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2012-12-08 03:25:21 PM
The guy is an idiot. Anyone who drives drunk is, no matter their profession.
 
2012-12-08 03:26:21 PM
Better article http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/headlines/20121208-dal las-cowboy-dies-in-irving-car-crash-teammate-arrested-on-manslaughter- charges.ece

Guy was one of his teammates, "Jerry Brown, 25, is the person who died. Brown is listed as a linebacker on the team."
 
2012-12-08 03:26:26 PM
This has just been a real bad week for football teams and deaths.


Real REAL bad week for their victims.
 
2012-12-08 03:26:49 PM
Not really a surprise. It always amazes me how guys with that much money fail to call a cab or at least have a ride set up. It's pretty sad.
 
2012-12-08 03:27:33 PM
Is Bob Costas now going to tell us how we need car control and that young men in the NFL should not have access to cars?
 
2012-12-08 03:28:28 PM
jesus.

So is Bob Costas going to call for Prohibition?
 
2012-12-08 03:28:49 PM
This sucks. What a terrible situation.
 
2012-12-08 03:33:24 PM

rickythepenguin: jesus.

So is Bob Costas going to call for Prohibition?


Hey, remember when Bob Costas called for gun control, yea, neither do I. Words have meanings and a change of culture is not the same as instituting new laws.
 
2012-12-08 03:33:55 PM

p the boiler: The guy is an idiot. Anyone who drives drunk is, no matter their profession.


Amen to that.
 
2012-12-08 03:36:43 PM
Yikes.
 
2012-12-08 03:37:13 PM

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: Not really a surprise. It always amazes me how guys with that much money fail to call a cab or at least have a ride set up. It's pretty sad.


All NFL players even have access to free car service at anytime and these idiots still don't use it.
 
2012-12-08 03:37:17 PM
On the plus side a couple of roster spots just opened up. Unfortunately Jerry Jones will be filling them so there will still be no improvement. Be warned NFC East- the higher the arrest rate of them Cowboys the better they play- just ask Michael Irvin.

/go Giants
 
2012-12-08 03:38:22 PM

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: Not really a surprise. It always amazes me how guys with that much money fail to call a cab or at least have a ride set up. It's pretty sad.


Yep. Compared to what he's going to have to pay just for bail, that 50 bucks for cab fare seems downright cheap.
 
2012-12-08 03:38:38 PM

dlp211: remember when Bob Costas called for gun control


wasn't bob quoting from a jason whitlock article? he said he agreed with whitlock.
 
2012-12-08 03:38:42 PM
Whos dumber.. the guy who drinks and drives or the friend that lets him AND gets into the same car.

Both of them were idiots and dont even TRY to claim this was a tragedy.
 
2012-12-08 03:38:43 PM
So, how many games will Goodell suspend him?

/the dead player, I mean
 
2012-12-08 03:40:27 PM

dlp211: rickythepenguin: jesus.

So is Bob Costas going to call for Prohibition?

Hey, remember when Bob Costas called for gun control, yea, neither do I. Words have meanings and a change of culture is not the same as instituting new laws.


Right. Just about everything I have wanted to say has been said already. Drunk driving is culturally acceptable in this country across any demographic background. I think that most of us here think that this was thoughtless and needless, but it's also ingrained in our culture. Campaigns against it and stiffer penalties might put small dents in the problem, but the best resolution is example setting and parenting in the formative years. Rest assured, people are gonna fark up sometimes whether or not they had the best parents ever, but that's where it all starts.
 
2012-12-08 03:41:29 PM
phillyburbs.csnphilly.com
RIP Jerome Brown.
 
2012-12-08 03:43:23 PM

marius2: Better article http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/headlines/20121208-dal las-cowboy-dies-in-irving-car-crash-teammate-arrested-on-manslaughter- charges.ece

Guy was one of his teammates, "Jerry Brown, 25, is the person who died. Brown is listed as a linebacker on the team."


Chiefs-Browns-Cowboys.

The trifecta is now complete. :-(
 
2012-12-08 03:44:10 PM

OtherLittleGuy: So, how many games will Goodell suspend him?

/the dead player, I mean


I'm sure Jerry Jones is already putting the bribe together to keep Brent on the field for Sunday.
 
2012-12-08 03:45:12 PM
WHY ISN'T THE NFL NETWORK CUTTING INTO THEIR PROGRAMMING AND FOCUSING ON THIS ISSUE?!?! WE COULD BE DEBATING IT AND LEARNING STUFFS!!!!
 
2012-12-08 03:45:14 PM

TheOther: This has just been a real bad week for football teams and deaths.


Real REAL bad week for their victims linebackers.

 
2012-12-08 03:46:33 PM
So are there going to be hundreds of posts of tragedy-addicts arguing for the Cowboys to postpone or forfeit?
 
2012-12-08 03:48:14 PM
Are there going to be a rash of people calling for the postponement of the game again this week?
 
2012-12-08 03:48:18 PM

Captain Steroid: marius2: Better article http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/headlines/20121208-dal las-cowboy-dies-in-irving-car-crash-teammate-arrested-on-manslaughter- charges.ece

Guy was one of his teammates, "Jerry Brown, 25, is the person who died. Brown is listed as a linebacker on the team."

Chiefs-Browns-Cowboys.

The trifecta is now complete. :-(


I missed the Browns one... What happened?
 
2012-12-08 03:48:41 PM
Memo to Professional Athletes:

Hire a goddamn driver and some goddamn bodyguards

/WTF do you need to drive drunk?
//WTF do you need to get into fights?
///seriously, these two points should be the whole first day of orientation
 
2012-12-08 03:49:44 PM
Cripes. What a couple of weeks.
 
2012-12-08 03:50:12 PM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: dlp211: remember when Bob Costas called for gun control

wasn't bob quoting from a jason whitlock article? he said he agreed with whitlock.


Stone him.
 
2012-12-08 03:50:37 PM

lordjupiter: So are there going to be hundreds of posts of tragedy-addicts arguing for the Cowboys to postpone or forfeit?


And we'll need a moment of silence for drunk drivers and their passengers
 
2012-12-08 03:50:51 PM

p the boiler: I missed the Browns one... What happened?


I don't remember all the details, but I think a groundskeeper committed suicide in one of the buildings or something. :(
 
2012-12-08 03:51:00 PM

dlp211: rickythepenguin: jesus.

So is Bob Costas going to call for Prohibition?

Hey, remember when Bob Costas called for gun control, yea, neither do I. Words have meanings and a change of culture is not the same as instituting new laws.


That car culture, taking young men and women from us at more than twice the rate of guns. We need to recognize that vehicles do not need to be 4,000 pounds or have 400 horsepower, and that dubs actually make cars more dangerous. Put one in the hands of a drunk and mayhem ensues. One thing is certain, Brown would be alive today if Brent hadn't had access to a car.

Yeah, it does sound pretty stupid, doesn't it? But hey, at least it wasn't a gun that killed him, because while he would be just as dead one is much worse than the other.
 
2012-12-08 03:51:39 PM
I read somewhere else Brown was supposed to become a father very soon.
 
2012-12-08 03:52:04 PM

lordjupiter: So are there going to be hundreds of posts of tragedy-addicts arguing for the Cowboys to postpone or forfeit?


srhp29: Are there going to be a rash of people calling for the postponement of the game again this week?


Are there going to be hundreds of people biatching about the hundreds of people who call for the postponement of a game?
 
2012-12-08 03:52:28 PM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: dlp211: remember when Bob Costas called for gun control

wasn't bob quoting from a jason whitlock article? he said he agreed with whitlock.


Yes, he was quoting Whitlock.
 
2012-12-08 03:52:33 PM
So is Costas going to...oh, too late.
So are people going to ask for the game to be postpo....oh, too late.
......
Romo fail!

FIRST!
 
2012-12-08 03:53:03 PM

becksellent: p the boiler: I missed the Browns one... What happened?

I don't remember all the details, but I think a groundskeeper committed suicide in one of the buildings or something. :(


Hung himself, I believe.
 
2012-12-08 03:53:36 PM

HaywoodJablonski: lordjupiter: So are there going to be hundreds of posts of tragedy-addicts arguing for the Cowboys to postpone or forfeit?

