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(Seattle Times)   Conservatives in Washington state contemplate mass exodus after voters approve legal pot and gay marriage. FTA: "I feel like I'm living in pagan Rome"   (seattletimes.com ) divider line
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2012-12-08 02:03:25 PM  
Now hold on. I thought conservatives were champions of freedom and libertarianism.
 
2012-12-08 02:07:04 PM  
Did they complain when Washington gained medical weed?
 
2012-12-08 02:09:02 PM  
"I feel like I'm living in pagan Rome," said Dan Kennedy, CEO of Human Life of Washington, who has worked on conservative issues here since 2000. "I just couldn't believe we had gone that far."

Imagine the majority of the state ignoring self-righteous assholes as yourself, Dan. I can see why you find it intolerable. You should move somewhere more suited to your tastes. Like Afghanistan, for instance.
 
2012-12-08 02:10:21 PM  
Holy shiat. That's all it takes?

Come on, home state, we can do this!
 
2012-12-08 02:11:08 PM  
Please do NOT move to California

/we have enough conservative crybabies as it is
 
2012-12-08 02:12:54 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Please do NOT move to California

/we have enough conservative crybabies as it is


Washington's conservative crybabies probably moved FROM California in the first place because the "taxes were too high".
 
2012-12-08 02:14:08 PM  
Unfortunately, the Virginia border is closed. Please go to West VA, they like idiots conservatives.
 
2012-12-08 02:14:49 PM  
Now, she's compiling notes for a book she's tentatively titled, "A Conservative Fish in Liberal Sea(ttle)."

"It's hard to always be around people who disagree with me," says Lisa Kennedy. "Abortion, gay marriage - I either have to hold my tongue around them or start an argument."


Welcome to the farking club. We're mostly atheists, though, so that'll take some getting used to.
 
2012-12-08 02:16:38 PM  
They'll get over it.
 
2012-12-08 02:16:50 PM  

themindiswatching: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Please do NOT move to California

/we have enough conservative crybabies as it is

Washington's conservative crybabies probably moved FROM California in the first place because the "taxes were too high".


Good point

/hopefully it will discourage them from coming back, too
 
2012-12-08 02:20:05 PM  
Nah, once they realize there's not going to be any fire and/or brimstone, they'll stay.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-08 02:27:10 PM  
One more reason to support both.
 
2012-12-08 02:49:26 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: "I feel like I'm living in pagan Rome," said Dan Kennedy, CEO of Human Life of Washington, who has worked on conservative issues here since 2000. "I just couldn't believe we had gone that far."

Imagine the majority of the state ignoring self-righteous assholes as yourself, Dan. I can see why you find it intolerable. You should move somewhere more suited to your tastes. Like Afghanistan, for instance.


or Alabama
 
2012-12-08 03:04:14 PM  
Besides, Wilbur quipped, "Our hope is people smoke enough pot, they'll forget to vote, and then we'll win."

The history with Prohibition suggests otherwise.
 
2012-12-08 03:06:42 PM  

Also....

whyevolutionistrue.files.wordpress.com



(joke swiped from Jerry Coyne)
 
2012-12-08 03:20:32 PM  
What a bunch of whiny crybabies. Waaaah! stop liking stuff I don't like!

I wonder if the little pussy knows that he's not required to smoke up and get gay married. Maybe these conservative shiatheads should be a little more honest about what they mean by "freedom"

"Free" but only free to be just like them. That's not free at all.
 
2012-12-08 03:29:06 PM  
DeWolf, a Catholic, sees the votes as "sort of a reversion to a less developed way of living," he said. "The impulse here is a kind of selfish, me-oriented way of not wanting to think about the impact my behavior might have on the rest of society."

see, this right here worries me. this is a very authoritarian mind set. basically, this guy is saying that the ONLY valid form of society is to accept his view of how things are to be done. if you do anything differently (gay marriage, legalize pot being the two given examples) then society is going to completely fall apart. he doesn't accept ANY other way of doing things, because his entire belief system says that you cannot trust humans to behave without strict social/legal/economic controls on their behavior.
 
2012-12-08 03:46:15 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: "I feel like I'm living in pagan Rome," said Dan Kennedy, CEO of Human Life of Washington, who has worked on conservative issues here since 2000. "I just couldn't believe we had gone that far."

Imagine the majority of the state ignoring self-righteous assholes as yourself, Dan. I can see why you find it intolerable. You should move somewhere more suited to your tastes. Like Afghanistan, for instance.


