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(Guardian)   Senior conservatives campaign for gay marriage in churches. Surely this is something we'd never imagined seeing in the United St--oh nevermind   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 62
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2012-12-09 10:06:25 AM  
They're only doing this because they need interior decorators
 
2012-12-09 10:07:53 AM  
fta Under the proposals, due to be fleshed out this week, churches and other venues will be allowed to "opt in" to holding civil marriage ceremonies.

He's pro-choice, too?!
 
2012-12-09 10:10:40 AM  
Subby, the little "g" tag kinda torpedoed your attempt at shock before the first sentence was done.
 
2012-12-09 10:15:22 AM  
If you can't beat them, then make a profit from them.
 
2012-12-09 10:25:21 AM  
FTA: "Ministers will offer a guarantee that no institution will be forced to marry gay people on their premises - but Tory MPs and religious groups have questioned whether it would stand up to challenges under the Human Rights Act."

If allowing people to marry the person they love, without forcing anyone to perform the ceremony if they object to it, violates your Human Rights Act, there may be a flaw in the Act.
 
2012-12-09 10:30:35 AM  
English Prime Minister, David Cameron:

"I'm a massive supporter of marriage and I don't want gay people to be excluded from a great institution."

"to anyone who has reservations, I say: Yes, it's about equality, but it's also about something else: commitment. Conservatives believe in the ties that bind us; that society is stronger when we make vows to each other and support each other. So I don't support gay marriage despite being a Conservative. I support gay marriage because I'm a Conservative."


The leaders of the other two major political parties in England also support it, so it seems pretty inevitable that Great Britain is soon to become Gay Britain.

/NTTAWWT
 
2012-12-09 10:34:03 AM  

Wyalt Derp: The leaders of the other two major political parties in England also support it, so it seems pretty inevitable that Great Britain is soon to become Gay Britain.


Fabulous Britan.
 
2012-12-09 10:46:50 AM  

RedPhoenix122: Wyalt Derp: The leaders of the other two major political parties in England also support it, so it seems pretty inevitable that Great Britain is soon to become Gay Britain.

Fabulous Britan.


God save the Queen.
 
2012-12-09 10:47:32 AM  

poorjon: RedPhoenix122: Wyalt Derp: The leaders of the other two major political parties in England also support it, so it seems pretty inevitable that Great Britain is soon to become Gay Britain.

Fabulous Britan.

God save the Queens.

 
2012-12-09 10:48:30 AM  

apoptotic: TA: "Ministers will offer a guarantee that no institution will be forced to marry gay people on their premises - but Tory MPs and religious groups have questioned whether it would stand up to challenges under the Human Rights Act."

If allowing people to marry the person they love, without forcing anyone to perform the ceremony if they object to it, violates your Human Rights Act, there may be a flaw in the Act.


IANAL, but it's possible that the guarantee against 'having' to perform a marriage which a member of the clergy objected to, would in itself be seen as encouraging a discriminatory practice. If two people want to get married in (church x) and the clergy there don't want to perform those marriages, the lovebirds concerned might well successfully sue for discrimination, and argue that the law *allowing* the clergy not to marry them is discriminatory on its face, and breaches the equality clauses in the human rights act...
 
2012-12-09 11:00:56 AM  
Who will have better free food? A gay weddng or a same-old-same-old?
 
2012-12-09 11:04:26 AM  

BitwiseShift: Who will have better free food? A gay weddng or a same-old-same-old?


Fishy or phallic? Red snapper of bratwursts? I don't know, it could turn some unadventurous wedding goers away.
 
2012-12-09 11:10:22 AM  

coeyagi: BitwiseShift: Who will have better free food? A gay weddng or a same-old-same-old?

Fishy or phallic? Red snapper of bratwursts? I don't know, it could turn some unadventurous wedding goers away.


We chose sushi for the irony.
 
2012-12-09 11:12:58 AM  

poorjon: RedPhoenix122: Wyalt Derp: The leaders of the other two major political parties in England also support it, so it seems pretty inevitable that Great Britain is soon to become Gay Britain.

Fabulous Britan.

God save the Queen.


