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2012-12-08 11:09:36 PM

06Wahoo: Is Bob Costas now going to tell us how we need car control and that young men in the NFL should not have access to cars?


This rightcheah.
 
2012-12-08 11:09:54 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Fade2black: R.A.Danny: There need to be more laws against drinking and driving.
Make them both illegal, raise the taxes on booze and gasoline, and ban all fast cars.

Please explain how many DUI incidents involve cars going "fast"...IE 140+ mph. Since almost all cars have this ability save for high end and supercars. I'd like to know where your farked up line of reasoning goes.

Cars should have speed limiters on them based on the state that they are registered in.
No reason a car should go faster than the speed limit.
Besides it saves on gas which will stop global warming.


Are you farking with me? Am I falling for a troll? There isn't really people out there this stupid is there? Please someone tell me there aren't people like this out there that if they were any dumber we'd need to water them every week or we'd take them for a potted plant.
 
2012-12-08 11:21:23 PM
Jason Garret to Cowboys this week: "Get inside their heads. Think like Bengals think."

Another Garrett plan backfires.
 
2012-12-08 11:26:26 PM
My mother was killed by a drunk driver.

I have only sympathy for the victims family.
 
2012-12-09 12:45:19 AM

eddievercetti: RIP to Brown, Brent should get the maximum sentence


It's not legal to drive drunk, but it's also a very stupid personal choice to go out drinking with your friend and then get in his car as a passenger. How about make a plan to get home before you even go out? I don't always blame the victim, but when I do, I'm pretty sure he is owed a significant share of the blame.

Dig into your pockets for $50 to take a car service home, morans. Fans are paying hundreds of dollars per butt to sit in your stadium and watch you play a stupid game. I know the NFL and the teams work hard to instill appropriate behavior in their players. And this guy should have known better, having already served a sentence for DUI.
 
2012-12-09 12:47:34 AM

neon_god: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Neither of those are true. See: New York City, Chicago, etc. I myself went an entire year without a driver's license in semi-rural Pennsylvania, with my legs, a bicycle, and a bus pass. As for ease of access, if you can't buy a car 15 minutes from now you're either extremely poor or you're doing it wrong. Harder my ass.

Well, good for you, I guess? Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal. And while many residents of cities can get by without cars, that certainly isn't all, and those that could require others to have cars to supply them, move them any long distance, etc. Basically, many people and many businesses simply could not function in a modern way without cars. If people couldn't own guns, modern life would change very little, for those of us that aren't backwoods NRA types. And while you could buy a car, you a) need a licence to use it, which requires a test of safety and competence in operating it, b) need to register it with the state, and c) have to carry liability insurance in case you screw up and hurt someone or damage their property. Many, if not most, states have weaker laws on the conditions necessary to own a gun. Link


All of the things you cite about using cars is using them in public. You don't need a license, insurance or any other thing you bring up if used on private property. If I want to carry a firearm in public I have to go through much more than what I do do use a car in public.
 
2012-12-09 01:51:53 AM

eaglepuss: The "Safe Rides Program" for NFL players got canned earlier this year, so that was not a factor in this incident.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/09/report-leagues-safe-r i des-program-is-no-more/


That is an absolute farking failure on the part of the league and the union. They should make that a mandatory part of every rookie symposium, OTA, minicamp, and annual union meeting. When Braylon Edwards gets a DUI instead of taking the FREE GODDAMN LIMO the team provided, there is a failure in the system.
 
2012-12-09 02:02:33 AM

BoxOfBees: It's not legal to drive drunk, but it's also a very stupid personal choice to go out drinking with your friend and then get in his car as a passenger. How about make a plan to get home before you even go out? I don't always blame the victim, but when I do, I'm pretty sure he is owed a significant share of the blame.


I have a standing offer with my son: If he's had too much to drink or someone that drove him has had too much to drink....I'll pick him up, no questions asked.

My best friend's sister was killed by a drunk driver...it devastated him and his family. Ironically, he sought solace in the bottle and became an alcoholic (5 years sober now).
 
2012-12-09 02:13:46 AM
more intent to kill in this case than the trevon martin case.
 
2012-12-09 02:21:52 AM

xaks: MoeSzyslak: IAmRight: Guns have one reason for existing - to kill. But I suppose that's not a significant difference between them and cars or alcohol.

Yeah it's not possible to use a gun without killing. Also sometimes things need killing. Alcohol exists solely for people to get inebriated. I've yet to hear a compelling reason why people need to be inebriated.

