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(Chicago Sun-Times)   High school principal shocked to learn that his school's decision to allow students to use cell phones, tablets, and other electronic devices lead to a "significant cheating scandal"   (suntimes.com) divider line 76
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2012-12-08 11:33:17 PM
Widespread cheating occurring in an environment where students are allowed to use Internet-accessible devices to search for answers? NO WAY.
 
2012-12-09 12:02:44 AM
The teacher lamented the cheating made the Bring Your Own Device program "look like the stupidest idea ever," the article stated.

Ya THINK?

What's the point of allowing them to use the devices if it's NOT to help them find answers??
 
2012-12-09 12:25:55 AM
I read the school mascot is the Cheetah

/wicked awesome mascot
 
2012-12-09 12:28:40 AM

fusillade762: The teacher lamented the cheating made the Bring Your Own Device program "look like the stupidest idea ever," the article stated.

Ya THINK?

What's the point of allowing them to use the devices if it's NOT to help them find answers??


Even better, take a picture of the test and text it to your friends.
 
2012-12-09 12:29:16 AM

fusillade762: The teacher lamented the cheating made the Bring Your Own Device program "look like the stupidest idea ever," the article stated.

Ya THINK?

What's the point of allowing them to use the devices if it's NOT to help them find answers??


^^^^^^^^^
this
 
2012-12-09 12:29:25 AM
The point is to GET the correct Answer, and be able to replicate it, NOT Memorize every farking thing.
 
2012-12-09 12:31:57 AM

Linkster: The point is to GET the correct Answer, and be able to replicate it, NOT Memorize every farking thing.


"Never memorize something that you can look up." - Einstein
 
2012-12-09 12:33:37 AM

fusillade762: The teacher lamented the cheating made the Bring Your Own Device program "look like the stupidest idea ever," the article stated.

Ya THINK?

What's the point of allowing them to use the devices if it's NOT to help them find answers??


Searching for black midget BBW horsecack tranny porn?
 
2012-12-09 12:33:47 AM
getting caught cheating is dumb enough but add in the drug stuff and these kids are hosed. you know the cops are going to be on them like white on rice for the pictures.
 
2012-12-09 12:37:19 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: fusillade762: The teacher lamented the cheating made the Bring Your Own Device program "look like the stupidest idea ever," the article stated.

Ya THINK?

What's the point of allowing them to use the devices if it's NOT to help them find answers??

Searching for black midget BBW horsecack tranny porn?


fat horses?
 
2012-12-09 12:38:56 AM
www.demotivation.us
 
2012-12-09 12:41:25 AM
I remember back in my high school you could get suspended if you were caught with a cheat sheet.

First class at the community college Psych 101: How to study. Step 4: make a cheat sheet.
 
2012-12-09 12:41:51 AM

Curious: getting caught cheating is dumb enough but add in the drug stuff and these kids are hosed. you know the cops are going to be on them like white on rice for the pictures.


It's illegal to have pictures of controlled substances?

www.michaelshouse.com

Now everyone in this thread can get busted!
 
HBK
2012-12-09 12:45:03 AM

wildcardjack: I remember back in my high school you could get suspended if you were caught with a cheat sheet.

First class at the community college Psych 101: How to study. Step 4: make a cheat sheet.



It's pretty good advice. It helps you recognize the important parts of the class that will likely be on the exam, especially the parts you do not know. Me, I do the same but with flashcards, I make flash cards with a topic or formula, and sit down and make lists of information based on the flashcard. It works really well.
 
2012-12-09 12:46:33 AM

Linkster: The point is to GET the correct Answer, and be able to replicate it, NOT Memorize every farking thing.


There is a difference between getting the answers from the web and passing off someone else's work as your own. Cut and paste from web or wiki, text the questions to friends and have them put the answers on their device, have one person write an essay and forward it to everyone. Cheaters have it so easy these days.