And we'll need a moment of silence for drunk drivers and their passengers


Does Leonard Little still play? Because if he's on the opposing team...that could be awkward.
 
2012-12-08 03:53:51 PM

poisonedpawn78: Whos dumber.. the guy who drinks and drives or the friend that lets him AND gets into the same car.

Both of them were idiots and dont even TRY to claim this was a tragedy.


They were college teammates, and the dead guy apparently was about to become a father.

A guy is gonna have to go through life knowing he killed his best friend, and made his best friend's child grow up without a father. I'd say that this whole situation is pretty tragic.
 
2012-12-08 03:54:07 PM

becksellent: p the boiler: I missed the Browns one... What happened?

I don't remember all the details, but I think a groundskeeper committed suicide in one of the buildings or something. :(


But he wasn't very strong or fast and he didn't take anybody with him on his way out, so who cares about that one?
 
2012-12-08 03:55:05 PM

you are a puppet: HaywoodJablonski: lordjupiter: So are there going to be hundreds of posts of tragedy-addicts arguing for the Cowboys to postpone or forfeit?

And we'll need a moment of silence for drunk drivers and their passengers

Does Leonard Little still play? Because if he's on the opposing team...that could be awkward.


No, Little retired in '09 I think.

Donte Stallworth is still in the NFL though.
 
2012-12-08 03:56:02 PM

Ed_Severson: becksellent: p the boiler: I missed the Browns one... What happened?

I don't remember all the details, but I think a groundskeeper committed suicide in one of the buildings or something. :(

But he wasn't very strong or fast and he didn't take anybody with him on his way out, so who cares about that one?


I thought you were gonna go all "but he was associated with the Browns, so..."

/kinda glad you didn't
//good point though, unfortunately :(
 
2012-12-08 03:56:56 PM

NEDM: They were college teammates, and the dead guy apparently was about to become a father.


If only he could have somehow avoided getting into the car with a drunk driver.
 
2012-12-08 03:57:39 PM

SilentStrider: you are a puppet: HaywoodJablonski: lordjupiter: So are there going to be hundreds of posts of tragedy-addicts arguing for the Cowboys to postpone or forfeit?

And we'll need a moment of silence for drunk drivers and their passengers

Does Leonard Little still play? Because if he's on the opposing team...that could be awkward.

No, Little retired in '09 I think.

Donte Stallworth is still in the NFL though.


I don't fully know the details in the Stallworth thing, but having seen people jaywalk in the dark and almost hit them soberly, I don't know that alcohol made a huge difference in that case.
 
2012-12-08 03:57:45 PM

KiwDaWabbit: dlp211: rickythepenguin: jesus.

So is Bob Costas going to call for Prohibition?

Hey, remember when Bob Costas called for gun control, yea, neither do I. Words have meanings and a change of culture is not the same as instituting new laws.

Right. Just about everything I have wanted to say has been said already. Drunk driving is culturally acceptable in this country across any demographic background. I think that most of us here think that this was thoughtless and needless, but it's also ingrained in our culture. Campaigns against it and stiffer penalties might put small dents in the problem, but the best resolution is example setting and parenting in the formative years. Rest assured, people are gonna fark up sometimes whether or not they had the best parents ever, but that's where it all starts.


Nobody condones drunk driving. We just realize there is a difference between going out and having a beer or 2 and driving drunk
 
2012-12-08 03:57:58 PM

KiwDaWabbit: lordjupiter: So are there going to be hundreds of posts of tragedy-addicts arguing for the Cowboys to postpone or forfeit?

srhp29: Are there going to be a rash of people calling for the postponement of the game again this week?

Are there going to be hundreds of people biatching about the hundreds of people who call for the postponement of a game?



I hope so. We need that.
 
2012-12-08 03:59:10 PM

you are a puppet: I don't fully know the details in the Stallworth thing, but having seen people jaywalk in the dark and almost hit them soberly, I don't know that alcohol made a huge difference in that case.


You know Stallworth saw the guy and flashed his lights at him, right?

That said, I think Stallworth's situation had nothing to do with alcohol. He probably didn't even realize he would be over the limit since he had been sleeping for three or four hours prior to driving.
 
2012-12-08 03:59:12 PM

srhp29: NEDM: They were college teammates, and the dead guy apparently was about to become a father.

If only he could have somehow avoided getting into the car with a drunk driver.


I'm not saying that it wasn't stupid, just that it was tragic. If you don't have any sympathy for the dead, at least have some empathy for the ones they leave behind.
 
2012-12-08 04:00:37 PM

p the boiler: The guy is an idiot. Anyone who drives drunk is, no matter their profession.


The odds against dying in a car wreck while driving drunk are only about 1,000,000 to 1. So driving drunk is no more idiotic than dozens of other things we do every day.
 
2012-12-08 04:01:39 PM

lordjupiter: So are there going to be hundreds of posts of tragedy-addicts arguing for the Cowboys to postpone or forfeit?


srhp29: Are there going to be a rash of people calling for the postponement of the game again this week?


Yeah - like this is even the same thing as your employee blowing his brains out in front of you and then having to go to work a few hours later, lead a team and hold a press conference. Totally the same thing.
 
2012-12-08 04:02:36 PM

Triumph: lordjupiter: So are there going to be hundreds of posts of tragedy-addicts arguing for the Cowboys to postpone or forfeit?

srhp29: Are there going to be a rash of people calling for the postponement of the game again this week?

Yeah - like this is even the same thing as your employee blowing his brains out in front of you and then having to go to work a few hours later, lead a team and hold a press conference. Totally the same thing.


Yet somehow the Chiefs managed to win their second game of the year.
 
2012-12-08 04:02:39 PM

Warlordtrooper: KiwDaWabbit: dlp211: rickythepenguin: jesus.

So is Bob Costas going to call for Prohibition?

Hey, remember when Bob Costas called for gun control, yea, neither do I. Words have meanings and a change of culture is not the same as instituting new laws.

Right. Just about everything I have wanted to say has been said already. Drunk driving is culturally acceptable in this country across any demographic background. I think that most of us here think that this was thoughtless and needless, but it's also ingrained in our culture. Campaigns against it and stiffer penalties might put small dents in the problem, but the best resolution is example setting and parenting in the formative years. Rest assured, people are gonna fark up sometimes whether or not they had the best parents ever, but that's where it all starts.

Nobody condones drunk driving. We just realize there is a difference between going out and having a beer or 2 and driving drunk


That's not true. Anybody who supports zoning laws that put neighborhood bars out of business or keep them from opening, resulting in people having to drive to a place where they will consume alcohol and lose their judgment skills before they have to decide whether or not to drive home, is tacitly condoning drunk driving. People make all kinds of choices, some are more immediate than others, but there are causes all along the chain of events both intended and unintended.
 
2012-12-08 04:03:23 PM

p the boiler: Captain Steroid: marius2: Better article http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/headlines/20121208-dal las-cowboy-dies-in-irving-car-crash-teammate-arrested-on-manslaughter- charges.ece

Guy was one of his teammates, "Jerry Brown, 25, is the person who died. Brown is listed as a linebacker on the team."

Chiefs-Browns-Cowboys.

The trifecta is now complete. :-(

I missed the Browns one... What happened?


One of the Browns' grounds crew killed himself at their practice facility THE SAME DAY as Jovan Belcher. :-(

L.A. Times
 
2012-12-08 04:03:46 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: dlp211: rickythepenguin: jesus.

So is Bob Costas going to call for Prohibition?

Hey, remember when Bob Costas called for gun control, yea, neither do I. Words have meanings and a change of culture is not the same as instituting new laws.

That car culture, taking young men and women from us at more than twice the rate of guns. We need to recognize that vehicles do not need to be 4,000 pounds or have 400 horsepower, and that dubs actually make cars more dangerous. Put one in the hands of a drunk and mayhem ensues. One thing is certain, Brown would be alive today if Brent hadn't had access to a car.

Yeah, it does sound pretty stupid, doesn't it? But hey, at least it wasn't a gun that killed him, because while he would be just as dead one is much worse than the other.


Well, one is literally a killing machine that these days is at best a hobby item, while the other is a tansportation device that is pragmatically necessary for the functioning of modern society. It's also harder to get (legal) access to a car than it is a gun in many places. Good argument, bro.
 
