a clearly identified police officer, because they might end up having to shoot that suspect when they escalate to using lethal force to try to escape from arrest?
 
2012-12-09 11:43:03 AM
Even though there was no mention of race in the article, I knew she was black. Does that make me racist or just cynical?
 
2012-12-09 11:44:11 AM

Madbassist1: How come cops are the only people who get drug along with cars? I almost never hear of it happening to others.


Because, by and large, they are aggressive, angry drunks and wife beaters who feel that they are at odds with all of society and insta-rage on anything that gives them the smallest possible reason to. Nothing like a roid-rager to escalate an otherwise minor situation. One of the keys they look for in cop psych evals is Social Dissonance - an indication the the candidate feels all of society is sick and wrong, he being the only beacon of hope, light and goodness in a universe of impenetrable blackness. They want those people, they are chomping at the bit to bully the populace and likely not to break the blue wall of silence.

/used to fark a cop's wife while he was out intimidating blacks
//he beat her up three times I know of and crickets from local, county and state
///she lives with relatives now, off the grid out of fear
 
2012-12-09 11:44:34 AM

BronyMedic: While police departments, for the most part, discourage their officers from acting as such while off duty, they are still police officers when in their jurisdiction, and can still execute arrests shoplifters when they witness a crime.


ftfy
 
2012-12-09 11:44:52 AM

Madbassist1: How come cops are the only people who get drug along with cars?



Most people don't put themselves in the position of being next to a running car while interrogating a likely hostile person.
 
2012-12-09 11:45:20 AM

ox45tallboy: teaching her that smacking a cop with your purse is unacceptable to these gang members, and you will pay dearly with extreme force and malice. behavior in civilized society


fixed
 
2012-12-09 11:45:45 AM

BronyMedic: StoPPeRmobile: So the cop put himself in a position of danger for some property? And someone was murdered.

Seems legit.

I'm trying to follow your logic here. No cop should put himself in the line of harm to apprehend a suspect who refuses to follow a lawful order from a clearly identified police officer, because they might end up having to shoot that suspect when they escalate to using lethal force to try to escape from arrest?


The police should always shoot shoplifters that are escaping, because the merchandise is far more important than human life.
 
2012-12-09 11:46:20 AM

Madbassist1: Yes, but not, apparently, when someone makes you look like an idiot. That tends to get on your nerves.


No. I believe what got you a vacation was inferring that I'm a "fag who likes to slurp cop dick" repeatedly in a thread. Credit where credit is due. If this is the reason someone else got a vacation, and not you, I apologize for my confusion. I don't really pay attention to people who pull pathetic ad hominem. Apparantly the mods do, however.

Madbassist1: The perp didnt escalate the situation, he did by pursuing a petty theft suspect. He then killed a person who in no way was threatening him. All over a freaking misdemeanor.


Which really doesn't matter. Do you know why? He was acting as a Law Enforcement officer at the time, not a rent-a-cop. He was fully identifiable as a Sheriff Deputy. He gave a lawful order to stop, and she didn't. Instead, she smacked him upside the head with her purse, and ran to her car. When he followed her, FTFA, he tried to get her out of the car, at which point she put the car in gear, and gunned it. He thought he was going to be run over or dragged. That most certainly is justifiable lethal force, even for a non-cop. Her decisions got her shot, not the "cop pursuing a suspect."
 
2012-12-09 11:46:29 AM

Madbassist1: How come cops are the only people who get drug along with cars? I almost never hear of it happening to others.


I always thought it was only drunk midwestern girls, who wear their old ill-fitting prom dress every time they go out on the town, who get dragged by cars. Then again, the only place I've noticed a trend of people being dragged by cars is West Hollywood, so my perception might be a little provincial.
 
2012-12-09 11:46:37 AM

BronyMedic: Apik0r0s: Forget the fascism aspect of it, how about the You Didn't Train That aspect. Public money used to train a stormtrooper for Wal-Mart; the retail front end of the Chinese Communist Empire.

Except that's not what goes on. The department agrees to put him there off duty, as long as the store pays for his costs. It's the same thing large churches do on Sunday to get cops directing traffic, and private schools do to get an officer on campus during the daytime.


Otherwise known as the use of public resources for Private enterprise.

And fark churches, they don't pay taxes. The only time they should get a cop is when they show up to burn their cult compund to the ground.
 
2012-12-09 11:47:43 AM

Marcus Aurelius: The police should always shoot shoplifters that are escaping, because the merchandise is far more important than human lifePeople who are trying to run them the fark over..


Fixed that for you. Honest mistake, I'm sure. I bet you didn't RTFA, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
 
2012-12-09 11:48:27 AM
Two things I will add:

1 ) At this point in our society - I place much less importance on the value of items stolen, and more so the principle of the matter. If she'd have gotten away then what? a few dollars worth of profit off the retailers books? No big deal in the grand scheme of things really. And you can argue easily that a life is worth more than a few dollars. The problem is we have so many people these days that don't want to obey the law, they feel they have a right (based on skin color or whatever else) that it's okay to steal. Multiply this issue by millions of times all over the country and you are looking at a lot of lost value due to people that are little more than sand in the gears of society. Should society just "accept" these crimes and pay higher prices in the end so people like this can get away with it?

2) Anyone else find it a bit funny and or "par for the course" that the group of women who did this got away, they found the car, and the dead woman inside. Says a lot for the classiness and mutual respect in their group if after stealing from walmart, you just ditch your dead or dying friend and run away without trying to help or call police or ambulance people. Just another tidbit that gives you an idea of how good/honest/worthy people like this are.

At the end of the day -- some ghetto piece of trash assaulted an officer with both her purse and her car while committing a crime. Every low brow piece of crap is going to try to defend her actions and say how she was really just a super nice person.

It really is shocking how easy you can get through life when you live within your means, pay your bills, and DON'T commit a string of repeat thefts.
 
2012-12-09 11:48:51 AM

Apik0r0s: BronyMedic: Apik0r0s: Forget the fascism aspect of it, how about the You Didn't Train That aspect. Public money used to train a stormtrooper for Wal-Mart; the retail front end of the Chinese Communist Empire.

Except that's not what goes on. The department agrees to put him there off duty, as long as the store pays for his costs. It's the same thing large churches do on Sunday to get cops directing traffic, and private schools do to get an officer on campus during the daytime.

Otherwise known as the use of public resources for Private enterprise.

And fark churches, they don't pay taxes. The only time they should get a cop is when they show up to burn their cult compund to the ground.



I want to biatch that the people leaving the lot are given preference over the people already on the road. Damn holier-than-thous.

/hijack
 
2012-12-09 11:48:53 AM
This thread is packed full of absolutes. They are not to be questioned, debated, or contextualized. USA! USA!

crime → no longer legitimate member of society → disobedience → death
officer of the law → disobedience → fear of life → death
 
2012-12-09 11:49:37 AM

Apik0r0s: Otherwise known as the use of public resources for Private enterprise.


Not really. Since the police are either off duty, or reserve/volunteer, there is no cost to the taxpayers. In addition, any equipment use and salary/overtime is paid in full by the entity using their services.

Apik0r0s: And fark churches, they don't pay taxes. The only time they should get a cop is when they show up to burn their cult compund to the ground.


Damn, dude. I'm a "militant atheist", and even I found this callous.
 
2012-12-09 11:50:36 AM

Rich Cream: Madbassist1: How come cops are the only people who get drug along with cars?


Most people don't put themselves in the position of being next to a running car while interrogating a likely hostile person.


sounds like that cop needs to learn to work smarter, not harder.
 
2012-12-09 11:51:16 AM

CreamFilling: ox45tallboy: Wal-Mart could very well face some liability in a wrongful death suit, especially if it is proven he fired into a vehicle moving away from him.

The vehicle wasn't moving away from him. It was dragging him along with it.


Oh wow, somebody actually RTFA instead of just jumping into the hatewalmartmutualmasturbation orgy like unthinking little twats. Yeah, I'd be in fear of my life too if I was being dragged along by a moving car. Here, let me shed some tears for the dead shoplifter/attempted murderer: sniff. OK, that's out of the way.

Coincidentally, I saw a "mass shoplift" last night at Walmart in Westminster. I'd just left the store and suddenly the electronic door alarm started going nuts. I turned and saw at least 25-30 people quickly leaving, one after the other. The alarm did its thing each time one of them exited. Each person walked quickly (power-walking) in a different direction into the parking lot ("fanning out"), got in their cars and left by different exits. The old Walmart guy at the exit was just standing there staring and shaking his head (seriously, what could he do?). I went back and talked with him; he said they had been alerted that another Walmart had been hit the night before by apparently the same group.
 
2012-12-09 11:52:05 AM
I have no problem executing shoplifters right on the spot.
 
2012-12-09 11:52:09 AM

BronyMedic: Marcus Aurelius: The police should always shoot shoplifters that are escaping, because the merchandise is far more important than human lifePeople who are trying to run them the fark over..

Fixed that for you. Honest mistake, I'm sure. I bet you didn't RTFA, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.


The story says he was at the driver's door, not in front of the car.

A cop is just a thug with a badge and a gun and a license to kill.
 
2012-12-09 11:52:25 AM

BronyMedic: Madbassist1: Yes, but not, apparently, when someone makes you look like an idiot. That tends to get on your nerves.

No. I believe what got you a vacation was inferring that I'm a "fag who likes to slurp cop dick" repeatedly in a thread. Credit where credit is due. If this is the reason someone else got a vacation, and not you, I apologize for my confusion. I don't really pay attention to people who pull pathetic ad hominem. Apparantly the mods do, however.


LOL wow. grow a skin, you wuss.
 
2012-12-09 11:52:46 AM

Cubicle Jockey: Tazandra: And also the car was actually going in reverse, according to the police report,

There is a discrepancy with regards to this.

FTA: "Additional reports stated that the deputy then opened the door and commanded the driver to stop. Instead of stopping the car, the woman put it in drive, revving forward and dragging the deputy."


If you are only going by the 1 linked in fark then yes, it says it's going forward. However I have read several different reports that also state it was going in reverse. Either way she was driving a car with the door open and an officer hanging onto it...
 
2012-12-09 11:53:07 AM

BronyMedic: StoPPeRmobile: So the cop put himself in a position of danger for some property? And someone was murdered.

Seems legit.

I'm trying to follow your logic here. No cop should put himself in the line of harm to apprehend a suspect who refuses to follow a lawful order from a clearly identified police officer, because they might end up having to shoot that suspect when they escalate to using lethal force to try to escape from arrest?


aphelis.net
 
2012-12-09 11:53:36 AM

LazerFish: Even though there was no mention of race in the article, I knew she was black. Does that make me racist or just cynical?


Racist. Color shouldn't matter.


And as pointed out... The woman killed was the passenger- not the perpetrator.
 
2012-12-09 11:53:50 AM

accelerus: Two things I will add:

1 ) At this point in our society - I place much less importance on the value of items stolen, and more so the principle of the matter. If she'd have gotten away then what? a few dollars worth of profit off the retailers books? No big deal in the grand scheme of things really. And you can argue easily that a life is worth more than a few dollars. The problem is we have so many people these days that don't want to obey the law, they feel they have a right (based on skin color or whatever else) that it's okay to steal. Multiply this issue by millions of times all over the country and you are looking at a lot of lost value due to people that are little more than sand in the gears of society. Should society just "accept" these crimes and pay higher prices in the end so people like this can get away with it?

2) Anyone else find it a bit funny and or "par for the course" that the group of women who did this got away, they found the car, and the dead woman inside. Says a lot for the classiness and mutual respect in their group if after stealing from walmart, you just ditch your dead or dying friend and run away without trying to help or call police or ambulance people. Just another tidbit that gives you an idea of how good/honest/worthy people like this are.

At the end of the day -- some ghetto piece of trash assaulted an officer with both her purse and her car while committing a crime. Every low brow piece of crap is going to try to defend her actions and say how she was really just a super nice person.

It really is shocking how easy you can get through life when you live within your means, pay your bills, and DON'T commit a string of repeat thefts.


THE WOMAN THAT WAS SHOT AND KILLED WAS NOT THE SAME WOMAN THAT ASSAULTED THE COP, NOR WAS SHE THE DRIVER OF THE CAR. THE WOMAN THAT WAS SHOT AND KILLED WAS A PASSENGER.
 
2012-12-09 11:53:58 AM

AbbeySomeone: DON.MAC: CreamFilling: ox45tallboy: Wal-Mart could very well face some liability in a wrongful death suit, especially if it is proven he fired into a vehicle moving away from him.

The vehicle wasn't moving away from him. It was dragging him along with it.

That depends on which story you read.

Perhaps if he hadn't attempted to force his way into the vehicle this may not have happened.


gawdd dayum!! I'm pretty left leaning BUT I can;t believe so many of your farkers are actually on the side of the shop lifters!!!

Unless the article was 100% BS, it was clear the cop didn;t just randomly shot at the vehicle! He was obviously very close range, there was an altercation between him and the fools prior to it and while I tend to NOT give the benefit of the doubt to cops in most cases I seriously doubt he just shot for the sake of shooting in this case!!!

All I have to say is nothing of value was lost.
 
2012-12-09 11:54:35 AM
nice try Trollmitter...

she tried to run him over.
 
2012-12-09 11:54:40 AM
Woman was not shot for shoplifting (although shoplifters are scum and should be made to work hard labor to pay back everything they've stolen).

She was shot because she thought it would be okay to drag someone with her car and endanger their life. Stupid people do stupid things.

But... this is Fark. The bitter people who have too many speeding/possession/D.C. tickets and can't manage to avoid police contact have to stick up for the thieves. It's sad.
 
2012-12-09 11:54:42 AM
All the cop hate/shoplifter hate isn't necessary in this situation. Both parties were fully aware of the principle.

i915.photobucket.com

If you chase a criminal, you're in the game.

If you're a thief beating on and fleeing a cop, you're in the game.
 
2012-12-09 11:54:48 AM
FTA: Instead of stopping the car, the woman put it in drive, revving forward and dragging the deputy. It was then that the deputy fired his weapon as the vehicle sped away

Apparently, subby thinks that a thief attempting to escape in a vehicle dragging subby along as said thief does so is not a threat to his life
 
2012-12-09 11:54:56 AM

Marcus Aurelius: The story says he was at the driver's door, not in front of the car.


Except that spending two seconds on google would lead you to more articles which indicate that is not the case, and she actually apparently did drag the deputy.

Marcus Aurelius: A cop is just a thug with a badge and a gun and a license to kill.


i306.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-09 11:55:16 AM

fusillade762: ox45tallboy: I don't want to go too far into conjecture, but if a woman smacks a cop with her purse, regardless of if she had a good reason, the cop is probably not going to be happy about it, and might decide to chase after her. He's probably not going to let her drive (or get into a car and ride) away without teaching her that smacking a cop with your purse is unacceptable behavior in civilized society. Some cops, depending on the circumstances, might feel that a brief verbal exposition might be sufficient; others might feel that there should be some kind of physical reinforcement to the lesson. Virtually none, however, will let it slide, as this is seen as an affront not merely to the individual cop, but to the badge.

Off-duty cops hired by WalMart wear "the badge"?


It's a mindset, dumbass. You don't switch off your brain when you go to your second job. Human nature. how does it work?
 
2012-12-09 11:55:22 AM

Mr. Carpenter: THE WOMAN THAT WAS SHOT AND KILLED WAS NOT THE SAME WOMAN THAT ASSAULTED THE COP, NOR WAS SHE THE DRIVER OF THE CAR. THE WOMAN THAT WAS SHOT AND KILLED WAS A PASSENGER.


So, roid raging donut gobbler killed the wrong person? Is there such a thing as the "wrong" person if all 3 are black?
 
2012-12-09 11:55:36 AM

Madbassist1: LOL wow. grow a skin, you wuss.


Don't be a pathetic troll, bro.
 
2012-12-09 11:55:39 AM

Marcus Aurelius: A cop is just a thug with a badge and a gun and a license to kill.


I knew quite a few cops that would disagree with you... strongly.

 
2012-12-09 11:57:20 AM

Fista-Phobia: This thread is packed full of absolutes. They are not to be questioned, debated, or contextualized. USA! USA!

crime → no longer legitimate member of society → disobedience → death
officer of the law → disobedience → fear of life → death


Put down the pipe. Slowly.
 
2012-12-09 11:57:33 AM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: FTA: Instead of stopping the car, the woman put it in drive, revving forward and dragging the deputy. It was then that the deputy fired his weapon as the vehicle sped away

Apparently, subby thinks that a thief attempting to escape in a vehicle dragging subby along as said thief does so is not a threat to his life


Did this car have suicide doors? How does it move forward and drag a person in the door area?
 
2012-12-09 11:57:37 AM

tukatz: Woman was not shot for shoplifting (although shoplifters are scum and should be made to work hard labor to pay back everything they've stolen).

She was shot because she thought it would be okay to drag someone with her car and endanger their life. Stupid people do stupid things.

But... this is Fark. The bitter people who have too many speeding/possession/D.C. tickets and can't manage to avoid police contact have to stick up for the thieves. It's sad.


The woman that was shot and killed was not the same woman that hit him with her purse, nor was she the driver of the car. He shot and killed a passenger.
 
2012-12-09 11:58:29 AM

burning_bridge: BravadoGT: One more thing--she was already on probation for shoplifting...from Walmart! As part of her probation, she wasn't even allowed to be in a Walmart...

Here's a pic of the delicate little flower...

[www.digitaljournal.com image 281x371]


Having a record and looking frighteningly urban to white people makes it okay that she's dead over a misdemeanor.


Wow, you really summed it up! All us white people are terrified if people life her and a are do happy she's dead. And it couldn't be she's dead because she refused to follow the instructions given to get by a law enforcement officer or that she tried to injure our kill said officer by dragging him with get car.

Usually I'm not in Tyne side of the police, as I get tired of hearing about the over use of force. However, this isn't one of those times, this lady committed a crime, tried to glee when caught and in the process and put an citizen's life in jeopardy due to get own actions and decisions. She's dead because she was an idiot.
 
2012-12-09 11:58:59 AM
Funny how it is always the Fark Independent bootstrap personal responsibility less Government crowd that always shows up to lick the boots of authority and crow over a dead minority.
 
2012-12-09 11:59:33 AM

Mr. Carpenter: tukatz: Woman was not shot for shoplifting (although shoplifters are scum and should be made to work hard labor to pay back everything they've stolen).

She was shot because she thought it would be okay to drag someone with her car and endanger their life. Stupid people do stupid things.

But... this is Fark. The bitter people who have too many speeding/possession/D.C. tickets and can't manage to avoid police contact have to stick up for the thieves. It's sad.

The woman that was shot and killed was not the same woman that hit him with her purse, nor was she the driver of the car. He shot and killed a passenger.


Parties to a crime are just as responsible for their actions of their partners as had they committed the act themselves.
 
2012-12-09 11:59:43 AM

Mr. Carpenter: The woman that was shot and killed was not the same woman that hit him with her purse, nor was she the driver of the car. He shot and killed a passenger.


This article disagrees with that statement.
So does this one.
 
2012-12-09 12:00:24 PM
And nothing of value was lost.
 
2012-12-09 12:00:32 PM

Mr. Carpenter: accelerus: Two things I will add:

1 ) At this point in our society - I place much less importance on the value of items stolen, and more so the principle of the matter. If she'd have gotten away then what? a few dollars worth of profit off the retailers books? No big deal in the grand scheme of things really. And you can argue easily that a life is worth more than a few dollars. The problem is we have so many people these days that don't want to obey the law, they feel they have a right (based on skin color or whatever else) that it's okay to steal. Multiply this issue by millions of times all over the country and you are looking at a lot of lost value due to people that are little more than sand in the gears of society. Should society just "accept" these crimes and pay higher prices in the end so people like this can get away with it?

2) Anyone else find it a bit funny and or "par for the course" that the group of women who did this got away, they found the car, and the dead woman inside. Says a lot for the classiness and mutual respect in their group if after stealing from walmart, you just ditch your dead or dying friend and run away without trying to help or call police or ambulance people. Just another tidbit that gives you an idea of how good/honest/worthy people like this are.

At the end of the day -- some ghetto piece of trash assaulted an officer with both her purse and her car while committing a crime. Every low brow piece of crap is going to try to defend her actions and say how she was really just a super nice person.

It really is shocking how easy you can get through life when you live within your means, pay your bills, and DON'T commit a string of repeat thefts.

THE WOMAN THAT WAS SHOT AND KILLED WAS NOT THE SAME WOMAN THAT ASSAULTED THE COP, NOR WAS SHE THE DRIVER OF THE CAR. THE WOMAN THAT WAS SHOT AND KILLED WAS A PASSENGER.


Maybe she shouldn't be shoplifting with the piece of sh_t who assaulted the cop and tried to hit him with her car. You will be amazed at how much safer and nicer your life is when you don't go on crime sprees with those type of people.
 
2012-12-09 12:00:39 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: CreamFilling: ox45tallboy: Wal-Mart could very well face some liability in a wrongful death suit, especially if it is proven he fired into a vehicle moving away from him.

The vehicle wasn't moving away from him. It was dragging him along with it.

Oh wow, somebody actually RTFA...>

Only CreamFilling didn't comprehend what he was reading if that's what he took from TFA, which clearly states that

1) the deputy opened the car door and stepped between the door and the car seat to confront the driver
2) the driver put the car in a forward gear and drove AWAY from the deputy

Ergo, the only way for the car to drag the deputy was for him to be handing onto the door or the b-pillar.

Finally, the deputy shot and killed the PASSENGER of the car, not the driver.

Wal-Mart and the Harris county sheriff department will be paying big bucks in the civil lawsuit.

 
MFK
2012-12-09 12:00:52 PM

BronyMedic: MFK: Ooba Tooba: Lots of trolling here. Don't hit, and drag a police officer. Bad things will happen. Did they not know this? One less thug.

I don't suppose it's occurred to you that the "bad things will happen" could actually be the problem?

Or the problem could be that the woman tried to mow down a cop with her car.

The officer was in his Sheriff Department uniform and clearly identified as law enforcement, not as a private security guard. In addition, he was knocked off his feet, and felt like he was in danger of being ran over by the tires.


From the links you posted:

1st link: But when he approached the women in the parking lot, the driver hit the gas, almost dragging the deputy who was at the door of the vehicle. That's when the deputy fired.

