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(LA Times)   Manny Pacquiao inches one step closer to his big payday with Floyd Mayweather by getting KNOCKED OUT COLD by Juan Manuel Marquez in the waning seconds of the sixth round. Seriously, though, this might've been the Fight of the Year   (latimes.com) divider line 91
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2012-12-09 12:58:51 PM

mjg: Deadspin has an animated gif of the hit.


Oh man, it gets even better.

I threw a punch like that in my last fight (image at bottom of my profile) but it didn't knock him out :( My wee arms are no enough to knock em out apparently. Though my guy was backing up and Manny was moving forward, that always makes a huge difference. Plus, location location location. He hit him right on the button.
 
2012-12-09 01:03:29 PM

Unclepaulie216: Possible fight of the year?


Berto/Guerrero was pretty good last month. Don't forget about that...
 
2012-12-09 01:42:12 PM

machoprogrammer: JorgiX: the biggest redneck here: JorgiX: the biggest redneck here: PEDs work.

Could you present your evidence please?

Are you really so daft? Honestly?

Well, PEDs clearly work but I assume you're implying that they were used by Marquez. In that case, are you familiar with the Nonito Donaire/ Victor Conte relationship?

All pro boxers and fighters juice. If you think otherwise, I am jealous of your naivety.


Not completely true, but it's more reasonable to assume guilt than innocence, especially when there's smoke in the air.

/several guys on last night's UFC card were enrolled in VADA
 
2012-12-09 01:56:17 PM

machoprogrammer: JorgiX: the biggest redneck here: JorgiX: the biggest redneck here: PEDs work.

Could you present your evidence please?

Are you really so daft? Honestly?

Well, PEDs clearly work but I assume you're implying that they were used by Marquez. In that case, are you familiar with the Nonito Donaire/ Victor Conte relationship?

All pro boxers and fighters juice. If you think otherwise, I am jealous of your naivety.


I am not jealous of your incredible stupidity.

/absolutes...
 
2012-12-09 02:33:56 PM
That punch was epic, despite it causing me to lose my bet. I felt the reverb a 1000+ miles away.

But...Mitt Romney? I drank a lot last night, but not to the point of hallucinating Romney into the crowd.

/yeah, I know, take it to the Politics tab
 
2012-12-09 03:20:11 PM

Loomy: There's a clip of the punch up on YouTube (in Russian) - enjoy it while it lasts...


There's a highlight reel of the fight at ESPN, including the punch. I doubt that's going down anytime soon.
 
2012-12-09 05:03:36 PM

SharkInfested: That punch was epic, despite it causing me to lose my bet. I felt the reverb a 1000+ miles away.

But...Mitt Romney? I drank a lot last night, but not to the point of hallucinating Romney into the crowd.

/yeah, I know, take it to the Politics tab


Marquez feinted left and threw one of the most vicious short rights in recent boxing history, hitting Pacquiao flush in the face and sending him to the canvas, right in front of Mitt and Ann Romney's ringside seats ("I couldn't believe it, he went down right in front of me!" Ann said later.) It seemed oddly appropriate: Romney knows all about clear defeats emerging dramatically after close and tough battles.


http://keepingscore.blogs.time.com/2012/12/09/the-punch-that-knocked- o ut-manny-pacquiao/
 
2012-12-09 05:38:34 PM
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2012-12-09 06:03:04 PM

JorgiX: the biggest redneck here: PEDs work.

Could you present your evidence please?



Training with a 'roid specialist. Gaining muscle mass and power suddenly at 39. Basically, same evidence that there was against Barry Bonds.

Oh but he never tested positive so everyone should shut up. Gotcha.
 
2012-12-09 06:55:38 PM
Comment of the night:

Q: How many Mexicans does it take to knock out Pacquiao?
A: Juan
 
2012-12-09 07:08:42 PM
Best fight I've seen in a while, nice to see it happen before boxing is totally irrelevant. Anyone saying Manny is done because of this is a fool that probably didn't watch the fight.
 