2012-12-08 04:04:28 PM

srhp29: you are a puppet: I don't fully know the details in the Stallworth thing, but having seen people jaywalk in the dark and almost hit them soberly, I don't know that alcohol made a huge difference in that case.

You know Stallworth saw the guy and flashed his lights at him, right?

That said, I think Stallworth's situation had nothing to do with alcohol. He probably didn't even realize he would be over the limit since he had been sleeping for three or four hours prior to driving.


Did the guy freeze in his tracks and stare at the car's headlights, and did he make a *gulp* sound an instant before impact was made?
 
2012-12-08 04:05:20 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: That car alcohol culture

 
2012-12-08 04:06:27 PM
Obviously the cab/car service option is the only sensible answer, but the simple fact is that there are people who enjoy driving while buzzed and think nothing will ever happen to them. Not saying that's the case here, but those guys do exist.
 
2012-12-08 04:07:33 PM

neon_god: Adolf Oliver Nipples: dlp211: rickythepenguin: jesus.

So is Bob Costas going to call for Prohibition?

Hey, remember when Bob Costas called for gun control, yea, neither do I. Words have meanings and a change of culture is not the same as instituting new laws.

That car culture, taking young men and women from us at more than twice the rate of guns. We need to recognize that vehicles do not need to be 4,000 pounds or have 400 horsepower, and that dubs actually make cars more dangerous. Put one in the hands of a drunk and mayhem ensues. One thing is certain, Brown would be alive today if Brent hadn't had access to a car.

Yeah, it does sound pretty stupid, doesn't it? But hey, at least it wasn't a gun that killed him, because while he would be just as dead one is much worse than the other.

Well, one is literally a killing machine that these days is at best a hobby item, while the other is a tansportation device that is pragmatically necessary for the functioning of modern society. It's also harder to get (legal) access to a car than it is a gun in many places. Good argument, bro.


Neither of those are true. See: New York City, Chicago, etc. I myself went an entire year without a driver's license in semi-rural Pennsylvania, with my legs, a bicycle, and a bus pass. As for ease of access, if you can't buy a car 15 minutes from now you're either extremely poor or you're doing it wrong. Harder my ass.
 
2012-12-08 04:07:50 PM

KiwDaWabbit: , but the best resolution is example setting and parenting in the formative years. Rest assured, people are gonna fark up sometimes whether or not they had the best parents ever, but that's where it all starts.


By a strange twist of fate, it's also the solution to Godel's 'head trauma' problem. Maybe if, instead of considering dumb-fark reactionary stuff like replacing kickoffs with 4-and-15 from your 25, we had a youth system that teaches the kids 'playing hard and stopping your opponent doesn't mean trying to plant him into the ground with every hit', the NFL wouldn't be staring down the nightmare of litigation they are.

Face it, rugby shows that you can still play hard, hit hard, and not give your opponent or yourself lasting brain trauma. Unless you count the binge drinking after the matches.

Which now leads us back to the original topic: drinking and driving is farked up and you're a moron if you do it. My sympathy's to the Cowyboys, their fans and and the family of the player killed.
 
2012-12-08 04:08:27 PM

Warlordtrooper: Nobody condones drunk driving. We just realize there is a difference between going out and having a beer or 2 and driving drunk


"Condoning" and it "being socially acceptable" in my eyes are two different things. If it weren't socially acceptable, people wouldn't risk it in the numbers that they do. Go to most college campuses across the nation and tell me it's not socially acceptable.
 
2012-12-08 04:10:56 PM

DrPainMD: p the boiler: The guy is an idiot. Anyone who drives drunk is, no matter their profession.

The odds against dying in a car wreck while driving drunk are only about 1,000,000 to 1. So driving drunk is no more idiotic than dozens of other things we do every day.


Ironically, those are the same odds of you getting a f-ing clue.
 
2012-12-08 04:12:23 PM
If only Jerry Brown had a gun, he could have defended himself.
 
2012-12-08 04:14:30 PM

NEDM: poisonedpawn78: Whos dumber.. the guy who drinks and drives or the friend that lets him AND gets into the same car.

Both of them were idiots and dont even TRY to claim this was a tragedy.

They were college teammates, and the dead guy apparently was about to become a father.

A guy is gonna have to go through life knowing he killed his best friend, and made his best friend's child grow up without a father. I'd say that this whole situation is pretty tragic.


... and he's going to get some prison time on top of it, and lose his career most likely, I'd think.

And all so very preventable.
 
2012-12-08 04:14:51 PM
Bummer. RIP
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-12-08 04:17:57 PM
Does being in jail free up your roster spot?

Dallas Morning News: In June 2009, Brent was sentenced to two years of probation and 60 days in jail as part of a plea agreement stemming from a drunken driving arrest in Champaign County in Illinois.
 
2012-12-08 04:19:32 PM

ZAZ: Does being in jail free up your roster spot?

Dallas Morning News: In June 2009, Brent was sentenced to two years of probation and 60 days in jail as part of a plea agreement stemming from a drunken driving arrest in Champaign County in Illinois.


Well he might actually get a real sentence. Not just a year and parole
 
2012-12-08 04:19:39 PM

you are a puppet: srhp29: you are a puppet: I don't fully know the details in the Stallworth thing, but having seen people jaywalk in the dark and almost hit them soberly, I don't know that alcohol made a huge difference in that case.

You know Stallworth saw the guy and flashed his lights at him, right?

That said, I think Stallworth's situation had nothing to do with alcohol. He probably didn't even realize he would be over the limit since he had been sleeping for three or four hours prior to driving.

Did the guy freeze in his tracks and stare at the car's headlights, and did he make a *gulp* sound an instant before impact was made?


I hadn't heard of Stallworth's incident until now (I don't pay attention to football generally), but .. i'm interested in this point that he "flashed his headlights at the guy" before running him down. Maybe instead of flashing the headlights, while he was speeding, he should've tried the brake pedal .. or don't Bentleys have those?
 
2012-12-08 04:20:13 PM

KiwDaWabbit: Warlordtrooper: Nobody condones drunk driving. We just realize there is a difference between going out and having a beer or 2 and driving drunk

"Condoning" and it "being socially acceptable" in my eyes are two different things. If it weren't socially acceptable, people wouldn't risk it in the numbers that they do. Go to most college campuses across the nation and tell me it's not socially acceptable.


It's socially acceptable because if I go to dinner with my friends I want to have a beer. So does everybody else. Driving while hammered is not socially acceptable. Most of us don't get hammered when we go out because we know we have to drive back. Why should our fun be ruined?
 
2012-12-08 04:21:11 PM

Lou Cypher: Obviously the cab/car service option is the only sensible answer, but the simple fact is that there are people who enjoy driving while buzzed and think nothing will ever happen to them. Not saying that's the case here, but those guys do exist.


One problem is that cabs aren't readily available outside cities, so the vast majority of the country doesn't have that option. That wasn't the case here, but whenever someone says "take a cab" I have to remind them that for most people, that's not an option.

But the bigger problem is that 99.999% of drinkers don't know what it takes to make them legally drunk before they get into a car. I don't drink anymore, but when I did I carried around a breathalyzer that I spent a fortune on (more than $1,000 - those things weren't cheap back in the day) because I almost got a DUI the morning AFTER a party. I woke up and I was still drunk, but I didn't feel like I was still drunk. I felt like I was hungover. I was both.

I used to carry that breathalyzer out to bars when my friends and I went drinking, and unlike that toolbox Tucker Max we'd actually use it to make sure someone was safe to drive home. Over and over again people would be past 0.08 because no one had any idea how little alcohol it took to get them there. To further complicate matters, the drunker a person gets, the more likely they are to think they are OK to drive. Once you've made it past 0.10 your judgement is so compromised the possibility of you doing something stupid goes up exponentially with each successive drink.

There are really only two good solutions: either make sure you're not driving in the first place at the beginning of the evening, or set a hard limit and don't go above it. If two beers in an hour gets you to 0.08, then only drink two and stop. If you're out for 4 hours, don't chug 8 beers in the first hour and think you'll be OK by hour four, because you'll just keep drinking.
 
2012-12-08 04:21:22 PM

srhp29: Yet somehow the Chiefs managed to win their second game of the year.


What, you think the Panthers were going to let them LOSE TOO?
 