2nd link: "I think it knocked him off balance and, in fear of his life and being ran over, he discharged his weapon at that point," said Thomas Gilliland, Harris County Sheriff's Office.

fearing for his life my ass. This is obviously a case of "biatch didn't listen" and he's trying to cover his ass with "I was in fear for my life by being almost knocked off balance somehow"
 
2012-12-09 12:00:59 PM

tukatz: Fista-Phobia: This thread is packed full of absolutes. They are not to be questioned, debated, or contextualized. USA! USA!

crime → no longer legitimate member of society → disobedience → death
officer of the law → disobedience → fear of life → death

Put down the pipe. Slowly.


Exactly.
 
2012-12-09 12:01:40 PM
Fell for it again. That chick ain't hot.


/oh, shot? nvm
 
2012-12-09 12:01:41 PM

Madbassist1: LOL wow. grow a skin, you wuss.


Wait.

Wait, wait wait.

I just realized how pathetic this is, dude.

You're mad at me because you childishly broke the FArQ, and then got a time-out for it?

That's sad. I get them all the time, and I never call someone out for it. In violation of the FArQ. Wow.

assets.diylol.com
 
2012-12-09 12:02:13 PM
Reading the facts of this case....and not the usual White Guilt Liberal spin....sounds like this LEO had every right to shoot....especially being dragged along.

But, I am sure the usual assortment of White Guilt Liberals, Criminal Rights NutJobs, and Gun Control Fascists will try to make this cops life miserable for awhile....even though he was trying to stop Three Habitual Criminals.

Oh, and the fathers comments are precious. What, is this Tracy Martin?
 
2012-12-09 12:02:28 PM

Apik0r0s: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: FTA: Instead of stopping the car, the woman put it in drive, revving forward and dragging the deputy. It was then that the deputy fired his weapon as the vehicle sped away

Apparently, subby thinks that a thief attempting to escape in a vehicle dragging subby along as said thief does so is not a threat to his life

Did this car have suicide doors? How does it move forward and drag a person in the door area?


She was in reverse. That's how you normally get out of parking spots. One of the articles mentioned this little tidbit of information.
 
2012-12-09 12:02:32 PM

AbbeySomeone: DON.MAC: CreamFilling: ox45tallboy: Wal-Mart could very well face some liability in a wrongful death suit, especially if it is proven he fired into a vehicle moving away from him.

The vehicle wasn't moving away from him. It was dragging him along with it.

That depends on which story you read.

Perhaps if he hadn't attempted to force his way into the vehicle this may not have happened.


Maybe if she had listened to a law enforcement officer with a gun this may not have happened. Or didn't steal-that would be a good place to start.
 
2012-12-09 12:03:30 PM

BravadoGT: Mr. Carpenter: tukatz: Woman was not shot for shoplifting (although shoplifters are scum and should be made to work hard labor to pay back everything they've stolen).

She was shot because she thought it would be okay to drag someone with her car and endanger their life. Stupid people do stupid things.

But... this is Fark. The bitter people who have too many speeding/possession/D.C. tickets and can't manage to avoid police contact have to stick up for the thieves. It's sad.

The woman that was shot and killed was not the same woman that hit him with her purse, nor was she the driver of the car. He shot and killed a passenger.

Parties to a crime are just as responsible for their actions of their partners as had they committed the act themselves.


I'm sorry I completely ruined this moronic narrative you have going on. But exactly which bizzaro world did you get your GED in law in?

God I hope the next cab you step foot in gets lit up by the cops because the driver was smuggling narcotics, then we can all talk about what a massive felon you were and obviously deserved to die.
 
2012-12-09 12:03:34 PM

MFK: fearing for his life my ass. This is obviously a case of "biatch didn't listen" and he's trying to cover his ass with "I was in fear for my life by being almost knocked off balance somehow"


And your evidence for this is two different news agencies publishing two different articles at two different times?
 
2012-12-09 12:03:48 PM
Subby, I'll dump on dumb cops anytime but this incident is not as you headlined it. Not nice.
 
2012-12-09 12:04:02 PM

BravadoGT: Theaetetus: BravadoGT: Theaetetus: BravadoGT: Reading this from Lubbock Online-It sounds like a good shooting:

HOUSTON

Authorities are investigating the fatal shooting of a suspected shoplifter by a sheriff's deputy during a confrontation outside a Houston-area Wal-Mart store.

Officials say Harris County sheriff's Deputy Louis Campbell confronted several female suspects suspected of stealing from the store Thursday evening.

Sheriff's spokesman Thomas Gilliland says Campbell chased one of the suspects after she hit him. The woman then entered a car. Gilliland says that when Campbell opened the car's door, the vehicle accelerated. The deputy was standing between the car door and driver's seat and, fearing for his life, fired his weapon.

[image.shutterstock.com image 300x470]
What a person standing between a car door and driver's seat may look like.

I don't think he's in danger unless the car is going backwards.

Right, because there's no way once the car starts moving and knocks him balance, he could fall under the rear wheels....

Gosh, you're right... I hadn't thought of that. Mind you, that could happen any time anyone is standing near a car, so therefore, we're justified in shooting the driver if we're within 5 feet while they're moving.

If you're a police officer in the lawful exercise of your duty and have given the individual a lawful order to stop, and that individual has refused and as a consequence-placed your life in danger. Then yes, you are justified.

I'm not giving you my opinion, I'm just telling you how the law reads (at least in my state, which I would bet is very similar to Texas in this respect).


Wow your so full of shiat your eyesocket just farted. You have no knowledge of Texas law, don't even bother looking Texas law up and yet you still feel your baseless opinion is correct. Why is you opinion correct? Show proof or shut your stink hole. All of them. No one wants to know how the only thing that makes you hard is a hand full of viagra and cops.
 
2012-12-09 12:04:05 PM

Apik0r0s: Did this car have suicide doors? How does it move forward and drag a person in the door area?


i.ytimg.comi.dailymail.co.ukimg.kendincos.comi.dailymail.co.uk

Warning: GIS for "dragged by car" not safe for breakfast.
 
2012-12-09 12:05:11 PM

Apik0r0s: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: FTA: Instead of stopping the car, the woman put it in drive, revving forward and dragging the deputy. It was then that the deputy fired his weapon as the vehicle sped away

Apparently, subby thinks that a thief attempting to escape in a vehicle dragging subby along as said thief does so is not a threat to his life

Did this car have suicide doors? How does it move forward and drag a person in the door area?


Because the cop didn't want to let go of a suspect that was trying to get away.
 
2012-12-09 12:05:29 PM

edmo: Subby, I'll dump on dumb cops anytime but this incident is not as you headlined it. Not nice.


I hope subby brought a bigger boat. The only thing that could have trolled people more could have been something about Gay Atheists and their War on Christmas, brought to you by Fox News.
 
2012-12-09 12:05:53 PM

BronyMedic: Marcus Aurelius: The story says he was at the driver's door, not in front of the car.

Except that spending two seconds on google would lead you to more articles which indicate that is not the case, and she actually apparently did drag the deputy.

Marcus Aurelius: A cop is just a thug with a badge and a gun and a license to kill.

[i306.photobucket.com image 500x293]


Here is a good story on typical cop behavior.

Or how about the time the police burned down an entire city block in Philadelphia?

I won't bother to post the endless stories of cops shooting hundreds of rounds into an unarmed "suspect"'s car.

I could go on ALL DAY.
 
2012-12-09 12:06:38 PM

Big_Doofus: Apik0r0s: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: FTA: Instead of stopping the car, the woman put it in drive, revving forward and dragging the deputy. It was then that the deputy fired his weapon as the vehicle sped away

Apparently, subby thinks that a thief attempting to escape in a vehicle dragging subby along as said thief does so is not a threat to his life

Did this car have suicide doors? How does it move forward and drag a person in the door area?

She was in reverse. That's how you normally get out of parking spots. One of the articles mentioned this little tidbit of information.

 
2012-12-09 12:06:56 PM

Godscrack: Via Infinito: thamike: I think you may have left something out, subby.

Yeah, maybe the part about the cop getting dragged as the car sped away.

The cop should have thought of the consequences before holding on, trying to be another Christmas hero.


The shoplifter should have thought of the consequences before putting the car in gear and trying to kill a cop.
 
2012-12-09 12:07:22 PM

BronyMedic: Marcus Aurelius: The story says he was at the driver's door, not in front of the car.

Except that spending two seconds on google would lead you to more articles which indicate that is not the case, and she actually apparently did drag the deputy.


When you start off a sentence with "except," then the rest of the sentence has to contradict what you're replying to. Your links about whether or not he was allegedly dragged don't actually change the fact that he was at the driver's door, not in front of the car. In fact, one link says:
He opened her door and commanded her to stop, but she would not give up.
The woman allegedly put the car in drive and revved forward, dragging the deputy.

Thus, whether or not he was "dragged", he was decidedly not "in front of the car".
 
2012-12-09 12:07:37 PM

HotWingConspiracy: So many good little boot lickers in these threads, it's pretty sad.


So many bad ass little internet tough guys as well, it's also sad.
 
2012-12-09 12:07:43 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Here is a good story on typical cop behavior.

Or how about the time the police burned down an entire city block in Philadelphia?

I won't bother to post the endless stories of cops shooting hundreds of rounds into an unarmed "suspect"'s car.

I could go on ALL DAY.


And this is relevant to this situation how, exactly? Uh, was this guy involved in any of those incidents you listed? Am I defending anyone involved in any of those?

Answer Key:
1) It's not.
2) No.
3) Nope.

people.virginia.edu
 
2012-12-09 12:08:02 PM

Rich Cream: Big_Doofus: Apik0r0s: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: FTA: Instead of stopping the car, the woman put it in drive, revving forward and dragging the deputy. It was then that the deputy fired his weapon as the vehicle sped away

Apparently, subby thinks that a thief attempting to escape in a vehicle dragging subby along as said thief does so is not a threat to his life

Did this car have suicide doors? How does it move forward and drag a person in the door area?

She was in reverse. That's how you normally get out of parking spots. One of the articles mentioned this little tidbit of information.


Ah, the old reversey-forward.
 
2012-12-09 12:08:21 PM

Rozotorical: BravadoGT: Theaetetus: BravadoGT: Theaetetus: BravadoGT: Reading this from Lubbock Online-It sounds like a good shooting:

HOUSTON

Authorities are investigating the fatal shooting of a suspected shoplifter by a sheriff's deputy during a confrontation outside a Houston-area Wal-Mart store.

Officials say Harris County sheriff's Deputy Louis Campbell confronted several female suspects suspected of stealing from the store Thursday evening.

Sheriff's spokesman Thomas Gilliland says Campbell chased one of the suspects after she hit him. The woman then entered a car. Gilliland says that when Campbell opened the car's door, the vehicle accelerated. The deputy was standing between the car door and driver's seat and, fearing for his life, fired his weapon.

[image.shutterstock.com image 300x470]
What a person standing between a car door and driver's seat may look like.

I don't think he's in danger unless the car is going backwards.

Right, because there's no way once the car starts moving and knocks him balance, he could fall under the rear wheels....

Gosh, you're right... I hadn't thought of that. Mind you, that could happen any time anyone is standing near a car, so therefore, we're justified in shooting the driver if we're within 5 feet while they're moving.

If you're a police officer in the lawful exercise of your duty and have given the individual a lawful order to stop, and that individual has refused and as a consequence-placed your life in danger. Then yes, you are justified.

I'm not giving you my opinion, I'm just telling you how the law reads (at least in my state, which I would bet is very similar to Texas in this respect).

Wow your so full of shiat your eyesocket just farted. You have no knowledge of Texas law, don't even bother looking Texas law up and yet you still feel your baseless opinion is correct. Why is you opinion correct? Show proof or shut your stink hole. All of them. No one wants to know how the only thing that makes you hard is a hand full ...


I know Georgia Law, and I'm reasonably certain Texas' caselaw regarding justified officer-involved shootings is no more stringent than ours. Now get back to making my fries.
 
2012-12-09 12:09:10 PM

Big_Doofus: Apik0r0s: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: FTA: Instead of stopping the car, the woman put it in drive, revving forward and dragging the deputy. It was then that the deputy fired his weapon as the vehicle sped away

Apparently, subby thinks that a thief attempting to escape in a vehicle dragging subby along as said thief does so is not a threat to his life

Did this car have suicide doors? How does it move forward and drag a person in the door area?

She was in reverse. That's how you normally get out of parking spots. One of the articles mentioned this little tidbit of information.



Then why do you quote an article that says "revving forward"?

Or is this part of the article a mistake and you just know that because you can tell which are real facts and which ones are mistakes?
 
2012-12-09 12:09:30 PM

Big_Fat_Liar: willfullyobscure: 100 percent justified as the black lady was literally trying to kill him. hero cop.

Where in the article does it say the lady was black? Oh, never mind, I just remembered that the article said she was stealing....


It says everywhere the women were black. Who else goes into these stores, in an organized group, and blatantly stuffs their empty, over-sized purses with merchandise? I don't want to over-generalize, but this is a black crime, 100% of the time.
 
2012-12-09 12:10:12 PM

Big_Doofus: Mr. Carpenter: accelerus: Two things I will add:

1 ) At this point in our society - I place much less importance on the value of items stolen, and more so the principle of the matter. If she'd have gotten away then what? a few dollars worth of profit off the retailers books? No big deal in the grand scheme of things really. And you can argue easily that a life is worth more than a few dollars. The problem is we have so many people these days that don't want to obey the law, they feel they have a right (based on skin color or whatever else) that it's okay to steal. Multiply this issue by millions of times all over the country and you are looking at a lot of lost value due to people that are little more than sand in the gears of society. Should society just "accept" these crimes and pay higher prices in the end so people like this can get away with it?

2) Anyone else find it a bit funny and or "par for the course" that the group of women who did this got away, they found the car, and the dead woman inside. Says a lot for the classiness and mutual respect in their group if after stealing from walmart, you just ditch your dead or dying friend and run away without trying to help or call police or ambulance people. Just another tidbit that gives you an idea of how good/honest/worthy people like this are.

At the end of the day -- some ghetto piece of trash assaulted an officer with both her purse and her car while committing a crime. Every low brow piece of crap is going to try to defend her actions and say how she was really just a super nice person.

It really is shocking how easy you can get through life when you live within your means, pay your bills, and DON'T commit a string of repeat thefts.

THE WOMAN THAT WAS SHOT AND KILLED WAS NOT THE SAME WOMAN THAT ASSAULTED THE COP, NOR WAS SHE THE DRIVER OF THE CAR. THE WOMAN THAT WAS SHOT AND KILLED WAS A PASSENGER.

Maybe she shouldn't be shoplifting with the piece of sh_t who assaulted the cop and tried to hit ...


Yes, because guilt by association is now the law of the land and it's totally ok for the police to randomly fire their weapons at someone they weren't even sure was committing the crime, killing some random woman they weren't even firing at, because apparently that person knew a criminal.

You are so wise. You could be this generation's Solomen. Please give us more of your wise laws. Would it have been ok if he shot and killed the children nearby as well because they were witnesses to the crime? What about another driver? What about if the woman he shot and killed was 8 months pregnant and the child died? Please, give us your wisdom!
 
2012-12-09 12:10:26 PM

burning_bridge: BravadoGT: One more thing--she was already on probation for shoplifting...from Walmart! As part of her probation, she wasn't even allowed to be in a Walmart...

Here's a pic of the delicate little flower...

[www.digitaljournal.com image 281x371]


Having a record and looking frighteningly urban to white people makes it okay that she's dead over a misdemeanor.


"frighteningly urban"?

ur·ban
/ˈərbən/
Adjective
In, relating to, or characteristic of a city or town: "the urban population".

I live in a city, not the suburb. Must mean I'm urban, I usually dress in jeans and a t-shirt, or sometimes even shorts. She looked nothing like or my neighbors.

Maybe you meant to say "looking tacky"
 
2012-12-09 12:10:34 PM

Theaetetus: Thus, whether or not he was "dragged", he was decidedly not "in front of the car".


goodlawd.com

Being dragged by a car door can't hurt you, right?
 
2012-12-09 12:11:43 PM
Is hitting someone with the butt of a gun attempted murder or battery?

Why is a car always a deadly weapon used in a deadly manner?
 
2012-12-09 12:11:57 PM

fusillade762: But yeah, he doesn't have to obey WM policy, apparently.


When a company hires an officer, they are legally responsible for their actions... badge or not.

I'm sure Walmart didn't really want him to fire his weapon. Half that store now how a claim for PTSD and inability to work. No way the shoplifter got away with more merchandise than it will cost to settle some claims or deal with them in court.

Stores have these policies for a reason... it's cheaper to take some loss than to deal with the legal ramifications of employees doing something, especially given most employees are dumb as a sack of bricks.

Lets be realistic... odds are the goods stolen were
Not worth it. That's why those policies exist.

If it made fiscal sense, all employees would be armed and ordered to shoot to kill. The sole reason they don't do that is it would be a money loosing venture.
 
2012-12-09 12:12:09 PM

BronyMedic: Theaetetus: Thus, whether or not he was "dragged", he was decidedly not "in front of the car".

[goodlawd.com image 625x321]

Being dragged by a car door can't hurt you, right?



How exactly does one become attached to the car?

Seems you could simply let go.
 
2012-12-09 12:12:27 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Here is a good story on typical cop behavior.

Or how about the time the police burned down an entire city block in Philadelphia?

I won't bother to post the endless stories of cops shooting hundreds of rounds into an unarmed "suspect"'s car.

I could go on ALL DAY.




A good friend of mine was killed by the police because he was crossing 126th street in Harlem--with the light--when a speeding cop car with no lights on knocked him right out of his shoes on a "black teens possibly smoking marijuana" call.

I don't use that as a metric to judge all cops by, and neither would he.
 
2012-12-09 12:12:32 PM
See, this proves my belief that we can pass a law to make stupidity punishable by death. All we have to do is enact a law where on the same day every year (sort of a holiday) all crimes get the death penalty with no chance for appeal. On that day most people will either stay at home or be very careful in everything they do. The stupid ones will continue jaywalking and littering and speeding or even shoplifting because obviously they will get away with it.

Soon there will be no more stupid people.
 
2012-12-09 12:13:24 PM
I felt I was in danger while endangering myself as I escalated a misdemeanor into a fatal shooting but she was black give me my free donut.
 
2012-12-09 12:14:43 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Basically his choice was to let go of the car or execute the driver, and he chose execution.



Actually I think he executed the passenger.
 
2012-12-09 12:15:13 PM

Apik0r0s: I felt I was in danger while endangering myself as I escalated a misdemeanor into a fatal shooting but she was black give me my free donut.


Dude. Put down the bong. You know you're not supposed to drink the water, right?
 
2012-12-09 12:15:22 PM

Apik0r0s: How exactly does one become attached to the car?

Seems you could simply let go.



They usually do after the shock of sudden acceleration diminishes. That's provided they're aren't being held or their arm isn't tangled in the seat belt.
 
2012-12-09 12:15:52 PM

BronyMedic: Madbassist1: LOL wow. grow a skin, you wuss.

Wait.

Wait, wait wait.

I just realized how pathetic this is, dude.

You're mad at me because you childishly broke the FArQ, and then got a time-out for it?

That's sad. I get them all the time, and I never call someone out for it. In violation of the FArQ. Wow.

[assets.diylol.com image 510x285]


I've been on this site, daily, for 6 years and have yet to get a timeout. You get them all the time and you're calling someone else a loser?
 
2012-12-09 12:16:37 PM

BronyMedic: Put down the bong.


Please. Don't be this guy.
 
2012-12-09 12:18:12 PM
tukatz

Put down the pipe. Slowly.

BronyMedic

Dude. Put down the bong. You know you're not supposed to drink the water, right?
 
2012-12-09 12:18:29 PM

thamike: BronyMedic: Put down the bong.

Please. Don't be this guy.


Marijuana is the devil's doorway. It leads to satanic worship. Jack Chick told me so.

images2.wikia.nocookie.net

/really? THIS is what you take me serious on?
 
2012-12-09 12:19:12 PM
Well, that escalated quickly.
 
2012-12-09 12:19:31 PM

Apik0r0s: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: FTA: Instead of stopping the car, the woman put it in drive, revving forward and dragging the deputy. It was then that the deputy fired his weapon as the vehicle sped away

Apparently, subby thinks that a thief attempting to escape in a vehicle dragging subby along as said thief does so is not a threat to his life

Did this car have suicide doors? How does it move forward and drag a person in the door area?


Maybe he was hanging on to the door for dear life so he wouldn't be run over.
 
2012-12-09 12:20:41 PM
Dont worry police gunning down people for petty theft is an example of big government gone wrong and the republicans will fight this!
 
2012-12-09 12:20:44 PM

BronyMedic: /really? THIS is what you take me serious on?


Why assume you're being taken seriously?
 
2012-12-09 12:21:08 PM
wallymart oompa loompa ...

i47.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-09 12:21:14 PM

Ooba Tooba: Lots of trolling here. Don't hit, and drag a police officer. Bad things will happen. Did they not know this? One less thug.


Usually I think this word is over-used on Fark, to deflect an argument by implying that the person can't be serious. In the case of this thread, however, my faith in humanity would be seriously weakened if I thought that this number of posters could be so stupid. So, yes, I have to agree with you.
 
2012-12-09 12:21:23 PM

ElBarto79: Apik0r0s: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: FTA: Instead of stopping the car, the woman put it in drive, revving forward and dragging the deputy. It was then that the deputy fired his weapon as the vehicle sped away

Apparently, subby thinks that a thief attempting to escape in a vehicle dragging subby along as said thief does so is not a threat to his life

Did this car have suicide doors? How does it move forward and drag a person in the door area?

Maybe he was hanging on to the door for dear life so he wouldn't be run over.


How did black women afford a car that can drive sideways?
 
2012-12-09 12:21:34 PM
That cop better hope that he's not white.
 
2012-12-09 12:21:57 PM

Fista-Phobia: BronyMedic: /really? THIS is what you take me serious on?

Why assume you're being taken seriously?


Good point.

img.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-09 12:22:11 PM
Can't figure out the mindset of this.
Hey, let's pack up the kids and go shoplifting at Walmart !
The article said there was a group of women shoplifting, yet when they found the car only one other woman was in it with the dead girl. Did the others bail, or were they caught at the store?
Pretty sorry that someone loses a life for crappy Walmart stuff.
In other news: Shoplifting at this Walmart store drops 96%
 
2012-12-09 12:22:13 PM

OBBN: burning_bridge: BravadoGT: One more thing--she was already on probation for shoplifting...from Walmart! As part of her probation, she wasn't even allowed to be in a Walmart...