Try a mirror?


and boom goes the vegemite!
 
2012-12-09 02:36:31 AM

knight_on_the_rail: xaks: MoeSzyslak: IAmRight: Guns have one reason for existing - to kill. But I suppose that's not a significant difference between them and cars or alcohol.

Yeah it's not possible to use a gun without killing. Also sometimes things need killing. Alcohol exists solely for people to get inebriated. I've yet to hear a compelling reason why people need to be inebriated.

Try a mirror?

and boom goes the vegemite!


Yeah he sure shot the shiat out of my obviously no longer valid point.
 
2012-12-09 02:47:13 AM

dlp211: rickythepenguin: jesus.

So is Bob Costas going to call for Prohibition?

Hey, remember when Bob Costas called for gun control, yea, neither do I. Words have meanings and a change of culture is not the same as instituting new laws.


Guess you need to go back and listen to when he "clarified" his statement then. That was pretty much exactly what he is calling for.
 
2012-12-09 02:56:40 AM
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RIP Jerry Browne
 
2012-12-09 10:02:07 AM

UNC_Samurai: eaglepuss: The "Safe Rides Program" for NFL players got canned earlier this year, so that was not a factor in this incident.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/09/report-leagues-safe-r i des-program-is-no-more/

That is an absolute farking failure on the part of the league and the union. They should make that a mandatory part of every rookie symposium, OTA, minicamp, and annual union meeting. When Braylon Edwards gets a DUI instead of taking the FREE GODDAMN LIMO the team provided, there is a failure in the system.


Oh but wait! Don't answer yet! Here's another piece to the puzzle! Let's just face it - no big, rich, macho, drunk guy is gonna ask for help: i.e. a ride home.
Link
 
2012-12-09 11:08:12 AM

eaglepuss: UNC_Samurai: eaglepuss: The "Safe Rides Program" for NFL players got canned earlier this year, so that was not a factor in this incident.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/09/report-leagues-safe-r i des-program-is-no-more/

That is an absolute farking failure on the part of the league and the union. They should make that a mandatory part of every rookie symposium, OTA, minicamp, and annual union meeting. When Braylon Edwards gets a DUI instead of taking the FREE GODDAMN LIMO the team provided, there is a failure in the system.

Oh but wait! Don't answer yet! Here's another piece to the puzzle! Let's just face it - no big, rich, macho, drunk guy is gonna ask for help: i.e. a ride home.
Link


It also costs $90/hour. Like the article says, it should be free (read: paid for collectively by the union through a small increase in fees).

The Jets knew/know their players are going to be out late sometimes at clubs or parties, so they provided a free limo:
cache.gawkerassets.com

I know I keep repeating those two words, and I realize there's a disconnect between us regular nobody and guys who we watch catch a football on TV - but the words "free limo service" should carry a lot of meaning even for the superstars.
 
2012-12-09 11:23:11 AM

UNC_Samurai: eaglepuss: UNC_Samurai: eaglepuss: The "Safe Rides Program" for NFL players got canned earlier this year, so that was not a factor in this incident.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/09/report-leagues-safe-r i des-program-is-no-more/

That is an absolute farking failure on the part of the league and the union. They should make that a mandatory part of every rookie symposium, OTA, minicamp, and annual union meeting. When Braylon Edwards gets a DUI instead of taking the FREE GODDAMN LIMO the team provided, there is a failure in the system.

Oh but wait! Don't answer yet! Here's another piece to the puzzle! Let's just face it - no big, rich, macho, drunk guy is gonna ask for help: i.e. a ride home.
Link

It also costs $90/hour. Like the article says, it should be free (read: paid for collectively by the union through a small increase in fees).

The Jets knew/know their players are going to be out late sometimes at clubs or parties, so they provided a free limo:
[cache.gawkerassets.com image 300x400]

I know I keep repeating those two words, and I realize there's a disconnect between us regular nobody and guys who we watch catch a football on TV - but the words "free limo service" should carry a lot of meaning even for the superstars.


I'm totally with you, UNC_Samurai.
 
2012-12-09 11:56:57 AM

MoeSzyslak: Do you know what a semi-automatic weapon is? You're not one of those we should only be allowed muskets people, are you? Also alcohol only exists to get people drunk and I can't think of a single reason any of us need to be drunk. Remove alcohol from this equation and Jerry Brown would still be alive. Right?