2012-12-08 04:21:35 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: We need to recognize that vehicles do not need to be 4,000 pounds or have 400 horsepower, and that dubs actually make cars more dangerous.


I believe Gregg Easterbrook has actually made that very argument in TMQ columns.
 
2012-12-08 04:22:43 PM
Sucks for Brandon Carr. He was attending the funeral of Belcher today, now he's going to be going to another one for a former team mate.
 
2012-12-08 04:24:22 PM

muck4doo: Sucks for Brandon Carr. He was attending the funeral of Belcher today, now he's going to be going to another one for a former team mate.


Is this real life or the plot of the next Final Destination?
 
2012-12-08 04:28:04 PM

ekdikeo4: you are a puppet: srhp29: you are a puppet: I don't fully know the details in the Stallworth thing, but having seen people jaywalk in the dark and almost hit them soberly, I don't know that alcohol made a huge difference in that case.

You know Stallworth saw the guy and flashed his lights at him, right?

That said, I think Stallworth's situation had nothing to do with alcohol. He probably didn't even realize he would be over the limit since he had been sleeping for three or four hours prior to driving.

Did the guy freeze in his tracks and stare at the car's headlights, and did he make a *gulp* sound an instant before impact was made?

I hadn't heard of Stallworth's incident until now (I don't pay attention to football generally), but .. i'm interested in this point that he "flashed his headlights at the guy" before running him down. Maybe instead of flashing the headlights, while he was speeding, he should've tried the brake pedal .. or don't Bentleys have those?


But he was trying to get his friend to his bus or plane or something.
 
2012-12-08 04:28:32 PM

KiwDaWabbit: Warlordtrooper: Nobody condones drunk driving. We just realize there is a difference between going out and having a beer or 2 and driving drunk

"Condoning" and it "being socially acceptable" in my eyes are two different things. If it weren't socially acceptable, people wouldn't risk it in the numbers that they do. Go to most college campuses across the nation and tell me it's not socially acceptable.


Absolutely true. My dorm roommates and I actually tried to see how drunk we could get and still drive. We were already home at the dorms, though; we'd all just hop in one of our cars with a stopwatch and see if the DDD could make it around the block and back the fastest. Don't even get me started on guns, though.

/go Hokies!
 
2012-12-08 04:29:54 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Neither of those are true. See: New York City, Chicago, etc. I myself went an entire year without a driver's license in semi-rural Pennsylvania, with my legs, a bicycle, and a bus pass. As for ease of access, if you can't buy a car 15 minutes from now you're either extremely poor or you're doing it wrong. Harder my ass.


Well, good for you, I guess? Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal. And while many residents of cities can get by without cars, that certainly isn't all, and those that could require others to have cars to supply them, move them any long distance, etc. Basically, many people and many businesses simply could not function in a modern way without cars. If people couldn't own guns, modern life would change very little, for those of us that aren't backwoods NRA types. And while you could buy a car, you a) need a licence to use it, which requires a test of safety and competence in operating it, b) need to register it with the state, and c) have to carry liability insurance in case you screw up and hurt someone or damage their property. Many, if not most, states have weaker laws on the conditions necessary to own a gun. Link
 
2012-12-08 04:32:50 PM

Unoriginal Nick: SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: Not really a surprise. It always amazes me how guys with that much money fail to call a cab or at least have a ride set up. It's pretty sad.

All NFL players even have access to free car service at anytime and these idiots still don't use it.


I suspect this might be a matter of not wanting your employer to know how irresponsible and substance abusing you actually are.

"Well we can only keep one of them on the roster. They're pretty similar but player A gets drunk a lot so player B has more upside and less risk"
 
2012-12-08 04:33:43 PM

srhp29: Triumph: lordjupiter: So are there going to be hundreds of posts of tragedy-addicts arguing for the Cowboys to postpone or forfeit?

srhp29: Are there going to be a rash of people calling for the postponement of the game again this week?

Yeah - like this is even the same thing as your employee blowing his brains out in front of you and then having to go to work a few hours later, lead a team and hold a press conference. Totally the same thing.

Yet somehow the Chiefs managed to win their second game of the year.


You can't stop Brady Quinn.
 
2012-12-08 04:34:44 PM

JoshTheTech: On the plus side a couple of roster spots just opened up. Unfortunately Jerry Jones will be filling them so there will still be no improvement. Be warned NFC East- the higher the arrest rate of them Cowboys the better they play- just ask Michael Irvin.

/go Giants


You're a farking tool.


Adolf Oliver Nipples: Neither of those are true. See: New York City, Chicago, etc. I myself went an entire year without a driver's license in semi-rural Pennsylvania, with my legs, a bicycle, and a bus pass. As for ease of access, if you can't buy a car 15 minutes from now you're either extremely poor or you're doing it wrong. Harder my ass.


Public transportation in DFW doesn't exactly run out to the high end neighborhoods. This entire paragraph is irrelevant to the issue at hand.
 
2012-12-08 04:34:49 PM

TheLopper: You can't stop Brady Quinn.


He was extremely courageous in victory.
 
2012-12-08 04:43:17 PM
sdrostra.com

R.I.P. Governor Moonbeam
 
2012-12-08 04:48:20 PM
I'd like to see the NFL ban alcohol in the stadiums this weekend in light of this tragedy....

HA!
 
2012-12-08 04:49:11 PM
FTA: "his car hit the outside curb, flipped over "

Costas, come on! Point out that if it wasn't for the curb, that Brown would still be alive.

Costas, how about going after Hollywood and their descriptions of people getting drunk and doing stupid and dangerous things?
 
2012-12-08 04:51:44 PM
nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com
I think he is going to get more ass in prison then he gets as a Dallas Cowboy.
 
2012-12-08 04:51:48 PM

DrPainMD: p the boiler: The guy is an idiot. Anyone who drives drunk is, no matter their profession.

The odds against dying in a car wreck while driving drunk are only about 1,000,000 to 1. So driving drunk is no more idiotic than dozens of other things we do every day.


Maybe I should play the lottery since I have lost multiple people in my life to drunk drivers.

Oh, and you are a douche.
 
2012-12-08 04:53:23 PM
So does this mean the Cowboys' practice squad will take tomorrow off?
 
2012-12-08 04:54:03 PM
The "Safe Rides Program" for NFL players got canned earlier this year, so that was not a factor in this incident.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/09/report-leagues-safe-r i des-program-is-no-more/
 
2012-12-08 04:54:18 PM

you are a puppet: SilentStrider: you are a puppet: HaywoodJablonski: lordjupiter: So are there going to be hundreds of posts of tragedy-addicts arguing for the Cowboys to postpone or forfeit?

And we'll need a moment of silence for drunk drivers and their passengers

Does Leonard Little still play? Because if he's on the opposing team...that could be awkward.

No, Little retired in '09 I think.

Donte Stallworth is still in the NFL though.

I don't fully know the details in the Stallworth thing, but having seen people jaywalk in the dark and almost hit them soberly, I don't know that alcohol made a huge difference in that case.


Stallworth also manned right the fark up about the whole thing as well.
 
2012-12-08 04:54:41 PM

NEDM: poisonedpawn78: Whos dumber.. the guy who drinks and drives or the friend that lets him AND gets into the same car.

Both of them were idiots and dont even TRY to claim this was a tragedy.

They were college teammates, and the dead guy apparently was about to become a father.

A guy is gonna have to go through life knowing he killed his best friend, and made his best friend's child grow up without a father. I'd say that this whole situation is pretty tragic.


wut? It is much more tragic than the dead guy. Or the dead guy's kid.

This is how he treats his "best friend"? really?? How does he deal with his enemies?
 
2012-12-08 04:59:53 PM
DrPainMD 

t1ak.roblox.com
 
2012-12-08 05:09:39 PM
Has anyone tried to blame this on CTE somehow? And if not, why not? You don't need to be brain-damaged to make terrible decisions like drinking and driving, but I'm sure it helps.

No, but seriously, R.I.P. linebacker man. My thoughts and prayers are with the families of the two guys involved and with the Cowboys organization. Losing a friend, a co-worker, a teammate -- whatever you called him -- always hurts like hell. Hopefully you can pull together and find the strength to get through this tragedy.

Still gonna root against you tomorrow, though.
 