2012-12-09 07:34:04 PM

TheJoe03: Best fight I've seen in a while, nice to see it happen before boxing is totally irrelevant. Anyone saying Manny is done because of this is a fool that probably didn't watch the fight.


At the very least, he's damaged goods now. Certainly lost 30% or more of his drawing power. He can't fight no-names and pull 1 mil PPVs ever again.

Combined with Cotto's loss, boxing now has a draw and a half. And the draw doesn't like to fight, and the half gets hit clean a bunch. So... yeah.
 
2012-12-09 07:45:49 PM

Loomy: There's a clip of the punch up on YouTube (in Russian) - enjoy it while it lasts...


:49....wow. Manny literally did not see it coming.
 
2012-12-09 07:55:01 PM

JorgiX: machoprogrammer: JorgiX: the biggest redneck here: JorgiX: the biggest redneck here: PEDs work.

Could you present your evidence please?

Are you really so daft? Honestly?

Well, PEDs clearly work but I assume you're implying that they were used by Marquez. In that case, are you familiar with the Nonito Donaire/ Victor Conte relationship?

All pro boxers and fighters juice. If you think otherwise, I am jealous of your naivety.

I am not jealous of your incredible stupidity.

/absolutes...


Ok, not all, but nearly all. I am sure most "local pros" are clean, but the ones in UFC/Strikeforce/etc... are doping.

the biggest redneck here: Not completely true, but it's more reasonable to assume guilt than innocence, especially when there's smoke in the air.

/several guys on last night's UFC card were enrolled in VADA



I would say even the ones enrolled in VADA could be juicing. It is ridiculously easy to beat drug tests. Even random ones.
 
2012-12-09 07:55:58 PM

Christian Bale: JorgiX: the biggest redneck here: PEDs work.

Could you present your evidence please?


Training with a 'roid specialist. Gaining muscle mass and power suddenly at 39. Basically, same evidence that there was against Barry Bonds.

Oh but he never tested positive so everyone should shut up. Gotcha.


He didn't gain muscle mass suddenly. He started bulking up since 2009 for the Mayweather fight, and did so badly for that particular match but started and gained a decent amount of mass nonetheless without working with Memo. He weighed in a flabbyish 142 meaning his pure body mass was probably around 138 lbs. and he came in at a much more defined 143 this time around. It is reasonable to assume he was fully hydrated in both weigh ins since he came way under the limit. A gain of 5-10 lbs. in more than 3 years for a high performance athlete is not unheard of or suspect for that matter.

As far as power is concerned, the Pacquiao camp has mentioned that it was not a change in his power that created the KO. They point at Manny simply not seeing nor expecting that shot. Plus, Marquez has always been known as a big puncher. That is very subjective though.

Now, Nonito Donaire trains with a 'roid specialist, has created muscle mass, and carried power with him in the process. He is also cooperating with VADA who can apply blood tests 24/7/365. Nevada needs to implement a system of random blood testing in this day and age and suspicion is reasonable, assumptions are not.
 
2012-12-09 08:16:23 PM

machoprogrammer: JorgiX: machoprogrammer: JorgiX: the biggest redneck here: JorgiX: the biggest redneck here: PEDs work.

Could you present your evidence please?

Are you really so daft? Honestly?

Well, PEDs clearly work but I assume you're implying that they were used by Marquez. In that case, are you familiar with the Nonito Donaire/ Victor Conte relationship?

All pro boxers and fighters juice. If you think otherwise, I am jealous of your naivety.

I am not jealous of your incredible stupidity.

/absolutes...

Ok, not all, but nearly all. I am sure most "local pros" are clean, but the ones in UFC/Strikeforce/etc... are doping.

the biggest redneck here: Not completely true, but it's more reasonable to assume guilt than innocence, especially when there's smoke in the air.

/several guys on last night's UFC card were enrolled in VADA


I would say even the ones enrolled in VADA could be juicing. It is ridiculously easy to beat drug tests. Even random ones.