Here's a pic of the delicate little flower...

[www.digitaljournal.com image 281x371]


Having a record and looking frighteningly urban to white people makes it okay that she's dead over a misdemeanor.

Wow, you really summed it up! All us white people are terrified if people life her and a are do happy she's dead. And it couldn't be she's dead because she refused to follow the instructions given to get by a law enforcement officer or that she tried to injure our kill said officer by dragging him with get car.

Usually I'm not in Tyne side of the police, as I get tired of hearing about the over use of force. However, this isn't one of those times, this lady committed a crime, tried to glee when caught and in the process and put an citizen's life in jeopardy due to get own actions and decisions. She's dead because she was an idiot.



Did you even see the comment I was responding to? I agree with what you said about this case. The woman is dead because was an idiot. The guy I responded to indicated that who she was should have bearing on how we think of that and that her race and culture should be part of that consideration. I was responding directly to what that guy wrote.
 
2012-12-09 12:22:30 PM

BronyMedic: Marcus Aurelius: Here is a good story on typical cop behavior.

Or how about the time the police burned down an entire city block in Philadelphia?

I won't bother to post the endless stories of cops shooting hundreds of rounds into an unarmed "suspect"'s car.

I could go on ALL DAY.

And this is relevant to this situation how, exactly? Uh, was this guy involved in any of those incidents you listed? Am I defending anyone involved in any of those?

Answer Key:
1) It's not.
2) No.
3) Nope.

[people.virginia.edu image 500x75]


I cordially invite you to come visit the fine city of Philadelphia. While you're here, look at a cop cross-eyed. Then report back to me your experiences once you're discharged from the hospital.
 
2012-12-09 12:23:07 PM
Of course he should have just let go. How could there be any possibility of being run over?
i641.photobucket.com 
*Photo for illustrative purposes only. Any resemblance to the actual car in question is purely on purpose.
 
2012-12-09 12:23:10 PM

ox45tallboy: AbbeySomeone: Perhaps if he hadn't attempted to force his way into the vehicle this may not have happened.

Most cops I know are already pretty damned tired when they get to these off-duty gigs, having already put in an eight-hour shift hunting down miscreants. Most of the time, they don't want to work, and will happily just call in some on-duty guys to handle an arrest.

I don't want to go too far into conjecture, but if a woman smacks a cop with her purse, regardless of if she had a good reason, the cop is probably not going to be happy about it, and might decide to chase after her. He's probably not going to let her drive (or get into a car and ride) away without teaching her that smacking a cop with your purse is unacceptable behavior in civilized society. Some cops, depending on the circumstances, might feel that a brief verbal exposition might be sufficient; others might feel that there should be some kind of physical reinforcement to the lesson. Virtually none, however, will let it slide, as this is seen as an affront not merely to the individual cop, but to the badge.

I don't know of any police procedure which allows for effecting arrest under these circumstances for simple petty theft when the cop is on foot with no backup and the suspects are attempting to flee by car. The cop is placing himself in danger in these circumstances, and cops are trained to look out for their own safety before the safety of others. He has a radio. Call in the license plate and have the on-duty guys bring the suspects back for your lecture/tazing/beatdown. Shooting at a fleeing car might look great in an action movie, but it makes you look like a total dick unconcerned with public safety when it happens in real life.


Got it. Cops are out of control frat boys.
 
2012-12-09 12:25:10 PM

Marcus Aurelius: I cordially invite you to come visit the fine city of Philadelphia. While you're here, look at a cop cross-eyed. Then report back to me your experiences once you're discharged from the hospital.


Come to Memphis, I'll buy you some of the best BBQ in the US, and revel you with tales about how since our Mayor at the time decided it would be a good idea to limit hiring to within the city limits, that they would have to operate under a "second chance" program for convicted felons. Thanks to him, we've had 8 arrested this year for everything from threatening people on the road with his sidearm, to running a human trafficing/prostitution ring in South Memphis.
 
2012-12-09 12:25:33 PM

neenerist: wallymart oompa loompa ...

[i47.tinypic.com image 281x371]


www.startrek.com
 
2012-12-09 12:26:09 PM

Apik0r0s: ElBarto79: Apik0r0s: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: FTA: Instead of stopping the car, the woman put it in drive, revving forward and dragging the deputy. It was then that the deputy fired his weapon as the vehicle sped away

Apparently, subby thinks that a thief attempting to escape in a vehicle dragging subby along as said thief does so is not a threat to his life

Did this car have suicide doors? How does it move forward and drag a person in the door area?

Maybe he was hanging on to the door for dear life so he wouldn't be run over.

How did black women afford a car that can drive sideways?


If you let go you could easily end up underneath the car. Actually this happened to a friend of mine who was arguing with his girlfriend. When he tried to peel away in his car she hung onto the side, let go and was then run over. Fortunately it was only her arm and not her head.
 
2012-12-09 12:27:16 PM
Hey guys what's going...oh...this again...

So, the facts are "shoplifter shot by off duty officer" and yes, those are the only facts in the "article".

I don't think I will join into the whole mental circle-jerk of what possibly happened but will wait until the details are actually available.
 
2012-12-09 12:29:08 PM

luktti: BravadoGT: Here's a pic of the delicate little flower..

These lips were made for sucking
And that's just what they'll do
One of these days these
lips are gonna suck all over you

OOPS, TOO LATE.


Permanent duckface. She deserved it.
 
2012-12-09 12:31:08 PM
To mount, take hit and proclaim "weapons free!"

/indubitably
//piper pie
 
2012-12-09 12:31:28 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Hey guys what's going...oh...this again...

So, the facts are "shoplifter shot by off duty officer" and yes, those are the only facts in the "article".

I don't think I will join into the whole mental circle-jerk of what possibly happened but will wait until the details are actually available.


Gadzooks! The details must be hiding amongst these cake-eating dwarves!
 
2012-12-09 12:32:45 PM

CreamFilling: BlackMtnMan: I'm still trying to find the dammm kids. WTF?

Presumably subby was talking about the other two shoplifters, ages 27 and 38. Not that it would surprise me if they actually did bring kids along. They would probably make you look less suspicious as a shoplifter or you might think they'd afford you a little leniency. Or maybe you just can't find a babysitter.


Or it is "take the kids to work" day?
 
2012-12-09 12:33:20 PM

thamike: Gadzooks! The details must be hiding amongst these cake-eating dwarves!


www.wowpedia.org

Did somebody say CAKE?!
 
2012-12-09 12:35:24 PM

ElBarto79: If you let go you could easily end up underneath the car. Actually this happened to a friend of mine who was arguing with his girlfriend. When he tried to peel away in his car she hung onto the side, let go and was then run over. Fortunately it was only her arm and not her head.


Do you know how many times I have let go of a car and not ended up underneath of it?

This thread is hilarious. Right Winger crypto-racists inventing a new physical model of the universe to make the article match their pre-conceived notions.
 
2012-12-09 12:36:47 PM

Old Man Winter: Well, that escalated quickly.


So did the fight with BronyMedic and Madbassist1. Hell, I have been here since 2002 and had no idea the mods did timeouts, but now I feel the need to figure out how to get sent to that corner. If i imply that those two posters are engaged in a lovers spat about which of them farked a chicken harder, would that get me a smackdown?
 
2012-12-09 12:37:10 PM

Apik0r0s: Do you know how many times I have let go of a car and not ended up underneath of it?


Trick question!
 
2012-12-09 12:37:14 PM
THE WOMAN THAT WAS SHOT AND KILLED WAS NOT THE SAME WOMAN THAT ASSAULTED THE COP, NOR WAS SHE THE DRIVER OF THE CAR. THE WOMAN THAT WAS SHOT AND KILLED WAS A PASSENGER.

December 21, 2012 comes early for the kids in that car.
 
2012-12-09 12:38:01 PM

Apik0r0s: Do you know how many times I have let go of a car and not ended up underneath of it?

This thread is hilarious. Right Winger crypto-racists inventing a new physical model of the universe to make the article match their pre-conceived notions.


Don't agree with your inability to accept the fact that dragging someone is considered assault with a deadly weapon? Clearly that means you're a right winged authoritarian closet racist who's only reason for pointing this out is because this woman happens to be black, right?

i.chzbgr.com
 
2012-12-09 12:38:07 PM

Old Man Winter: So did the fight with BronyMedic and Madbassist1. Hell, I have been here since 2002 and had no idea the mods did timeouts, but now I feel the need to figure out how to get sent to that corner. If i imply that those two posters are engaged in a lovers spat about which of them farked a chicken harder, would that get me a smackdown?


Not "pro-Palestinian" enough.
 
2012-12-09 12:39:01 PM

Old Man Winter: Old Man Winter: Well, that escalated quickly.

So did the fight with BronyMedic and Madbassist1. Hell, I have been here since 2002 and had no idea the mods did timeouts, but now I feel the need to figure out how to get sent to that corner. If i imply that those two posters are engaged in a lovers spat about which of them farked a chicken harder, would that get me a smackdown?


Post Goatse. Or graphic medical pictures.

Those are good ways to get a time-out.
 
2012-12-09 12:40:37 PM

DON.MAC: ox45tallboy: DON.MAC: Far less likely to have your family pay for the bullet at least.

At least they're on sale in the sporting goods department.

I took an Aussie girlfriend to Texas Wal-mart at about 3 am (recent arrival, jet lag, needed stuff, it was open). She wondered over to the hunting section and was flirting with the kid behind the counter and was asking if she could buy a gun and which one should she get. It was insane.


Wow...you might just need to find a new girlfriend if you are losing out to a Walmart clerk...
 
2012-12-09 12:41:41 PM
I know this suggestion will get privacy rights advocates panties in a twist, but this all could have been avoided if we attach some sort of identification tags on vehicles. That would allow the law enforcement to apprehend the perp in a more stable environment.
 
2012-12-09 12:42:05 PM

PreMortem: It is after all, Texas...

Pretty sure you can shoot someone for cutting in line there, especially if they are mentally handicapped.


The law states if it is after sunset you may shoot thieves that are stealing.

Daylight, you are not allowed.
 
2012-12-09 12:42:38 PM

Stone Meadow: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: CreamFilling: ox45tallboy: Wal-Mart could very well face some liability in a wrongful death suit, especially if it is proven he fired into a vehicle moving away from him.

The vehicle wasn't moving away from him. It was dragging him along with it.

Oh wow, somebody actually RTFA...>

Only CreamFilling didn't comprehend what he was reading if that's what he took from TFA, which clearly states that

1) the deputy opened the car door and stepped between the door and the car seat to confront the driver
2) the driver put the car in a forward gear and drove AWAY from the deputy

Ergo, the only way for the car to drag the deputy was for him to be handing onto the door or the b-pillar.

Finally, the deputy shot and killed the PASSENGER of the car, not the driver.

Wal-Mart and the Harris county sheriff department will be paying big bucks in the civil lawsuit.


Pfft, they won't be convicted in Texas. Nice shootin Tex.
 
2012-12-09 12:42:54 PM

BronyMedic: Apik0r0s: Do you know how many times I have let go of a car and not ended up underneath of it?

This thread is hilarious. Right Winger crypto-racists inventing a new physical model of the universe to make the article match their pre-conceived notions.

Don't agree with your inability to accept the fact that dragging someone is considered assault with a deadly weapon? Clearly that means you're a right winged authoritarian closet racist who's only reason for pointing this out is because this woman happens to be black, right?

[i.chzbgr.com image 474x512]


From bassackwards red-state - Check
Govt job - Check
Fellating of authority figures - Check
Stupid name - Check


It must be a duck.
 
2012-12-09 12:43:45 PM

BronyMedic: Old Man Winter: Old Man Winter: Well, that escalated quickly.

So did the fight with BronyMedic and Madbassist1. Hell, I have been here since 2002 and had no idea the mods did timeouts, but now I feel the need to figure out how to get sent to that corner. If i imply that those two posters are engaged in a lovers spat about which of them farked a chicken harder, would that get me a smackdown?

Post Goatse. Or graphic medical pictures.

Those are good ways to get a time-out.


Yeah, use graphics. A banning due to word usage is tough.
 
2012-12-09 12:44:33 PM

Apik0r0s: ElBarto79: If you let go you could easily end up underneath the car. Actually this happened to a friend of mine who was arguing with his girlfriend. When he tried to peel away in his car she hung onto the side, let go and was then run over. Fortunately it was only her arm and not her head.

Do you know how many times I have let go of a car and not ended up underneath of it?

This thread is hilarious. Right Winger crypto-racists inventing a new physical model of the universe to make the article match their pre-conceived notions.


No, how many times have you been drug by a car, let go, and did not get run over? Also was the door open or closed? was the car swerving back and forth to try and dislodge you or driving in a straight line? All these things could be factors.
 
2012-12-09 12:44:38 PM

BronyMedic: Old Man Winter: Old Man Winter: Well, that escalated quickly.

So did the fight with BronyMedic and Madbassist1. Hell, I have been here since 2002 and had no idea the mods did timeouts, but now I feel the need to figure out how to get sent to that corner. If i imply that those two posters are engaged in a lovers spat about which of them farked a chicken harder, would that get me a smackdown?

Post Goatse. Or graphic medical pictures.

Those are good ways to get a time-out.


You know, I have deliberately, repeatedly used Fark to spread Blood Libel against Jews, and have never been called out for it. Never. I think I actually stated once that Israel sacrificed Christian children to cause 9-11 and Catholics that do not kill a Jew have are sent to Purgatory.Sure, it might have been obvious it was a joke, but it never got me in trouble. So, other than posting graphic images, I really have no idea what you would do to get banninated.
 
2012-12-09 12:44:47 PM

BronyMedic: Rich Cream: By all means then, shoot her dead for petty larceny.

KellyKellyKelly: So clearly, she deserves death. Right.

The article seems to indicate she was shot because she tried to drive off and drug the guy with her, not because she stole something. Which if that's the case, IS legal grounds for using lethal force.


"A person is justified in using deadly force against another to pervent the other who is fleeing after committing burglary, robbery, or theft during the nighttime, from escaping with the property and he reasonable believes that the property cannot be recovered by any other means; or, the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the property would expose him or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury. (Nighttime is defined as the period 30 minutes after sunset until 30 minutes before sunrise.)"
 
2012-12-09 12:45:53 PM
Cops who are off-duty, retired, suspended, etc, should be held to the exact same laws and standards as a normal citizen.
 
2012-12-09 12:45:59 PM

Apik0r0s: BronyMedic: Apik0r0s: Do you know how many times I have let go of a car and not ended up underneath of it?

This thread is hilarious. Right Winger crypto-racists inventing a new physical model of the universe to make the article match their pre-conceived notions.

Don't agree with your inability to accept the fact that dragging someone is considered assault with a deadly weapon? Clearly that means you're a right winged authoritarian closet racist who's only reason for pointing this out is because this woman happens to be black, right?

[i.chzbgr.com image 474x512]

From bassackwards red-state - Check
Govt job - Check
Fellating of authority figures - Check
Stupid name - Check


It must be a duck.


You have to see it from Brony's viewpoint. He's accustomed to meat wagons which are much wider in the back than the front where he would imagine himself standing and easily run over by the rear tires..
 
2012-12-09 12:46:12 PM

Apik0r0s: From bassackwards red-state - Check


Dude. I live in the only blue part of the State of Tennessee, Memphis. Your assumption that it's red is hilarious. We're the only area that continually elects a democrat to almost every office.

Apik0r0s: Govt job - Check


I actually get my paycheck from a 401 Not for profit hospital system, and a Private Ambulance Service. Anything I do for the Government is completely free of charge as a volunteer.

Apik0r0s: Fellating of authority figures - Check


Pointing out you're being ridiculous is not "felating of authority figures".

Apik0r0s: Stupid name - Check


Your name sounds like something a french man would moan out while being penetrated by a german dominatrix. I really wouldn't talk about stupid names.
 
2012-12-09 12:46:48 PM

BronyMedic: Which really doesn't matter. Do you know why? He was acting as a Law Enforcement officer at the time, not a rent-a-cop. He was fully identifiable as a Sheriff Deputy. He gave a lawful order to stop, and she didn't. Instead, she smacked him upside the head with her purse, and ran to her car. When he followed her, FTFA, he tried to get her out of the car, at which point she put the car in gear, and gunned it. He thought he was going to be run over or dragged. That most certainly is justifiable lethal force, even for a non-cop. Her decisions got her shot, not the "cop pursuing a suspect."


That's the Sheriff's representative's explanation, and even he qualified it with, 'I think.' If it's true - if the policeman was being actively dragged or was fearful that he might be crushed by the criminal's car, then he was absolutely justified in shooting its driver. Whether the preceding sentence's scenario is true is the only meaningful question to ask, and TFA is weirdly phrased enough that I'm withholding judgment until I find another source or two. Here's what I mean:


TFA: After that deputy confronted the group of women at the door, one of the women hit the deputy with her purse. Then the women fled to a car. As the vehicle sped away, the deputy was between the door frame and the driver.

Additional reports stated that the deputy then opened the door and commanded the driver to stop. Instead of stopping the car, the woman put it in drive, revving forward and dragging the deputy. It was then that the deputy fired his weapon as the vehicle sped away..


The deputy was between the door frame and the driver, which sounds like the door was already open or he had jumped through its open window (lack of information). He then opened the door. Wait, what? Was she driving away with a policeman halfway through the window of her open, flapping car door? At this point all I know for certain is the person who wrote TFA needs to borrow a Clarity in Reporting textbook.
 
2012-12-09 12:47:50 PM

Apik0r0s: ElBarto79: If you let go you could easily end up underneath the car. Actually this happened to a friend of mine who was arguing with his girlfriend. When he tried to peel away in his car she hung onto the side, let go and was then run over. Fortunately it was only her arm and not her head.

Do you know how many times I have let go of a car and not ended up underneath of it?

This thread is hilarious. (people I don't like) inventing a new physical model of the universe to make the article match their pre-conceived notions.


So, how are the people you agree with not adapting the few facts in the article to fit their personal political beliefs?
 
2012-12-09 12:48:25 PM

BronyMedic: Your name sounds like something a french man would moan out while being penetrated by a german dominatrix.


That explains so much about my father.

Thanks
 
2012-12-09 12:48:37 PM

Rich Cream: BronyMedic: Old Man Winter: Old Man Winter: Well, that escalated quickly.

So did the fight with BronyMedic and Madbassist1. Hell, I have been here since 2002 and had no idea the mods did timeouts, but now I feel the need to figure out how to get sent to that corner. If i imply that those two posters are engaged in a lovers spat about which of them farked a chicken harder, would that get me a smackdown?

Post Goatse. Or graphic medical pictures.

Those are good ways to get a time-out.

Yeah, use graphics. A banning due to word usage is tough.


He's obviously an amateur if he has to rely upon images.
 
2012-12-09 12:49:34 PM

DaCaptain19: Big_Fat_Liar: willfullyobscure: 100 percent justified as the black lady was literally trying to kill him. hero cop.

Where in the article does it say the lady was black? Oh, never mind, I just remembered that the article said she was stealing....

It says everywhere the women were black. Who else goes into these stores, in an organized group, and blatantly stuffs their empty, over-sized purses with merchandise? I don't want to over-generalize, but this is a black crime, 100% of the time.


http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/8144595-celebrity-shoplifte r s-top-ten-list

To all the one talking like black people are the only one who shoplift.... that link states otherwise!! Britney Spears, Lindsay and Winona Ryder just to name a few!!!
 
2012-12-09 12:50:35 PM

Rich Cream: Yeah, use graphics. A banning due to word usage is tough.


I got a time out on TotalFark Discussion for linking to that image of Goatse photoshopped to look like clouds that the Christians like to use so much on facebook to everyone's amusement.

Strangely enough, I don't get a time out for posting pictures of Halebja gas victims. Hmm.

HempHead: "A person is justified in using deadly force against another to pervent the other who is fleeing after committing burglary, robbery, or theft during the nighttime, from escaping with the property and he reasonable believes that the property cannot be recovered by any other means; or, the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the property would expose him or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury. (Nighttime is defined as the period 30 minutes after sunset until 30 minutes before sunrise.)"


You missed the part about her trying to run the guy over, which would be using a deadly weapon against a cop. But that's okay. Clearly you didn't RTFA either. Many posters have made the same mistake before voicing their righteous indignation.

Old Man Winter: You know, I have deliberately, repeatedly used Fark to spread Blood Libel against Jews, and have never been called out for it. Never. I think I actually stated once that Israel sacrificed Christian children to cause 9-11 and Catholics that do not kill a Jew have are sent to Purgatory.Sure, it might have been obvious it was a joke, but it never got me in trouble. So, other than posting graphic images, I really have no idea what you would do to get banninated.


You have made me fear for my mortal soul for laughing at this.
 
2012-12-09 12:52:33 PM

Girion47: He's obviously an amateur if he has to rely upon images.


Well, he could always track down a FARKer's home and employer's phone number and address, and publicly post them in a thread where that FARKer said mean things about him in.

But that did get that person permabanned, not a time out.
 
2012-12-09 12:53:54 PM

BravadoGT: One more thing--she was already on probation for shoplifting...from Walmart! As part of her probation, she wasn't even allowed to be in a Walmart...

Here's a pic of the delicate little flower...

www.digitaljournal.com


Warning! Keep Sharpie Magnums away from Black People.
s14.postimage.org
 
2012-12-09 12:54:37 PM

Jeff73: The deputy was between the door frame and the driver, which sounds like the door was already open or he had jumped through its open window (lack of information). He then opened the door. Wait, what? Was she driving away with a policeman halfway through the window of her open, flapping car door? At this point all I know for certain is the person who wrote TFA needs to borrow a Clarity in Reporting textbook.


Clarity, based on a police report?

LOL.

Cops are actually taught in training how to lie on police reports. The guy I know who went to GPSC and took this class was flabbergasted. They can't all be trained as lawyers and we can't have cops writing all of the facts down and having brown people escape prison sentences because a cop told the whole story. So, they're taught to be very specific with certain aspects and very vague in others - to give the DA and the judge enough wiggle room to keep the railroad moving on time.

So, you'll end up with a police report that gives the dimensions of the box this lady stole - in inches, millimeters and angstroms - yet it will get all sorts of fuzzy and vague when it comes to the details of what happened next to that car.

That will become more clear only after the DA has coached the cop on what happened.
 
2012-12-09 12:54:40 PM

BlackMtnMan: I'm still trying to find the dammm kids. WTF?