It's ironic that a man that devotes so much time to interfering with the rights of women, and picketing abortion clinics is feeling impinged upon.
 
2012-12-08 04:19:26 PM  

Gwendolyn: Marcus Aurelius: "I feel like I'm living in pagan Rome," said Dan Kennedy, CEO of Human Life of Washington, who has worked on conservative issues here since 2000. "I just couldn't believe we had gone that far."

Imagine the majority of the state ignoring self-righteous assholes as yourself, Dan. I can see why you find it intolerable. You should move somewhere more suited to your tastes. Like Afghanistan, for instance.

or Alabama


I was thinking that Alabama is farked up enough already.... but he'd be right at home.
 
2012-12-08 04:21:06 PM  

AbbeySomeone: Marcus Aurelius: "I feel like I'm living in pagan Rome," said Dan Kennedy, CEO of Human Life of Washington, who has worked on conservative issues here since 2000. "I just couldn't believe we had gone that far."

Imagine the majority of the state ignoring self-righteous assholes as yourself, Dan. I can see why you find it intolerable. You should move somewhere more suited to your tastes. Like Afghanistan, for instance.

It's ironic that a man that devotes so much time to interfering with the rights of women, and picketing abortion clinics is feeling impinged upon.


By something that doesn't affect him in the slightest, no less.
 
2012-12-08 04:23:28 PM  
Allowing consenting adults to voluntarily engage in a mild intoxicant and enter into legally binding relationships IS DESTROYING OUR FREEDOM!!1!
 
2012-12-08 04:23:34 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Gwendolyn: Marcus Aurelius: "I feel like I'm living in pagan Rome," said Dan Kennedy, CEO of Human Life of Washington, who has worked on conservative issues here since 2000. "I just couldn't believe we had gone that far."

Imagine the majority of the state ignoring self-righteous assholes as yourself, Dan. I can see why you find it intolerable. You should move somewhere more suited to your tastes. Like Afghanistan, for instance.

or Alabama

I was thinking that Alabama is farked up enough already.... but he'd be right at home.


Except he's Catholic. The other groups of religious nuts good Christians would burn crosses on his lawn, or something like that.
 
2012-12-08 04:51:40 PM  

St_Francis_P: Now hold on. I thought conservatives were champions of freedom and libertarianism.


Their freedom and their libertarianism, but not yours, mine or the gay couple who want to toke up.
 
2012-12-08 04:56:34 PM  

St_Francis_P: Marcus Aurelius: Gwendolyn: Marcus Aurelius: "I feel like I'm living in pagan Rome," said Dan Kennedy, CEO of Human Life of Washington, who has worked on conservative issues here since 2000. "I just couldn't believe we had gone that far."

Imagine the majority of the state ignoring self-righteous assholes as yourself, Dan. I can see why you find it intolerable. You should move somewhere more suited to your tastes. Like Afghanistan, for instance.

or Alabama

I was thinking that Alabama is farked up enough already.... but he'd be right at home.

Except he's Catholic. The other groups of religious nuts good Christians would burn crosses on his lawn, or something like that.


He might like that sort of thing. It would be a refreshing change from being surrounded by heathen liberals.
 
2012-12-08 05:11:19 PM  
Seeya.
 
2012-12-08 05:15:35 PM  
10th Amendment, sound familiar?
 
2012-12-08 05:34:55 PM  
www.gardensofthewildwildwest.com 

He'd be right at home.
 
2012-12-08 05:44:46 PM  
That's funny, I've been contemplating moving to WA State for a few months now...
 
2012-12-08 05:55:42 PM  
He, too, thinks about ancient Rome. "The introduction of Christianity was the introduction of a way of understanding ourselves that says we're made for better things, we're capable of real charity and concern for one another and living a life of virtue."

Think about the implications of this statement for a moment - this guy is saying that ONLY Christians are able to be charitable, build communities and live virtuous lives. Pagans, in his view, were little more than animals. by further implication, NO civilization prior to the advent of Christianity had the capacity for virtue. that is a very insulting and dangerous way of looking at the world. If you assume that only your religion is valid, that ONLY your way of life is the true, proper way to do things...can you even tolerate a democratic style of government? democracy assumes that you adopt a 'live and let live' attitude towards different ideologies. If your view is that ONLY Christians are capable of virtue, that's going to cause conflict within the community you try to build. you either force people to convert, or you purge them from your community. you CANNOT allow others to exist, because in your world view they're evil and immoral...not just evil but spiritually corrupt without the saving grace of your god, they're animals without souls.
 
