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2012-12-08 03:27:33 PM  
5 votes:
Is Bob Costas now going to tell us how we need car control and that young men in the NFL should not have access to cars?
2012-12-08 04:03:46 PM  
3 votes:

Adolf Oliver Nipples: dlp211: rickythepenguin: jesus.

So is Bob Costas going to call for Prohibition?

Hey, remember when Bob Costas called for gun control, yea, neither do I. Words have meanings and a change of culture is not the same as instituting new laws.

That car culture, taking young men and women from us at more than twice the rate of guns. We need to recognize that vehicles do not need to be 4,000 pounds or have 400 horsepower, and that dubs actually make cars more dangerous. Put one in the hands of a drunk and mayhem ensues. One thing is certain, Brown would be alive today if Brent hadn't had access to a car.

Yeah, it does sound pretty stupid, doesn't it? But hey, at least it wasn't a gun that killed him, because while he would be just as dead one is much worse than the other.


Well, one is literally a killing machine that these days is at best a hobby item, while the other is a tansportation device that is pragmatically necessary for the functioning of modern society. It's also harder to get (legal) access to a car than it is a gun in many places. Good argument, bro.
2012-12-08 03:53:51 PM  
3 votes:

poisonedpawn78: Whos dumber.. the guy who drinks and drives or the friend that lets him AND gets into the same car.

Both of them were idiots and dont even TRY to claim this was a tragedy.


They were college teammates, and the dead guy apparently was about to become a father.

A guy is gonna have to go through life knowing he killed his best friend, and made his best friend's child grow up without a father. I'd say that this whole situation is pretty tragic.
2012-12-08 03:25:21 PM  
3 votes:
The guy is an idiot. Anyone who drives drunk is, no matter their profession.
2012-12-08 04:34:44 PM  
2 votes:

JoshTheTech: On the plus side a couple of roster spots just opened up. Unfortunately Jerry Jones will be filling them so there will still be no improvement. Be warned NFC East- the higher the arrest rate of them Cowboys the better they play- just ask Michael Irvin.

/go Giants


You're a farking tool.


Adolf Oliver Nipples: Neither of those are true. See: New York City, Chicago, etc. I myself went an entire year without a driver's license in semi-rural Pennsylvania, with my legs, a bicycle, and a bus pass. As for ease of access, if you can't buy a car 15 minutes from now you're either extremely poor or you're doing it wrong. Harder my ass.


Public transportation in DFW doesn't exactly run out to the high end neighborhoods. This entire paragraph is irrelevant to the issue at hand.
2012-12-08 04:29:54 PM  
2 votes:

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Neither of those are true. See: New York City, Chicago, etc. I myself went an entire year without a driver's license in semi-rural Pennsylvania, with my legs, a bicycle, and a bus pass. As for ease of access, if you can't buy a car 15 minutes from now you're either extremely poor or you're doing it wrong. Harder my ass.


Well, good for you, I guess? Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal. And while many residents of cities can get by without cars, that certainly isn't all, and those that could require others to have cars to supply them, move them any long distance, etc. Basically, many people and many businesses simply could not function in a modern way without cars. If people couldn't own guns, modern life would change very little, for those of us that aren't backwoods NRA types. And while you could buy a car, you a) need a licence to use it, which requires a test of safety and competence in operating it, b) need to register it with the state, and c) have to carry liability insurance in case you screw up and hurt someone or damage their property. Many, if not most, states have weaker laws on the conditions necessary to own a gun. Link
2012-12-08 04:07:50 PM  
2 votes:

KiwDaWabbit: , but the best resolution is example setting and parenting in the formative years. Rest assured, people are gonna fark up sometimes whether or not they had the best parents ever, but that's where it all starts.


By a strange twist of fate, it's also the solution to Godel's 'head trauma' problem. Maybe if, instead of considering dumb-fark reactionary stuff like replacing kickoffs with 4-and-15 from your 25, we had a youth system that teaches the kids 'playing hard and stopping your opponent doesn't mean trying to plant him into the ground with every hit', the NFL wouldn't be staring down the nightmare of litigation they are.