Call in a Code Adam
 
2012-12-09 12:55:21 PM

Apik0r0s: ElBarto79: If you let go you could easily end up underneath the car. Actually this happened to a friend of mine who was arguing with his girlfriend. When he tried to peel away in his car she hung onto the side, let go and was then run over. Fortunately it was only her arm and not her head.

Do you know how many times I have let go of a car and not ended up underneath of it?

This thread is hilarious. Right Winger crypto-racists inventing a new physical model of the universe to make the article match their pre-conceived notions.


Here is just one example of someone being drug by a car, letting go and getting run over and killed. You can do some googling and find plenty more examples. The officer had every reason to believe his life was in danger.

Link
 
2012-12-09 12:55:37 PM

DaCaptain19: Big_Fat_Liar: willfullyobscure: 100 percent justified as the black lady was literally trying to kill him. hero cop.

Where in the article does it say the lady was black? Oh, never mind, I just remembered that the article said she was stealing....

It says everywhere the women were black. Who else goes into these stores, in an organized group, and blatantly stuffs their empty, over-sized purses with merchandise? I don't want to over-generalize, but this is a black crime, 100% of the time.


You're 100% correct. Shoplifting is the hat of teenage, white women...in Blackface.
 
2012-12-09 12:56:54 PM

Apik0r0s: Cops are actually taught in training how to lie on police reports. The guy I know who went to GPSC and took this class was flabbergasted. They can't all be trained as lawyers and we can't have cops writing all of the facts down and having brown people escape prison sentences because a cop told the whole story. So, they're taught to be very specific with certain aspects and very vague in others - to give the DA and the judge enough wiggle room to keep the railroad moving on time.


pluckyoutoo.files.wordpress.com

sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2012-12-09 12:58:33 PM
So, the cop needlessly puts himself and everyone else in danger by firing his weapon at a shoplifter. Smart police work there, Lou.

/dumbass tag indeed
 
2012-12-09 01:00:10 PM

BronyMedic: Apik0r0s: Cops are actually taught in training how to lie on police reports. The guy I know who went to GPSC and took this class was flabbergasted. They can't all be trained as lawyers and we can't have cops writing all of the facts down and having brown people escape prison sentences because a cop told the whole story. So, they're taught to be very specific with certain aspects and very vague in others - to give the DA and the judge enough wiggle room to keep the railroad moving on time.

[pluckyoutoo.files.wordpress.com image 280x280]

[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 500x271]



This just in: Police are not taught to write their reports in a way that benefits their department at the expense of the public.
 
2012-12-09 01:00:32 PM
People who didn't RTFA Tally:

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-09 01:01:02 PM

Apik0r0s: Cops are actually taught in training how to lie on police reports.


I always wondered what dash cams were for. Apparently it's to make it easier for cops to lie on their reports, which isn't only systemic, it's rewarded.
 
2012-12-09 01:01:17 PM
Almost 300 posts and no one has commented "...with helpful pic of what an Olympic target pistol looks like"

cbshouston.files.wordpress.com 

OK, sorry for the interruption, you can go back to the pie flinging now.
 
2012-12-09 01:01:23 PM

Apik0r0s: This just in: Police are not taught to write their reports in a way that benefits their department at the expense of the public.


You said this:

Apik0r0s: Cops are actually taught in training how to lie on police reports.


sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net

Or are you being ridiculous again?
 
2012-12-09 01:02:10 PM

BronyMedic: People who didn't RTFA Tally:

[i.imgur.com image 270x32]



What's the tally for even reading this thread?
 
2012-12-09 01:02:59 PM

BronyMedic: People who didn't RTFA Tally:

[i.imgur.com image 270x32]


People who suck the cock of cops because they always wanted to be a cop but ended up riding around dealing with the impacted bowels of overweight black women.

I

But hey, a uniform's a uniform, right?
 
2012-12-09 01:03:36 PM

Rich Cream: What's the tally for even reading this thread?


No one reads the thread. They just go to the last page of it, and voice their righteous indignation according to the headline. It's brilliant, really. Subby may have trolled us in the beginning, but he's REALLY going to fill those nets five hours from now.
 
2012-12-09 01:03:38 PM

anotar: Almost 300 posts and no one has commented "...with helpful pic of what an Olympic target pistol looks like"

[cbshouston.files.wordpress.com image 300x199] 

OK, sorry for the interruption, you can go back to the pie flinging now.


Lazy stock photos are a requirement in hazy reports of police shootouts that lead to cop flame wars on Fark. I didn't think it was worth mentioning.
 
2012-12-09 01:04:24 PM

Rich Cream: BronyMedic: People who didn't RTFA Tally:

[i.imgur.com image 270x32]


What's the tally for even reading this thread?


I think the Tag for the Healine is actually all of us who have posted in this thread.
 
2012-12-09 01:04:59 PM

Apik0r0s: People who suck the cock of cops because they always wanted to be a cop but ended up riding around dealing with the impacted bowels of overweight black women.

I

But hey, a uniform's a uniform, right?


So you're being ridiculous, then? Or are you actually going on the assumption I want to be a cop?
 
2012-12-09 01:05:02 PM

Apik0r0s: People who suck the cock of cops because they always wanted to be a cop but ended up riding around dealing with the impacted bowels of overweight black women.

I

But hey, a uniform's a uniform, right?



Not enough venom. Go in for the kill.
 
2012-12-09 01:05:29 PM

thamike: Apik0r0s: Cops are actually taught in training how to lie on police reports.

I always wondered what dash cams were for. Apparently it's to make it easier for cops to lie on their reports, which isn't only systemic, it's rewarded.


Dashcams, lol.

Here in GA, the dashcam will be on when it benefits the police, but will be broken or turned off otherwise. Dashcam turned off? No problem, just subpoena the traffic cam video from that day. Sorry citizen, that public information that you paid to collect is off limits to you.
 
2012-12-09 01:06:26 PM

Apik0r0s: Dashcams, lol.

Here in GA, the dashcam will be on when it benefits the police, but will be broken or turned off otherwise. Dashcam turned off? No problem, just subpoena the traffic cam video from that day. Sorry citizen, that public information that you paid to collect is off limits to you.




Seen it all, eh? Pardon my naivete.
 
2012-12-09 01:06:42 PM

anotar: Almost 300 posts and no one has commented "...with helpful pic of what an Olympic target pistol looks like"

[cbshouston.files.wordpress.com image 300x199] 

OK, sorry for the interruption, you can go back to the pie flinging now.



That looks like a Glock-47 to me.
 
2012-12-09 01:06:47 PM

thamike: Not enough venom. Go in for the kill.


Really! He's not even good. Atleast Madbassist could turn his butthurt into righteous fury.
 
2012-12-09 01:08:09 PM

BronyMedic: StoPPeRmobile: So the cop put himself in a position of danger for some property? And someone was murdered.

Seems legit.

I'm trying to follow your logic here. No cop should put himself in the line of harm to apprehend a suspect who refuses to follow a lawful order from a clearly identified police officer, because they might end up having to shoot that suspect when they escalate to using lethal force to try to escape from arrest?


Does police training say to jump half way into a car if it's fleeing? Maybe this is just me having watched too many cop shows, but it seems like standard procedure when on foot is to take the license plate number and call it in. He is the one who needlessly placed his own life in danger, over what? Some crap from Walmart? Somehow, I think the time to place your life in danger is only when other lives are in danger. He used stunningly poor judgement and escalated a situation that could just as easily been remedied by taking the license plate and sending officers to visit their home.

The fact is, he got pissed off that he was hit in the face by a purse, and lost his mind. He's guilty of second degree murder, but of course won't suffer anything more than a paid vacation, because of our wonderful justice system that protects its own.
 
2012-12-09 01:08:10 PM

Apik0r0s: anotar: Almost 300 posts and no one has commented "...with helpful pic of what an Olympic target pistol looks like"

[cbshouston.files.wordpress.com image 300x199] 

OK, sorry for the interruption, you can go back to the pie flinging now.


That looks like a Glock-47 to me.


gunnuts.net

No, it's definitely an assault rifle.
 
2012-12-09 01:08:34 PM

Cuchulane: children



They're not mentioned in this particular article, but were in others. 
 
2012-12-09 01:09:04 PM
Need more policies like this...

horde.kz
 
2012-12-09 01:09:22 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Does police training say to jump half way into a car if it's fleeing? Maybe this is just me having watched too many cop shows, but it seems like standard procedure when on foot is to take the license plate number and call it in. He is the one who needlessly placed his own life in danger, over what? Some crap from Walmart? Somehow, I think the time to place your life in danger is only when other lives are in danger. He used stunningly poor judgement and escalated a situation that could just as easily been remedied by taking the license plate and sending officers to visit their home.

The fact is, he got pissed off that he was hit in the face by a purse, and lost his mind. He's guilty of second degree murder, but of course won't suffer anything more than a paid vacation, because of our wonderful justice system that protects its own.


You should contact the Houston Police Department and do your civic duty by relaying to the authorities what you saw and heard, and the fact you could psychically enter this man's mind while you witnessed the event. Which you clearly did, as you have information that none of us do.
 
2012-12-09 01:09:40 PM

BronyMedic: Apik0r0s: People who suck the cock of cops because they always wanted to be a cop but ended up riding around dealing with the impacted bowels of overweight black women.

I

But hey, a uniform's a uniform, right?

So you're being ridiculous, then? Or are you actually going on the assumption I want to be a cop?


Watch it, Apik0r0s,he'll nark you out to the mods. Its too hot in the Internet for him.
 
2012-12-09 01:09:48 PM

Apik0r0s: anotar: Almost 300 posts and no one has commented "...with helpful pic of what an Olympic target pistol looks like"

[cbshouston.files.wordpress.com image 300x199] 

OK, sorry for the interruption, you can go back to the pie flinging now.


That looks like a Glock-47 to me.


It is actually an AK-47. Is it too early to start blaming Obama for this? Hear me out. The economy is so bad that a black woman has to steal from a Box store.
 
2012-12-09 01:09:52 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: He is the one who needlessly placed his own life in danger, over what? Some crap from Walmart


No, over pride and control, etc., but not crap from WalMart
 
2012-12-09 01:10:34 PM

thamike: No, it's definitely an assault rifle.


What an AK-47 may look like:

media.defenseindustrydaily.com
 
2012-12-09 01:10:38 PM
Where does TFA mention two small children?
 
2012-12-09 01:11:30 PM

BronyMedic: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Does police training say to jump half way into a car if it's fleeing? Maybe this is just me having watched too many cop shows, but it seems like standard procedure when on foot is to take the license plate number and call it in. He is the one who needlessly placed his own life in danger, over what? Some crap from Walmart? Somehow, I think the time to place your life in danger is only when other lives are in danger. He used stunningly poor judgement and escalated a situation that could just as easily been remedied by taking the license plate and sending officers to visit their home.

The fact is, he got pissed off that he was hit in the face by a purse, and lost his mind. He's guilty of second degree murder, but of course won't suffer anything more than a paid vacation, because of our wonderful justice system that protects its own.

You should contact the Houston Police Department and do your civic duty by relaying to the authorities what you saw and heard, and the fact you could psychically enter this man's mind while you witnessed the event. Which you clearly did, as you have information that none of us do.



Yeah, he should go educate himself about sideways driving cars and how many black women drive cars capable of holding on to a man!
 
2012-12-09 01:12:41 PM

Madbassist1: Watch it, Apik0r0s,he'll nark you out to the mods. Its too hot in the Internet for him.


www.crackedjustice.com

Man, you just cant let go of the fact you got trolled into violating the FArQ, and were such an unmitigated, condescending dick about it that even the mods had no problem giving you a time out for it, can you?

Listen. Step away from the internet. Go smoke some pot. Stop being such an internet tough guy that you get mad at a 24 hour posting vacation from FARK - an internet website. Go outside. See the sun. Play that Bass Guitar your name is built around.

Let go of your hate. You'll live longer.
 
2012-12-09 01:13:05 PM

BronyMedic: thamike: Not enough venom. Go in for the kill.

Really! He's not even good. Atleast Madbassist could turn his butthurt into righteous fury.


I'm not furious at the police. Houston PD murder people all the time. Its par for the course. I'm ticked at you for taking stupid positions, defending them in ignorant fashion, and then whining to the mods when someone makes you look like an idiot. If you're a pussy who cant take it when someone points out what a moron you (can) be, just use ignore.

BTW, I say again, the person shot by this 'defender of justice' was NOT the driver of the car.
 
2012-12-09 01:13:56 PM
Gary Coleman approves...

i.ytimg.com
 
2012-12-09 01:14:06 PM

BronyMedic: thamike: No, it's definitely an assault rifle.

What an AK-47 may look like:

[media.defenseindustrydaily.com image 850x572]


farm7.static.flickr.com

With an illegal modification.
 
2012-12-09 01:14:13 PM

Apik0r0s: sideways driving cars


She might have been initiating a donut sequence and might have come back around. You don't know.

/Not the eating kind of doughnut
//need to clarify that because story involves cops.
 
2012-12-09 01:14:41 PM

Madbassist1: BronyMedic: thamike: Not enough venom. Go in for the kill.

Really! He's not even good. Atleast Madbassist could turn his butthurt into righteous fury.

I'm not furious at the police. Houston PD murder people all the time. Its par for the course. I'm ticked at you for taking stupid positions, defending them in ignorant fashion, and then whining to the mods when someone makes you look like an idiot. If you're a pussy who cant take it when someone points out what a moron you (can) be, just use ignore.

BTW, I say again, the person shot by this 'defender of justice' was NOT the driver of the car.


Get a room, you two.
 
2012-12-09 01:15:20 PM

Madbassist1: BTW, I say again, the person shot by this 'defender of justice' was NOT the driver of the car.


Protip: Never stand between a shooter and his intended target.
 
2012-12-09 01:15:35 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: BronyMedic: StoPPeRmobile: So the cop put himself in a position of danger for some property? And someone was murdered.

Seems legit.

I'm trying to follow your logic here. No cop should put himself in the line of harm to apprehend a suspect who refuses to follow a lawful order from a clearly identified police officer, because they might end up having to shoot that suspect when they escalate to using lethal force to try to escape from arrest?

Does police training say to jump half way into a car if it's fleeing? Maybe this is just me having watched too many cop shows, but it seems like standard procedure when on foot is to take the license plate number and call it in. He is the one who needlessly placed his own life in danger, over what? Some crap from Walmart? Somehow, I think the time to place your life in danger is only when other lives are in danger. He used stunningly poor judgement and escalated a situation that could just as easily been remedied by taking the license plate and sending officers to visit their home.

The fact is, he got pissed off that he was hit in the face by a purse, and lost his mind. He's guilty of second degree murder, but of course won't suffer anything more than a paid vacation, because of our wonderful justice system that protects its own.


So you don't think that someone who would assault an armed, uniformed police officer and then flee from them might be a danger to society? Especially when the ramifications of surrendering to said officer would have likely been a night in jail and some probation? Are you under the delusion that such a person would respect most of the other laws (like not murdering people) or that they would be more likely to surrender if accused of a much more serious crime (like assaulting a uniformed police officer) where years in prison were at stake?
 
2012-12-09 01:15:36 PM
LOL you 'trolled' me. sure, asshole, whatever.
 
2012-12-09 01:16:01 PM

Madbassist1: I'm not furious at the police. Houston PD murder people all the time. Its par for the course. I'm ticked at you for taking stupid positions, defending them in ignorant fashion, and then whining to the mods when someone makes you look like an idiot. If you're a pussy who cant take it when someone points out what a moron you (can) be, just use ignore.

BTW, I say again, the person shot by this 'defender of justice' was NOT the driver of the car.


>VIolates FArQ in a blatent and intentional matter.
>Gets mad when he gets a 24 hour time out.
>Calls someone a "pussy" on the internet.

Photo of Poster:

images.retecool.com

By the way, the news seems to indicate that yes, it was the driver that was shot and killed.
 
2012-12-09 01:16:02 PM

titwrench: Misleading headline of the year.


Please point out what was misleading about the headline.

If journalists want continued notification of police press conferences, as well as updates on breaking news, they are going to print the official police story. I'm not trying to say that journalists should be discounted, just that you should be aware when reading stories like this that you are getting the story from one side - a person who is justifying the fact that he took a human life.

I'm still not seeing how the cop's life really was in danger, or that by firing his weapon into the vehicle, he saved his own life.
 
2012-12-09 01:16:21 PM

Rich Cream: donut sequence


kylekorpi.com

Now you've done it.
 
2012-12-09 01:16:49 PM
Going by the article I have a hard time justifying this shooting as to me it doesn't sound to me like he was in any real danger and what he did was surely against wal-mart policy.

The one detail needed here is not covered either article was the vehicle moving towards him where he could have been dragged or moving away from him as it sounds like he was standing on the ground between the door and the interior of the car,given the vehicle got away i am inclined to think it was moving away where he would not have been dragged by the vehicle.
 
2012-12-09 01:16:51 PM

BronyMedic: You should contact the Houston Police Department and do your civic duty by relaying to the authorities what you saw and heard, and the fact you could psychically enter this man's mind while you witnessed the event. Which you clearly did, as you have information that none of us do.


The fact that you think it takes psychic power to know this says quite a bit about your understanding of basic human nature. It says you have none.

Rich Cream: BraveNewCheneyWorld: He is the one who needlessly placed his own life in danger, over what? Some crap from Walmart

No, over pride and control, etc., but not crap from WalMart


You should have kept reading. The first reason I stated was the official reason he'd report, the second is what was really going on. I agree with you fully though. Either way, it's unjustified, and it's murder.
 
2012-12-09 01:17:07 PM

fusillade762: Off-duty cops hired by WalMart wear "the badge"?


Yes. They dress in full uniform, and have full police powers. Most jurisdictions allow them to even drive their patrol car.
 
2012-12-09 01:17:23 PM
Given that the little pieces of shiat are probably her crotch-droppings, I am only sad that the off-duty cop didn't kill them all. But now my tax dollars will be working hard to bring up these little spent-their-whole-lives-in-a-how-to-be-a-career-criminal seminar household.

Reward the fail!
 
2012-12-09 01:17:45 PM

Erodeo: Where does TFA mention two small children?


You missed the part where it said two kids, one riding the shoulders of the other wearing a long trench coat and a "Jeff the Killer" mask were involved. They were running interference for the Jewish shoplifter by randomly tossing Snickers into the shopping carts of innocent Wal-Mart shoppers. The kids were also Jews, btw. .
 
2012-12-09 01:17:59 PM

thamike: No, it's definitely an assault rifle.


Hey, I have one of those. Good to see you, Glock 17.

/Boys gonna have toys.
 
2012-12-09 01:18:43 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: The fact that you think it takes psychic power to know this says quite a bit about your understanding of basic human nature. It says you have none.


No, the fact of the matter is you're making statements that are either:

A) Blatant, obviously biased assumptions not supported by any of the news articles.
B) Statements being made with obvious inside information about the event - you witnessed the shooting.

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Either way, it's unjustified, and it's murder.


So obvious assumptions not supported by the articles, then?
 
2012-12-09 01:18:43 PM
So what's it going to take to get Old Man Winter to start posting borderline acceptable pictures in order to determine the limits of moderation and get his cherry popped? 

/or is he gone already and I missed it?
 
2012-12-09 01:18:44 PM
One less worthless scum that won't commit any more crimes. Yes, I know it was overkill. No, I don't care. Thieves need to die.
 
2012-12-09 01:20:27 PM

Old Man Winter: Erodeo: Where does TFA mention two small children?

You missed the part where it said two kids, one riding the shoulders of the other wearing a long trench coat and a "Jeff the Killer" mask were involved. They were running interference for the Jewish shoplifter by randomly tossing Snickers into the shopping carts of innocent Wal-Mart shoppers. The kids were also Jews, btw. .



This is your effort? Come on, you can do better.
 
2012-12-09 01:21:00 PM
The hiring of off-duty cops always makes my head spin a little, ethically. Yeah, it's pretty simple at face value: the company gets security and the cop makes a little OT.

Say, my house gets broken into, (and it has). I call the police and tell them. They tell me an officer or clerk from the police will contact me within a few days to take the report over the phone and give me a report number for insurance reasons. Is there any reason I couldn't contract with the dept? I could pay a cop OT to come over to the house for a couple hours, take fingerprints and run them through the database to find out who it is. I could pay a judge a half hour OT for a warrant and the cop could go pick him up. Shouldn't cost more than a couple grand - some of the things I've had taken can't be replaced with money.

Hey, could this work with the DMV? No more spending an hour or two waiting, just pay an off duty clerk a little OT for the 5 minutes it takes to take my forms? Maybe have a couple guys from Parks and Rec come over and do some yard work.

This is really getting absurd.

Yet, when Walmart see's a shoplifter - instead of calling the police they hire an off-duty cop. Don't the Cartels in Mexico kind of do this with the cops down there? Is it only corruption when it's done for illegal reasons?
 
2012-12-09 01:21:29 PM

Old Man Winter: Erodeo: Where does TFA mention two small children?

You missed the part where it said two kids, one riding the shoulders of the other wearing a long trench coat and a "Jeff the Killer" mask were involved. They were running interference for the Jewish shoplifter by randomly tossing Snickers into the shopping carts of innocent Wal-Mart shoppers. The kids were also Jews, btw. .


Add in some hate-language worded insults about someone's sexual preferences, call out their religious sensibilities using bigoted terms, and accuse them of committing various crimes. You can do better than this!
 
2012-12-09 01:21:34 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: thamike: No, it's definitely an assault rifle.

Hey, I have one of those. Good to see you, Glock 17.

/Boys gonna have toys.


I'm a traditionalist.

idoubletap.com
 
2012-12-09 01:22:18 PM

thamike: Fuggin Bizzy: thamike: No, it's definitely an assault rifle.

Hey, I have one of those. Good to see you, Glock 17.

/Boys gonna have toys.

I'm a traditionalist.

[idoubletap.com image 560x300]


Clearly a Mossin-Nagant/SKS hybrid.
 
2012-12-09 01:22:52 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Hey guys what's going...oh...this again...

So, the facts are "shoplifter shot by off duty officer" and yes, those are the only facts in the "article".

I don't think I will join into the whole mental circle-jerk of what possibly happened but will wait until the details are actually available.


Or maybe, as par for the course, the article linked to on Fark is the vaguest and least informative article on the interwebs, and even a cursory google search of "Shelly Frey, Houston, Shooting" reveals boat loads more information...
Such as...