4.bp.blogspot.com

Approves posthumously.
 
2012-12-09 11:16:07 AM  

Wyalt Derp: English Prime Minister, David Cameron:

"I'm a massive supporter of marriage and I don't want gay people to be excluded from a great institution."

"to anyone who has reservations, I say: Yes, it's about equality, but it's also about something else: commitment. Conservatives believe in the ties that bind us; that society is stronger when we make vows to each other and support each other. So I don't support gay marriage despite being a Conservative. I support gay marriage because I'm a Conservative."


The leaders of the other two major political parties in England also support it, so it seems pretty inevitable that Great Britain is soon to become Gay Britain.

/NTTAWWT


It's interesting that a leader of the present-day Conservative Party in the UK would undoubtedly be regarded by American conservatives as an anti-Christian socialist. I guess that's the difference between "real conservative" and "neanderthal."

And I hope Maggie Thatcher is spinning madly in her tomb.
Oh. She's not dead yet?
Damn.
 
2012-12-09 11:25:39 AM  

Wyalt Derp: The leaders of the other two major political parties in England also support it, so it seems pretty inevitable that Great Britain is soon to become Gay Britain.


Gay or English? How can one tell?
 
2012-12-09 11:26:58 AM  
Seriously, since the Church of England, a government agency, has decided it doesn't care for women bishops or gay bishops or whatever American Episcopalians are up to -- this looks like pressure from the DIssenters. that rowdy band of Catholics, Quakers, non-CofE protestants, baptists, Hindus, Jews, HinJews, Muslims, etc.

Specifically, if Prince Richard wanted to marry Prince Larry, who would be Queen? Could they improve the bloodline by adopting instead of trying to bear children themselves?
 
2012-12-09 11:28:05 AM  
Very interesting, considering that, for all intents and purposes, the Republican party is basically America's version of the UK's Tory Party.
 
2012-12-09 11:28:53 AM  
That is to say, the party of the ultra-rich, landed aristocrats.
 
2012-12-09 11:40:51 AM  
Every "conservative" outside the US is a dirty stinking liberal by American Conservative standards. Even the Third Reich (Godwin be damned!) had some policies that today's average Teabagger would think was too compassionate (ie, spending money on anything that isn't for weapons of war or for politician's salaries).

/Remember, if you're NOT out kicking puppies, you're helping the liberals win.
 
2012-12-09 11:41:30 AM  

Goodfella: Very interesting, considering that, for all intents and purposes, the Republican party is basically America's version of the UK's Tory Party.


lol, until I read that typed out, I have always thought people were saying "intensive purposes"..learn something new everyday.
 
2012-12-09 12:10:48 PM  

Hyjamon: Goodfella: Very interesting, considering that, for all intents and purposes, the Republican party is basically America's version of the UK's Tory Party.

lol, until I read that typed out, I have always thought people were saying "intensive purposes"..learn something new everyday.


Seriously? What are you, twelve?
 
2012-12-09 12:18:12 PM  

poorjon: RedPhoenix122: Wyalt Derp: The leaders of the other two major political parties in England also support it, so it seems pretty inevitable that Great Britain is soon to become Gay Britain.

Fabulous Britan.

God save the Queen.


Sir Elton prefers you not call him that.

Cheers
 
2012-12-09 12:19:08 PM  

apoptotic: FTA: "Ministers will offer a guarantee that no institution will be forced to marry gay people on their premises - but Tory MPs and religious groups have questioned whether it would stand up to challenges under the Human Rights Act."

If allowing people to marry the person they love, without forcing anyone to perform the ceremony if they object to it, violates your Human Rights Act, there may be a flaw in the Act.


The Church of England, as its name implies, is a government institution, supported by taxes. Any CoE clergyman who refuses to marry a couple based on his/her personal beliefs should be removed from office like just that justice of the peace in the USA who was fired for refusing to marry interracial couples.

Non-state-established churches, on the other hand, can be as bigotted as they like.
 
2012-12-09 12:20:28 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Every "conservative" outside the US is a dirty stinking liberal by American Conservative standards. Even the Third Reich (Godwin be damned!) had some policies that today's average Teabagger would think was too compassionate (ie, spending money on anything that isn't for weapons of war or for politician's salaries).