Nope. VADA does 24/7 random blood and urine, and they use the Olympic lab at UCLA. They use CIR for synthetic test, and update weekly. Go through 10 weeks of that, and you're either as clean as a brand new white board, or using some shiat the human world doesn't know about.
 
2012-12-09 08:18:23 PM

JorgiX: Christian Bale: JorgiX: the biggest redneck here: PEDs work.

Could you present your evidence please?


Training with a 'roid specialist. Gaining muscle mass and power suddenly at 39. Basically, same evidence that there was against Barry Bonds.

Oh but he never tested positive so everyone should shut up. Gotcha.

He didn't gain muscle mass suddenly. He started bulking up since 2009 for the Mayweather fight, and did so badly for that particular match but started and gained a decent amount of mass nonetheless without working with Memo. He weighed in a flabbyish 142 meaning his pure body mass was probably around 138 lbs. and he came in at a much more defined 143 this time around. It is reasonable to assume he was fully hydrated in both weigh ins since he came way under the limit. A gain of 5-10 lbs. in more than 3 years for a high performance athlete is not unheard of or suspect for that matter.

As far as power is concerned, the Pacquiao camp has mentioned that it was not a change in his power that created the KO. They point at Manny simply not seeing nor expecting that shot. Plus, Marquez has always been known as a big puncher. That is very subjective though.

Now, Nonito Donaire trains with a 'roid specialist, has created muscle mass, and carried power with him in the process. He is also cooperating with VADA who can apply blood tests 24/7/365. Nevada needs to implement a system of random blood testing in this day and age and suspicion is reasonable, assumptions are not.


Willful ignorance might be even more embarrassing than just the plain type.
 
2012-12-09 08:20:32 PM

the biggest redneck here: At the very least, he's damaged goods now. Certainly lost 30% or more of his drawing power. He can't fight no-names and pull 1 mil PPVs ever again.


That's true but despite him getting knocked the fark out, he looked better than I've seen him in a while. Also, if they Mayweather fight happens, it will still be the biggest fight boxing has seen since the 90s.
 
2012-12-09 08:20:39 PM
Is it too soon to post the Nicole Simpson photo alongside the Pacquiao photo?
 
2012-12-09 08:25:24 PM

PowerSlacker: Is it too soon to post the Nicole Simpson photo alongside the Pacquiao photo?


That's crazy that you mention that, because I thought several hours ago of asking Jorgi how the search was going for her true killers. Real weird.
 
2012-12-09 09:22:53 PM

the biggest redneck here: JorgiX: Christian Bale: JorgiX: the biggest redneck here: PEDs work.

Could you present your evidence please?


Training with a 'roid specialist. Gaining muscle mass and power suddenly at 39. Basically, same evidence that there was against Barry Bonds.

Oh but he never tested positive so everyone should shut up. Gotcha.

He didn't gain muscle mass suddenly. He started bulking up since 2009 for the Mayweather fight, and did so badly for that particular match but started and gained a decent amount of mass nonetheless without working with Memo. He weighed in a flabbyish 142 meaning his pure body mass was probably around 138 lbs. and he came in at a much more defined 143 this time around. It is reasonable to assume he was fully hydrated in both weigh ins since he came way under the limit. A gain of 5-10 lbs. in more than 3 years for a high performance athlete is not unheard of or suspect for that matter.

As far as power is concerned, the Pacquiao camp has mentioned that it was not a change in his power that created the KO. They point at Manny simply not seeing nor expecting that shot. Plus, Marquez has always been known as a big puncher. That is very subjective though.

Now, Nonito Donaire trains with a 'roid specialist, has created muscle mass, and carried power with him in the process. He is also cooperating with VADA who can apply blood tests 24/7/365. Nevada needs to implement a system of random blood testing in this day and age and suspicion is reasonable, assumptions are not.

Willful ignorance might be even more embarrassing than just the plain type.


You see, calling someone ignorant over and over without any evidence or argument of your own does not make you right. That's OK though that is how children or people with equivalent brain power think they have an argument.