Shelly Frey was a passenger in the car, not the driver.
Shelly Frey was not the woman that struck the officer with her purse.
The officer did not actually see them shoplift ANYTHING.
The cop was BESIDE the car.
The car was moving FORWARD.

These facts all destroy the narrative of "crazy shop lifter gets shot while running police down with her car," and the people clinging to the infallibility of law enforcement really really really want to believe that narrative for this thread.
 
2012-12-09 01:23:27 PM

Ficoce: Is there any reason I couldn't contract with the dept?



I believe the accepted method for preferential treatment is to make large cash donations to the department.
 
2012-12-09 01:23:46 PM

Cataholic: So you don't think that someone who would assault an armed, uniformed police officer and then flee from them might be a danger to society? Especially when the ramifications of surrendering to said officer would have likely been a night in jail and some probation? Are you under the delusion that such a person would respect most of the other laws (like not murdering people) or that they would be more likely to surrender if accused of a much more serious crime (like assaulting a uniformed police officer) where years in prison were at stake?


Now that's hilarious! You're actually saying that because she smaked a police officer with a purse in an effort to flee, she might be a murderer and a menace to society? Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds?
 
2012-12-09 01:23:49 PM

BronyMedic: thamike: Fuggin Bizzy: thamike: No, it's definitely an assault rifle.

Hey, I have one of those. Good to see you, Glock 17.

/Boys gonna have toys.

I'm a traditionalist.

[idoubletap.com image 560x300]

Clearly a Mossin-Nagant/SKS hybrid.


With suppressor and folding stock.
 
2012-12-09 01:24:33 PM

Rich Cream: So what's it going to take to get Old Man Winter to start posting borderline acceptable pictures in order to determine the limits of moderation and get his cherry popped? 

/or is he gone already and I missed it?


Now, I am just trolling, no need to draw attention to me. I've had this handle for 8 years and don't want to lose it by posting a picture of a guy cramming a cucumber up his ass.
Although, I do want to know why everyone think sucking cop dick is so bad? As a woman, I need to get out of a lot of parking tickets, because as an Asian Woman, I cannot drive properly or do math, which as an Asian Woman is paradoxical. I think cop "cock taste good". Which is like October 13th or something in some language.
 
2012-12-09 01:25:01 PM

BronyMedic:
The officer was in his Sheriff Department uniform and clearly identified as law enforcement, not as a private security guard...


FYI: In Texas, assaulting a security officer in the conduct of their duty is a felony and a security officer can effect a legal arrest for it... or shoot you if you try to run them over.
 
2012-12-09 01:28:08 PM
The best part of this is that all the women in the group can likely be found guilty of murder
 
2012-12-09 01:28:49 PM

Rich Cream: Ficoce: Is there any reason I couldn't contract with the dept?


I believe the accepted method for preferential treatment is to make large cash donations to the department.


Oh, it's the same arrangement the politicians have! Makes sense - Thanks.
 
2012-12-09 01:29:26 PM

Mr. Carpenter: Or maybe, as par for the course, the article linked to on Fark is the vaguest and least informative article on the interwebs, and even a cursory google search of "Shelly Frey, Houston, Shooting" reveals boat loads more information...
Such as...

Shelly Frey was a passenger in the car, not the driver.
Shelly Frey was not the woman that struck the officer with her purse.
The officer did not actually see them shoplift ANYTHING.
The cop was BESIDE the car.
The car was moving FORWARD.

These facts all destroy the narrative of "crazy shop lifter gets shot while running police down with her car," and the people clinging to the infallibility of law enforcement really really really want to believe that narrative for this thread.


Actually, reading some of the articles under that name, it gets worse.

The family is saying that he shot her as she was driving forward. And then, other articles, like the Daily Fail Say that the woman that was driving was the person he was aiming for, and he shot Frey instead.
 
2012-12-09 01:29:47 PM

BravadoGT: Reading this from Lubbock Online-It sounds like a good shooting:


See, I LOVE the expression "good shooting". If the shooting can be rationalized away so that somehow the officer was "in fear", then taking a person's life was "good".

What is "good" about this? Sure, the person was a lowlife, and if you look at other articles, she had been caught shoplifting at another Wal-Mart a few weeks before and had promised to never again enter any Wal-Mart property. But was her life really unredeemable? Did she deserve to die? Did she really have any intention whatsoever on killing the officer in order to get away with her shoplifted items?

Then what makes this "good"? We've talked a lot about George Zimmerman and whether he had a right to shoot Trayvon Martin; his justification was that he was "in fear for his life". Did that make his shooting "good"? Should we shoot anyone who could possibly cause us harm? Do I have the right to kill someone who just wants to start a bar fight with me?

In my opinion, shootings are never "good". Our police forces are trained to protect themselves, no matter what the cost, yet they demand virtual hero worship for "putting their lives on the line" every day so that we can be safe. If that's the case, then the main focus of their job, their number one priority, should be protecting other people, not themselves.

In the article, the cop has the door open and is between the door and the driver when the driver accelerated away. Some articles say the cop claims he was "dragged". What does this mean? Is he hanging by his uniform with his knees and the sides of his shoes scraping along the pavement for a few hundred yards, or did the side of the car bump him and put him off balance as the car sped away? Please note that in no article does the cop make the claim that anyone pointed a weapon at him.

In any event, there were two small children in the car. Shooting into the car while it is speeding away was reckless and endangered the lives of the innocent. The cop, no matter what justification he has for firing his weapon, at the VERY least endangered the lives of the children in order to protect his own, and in the worst, shot at a fleeing suspect, endangering the lives of children because he was upset the suspect did not comply with his commands.

"Good" shooting, my ass.
 
2012-12-09 01:30:57 PM

DanZero: Fantastic. Another greenlight with a poor headline.

Save money, live die better. walmart


Once again, the joke was supposed to be that the suspects were unaware of Wal-Mart's new policy of killing suspected shoplifters. I could have phrased it better.
 
2012-12-09 01:31:03 PM

Old Man Winter: Although, I do want to know why everyone think sucking cop dick is so bad? As a woman, I need to get out of a lot of parking tickets, because as an Asian Woman, I cannot drive properly or do math, which as an Asian Woman is paradoxical. I think cop "cock taste good". Which is like October 13th or something in some language.



You're going to have to do better than some old Don Rickle "Puerto Ricans steal hubcaps" schtick.
 
2012-12-09 01:31:17 PM

Apik0r0s: cheap tricks


www.nashvillescene.com

With extended clip and laser sights!
 
2012-12-09 01:31:42 PM

pagstuff: The best part of this is that all the women in the group can likely be found guilty of murder


pagstuff: The best part of this is that all the women in the group can likely be found guilty of murder


Plus the assault and attempted murder of the Peas Officer.
 
2012-12-09 01:32:54 PM

thamike: Apik0r0s: cheap tricks

[www.nashvillescene.com image 566x408]

With extended clip and laser sights!


Bless his little heart. He's trying so hard.
 
2012-12-09 01:33:05 PM

BronyMedic: BraveNewCheneyWorld: The fact that you think it takes psychic power to know this says quite a bit about your understanding of basic human nature. It says you have none.

No, the fact of the matter is you're making statements that are either:

A) Blatant, obviously biased assumptions not supported by any of the news articles.


Well, I'm assuming he's human, and I read the article. Look, you can go all "you can't know that" all you want, but this is pretty obvious stuff. If you honestly have a hard time believing that his motivation can be easily known, then you really probably have some sort of mental/social skill deficiency. I'm not actually trying to insult you, but seriously, your idea that this is a remotely complex series of stimuli, reaction and motivation, is idiotic.
 
2012-12-09 01:35:00 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Well, I'm assuming he's human, and I read the article. Look, you can go all "you can't know that" all you want, but this is pretty obvious stuff. If you honestly have a hard time believing that his motivation can be easily known, then you really probably have some sort of mental/social skill deficiency. I'm not actually trying to insult you, but seriously, your idea that this is a remotely complex series of stimuli, reaction and motivation, is idiotic.


Actually, I was referring to your insinuation that the woman was shot for "Resisting While Black".

Well, if you're willing to do some google digging, we can solve this easily.

There is a security camera video which shows the entire incident. Stills have been leaked to the media of the moment right before the shot was fired, apparantly.
 
2012-12-09 01:35:19 PM

pippi longstocking: Dear Subtard:
The headline is totally misleading, I read nothing about children, nor did it gave me the impression that the deputy was acting unlawfully. The man gave several warnings, was assaulted, and even dragged by a car.


The headline discusses details from the redlit thread. There were indeed two small children in the car, and the cop fired at the car as it sped away. Please Google around for more detailed articles; I picked this one because no one had submitted this particular article yet.
 
2012-12-09 01:36:31 PM

Rich Cream: Old Man Winter: Although, I do want to know why everyone think sucking cop dick is so bad? As a woman, I need to get out of a lot of parking tickets, because as an Asian Woman, I cannot drive properly or do math, which as an Asian Woman is paradoxical. I think cop "cock taste good". Which is like October 13th or something in some language.


You're going to have to do better than some old Don Rickle "Puerto Ricans steal hubcaps" schtick.


How about, How do you keep Attractive and Successful African-Americans from stealing your stuff? Hang one in the yard. See I could have used the N-word, but since I ain't black I are not allowed.
 
2012-12-09 01:37:12 PM

BronyMedic: Actually, reading some of the articles under that name, it gets worse.


At this point I'm not certain whether any of the people involved actually exist.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-09 01:40:30 PM

BronyMedic: There is a security camera video which shows the entire incident. Stills have been leaked to the media of the moment right before the shot was fired, apparantly.



Why, would you say, was the officer's weapon drawn before the assault occurred? (obviously not the purse strike, which probably isn't deadly)
 
2012-12-09 01:41:43 PM

CreamFilling: BlackMtnMan: I'm still trying to find the dammm kids. WTF?

Presumably subby was talking about the other two shoplifters, ages 27 and 38. Not that it would surprise me if they actually did bring kids along. They would probably make you look less suspicious as a shoplifter or you might think they'd afford you a little leniency. Or maybe you just can't find a babysitter.


No, subby was talking about the TWO YOUNG CHILDREN also in the car, which the linked article neglected to mention.
 
2012-12-09 01:42:21 PM

BronyMedic: There is a security camera video which shows the entire incident. Stills have been leaked to the media of the moment right before the shot was fired, apparantly.


Video be brokeded for me.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-09 01:43:01 PM

Rich Cream: Why, would you say, was the officer's weapon drawn before the assault occurred? (obviously not the purse strike, which probably isn't deadly)


The only reason I can think of that the officer drew his weapon when she got into the car and he approached would be because he couldn't see her, or the passenger's hands, and had reason to assume they could have had a weapon. It's not at all uncommon. You can get a cop to draw his gun on a traffic stop, for example, just by making a sudden move to reach below the seat.

Cops can be twitchy for some reason. Couldn't ever imagine why.
 
2012-12-09 01:43:03 PM
The correct thing for the off-duty cop to do was let her go. He escalated the situation, and now a human being is dead, over some crap stolen from Wally World.

The reason he felt free to do this is because he knows cops in the USA are rarely prosecuted or even fired for causing deaths of human beings, no matter how culpable or stupid their actions. They can't even be sued, that burden falls on the very taxpayers they abuse.

Was she an upstanding member of society? Certainly not.
Was her taste in makeup awful? Clearly.
Did she deserve to die? Your answer reflects your own level of civilization. Perhaps you'd be happier in the Middle East?

All you ITGs are only comfortable justifying her death because deep down you know this shiat doesn't often happen to middle class white people like you.
 
2012-12-09 01:43:56 PM

Rich Cream: BronyMedic: There is a security camera video which shows the entire incident. Stills have been leaked to the media of the moment right before the shot was fired, apparantly.


Why, would you say, was the officer's weapon drawn before the assault occurred? (obviously not the purse strike, which probably isn't deadly)


With the watermelon and 40's in it, it might be.
 
2012-12-09 01:44:12 PM

BravadoGT: One more thing--she was already on probation for shoplifting...from Walmart! As part of her probation, she wasn't even allowed to be in a Walmart...

Here's a pic of the delicate little flower...

[www.digitaljournal.com image 281x371]


Wow! She looks like a Kardashian! Acutally, she is just as talented as a Kardashian too. Kardashians cannot sing, dance or act and she cannot shoplift.
 
2012-12-09 01:45:02 PM
It sounds like the one woman did not seek medical help for injured friend until it was too late because she wanted to put the stolen items in the house first.
 
2012-12-09 01:46:31 PM

accelerus: Runs over a cop trying to escape after stealing.


No, she didn't. Please find ANY article that claims she did anything other than try to escape, or that she intentionally hit the cop.

accelerus: Yes, I'm going to go ahead and say that nothing of value was lost in this person being killed.


Except a human life. Are you in favor of the death penalty for all those who habitually commit petty theft? Do you feel this person's life was truly unredeemable, and that her own children deserve to live without a mother?

accelerus: Call me whatever you like


Okay, you're a callous person with little regard for human life that makes rather disingenuous (rather than factual) statements about the events in question in order to justify his position.
 
2012-12-09 01:46:37 PM

BronyMedic: Rich Cream: Why, would you say, was the officer's weapon drawn before the assault occurred? (obviously not the purse strike, which probably isn't deadly)

The only reason I can think of that the officer drew his weapon when she got into the car and he approached would be because he couldn't see her, or the passenger's hands, and had reason to assume they could have had a weapon. It's not at all uncommon. You can get a cop to draw his gun on a traffic stop, for example, just by making a sudden move to reach below the seat.

Cops can be twitchy for some reason. Couldn't ever imagine why.


You seem to believe in a world where everyone should be ready to stick their hands up at any given second because well, there need to be guns, lots of guns, and so that's how cops are and we all just have to put up with it and the risk of being "accidentally" shot. What a sad view of the world.

Have you ever been to a country where cops act for the most part like civilized human beings, and people just don't think about guns? I'm thinking Western Europe.
 
2012-12-09 01:49:36 PM

ox45tallboy: titwrench: Misleading headline of the year.

Please point out what was misleading about the headline.

If journalists want continued notification of police press conferences, as well as updates on breaking news, they are going to print the official police story. I'm not trying to say that journalists should be discounted, just that you should be aware when reading stories like this that you are getting the story from one side - a person who is justifying the fact that he took a human life.

I'm still not seeing how the cop's life really was in danger, or that by firing his weapon into the vehicle, he saved his own life.


The article subby provided does not support his submitted headline. There is no mention of children in the car and they weren't speeding away he was being dragged. It was an intentional hyperbole to get people riled up. It worked 300+ comments on a Sunday is pretty good.
 
2012-12-09 01:49:45 PM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: It sounds like the one woman did not seek medical help for injured friend until it was too late because she wanted to put the stolen items in the house first.


That is a good point.
 
2012-12-09 01:49:58 PM

thamike: Funny thing is you're aiming your fully loaded ire at a liberal.


Run the heat on? Really? Wow. He sounds like a bad extra in an 80s Cop Action Flick.

Man. I'm sad I ignored this guy. He's actually getting mad. This is RICH.

But no. Let him keep calling me an Authoritarian Red State Lover. It amuses me.

thamike: Well, this happened:


Mike. I love you. We don't see eye to eye at times, but I do love you. Have I told you that lately?

Here. Have a Beretta 9MM as my present to you.

401ak47.com
 
2012-12-09 01:50:54 PM

BronyMedic: Rich Cream: Why, would you say, was the officer's weapon drawn before the assault occurred? (obviously not the purse strike, which probably isn't deadly)

The only reason I can think of that the officer drew his weapon when she got into the car and he approached would be because he couldn't see her, or the passenger's hands, and had reason to assume they could have had a weapon. It's not at all uncommon. You can get a cop to draw his gun on a traffic stop, for example, just by making a sudden move to reach below the seat.

Cops can be twitchy for some reason. Couldn't ever imagine why.


I am familiar with the risks of police work. We were trained to stand back of the door because people swing it out as a weapon. We certainly were not trained to jerk open the door while brandishing a weapon and insert ourselves into the opening so as to escalate a situation possibly causing the over reaction of the driver and harm to myself.

The officer is responsible for about 90% of what occurred.


/if he thought they were armed why did he open the door and place himself in the line of fire?
 
2012-12-09 01:52:10 PM

BronyMedic: thamike: Funny thing is you're aiming your fully loaded ire at a liberal.

Run the heat on? Really? Wow. He sounds like a bad extra in an 80s Cop Action Flick.

Man. I'm sad I ignored this guy. He's actually getting mad. This is RICH.

But no. Let him keep calling me an Authoritarian Red State Lover. It amuses me.

thamike: Well, this happened:

Mike. I love you. We don't see eye to eye at times, but I do love you. Have I told you that lately?

Here. Have a Beretta 9MM as my present to you.

[401ak47.com image 550x260]



He's actually got me curious about all this impacted bowel business. What's that about?
 
2012-12-09 01:52:59 PM

BravadoGT: Theaetetus: BravadoGT: Reading this from Lubbock Online-It sounds like a good shooting:

HOUSTON

Authorities are investigating the fatal shooting of a suspected shoplifter by a sheriff's deputy during a confrontation outside a Houston-area Wal-Mart store.

Officials say Harris County sheriff's Deputy Louis Campbell confronted several female suspects suspected of stealing from the store Thursday evening.

Sheriff's spokesman Thomas Gilliland says Campbell chased one of the suspects after she hit him. The woman then entered a car. Gilliland says that when Campbell opened the car's door, the vehicle accelerated. The deputy was standing between the car door and driver's seat and, fearing for his life, fired his weapon.

[image.shutterstock.com image 300x470]
What a person standing between a car door and driver's seat may look like.

I don't think he's in danger unless the car is going backwards.

Right, because there's no way once the car starts moving and knocks him balance, he could fall under the rear wheels....


Given how most vehicles have forward traction, that's pretty unlikely.
 
2012-12-09 01:53:20 PM
We cherish consumer goods over anything else, so why not die and kill for them?
 
2012-12-09 01:53:40 PM

ox45tallboy: accelerus: Runs over a cop trying to escape after stealing.

No, she didn't. Please find ANY article that claims she did anything other than try to escape, or that she intentionally hit the cop.

'She threw it in reverse and tried to run over the deputy."

Link

 
2012-12-09 01:53:47 PM

ParaHandy: Did she deserve to die? Your answer reflects your own level of civilization. Perhaps you'd be happier in the Middle East?


Ghandi did say that the greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.
 
2012-12-09 01:55:02 PM
BronyMedic: Rich Cream: Why, would you say, was the officer's weapon drawn before the assault occurred? (obviously not the purse strike, which probably isn't deadly)

The only reason I can think of that the officer drew his weapon when she got into the car and he approached would be because he couldn't see her, or the passenger's hands, and had reason to assume they could have had a weapon. It's not at all uncommon. You can get a cop to draw his gun on a traffic stop, for example, just by making a sudden move to reach below the seat.

Cops can be twitchy for some reason. Couldn't ever imagine why.

I'm with the guy who hypothesized that you are a frustrated cop wannabe who comes only as close to being an authority figure by wearing an EMT uniform. Your words just drip with hero worship.
 
2012-12-09 01:55:13 PM

ParaHandy: Have you ever been to a country where cops act for the most part like civilized human beings, and people just don't think about guns? I'm thinking Western Europe.


I'm also willing to bet they don't have the same ratio of firearms in the common use by the populace there either. Sadly, we have red state morons who think any attempt to limit them from having AK-744 Mark 0 Ver Colt M4A Assault weapons with Dum Dum bullets means the Government is one step away from imposing martial Obama law.

But, since we've mentioned Western Europe:

static.guim.co.uk

London's looking Stylish with their MP5s. (Beautiful weapon, by the way.)

www.hurriyetdailynews.com

Paris, France. I think I saw that gun in Goldeneye.

www.commondreams.org

FABULOUS Italian Police with their Beretta 9mm. That white is rather stylish.

static.guim.co.uk

Spain is sporting some stylish shotguns.

img3.allvoices.com

Germany.
 
2012-12-09 01:55:47 PM

BronyMedic: We don't see eye to eye at times


Hell, we don't even see eye to eye on this. I think the cop's a total f*ckup. Doesn't change how fun it is to rattle the ITG freedom fighting revolutionaries who have never been arrested in their entire lives.
 
2012-12-09 01:56:35 PM
Don't know if its already been said because I didn't read all the posts, but the officer was being dragged by the car. If everyone would read the article you would see the known facts. He opened the door and told them to get out, they drove off dragging the officer. The officers life was indeed in danger, and we now have one dead retard.
 
2012-12-09 01:57:07 PM

Molavian: ParaHandy: Did she deserve to die? Your answer reflects your own level of civilization. Perhaps you'd be happier in the Middle East?

Ghandi did say that the greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.


He also liked sleeping next to naked, pre-pubescent girls.
 
2012-12-09 01:57:34 PM

BronyMedic: edmo: Subby, I'll dump on dumb cops anytime but this incident is not as you headlined it. Not nice.

I hope subby brought a bigger boat. The only thing that could have trolled people more could have been something about Gay Atheists and their War on Christmas, brought to you by Fox News.


I stand by the accuracy of the headline, although I will readily admit that the article I chose to link to did not list all of the details I mentioned.
 
2012-12-09 01:57:53 PM

thamike: He's actually got me curious about all this impacted bowel business. What's that about?


Apparently he thinks that the entire population of Memphis is black (So he's a racist, or at the very least a race-baiter), and that a Paramedic is the same thing as an LPN (CNAs are not legally allowed to administer enemas or perform fecal impaction removal in Tennessee)

Insatiable Jesus: I'm with the guy who hypothesized that you are a frustrated cop wannabe who comes only as close to being an authority figure by wearing an EMT uniform. Your words just drip with hero worship.


On the other hand, it could happen to be that my Grandfather was a Naval Master Chief who served as an SPman/Master at Arms for his 30 year naval career, and was the man that raised me. That too.
 
2012-12-09 01:58:27 PM

Old Man Winter: Molavian: ParaHandy: Did she deserve to die? Your answer reflects your own level of civilization. Perhaps you'd be happier in the Middle East?

Ghandi did say that the greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.

He also liked sleeping next to naked, pre-pubescent girls.


Hey, bro, it was a different time. Rock n Roll was a way of life.
 
2012-12-09 01:58:56 PM

BronyMedic: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Well, I'm assuming he's human, and I read the article. Look, you can go all "you can't know that" all you want, but this is pretty obvious stuff. If you honestly have a hard time believing that his motivation can be easily known, then you really probably have some sort of mental/social skill deficiency. I'm not actually trying to insult you, but seriously, your idea that this is a remotely complex series of stimuli, reaction and motivation, is idiotic.