/Remember, if you're NOT out kicking puppies, you're helping the liberals win.


Fun fact: The term "passive smoking" ("Passivrauchen") was coined in Nazi Germany.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-tobacco_movement_in_Nazi_Germany
The Nazi anti-tobacco campaign included banning smoking in trams, buses and city trains,[6] promoting health education,[12] limiting cigarette rations in the Wehrmacht, organizing medical lectures for soldiers, and raising the tobacco tax.[6] The National Socialists also imposed restrictions on tobacco advertising and smoking in public spaces, and regulated restaurants and coffeehouses.
 
2012-12-09 12:23:02 PM  

threadjackistan: Hyjamon: Goodfella: Very interesting, considering that, for all intents and purposes, the Republican party is basically America's version of the UK's Tory Party.

lol, until I read that typed out, I have always thought people were saying "intensive purposes"..learn something new everyday.

Seriously? What are you, twelve?


I had a room mate in College who thought the same thing. He was a physics Graduate student in a dual Davis/Cal program and worked at Lawrence Livermore too. He didn't learn the right way until I heard him say intensive purposes and I teased him relentlessly.
 
2012-12-09 12:24:26 PM  
So maybe a few of you FARKers will admit that some of your generalizations might be wrong? I know, not farking likely.
 
2012-12-09 12:27:27 PM  

Infinity370: TV's Vinnie: Every "conservative" outside the US is a dirty stinking liberal by American Conservative standards. Even the Third Reich (Godwin be damned!) had some policies that today's average Teabagger would think was too compassionate (ie, spending money on anything that isn't for weapons of war or for politician's salaries).

/Remember, if you're NOT out kicking puppies, you're helping the liberals win.

Fun fact: The term "passive smoking" ("Passivrauchen") was coined in Nazi Germany.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-tobacco_movement_in_Nazi_Germany
The Nazi anti-tobacco campaign included banning smoking in trams, buses and city trains,[6] promoting health education,[12] limiting cigarette rations in the Wehrmacht, organizing medical lectures for soldiers, and raising the tobacco tax.[6] The National Socialists also imposed restrictions on tobacco advertising and smoking in public spaces, and regulated restaurants and coffeehouses.


Something something NAZI. QED.
 
2012-12-09 12:27:59 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: So maybe a few of you FARKers will admit that some of your generalizations might be wrong? I know, not farking likely.


Conservatives in the UK aren't religious fundamentalist nutjobs like here in the US.

Ric Romero already had the scoop on this long ago.
 
2012-12-09 12:39:07 PM  

Hyjamon: Goodfella: Very interesting, considering that, for all intents and purposes, the Republican party is basically America's version of the UK's Tory Party.

lol, until I read that typed out, I have always thought people were saying "intensive purposes"..learn something new everyday.


lol, you've never seen one of those lists of common grammar mistakes? It's always on there. Spoiler: it's "toe the line", not "tow the line" ;)
 
2012-12-09 12:43:18 PM  

Infinity370: TV's Vinnie: Every "conservative" outside the US is a dirty stinking liberal by American Conservative standards. Even the Third Reich (Godwin be damned!) had some policies that today's average Teabagger would think was too compassionate (ie, spending money on anything that isn't for weapons of war or for politician's salaries).

/Remember, if you're NOT out kicking puppies, you're helping the liberals win.

Fun fact: The term "passive smoking" ("Passivrauchen") was coined in Nazi Germany.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-tobacco_movement_in_Nazi_Germany
The Nazi anti-tobacco campaign included banning smoking in trams, buses and city trains,[6] promoting health education,[12] limiting cigarette rations in the Wehrmacht, organizing medical lectures for soldiers, and raising the tobacco tax.[6] The National Socialists also imposed restrictions on tobacco advertising and smoking in public spaces, and regulated restaurants and coffeehouses.


Because second hand smoking has everything to do with gay marriage.

