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2012-12-09 08:11:20 AM
Im no cop.

Redbones for lunch on Wednesdays. Spin the wheel. Drink lots of beer. Yup, we're pretty much done for the day.
 
2012-12-09 08:11:51 AM
This just in: everyone tries to take long lunches, leave early, and still get paid for it.

It isn't the best practice, but we all try it from time to time.
 
2012-12-09 08:21:22 AM
Speaking as a member of the public, is this such a bad thing?
 
2012-12-09 08:27:50 AM
Pfft.. no biggy. Some IT people go home for a long lunch of "afternoon delight."
 
2012-12-09 08:29:50 AM

Enemabag Jones: Speaking as a member of the public, is this such a bad thing?


Will you please think of the chillin
 
2012-12-09 08:31:47 AM
bearsharkaxe.com
 
2012-12-09 08:34:45 AM
Off-duty cops are still on-call right? They have the car, the radio, the gun...

I see no problems...
 
2012-12-09 08:41:22 AM
Well, obviously we should privatize the police force, reduce their pay by half, take away their benefits and give tax breaks to the wealthy. THAT will fix everything,
 
2012-12-09 08:44:20 AM
And if they weren't doing this, the media would be slamming them for taking too much overtime.
 
2012-12-09 08:52:17 AM

Enemabag Jones: Speaking as a member of the public, is this such a bad thing?


Yes! Ebil gubmint workers aren't allowed to do anything that private workers could do, but are bullied from not doing every day! If you are an ebil gubmint worker, you are our slave!

/Unless you're a Senator, then you are our money pit!
 
2012-12-09 08:55:01 AM
Was the Obvious tag at lunch or something?
 
2012-12-09 08:58:01 AM

INeedAName: This just in: everyone tries to take long lunches, leave early, and still get paid for it.

It isn't the best practice, but we all try it from time to time.


Yes, but with government employees it is more far moe routine be it cops, the paper shufflers at the VA or some GS something or another at a local miltary base.

Not so cool story bro Have this friend whose sister works for a federal agency up north Whole office is career civil service with by her own admission not much to do. Once a week one person stays behind to answer the phone while the rest, to include their supervisor go play golf or bowling. Needless to say long luches and short days are routine.

Other not so cool story bro

Two police officers fired for working security jobs at the same time they were on shift doing their regular police jobs . Instead of patrolling streets they were were working private security but getting paid for both. They were caught when a supeviosr from another sector happen to see them. Problem is only they were fired. Other officers, mauybe even their supervisor, had to be covering for them.


Cops may have an activity sheet where they have to show how many tickets written, types of arrests , DUIs arrests they have made.. Actual quotas may be illegal in your location but they simply replace them with things like "shift averages" ie Does officer Jones write about as many speeding ticksets as everyone else? Does he make at least one DWI/DUI arrest a month stuff like that But if one or two days a week the officer does not show a lot of activity no big deal as long as the monthly numbers look OK when their bosses create paperwork to justify their existence.

The problem with many government jobs is that no results are required and even if there are it is extremely hard to fire a government employee. Despite al the horror stories you hear about places like the VA when was the last time you heard about a VA employee getting fired? In most private sector jobs you have to show some productivity for how you spend your time. In government is might be just a certain volumn of paper work to be genreated and not even genreated correctly.

My very eldelry father, a veteran, commented about a difference he noticed between VA hospitals and civilian ones. It was the intensity. In the civilian hosptal everybody always seemed busy, staff was always rushing around. In the VA facilties, depsite the number of people waitng to be seen it was a more of we will get to it when we get to it atmosphere. Staff standing in the hall BSing etc.
 
2012-12-09 09:01:48 AM
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2012-12-09 09:06:05 AM

Pick: I got news for you 47%ers. Taking away tax breaks on the rich won't raise squat for the deficit. It's just a "thing" to appease voters.

Deep spending cuts is the only answer.


Read an article somewhere (might have been through Fark) that said if the Federal Government took every penny from the rich people (billionaires, millionaires, etc) it would only run the government for about 3-4 months.. then what? Wait another 8-14 yrs to build up that kind of wealth again to fund anotherr for 3-4 months?