We just busted 4 kids for cheating and plagiarizing their driver's ed essays. 3 kids with the same essay and citations word for word, and 1 who copypasta'd something from the web that had fark all to do with the question. For a non-credit afterschool course, the kids now have marks on their academic records.
 
2012-12-09 12:48:20 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Linkster: The point is to GET the correct Answer, and be able to replicate it, NOT Memorize every farking thing.

"Never memorize something that you can look up." - Einstein


Also every engineer
 
2012-12-09 12:50:10 AM

Duck_of_Doom: There is a difference between getting the answers from the web and passing off someone else's work as your own. Cut and paste from web or wiki, text the questions to friends and have them put the answers on their device, have one person write an essay and forward it to everyone. Cheaters have it so easy these days.


That's why you need the right questions that don't have one right answer if you're going to open it up to digital devices. With all the stuff smart phones and tablets and stuff can do, it's basically a time restricted take home exam.
 
2012-12-09 12:54:47 AM

Duck_of_Doom:
We just busted 4 kids for cheating and plagiarizing their driver's ed essays.


Erm... is there something wrong with plagiarizing a driver's ed essay? Give the kids some credit for not wasting their time on such a bullshiat assignment.

An essay? For driver's ed?
 
2012-12-09 12:55:40 AM

12349876: That's why you need the right questions that don't have one right answer if you're going to open it up to digital devices. With all the stuff smart phones and tablets and stuff can do, it's basically a time restricted take home exam.


In the modern age, being able to evaluate the credibility of a source, locate several, and then synthesize them into a coherent answer, and do it all in a reasonable amount of time is a much more useful skill than being able to parrot responses from a history textbook anyway.
 
2012-12-09 12:55:41 AM

Duck_of_Doom: Linkster: The point is to GET the correct Answer, and be able to replicate it, NOT Memorize every farking thing.

There is a difference between getting the answers from the web and passing off someone else's work as your own. Cut and paste from web or wiki, text the questions to friends and have them put the answers on their device, have one person write an essay and forward it to everyone. Cheaters have it so easy these days.

We just busted 4 kids for cheating and plagiarizing their driver's ed essays. 3 kids with the same essay and citations word for word, and 1 who copypasta'd something from the web that had fark all to do with the question. For a non-credit afterschool course, the kids now have marks on their academic records.


Driver's Ed essays? WTF?

What else is needed besides "Green light go, yellow light go faster"?

I still don't see how some schools offer it as a semester long course.
 
2012-12-09 12:56:23 AM
I graduated high school in 2010. You would not believe the amount of cheating that goes on in schools today. No one does anything about it because the administration is terrified of being sued.

Don't sweat it though; it's a self correcting problem. The ones that cheated their way through high school usually flunk out after the second semester of college. The cheaters aren't prepared for the work load that a university requires.

There were more than 30 people from my school that enrolled the same semester as I did. Now, four remain. [/CSB] 

/Did I ever cheat?
//Better hope not.
///I'm in the engineering program.
 
2012-12-09 12:56:40 AM

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Linkster: The point is to GET the correct Answer, and be able to replicate it, NOT Memorize every farking thing.

"Never memorize something that you can look up." - Einstein

Also every engineer


To be fair, we memorize formulae. We just don't memorize constants.

//Actually was trying to ballpark something the other day and it took me 15 minutes to remember the gas constant.
 
2012-12-09 12:57:06 AM

DarthBart: I still don't see how some schools offer it as a semester long course.


Well, it would be nice if schools would teach useful skills in driver's ed like, here's how to put coolant in a tank, check your oil levels, jump a car, and fix a flat. It's amazing how many people can't do those things.
 
2012-12-09 01:00:34 AM

12349876: Duck_of_Doom: There is a difference between getting the answers from the web and passing off someone else's work as your own. Cut and paste from web or wiki, text the questions to friends and have them put the answers on their device, have one person write an essay and forward it to everyone. Cheaters have it so easy these days.