2012-12-08 05:12:40 PM
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Impressed.
 
2012-12-08 05:17:32 PM

Warlordtrooper: KiwDaWabbit: Warlordtrooper: Nobody condones drunk driving. We just realize there is a difference between going out and having a beer or 2 and driving drunk

"Condoning" and it "being socially acceptable" in my eyes are two different things. If it weren't socially acceptable, people wouldn't risk it in the numbers that they do. Go to most college campuses across the nation and tell me it's not socially acceptable.

It's socially acceptable because if I go to dinner with my friends I want to have a beer. So does everybody else. Driving while hammered is not socially acceptable. Most of us don't get hammered when we go out because we know we have to drive back. Why should our fun be ruined?


I see what you're saying, but at the same time you have to remember that you do not have the right to drive, you have been granted the privelege based on a mutually-agreed upon level of responsibility. By driving under the influence of alcohol or any other substance that impairs your ability to drive, you are reneging on your commitment. Not just that, it's one that saw you taking multiple tests in order to even prove you had any business making a commitment in the first place, and you bear a license that represents that.

I mean, have your fun, but just realize that while you may not be getting hammered to the point of an obvious inability to function behind the wheel, one single drink can and does alter virtually every human being's perspective for a while (however subtle) as well as breaking a promise to every driver, motorcycle rider, bicyclist and pedestrian on the road.

Also... going out and having "a beer or two" and then driving will put you over the legal limit, and if it is noticable to any degree that you are intoxicated from any amount of alcohol you shouldn't be farking driving anywhere. Here's a thought: Drink some water for an hour or two. Don't have anywhere to go? Your own damn fault for staying out too late drinking.

Sorry to be a dick, but there's really absolutely no excuse for driving while intoxicated. As cliche as it sounds, I always get a designated driver, call a cab, walk (I'm more than confident in my ability to avoid major streets and make my way home in a semi-stupor, because I speak from experience)... something besides being the thing the rest of the people on the street worry about after a certain hour.

/not a cop
//not AA
///don't drink and drive, please
 
2012-12-08 05:41:02 PM
Oh I get it. Even if they're weren't guns available to people, we would still find ways to kill each other. Clever!

And as an aside, left-leaning shiatbags like Costas have 6-8 ARMED bodyguards with them 24/7. Wake me when the hypocrisy is gone.
 
2012-12-08 05:43:57 PM
Drunk drivers belong in the hottest corner of hell, along with Hitler, Jerry Sandusky, and Dick Cheney.
 
2012-12-08 05:45:27 PM
How about those Cowboys!!!
 
2012-12-08 05:53:27 PM
Yet another example of the thug culture rampant in the NBA.

...wait, this was in the NFL? Isolated incident! Isolated incident! Like all the other ones.
 
2012-12-08 06:01:55 PM

HaywoodJablonski: muck4doo: Sucks for Brandon Carr. He was attending the funeral of Belcher today, now he's going to be going to another one for a former team mate.

Is this real life or the plot of the next Final Destination?


Dear God... Brandon Carr... is KIRA! O_O
i1182.photobucket.com

DAMN YOU, KIRA! >:O
 
2012-12-08 06:02:49 PM
What savages. Truly sickening.
 
2012-12-08 06:21:42 PM
There need to be more laws against drinking and driving.
Make them both illegal, raise the taxes on booze and gasoline, and ban all fast cars.
 
2012-12-08 06:21:54 PM
RIP to Brown, Brent should get the maximum sentence
 
2012-12-08 06:23:15 PM
Millions of dollars a year. Entourages. People willing to do their bidding on demand...

AND NONE OF THESE ASSHOLES THINK TO HIRE A DRIVER
 
2012-12-08 06:32:28 PM

R.A.Danny: There need to be more laws against drinking and driving.
Make them both illegal, raise the taxes on booze and gasoline, and ban all fast cars.


Please explain how many DUI incidents involve cars going "fast"...IE 140+ mph. Since almost all cars have this ability save for high end and supercars. I'd like to know where your farked up line of reasoning goes.

The rest of your argument is ok at best, but will never happen. Judges and Lawyers drink like sailors, and they don't want any part of a law that would stop that.
 
rka
2012-12-08 06:34:04 PM

RoyFokker'sGhost: Face it, rugby shows that you can still play hard, hit hard, and not give your opponent or yourself lasting brain trauma.


Does it? Is that your impression or do you have data to back this up?

http://eprints.ru.ac.za/2449/1/FINKELSTEIN-MSocSc-TR00-47.pdf
 
2012-12-08 06:34:59 PM

dlp211: rickythepenguin: jesus.

So is Bob Costas going to call for Prohibition?

Hey, remember when Bob Costas called for gun control, yea, neither do I. Words have meanings and a change of culture is not the same as instituting new laws.


"People should be able to own guns for their own protection. Obviously, those who are hunters," Costas added. "The access to guns is too easy in some cases. I don't see any reason why a citizen should be able to arm himself, as they can in some states and some cases, arm themselves in ways that only the police or the military should able to - to have a virtual militia purchased by mail order or purchased at gun shows. Why do you need a semi-automatic weapon? What possible use is there for a citizen to have a semi-automatic weapon?"

Yeah no calls to ban anything there (hint: semi-automatics). No to mention the fact that Costas has no farking clue what he's talking about but then again neither do any of the gun grabber congress critters so why should he.
 
2012-12-08 06:37:24 PM
Yeah, odds Bob Costas is gonna make this all about himself as well?
 
2012-12-08 06:41:04 PM

The Guitar Solo from Ride the Lightning: Yet another example of the thug culture rampant in the NBA.

...wait, this was in the NFL? Isolated incident! Isolated incident! Like all the other ones.


And again I'll just point out that one NFL roster, including practice-squad players, probably has the equivalent of 8-10 NBA rosters. Also, the league has more draftees, more undrafted free agents, more player turnover, and shorter player careers, ergo it has an even GREATER proportion of ex-players than the NBA.

Of course, NFL athletes think they are invincible. So, yeah, that is a culture problem.
 
2012-12-08 06:47:04 PM
Maybe he should have learned that drinking and driving don't mix from this guy.
 
2012-12-08 06:52:48 PM
Something about this headline makes me MADD.
 
2012-12-08 06:53:25 PM

The Guitar Solo from Ride the Lightning: Yet another example of the thug culture rampant in the NBA.

...wait, this was in the NFL? Isolated incident! Isolated incident! Like all the other ones.


Oh yes, drinking and driving is such a race specific issue thanks for letting everyone know it is specific to.....

wait, this was a retarded comment? Ignorant ass! Ignorant ass! Like all his other comments
 
2012-12-08 06:57:23 PM

MoeSzyslak: Yeah no calls to ban anything there (hint: semi-automatics). No to mention the fact that Costas has no farking clue what he's talking about but then again neither do any of the gun grabber congress critters so why should he.


This isn't even about you or your pet issues that get you all outraged, but I can't think of a single reason that any of us need a semi-automatic weapon.

And ANOTHER THING. We don't know the details of this incident. We don't know how drunk he was. If he was flabbergasted drunk or was barely over the limit. The area where this occurred is heavily under construction, with traffic changes happening all the time. I'm not sure exactly where the incident occurred, though. The article I read said the posted speed limit was 45 mph & he was clearly driving far over the limit. We don't know whether either of them were wearing a seat belt either. There are a lot of questions & it happened less than 24 hours ago, so my assessment would be that none of us have enough information to be gettin all high & mighty.
 
2012-12-08 06:58:45 PM

Shrugging Atlas: Millions of dollars a year. Entourages. People willing to do their bidding on demand...

AND NONE OF THESE ASSHOLES THINK TO HIRE A DRIVER


Of course they do. Clearly, plenty of them do. But not all.
 
2012-12-08 06:59:51 PM

Di Atribe: There are a lot of questions & it happened less than 24 hours ago, so my assessment would be that none of us have enough information to be gettin all high & mighty.


While I agree with you, this is the internet and all people do is get high and mighty about things they know nothing about.
 
2012-12-08 07:02:58 PM

Di Atribe: There are a lot of questions & it happened less than 24 hours ago, so my assessment would be that none of us have enough information to be gettin all high & mighty.


Only one thing we do know, someone lost their life to drunk driving and the other guy is facing the consequences.
 