Face it, rugby shows that you can still play hard, hit hard, and not give your opponent or yourself lasting brain trauma. Unless you count the binge drinking after the matches.

Which now leads us back to the original topic: drinking and driving is farked up and you're a moron if you do it. My sympathy's to the Cowyboys, their fans and and the family of the player killed.
2012-12-08 04:02:39 PM  
2 votes:

Warlordtrooper: KiwDaWabbit: dlp211: rickythepenguin: jesus.

So is Bob Costas going to call for Prohibition?

Hey, remember when Bob Costas called for gun control, yea, neither do I. Words have meanings and a change of culture is not the same as instituting new laws.

Right. Just about everything I have wanted to say has been said already. Drunk driving is culturally acceptable in this country across any demographic background. I think that most of us here think that this was thoughtless and needless, but it's also ingrained in our culture. Campaigns against it and stiffer penalties might put small dents in the problem, but the best resolution is example setting and parenting in the formative years. Rest assured, people are gonna fark up sometimes whether or not they had the best parents ever, but that's where it all starts.

Nobody condones drunk driving. We just realize there is a difference between going out and having a beer or 2 and driving drunk


That's not true. Anybody who supports zoning laws that put neighborhood bars out of business or keep them from opening, resulting in people having to drive to a place where they will consume alcohol and lose their judgment skills before they have to decide whether or not to drive home, is tacitly condoning drunk driving. People make all kinds of choices, some are more immediate than others, but there are causes all along the chain of events both intended and unintended.
2012-12-08 03:33:24 PM  
2 votes:

rickythepenguin: jesus.

So is Bob Costas going to call for Prohibition?


Hey, remember when Bob Costas called for gun control, yea, neither do I. Words have meanings and a change of culture is not the same as instituting new laws.
2012-12-09 12:55:44 PM  
1 votes:
People want to put pot smokers in jail for this same reason driving under the influence. I think it is high time to ban alcohol all together and put alcohol drinkers in jail also. Drinkers are nothing more than self-centered losers looking to escape reality, when they drink they think they are above the rest. Time to put them in jail and make our streets safe to drive on again. I guy would be alive today if alcohol had been kept illegal.
2012-12-09 02:56:40 AM  
1 votes:
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RIP Jerry Browne
2012-12-09 02:02:33 AM  
1 votes:

BoxOfBees: It's not legal to drive drunk, but it's also a very stupid personal choice to go out drinking with your friend and then get in his car as a passenger. How about make a plan to get home before you even go out? I don't always blame the victim, but when I do, I'm pretty sure he is owed a significant share of the blame.


I have a standing offer with my son: If he's had too much to drink or someone that drove him has had too much to drink....I'll pick him up, no questions asked.

My best friend's sister was killed by a drunk driver...it devastated him and his family. Ironically, he sought solace in the bottle and became an alcoholic (5 years sober now).
2012-12-08 09:56:39 PM  
1 votes:

IAmRight: R.A.Danny: That has nothing to do with anything really.

It has as much to do with anything as anything else in this retarded argument the gun nuts injected into the conversation.


Cars kill over 40,000 people a year. That's a huge number. People are obviously incapable of driving safely. We really need to put a stop to this.
2012-12-08 09:14:40 PM  
1 votes:

IAmRight: Guns have one reason for existing - to kill. But I suppose that's not a significant difference between them and cars or alcohol.


Cars do it a lot more effectively, and as for guns having only one reason to exist - That's just silly.
2012-12-08 09:14:02 PM  
1 votes:

IAmRight: Guns have one reason for existing - to kill. But I suppose that's not a significant difference between them and cars or alcohol.


Yeah it's not possible to use a gun without killing. Also sometimes things need killing. Alcohol exists solely for people to get inebriated. I've yet to hear a compelling reason why people need to be inebriated.
2012-12-08 07:07:32 PM  
1 votes:

Di Atribe: MoeSzyslak: Yeah no calls to ban anything there (hint: semi-automatics). No to mention the fact that Costas has no farking clue what he's talking about but then again neither do any of the gun grabber congress critters so why should he.