That's why you need the right questions that don't have one right answer if you're going to open it up to digital devices. With all the stuff smart phones and tablets and stuff can do, it's basically a time restricted take home exam.


Yup. I teach a community college Linux course, and I have one hands on exam (only "internal to the computer" stuff allowed for help - man pages, etc), and 4 at home open everything exams, all total worth 30% of the grade. Everything else comes from labs, 3 unit projects, and a final project. And, even with open resources for the at-home exams, they still have to know their stuff - only a few multiple choice/fill in the blank questions, and then 5 or 6 short essay (4-5 sentences) questions.
 
2012-12-09 01:02:13 AM
Not going to lie.... if I was in school today, I would have hacked myself together a stealth device to cheat all day. fark cell phones, im talking wrist watch answers or sewn-inside-my-hoodie system or something.

farking technology.
 
2012-12-09 01:03:52 AM
weknowmemes.com
 
2012-12-09 01:06:13 AM
It is better to be honest and fall short of a goal than to take an unethical shortcut and reach a goal. The end is not more important than the path taken to reach the end."

Looks like someone who has never worked in management.
 
2012-12-09 01:13:05 AM

superdude72: Erm... is there something wrong with plagiarizing a driver's ed essay? Give the kids some credit for not wasting their time on such a bullshiat assignment.

An essay? For driver's ed?


Without derailing the thread into a discussion of driver's ed, why bother with any bullshiat assignment? How many times have people written about The Great Gatsby, or American Revolution? Why not take your sibling's essay from 3 years ago, or get one from online? It's easier and less time-consuming to plug equations into a calculator, instead of figuring out how to solve for x. No one cares about sonnets or history or reading or geometry, and it's easier and less bullshiatty to get the answers for your biology exam delivered to you and pass with A's.

The point was more about plagiarism and cheating, and how ridiculously easy it is.

Yes, Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich, some driver's ed programs do teach that.
 
2012-12-09 01:13:45 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Linkster: The point is to GET the correct Answer, and be able to replicate it, NOT Memorize every farking thing.

"Never memorize something that you can look up." - Einstein


To be fair, most of my HS tests were majority memorization-based.

Now in college for engineering, not so much.

We actually *could* use electronic devices for engineering exams... in theory... we also had to sign at the top of each test "I have neither given nor received aid in this examination [your name, signed]". If you got caught once and were found guilty by a jury of peers, you got a warning. Second time found guilty you were kicked out IIRC. If you saw someone cheating and you didn't say anything you could be held liable as well. Instructors weren't allowed to be in the room for exams, although they usually were just outside the door or in their nearby office for anyone who had questions or was done with the test. Since, you know, in the Real World there wasn't gonna be a proctor standing guard over everything.

There was some grumbling from other students about that, but a (likely unscientific) study done by the student paper found that engineering students had the *lowest* amount of cheating.

I got to use my phone alarm clock when I had to retake a test (stupid narcolepsy). Just used the alarm to wake me up every 15 minutes, which it did twice in the hour and a half long exam. Still got second highest in the class, which probably wouldn't have happened if I had passed out 30 minutes in. Some people had earbuds/iPods during a few tests.... not bloody likely they were gonna get any help from that, so who cared.

Summer Glau's Love Slave: Don't sweat it though; it's a self correcting problem. The ones that cheated their way through high school usually flunk out after the second semester of college. The cheaters aren't prepared for the work load that a university requires.

There were more than 30 people from my school that enrolled the same semester as I did. Now, four remain. [/CSB]


I went to two high schools (math/science program and a normal high school). 4 people not including myself went to the same university from the 'normal' high school. Two dropped out (one mental health issues, one was in *way* over her head from the get-go probably from help in HS), one switched from engineering to communications (shocker, she often got help on math tests from what I heard), and one graduated with Engineering Mathematics degree (he was legit).