Again, I am OK with the people that have suspicions. You go much further though, you are just short of affirming something you have no knowledge of. And when we analyze the issue raised in depth (increase in muscle mass) we can see that the facts are not all that unusual. Keep telling yourself you know it all though it's very amusing.
 
2012-12-09 09:32:14 PM

JorgiX: the biggest redneck here: JorgiX: Christian Bale: JorgiX: the biggest redneck here: PEDs work.

Could you present your evidence please?


Training with a 'roid specialist. Gaining muscle mass and power suddenly at 39. Basically, same evidence that there was against Barry Bonds.

Oh but he never tested positive so everyone should shut up. Gotcha.

He didn't gain muscle mass suddenly. He started bulking up since 2009 for the Mayweather fight, and did so badly for that particular match but started and gained a decent amount of mass nonetheless without working with Memo. He weighed in a flabbyish 142 meaning his pure body mass was probably around 138 lbs. and he came in at a much more defined 143 this time around. It is reasonable to assume he was fully hydrated in both weigh ins since he came way under the limit. A gain of 5-10 lbs. in more than 3 years for a high performance athlete is not unheard of or suspect for that matter.

As far as power is concerned, the Pacquiao camp has mentioned that it was not a change in his power that created the KO. They point at Manny simply not seeing nor expecting that shot. Plus, Marquez has always been known as a big puncher. That is very subjective though.

Now, Nonito Donaire trains with a 'roid specialist, has created muscle mass, and carried power with him in the process. He is also cooperating with VADA who can apply blood tests 24/7/365. Nevada needs to implement a system of random blood testing in this day and age and suspicion is reasonable, assumptions are not.

Willful ignorance might be even more embarrassing than just the plain type.

You see, calling someone ignorant over and over without any evidence or argument of your own does not make you right. That's OK though that is how children or people with equivalent brain power think they have an argument.

Again, I am OK with the people that have suspicions. You go much further though, you are just short of affirming something you have no knowledge of. And when we analyze the issue raised in depth (increase in muscle mass) we can see that the facts are not all that unusual. Keep telling yourself you know it all though it's very amusing.


The evidence to anyone with a basic understanding of the facts (Memo, body change in late 30s, was shot and flabby years ago, now spry, etc) and semi-trained eye is so overwhelming that its doubters are worthy of nothing more than derision. So that's what you'll get.
 
2012-12-09 09:57:06 PM

the biggest redneck here: JorgiX: the biggest redneck here: JorgiX: Christian Bale: JorgiX: the biggest redneck here: PEDs work.

Could you present your evidence please?


Training with a 'roid specialist. Gaining muscle mass and power suddenly at 39. Basically, same evidence that there was against Barry Bonds.

Oh but he never tested positive so everyone should shut up. Gotcha.

He didn't gain muscle mass suddenly. He started bulking up since 2009 for the Mayweather fight, and did so badly for that particular match but started and gained a decent amount of mass nonetheless without working with Memo. He weighed in a flabbyish 142 meaning his pure body mass was probably around 138 lbs. and he came in at a much more defined 143 this time around. It is reasonable to assume he was fully hydrated in both weigh ins since he came way under the limit. A gain of 5-10 lbs. in more than 3 years for a high performance athlete is not unheard of or suspect for that matter.

As far as power is concerned, the Pacquiao camp has mentioned that it was not a change in his power that created the KO. They point at Manny simply not seeing nor expecting that shot. Plus, Marquez has always been known as a big puncher. That is very subjective though.

Now, Nonito Donaire trains with a 'roid specialist, has created muscle mass, and carried power with him in the process. He is also cooperating with VADA who can apply blood tests 24/7/365. Nevada needs to implement a system of random blood testing in this day and age and suspicion is reasonable, assumptions are not.

Willful ignorance might be even more embarrassing than just the plain type.

You see, calling someone ignorant over and over without any evidence or argument of your own does not make you right. That's OK though that is how children or people with equivalent brain power think they have an argument.

Again, I am OK with the people that have suspicions. You go much further though, you are just short of affirming something you have no knowledge of. And when we ...