2012-12-08 07:07:32 PM

Di Atribe: MoeSzyslak: Yeah no calls to ban anything there (hint: semi-automatics). No to mention the fact that Costas has no farking clue what he's talking about but then again neither do any of the gun grabber congress critters so why should he.

This isn't even about you or your pet issues that get you all outraged, but I can't think of a single reason that any of us need a semi-automatic weapon.

And ANOTHER THING. We don't know the details of this incident. We don't know how drunk he was. If he was flabbergasted drunk or was barely over the limit. The area where this occurred is heavily under construction, with traffic changes happening all the time. I'm not sure exactly where the incident occurred, though. The article I read said the posted speed limit was 45 mph & he was clearly driving far over the limit. We don't know whether either of them were wearing a seat belt either. There are a lot of questions & it happened less than 24 hours ago, so my assessment would be that none of us have enough information to be gettin all high & mighty.


Do you know what a semi-automatic weapon is? You're not one of those we should only be allowed muskets people, are you? Also alcohol only exists to get people drunk and I can't think of a single reason any of us need to be drunk. Remove alcohol from this equation and Jerry Brown would still be alive. Right?
 
2012-12-08 07:10:30 PM

MoeSzyslak: Also alcohol only exists to get people drunk


You're doing it wrong.
 
2012-12-08 07:15:45 PM
CBS reporting it was his second offense...he had a DUI in college.
 
2012-12-08 07:16:48 PM
I hate when people refer to drinking and driving deaths as "accidents".

It's never an accident. You make the decision to drive drunk.
 
2012-12-08 07:19:21 PM

IAmRight: MoeSzyslak: Also alcohol only exists to get people drunk

You're doing it wrong.


I know I know. I love alcohol as much as anyone. Just pointing out the absurdity of some arguments. The alcohol didn't make him drive he chose to and the gun didn't make the other guy kill HE CHOSE TO. Millions of people drink and don't get behind the wheel and millions of people own guns and don't kill anyone. The people that chose to commit the unlawful acts are the problem, not the instruments they chose to use.
 
2012-12-08 07:19:54 PM
 
2012-12-08 07:21:58 PM

Di Atribe: MoeSzyslak: Yeah no calls to ban anything there (hint: semi-automatics). No to mention the fact that Costas has no farking clue what he's talking about but then again neither do any of the gun grabber congress critters so why should he.

This isn't even about you or your pet issues that get you all outraged, but I can't think of a single reason that any of us need a semi-automatic weapon.


My shotgun is a semi-auto, which makes skeet shooting and avicide much easier.
 
2012-12-08 07:23:20 PM

MoeSzyslak: dlp211: rickythepenguin: jesus.

So is Bob Costas going to call for Prohibition?

Hey, remember when Bob Costas called for gun control, yea, neither do I. Words have meanings and a change of culture is not the same as instituting new laws.

"People should be able to own guns for their own protection. Obviously, those who are hunters," Costas added. "The access to guns is too easy in some cases. I don't see any reason why a citizen should be able to arm himself, as they can in some states and some cases, arm themselves in ways that only the police or the military should able to - to have a virtual militia purchased by mail order or purchased at gun shows. Why do you need a semi-automatic weapon? What possible use is there for a citizen to have a semi-automatic weapon?"

Yeah no calls to ban anything there (hint: semi-automatics). No to mention the fact that Costas has no farking clue what he's talking about but then again neither do any of the gun grabber congress critters so why should he.


Except that isn't what he said during the half-time show and that is what my statement was in reference to.
 
2012-12-08 07:26:59 PM
dlp211: Hey, remember when Bob Costas called for gun control

Yes a couple of days ago on the Dan Patrick Show.
 
2012-12-08 07:32:00 PM
Go 'Skins!
 
2012-12-08 07:34:13 PM
do these people not understand...close one eye and and stay between the lines?

/drove drunk every night in DFW for 10 years
//never harmed anyone
///regret it and wont ever do it again, especially with Canada's Ride Program
 
2012-12-08 07:43:39 PM

Fade2black: R.A.Danny: There need to be more laws against drinking and driving.
Make them both illegal, raise the taxes on booze and gasoline, and ban all fast cars.

Please explain how many DUI incidents involve cars going "fast"...IE 140+ mph. Since almost all cars have this ability save for high end and supercars. I'd like to know where your farked up line of reasoning goes.


Cars should have speed limiters on them based on the state that they are registered in.
No reason a car should go faster than the speed limit.
Besides it saves on gas which will stop global warming.
 
2012-12-08 07:46:45 PM

Di Atribe: And ANOTHER THING. We don't know the details of this incident. We don't know how drunk he was. If he was flabbergasted drunk or was barely over the limit.


It doesn't farking matter how much over the limit he was.

The guy is still dead.

Or do you think the guy is less dead if the driver was at the limit?
 
2012-12-08 08:00:28 PM
It's amazing responding to a call that the driver is still able to perform (and fail) field sobriety tests and the passengers in the car are dead.
 
2012-12-08 08:15:43 PM

06Wahoo: Is Bob Costas now going to tell us how we need car control and that young men in the NFL should not have access to cars?


Not when they're wasted, sport.

/ false equivalency is false
 
2012-12-08 08:35:56 PM

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: Not really a surprise. It always amazes me how guys with that much money fail to call a cab or at least have a ride set up. It's pretty sad.


Well... which is it? You're not surprised, or you're amazed? sorta mutually exclusive things.
 
2012-12-08 08:50:07 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: It's amazing responding to a call that the driver is still able to perform (and fail) field sobriety tests and the passengers in the car are dead.


Since the car rolled, I'd venture a guess that the passenger wasn't wearing a seatbelt and may have been ejected from the vehicle.
 
2012-12-08 08:55:46 PM

Fade2black: R.A.Danny: There need to be more laws against drinking and driving.
Make them both illegal, raise the taxes on booze and gasoline, and ban all fast cars.

Please explain how many DUI incidents involve cars going "fast"...IE 140+ mph. Since almost all cars have this ability save for high end and supercars. I'd like to know where your farked up line of reasoning goes.

The rest of your argument is ok at best, but will never happen. Judges and Lawyers drink like sailors, and they don't want any part of a law that would stop that.


Oh, just change "Cars" to "Guns" and you'll get my point.
 
2012-12-08 09:07:57 PM
Guns have one reason for existing - to kill. But I suppose that's not a significant difference between them and cars or alcohol.
 
2012-12-08 09:14:02 PM

IAmRight: Guns have one reason for existing - to kill. But I suppose that's not a significant difference between them and cars or alcohol.


Yeah it's not possible to use a gun without killing. Also sometimes things need killing. Alcohol exists solely for people to get inebriated. I've yet to hear a compelling reason why people need to be inebriated.
 
2012-12-08 09:14:40 PM

IAmRight: Guns have one reason for existing - to kill. But I suppose that's not a significant difference between them and cars or alcohol.


Cars do it a lot more effectively, and as for guns having only one reason to exist - That's just silly.
 
2012-12-08 09:20:53 PM

Lsherm: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: It's amazing responding to a call that the driver is still able to perform (and fail) field sobriety tests and the passengers in the car are dead.

Since the car rolled, I'd venture a guess that the passenger wasn't wearing a seatbelt and may have been ejected from the vehicle.


You can show up to scenes of utter destruction and there is the driver, up and staggering about. His friends are mush in the car.
 
2012-12-08 09:26:48 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Lsherm: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: It's amazing responding to a call that the driver is still able to perform (and fail) field sobriety tests and the passengers in the car are dead.

Since the car rolled, I'd venture a guess that the passenger wasn't wearing a seatbelt and may have been ejected from the vehicle.

You can show up to scenes of utter destruction and there is the driver, up and staggering about. His friends are mush in the car.


Conventional wisdom used to be (and might still be) that if you're drunk you don't tense up so you absorb the impact better. However, his teammate was reportedly also drunk, so I'm going with the seatbelt theory until there's more information.
 
2012-12-08 09:31:49 PM

MoeSzyslak: Yeah it's not possible to use a gun without killing.


Why would you? It's like having porn to not sexually arouse yourself.
 
2012-12-08 09:36:26 PM

IAmRight: Why would you? It's like having porn to not sexually arouse yourself.