2012-12-08 06:07:37 PM  
"It's hard to always be around people who disagree with me," says Lisa Kennedy. "Abortion, gay marriage - I either have to hold my tongue around them or start an argument."

Anybody telling you what to do or not do? No? It's just you wanting to tell others how to live? Then have a nice cup of STFU, you ridiculous twunt.
 
2012-12-08 06:11:16 PM  

dudemanbro: "It's hard to always be around people who disagree with me," says Lisa Kennedy. "Abortion, gay marriage - I either have to hold my tongue around them or start an argument."

Anybody telling you what to do or not do? No? It's just you wanting to tell others how to live? Then have a nice cup of STFU, you ridiculous twunt.


people like this are going to have a LOT of difficulty dealing with our society as it changes and moves away from authoritarian religious views.
 
2012-12-08 06:15:30 PM  

Weaver95: He, too, thinks about ancient Rome. "The introduction of Christianity was the introduction of a way of understanding ourselves that says we're made for better things, we're capable of real charity and concern for one another and living a life of virtue."

Think about the implications of this statement for a moment - this guy is saying that ONLY Christians are able to be charitable, build communities and live virtuous lives. Pagans, in his view, were little more than animals. by further implication, NO civilization prior to the advent of Christianity had the capacity for virtue. that is a very insulting and dangerous way of looking at the world. If you assume that only your religion is valid, that ONLY your way of life is the true, proper way to do things...can you even tolerate a democratic style of government? democracy assumes that you adopt a 'live and let live' attitude towards different ideologies. If your view is that ONLY Christians are capable of virtue, that's going to cause conflict within the community you try to build. you either force people to convert, or you purge them from your community. you CANNOT allow others to exist, because in your world view they're evil and immoral...not just evil but spiritually corrupt without the saving grace of your god, they're animals without souls.


Not every American shares the same idea of what freedom means. There are plenty of people here who only believe in freedom so much as it pertains to their own interests. The Founders knew this, and it's why they set our system up with checks and balances the way they did. It's not perfect, but it's kept us out of too much trouble thus far.
 
2012-12-08 06:17:51 PM  
I helped vote against stuff this whining little dipsh*t doesn't like.

81% of Washington State's registered voters voted in 2012. This was a record of some kind. The Republican Secretary of State, a moderate who goes back to the 1990s certified the election. He helped facilitate the high voter turnout. Noteworthy to the nation: A Republican in Washington State helped facilitate vote-by-mail and other improvements to raise participation.

See, Ohio and Florida? It isnt that difficult.
 
2012-12-08 06:18:56 PM  
As long as they don't come here.
 
2012-12-08 06:25:35 PM  
Oh, if only. GTFO my liberal haven and let the door hit you on the backside.
 
2012-12-08 06:26:25 PM  

make me some tea:
Not every American shares the same idea of what freedom means. There are plenty of people here who only believe in freedom so much as it pertains to their own interests. The Founders knew this, and it's why they set our system up with checks and balances the way they did. It's not perfect, but it's kept us out of too much trouble thus far.


well as long as this guy and his buddies are just being whiny biatches about it rather than blowing things up, I guess I can live with it. but still...this attitude worries me.
 
2012-12-08 06:33:26 PM  

Weaver95: make me some tea:
Not every American shares the same idea of what freedom means. There are plenty of people here who only believe in freedom so much as it pertains to their own interests. The Founders knew this, and it's why they set our system up with checks and balances the way they did. It's not perfect, but it's kept us out of too much trouble thus far.

well as long as this guy and his buddies are just being whiny biatches about it rather than blowing things up, I guess I can live with it. but still...this attitude worries me.


It's unsettling, but in the grand scheme of things not unusual to our history.
 
2012-12-08 06:41:27 PM  

make me some tea: Weaver95: make me some tea:
Not every American shares the same idea of what freedom means. There are plenty of people here who only believe in freedom so much as it pertains to their own interests. The Founders knew this, and it's why they set our system up with checks and balances the way they did. It's not perfect, but it's kept us out of too much trouble thus far.

well as long as this guy and his buddies are just being whiny biatches about it rather than blowing things up, I guess I can live with it. but still...this attitude worries me.

It's unsettling, but in the grand scheme of things not unusual to our history.