This isn't even about you or your pet issues that get you all outraged, but I can't think of a single reason that any of us need a semi-automatic weapon.

And ANOTHER THING. We don't know the details of this incident. We don't know how drunk he was. If he was flabbergasted drunk or was barely over the limit. The area where this occurred is heavily under construction, with traffic changes happening all the time. I'm not sure exactly where the incident occurred, though. The article I read said the posted speed limit was 45 mph & he was clearly driving far over the limit. We don't know whether either of them were wearing a seat belt either. There are a lot of questions & it happened less than 24 hours ago, so my assessment would be that none of us have enough information to be gettin all high & mighty.


Do you know what a semi-automatic weapon is? You're not one of those we should only be allowed muskets people, are you? Also alcohol only exists to get people drunk and I can't think of a single reason any of us need to be drunk. Remove alcohol from this equation and Jerry Brown would still be alive. Right?
2012-12-08 06:34:59 PM  
1 votes:

dlp211: rickythepenguin: jesus.

So is Bob Costas going to call for Prohibition?

Hey, remember when Bob Costas called for gun control, yea, neither do I. Words have meanings and a change of culture is not the same as instituting new laws.


"People should be able to own guns for their own protection. Obviously, those who are hunters," Costas added. "The access to guns is too easy in some cases. I don't see any reason why a citizen should be able to arm himself, as they can in some states and some cases, arm themselves in ways that only the police or the military should able to - to have a virtual militia purchased by mail order or purchased at gun shows. Why do you need a semi-automatic weapon? What possible use is there for a citizen to have a semi-automatic weapon?"

Yeah no calls to ban anything there (hint: semi-automatics). No to mention the fact that Costas has no farking clue what he's talking about but then again neither do any of the gun grabber congress critters so why should he.
2012-12-08 06:23:15 PM  
1 votes:
Millions of dollars a year. Entourages. People willing to do their bidding on demand...

AND NONE OF THESE ASSHOLES THINK TO HIRE A DRIVER
2012-12-08 04:54:18 PM  
1 votes:

you are a puppet: SilentStrider: you are a puppet: HaywoodJablonski: lordjupiter: So are there going to be hundreds of posts of tragedy-addicts arguing for the Cowboys to postpone or forfeit?

And we'll need a moment of silence for drunk drivers and their passengers

Does Leonard Little still play? Because if he's on the opposing team...that could be awkward.

No, Little retired in '09 I think.

Donte Stallworth is still in the NFL though.

I don't fully know the details in the Stallworth thing, but having seen people jaywalk in the dark and almost hit them soberly, I don't know that alcohol made a huge difference in that case.


Stallworth also manned right the fark up about the whole thing as well.
2012-12-08 04:07:33 PM  
1 votes:

neon_god: Adolf Oliver Nipples: dlp211: rickythepenguin: jesus.

So is Bob Costas going to call for Prohibition?

Hey, remember when Bob Costas called for gun control, yea, neither do I. Words have meanings and a change of culture is not the same as instituting new laws.

That car culture, taking young men and women from us at more than twice the rate of guns. We need to recognize that vehicles do not need to be 4,000 pounds or have 400 horsepower, and that dubs actually make cars more dangerous. Put one in the hands of a drunk and mayhem ensues. One thing is certain, Brown would be alive today if Brent hadn't had access to a car.

Yeah, it does sound pretty stupid, doesn't it? But hey, at least it wasn't a gun that killed him, because while he would be just as dead one is much worse than the other.

Well, one is literally a killing machine that these days is at best a hobby item, while the other is a tansportation device that is pragmatically necessary for the functioning of modern society. It's also harder to get (legal) access to a car than it is a gun in many places. Good argument, bro.


Neither of those are true. See: New York City, Chicago, etc. I myself went an entire year without a driver's license in semi-rural Pennsylvania, with my legs, a bicycle, and a bus pass. As for ease of access, if you can't buy a car 15 minutes from now you're either extremely poor or you're doing it wrong. Harder my ass.
2012-12-08 03:59:12 PM  
1 votes:

srhp29: NEDM: They were college teammates, and the dead guy apparently was about to become a father.