Juan Manuel Marquez shot years ago? What are you talking about? You are a moron. He was flabby because he moved around 7 pounds in weight in about 9 weeks of camp. Everyone knew the Mayweather fight was his to lose and he rebounded with good victories over very good competition (especially Juan Diaz). He had more than 2 years to make the EXACT SAME change in weight so of course it was reached more carefully.

The problem is you speak of something you have no idea about. Go to basically any gym of any type and ask around, 7 lbs. in even one year is not a dramatic weight gain, especially when training in the conditions that Marquez trained under this time around. You are more than welcome to visit Mexico's Olympic Training Center (whichever one you choose) and see the state of the art equipment that he trained with. Do 5 months of high-level plyometrics for the first time and let's see if you don't gain power.
 
2012-12-09 11:55:23 PM
I can't wait to crank up my Victrola and hang an onion from my belt and watch this display of pugilism.
 
2012-12-10 12:16:30 AM
ROids. Plain as day. Cheater juice monkey.
 
2012-12-10 01:34:24 AM

mc_madness: ROids. Plain as day. Cheater juice monkey.


He lost, dude.
 
2012-12-10 03:04:01 AM
A natural, juice free bodybuilder takes 1 year to gain 10 pounds of muscle. Someone who totally specializes in muscle hypertrophy. So you don't run, train footwork, etc and you only gain 10 pounds for someone whose average height is 5'10 and doesn't do anything but lift 10-12 reps, eats tons of carbs and probably sleeps 10 hours a day.

Muscle mass is precious real state for a natural bodybuilder. Take also that once you hit 25 (mid 20s) muscles which you don't use start to lose mass and once you hit your very early 30s your body's hormones levels start to significantly drop every year.

Gaining power and mass in your late 30s is very, very hard....

Still JMM is an excellent counter puncher to Pacman's aggressiveness and Pacman has always had problems with JMM
 
2012-12-10 03:06:24 AM

TheJoe03: That's true but despite him getting knocked the fark out, he looked better than I've seen him in a while. Also, if they Mayweather fight happens, it will still be the biggest fight boxing has seen since the 90s.


Don't you mean Marquez-Mayweather now? Because Marquez is the one with the belt.
 
2012-12-10 03:20:06 AM

Gosling: Don't you mean Marquez-Mayweather now? Because Marquez is the one with the belt.


I would love to watch that fight, but at least they already fought and Pacman and Floyd are still the best two PFP fighters of their generation.
 
2012-12-10 04:42:42 AM

Gosling: TheJoe03: That's true but despite him getting knocked the fark out, he looked better than I've seen him in a while. Also, if they Mayweather fight happens, it will still be the biggest fight boxing has seen since the 90s.

Don't you mean Marquez-Mayweather now? Because Marquez is the one with the belt.


Actually neither of them have a belt.
 
2012-12-10 08:36:37 AM

GoHomeAndGetYourShinebox: Gosling: TheJoe03: That's true but despite him getting knocked the fark out, he looked better than I've seen him in a while. Also, if they Mayweather fight happens, it will still be the biggest fight boxing has seen since the 90s.

Don't you mean Marquez-Mayweather now? Because Marquez is the one with the belt.

Actually neither of them have a belt.


Actually, Floyd has them at both 147 and 154, which is unusual that he's allowed to keep both. Pretty sure Marquez has at least 1 of the 140 straps, too. So yeah, they have belts. Lots of them, not that belts matter these days.
 
2012-12-10 10:15:41 AM

the biggest redneck here: Nope. VADA does 24/7 random blood and urine, and they use the Olympic lab at UCLA. They use CIR for synthetic test, and update weekly. Go through 10 weeks of that, and you're either as clean as a brand new white board, or using some shiat the human world doesn't know about.


Drugs are always ahead of testing. And those tests are still beatable. Believe me... Even "natural" bodybuilders who have to go through rigorous testing and even do polygraphs are juicing.

Out of curiosity, let's say the athlete is training in New York, how does VADA acquire their sample? Assuming they are CA based.