Actually, I was referring to your insinuation that the woman was shot for "Resisting While Black".


Can show me where I insinuated that? I only think he went into rage mode because he was hit with a purse. I neither said nor insinuated that it had anything to do with color.
 
2012-12-09 01:59:27 PM

Jegred2: Don't know if its already been said because I didn't read all the posts, but the officer was being dragged by the car. If everyone would read the article you would see the known facts. He opened the door and told them to get out, they drove off dragging the officer. The officers life was indeed in danger, and we now have one dead retard.



Well we pretty much said you get dragged by a car because you refuse to let go of it. Not because your foot got tangled in the seat belt.
 
2012-12-09 01:59:41 PM

BronyMedic: Apparently he thinks that the entire population of Memphis is black (So he's a racist, or at the very least a race-baiter), and that a Paramedic is the same thing as an LPN (CNAs are not legally allowed to administer enemas or perform fecal impaction removal in Tennessee)


Yeah, but he's implying that he has specific evidence that you're neck deep in African American bowels.
 
2012-12-09 02:00:32 PM

thamike: Old Man Winter: Molavian: ParaHandy: Did she deserve to die? Your answer reflects your own level of civilization. Perhaps you'd be happier in the Middle East?

Ghandi did say that the greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.

He also liked sleeping next to naked, pre-pubescent girls.

Hey, bro, it was a different time. Rock n Roll was a way of life.


We have to respect different cultures.
 
2012-12-09 02:01:02 PM
After reading the article and learning that the deceased was from NOLA, the deputy deserves a medal for eliminating another Katrina refugee that won't go home.
 
2012-12-09 02:01:25 PM

thamike: Hell, we don't even see eye to eye on this. I think the cop's a total f*ckup.


Oh, on further reading and research, I'm inclined to agree. The original article doesn't have near the wealth of information that is out there, and doesn't have the victim's name, which is why...

ox45tallboy: I stand by the accuracy of the headline, although I will readily admit that the article I chose to link to did not list all of the details I mentioned.


I vote this man for troll of the year. I salute him, and would gladly buy him a beer.

thamike: Hey, bro, it was a different time. Rock n Roll was a way of life.


But Ghandi chose the Gary Glitter way of life.
 
2012-12-09 02:01:38 PM

milsorgen: Got it. A significant percentage of Cops are out of control frat boys.


There you go.
 
2012-12-09 02:03:01 PM

thamike: Yeah, but he's implying that he has specific evidence that you're neck deep in African American bowels.


Hey, man. I can't be responsible for other people's sexual fetishes. Different strokes for different folks.

Although, personally, I don't see what's wrong with making love to an African American Woman's Anus. I don't discriminate like that. All that matters is that she's between Size 7 and Size 14, and between the age of 18 and 45. Everyone's pink and slippery on the inside.
 
2012-12-09 02:03:21 PM

Molavian: thamike: Old Man Winter: Molavian: ParaHandy: Did she deserve to die? Your answer reflects your own level of civilization. Perhaps you'd be happier in the Middle East?

Ghandi did say that the greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.

He also liked sleeping next to naked, pre-pubescent girls.

Hey, bro, it was a different time. Rock n Roll was a way of life.

We have to respect different cultures.


I wasn't judging. I mean the Dalai Lama has explicitly said that gays can never reach Nirvana because they are disgusting and he is all cool and stuff.
 
2012-12-09 02:04:16 PM

Jegred2: Don't know if its already been said because I didn't read all the posts, but the officer was being dragged by the car. If everyone would read the article you would see the known facts. He opened the door and told them to get out, they drove off dragging the officer. The officers life was indeed in danger, and we now have one dead retard.


The officer, instead of writing down the license plate number of the car, put himself into a situation he didn't feel comfortable in, then the same officer opens fire because he felt his life was in danger, from something stupid he had done.

$10 is worth killing somebody over.
 
2012-12-09 02:04:38 PM

Click Click D'oh: After reading the article and learning that the deceased was from NOLA, the deputy deserves a medal for eliminating another Katrina refugee that won't go home.


Nice.
 
2012-12-09 02:04:45 PM

BronyMedic: Hey, man. I can't be responsible for other people's sexual fetishes. Different strokes for different folks.

Although, personally, I don't see what's wrong with making love to an African American Woman's Anus. I don't discriminate like that. All that matters is that she's between Size 7 and Size 14, and between the age of 18 and 45. Everyone's pink and slippery on the inside.




Damn straight. So what gives, apik0r0s? You ever gobble some ass, my man?
 
2012-12-09 02:04:55 PM
Can't believe people still shop lift with all the cameras and RFID chips around. It's a death sentence.
 
2012-12-09 02:05:26 PM

Click Click D'oh: After reading the article and learning that the deceased was from NOLA, the deputy deserves a medal for eliminating another Katrina refugee that won't go home.


Classy. Did you wash that Members Only Jacket before you returned it, too?
 
2012-12-09 02:05:53 PM

filter: In the civilized world, this is considered murder.

A human life for a property crime? Maybe in Saudi Arabia.


I'm checking google maps and can't seem to find the place you described
 
2012-12-09 02:06:17 PM

Jeff73: At this point all I know for certain is the person who wrote TFA needs to borrow a Clarity in Reporting textbook.


Either that or the author of the article is trying to put together a story from police reports that are somewhat conflicting and written on a 7th-grade level, as is often the case.

Problem is, you either put down what the cops say happened, or else you don't get invited to press conferences and are not given access to other news stories.
 
2012-12-09 02:09:18 PM

Deep Contact: Can't believe people still shop lift with all the cameras and RFID chips around. It's a death sentence.


Trader Joe's is really the only safe place left.
 
2012-12-09 02:11:34 PM

thamike: Damn straight. So what gives, apik0r0s? You ever gobble some ass, my man?


I don't think we'll get an answer. A bunch of my posts just disappeared. Including your photo.

As much as I'd like to take credit for bringing in the modhammer on this one, I think he reported me because I got some stern warnings.
 
2012-12-09 02:12:42 PM

BronyMedic: ParaHandy: Have you ever been to a country where cops act for the most part like civilized human beings, and people just don't think about guns? I'm thinking Western Europe.

I'm also willing to bet they don't have the same ratio of firearms in the common use by the populace there either. Sadly, we have red state morons who think any attempt to limit them from having AK-744 Mark 0 Ver Colt M4A Assault weapons with Dum Dum bullets means the Government is one step away from imposing martial Obama law.

But, since we've mentioned Western Europe:

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

London's looking Stylish with their MP5s. (Beautiful weapon, by the way.)

[www.hurriyetdailynews.com image 350x229]

Paris, France. I think I saw that gun in Goldeneye.

[www.commondreams.org image 350x233]

FABULOUS Italian Police with their Beretta 9mm. That white is rather stylish.

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

Spain is sporting some stylish shotguns.

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Germany.


I'm from the UK, and used to work in an MoD facility where armed police are routine .... you can walk up to and chat with the British cops with the machine guns, and they are friendly as long as you're not distracting them from what they're looking out for.

Patrol cops in the UK almost never pull guns on people ... when they do it's national news.
 
2012-12-09 02:14:40 PM
Oh, well.
 
2012-12-09 02:15:01 PM

BronyMedic: There is a security camera video which shows the entire incident. Stills have been leaked to the media of the moment right before the shot was fired, apparantly.


I'm not seeing this in your link.
 
2012-12-09 02:15:01 PM

ParaHandy: I'm from the UK, and used to work in an MoD facility where armed police are routine .... you can walk up to and chat with the British cops with the machine guns, and they are friendly as long as you're not distracting them from what they're looking out for.


You do realize that you can do that in the United States too, right? No one's going to taze you for walking up and talking to them.

I regularly chat up the Memphis guys when I'm off. We don't cover Memphis Metro, only the county, so I don't even know any of those guys. And my car doesn't have anything on it indicating what I do. (I drive a speed ticket magnet. Love the car, but hate the attention it gets on 40 with out of county tags.)
 
2012-12-09 02:15:50 PM

ox45tallboy: BronyMedic: There is a security camera video which shows the entire incident. Stills have been leaked to the media of the moment right before the shot was fired, apparantly.

I'm not seeing this in your link.


Yeah, me neither.
 
2012-12-09 02:17:04 PM

ox45tallboy: I'm not seeing this in your link.


Trying to find it. It was a security camera still I saw when I was googling her name.
 
2012-12-09 02:18:02 PM

titwrench: The article subby provided does not support his submitted headline. There is no mention of children in the car and they weren't speeding away he was being dragged. It was an intentional hyperbole to get people riled up. It worked 300+ comments on a Sunday is pretty good.


All of the other articles I found with more details had already been submitted.

Sometimes, if you would like to know more about a story, you can Google a few keywords and hit the "News" selection. You can't always have your information spoon-fed to you.
 
2012-12-09 02:18:07 PM

ox45tallboy: Bathia_Mapes: I'm pretty sure Walmart's shoplifter procedures apply to their employees only, not an off duty cop who happened to be there .

Oh, and the joke was supposed to be the shoplifters were not aware that Wal-Mart now kills fires weapons at suspected shoplifters.


/FTFY
//constable here in Kentucky got in trouble (lawsuit pending,too) for firing his weapon at a Wal-Mart shoplifter.

Link
 
2012-12-09 02:20:06 PM

thamike: Yeah, me neither.


ox45tallboy: I'm not seeing this in your link.


Sorry. This one is my bad. I saw the left half of this cropped, and for some reason thought it was part of a security video.

i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2012-12-09 02:21:07 PM

Old Man Winter: ox45tallboy: accelerus: Runs over a cop trying to escape after stealing.

No, she didn't. Please find ANY article that claims she did anything other than try to escape, or that she intentionally hit the cop.

'She threw it in reverse and tried to run over the deputy."

Link


You left out the sentence just before that one:

A spokesperson for the Sheriff's Office said

But you did indeed find a single article which did state that she tried to run over the cop. I stand corrected, but I will point out that the person making the statement was not a witness, and might possibly be somewhat biased.
 
2012-12-09 02:23:34 PM

Jegred2: Don't know if its already been said because I didn't read all the posts, but the officer was being dragged by the car. If everyone would read the article you would see the known facts. He opened the door and told them to get out, they drove off dragging the officer. The officers life was indeed in danger, and we now have one dead retard.


This is actually a point of contention. Other news articles state that the cop was "nearly" dragged, and there are also conflicting reports about whether the car was moving forward or in reverse.

In any event, how in the hell does shooting a PASSENGER in the neck protect you from being run over?
 
2012-12-09 02:25:18 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: BronyMedic: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Well, I'm assuming he's human, and I read the article. Look, you can go all "you can't know that" all you want, but this is pretty obvious stuff. If you honestly have a hard time believing that his motivation can be easily known, then you really probably have some sort of mental/social skill deficiency. I'm not actually trying to insult you, but seriously, your idea that this is a remotely complex series of stimuli, reaction and motivation, is idiotic.

Actually, I was referring to your insinuation that the woman was shot for "Resisting While Black".

Can show me where I insinuated that? I only think he went into rage mode because he was hit with a purse. I neither said nor insinuated that it had anything to do with color.


Still waiting...
 
2012-12-09 02:25:35 PM

ox45tallboy: Old Man Winter: ox45tallboy: accelerus: Runs over a cop trying to escape after stealing.

No, she didn't. Please find ANY article that claims she did anything other than try to escape, or that she intentionally hit the cop.

'She threw it in reverse and tried to run over the deputy."

Link

You left out the sentence just before that one:

A spokesperson for the Sheriff's Office said

But you did indeed find a single article which did state that she tried to run over the cop. I stand corrected, but I will point out that the person making the statement was not a witness, and might possibly be somewhat biased.


Yeah, I know, but as it was the very first article that Google News listed and explosively ruined your argument (not really), I had to post it.
 
2012-12-09 02:26:15 PM

ox45tallboy: titwrench: The article subby provided does not support his submitted headline. There is no mention of children in the car and they weren't speeding away he was being dragged. It was an intentional hyperbole to get people riled up. It worked 300+ comments on a Sunday is pretty good.

All of the other articles I found with more details had already been submitted.

Sometimes, if you would like to know more about a story, you can Google a few keywords and hit the "News" selection. You can't always have your information spoon-fed to you.


There is no need to be a jerk. Your headline did not match the information provided in the article YOU chose therefore the additional information you provided, taken at face value appeared to be intentionally misguiding. You fell short, own it.
 
2012-12-09 02:26:21 PM

BronyMedic: I vote this man for troll of the year. I salute him, and would gladly buy him a beer.


Hey, what was I supposed to do? The other articles mentioning the facts from the headline had already been submitted.
 
2012-12-09 02:26:29 PM

BronyMedic: thamike: Damn straight. So what gives, apik0r0s? You ever gobble some ass, my man?

I don't think we'll get an answer. A bunch of my posts just disappeared. Including your photo.

As much as I'd like to take credit for bringing in the modhammer on this one, I think he reported me because I got some stern warnings.



Wow.

*Favorite - BronyMedic, color - purple - Caption - "juvenile douche bag mod snitch"*
 
2012-12-09 02:26:33 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Still waiting...


You're right. I confused you with another poster who has since been removed from the thread because he reported the posts to the mods. You can berate me now for doing so.
 
2012-12-09 02:28:13 PM

Psycoholic_Slag: Wow.

*Favorite - BronyMedic, color - purple - Caption - "juvenile douche bag mod snitch"*


WTF?

I love getting blamed for things I didn't do. I never even contacted the mods about this thread until just now to disclose I didn't.

In fact, I give the modmins FREE AND OPEN permission to out me if I reported ANYONE in this thread.
 
2012-12-09 02:29:29 PM

Psycoholic_Slag: Wow.

*Favorite - BronyMedic, color - purple - Caption - "juvenile douche bag mod snitch"*




I think he was referring to allowing some psycho to fall on his own sword by snitching, not being a snitch himself.
 
2012-12-09 02:30:15 PM

titwrench: There is no need to be a jerk. Your headline did not match the information provided in the article YOU chose therefore the additional information you provided, taken at face value appeared to be intentionally misguiding. You fell short, own it.


If I didn't want to own it, I would have never outed myself as subby.

But if it will make you feel better, I apologize for submitting a headline with more information than was provided in the article I linked to.

However, the headline IS accurate.
 
2012-12-09 02:30:17 PM

Old Man Winter: Molavian: thamike: Old Man Winter: Molavian: ParaHandy: Did she deserve to die? Your answer reflects your own level of civilization. Perhaps you'd be happier in the Middle East?

Ghandi did say that the greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.

He also liked sleeping next to naked, pre-pubescent girls.

Hey, bro, it was a different time. Rock n Roll was a way of life.

We have to respect different cultures.

I wasn't judging. I mean the Dalai Lama has explicitly said that gays can never reach Nirvana because they are disgusting and he is all cool and stuff.


I mean, can you blame him? Have you ever met a gay dude that was after the imperturbable stillness of mind after the fires of desire burn out? I'm pretty sure they do that on most nights of the week.
 
2012-12-09 02:30:21 PM

ox45tallboy: Shooting at a fleeing car might look great in an action movie, but it makes you look like a total dick unconcerned with public safety when it happens in real life.


You have to admire his aim, though. I wonder if he recreated the end of Chinatown.
 
2012-12-09 02:31:58 PM

thamike: I think he was referring to allowing some psycho to fall on his own sword by snitching, not being a snitch himself.


I put in a mod ticket asking them to out me if I reported anything in this thread. Next thing you know, I'll be having to testify about my friends being communists. Oh, and turning people into newts.
 
2012-12-09 02:32:55 PM

Molavian: Have you ever met a gay dude that was after the imperturbable stillness of mind after the fires of desire burn out?


26.media.tumblr.com

I think we all have.
 
2012-12-09 02:33:29 PM

ox45tallboy: titwrench: There is no need to be a jerk. Your headline did not match the information provided in the article YOU chose therefore the additional information you provided, taken at face value appeared to be intentionally misguiding. You fell short, own it.

If I didn't want to own it, I would have never outed myself as subby.

But if it will make you feel better, I apologize for submitting a headline with more information than was provided in the article I linked to.

However, the headline IS accurate.


Fair enough.
 
2012-12-09 02:36:16 PM

BronyMedic: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Still waiting...

You're right. I confused you with another poster who has since been removed from the thread because he reported the posts to the mods. You can berate me now for doing so.


Sucks, because I called him a gaytard and never got a response from him.
 
2012-12-09 02:36:41 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Cataholic: So you don't think that someone who would assault an armed, uniformed police officer and then flee from them might be a danger to society? Especially when the ramifications of surrendering to said officer would have likely been a night in jail and some probation? Are you under the delusion that such a person would respect most of the other laws (like not murdering people) or that they would be more likely to surrender if accused of a much more serious crime (like assaulting a uniformed police officer) where years in prison were at stake?

Now that's hilarious! You're actually saying that because she smaked a police officer with a purse in an effort to flee, she might be a murderer and a menace to society? Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds?


People who assault cops and run from them might be dangerous.

OR

People who assault cops and run from them mean no harm to anyone.

I'll let you decide which one sounds more inane, although it sounds as if you live in a world where people who steal things and do WHATEVER THEY GOTTA DO to get away with it are simply misunderstood.
 
2012-12-09 02:37:17 PM

BronyMedic: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Still waiting...

You're right. I confused you with another poster who has since been removed from the thread because he reported the posts to the mods. You can berate me now for doing so.


As long as you're not accusing me of that anymore, I'm good. Thanks for being honest.
 
2012-12-09 02:38:44 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: As long as you're not accusing me of that anymore, I'm good. Thanks for being honest.


Based on the information I had, I didn't agree with you, but you're right. I'm not the kind of person that's going to try to put someone else's bad behavior on another FARK poster, and then not call myself out on it.
 
2012-12-09 02:43:48 PM

BronyMedic: Rich Cream: Yeah, use graphics. A banning due to word usage is tough.

I got a time out on TotalFark Discussion for linking to that image of Goatse photoshopped to look like clouds that the Christians like to use so much on facebook to everyone's amusement.

Strangely enough, I don't get a time out for posting pictures of Halebja gas victims. Hmm.

HempHead: "A person is justified in using deadly force against another to pervent the other who is fleeing after committing burglary, robbery, or theft during the nighttime, from escaping with the property and he reasonable believes that the property cannot be recovered by any other means; or, the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the property would expose him or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury. (Nighttime is defined as the period 30 minutes after sunset until 30 minutes before sunrise.)"

You missed the part about her trying to run the guy over, which would be using a deadly weapon against a cop. But that's okay. Clearly you didn't RTFA either. Many posters have made the same mistake before voicing their righteous indignation.

Old Man Winter: You know, I have deliberately, repeatedly used Fark to spread Blood Libel against Jews, and have never been called out for it. Never. I think I actually stated once that Israel sacrificed Christian children to cause 9-11 and Catholics that do not kill a Jew have are sent to Purgatory.Sure, it might have been obvious it was a joke, but it never got me in trouble. So, other than posting graphic images, I really have no idea what you would do to get banninated.

You have made me fear for my mortal soul for laughing at this.


Cops always say the perp was going to hit them with the car. That's SOP. Video camera often tell a much different story. The autopsy will no doubt show a bullet to the back.
 
2012-12-09 02:47:10 PM

HempHead: Cops always say the perp was going to hit them with the car. That's SOP. Video camera often tell a much different story.


Since ox45tallboy is an epic troll who I owe a beer to, I'll link to the DailyFail, which has a LOT more information that is actually relevant to the case. The story is now that either he was knocked off his feet and the revolver "accidentally" discharged and struck her in the neck, or that he shot at the driver, missed her, and hit the other woman in the neck. Either way, he didn't hit the person he should have been shooting at if it went down the way the police spokesperson reports.

At any rate, the evidence involved is no longer being handled as an internal matter. The Grand Jury will make a determination over criminal charges. And the other thing is that, given that it happened right in front of Walmart's front door, it'll be on camera from more than one angle.
 
2012-12-09 02:49:02 PM

Cataholic: People who assault cops and run from them might be dangerous.

OR

People who assault cops and run from them mean no harm to anyone.

I'll let you decide which one sounds more inane, although it sounds as if you live in a world where people who steal things and do WHATEVER THEY GOTTA DO to get away with it are simply misunderstood.


Purse whacking, the slippery slope to murder and mayhem! You're not doing yourself any favors by continuing to argue this ludicrous position.

Old Man Winter: Sucks, because I called him a gaytard and never got a response from him.


I don't remember that in the slightest, but I probably wouldn't respond if that's all you said because it's simply designed as an insult, and my skin is a bit thicker than that.
 
2012-12-09 02:55:40 PM

foxyshadis: You have to admire his aim, though. I wonder if he recreated the end of Chinatown.


More like that scene from Last Action Hero when Ahnald fires at the fleeing car and is surprised when it doesn't blow up.
 
2012-12-09 02:57:05 PM

BronyMedic:
At any rate, the evidence involved is no longer being handled as an internal matter. The Grand Jury will make a determination over criminal charges.


Under Texas law, a Grand Jury always makes the determination to indict in a fatal shooting, law enforcement or civilian.

Anyways, it doesn't matter who he shot in the car as long as it was one of the participants in the criminal scheme. They were all engaged in the shoplifting event. They were all on the ticket for the assault on the officer since it was part of the original criminal scheme and they all were valid shooting targets to be engaged once the vehicle became involved. If the vehicle moved forwards or backwards with the officer in contact with the vehicle or it's occupants, the Grand Jury will No Bill him and the surviving participants in the criminal scheme will all likely be additionally charged with Felony Murder.
 
2012-12-09 02:57:56 PM

titwrench: ox45tallboy: titwrench: There is no need to be a jerk. Your headline did not match the information provided in the article YOU chose therefore the additional information you provided, taken at face value appeared to be intentionally misguiding. You fell short, own it.

If I didn't want to own it, I would have never outed myself as subby.

But if it will make you feel better, I apologize for submitting a headline with more information than was provided in the article I linked to.

However, the headline IS accurate.

Fair enough.


And I must say no one got my attempted joke in the headline. The joke was supposed to be that the shoplifters were unaware that Wal-Mart now kills suspected shoplifters; everyone seems to think that I meant the cop was unaware that Wal-Mart has a new policy of letting them go or something.
 