So you find the thought of killing to be arousing?

There are dozens of shooting sports that involve no harm to anything but paper, clay, and bowling pins.
 
2012-12-08 09:43:30 PM

rickythepenguin: jesus.

So is Bob Costas going to call for Prohibition?


That made me chuckle
 
2012-12-08 09:45:02 PM

R.A.Danny: There are dozens of shooting sports that involve no harm to anything but paper, clay, and bowling pins.


That's not what guns were invented for, however.
 
2012-12-08 09:47:27 PM

IAmRight: R.A.Danny: There are dozens of shooting sports that involve no harm to anything but paper, clay, and bowling pins.

That's not what guns were invented for, however.


That has nothing to do with anything really.
 
2012-12-08 09:54:49 PM

p the boiler: The guy is an idiot. Anyone who drives drunk is, no matter their profession.


This was over after one.
 
2012-12-08 09:55:05 PM

R.A.Danny: That has nothing to do with anything really.


It has as much to do with anything as anything else in this retarded argument the gun nuts injected into the conversation.
 
2012-12-08 09:56:39 PM

IAmRight: R.A.Danny: That has nothing to do with anything really.

It has as much to do with anything as anything else in this retarded argument the gun nuts injected into the conversation.


Cars kill over 40,000 people a year. That's a huge number. People are obviously incapable of driving safely. We really need to put a stop to this.
 
2012-12-08 10:06:44 PM

R.A.Danny: Cars kill over 40,000 people a year. That's a huge number. People are obviously incapable of driving safely. We really need to put a stop to this.


Cars and motor vehicles in general are also integral to life in America; guns are entirely unnecessary.
 
2012-12-08 10:08:31 PM

IAmRight: R.A.Danny: Cars kill over 40,000 people a year. That's a huge number. People are obviously incapable of driving safely. We really need to put a stop to this.

Cars and motor vehicles in general are also integral to life in America; guns are entirely unnecessary.


That's not true. We need guns to shoot paper, clay, and bowling pins.
 
2012-12-08 10:17:59 PM

you are a puppet: That's not true. We need guns to shoot paper, clay, and bowling pins.


No you don't. You can put holes in paper, clay, and bowling pins with a slingshot. But then you might actually have to have some coordination and athleticism.

You can take a pencil and do as much damage to a paper target as you do with a bullet. More satisfying, too.
 
2012-12-08 10:39:06 PM

MoeSzyslak: IAmRight: Guns have one reason for existing - to kill. But I suppose that's not a significant difference between them and cars or alcohol.

Yeah it's not possible to use a gun without killing. Also sometimes things need killing. Alcohol exists solely for people to get inebriated. I've yet to hear a compelling reason why people need to be inebriated.


Try a mirror?
 
2012-12-08 10:43:44 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Fade2black: R.A.Danny: There need to be more laws against drinking and driving.
Make them both illegal, raise the taxes on booze and gasoline, and ban all fast cars.

Please explain how many DUI incidents involve cars going "fast"...IE 140+ mph. Since almost all cars have this ability save for high end and supercars. I'd like to know where your farked up line of reasoning goes.

Cars should have speed limiters on them based on the state that they are registered in.
No reason a car should go faster than the speed limit.
Besides it saves on gas which will stop global warming.


sometimes you have to pass someone so your idea wouldn't work. but I see no reason why any production car for road use should be able to go over 100.
 
2012-12-08 11:08:05 PM

I_Love_Cheesecake: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 360x299]
Impressed.


www.goaliesarchive.com

Disapproves

/Old school
 
2012-12-08 11:09:36 PM

06Wahoo: Is Bob Costas now going to tell us how we need car control and that young men in the NFL should not have access to cars?


This rightcheah.
 
2012-12-08 11:09:54 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Fade2black: R.A.Danny: There need to be more laws against drinking and driving.
Make them both illegal, raise the taxes on booze and gasoline, and ban all fast cars.

Please explain how many DUI incidents involve cars going "fast"...IE 140+ mph. Since almost all cars have this ability save for high end and supercars. I'd like to know where your farked up line of reasoning goes.

Cars should have speed limiters on them based on the state that they are registered in.
No reason a car should go faster than the speed limit.
Besides it saves on gas which will stop global warming.


Are you farking with me? Am I falling for a troll? There isn't really people out there this stupid is there? Please someone tell me there aren't people like this out there that if they were any dumber we'd need to water them every week or we'd take them for a potted plant.
 
2012-12-08 11:21:23 PM
Jason Garret to Cowboys this week: "Get inside their heads. Think like Bengals think."

Another Garrett plan backfires.
 
2012-12-08 11:26:26 PM
My mother was killed by a drunk driver.

I have only sympathy for the victims family.
 
2012-12-09 12:45:19 AM

eddievercetti: RIP to Brown, Brent should get the maximum sentence


It's not legal to drive drunk, but it's also a very stupid personal choice to go out drinking with your friend and then get in his car as a passenger. How about make a plan to get home before you even go out? I don't always blame the victim, but when I do, I'm pretty sure he is owed a significant share of the blame.

Dig into your pockets for $50 to take a car service home, morans. Fans are paying hundreds of dollars per butt to sit in your stadium and watch you play a stupid game. I know the NFL and the teams work hard to instill appropriate behavior in their players. And this guy should have known better, having already served a sentence for DUI.
 
2012-12-09 12:47:34 AM

neon_god: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Neither of those are true. See: New York City, Chicago, etc. I myself went an entire year without a driver's license in semi-rural Pennsylvania, with my legs, a bicycle, and a bus pass. As for ease of access, if you can't buy a car 15 minutes from now you're either extremely poor or you're doing it wrong. Harder my ass.

Well, good for you, I guess? Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal. And while many residents of cities can get by without cars, that certainly isn't all, and those that could require others to have cars to supply them, move them any long distance, etc. Basically, many people and many businesses simply could not function in a modern way without cars. If people couldn't own guns, modern life would change very little, for those of us that aren't backwoods NRA types. And while you could buy a car, you a) need a licence to use it, which requires a test of safety and competence in operating it, b) need to register it with the state, and c) have to carry liability insurance in case you screw up and hurt someone or damage their property. Many, if not most, states have weaker laws on the conditions necessary to own a gun. Link


All of the things you cite about using cars is using them in public. You don't need a license, insurance or any other thing you bring up if used on private property. If I want to carry a firearm in public I have to go through much more than what I do do use a car in public.
 
2012-12-09 01:51:53 AM

eaglepuss: The "Safe Rides Program" for NFL players got canned earlier this year, so that was not a factor in this incident.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/09/report-leagues-safe-r i des-program-is-no-more/


That is an absolute farking failure on the part of the league and the union. They should make that a mandatory part of every rookie symposium, OTA, minicamp, and annual union meeting. When Braylon Edwards gets a DUI instead of taking the FREE GODDAMN LIMO the team provided, there is a failure in the system.
 
2012-12-09 02:02:33 AM

BoxOfBees: It's not legal to drive drunk, but it's also a very stupid personal choice to go out drinking with your friend and then get in his car as a passenger. How about make a plan to get home before you even go out? I don't always blame the victim, but when I do, I'm pretty sure he is owed a significant share of the blame.


I have a standing offer with my son: If he's had too much to drink or someone that drove him has had too much to drink....I'll pick him up, no questions asked.

My best friend's sister was killed by a drunk driver...it devastated him and his family. Ironically, he sought solace in the bottle and became an alcoholic (5 years sober now).
 
2012-12-09 02:13:46 AM
more intent to kill in this case than the trevon martin case.
 
2012-12-09 02:21:52 AM

xaks: MoeSzyslak: IAmRight: Guns have one reason for existing - to kill. But I suppose that's not a significant difference between them and cars or alcohol.

Yeah it's not possible to use a gun without killing. Also sometimes things need killing. Alcohol exists solely for people to get inebriated. I've yet to hear a compelling reason why people need to be inebriated.

Try a mirror?


and boom goes the vegemite!
 
2012-12-09 02:36:31 AM

knight_on_the_rail: xaks: MoeSzyslak: IAmRight: Guns have one reason for existing - to kill. But I suppose that's not a significant difference between them and cars or alcohol.