Twenty-something of us from the math/science school went to my university. One person dropped out (mainly out of laziness combined with personal drama taking over). Funny thing about that, when there are only 72 of you in a class, and no more than 24 in a specific class each period, it really doesn't lend itself to cheating much.

I know they filter out *eventually*, but damn if it didn't take forever for the two often-cheating girls from my 'normal' HS to GTFO of the engineering program.
 
2012-12-09 01:24:00 AM

DarthBart: Duck_of_Doom: Linkster: The point is to GET the correct Answer, and be able to replicate it, NOT Memorize every farking thing.

There is a difference between getting the answers from the web and passing off someone else's work as your own. Cut and paste from web or wiki, text the questions to friends and have them put the answers on their device, have one person write an essay and forward it to everyone. Cheaters have it so easy these days.

We just busted 4 kids for cheating and plagiarizing their driver's ed essays. 3 kids with the same essay and citations word for word, and 1 who copypasta'd something from the web that had fark all to do with the question. For a non-credit afterschool course, the kids now have marks on their academic records.

Driver's Ed essays? WTF?

What else is needed besides "Green light go, yellow light go faster"?

I still don't see how some schools offer it as a semester long course.


Christ, I wish it were an actual semester long course around here. I've never been in an at-fault, nor even an avoidable, accident. The wifey thinks I drive like a grandpa, but I've only ever been backed into by teens not knowing to stay on the clutch AND brake, and driven on top of an Escort trying to pass on the right during a turn. Thousands of times I've avoided an accident by defensive driving, while she'shiat 3 deer, and driven up onto a concrete sign base because "she couldn't see where she was going because of the sun". Glad it wasn't a kid...

This isn't a surprise. Kids today have no concept of integrity. In HS, we had open note and book tests in American Gov't, and 100% free fark-off/do whatever you want time afterward. 90% of us studied, rather than basically cheat. What we didn't know was that, at the end of the year, the open notes/books tests got 25% off their grades. The teacher explained it as being a lesson in striving to succeed vs. trying to skate by and reaping the consequences.
 
2012-12-09 01:25:42 AM

brobinson2001: DarthBart: Duck_of_Doom: Linkster: The point is to GET the correct Answer, and be able to replicate it, NOT Memorize every farking thing.

There is a difference between getting the answers from the web and passing off someone else's work as your own. Cut and paste from web or wiki, text the questions to friends and have them put the answers on their device, have one person write an essay and forward it to everyone. Cheaters have it so easy these days.

We just busted 4 kids for cheating and plagiarizing their driver's ed essays. 3 kids with the same essay and citations word for word, and 1 who copypasta'd something from the web that had fark all to do with the question. For a non-credit afterschool course, the kids now have marks on their academic records.

Driver's Ed essays? WTF?

What else is needed besides "Green light go, yellow light go faster"?

I still don't see how some schools offer it as a semester long course.

Christ, I wish it were an actual semester long course around here. I've never been in an at-fault, nor even an avoidable, accident. The wifey thinks I drive like a grandpa, but I've only ever been backed into by teens not knowing to stay on the clutch AND brake, and driven on top of an Escort trying to pass on the right during a turn. Thousands of times I've avoided an accident by defensive driving, while she'shiat 3 deer, and driven up onto a concrete sign base because "she couldn't see where she was going because of the sun". Glad it wasn't a kid...

This isn't a surprise. Kids today have no concept of integrity. In HS, we had open note and book tests in American Gov't, and 100% free fark-off/do whatever you want time afterward. 90% of us studied, rather than basically cheat. What we didn't know was that, at the end of the year, the open notes/books tests got 25% off their grades. The teacher explained it as being a lesson in striving to succeed vs. trying to skate by and reaping the consequences.


Wow. *She'shiat... not she shiat. Gotta use the preview more.
 
2012-12-09 01:27:42 AM
WTF is going on with my formatting??

She has hit. Jesus.
 