2012-12-09 02:58:51 PM

BronyMedic: HempHead: Cops always say the perp was going to hit them with the car. That's SOP. Video camera often tell a much different story.

Since ox45tallboy is an epic troll who I owe a beer to, I'll link to the DailyFail, which has a LOT more information that is actually relevant to the case. The story is now that either he was knocked off his feet and the revolver "accidentally" discharged and struck her in the neck, or that he shot at the driver, missed her, and hit the other woman in the neck. Either way, he didn't hit the person he should have been shooting at if it went down the way the police spokesperson reports.

At any rate, the evidence involved is no longer being handled as an internal matter. The Grand Jury will make a determination over criminal charges. And the other thing is that, given that it happened right in front of Walmart's front door, it'll be on camera from more than one angle.


So he shot the passenger in the neck after she hit him with her purse?? Nice.

The video should be quite enlightening.
 
2012-12-09 02:59:51 PM

HempHead: Cops always say the perp was going to hit them with the car. That's SOP. Video camera often tell a much different story. The autopsy will no doubt show a bullet to the back.


In this case, the physical evidence already shows a bullet to the neck. Of a PASSENGER who was not in control of the car and could not possibly have placed the officer's life in jeopardy.
 
2012-12-09 03:02:04 PM

HempHead: So he shot the passenger in the neck after she hit him with her purse?? Nice.

The video should be quite enlightening.


No. The person he shot was NOT the same woman that hit him with the bag.

I'm waiting to see whether the lady's purse brushed him as she walked by or if she swung it deliberately at the officer.

/in his defense, they were all black, so how was he supposed to tell them apart?
 
2012-12-09 03:04:35 PM

BronyMedic: Since ox45tallboy is an epic troll who I owe a beer to


Jeez, dude, why do you call me an "epic troll"? Sure, the headline was a little one-sided, but no more so than the police story. And it WAS accurate. It's just most of the articles I found had already been submitted, so I chose this one that didn't happen to contain the same information.

/I will take the beer, though
 
2012-12-09 03:04:51 PM

ox45tallboy: titwrench: ox45tallboy: titwrench: There is no need to be a jerk. Your headline did not match the information provided in the article YOU chose therefore the additional information you provided, taken at face value appeared to be intentionally misguiding. You fell short, own it.

If I didn't want to own it, I would have never outed myself as subby.

But if it will make you feel better, I apologize for submitting a headline with more information than was provided in the article I linked to.

However, the headline IS accurate.

Fair enough.

And I must say no one got my attempted joke in the headline. The joke was supposed to be that the shoplifters were unaware that Wal-Mart now kills suspected shoplifters; everyone seems to think that I meant the cop was unaware that Wal-Mart has a new policy of letting them go or something.


It picked up on it but I was stuck on the inconsistencies between headline and article. It was kind of like taking a guided tour at a museum but you can't concentrate on the art because the tour guide has a giant booger hanging out of his nose.
 
2012-12-09 03:06:37 PM

ox45tallboy: In this case, the physical evidence already shows a bullet to the neck. Of a PASSENGER who was not in control of the car and could not possibly have placed the officer's life in jeopardy.


Doesn't matter if she was a passenger, she's as culpable as the driver.
 
2012-12-09 03:07:06 PM

ox45tallboy: /in his defense, they were all black, so how was he supposed to tell them apart?


naturallymoi.com

Google Image Search for his name says this is the guy who shot the woman. He's also not a rookie, he's a 23 year veteran.
 
2012-12-09 03:13:29 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Doesn't matter if she was a passenger, she's as culpable as the driver.


Yes, but how does shooting the passenger protect the officer's life? He claims that he fired because he was "in fear for his life"; how in the world would shooting a passenger affect the situation?

Also, culpable of what? Shoplifting? Because that's all the other two women were charged with. Not resisting arrest, not assault on a peace officer, merely shoplifting. Is it okay that she died for this crime, or you think maybe it's a little harsh of a sentence? Especially considering she didn't even get a trial, and the cop who did the shooting didn't even witness the event, but was relying on second-hand information from loss prevention?
 
2012-12-09 03:16:09 PM

ox45tallboy: Yes, but how does shooting the passenger protect the officer's life? He claims that he fired because he was "in fear for his life"; how in the world would shooting a passenger affect the situation?


You're implying that the officer deliberately aimed at the passenger.
 
2012-12-09 03:18:08 PM

BravadoGT: One more thing--she was already on probation for shoplifting...from Walmart! As part of her probation, she wasn't even allowed to be in a Walmart...

Here's a pic of the delicate little flower...

[www.digitaljournal.com image 281x371]



Looks like she stole a Sharpie from one of her Mexican friends too.
Don't know about Texas, but here in Ohio, stealing something is theft, which is a misdemeanor. Using any kind of force or violence bumps your offense up to burglary which is a felony.
 
2012-12-09 03:18:16 PM

ox45tallboy: Not resisting arrest, not assault on a peace officer, merely shoplifting.


Because they have not yet been charged with these crimes does not mean that they won't be, or that the officer should not have acted in response to actions that clearly were resisting arrest and assault on a public servant.


ox45tallboy: Is it okay that she died for this crime..


She didn't get shot for shoplifting. She got shot because her accomplice was attempting to use a motor vehicle in a manner that endangered a police officer.

ox45tallboy: ... and the cop who did the shooting didn't even witness the event, but was relying on second-hand information from loss prevention?


I'm pretty certain we can all agree that he most likely did witness the motor vehicle being operated in a manner likely to endanger him.
 
2012-12-09 03:22:16 PM
What were they (allegedly) stealing?

ionenewsone.files.wordpress.com

I'm guessing cosmetics. 


/Purple drank
 
2012-12-09 03:24:31 PM

Click Click D'oh: Because they have not yet been charged with these crimes does not mean that they won't be, or that the officer should not have acted in response to actions that clearly were resisting arrest and assault on a public servant.


So... shooting someone is an appropriate response.

Click Click D'oh: She didn't get shot for shoplifting. She got shot because her accomplice was attempting to use a motor vehicle in a manner that endangered a police officer.


Because CLEARLY that is something that justifies lethal force.

Click Click D'oh: I'm pretty certain we can all agree that he most likely did witness the motor vehicle being operated in a manner likely to endanger him.


Semantics. Merely operating the vehicle in his vicinity can be said to be "likely to endanger him", because the driver could decide at any time to swerve towards the officer.
 
2012-12-09 03:25:52 PM

Popcorn Johnny: You're implying that the officer deliberately aimed at the passenger.


If his aim is that bad that he hit a different person, he had no business firing his weapon in the first place, ESPECIALLY into a vehicle with two small children.
 
2012-12-09 03:27:40 PM
Quotable quote: "What that look like with him shooting with the darn kids in the car? There were kids in the car with them. Why is he shooting at the car? Come on now, that makes him look bad. That don't even look right'"

Kesha Sapp, deceased suspect's neighbor
 
2012-12-09 03:28:46 PM

Darth_Lukecash: LazerFish: Even though there was no mention of race in the article, I knew she was black. Does that make me racist or just cynical?

Racist. Color shouldn't matter.


And as pointed out... The woman killed was the passenger- not the perpetrator.


If the passanger was killed then shouldn't the driver be the one charged with a homicide? She was actually more at fault for the killing of her friend than the police man was. She was participating in a crime, that caused her accomplices' death,The fact that the police that actully pulled the trigger is of little consequence anymore. Murder by involvemnet in committing a felony.

/not a lawyer
 
2012-12-09 03:30:33 PM

skyshooter: If the passanger was killed then shouldn't the driver be the one charged with a homicide? She was actually more at fault for the killing of her friend than the police man was. She was participating in a crime, that caused her accomplices' death,The fact that the police that actully pulled the trigger is of little consequence anymore. Murder by involvemnet in committing a felony.

/not a lawyer


No, probably because the driver would not reasonably expect an officer to fire into a fleeing vehicle.
 
2012-12-09 03:33:57 PM

ox45tallboy: So... shooting someone is an appropriate response.


In every state in the nation, a law enforcement officer attempting to make an arrest is allowed to respond to lethal force in kind. A motor vehicle being used in a manner that endangers a police office is an application of lethal force against that officer.

I'm not going to say what he did was smart, or even the right response in that situation, but it was a legal response.

ox45tallboy: Because CLEARLY that is something that justifies lethal force.


Yes, actually it is. It's not even a point of debate in legal circles anymore.


ox45tallboy: Semantics.


Unfortunately for you, the law is all about semantics.

Read a few posts up where I clarified with, "If the vehicle moved forwards or backwards with the officer in contact with the vehicle or it's occupants,"

If that condition existed, he was entirely justified using lethal force against any of the perpetrators of the criminal scheme that were in that vehicle.


ox45tallboy: If his aim is that bad that he hit a different person...


How well do you aim a firearm while being dragged by a car?
 
2012-12-09 03:37:58 PM
But the most important question in this matter has yet to be answered:

Is the cop WHITE?

Justice for Freyvon!
 
2012-12-09 03:37:59 PM
People who complain about petty thieves and not the corporations and financiers robbing them blind are penny wise and pound foolish.
 
2012-12-09 03:46:05 PM

Click Click D'oh: In every state in the nation, a law enforcement officer attempting to make an arrest is allowed to respond to lethal force in kind. A motor vehicle being used in a manner that endangers a police office is an application of lethal force against that officer.

I'm not going to say what he did was smart, or even the right response in that situation, but it was a legal response


NO. Absolutely not. An officer is not allowed to use lethal force unless someone's life is in danger. I don't know what has led you to believe that a cop is free to shoot anyone who runs away from him, but this is simply not true.

Click Click D'oh: Yes, actually it is. It's not even a point of debate in legal circles anymore.


Once again, this is simply not true.

Click Click D'oh: Unfortunately for you, the law is all about semantics.

Read a few posts up where I clarified with, "If the vehicle moved forwards or backwards with the officer in contact with the vehicle or it's occupants,"

If that condition existed, he was entirely justified using lethal force against any of the perpetrators of the criminal scheme that were in that vehicle.


That depends on whether he put himself in contact with the car. The reports are somewhat conflicting as to whether he was actually dragged; a police spokesman said:

"I think it knocked him off balance and, in fear of his life and being ran over, he discharged his weapon at that point,"

Which might have led some reporters to say he was "dragged".

Click Click D'oh: How well do you aim a firearm while being dragged by a car?


You don't. And if he was in fact "dragged" by the car, he had no business firing his weapon when he could not aim it.

However, in this case, he fired at the car as it was speeding away, not while he was being dragged, whether or not he actually was dragged.
 
2012-12-09 03:48:20 PM
An officer who is off-duty but wearing his official on-duty uniform in another job is 'impersonating a police officer' according to the law books.
 
2012-12-09 03:48:40 PM

impaler: I know this suggestion will get privacy rights advocates panties in a twist, but this all could have been avoided if we attach some sort of identification tags on vehicles. That would allow the law enforcement to apprehend the perp in a more stable environment.


This
 
2012-12-09 03:49:15 PM

jmr61: Theaetetus: BravadoGT: Reading this from Lubbock Online-It sounds like a good shooting:

HOUSTON

Authorities are investigating the fatal shooting of a suspected shoplifter by a sheriff's deputy during a confrontation outside a Houston-area Wal-Mart store.

Officials say Harris County sheriff's Deputy Louis Campbell confronted several female suspects suspected of stealing from the store Thursday evening.

Sheriff's spokesman Thomas Gilliland says Campbell chased one of the suspects after she hit him. The woman then entered a car. Gilliland says that when Campbell opened the car's door, the vehicle accelerated. The deputy was standing between the car door and driver's seat and, fearing for his life, fired his weapon.

[image.shutterstock.com image 300x470]
What a person standing between a car door and driver's seat may look like.

I don't think he's in danger unless the car is going backwards.



It helps when you actually RTFA.


It also helps it TFA gets the whole story.

Andrews began to drive away while the deputy was standing between the open door and the driver's seat.

"She threw it in reverse and tried to run over the deputy," said Thomas Gilliland, a Harris County sheriff's spokesman.

Link
 
2012-12-09 03:49:40 PM

Popcorn Johnny: ox45tallboy: Yes, but how does shooting the passenger protect the officer's life? He claims that he fired because he was "in fear for his life"; how in the world would shooting a passenger affect the situation?

You're implying that the officer deliberately aimed at the passenger.



Yep. Standard police training is that if you fear for your life, just start shooting without deliberate aim and things will calm right the fark down. You won't be held responsible for hitting things other than your target, because you didn't have a target.

/loophole!
 
2012-12-09 03:53:14 PM

ox45tallboy:

Most cops I know are already pretty damned tired when they get to these off-duty gigs, having already put in an eight-hour shift hunting down miscreants. Most of the time, they don't want to work, and will happily just call in some on-duty guys to handle an arrest.

I don't want to go too far into conjecture, but if a woman smacks a cop with her purse, regardless of if she had a good reason, the cop is probably not going to be happy about it, and might decide to chase after her. He's probably not going to let her drive (or get into a car and ride) away without teaching her that smacking a cop with your purse is unacceptable behavior in civilized society. Some cops, depending on the circumstances, might feel that a brief verbal exposition might be sufficient; others might feel that there should be some kind of physical reinforcement to the lesson. Virtually none, however, will let it slide, as this is seen as an affront not merely to the individual cop, but to the badge.


My problem with the "two hat" issue is that off-duty cops in plain clothes working for someone often seem to confuse company policy with law they're empowered to enforce.

If, as an off-duty cop, you decide to grab me for taking a photo of a product in a Walmart, I'm liable to pop you one. You just assaulted and battered me. You can't do that as a Walmart employee, and you can't enforce a 'no photo' rule as a cop - it's not law. However, the off duty cop will invariably flip hats and try to claim you attacked a cop, then all the blue wall crap happens.

IMHO, if you are being compensated for non-police labor, you should immediately lose your ability to enforce the law, and your qualified immunity, for the duration of your work shift. You become a Walmartian, and nothing more. I'm fine with you working somewhere else. I'm even ok with you being "on duty even when you're not", as long as you MUST identify as a cop before you get to wield your police-hood. But you shouldn't be able to act like a cop in plain clothes without everyone knowing the score, otherwise for all we know you're just an armed freak on a power trip.
 
2012-12-09 03:57:46 PM
If I have this right, the thread can be summed up thusly:

www.digitaljournal.com
deserved to die while,
a.abcnews.com
deserved to live.
 
2012-12-09 04:00:04 PM

ox45tallboy: I don't know what has led you to believe that a cop is free to shoot anyone who runs away from him, but this is simply not true.


Seriously? Where did I say a police officer can shoot someone for fleeing them? I said that a police officer can use lethal force in response to the use of lethal force towards them. And yes, courts have ruled with boring repetition that using a motor vehicle in a manner calculated to, or likely to endanger the life of a police officer is a use of lethal force against that officer. Moving a vehicle in any manner while a police officer is in contact with it or it's occupants is a use of lethal force against that officer.


ox45tallboy: Once again, this is simply not true.


Operating a motor vehicle in a manner to endanger the life of a police officer isn't a use of lethal force?

Uh... Yeah... um... no.

ox45tallboy: That depends on whether he put himself in contact with the car.


No, it does not. In closing with the vehicle and it's occupants, the officer was acting in his official capacity to arrest a suspect who had assaulted him and was fleeing the scene of the crime. The officer may have escalated the situation in a tactical sense, but in a legal sense his actions were appropriate and proper and the suspect is entirely responsible for any outcome of those actions.


ox45tallboy: And if he was in fact "dragged" by the car, he had no business firing his weapon when he could not aim it.


My turn to toss out the "not true". A police officer being dragged by a vehicle is clear to fire his weapon at and into that vehicle as necessary even without having a clear sight picture, target or even idea of who is in that vehicle. He can continue engaging that vehicle until he is freed of it or it comes to a stop.


ox45tallboy: However, in this case, he fired at the car as it was speeding away, not while he was being dragged,

That point seems to be in contention.

Can you provide evidence to support you claim?
 
2012-12-09 04:01:53 PM

Click Click D'oh: Can you provide evidence to support you claim?


Can you provide evidence to support yours?
 
2012-12-09 04:02:17 PM

sheep snorter: An officer who is off-duty but wearing his official on-duty uniform in another job is 'impersonating a police officer' according to the law books.


No. In Texas a LEO is a LEO 24/7. On the clock or off the clock they are still a sworn acting LEO with the full rights and privileges that entails.
 
2012-12-09 04:04:54 PM

doyner:
Can you provide evidence to support yours?


Really? That's how well you read?

My previous comments:
"If the vehicle moved forwards or backwards with the officer in contact with the vehicle or it's occupants,"

If that condition existed, he was entirely justified using lethal force against any of the perpetrators of the criminal scheme that were in that vehicle"


Do you know what "if" means?
 
2012-12-09 04:04:57 PM

Iceman_Cometh: jmr61: Theaetetus: BravadoGT: Reading this from Lubbock Online-It sounds like a good shooting:

HOUSTON

Authorities are investigating the fatal shooting of a suspected shoplifter by a sheriff's deputy during a confrontation outside a Houston-area Wal-Mart store.

Officials say Harris County sheriff's Deputy Louis Campbell confronted several female suspects suspected of stealing from the store Thursday evening.

Sheriff's spokesman Thomas Gilliland says Campbell chased one of the suspects after she hit him. The woman then entered a car. Gilliland says that when Campbell opened the car's door, the vehicle accelerated. The deputy was standing between the car door and driver's seat and, fearing for his life, fired his weapon.

[image.shutterstock.com image 300x470]
What a person standing between a car door and driver's seat may look like.

I don't think he's in danger unless the car is going backwards.



It helps when you actually RTFA.

It also helps it TFA gets the whole story.

Andrews began to drive away while the deputy was standing between the open door and the driver's seat.

"She threw it in reverse and tried to run over the deputy," said Thomas Gilliland, a Harris County sheriff's spokesman.

Link



Walmart gets video of EVERYTHING.

It'll be interesting to see what really happened...
 
2012-12-09 04:06:37 PM

erewhon: My problem with the "two hat" issue is that off-duty cops in plain clothes working for someone often seem to confuse company policy with law they're empowered to enforce.

If, as an off-duty cop, you decide to grab me for taking a photo of a product in a Walmart, I'm liable to pop you one. You just assaulted and battered me. You can't do that as a Walmart employee, and you can't enforce a 'no photo' rule as a cop - it's not law. However, the off duty cop will invariably flip hats and try to claim you attacked a cop, then all the blue wall crap happens.

IMHO, if you are being compensated for non-police labor, you should immediately lose your ability to enforce the law, and your qualified immunity, for the duration of your work shift. You become a Walmartian, and nothing more. I'm fine with you working somewhere else. I'm even ok with you being "on duty even when you're not", as long as you MUST identify as a cop before you get to wield your police-hood. But you shouldn't be able to act like a cop in plain clothes without everyone knowing the score, otherwise for all we know you're just an armed freak on a power trip.


I feel there is a good benefit to society in allowing off-duty cops to work in uniform, and act as law enforcement officers; for events such as concerts and sporting events which are likely to attract those who might become intoxicated and act in a manner unbecoming an upright citizen. In this way, the company hosting the event is liable for the salary of the officer, rather than society as a whole.

However, you have just pointed out a glaring hole in this situation: at what point is the officer just a security guard enforcing company policy, and at what point does he become an officer upholding the law?
 
2012-12-09 04:08:05 PM

Amos Quito: But the most important question in this matter has yet to be answered:

Is the cop WHITE?

Justice for Freyvon!



naturallymoi.com

^ Shootee ^

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^ Shooter ^


Answered my own question!


/Colors match
//Nothing to see here
///Move along
 
2012-12-09 04:08:11 PM

Click Click D'oh: doyner:
Can you provide evidence to support yours?

Really? That's how well you read?

My previous comments:
"If the vehicle moved forwards or backwards with the officer in contact with the vehicle or it's occupants,"

If that condition existed, he was entirely justified using lethal force against any of the perpetrators of the criminal scheme that were in that vehicle"

Do you know what "if" means?


That point seems to be in contention.
 
2012-12-09 04:10:49 PM

doyner:
That point seems to be in contention.


The definition of the word "if" is in contention?
 
2012-12-09 04:12:05 PM

Click Click D'oh: doyner:
That point seems to be in contention.

The definition of the word "if" is in contention?


Study it out.
 
2012-12-09 04:13:25 PM

sheep snorter: An officer who is off-duty but wearing his official on-duty uniform in another job is 'impersonating a police officer' according to the law books.


According to "what" law books?

He had permission to do so from his department, and the store was paying his overtime for doing it. This is quite common around the United States.
 
2012-12-09 04:15:16 PM

Cubicle Jockey: hbk72777: Where does it say the thieves were black?

A picture of the victim thief is already in the thread.


4.bp.blogspot.com


i903.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-09 04:16:27 PM

Amos Quito: But the most important question in this matter has yet to be answered:

Is the cop WHITE?

Justice for Freyvon!


Goddamnit Amos.

www.patentspostgrant.com

Don't turn this into a race-bait thread.
 
2012-12-09 04:18:20 PM

Click Click D'oh: And yes, courts have ruled with boring repetition that using a motor vehicle in a manner calculated to, or likely to endanger the life of a police officer is a use of lethal force against that officer. Moving a vehicle in any manner while a police officer is in contact with it or it's occupants is a use of lethal force against that officer.


That's the rub. It is "dangerous" and "likely to endanger" a police officer simply to move a vehicle the officer is nearby, even though the odds of the police officer being harmed, especially if he just uses common sense and moves out of the way instead of "standing his ground" is negligible.

Click Click D'oh: No, it does not. In closing with the vehicle and it's occupants, the officer was acting in his official capacity to arrest a suspect who had assaulted him and was fleeing the scene of the crime. The officer may have escalated the situation in a tactical sense, but in a legal sense his actions were appropriate and proper and the suspect is entirely responsible for any outcome of those actions.


There's my point right there. Is this proper police procedure? Had he radioed for backup? Was it safe for him to approach the vehicle, considering the fact that he felt endangered enough to have his weapon drawn?

Yes, he escalated the situation. It is his JOB (you know, the reason he gets free coffee and fellated by society as a "hero") to de-escalate the situation, not place himself in a situation where he is even more likely to come to harm, and then justify his use of lethal force by the fact that he was likely to be harmed.

Click Click D'oh: My turn to toss out the "not true". A police officer being dragged by a vehicle is clear to fire his weapon at and into that vehicle as necessary even without having a clear sight picture, target or even idea of who is in that vehicle. He can continue engaging that vehicle until he is freed of it or it comes to a stop.