(rolls eyes)
 
2012-12-09 01:01:48 PM  
While I tend to be against organised religion, the topic of whether a gay couple is allowed to get married in a church (or other religious place) should be down to that particular religion and/or church.
While the modern atheist movement likes to shout about being denied freedoms, if a religions doctrine denies gay marriage then so be it. That's their choice in a free world.
As long as people are allowed to be married in the eyes of the state, then that is sufficient.
 
2012-12-09 01:09:09 PM  

TV's Vinnie:
Because second hand smoking has everything to do with gay marriage.

(rolls eyes)


If somebody smokes in the same room as you, you have to marry a turtle.
 
2012-12-09 01:11:15 PM  

hippyneil: While I tend to be against organised religion, the topic of whether a gay couple is allowed to get married in a church (or other religious place) should be down to that particular religion and/or church.
While the modern atheist movement likes to shout about being denied freedoms, if a religions doctrine denies gay marriage then so be it. That's their choice in a free world.
As long as people are allowed to be married in the eyes of the state, then that is sufficient.


I agree with this for the USA, but this article is Britain. The Church of England is the state religion so I don't know how the rules work there, they may be required to marry anyone.
 
2012-12-09 01:26:38 PM  

hippyneil: While I tend to be against organised religion, the topic of whether a gay couple is allowed to get married in a church (or other religious place) should be down to that particular religion and/or church.
While the modern atheist movement likes to shout about being denied freedoms, if a religions doctrine denies gay marriage then so be it. That's their choice in a free world.
As long as people are allowed to be married in the eyes of the state, then that is sufficient.



But, as someone pointed out upthread, the Church of England is an official state religion. If gay marriage is legal in England, and a gay couple's taxes go towards the Church's clergy and upkeep, then why shouldn't they be able to demand a church wedding -- just at the Church of England, not at a Catholic church or any other?
 
2012-12-09 01:36:28 PM  
Unfortunately, real conservatives and the GOP are at complete odds. Religious bigotry has clouded the path to common sense decision making.
 
2012-12-09 01:38:09 PM  

Goodfella: Very interesting, considering that, for all intents and purposes, the Republican party is basically America's version of the UK's Tory Party.


No.
The Democrats are our Tories.
The Republicans are our BNP.
 
2012-12-09 01:46:50 PM  

m2313:
The Democrats are our Tories.
The Republicans are our BNP.

 

So the BNP isn't the oil company, but more like American Nazis, but with the ironic twist that they include Jews and hate Muslims?
 
2012-12-09 02:09:45 PM  

Brokenseas: hippyneil: While I tend to be against organised religion, the topic of whether a gay couple is allowed to get married in a church (or other religious place) should be down to that particular religion and/or church.
While the modern atheist movement likes to shout about being denied freedoms, if a religions doctrine denies gay marriage then so be it. That's their choice in a free world.
As long as people are allowed to be married in the eyes of the state, then that is sufficient.


But, as someone pointed out upthread, the Church of England is an official state religion. If gay marriage is legal in England, and a gay couple's taxes go towards the Church's clergy and upkeep, then why shouldn't they be able to demand a church wedding -- just at the Church of England, not at a Catholic church or any other?


They can choose tea and cake with the vicar, or death!

/Joke is not at all obscure
 
2012-12-09 02:10:47 PM  

Wyalt Derp: English Prime Minister, David Cameron:

"I'm a massive supporter of marriage and I don't want gay people to be excluded from a great institution."

"to anyone who has reservations, I say: Yes, it's about equality, but it's also about something else: commitment. Conservatives believe in the ties that bind us; that society is stronger when we make vows to each other and support each other. So I don't support gay marriage despite being a Conservative. I support gay marriage because I'm a Conservative."


That bolded sentence right there encompasses the total disconnect between British Conservatives and American Conservatives.
 
2012-12-09 02:20:49 PM  
These asskiss Republicans are getting embarrassing.

Reminds me of that ex-gf who promised to be more like your new gf if you took her back.

/they're not coming back guys
//have some dignity
 
2012-12-09 02:25:41 PM  

Chameleon: Wyalt Derp: English Prime Minister, David Cameron:

"I'm a massive supporter of marriage and I don't want gay people to be excluded from a great institution."