Don't get me wrong.. that's a buttload of money, but if that's even half true, spending cuts seem unavoidable...
 
2012-12-09 09:11:29 AM
...living the dream
 
2012-12-09 09:16:12 AM
Well, obviously we should privatize the police force, reduce their pay by half, take away their benefits and give tax breaks to the wealthy. THAT will fix everything,

Hey, it has worked for most of America.
 
2012-12-09 09:21:10 AM

ghare: Well, obviously we should privatize the police force, reduce their pay by half, take away their benefits and give tax breaks to the wealthy. THAT will fix everything,


Make them work for tips???
 
2012-12-09 09:23:57 AM
Just a polite little reminder that it is not only the police that create the problems, it can be the management creating problems.

Link

/For the record, I would rather have a lazy cops hang out in his home then be forced to make the decisions above effecting people's lives.
 
2012-12-09 09:24:45 AM

IlGreven: Enemabag Jones: Speaking as a member of the public, is this such a bad thing?

Yes! Ebil gubmint workers aren't allowed to do anything that private workers could do, but are bullied from not doing every day! If you are an ebil gubmint worker, you are our slave!

/Unless you're a Senator, then you are our money pit!



What private workers are allowed to do that?

/you must be thinking of other government jobs
 
2012-12-09 09:28:32 AM

ghare: Well, obviously we should privatize the police force, reduce their pay by half, take away their benefits and give tax breaks to the wealthy. THAT will fix everything,


I know this is sarcasm, but you CANNOT privatize law enforcement in the United States. Rural/Metro tried to do it in Arizona at the local level in some of the small towns in the 1970s, and the Appellate Courts in the states blocked them from doing so.
 
2012-12-09 09:35:36 AM
Thanks for reporting this breaking news, Ric.
 
2012-12-09 09:37:05 AM
This reminds me of the time I saw a car getting broken into and then saw a cop car with two cops in it a block away and just around the corner. I walked up and they were talking about where to go eat. I told them about the break-in in progress and they said they would handle it. They drove a block up to where I said it was happening on the left, kept driving about 8 blocks and then turned right. Which is in the general direction of a bunch of local food shops.
 
2012-12-09 10:00:07 AM
I once saw a rural cop allowed to take off early just because he'd accidentally had his head slammed into the sidewalk.
 
2012-12-09 10:04:01 AM
I have no problem with them taking extra long lunches. Restaurants are frequently targets for robbery and them being there deters criminals.
 
2012-12-09 10:38:00 AM

diaphoresis: Was the Obvious tag at lunch or something?


...went home early. Said it'd be WFH.
 
2012-12-09 10:43:39 AM
They must do things pretty different in Florida than they do around here. Don't these guys ever get dispatched to anything? Don't car wrecks or burglar alarms or civilian complaints happen?

This certainly couldn't happen in the city I work for. The dispatchers know where the cops are to within about a block, and if they realize they've lost track of one they ask for a location. They're sending closest units to calls at a fairly consistant rate, and they'd notice pretty quick if someone had disappeared.
The cops don't take home their cruisers, they have to report for roll call at the beginning of their shift and turn in car keys at the end. An environment where cutting out early, especially this early and this often, is confusing to me. I just don't see how it would work.
 
2012-12-09 10:44:25 AM
Sally Kestin, reporter for the Sun Sentinel needs to take care that her taillights are working. It sure would be awkward for her to be pulled over on a minor traffic stop and be recognized by one of the boys in blue whose buddy on the force just got dinged because of her fine whistle blowing.
 
2012-12-09 10:50:32 AM
The bottom line: "Citizens are paying for police protection they're not getting," said Dennis Kenney, a former Florida police officer who is now a professor at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York.


And this is how you get citizens on patrol a la Police Academy 4.
 
2012-12-09 11:32:00 AM
And in other news, journalists have never spent the afternoon in a bar in the entire history of journalism.
 
2012-12-09 12:04:16 PM
Just another reason I bust out my little violin every time I hear about a cop getting shot or crashing his car on his own behalf.....I love putting stupid cops on the stand and smirking when they get to answer questions for a change. Your badge means about as much as that plastic thing I see at any wal mart/crap store. (Not) a hero, all of you
 
2012-12-09 12:04:44 PM
I'm a gubmint employee. After putting in a full week, I worked an additional ten hours yesterday, and am about to go in again this afternoon. I am salaried, so overtime is not a possibility. Should the opportunity present itself, damn straight I will knock off early.

