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(Al Jazeera)   After some thought, Egypt's Morsi decides this whole dictator thing is overrated   (aljazeera.com) divider line 25
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2012-12-09 01:10:18 AM
4 votes:

Modguy: Amos Quito: Rincewind53: Wow. He blinked. I didn't think he would.


Like it or not, reality is that the military still runs the show.


/Backed by USrael from behind the scenes
//Mubarak to Morsi
///Superficial

How do you feel about Turkey? Not precisely the same situation, but that's about what we can hope for in terms of Egypt.



I feel like humanity has outgrown itself.

We can no longer sustain the tribalist instincts by which we have defined ourselves for so long.

We shall either evolve - as a consciousness - beyond this state, or we shall destroy ourselves.

Our technology has surpassed the collective wisdom necessary to maintain equilibrium.

Either Wisdom evolves, or we become yet another failed experiment in evolution.


/Either way, life will go on
2012-12-08 11:24:28 PM
4 votes:
Translation: He didn't want to get the Mubarak treatment.
2012-12-08 10:08:33 PM
3 votes:

Rincewind53: Wow. He blinked. I didn't think he would.


He probably saw the news that the military might step in and panicked.
2012-12-09 12:48:10 AM
2 votes:

Cuchulane: I can see why Morsi turned around out of fear of the crowd, if he doesn't have the support of the military. I'm trying to figure out why the military tolerates these protests. What's their end game?


Military is obligatory for males of 18-30 years of age; service obligation 12-36 months, followed by a 9-year reserve obligation. Protesters are usually young men, as such post-service and in the Reserves themselves. The military men know this; that is probably why they do not want to harm the protesters, as it would be fighting amongst brothers.
2012-12-09 12:40:58 AM
2 votes:

Cuchulane: Amos Quito: Amos Quito: Cuchulane: I can see why Morsi turned around out of fear of the crowd, if he doesn't have the support of the military. I'm trying to figure out why the military tolerates these protests. What's their end game?


To remain in power, as they were under during Mubarak.


FTFM

Mubarak was just a puppet,

Yeah, I'm just trying to figure out what they see as the best way to do that. I mean, in reality there are limits to how far a military can go in only pretending that the government matters before the soldiers themselves start to abandon their posts. That's the theory anyway. Common thinking in the US is that if the military decided to just up and take over that the citizen soldiers themselves would rebel. That hasn't been true in Syria so far though. So how does the military plan to most effectivly keep power and keep the peace?



Obviously the TRUE power lies with the people. The trick to governing is in leading the people to believe that you are serving their best interests.

Oftentimes the best way to do this is to create the illusion of false opposition, whereon the people can be coerced into accepting that which is NOT in their interests based on the (often false) belief that the alternative is even less appetizing.

Play one hand against the other.
2012-12-09 12:28:33 AM
2 votes:
When the government fears the people, you have liberty.

iaazathot: Wow, can we do this to Congress?


We could, but SWAT and the National Guard would start mowing people down like wheat. And then the protestors would be portrayed as worthless hippie welfare leeches, enough people would believe it, and nothing would come of it.
2012-12-08 11:28:10 PM
2 votes:
Wow, common sense broke out. Good news. Hopefully.
2012-12-09 11:55:02 AM
1 votes:

sevenpointsixtwo: He'll catch on eventually, and simply follow the Americans' lead by expanding his power buy burying legislation in other unrelated bills. Expect him to soon pass the Either You Vote For This and Are a Patriot or You Don't and Are a Terrorist Baby Killing Monster bill.


Dude, spare the theatrics. The current protests there are over whether the president can unilaterally throw out decisions by the high court. That is ridiculously far from where the US operates no matter how much hysteria you try to inject into it.
2012-12-09 10:11:41 AM
1 votes:

randomjsa: And unless you remove the Muslim Brotherhood completely from power, this is nothing but a minor set back for them.


Ah thank god for Randonjassa, with his direct line to Coulters and Becks assholes.

Heehaw Randomjassa heehaw
2012-12-09 02:30:50 AM
1 votes:
Morsi played his hand far too early, doing too much too quickly and expecting to get results.
2012-12-09 01:51:01 AM
1 votes:

LordJiro: MyRandomName: Notabunny: StreetlightInTheGhetto: And only 7 people died. Some kind of progress.

Rincewind53: Wow. He blinked. I didn't think he would.

I did at first - thought it might take some time but that he would have to - but had kind of started to doubt.

I didn't think he would blink, recalculated in light of popular sentiment, factored in some Clinton behind-the-scenes badassery, left bank, corner pocket

Remember folks. Anytime something good happens, a democrat deserves credit. You didn't build those protests in Egypt, Clinton did.

What a joke you are.

Yeah, you know the rules. Anything good happens, either a Republican did it or we had nothing to do with it. But if ANYTHING bad happens, it's all Obama's fault!