2012-12-09 01:31:07 AM

brobinson2001: WTF is going on with my formatting??

She has hit. Jesus.


Meet our friend the Filter.
 
HBK
2012-12-09 01:32:05 AM

brobinson2001: WTF is going on with my formatting??

She has hit. Jesus.


It's the filter. For example:

the S word is filtered to shiat

the F word is filtered to fark

and your social security number is filtered to ***-**-****.

Try it.
 
2012-12-09 01:36:55 AM

fisker: [weknowmemes.com image 380x807]


Well...just sent that out to the entire faculty of the high school I teach at...despite the apparent misspelling. Funny as hell.
 
2012-12-09 01:43:54 AM
I goit a hot tip for you , you likely only caught the tip of the ice berg.
 
2012-12-09 01:49:49 AM
854-65-3508
 
HBK
2012-12-09 01:52:21 AM

thisiszombocom: 854-65-3508


That must not be your real social security number, because otherwise the filter would have obscured it.
 
2012-12-09 01:57:29 AM
I say let the little biatches cheat. Let's see how far that takes them. One day they will actually need to know something.
 
2012-12-09 02:00:21 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: DarthBart: I still don't see how some schools offer it as a semester long course.

Well, it would be nice if schools would teach useful skills in driver's ed like, here's how to put coolant in a tank, check your oil levels, jump a car, and fix a flat. It's amazing how many people can't do those things.


Drivers ed or not, my daughter will not be allowed on the road until she can do those things. Fortunately, I still have another 6 years till I have to worry about it.

And if I have my way, she will learn to drive a manual.
 
2012-12-09 02:08:10 AM

thisiszombocom: 854-65-3508


And you're Bankrupt!
 
2012-12-09 02:09:52 AM

brobinson2001: DarthBart: Duck_of_Doom: Linkster: The point is to GET the correct Answer, and be able to replicate it, NOT Memorize every farking thing.

There is a difference between getting the answers from the web and passing off someone else's work as your own. Cut and paste from web or wiki, text the questions to friends and have them put the answers on their device, have one person write an essay and forward it to everyone. Cheaters have it so easy these days.

We just busted 4 kids for cheating and plagiarizing their driver's ed essays. 3 kids with the same essay and citations word for word, and 1 who copypasta'd something from the web that had fark all to do with the question. For a non-credit afterschool course, the kids now have marks on their academic records.

Driver's Ed essays? WTF?

What else is needed besides "Green light go, yellow light go faster"?

I still don't see how some schools offer it as a semester long course.

Christ, I wish it were an actual semester long course around here. I've never been in an at-fault, nor even an avoidable, accident. The wifey thinks I drive like a grandpa, but I've only ever been backed into by teens not knowing to stay on the clutch AND brake, and driven on top of an Escort trying to pass on the right during a turn. Thousands of times I've avoided an accident by defensive driving, while she'shiat 3 deer, and driven up onto a concrete sign base because "she couldn't see where she was going because of the sun". Glad it wasn't a kid...

This isn't a surprise. Kids today have no concept of integrity. In HS, we had open note and book tests in American Gov't, and 100% free fark-off/do whatever you want time afterward. 90% of us studied, rather than basically cheat. What we didn't know was that, at the end of the year, the open notes/books tests got 25% off their grades. The teacher explained it as being a lesson in striving to succeed vs. trying to skate by and reaping the consequences.


My high school class was a semester of classwork, including the written test to get my learner's permit, I think I got behind the wheel half a dozen times during the summer driving portion, and then when I went to go get my license, I didn't even have to take a driving test. I walked in, handed them my learner's permit and the paperwork from the driving portion, they said 'smile!' and handed me a license.

I too have avoided accidents by always assuming the other guy is a fraking moron. I repeatedly get honked at at lights here, but I always pause for at least a second or two after the light has turned green because there's always at least 2 or 3 cars still going through the intersection.
 
