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(The Epoch Times)   San Quentin prison inmates are now building hardware for NASA. Products include satellite casings, instrument coverings, shivs for protection from food-crazed Russian cosmonauts   (theepochtimes.com ) divider line
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2012-12-09 10:25:44 AM  
Something something no qualified applicants, something something free market.
 
2012-12-09 10:35:10 AM  
All launches will be accompanied by the sounds of Johnny Cash.
 
2012-12-09 10:55:08 AM  
hmm. the choice is prison vs. grad. school, then. that's where the UC funding went, now how do I go about figure out what your aptitude's good at, and get you a jail job while you're being a particular individual in jail?
 
2012-12-09 10:57:30 AM  
Capitalisms modern day take on slavery. Gotta love it.
 
2012-12-09 11:02:17 AM  
shivs for protection from food vodak- crazed Russian cosmonauts

FTFS
 
2012-12-09 11:07:21 AM  
You wanna go down, like some junky cosmonaut?
 
2012-12-09 11:13:22 AM  
I hear no complaints about unskilled, uneducated labour problems holding NASA back from hiring.
 
2012-12-09 11:26:35 AM  

FarkedOver: You wanna go down, like some junky cosmonaut?


That's going to be stuck in my head for an ungodly amount of time.

THANKS A BOATLOAD
 
2012-12-09 11:53:08 AM  

missiv: I hear no complaints about unskilled, uneducated labour problems holding NASA back from hiring.


i mademe this o'ring seal realgood- l'ke.
 
2012-12-09 12:18:50 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: FarkedOver: You wanna go down, like some junky cosmonaut?

That's going to be stuck in my head for an ungodly amount of time.

THANKS A BOATLOAD


Well it's better than being some disgraced cosmonaut.
 
2012-12-09 12:30:13 PM  

FarkedOver: Well it's better than being some disgraced cosmonaut.


*nods as if to agree with that*

Good point.
 
2012-12-09 12:30:53 PM  
FarkedOver:

Capitalisms modern day take on slavery. Gotta love it.

A month or so ago I learned, probably from Fark, that the Chinese government promised to stop the practice of shanghaiing as many people as there are slave labor vacancies, railroading them through a kangaroo trial on trumped-up charges, then sentencing them to prison labor.

Here we still have the war on drugs, with crystal meth, pain pill and Mexican heroin "epidemics." We also have a gang problem, which of course ties in with our drug epidemic and other epidemics of illegal immigration, welfare cheating, etc.; of course it's totally coincidental that pop culture has been pushing featuring the "thug life" lifestyle, complete with easily identifiable volunteering-for-prison costumes, hand signals and tattoos.

And now this.

Just think, soon defense contractors will be able to stop outsourcing important components to unfree foreign coolies, thereby helping the Chinese government improve its human rights record. It's a win-win all around. Right?
 
2012-12-09 12:40:17 PM  
Mixed feelings about this. While it's great that the prisoners have something to do, it takes jobs from the folks that need them and never been to prison. I understand there is a huge prison industry going on, and the jobs in prison keeps the inmates under control, but at what cost?
 
2012-12-09 01:02:45 PM  

The One True TheDavid: of course it's totally coincidental that pop culture has been pushing featuring the "thug life" lifestyle, complete with easily identifiable volunteering-for-prison costumes, hand signals and tattoos.


Oh hey there, Rip Van Winkle. I know you've been asleep since 1995, but things have changed a little bit since then.
 
2012-12-09 01:28:48 PM  

yelmrog: The One True TheDavid:

of course it's totally coincidental that pop culture has been pushing featuring the "thug life" lifestyle, complete with easily identifiable volunteering-for-prison costumes, hand signals and tattoos.

Oh hey there, Rip Van Winkle. I know you've been asleep since 1995, but things have changed a little bit since then.


It's still all over the Internet. And keep in mind I'm in Lexington, KY, which is always a bit behind the times.

So: you're telling me that Thug Life is totally over in, say, LA and Oakland, two cities that provide a lot of San Quentin's inmate population? No more gang problem, illegal immigration problem, hard drug problem, gun proliferation or wanton violence problem? WOW. What did they do with all the ex-police?