If only he could have somehow avoided getting into the car with a drunk driver.


I'm not saying that it wasn't stupid, just that it was tragic. If you don't have any sympathy for the dead, at least have some empathy for the ones they leave behind.
2012-12-08 03:57:39 PM  
1 votes:

SilentStrider: you are a puppet: HaywoodJablonski: lordjupiter: So are there going to be hundreds of posts of tragedy-addicts arguing for the Cowboys to postpone or forfeit?

And we'll need a moment of silence for drunk drivers and their passengers

Does Leonard Little still play? Because if he's on the opposing team...that could be awkward.

No, Little retired in '09 I think.

Donte Stallworth is still in the NFL though.


I don't fully know the details in the Stallworth thing, but having seen people jaywalk in the dark and almost hit them soberly, I don't know that alcohol made a huge difference in that case.
2012-12-08 03:56:02 PM  
1 votes:

Ed_Severson: becksellent: p the boiler: I missed the Browns one... What happened?

I don't remember all the details, but I think a groundskeeper committed suicide in one of the buildings or something. :(

But he wasn't very strong or fast and he didn't take anybody with him on his way out, so who cares about that one?


I thought you were gonna go all "but he was associated with the Browns, so..."

/kinda glad you didn't
//good point though, unfortunately :(
2012-12-08 03:53:03 PM  
1 votes:

becksellent: p the boiler: I missed the Browns one... What happened?

I don't remember all the details, but I think a groundskeeper committed suicide in one of the buildings or something. :(


Hung himself, I believe.
2012-12-08 03:52:04 PM  
1 votes:

lordjupiter: So are there going to be hundreds of posts of tragedy-addicts arguing for the Cowboys to postpone or forfeit?


srhp29: Are there going to be a rash of people calling for the postponement of the game again this week?


Are there going to be hundreds of people biatching about the hundreds of people who call for the postponement of a game?
2012-12-08 03:51:00 PM  
1 votes:

dlp211: rickythepenguin: jesus.

So is Bob Costas going to call for Prohibition?

Hey, remember when Bob Costas called for gun control, yea, neither do I. Words have meanings and a change of culture is not the same as instituting new laws.


That car culture, taking young men and women from us at more than twice the rate of guns. We need to recognize that vehicles do not need to be 4,000 pounds or have 400 horsepower, and that dubs actually make cars more dangerous. Put one in the hands of a drunk and mayhem ensues. One thing is certain, Brown would be alive today if Brent hadn't had access to a car.

Yeah, it does sound pretty stupid, doesn't it? But hey, at least it wasn't a gun that killed him, because while he would be just as dead one is much worse than the other.
2012-12-08 03:48:41 PM  
1 votes:
Memo to Professional Athletes:

Hire a goddamn driver and some goddamn bodyguards

/WTF do you need to drive drunk?
//WTF do you need to get into fights?
///seriously, these two points should be the whole first day of orientation
2012-12-08 03:45:12 PM  
1 votes:
WHY ISN'T THE NFL NETWORK CUTTING INTO THEIR PROGRAMMING AND FOCUSING ON THIS ISSUE?!?! WE COULD BE DEBATING IT AND LEARNING STUFFS!!!!
2012-12-08 03:38:22 PM  
1 votes:

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: Not really a surprise. It always amazes me how guys with that much money fail to call a cab or at least have a ride set up. It's pretty sad.


Yep. Compared to what he's going to have to pay just for bail, that 50 bucks for cab fare seems downright cheap.
2012-12-08 03:37:13 PM  
1 votes:

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: Not really a surprise. It always amazes me how guys with that much money fail to call a cab or at least have a ride set up. It's pretty sad.


All NFL players even have access to free car service at anytime and these idiots still don't use it.
2012-12-08 03:33:55 PM  
1 votes:

p the boiler: The guy is an idiot. Anyone who drives drunk is, no matter their profession.


Amen to that.
2012-12-08 03:26:49 PM  
1 votes:
Not really a surprise. It always amazes me how guys with that much money fail to call a cab or at least have a ride set up. It's pretty sad.
 
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