2012-12-09 02:14:40 AM
Was he surprised that his students didn't know the past tense of "to lead?"
 
2012-12-09 02:16:41 AM
Here's an idea: Stop putting so much emphasis on the end results and more on the process, and kids will stop NEEDING to cheat. That is, stop telling them "If you don't get into college/get straight A's/get a perfect SAT score/make it into Harvard Law" your life will be over and you'll end up flipping burgers."

Kids haven't suddenly gotten less "integrity" than they used to have; they know perfectly well cheating is wrong, otherwise, why would they spend so much time HIDING how much they cheat? They know it's bad. Most of them even know why it's bad. But if ONLY the top X percent get into the best colleges and everyone else is de facto worthless, what other choice do they have? If ONLY the top-scoring students get the scholarships and everyone else has to plan on decades of crippling debt to pay for a degree, what choice do they have? In the society we've made where everyone has to have at least a four-year degree if they hope to have a decent living, and everyone who is anyone MUST go to college, then kids will do whatever they have to do to get into college and stay there.

This is America, after all. We don't give awards for second place. Or for trying your hardest. We only give accolades to winners.
 
HBK
2012-12-09 02:20:38 AM

Gyrfalcon: Here's an idea: Stop putting so much emphasis on the end results and more on the process, and kids will stop NEEDING to cheat. That is, stop telling them "If you don't get into college/get straight A's/get a perfect SAT score/make it into Harvard Law" your life will be over and you'll end up flipping burgers."

Kids haven't suddenly gotten less "integrity" than they used to have; they know perfectly well cheating is wrong, otherwise, why would they spend so much time HIDING how much they cheat? They know it's bad. Most of them even know why it's bad. But if ONLY the top X percent get into the best colleges and everyone else is de facto worthless, what other choice do they have? If ONLY the top-scoring students get the scholarships and everyone else has to plan on decades of crippling debt to pay for a degree, what choice do they have? In the society we've made where everyone has to have at least a four-year degree if they hope to have a decent living, and everyone who is anyone MUST go to college, then kids will do whatever they have to do to get into college and stay there.

This is America, after all. We don't give awards for second place. Or for trying your hardest. We only give accolades to winners.


I think it's more of an issue that cheating is easier than studying.
 
2012-12-09 02:30:43 AM
lol public schooling
 
2012-12-09 03:30:13 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: fusillade762: The teacher lamented the cheating made the Bring Your Own Device program "look like the stupidest idea ever," the article stated.

Ya THINK?

What's the point of allowing them to use the devices if it's NOT to help them find answers??

Searching for black midget BBW horsecack tranny porn?


It's gonna take at least a Russian yogurt dance movie to really offend anyone these days, and there's only three of those that've ever been made.
 
2012-12-09 04:07:07 AM

Duck_of_Doom:

Without derailing the thread into a discussion of driver's ed, why bother with any bullshiat assignment? How many times have people written about The Great Gatsby, or American Revolution? Why not take your sibling's essay from 3 years ago, or get one from online? It's easier and less time-consuming to plug equations into a calculator, instead of figuring out how to solve for x. No one cares about sonnets or history or reading or geometry, and it's easier and less bullshiatty to get the answers for your biology exam delivered to you and pass with A's.


If you think all that stuff is bullshiat, I feel sorry for you. Writing an essay for driver's ed, however, is just busywork. Learning to avoid wasting time just to satisfy some control freak of an authority figure is a valuable life skill.
 
2012-12-09 04:25:25 AM
When I would notice people cheating in high school I always thought less of them.
Not because they were doing something dishonest but because they were too stupid to just study and get a good grade.
 
2012-12-09 04:50:10 AM

varmitydog: When I would notice people cheating in high school I always thought less of them.
Not because they were doing something dishonest but because they were too stupid to just study and get a good grade.


That's a whole train-wreck of logical fail. I'm not even sure how to respond.
 
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