If these cops were slacking, I'd be the first in line to say "Dude, WTF?" However, toll records only tell part of the story. Schedules, time sheets, and dispatch logs tell the rest.
 
2012-12-09 02:11:48 PM
This just in: some city cops CEO's take long lunches, leave early, and still manage to get paid for it
 
2012-12-09 03:39:39 PM
Sure seem to be a lot of apologists in this thread.....
 
2012-12-09 04:43:39 PM
My last boss worked m-th supposedly 8 to 5 to get his 40 hours. He took 2 hour lunches minimum with his boss every day. I was expected to work my normal 7 to 3:30 shift and a full day every other sunday and keep my cell on 24-7 in case of a power outage. They refused to pay any part of my wireless bill. Basically I was working 70 days more a year than my own shiatty boss. If there was a legal way to ruin his life after him terminating me I would do it.
 
2012-12-09 05:14:32 PM

diaphoresis: Pick: I got news for you 47%ers. Taking away tax breaks on the rich won't raise squat for the deficit. It's just a "thing" to appease voters.

Deep spending cuts is the only answer.

Read an article somewhere (might have been through Fark) that said if the Federal Government took every penny from the rich people (billionaires, millionaires, etc) it would only run the government for about 3-4 months.. then what? Wait another 8-14 yrs to build up that kind of wealth again to fund anotherr for 3-4 months?

Don't get me wrong.. that's a buttload of money, but if that's even half true, spending cuts seem unavoidable...


Buying 'Buffett Rule' makes you a fool

According to the Congressional Budget Office

"Obama's Buffett Rule will raise - stand well back - $3.2 billion per year. Or what the United States government currently borrows every 17 hours. So in 514 years it will have raised enough additional revenue to pay off the 2011 federal budget deficit"

"For what Obama's spending, there aren't enough of them, or us, or "the rich" - and there never will be. There is only one Warren Buffett. He is the third-wealthiest person on the planet. The first is a Mexican, and beyond the reach of the U.S. Treasury. Mr. Buffett is worth $44 billion. If he donated the entire lot to the Government of the United States, they would blow through it within four-and-a-half days. OK, so who's the fourth-richest guy? He's French. And the fifth guy's a Spaniard. No. 6 six is Larry Ellison. He's American, but that loser is only worth $36 billion. So he and Buffett between them could keep the United States Government going for a week. The next-richest American is Christy Walton of Wal-Mart, and she's barely a semi-Buffett. So her $25 billion will see you through a couple of days of the second week. There aren't a lot of other semi-Buffetts, but, if you scrounge around, you can rustle up some hemi-demi-semi-Buffetts: If you confiscate the total wealth of the Forbes 400 richest Americans it comes to $1.5 trillion, which is just a little less than the Obama budget deficit for year."
 
2012-12-09 10:35:15 PM

itskk: I'm a gubmint employee. After putting in a full week, I worked an additional ten hours yesterday, and am about to go in again this afternoon. I am salaried, so overtime is not a possibility. Should the opportunity present itself, damn straight I will knock off early.

If these cops were slacking, I'd be the first in line to say "Dude, WTF?" However, toll records only tell part of the story. Schedules, time sheets, and dispatch logs tell the rest.


I'm not government but I do a boatload of evening teaching for my job and also take a bunch of paperwork home to get done during the evenings/weekends. I don't get overtime and my performance evaluations come out just fine, so you bet your ass I am at home anytime it gets slow. I still have my work phone on me at all times and I still pickup and deal with problems when I am at home, but there is no way I am going to be at work doing nothing when they owe me hours.

I have absolutely no problem with giving a cop time off his/her shift if they earned it somehow. Get in a fight and you are exhausted after it? Sure. Covered for another cop for sick time/emergencies? No problem. I would much rather have cops who are clear headed and effective than tired and just going through the motions. Now if they were leaving work just because? I can think of a few things they should be doing, like busting speeders in construction zones, or assisting with evidence/prisoner processing.
 