Meanwhile the rest of the world says neither of you tards had anything to do with it, but have fun licking your own balls.
2012-12-09 01:40:01 AM
1 votes:

meyerkev: Cuchulane: I can see why Morsi turned around out of fear of the crowd, if he doesn't have the support of the military. I'm trying to figure out why the military tolerates these protests. What's their end game?

Kingmakers/Praetorian guard. The military is the de facto power, and has provided the last 3 presidents.

I've also heard that the military is divided between the old and new guard. (Which can largely be defined by whether they fought in the Six Days War and October War or not and their resulting attitude towards Israel ["Oh hell no, we're not doing that again. I don't care if they're Zionist Oppressors"/"Death to the Zionist Oppressors"]). So the old guard wants another Mubarak (military, semi-secular, reasonably friendly to the West, not going to war with Israel), and the partially-Islamist new guard wants a Morsi or similar who they then control. Dunno how true that is though


The military also openly controls/owns most of the industry and infrastructure in the nation. It is in their best interest not to be seen as full time oppressors nor to cede control to any government.
2012-12-09 01:30:54 AM
1 votes:
The folly of President-elect Morsi
Was thinking he'd govern by force,see
But further reflection,
About his selection,
Led to this: Uhhh....That's gonna cost me!
2012-12-09 01:19:08 AM
1 votes:

Amos Quito: or we shall destroy ourselves


like ric romero of the 5th century BC. this is exactly what is going to happen. maybe not this generations day. it is inevitable .
2012-12-09 12:26:01 AM
1 votes:

meyerkev: Cuchulane: I can see why Morsi turned around out of fear of the crowd, if he doesn't have the support of the military. I'm trying to figure out why the military tolerates these protests. What's their end game?

Kingmakers/Praetorian guard. The military is the de facto power, and has provided the last 3 presidents.

I've also heard that the military is divided between the old and new guard. (Which can largely be defined by whether they fought in the Six Days War and October War or not and their resulting attitude towards Israel ["Oh hell no, we're not doing that again. I don't care if they're Zionist Oppressors"/"Death to the Zionist Oppressors"]). So the old guard wants another Mubarak (military, semi-secular, reasonably friendly to the West, not going to war with Israel), and the partially-Islamist new guard wants a Morsi or similar who they then control. Dunno how true that is though


Yup. And if the figurehead gets too far out of line, I'm sure the Egyptian military still has a healthy supply of grenades on hand.
2012-12-09 12:18:54 AM
1 votes:

Cuchulane: I can see why Morsi turned around out of fear of the crowd, if he doesn't have the support of the military. I'm trying to figure out why the military tolerates these protests. What's their end game?


Kingmakers/Praetorian guard. The military is the de facto power, and has provided the last 3 presidents.

I've also heard that the military is divided between the old and new guard. (Which can largely be defined by whether they fought in the Six Days War and October War or not and their resulting attitude towards Israel ["Oh hell no, we're not doing that again. I don't care if they're Zionist Oppressors"/"Death to the Zionist Oppressors"]). So the old guard wants another Mubarak (military, semi-secular, reasonably friendly to the West, not going to war with Israel), and the partially-Islamist new guard wants a Morsi or similar who they then control. Dunno how true that is though
2012-12-09 12:02:22 AM
1 votes:
Egyptian military to Morsi -- "We knew Gamel Abdel Nasser and you're not Gamel Abdel Nasser."
2012-12-08 11:58:58 PM
1 votes:
Pharoh has decreed that some power will devolve to the priests.
2012-12-08 11:56:00 PM
1 votes:
Sounds like they need a Gray Council.
2012-12-08 11:47:05 PM
1 votes:

megarian: Spiralmonkey: I read that headline as Morrisey - still made sense.

Glad it wasn't just me.


Cairo in a coma I know, I know it's serious...
2012-12-08 11:37:53 PM
1 votes:
I KEED, I KEED. YOU NOT KILL ME NOW.

KEEDING ONLY.
2012-12-08 11:35:12 PM
1 votes:

StreetlightInTheGhetto: And only 7 people died. Some kind of progress.

Rincewind53: Wow. He blinked. I didn't think he would.

I did at first - thought it might take some time but that he would have to - but had kind of started to doubt.


I didn't think he would blink, recalculated in light of popular sentiment, factored in some Clinton behind-the-scenes badassery, left bank, corner pocket
2012-12-08 11:33:22 PM
1 votes:
Now make him sign the Magna Carta.
2012-12-08 11:26:28 PM
1 votes:
Especially after finding out that all the people want to get jihad on his ass.
2012-12-08 11:23:53 PM
1 votes:

themindiswatching: Rincewind53: Wow. He blinked. I didn't think he would.

He probably saw the news that the military might step in and panicked.


Pretty sure he doesn't get his info from the news. I'm guessing a general called him and said to cut that shait out.
 
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