By the way, it appears that here in central KY at least half of our Thug Life types are white people whose ancestors came over from Britain and Germany before the American Revolution. Of course most of my people, like most "minority" folks, are hard-working and law-abiding, but still. Anyway, it's kinda cute when a chubby redneck youth sags his pants and cuts off his T-shirt to display his battle flag tattoo, but when did white people start drinking Steel Reserve 211?
 
2012-12-09 01:42:02 PM  
FarkedOver:

You wanna go down, like some junky cosmonaut?

Discalced Carmelites ain't gonna do it.
 
2012-12-09 01:52:40 PM  
Fascism rocks!
 
2012-12-09 02:17:29 PM  

The One True TheDavid: FarkedOver:

You wanna go down, like some junky cosmonaut?

Discalced Carmelites ain't gonna do it.



What a discalced Carmelite might look like:

www.celebrityrush.com 

And just to be cute, a junky cosmonaut:

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-09 02:53:07 PM  
But I thought Russian components and American components were all made in Taiwan?
 
2012-12-09 03:37:19 PM  

cig-mkr: Mixed feelings about this. While it's great that the prisoners have something to do, it takes jobs from the folks that need them and never been to prison. I understand there is a huge prison industry going on, and the jobs in prison keeps the inmates under control, but at what cost?


There's also the issue of say you put Icepick in prison for 10 years. When Icepick emerges he has two issues, first his felony history prevents him from getting many of the jobs out there. Secondly Icepick's only skill is killing rival gang members. Guess what the odds say Icepick ends doing to make money? Thus you end up with Icepick back in jail.

Personally I'd say the fair thing is to keep job placement from being for profit. Get the prisoners trained with skills and in contact with employers. So ideally you have employers being willing to overlook the record when it comes to hiring because they know the guy personally.

While the prisoner is in prison pay him only a fraction of whatever the hourly for that field is. Take the rest and put it in an interest bearing CD or what not (or buy government bonds with it for that matter). The prisoner can use the money he gets for buying stuff from the prison shop. The rest is given to him after completion of the term and parole. If you on a murder spree the day you parole out, you forfeit the money. It keeps people from paying slave labor rates but also gives the criminal an incentive to keep their nose clean.
 
2012-12-09 04:42:37 PM  
So, how likely is it they could find that same sort of work once they got out?

/they really should be getting paid more
 
2012-12-09 06:54:25 PM  
Would a slave by any other name,
get just as beat.

/Stop calling them 'prisoners.'
 
2012-12-09 09:13:26 PM  
Works for China.
 
2012-12-09 09:25:02 PM  
I'll just go on record as saying that I'm not at all cool with NASA using prison labor.
I'm fine with teaching prisoners chemistry, calculus, and metalworking. However, I don't like them farming out legitimate project labor at prison work rates. Might as well outsource it to China if you're going to do that.

/Chinese people know calculus at age 4, science says so.
 
2012-12-10 01:05:24 AM  

The One True TheDavid: white people whose ancestors came over from Britain and Germany before the American Revolution.


LOL.

Royal Proclamation much?
 
2012-12-10 01:55:05 AM  
There's nothing classified about the design and manufacture of NASA's satellites? I'm actually kinda surprised by that.
 
2012-12-10 06:54:12 AM  
Heh, what a jovial headline. It made me think of xmas and cheese.
 
2012-12-10 09:57:15 AM  

FarkedOver: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: FarkedOver: You wanna go down, like some junky cosmonaut?

That's going to be stuck in my head for an ungodly amount of time.

THANKS A BOATLOAD

Well it's better than being some disgraced cosmonaut.


Which is better than being some disintegrated cosmonaut.

blogs.discovery.com
 
2012-12-10 05:06:59 PM  
I don't have mixed feelings about prison labor. They are not being forced to do it and it's not taking jobs away from Americans, because these guys are Americans.

Generally "trusties" (the guys with jobs) are given jobs as a reward and incentive for good behavior. I'd rather prisoners all have jobs and contribute to their own upkeep and the upkeep of the prison they live in than have them be bored and dangerous and a drain on society.

Bonus is, I hope, that these machinists will go out into the world when they've done their time and present resumes saying, "I built components for NASA". I think that would open doors in a way that, "I spent 5 years staring at a TV set."
 
2012-12-10 05:07:44 PM  
(argh fat fingered)

..spent 5 years staring at a TV set" would not.
 
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