Muffin'sTop: A natural, juice free bodybuilder takes 1 year to gain 10 pounds of muscle. Someone who totally specializes in muscle hypertrophy. So you don't run, train footwork, etc and you only gain 10 pounds for someone whose average height is 5'10 and doesn't do anything but lift 10-12 reps, eats tons of carbs and probably sleeps 10 hours a day.

Muscle mass is precious real state for a natural bodybuilder. Take also that once you hit 25 (mid 20s) muscles which you don't use start to lose mass and once you hit your very early 30s your body's hormones levels start to significantly drop every year.

Gaining power and mass in your late 30s is very, very hard....

Still JMM is an excellent counter puncher to Pacman's aggressiveness and Pacman has always had problems with JMM


Yep. One can gain about 10 lb of muscle mass a year, sometimes more depending on circumstance ("newbie" gains, someone who has been lifting a while without eating enough calories suddenly eating a shiatload, etc...). 15 is about the maximum for someone with really good genetics. If that person is suddenly adding in MMA/boxing training, those gains become even more difficult due to the number of calories burned (the athlete would need to eat another 1k+ calories per day, which is really friggen hard). When a guy hits early to mid 30s, unless he's been lifting clean for years (so his natural testosterone is pretty high), his testosterone is going to go down really fast and gains become even more harder. If the guy hasn't ever lifted, gaining mass in the late 30s is ridiculously hard (not impossible, but really hard).
 
2012-12-10 11:31:59 AM

machoprogrammer: the biggest redneck here: Nope. VADA does 24/7 random blood and urine, and they use the Olympic lab at UCLA. They use CIR for synthetic test, and update weekly. Go through 10 weeks of that, and you're either as clean as a brand new white board, or using some shiat the human world doesn't know about.

Drugs are always ahead of testing. And those tests are still beatable. Believe me... Even "natural" bodybuilders who have to go through rigorous testing and even do polygraphs are juicing.

Out of curiosity, let's say the athlete is training in New York, how does VADA acquire their sample? Assuming they are CA based.


Muffin'sTop: A natural, juice free bodybuilder takes 1 year to gain 10 pounds of muscle. Someone who totally specializes in muscle hypertrophy. So you don't run, train footwork, etc and you only gain 10 pounds for someone whose average height is 5'10 and doesn't do anything but lift 10-12 reps, eats tons of carbs and probably sleeps 10 hours a day.

Muscle mass is precious real state for a natural bodybuilder. Take also that once you hit 25 (mid 20s) muscles which you don't use start to lose mass and once you hit your very early 30s your body's hormones levels start to significantly drop every year.

Gaining power and mass in your late 30s is very, very hard....

Still JMM is an excellent counter puncher to Pacman's aggressiveness and Pacman has always had problems with JMM

Yep. One can gain about 10 lb of muscle mass a year, sometimes more depending on circumstance ("newbie" gains, someone who has been lifting a while without eating enough calories suddenly eating a shiatload, etc...). 15 is about the maximum for someone with really good genetics. If that person is suddenly adding in MMA/boxing training, those gains become even more difficult due to the number of calories burned (the athlete would need to eat another 1k+ calories per day, which is really friggen hard). When a guy hits early to mid 30s, unless he's been lifting clean for years (so his natural testosterone is pretty high), his testosterone is going to go down really fast and gains become even more harder. If the guy hasn't ever lifted, gaining mass in the late 30s is ridiculously hard (not impossible, but really hard).


It's incredibly difficult to beat CIR for synth test and EPO. As in, pretty much impossible for the test. Those are the 2 hot ones now, and the rest is pretty elementary with good blood. Yes, labs that aren't doing carbon isotope ratios are super easy to beat, even when tested randomly. Just microdose and stay under certain ratios, and you'll always test "clean." But once CIR is introduced, the gig is pretty much up. If you think you can beat the UCLA lab for 10 consecutive weeks, well... good luck.

Yeah, they have couriers and such. Athletes are required to give the testers a schedule of their whereabouts 24/7 weeks in advance.
 