2012-12-09 11:13:16 PM

Farktastic: itskk: I'm a gubmint employee. After putting in a full week, I worked an additional ten hours yesterday, and am about to go in again this afternoon. I am salaried, so overtime is not a possibility. Should the opportunity present itself, damn straight I will knock off early.

If these cops were slacking, I'd be the first in line to say "Dude, WTF?" However, toll records only tell part of the story. Schedules, time sheets, and dispatch logs tell the rest.

I'm not government but I do a boatload of evening teaching for my job and also take a bunch of paperwork home to get done during the evenings/weekends. I don't get overtime and my performance evaluations come out just fine, so you bet your ass I am at home anytime it gets slow. I still have my work phone on me at all times and I still pickup and deal with problems when I am at home, but there is no way I am going to be at work doing nothing when they owe me hours.

I have absolutely no problem with giving a cop time off his/her shift if they earned it somehow. Get in a fight and you are exhausted after it? Sure. Covered for another cop for sick time/emergencies? No problem. I would much rather have cops who are clear headed and effective than tired and just going through the motions. Now if they were leaving work just because? I can think of a few things they should be doing, like busting speeders in construction zones, or assisting with evidence/prisoner processing.


Ya.... Cause 40 hours a week with the occasional fight is so tiring..... Give me a break. I work 84 hours a week for a month straight. Do I get to phone it in or slack off because the well was kicking for 3 or 4 days or the ROV broke down and I worked 16-18 hours in a row to fix it? No. I'm being paid for the hours I work. Not working for those hours is theft.

So you are ok with the cops stealing from you. Can I come work for you??? Actually, I don't even have to move. Will you put me on payroll?

/Fark those thieves.
//and their apologists.
 
2012-12-09 11:46:48 PM
So you would rather have a cop who just dealt with domestic disputes, a vehicular fatality, a massive bar brawl, or something else be the one to pull you over for speeding? Most cops I know who get the odd break on a shift get one because of that.

It sounds like you get paid by the hour. So be it, you probably get overtime too. You probably also have big freaking accidents on your jobsite due to operator errors due to fatigue. And how does the ROV break down anyway if there is a maintenance program for it? Again, probably operator error, most likely caused by fatigue. Just because your crap career demands it doesn't mean others have to do it as well.

Yes, there are people who abuse it and they should be punished for it. However, a tired cop (or any other emergency services worker) is no good in an emergency if they aren't prepared for it. Do you give Firemen shiat for sleeping on the job too?
 
2012-12-10 06:24:55 AM

Farktastic: So you would rather have a cop who just dealt with domestic disputes, a vehicular fatality, a massive bar brawl, or something else be the one to pull you over for speeding? Most cops I know who get the odd break on a shift get one because of that.

It sounds like you get paid by the hour. So be it, you probably get overtime too. You probably also have big freaking accidents on your jobsite due to operator errors due to fatigue. And how does the ROV break down anyway if there is a maintenance program for it? Again, probably operator error, most likely caused by fatigue. Just because your crap career demands it doesn't mean others have to do it as well.

Yes, there are people who abuse it and they should be punished for it. However, a tired cop (or any other emergency services worker) is no good in an emergency if they aren't prepared for it. Do you give Firemen shiat for sleeping on the job too?

Actually my career rocks..... Again, a cop works FORTY hours!!! How hard is that?

Also, the instances of fatigue causing error in my job are low. Most repair comes from the fact we put these machines into places and have them perform tasks that a human simply isn't able to. Do we push thematic their design limits? Occasionally. However, the majority of repairs are because machines break.

Also, firemen for the most part work 24 hour shifts, correct?
 
2012-12-10 01:42:40 PM
cops are salary yet still somehow double their salary through overtime. hmmmm
 
2012-12-11 04:57:10 PM
There's a simple solution to this: stop letting cops drive their patrol cars home.

Before I moved to Florida, I had never even heard of the concept of off-duty cops driving home in their cruisers. It's ridiculously common here, with the rationale being (so I'm told) that having police cars parked in residential driveways enhances the safety of those neighborhoods by letting criminals know that cops live there. And maybe it does.

But if you have to drive back to the station and turn in your cruiser at the end of your shift, the odds of you packing it in four hours early are pretty damned slim.
 
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