What? With kids in the car? And the fact that he could avoid being "dragged" if he would just let go of the freakin' car and back away?

Click Click D'oh: ox45tallboy: However, in this case, he fired at the car as it was speeding away, not while he was being dragged,
That point seems to be in contention.

Can you provide evidence to support you claim?


Well, as much as seemingly conflicting news reports about the incident can be considered "evidence":

It was then that the deputy fired his weapon as the vehicle sped away.

It may be some time, if ever, before we get the full story. I'm still trying to find the autopsy reports from the guy killed by Wal-Mart security in Atlanta a couple of weeks ago.
 
2012-12-09 04:22:44 PM

Mr. Carpenter: THE WOMAN THAT WAS SHOT AND KILLED WAS NOT THE SAME WOMAN THAT ASSAULTED THE COP, NOR WAS SHE THE DRIVER OF THE CAR. THE WOMAN THAT WAS SHOT AND KILLED WAS A PASSENGER.


the word you are looking for is accomplice
 
2012-12-09 04:23:36 PM

ox45tallboy:
However, you have just pointed out a glaring hole in this situation: at what point is the officer just a security guard enforcing company policy, and at what point does he become an officer upholding the law?


And when he's in plainclothes, and acts in a manner that would be unlawful for a civilian, I have no way of knowing it's a cop and not someone who's armed and mental.
 
2012-12-09 04:27:28 PM

titwrench: ox45tallboy: titwrench: The article subby provided does not support his submitted headline. There is no mention of children in the car and they weren't speeding away he was being dragged. It was an intentional hyperbole to get people riled up. It worked 300+ comments on a Sunday is pretty good.

All of the other articles I found with more details had already been submitted.

Sometimes, if you would like to know more about a story, you can Google a few keywords and hit the "News" selection. You can't always have your information spoon-fed to you.

There is no need to be a jerk. Your headline did not match the information provided in the article YOU chose therefore the additional information you provided, taken at face value appeared to be intentionally misguiding. You fell short, own it.


image.shutterstock.comimage.shutterstock.com


/Don't give up your day job, Tardmitter.

//Tardmitter at his day job:

farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2012-12-09 04:28:16 PM

erewhon: And when he's in plainclothes, and acts in a manner that would be unlawful for a civilian, I have no way of knowing it's a cop and not someone who's armed and mental.


He was in full Sheriff Department uniform, he was neither in plain clothes or a rent-a-cop uniform.
 
2012-12-09 04:29:20 PM
It does seem a bit odd that having not fired while he WAS actually in danger, that he began firing after the car was no longer threatening his life. Is it true to say he was in danger of being killed as the car speeds away from him?

Maybe you can lawfully back-shoot a fleeing felon there. I dunno. Seems a bit like you're endangering the public at that point, emptying a sidearm at a moving car in the dark.
 
2012-12-09 04:29:40 PM

ox45tallboy: It may be some time, if ever, before we get the full story. I'm still trying to find the autopsy reports from the guy killed by Wal-Mart security in Atlanta a couple of weeks ago.


Is that the one where they chased the guy out into the parking lot, and beat him senseless because he stole the two DVD players?
 
2012-12-09 04:30:22 PM

erewhon: And when he's in plainclothes, and acts in a manner that would be unlawful for a civilian, I have no way of knowing it's a cop and not someone who's armed and mental.


In this case, he WAS in full uniform. But I get pissed at people dressed as civilians that walk up to me and tell me they're a cop without even bothering to pull out a badge, and expect me to comply with their instructions.

I've worked for several businesses that used uniform police officers as security guards. Invariably, they're tired from already working a full shift and simply don't want to actually do any work - they are aware that their presence acts as a deterrent for most criminals, and this easily justifies their salary. (For the record, I don't have a problem with this way of thinking; they really do deter a lot of crime). It seems likely to me from my experiences with policemen in this situation that this particular individual had a bad day and got extremely upset at the suspects' failure to comply with his lawful orders. In most cases, he would have radioed in a description and license plate and left it up to the on-duty guys.
 
2012-12-09 04:32:12 PM

Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: There is no need to be a jerk. Your headline did not match the information provided in the article YOU chose therefore the additional information you provided, taken at face value appeared to be intentionally misguiding. You fell short, own it.


Once again, please show evidence that the headline is factually inaccurate. Otherwise you look like a tool for agreeing with this assessment.
 
2012-12-09 04:33:06 PM

BronyMedic: erewhon: And when he's in plainclothes, and acts in a manner that would be unlawful for a civilian, I have no way of knowing it's a cop and not someone who's armed and mental.

He was in full Sheriff Department uniform, he was neither in plain clothes or a rent-a-cop uniform.


We were talking about two-hat off-duty cops working in stores in plainclothes, sorry, there was a bit of off-topic in those two posts of mine.

I have run into cops working off-duty in civvies in stores, who tend to confuse store policy with enforceable local law, which was my comment.
 
2012-12-09 04:33:07 PM

ox45tallboy: That's the rub. It is "dangerous" and "likely to endanger" a police officer simply to move a vehicle the officer is nearby, even though the odds of the police officer being harmed, especially if he just uses common sense and moves out of the way instead of "standing his ground" is negligible.


Which means, don't move your vehicle when a police officer is attempting to take you into custody, or they just might shoot you.

It's not a hard concept.

The police officer has no obligation or responsibility to avoid a criminal act. A police officer can stop a person involved in criminal activity by stepping into a lane of traffic and ordering them to stop. If the person fails to stop, it is their fault, not the officers for stepping in front of them. From an officer safety stand point, it's stupid, but it's legal. The responsibility for events during a criminal event lay with the criminal as long as the police officers are working within the scope of their authority.

ox45tallboy: Is this proper police procedure?


That depends on the individual departments procedure. He may have violated procedure, he may not have. But if the events occurred as stated, he did not violated the law.

ox45tallboy: It is his JOB (you know, the reason he gets free coffee and fellated by society as a "hero") to de-escalate the situation,


A police officers job is not always to de-escalate a situation. Where a suspect is already combative on first contact (hitting the responding officer with her purse), it is often impossible to do so. An officer should strive to make every contact a safe and easy one, but some situations just go rodeo.

ox45tallboy: What? With kids in the car?


The officer didn't put the kids in the car, the criminal did. The officer needs to act to preserve his life. That means disabling the vehicle or it's occupants as fast as possible. He doesn't have the luxury of waiting for the perfect shot. In fact, he was probably instructed to fire through the door panels in these situations since he can reasonably predict where the vehicles operator will be without having to see them. Since bullets go clean through car panels with little effort and can inflict fatal wounds on the occupants after passing through the door panel, it's the fastest, easiest and safest way for the officer to engage the occupants while being dragged.

ox45tallboy: And the fact that he could avoid being "dragged" if he would just let go of the freakin' car and back away?


Based on your extensive force on force training? If you let go of a moving vehicle you have no control over where you or the vehicle goes. If you stay attached to a moving vehicle you at least know where you aren't (under it). Your best bet is to disable the vehicle as quickly as possible.
 
2012-12-09 04:34:53 PM

BronyMedic: Is that the one where they chased the guy out into the parking lot, and beat him senseless because he stole the two DVD players?


Yes. It seems from the various news reports that he likely died of asphyxiation from either the headlock or being sat on for a while by more than one person, but as I said, I can't yet find any autopsy reports (even though we were supposed to have preliminaries by the following Monday.)

Also, the reports were somewhat inaccurate in that they weren't cheapo DVD players, they were more expensive Blu-Ray players, but this still in no way justifies the actions of Wal-Mart security.
 
2012-12-09 04:35:44 PM

erewhon: Maybe you can lawfully back-shoot a fleeing felon there. I dunno. Seems a bit like you're endangering the public at that point, emptying a sidearm at a moving car in the dark.


Not to mention the two young children in the car.
 
2012-12-09 04:41:57 PM

Click Click D'oh: Which means, don't move your vehicle when a police officer is attempting to take you into custody, or they just might shoot you.


Is this policy? If so, should this policy be reviewed and perhaps modified?

Click Click D'oh: A police officers job is not always to de-escalate a situation. Where a suspect is already combative on first contact (hitting the responding officer with her purse), it is often impossible to do so. An officer should strive to make every contact a safe and easy one, but some situations just go rodeo.


And as a law enforcement officer, it is his JOB to handle the situation in such a way that people don't die. The possible benefit to society of allowing this incident to act as a deterrent to others considering shoplifting (or not obeying the lawful orders of a LEO) are NOT outweighed by the risk to society of allowing LEO's the right to execute people any time they can justify it as "feeling threatened".

Click Click D'oh: The officer didn't put the kids in the car, the criminal did. The officer needs to act to preserve his life. That means disabling the vehicle or it's occupants as fast as possible. He doesn't have the luxury of waiting for the perfect shot. In fact, he was probably instructed to fire through the door panels in these situations since he can reasonably predict where the vehicles operator will be without having to see them. Since bullets go clean through car panels with little effort and can inflict fatal wounds on the occupants after passing through the door panel, it's the fastest, easiest and safest way for the officer to engage the occupants while being dragged.


The bolded statement is absolutely true. However, I fail to see how shooting at a car moving away from you in any way protects your life.

Also, the woman was shot in the neck; it is not likely that he shot through the door panels.

finally, it is his JOB to weigh the possible risk to society of allowing these criminal masterminds to escape versus the risk to the children in the car before choosing to discharge his weapon.

Click Click D'oh: Based on your extensive force on force training? If you let go of a moving vehicle you have no control over where you or the vehicle goes. If you stay attached to a moving vehicle you at least know where you aren't (under it). Your best bet is to disable the vehicle as quickly as possible.


Oh, I forgot. This is one of those cool cars that can move sideways.
 
2012-12-09 04:42:16 PM
Well, maybe it'll cut down on petty theft there, and those miscreants who don't want to show their receipts at the door will think twice.

"Give me that receipt, citizen, that I might make a stripe on it with my magic marker!"

"screw off, it's my stuff"

"AHA! (bang! bang!)Stop thief! (bangbangbang) Hands UP! (bangbangbang) Present that receipt or DIE!"
 
2012-12-09 04:44:27 PM

BronyMedic: Amos Quito: But the most important question in this matter has yet to be answered:

Is the cop WHITE?

Justice for Freyvon!

Goddamnit Amos.

[www.patentspostgrant.com image 480x360]

Don't turn this into a race-bait thread.



No worries, not going to happen.

As I said above, colors match, no social outrage.

People that will NOT be making media appearances or commenting WRT this incident:

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ll-media.tmz.com

www.ijreview.com 

i.ytimg.com


"No daughter of mine would be caught DEAD at a WalMart".
 
2012-12-09 04:50:15 PM

ox45tallboy: Oh, I forgot. This is one of those cool cars that can move sideways.


Well, I suppose she might have rolled the window up on him or grabbed his arm and hit the gas.

I imagine if you were really trying to get away from a cop that was reaching through the window, grabbing him and punching it would be a great way to dissuade him for several minutes, if you broke his arm on the b pillar and dragged a few mm of feet off on the pavement, then rolled him a half dozen times on the dismount.

Hell, I can even see the guy being so pissed off at the people that he'd want to shoot them. If you slugged me, dragged me with your car and got away, I'd be po'd and full of adrenaline. I just don't know if it was good judgement to empty a magazine their way. The DA will think so, though.

As far as the kids go, it was pity that stayed his hand.

/It's a pity I've run out of bullets, he thought
 
2012-12-09 04:53:41 PM

ox45tallboy: Is this policy?


Is it policy that police officers get to use lethal force in response to lethal force directed at them? Yes, everywhere. Should it be modified? No

Should people not attempt to use their vehicles against law enforcement officers? Yes.


ox45tallboy: And as a law enforcement officer, it is his JOB to handle the situation in such a way that people don't die.


When you find a way to remotely shut down criminal actors so that they instantly comply with the orders of a law enforcement officer, your lofty goal will be accomplished.


ox45tallboy: I fail to see how shooting at a car moving away from you in any way protects your life.


When you can probe that the car was moving away from the officer who was no longer in contact with the vehicle or it's occupants when the shots were fired... you'd have a point. As of yet, the narrative is that the officer was in contact.

ox45tallboy: Also, the woman was shot in the neck; it is not likely that he shot through the door panels.


Two things:
1) I was not saying that the shot went through the door panel. I was demonstrating that for certain situations officers are trained to fire their weapon without a sight picture, thus explaining how he "missed" the driver.

2) If the officer was on the ground of being dragged at a low angle, the shots would have come from lower than the door frame headed upwards. Meaning, it would be possible to shoot someone through the neck through a door panel.

ox45tallboy: finally, it is his JOB to weigh the possible risk to society of allowing these criminal masterminds to escape versus the risk to the children in the car before choosing to discharge his weapon.


1) What harm did the children suffer?
2) Was he aware there were children in the car?

ox45tallboy: This is one of those cool cars that can move sideways.


When you move your car into and out of a parking space, does it move straight forward and backwards?

Turn your wheel full to the right. Step out of your car and draw a chalk line extending directly rearwards from the center line of the front drivers side tire. Does it go directly under the car?
 
2012-12-09 05:04:39 PM

Click Click D'oh: Should people not attempt to use their vehicles against law enforcement officers? Yes.


This is very true. However, it has absolutely no bearing on the current situation, as the LEO discharged his weapon at someone who was fleeing in their car, not attempting to run over the cop.

Click Click D'oh: 2) If the officer was on the ground of being dragged at a low angle, the shots would have come from lower than the door frame headed upwards. Meaning, it would be possible to shoot someone through the neck through a door panel.


According to the police spokesman, he was simply thrown "off-balance". No mention at all of being on the ground.

Click Click D'oh: 1) What harm did the children suffer?


I myself have seen firsthand what happens to children when they watch someone they know get shot right in front of them Don't try to tell me they didn't suffer harm.

Click Click D'oh: 2) Was he aware there were children in the car?


He had opened the car door himself. While it is possible that he did not see them, the fact that the light comes on in the car when the door is opened, as well as the fact that LEO's are trained to assess the occupants of a car, makes it unlikely he was not aware of their presence inside.

Click Click D'oh: When you move your car into and out of a parking space, does it move straight forward and backwards?

Turn your wheel full to the right. Step out of your car and draw a chalk line extending directly rearwards from the center line of the front drivers side tire. Does it go directly under the car?


Once again, the kicker is at what point he fired his weapon. If he fired as the car was already moving away, then the car was no longer a threat and he cannot justify the shooting. If the car was still backing or turning towards him, maybe, but that doesn't explain why shooting a passenger might save his life.
 
2012-12-09 05:10:55 PM

ox45tallboy: If his aim is that bad that he hit a different person, he had no business firing his weapon in the first place, ESPECIALLY into a vehicle with two small children.


He fired into a moving vehicle that presented a threat to his safety, while police officers might always hit their target in the movies, real life is much different.
 
2012-12-09 05:17:16 PM

Popcorn Johnny: ox45tallboy: If his aim is that bad that he hit a different person, he had no business firing his weapon in the first place, ESPECIALLY into a vehicle with two small children.

He fired into a moving vehicle that presented a threat to his safety, while police officers might always hit their target in the movies, real life is much different.



That's exactly the point. If he put himself in a situation and then fired wildly when things went bad, then that's irresponsible and preventable. Regardless of whether these women were at fault or "deserved it", this sounds like it won't be a future training video on best practices for handling shoplifters.
 
2012-12-09 05:17:25 PM

ox45tallboy: This is very true. However, it has absolutely no bearing on the current situation, as the LEO discharged his weapon at someone who was fleeing in their car, not attempting to run over the cop.


Once again, do you have anything to prove that.... What with it being contrary to the current narrative regarding the situation. If you have something that shows the officer and vehicle were not in contact, or that the officer shouldn't have had a reasonable fear, please present it. If the officer did engage the vehicle after the fact and it was leaving the scene, that would completely change the situation. But if he was in contact with the vehicle, or knocked to the ground near a moving vehicle, he was completely within his authority to engage it.

ox45tallboy: According to the police spokesman, he was simply thrown "off-balance". No mention at all of being on the ground.


Seriously, is the word "if" really that hard for Farkers these days? That scenario was to demonstrate how a person gets shot in the neck without the officer being in a standing position. It was not a statement as to the position of the officer in this incident, since that information is so far unknown.

ox45tallboy: I myself have seen firsthand what happens to children when they watch someone they know get shot right in front of them Don't try to tell me they didn't suffer harm.


Seriously? Now you are going to hold the officer responsible for the emotional harm suffered by bystanders who witness the results of criminal activity?

Wow... just... wow.

That's about the stupidest thing I've ever heard.


ox45tallboy: He had opened the car door himself. While it is possible that he did not see them, the fact that the light comes on in the car when the door is opened, as well as the fact that LEO's are trained to assess the occupants of a car, makes it unlikely he was not aware of their presence inside.


So no, there's nothing at all to say that the officer was aware of the children in the car other than an assumption of omniscience. You're just flailing now.

ox45tallboy: Once again, the kicker is at what point he fired his weapon. If he fired as the car was already moving away, then the car was no longer a threat and he cannot justify the shooting. If the car was still backing or turning towards him, maybe


Don't look now, but you just admitted that if events did occur as they are told in the most common narrative of the situation, the officer was entirely justified in shooting.

ox45tallboy: ...but that doesn't explain why shooting a passenger might save his life.


.... Really? Did you really read anything up thread?

If the vehicle was being operated in a manner that endangered his life, he was clear to engage the vehicle and any of it's occupants participating in the criminal scheme. That means the passenger. Even if he was attempting to engage the driver, his use of force against the passenger was acceptable given the tactical situation.
 
2012-12-09 05:18:18 PM

Wulfman: That's exactly the point. If he put himself in a situation and then fired wildly when things went bad, then that's irresponsible and preventable. Regardless of whether these women were at fault or "deserved it", this sounds like it won't be a future training video on best practices for handling shoplifters.


So the officer doesn't have a right to defend himself?
 
2012-12-09 05:19:54 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Wulfman: That's exactly the point. If he put himself in a situation and then fired wildly when things went bad, then that's irresponsible and preventable. Regardless of whether these women were at fault or "deserved it", this sounds like it won't be a future training video on best practices for handling shoplifters.

So the officer doesn't have a right to defend himself?


That's not at all what I said. Try again.
 
2012-12-09 05:20:10 PM

Amos Quito: Iceman_Cometh: jmr61: Theaetetus: BravadoGT: Reading this from Lubbock Online-It sounds like a good shooting:

HOUSTON

Authorities are investigating the fatal shooting of a suspected shoplifter by a sheriff's deputy during a confrontation outside a Houston-area Wal-Mart store.

Officials say Harris County sheriff's Deputy Louis Campbell confronted several female suspects suspected of stealing from the store Thursday evening.

Sheriff's spokesman Thomas Gilliland says Campbell chased one of the suspects after she hit him. The woman then entered a car. Gilliland says that when Campbell opened the car's door, the vehicle accelerated. The deputy was standing between the car door and driver's seat and, fearing for his life, fired his weapon.

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What a person standing between a car door and driver's seat may look like.

I don't think he's in danger unless the car is going backwards.



It helps when you actually RTFA.

It also helps it TFA gets the whole story.

Andrews began to drive away while the deputy was standing between the open door and the driver's seat.

"She threw it in reverse and tried to run over the deputy," said Thomas Gilliland, a Harris County sheriff's spokesman.

Link


Walmart gets video of EVERYTHING.

It'll be interesting to see what really happened...


Agreed. If she did throw it in reverse and the door was open it explains a lot more. But of course this is Fark, so we have a troll headline, a crappy article, and people arguing over every detail.
 
2012-12-09 05:20:57 PM

Wulfman: Regardless of whether these women were at fault or "deserved it", this sounds like it won't be a future training video on best practices for handling shoplifters.


That much is certain.

Even if his actions were completely within the scope of his duties and the authority of the law, it's certain that the agency he works for (and several others) are furiously reviewing their training programs right now.

Of course, right now someone is probably asking him why he didn't just tase the lady that hit him with the purse and detain her before she got to her car.

... But then again, we'd be discussing the unnecessary tasing then...
 
2012-12-09 05:21:15 PM

Popcorn Johnny: ox45tallboy: If his aim is that bad that he hit a different person, he had no business firing his weapon in the first place, ESPECIALLY into a vehicle with two small children.

He fired into a moving vehicle that presented a threat to his safety, while police officers might always hit their target in the movies, real life is much different.


yeah, in Cleveland it takes a dozen cops emptying a full mag each into the car, and at least one of them reloading and continuing to fire.
 
2012-12-09 05:33:55 PM

Click Click D'oh: Wulfman: Regardless of whether these women were at fault or "deserved it", this sounds like it won't be a future training video on best practices for handling shoplifters.

That much is certain.

Even if his actions were completely within the scope of his duties and the authority of the law, it's certain that the agency he works for (and several others) are furiously reviewing their training programs right now.

Of course, right now someone is probably asking him why he didn't just tase the lady that hit him with the purse and detain her before she got to her car.

... But then again, we'd be discussing the unnecessary tasing then...


Likely didn't have time to draw a taser as it sounds like they hit him with a purse and then ran. Just imagine if he hadn't killed the woman ... everyone would be laughing at the mother of the year candidate who took her kids with her to go shoplifting. Now everyone is in a fuss because someone committed a crime and paid for it.
 
2012-12-09 05:35:01 PM

Popcorn Johnny: He fired into a moving vehicle that presented a threat to his safety, while police officers might always hit their target in the movies, real life is much different.


Yes, had he not chosen to move out of the way, then the vehicle might have possibly, theoretically, had a slight chance of hitting him.

Therefore, let's allow cops to walk out in the middle of the street and shoot anyone coming at them. I know this sounds hyperbolic, but it is readily apparent that the officer chose to put himself in a situation that could have put him in harm's way, rather than back off and radio in a license plate number and let other on-duty cops handle the situation.

Once again, at least one news report (that I linked to above) says that he fired the shot "as the vehicle sped away". He is no longer in harm's way, and therefore is firing out of vengeance for having previously put him in harm's way. The driver was attempting to escape, not to run over the cop, and only presented a danger to him because he allowed it to.
 
2012-12-09 05:37:10 PM
In Texas, it is 100% legal to kill a theif in the night. The incident happened after 10pm so it is not necessary that the shooter fear for his life, only that he was attempting to recover stolen property.
 
2012-12-09 05:37:13 PM