I *really* don't like that viewpoint tho. it's highly un-american. going around believing that ONLY your religion is valid....that's the sort of thing that spawns ugly religious wars and genocidal purges.
 
2012-12-08 06:42:28 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Oh, if only. GTFO my liberal haven and let the door hit you on the backside.


Favorited, Seattle. Quick, favorite bar
 
2012-12-08 06:44:28 PM  
api.ning.com 
Why do I have to be the one to post this? You all fail.
 
2012-12-08 06:53:06 PM  

Weaver95: I *really* don't like that viewpoint tho. it's highly un-american. going around believing that ONLY your religion is valid....that's the sort of thing that spawns ugly religious wars and genocidal purges.


Preaching to the choir here, but we have to give them the space to express themselves, regardless. Every example you've ever seen of suppression of this sort of thing has led to violence. We don't have too much religious violence in this country compared to others because we are, overall, very tolerant of many viewpoints, moreso than pretty much any other country. If we're exceptional at anything, this is where we excel. It does allow for a lot derp, but it also allows the rest of us to mock those who derp.
 
2012-12-08 06:56:24 PM  

make me some tea: Weaver95: I *really* don't like that viewpoint tho. it's highly un-american. going around believing that ONLY your religion is valid....that's the sort of thing that spawns ugly religious wars and genocidal purges.

Preaching to the choir here, but we have to give them the space to express themselves, regardless. Every example you've ever seen of suppression of this sort of thing has led to violence. We don't have too much religious violence in this country compared to others because we are, overall, very tolerant of many viewpoints, moreso than pretty much any other country. If we're exceptional at anything, this is where we excel. It does allow for a lot derp, but it also allows the rest of us to mock those who derp.


point taken.
 
2012-12-08 06:58:12 PM  
Christian virtues, which he believes were ignored in this election, have created "much of what we value in society," DeWolf said. "In my mind, this is an unhappy reversion to a pagan understanding of ourselves and of society."

Mr. DeWolf, I do not know of your history. But being a conservative Christian, I can only imagine that you have fought tooth and nail to deny the sorts of things Jesus would have provided for his people, were he an elected official. So don't hand me any sh*t about your values being ignored when it's 'conservatives' like you ignoring damn near everything Jesus stood for.
 
2012-12-08 07:08:41 PM  
Brave Sir Derper ran away.
("No!")
Bravely ran away away.
("I didn't!")
When libs reared their ugly heads,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
("no!")
Yes, brave Sir Derper turned about
("I didn't!")
And gallantly he chickened out.
****Bravely**** taking
("I never did!")
to his feet,
He beat a very brave retreat.
("all lies!")
Bravest of the braaaave, Sir Derper!
 
2012-12-08 07:11:40 PM  
Turn east on I-90 and drive straight on 'til morning.
 
2012-12-08 07:18:16 PM  
...but seriously, some of the quotes in this article made me want to convulse. I am so, so happy that my state decided to place individual liberties ahead of antiquated repressive "values".
 
2012-12-08 07:18:59 PM  
"I feel like I'm living in pagan Rome"

Yes, being told that other people are doing things that your particular interpretation of your particular religion doesn't particularly approve of (but really don't affect you at all) is the equivalent of being thrown to the lions, crucified or dipped in pitch and set aflame.

And then that biatch at Walmart actually said "Happy Holidays" to you!


WILL THIS OPPRESSION NEVER END????

 
2012-12-08 07:24:58 PM  

Weaver95: make me some tea: Weaver95: I *really* don't like that viewpoint tho. it's highly un-american. going around believing that ONLY your religion is valid....that's the sort of thing that spawns ugly religious wars and genocidal purges.

Preaching to the choir here, but we have to give them the space to express themselves, regardless. Every example you've ever seen of suppression of this sort of thing has led to violence. We don't have too much religious violence in this country compared to others because we are, overall, very tolerant of many viewpoints, moreso than pretty much any other country. If we're exceptional at anything, this is where we excel. It does allow for a lot derp, but it also allows the rest of us to mock those who derp.

point taken.



Let's just hope they haven't thought their cunning philosophy all the way through to the end, yet.
 
2012-12-08 07:27:29 PM  
How about the United States altogether? I hear the weather in Saudi Arabia is nice. Uganda is also a pleasant climate for social conservatives.
 
2012-12-08 07:27:37 PM  
What have the Romans ever done for us?
 
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