Do you think that anyone who knows anything about firearms is automatically pro-gun? That if someone has the GALL to not like something that you do like, that they must be completely ignorant of the subject? Because that is MIGHTY presumptuous of you.

No, I don't think we should only be allowed muskets. I never said anything even close to that. Here's the thing I've noticed about the pro-gun crowd: the issue is only black & white to them. It's almost like, if they compromise or admit to thinking about what kind of changes might make us all safer, that they have somehow betrayed their cause. There is a gray area.


tenpoundsofcheese: It doesn't farking matter how much over the limit he was.

The guy is still dead.

Or do you think the guy is less dead if the driver was at the limit?


The account of the accident said Mr Brent was driving at a high speed. It is possible to have an accident after drinking that was not caused by the alcohol. However, the responding officer said Mr Brent appeared to be impaired, so he probably was well over the legal limit. And no one implied that Mr Brent's BAC was proportional to Mr Brown's deadness. That's just absurd.
 
2012-12-09 12:55:44 PM
People want to put pot smokers in jail for this same reason driving under the influence. I think it is high time to ban alcohol all together and put alcohol drinkers in jail also. Drinkers are nothing more than self-centered losers looking to escape reality, when they drink they think they are above the rest. Time to put them in jail and make our streets safe to drive on again. I guy would be alive today if alcohol had been kept illegal.
 
2012-12-09 08:55:38 PM
Why should the NFL or their union have to proved free limo service to grown men. From the time I was my friends and I were old enough to go out we knew to always have a DD and this is when you could drink legally at 18.

No excuse for rich grown college educated adults to not know better.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-12-09 09:23:22 PM
Why should the NFL or their union have to proved free limo service to grown men.

Business reasons if nothing more. These players are worth around $100,000 per game each on average*. Collectively they have a history of poor judgment. If a limo service costing $500,000 per year around the league saves on average 5 player-games from drunken antics, it has paid for itself. By one report there's a two year minimum sentence in this case.

The teams could buy "player dies or goes to jail" insurance, and maybe they have, but there is a public relations cost from players having drunken wrecks. The NFL cares about image. It is one of the most valuable brands in the world.

* Ballpark figure from $100 million team salary divided by 50 players and 20 games per season.
 
2012-12-09 11:37:10 PM

Unoriginal Nick: SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: Not really a surprise. It always amazes me how guys with that much money fail to call a cab or at least have a ride set up. It's pretty sad.

All NFL players even have access to free car service at anytime and these idiots still don't use it.


They DO? Good Lord, I would go out and get drunk 60 miles from my house just FOR THAT.
 
2012-12-10 01:26:22 PM

MoeSzyslak: knight_on_the_rail: xaks: MoeSzyslak: IAmRight: Guns have one reason for existing - to kill. But I suppose that's not a significant difference between them and cars or alcohol.

Yeah it's not possible to use a gun without killing. Also sometimes things need killing. Alcohol exists solely for people to get inebriated. I've yet to hear a compelling reason why people need to be inebriated.

Try a mirror?

and boom goes the vegemite!

Yeah he sure shot the shiat out of my obviously no longer valid point.


I thought it was a clever jab at your Fark handle

/But it was probably just a troll comment
 
2012-12-10 05:25:49 PM

Di Atribe: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Neither of those are true. See: New York City, Chicago, etc. I myself went an entire year without a driver's license in semi-rural Pennsylvania, with my legs, a bicycle, and a bus pass. As for ease of access, if you can't buy a car 15 minutes from now you're either extremely poor or you're doing it wrong. Harder my ass.

Public transportation in DFW doesn't exactly run out to the high end neighborhoods. This entire paragraph is irrelevant to the issue at hand.


So? Then don't live in the sticks. You don't need a car, period. This is no different than the "but my neighborhood is dangerous!" justification for owning a gun. Fark you, move somewhere else.
 
2012-12-10 05:35:54 PM

IAmRight: you are a puppet: That's not true. We need guns to shoot paper, clay, and bowling pins.

No you don't. You can put holes in paper, clay, and bowling pins with a slingshot. But then you might actually have to have some coordination and athleticism.

You can take a pencil and do as much damage to a paper target as you do with a bullet. More satisfying, too.


Just like you can take the farking bus to work. There is no reason that individuals should be allowed to operate a multi-ton guided missile. It should be left to the professionals.
 
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