Yeah it's not possible to use a gun without killing. Also sometimes things need killing. Alcohol exists solely for people to get inebriated. I've yet to hear a compelling reason why people need to be inebriated.

Try a mirror?

and boom goes the vegemite!


Yeah he sure shot the shiat out of my obviously no longer valid point.
 
2012-12-09 02:47:13 AM

dlp211: rickythepenguin: jesus.

So is Bob Costas going to call for Prohibition?

Hey, remember when Bob Costas called for gun control, yea, neither do I. Words have meanings and a change of culture is not the same as instituting new laws.


Guess you need to go back and listen to when he "clarified" his statement then. That was pretty much exactly what he is calling for.
 
2012-12-09 02:56:40 AM
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RIP Jerry Browne
 
2012-12-09 10:02:07 AM

UNC_Samurai: eaglepuss: The "Safe Rides Program" for NFL players got canned earlier this year, so that was not a factor in this incident.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/09/report-leagues-safe-r i des-program-is-no-more/

That is an absolute farking failure on the part of the league and the union. They should make that a mandatory part of every rookie symposium, OTA, minicamp, and annual union meeting. When Braylon Edwards gets a DUI instead of taking the FREE GODDAMN LIMO the team provided, there is a failure in the system.


Oh but wait! Don't answer yet! Here's another piece to the puzzle! Let's just face it - no big, rich, macho, drunk guy is gonna ask for help: i.e. a ride home.
Link
 
2012-12-09 11:08:12 AM

eaglepuss: UNC_Samurai: eaglepuss: The "Safe Rides Program" for NFL players got canned earlier this year, so that was not a factor in this incident.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/09/report-leagues-safe-r i des-program-is-no-more/

That is an absolute farking failure on the part of the league and the union. They should make that a mandatory part of every rookie symposium, OTA, minicamp, and annual union meeting. When Braylon Edwards gets a DUI instead of taking the FREE GODDAMN LIMO the team provided, there is a failure in the system.

Oh but wait! Don't answer yet! Here's another piece to the puzzle! Let's just face it - no big, rich, macho, drunk guy is gonna ask for help: i.e. a ride home.
Link


It also costs $90/hour. Like the article says, it should be free (read: paid for collectively by the union through a small increase in fees).

The Jets knew/know their players are going to be out late sometimes at clubs or parties, so they provided a free limo:
cache.gawkerassets.com

I know I keep repeating those two words, and I realize there's a disconnect between us regular nobody and guys who we watch catch a football on TV - but the words "free limo service" should carry a lot of meaning even for the superstars.
 
2012-12-09 11:23:11 AM

UNC_Samurai: eaglepuss: UNC_Samurai: eaglepuss: The "Safe Rides Program" for NFL players got canned earlier this year, so that was not a factor in this incident.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/09/report-leagues-safe-r i des-program-is-no-more/

That is an absolute farking failure on the part of the league and the union. They should make that a mandatory part of every rookie symposium, OTA, minicamp, and annual union meeting. When Braylon Edwards gets a DUI instead of taking the FREE GODDAMN LIMO the team provided, there is a failure in the system.

Oh but wait! Don't answer yet! Here's another piece to the puzzle! Let's just face it - no big, rich, macho, drunk guy is gonna ask for help: i.e. a ride home.
Link

It also costs $90/hour. Like the article says, it should be free (read: paid for collectively by the union through a small increase in fees).

The Jets knew/know their players are going to be out late sometimes at clubs or parties, so they provided a free limo:
[cache.gawkerassets.com image 300x400]

I know I keep repeating those two words, and I realize there's a disconnect between us regular nobody and guys who we watch catch a football on TV - but the words "free limo service" should carry a lot of meaning even for the superstars.


I'm totally with you, UNC_Samurai.
 
2012-12-09 11:56:57 AM

MoeSzyslak: Do you know what a semi-automatic weapon is? You're not one of those we should only be allowed muskets people, are you? Also alcohol only exists to get people drunk and I can't think of a single reason any of us need to be drunk. Remove alcohol from this equation and Jerry Brown would still be alive. Right?


Do you think that anyone who knows anything about firearms is automatically pro-gun? That if someone has the GALL to not like something that you do like, that they must be completely ignorant of the subject? Because that is MIGHTY presumptuous of you.

No, I don't think we should only be allowed muskets. I never said anything even close to that. Here's the thing I've noticed about the pro-gun crowd: the issue is only black & white to them. It's almost like, if they compromise or admit to thinking about what kind of changes might make us all safer, that they have somehow betrayed their cause. There is a gray area.


tenpoundsofcheese: It doesn't farking matter how much over the limit he was.

The guy is still dead.

Or do you think the guy is less dead if the driver was at the limit?


The account of the accident said Mr Brent was driving at a high speed. It is possible to have an accident after drinking that was not caused by the alcohol. However, the responding officer said Mr Brent appeared to be impaired, so he probably was well over the legal limit. And no one implied that Mr Brent's BAC was proportional to Mr Brown's deadness. That's just absurd.
 
2012-12-09 12:55:44 PM
People want to put pot smokers in jail for this same reason driving under the influence. I think it is high time to ban alcohol all together and put alcohol drinkers in jail also. Drinkers are nothing more than self-centered losers looking to escape reality, when they drink they think they are above the rest. Time to put them in jail and make our streets safe to drive on again. I guy would be alive today if alcohol had been kept illegal.
 
2012-12-09 08:55:38 PM
Why should the NFL or their union have to proved free limo service to grown men. From the time I was my friends and I were old enough to go out we knew to always have a DD and this is when you could drink legally at 18.

No excuse for rich grown college educated adults to not know better.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-12-09 09:23:22 PM
Why should the NFL or their union have to proved free limo service to grown men.

Business reasons if nothing more. These players are worth around $100,000 per game each on average*. Collectively they have a history of poor judgment. If a limo service costing $500,000 per year around the league saves on average 5 player-games from drunken antics, it has paid for itself. By one report there's a two year minimum sentence in this case.

The teams could buy "player dies or goes to jail" insurance, and maybe they have, but there is a public relations cost from players having drunken wrecks. The NFL cares about image. It is one of the most valuable brands in the world.

* Ballpark figure from $100 million team salary divided by 50 players and 20 games per season.
 
2012-12-09 11:37:10 PM

Unoriginal Nick: SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: Not really a surprise. It always amazes me how guys with that much money fail to call a cab or at least have a ride set up. It's pretty sad.

All NFL players even have access to free car service at anytime and these idiots still don't use it.


They DO? Good Lord, I would go out and get drunk 60 miles from my house just FOR THAT.
 
2012-12-10 01:26:22 PM

MoeSzyslak: knight_on_the_rail: xaks: MoeSzyslak: IAmRight: Guns have one reason for existing - to kill. But I suppose that's not a significant difference between them and cars or alcohol.

Yeah it's not possible to use a gun without killing. Also sometimes things need killing. Alcohol exists solely for people to get inebriated. I've yet to hear a compelling reason why people need to be inebriated.

Try a mirror?

and boom goes the vegemite!

Yeah he sure shot the shiat out of my obviously no longer valid point.


I thought it was a clever jab at your Fark handle

/But it was probably just a troll comment
 
2012-12-10 05:25:49 PM

Di Atribe: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Neither of those are true. See: New York City, Chicago, etc. I myself went an entire year without a driver's license in semi-rural Pennsylvania, with my legs, a bicycle, and a bus pass. As for ease of access, if you can't buy a car 15 minutes from now you're either extremely poor or you're doing it wrong. Harder my ass.

Public transportation in DFW doesn't exactly run out to the high end neighborhoods. This entire paragraph is irrelevant to the issue at hand.


So? Then don't live in the sticks. You don't need a car, period. This is no different than the "but my neighborhood is dangerous!" justification for owning a gun. Fark you, move somewhere else.
 
2012-12-10 05:35:54 PM

IAmRight: you are a puppet: That's not true. We need guns to shoot paper, clay, and bowling pins.

No you don't. You can put holes in paper, clay, and bowling pins with a slingshot. But then you might actually have to have some coordination and athleticism.

You can take a pencil and do as much damage to a paper target as you do with a bullet. More satisfying, too.


Just like you can take the farking bus to work. There is no reason that individuals should be allowed to operate a multi-ton guided missile. It should be left to the professionals.
 
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