2012-12-10 12:12:15 PM

the biggest redneck here: machoprogrammer: JorgiX: machoprogrammer: JorgiX: the biggest redneck here: JorgiX: the biggest redneck here: PEDs work.

Could you present your evidence please?

Are you really so daft? Honestly?

Well, PEDs clearly work but I assume you're implying that they were used by Marquez. In that case, are you familiar with the Nonito Donaire/ Victor Conte relationship?

All pro boxers and fighters juice. If you think otherwise, I am jealous of your naivety.

I am not jealous of your incredible stupidity.

/absolutes...

Ok, not all, but nearly all. I am sure most "local pros" are clean, but the ones in UFC/Strikeforce/etc... are doping.

the biggest redneck here: Not completely true, but it's more reasonable to assume guilt than innocence, especially when there's smoke in the air.

/several guys on last night's UFC card were enrolled in VADA


I would say even the ones enrolled in VADA could be juicing. It is ridiculously easy to beat drug tests. Even random ones.

Nope. VADA does 24/7 random blood and urine, and they use the Olympic lab at UCLA. They use CIR for synthetic test, and update weekly. Go through 10 weeks of that, and you're either as clean as a brand new white board, or using some shiat the human world doesn't know about.


On the contrary, drug testing always has to try to catch up. PED use is usually a few years ahead of testing by elite athletes. That's why you only find out about positives in some guys like Armstrong and the guys that got busted from the 2004 Olympics some years later.

/Is there a working HGH test yet? Last I heard, there wasn't.
 
2012-12-10 01:56:11 PM

RevMercutio: /Is there a working HGH test yet? Last I heard, there wasn't.


Yeah but it is ridiculously expensive, unreliable and blood-based. So in other words, nope.

the biggest redneck here: Yeah, they have couriers and such. Athletes are required to give the testers a schedule of their whereabouts 24/7 weeks in advance.


Does the courier actually draw the blood, or witness it being drawn? And yeah, there are always undetectable drugs. They cannot detect a drug until it is made and known. That is why they caught Lance just recently
 
2012-12-10 06:13:24 PM

machoprogrammer: RevMercutio: /Is there a working HGH test yet? Last I heard, there wasn't.

Yeah but it is ridiculously expensive, unreliable and blood-based. So in other words, nope.

the biggest redneck here: Yeah, they have couriers and such. Athletes are required to give the testers a schedule of their whereabouts 24/7 weeks in advance.

Does the courier actually draw the blood, or witness it being drawn? And yeah, there are always undetectable drugs. They cannot detect a drug until it is made and known. That is why they caught Lance just recently


There's a good HGH test.

Testing isn't as far behind nowadays as it once was, not even close. Information and communication has made it a fairly even game in the past couple years. Testing isn't behind much of anything nowadays, really. Even "the clear" was just an old steroid that hadn't been used in so long that it wasn't being tested for. So BALCO wasn't "ahead" of anything, they actually went so far back in time as to be irrelevent. The cliche that "the dopers are always one step ahead" isn't really true in 2012.

Depends on the system (USADA, VADA, AC, etc), but most of the couriers are personal witnesses at the very least and most draw the blood.
 
2012-12-10 08:45:42 PM
He didn't gain muscle mass suddenly. He started bulking up since 2009 for the Mayweather fight, and did so badly for that particular match but started and gained a decent amount of mass nonetheless without working with Memo. He weighed in a flabbyish 142 meaning his pure body mass was probably around 138 lbs. and he came in at a much more defined 143 this time around. It is reasonable to assume he was fully hydrated in both weigh ins since he came way under the limit. A gain of 5-10 lbs. in more than 3 years for a high performance athlete is not unheard of or suspect for that matter.

As far as power is concerned, the Pacquiao camp has mentioned that it was not a change in his power that created the KO. They point at Manny simply not seeing nor expecting that shot. Plus, Marquez has always been known as a big puncher. That is very subjective though.

Now, Nonito Donaire trains with a 'roid specialist, has created muscle mass, and carried power with him in the process. He is also cooperating with VADA who can apply blood tests 24/7/365. Nevada needs to implement a system of random blood testing in this day and age and suspicion is reasonable, assumptions are not.