"to anyone who has reservations, I say: Yes, it's about equality, but it's also about something else: commitment. Conservatives believe in the ties that bind us; that society is stronger when we make vows to each other and support each other. So I don't support gay marriage despite being a Conservative. I support gay marriage because I'm a Conservative."


That bolded sentence right there encompasses the total disconnect between British Conservatives and American Conservatives.


American Conservatives are more of the "fark everybody else I got mine why don't you earn what you want instead of dema-- OH GOD I'M IN TROUBLE NOW YOU ALL HAVE TO BAIL ME OUT THIS IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION" variety.
 
2012-12-09 02:32:00 PM  

cchris_39: These asskiss Republicans are getting embarrassing.

Reminds me of that ex-gf who promised to be more like your new gf if you took her back.

/they're not coming back guys
//have some dignity


What does this have to do with UK Conservatives again?
 
2012-12-09 02:32:58 PM  
Opposition Tories just obeying Rule No. 1.: NO poufters!
 
2012-12-09 02:35:15 PM  

pciszek: apoptotic: FTA: "Ministers will offer a guarantee that no institution will be forced to marry gay people on their premises - but Tory MPs and religious groups have questioned whether it would stand up to challenges under the Human Rights Act."

If allowing people to marry the person they love, without forcing anyone to perform the ceremony if they object to it, violates your Human Rights Act, there may be a flaw in the Act.

The Church of England, as its name implies, is a government institution, supported by taxes. Any CoE clergyman who refuses to marry a couple based on his/her personal beliefs should be removed from office like just that justice of the peace in the USA who was fired for refusing to marry interracial couples.

Non-state-established churches, on the other hand, can be as bigotted as they like.


The Louisiana Justice of the peace wasn't fired: he resigned.

As far as the main point goes, kinda makes you glad we do have a separation of church and state, eh, conservatards?
 
2012-12-09 02:35:17 PM  
That being said:

The Republicans lost whatever dignity they had left when they rejected a non-binding UN resolution on disability rights with no enforcement clause solely because they're afraid the UN black helicopters will take their homeschooled children away.

That and stalling on providing funding to emergency workers of 9/11.

I'm just curious to see how much further the GOP can sink before they finally hit rock bottom.

But the fact you think the GOP has any dignity left is hysterical!
 
2012-12-09 02:40:54 PM  

BitwiseShift: So the BNP isn't the oil company, but more like American Nazis, but with the ironic twist that they include Jews and hate Muslims?


That's actually pretty spot-on. I'm not sure if they hate Jews or not, but I know they focus on Muslims the most, so yes.
 
2012-12-09 03:01:46 PM  

Mrtraveler01: That being said:

The Republicans lost whatever dignity they had left when they rejected a non-binding UN resolution on disability rights with no enforcement clause solely because they're afraid the UN black helicopters will take their homeschooled children away.

That and stalling on providing funding to emergency workers of 9/11.

I'm just curious to see how much further the GOP can sink before they finally hit rock bottom.

But the fact you think the GOP has any dignity left is hysterical!


Every time you think they've hit bottom, someone throws them a shovel. The GOP has gone irrevocably insane. The only question now is how much damage will they do before they finally die.
 
2012-12-09 03:39:34 PM  
DC: I support gay marriage because I'm a Conservative."

Winnar winnar, chicken dinnar with a side of bubble and squeak.

End of the day, marriage, all marriage, strengthens society by creating more stable economic environments.

Conservatives should be for all marriage purely from a fiscal conservative POV and libertarian conservatism would tend to dictate that government should not only not interfere with people who want to get married but champion them from a socially conservative POV.

The faux-Christians who taken over large swaths of the GOP who constantly cite family values while pretending that creating impediments to marriage equality is anything other an anti-marriage stance are out and out hypocrites who've redefined "conservative" so far by this point that they are long overdue for a visit from Inigo Montoya.

*blink*
 
2012-12-09 03:49:30 PM  

Goodfella: Very interesting, considering that, for all intents and purposes, the Republican party is basically America's version of the UK's Tory Party.



The GOP could learn a thing or two from the Tories.


/not gonna happen though
 
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