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(Chicago Sun-Times)   High school principal shocked to learn that his school's decision to allow students to use cell phones, tablets, and other electronic devices lead to a "significant cheating scandal"   ( suntimes.com) divider line
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2012-12-09 01:49:00 PM  
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The caveat to my statement is that if you don't happen to memorize the formulas in the process of learning to be an engineer you probably are cheating and will be a poor engineer.

The memorization is a byproduct of doing the work. So I guess if you are teaching to memorize you are also doing it wrong.
2012-12-09 09:58:32 AM  
1 vote:
Warning: CSB coming.

I teach music as a sideline, (starting back after several years off) and play for my own enjoyment. I've done guitar about 40 years give or take. I went over to a friend's house (he's about 35) because he and his friends have a band, and they invited me to sit in on a practice. I offered to teach them a few songs that I thought they might enjoy doing. They said fine, so I started to tell the guitar player what to play. I had to stop when he said he never bothered to learn where all the notes and chords were on the instrument. He had so far just tried to mimic what he heard on a recording. He couldn't read a chart or anything like that, and it was clear he was cool with that. I understand he's free to make that choice, but what struck me as sad is that he obviously had been playing for a long time but was never going to understand what it was he was doing and he was never going to be able to perform anything with complexity in the song structure.

A diploma doesn't mean anything if you don't have the education that it says you do. Sooner or later, (and usually sooner) that dog's going to turn on you and bite down hard. If you think cheating your way through school is smart, I'm afraid you're mistaken. The idea is not just to get the correct answer; but to know why the correct answer is correct. That may sound like a distinction without a difference, but it's not. .  Cheating hurts everybody. It hurts you, because you short change yourself. It hurts the person you displace for an opportunity, and it often results in your commiting acts of jactitation.
HBK
2012-12-09 02:20:38 AM  
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Gyrfalcon: Here's an idea: Stop putting so much emphasis on the end results and more on the process, and kids will stop NEEDING to cheat. That is, stop telling them "If you don't get into college/get straight A's/get a perfect SAT score/make it into Harvard Law" your life will be over and you'll end up flipping burgers."

Kids haven't suddenly gotten less "integrity" than they used to have; they know perfectly well cheating is wrong, otherwise, why would they spend so much time HIDING how much they cheat? They know it's bad. Most of them even know why it's bad. But if ONLY the top X percent get into the best colleges and everyone else is de facto worthless, what other choice do they have? If ONLY the top-scoring students get the scholarships and everyone else has to plan on decades of crippling debt to pay for a degree, what choice do they have? In the society we've made where everyone has to have at least a four-year degree if they hope to have a decent living, and everyone who is anyone MUST go to college, then kids will do whatever they have to do to get into college and stay there.

This is America, after all. We don't give awards for second place. Or for trying your hardest. We only give accolades to winners.


I think it's more of an issue that cheating is easier than studying.
2012-12-09 02:16:41 AM  
1 vote:
Here's an idea: Stop putting so much emphasis on the end results and more on the process, and kids will stop NEEDING to cheat. That is, stop telling them "If you don't get into college/get straight A's/get a perfect SAT score/make it into Harvard Law" your life will be over and you'll end up flipping burgers."

Kids haven't suddenly gotten less "integrity" than they used to have; they know perfectly well cheating is wrong, otherwise, why would they spend so much time HIDING how much they cheat? They know it's bad. Most of them even know why it's bad. But if ONLY the top X percent get into the best colleges and everyone else is de facto worthless, what other choice do they have? If ONLY the top-scoring students get the scholarships and everyone else has to plan on decades of crippling debt to pay for a degree, what choice do they have? In the society we've made where everyone has to have at least a four-year degree if they hope to have a decent living, and everyone who is anyone MUST go to college, then kids will do whatever they have to do to get into college and stay there.

This is America, after all. We don't give awards for second place. Or for trying your hardest. We only give accolades to winners.
2012-12-09 12:57:06 AM  
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DarthBart: I still don't see how some schools offer it as a semester long course.


Well, it would be nice if schools would teach useful skills in driver's ed like, here's how to put coolant in a tank, check your oil levels, jump a car, and fix a flat. It's amazing how many people can't do those things.
2012-12-09 12:56:23 AM  
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I graduated high school in 2010. You would not believe the amount of cheating that goes on in schools today. No one does anything about it because the administration is terrified of being sued.

Don't sweat it though; it's a self correcting problem. The ones that cheated their way through high school usually flunk out after the second semester of college. The cheaters aren't prepared for the work load that a university requires.

There were more than 30 people from my school that enrolled the same semester as I did. Now, four remain. [/CSB] 

/Did I ever cheat?
//Better hope not.
///I'm in the engineering program.
2012-12-09 12:54:47 AM  
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Duck_of_Doom:
We just busted 4 kids for cheating and plagiarizing their driver's ed essays.


Erm... is there something wrong with plagiarizing a driver's ed essay? Give the kids some credit for not wasting their time on such a bullshiat assignment.

An essay? For driver's ed?
2012-12-09 12:41:51 AM  
1 vote:

Curious: getting caught cheating is dumb enough but add in the drug stuff and these kids are hosed. you know the cops are going to be on them like white on rice for the pictures.


It's illegal to have pictures of controlled substances?

www.michaelshouse.com

Now everyone in this thread can get busted!
2012-12-09 12:31:57 AM  
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Linkster: The point is to GET the correct Answer, and be able to replicate it, NOT Memorize every farking thing.


"Never memorize something that you can look up." - Einstein
2012-12-09 12:02:44 AM  
1 vote:
The teacher lamented the cheating made the Bring Your Own Device program "look like the stupidest idea ever," the article stated.

Ya THINK?

What's the point of allowing them to use the devices if it's NOT to help them find answers??
2012-12-08 11:33:17 PM  
1 vote:
Widespread cheating occurring in an environment where students are allowed to use Internet-accessible devices to search for answers? NO WAY.
 
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