Yeah but it is ridiculously expensive, unreliable and blood-based. So in other words, nope.

the biggest redneck here: Yeah, they have couriers and such. Athletes are required to give the testers a schedule of their whereabouts 24/7 weeks in advance.

Does the courier actually draw the blood, or witness it being drawn? And yeah, there are always undetectable drugs. They cannot detect a drug until it is made and known. That is why they caught Lance just recently

There's a good HGH test.

Testing isn't as far behind nowadays as it once was, not even close. Information and communication has made it a fairly even game in the past couple years. Testing isn't behind much of anything nowadays, really. Even "the clear" was just an old steroid that hadn't been used in so long that it wasn't being tested for. So BALCO wasn't "ahead" of anything, they actually went so far back in time as to be irrelevent. The cliche that "the dopers are always one step ahead" isn't really true in 2012.

Depends on the system (USADA, VADA, AC, etc), but most of the couriers are personal witnesses at the very least and most draw the blood.


Testing is WAY behind in Boxing. Nevada is ahead of other states, and they do a subpar job. Its pathetically easy to blow past the tests-and this fight had no blood tests. I would read the article that came out in NOV by Tom Hauser "Boxing's PED Mess" and you'll see how shady the whole thing has become. When you have Erik Morales claiming he tested positive for Clenbuterol because of tainted meat and people buy it, you know everyone is ignorant to what is going on.

It is pretty ridiculous to say 'There's no proof" when you have a 39 yr old guy who now has a Vinny Pazienza body (post car accident) with ripped delt-trap-upper tricep combo that is exhibited in everyone, and I mean everyone, who has ever tried HGH-synthetic testosterone-clen combos. At first I didnt think it would be a big deal, as I saw how Fernando Vargas faded vs Oscar due to the oxygen needed for the extra muscle. Then I remembered the EPO advantage-if you think bicyclist's are juicing to get an edge, but not fighters, you just aren't paying attention. A MMA fighter tests positive every other month and no one really bats an eyelash-yet somehow its crazy to think its prevalent in boxing?
JMM's body is the smoking gun-there are only 2 ways to change your physique the way JMM has-either be in your early 20's or use PED's. Working out for a full year (which JMM is already on record as saying he trained 8 weeks) wouldnt allow you to change that rapidly.

This wont come out anytime soon, and JMM probably feels justified to use an edge because he feels he won the 3rd fight fair and square, but this will come out. Dont be surprised when it does.
 
2012-12-10 09:32:37 PM
Testing in behind in boxing, yes. But testing at its highest levels is awful farking tight nowadays. If you're doping and you're enrolled in certain programs, you're going to get caught. Period. It's a matter of effort and money. The problem is that boxing doesn't take testing past anything resembling an elementary level because they do it on the cheap. In Nevada, there's no CIR, and the ratios they allow are laughable. They're pretty much sanctioning cheating with the type of testing they're doing.
 
2012-12-10 09:34:05 PM
Oh, and they pass out TUEs for syntest like they're PEZ. So they really are sanctioning cheating.
 
2012-12-10 11:22:06 PM

machoprogrammer: RevMercutio:
Yeah but it is ridiculously expensive, unreliable and blood-based. So in other words, nope.

the biggest redneck here: Yeah, they have couriers and such. Athletes are required to give the testers a schedule of their whereabouts 24/7 weeks in advance.

Does the courier actually draw the blood, or witness it being drawn? And yeah, there are always undetectable drugs. They cannot detect a drug until it is made and known. That is why they caught Lance just recently


No, they caught Lance because he was an asshole to too many people he needed to help in the cover up of his actions and/or many of those involved regret being involved for whatever reason. He still hasn't failed a drug test.
 
2012-12-11 12:52:08 PM
No, they caught Lance because he was an asshole to too many people he needed to help in the cover up of his actions and/or many of those involved regret being involved for whatever reason. He still hasn't failed a drug test.

A big, fat THIS
 
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