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(Slate)   NASA's 1970s conceptual drawings of space colonies still looking pretty freaking cool   (slate.com) divider line 84
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2012-12-08 06:46:15 PM  
I thought I would be living on one of these. Instead, I have a phone I can play music on. This future sucks.
 
2012-12-08 06:47:48 PM  
And in 2012, they're still not funded.
 
2012-12-08 07:07:12 PM  
Fark that. Where's my goddamn flying car?!
 
2012-12-08 07:29:36 PM  

Generation_D: And in 2012, they're still not funded.


They still don't make sense either. Fantasy poster art is not engineering, n'en déplaise au Space Nutters. 

It was just an idle daydream. It's not possible, and it never will be. Ever.
 
2012-12-08 07:32:26 PM  
"Back in the 1970s, NASA's Ames Research Center conducted three space colony studies...Perhaps the most famous of these circular rotating stations were those of Space Station V, depicted in the movie 2001: A Space Odyssey"

2001: Spacy Odyssey was released in 1968.
 
2012-12-08 07:32:45 PM  
Cool perhaps, but also very silly.
 
2012-12-08 07:38:30 PM  
img844.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-08 07:40:13 PM  
Why would you move all that shiat into space when you can use it on another planetary body instead?

ie, Moon colonies are easier than that bullshiat.
 
2012-12-08 07:46:18 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Generation_D: And in 2012, they're still not funded.

They still don't make sense either. Fantasy poster art is not engineering, n'en déplaise au Space Nutters. 

It was just an idle daydream. It's not possible, and it never will be. Ever.


Yeah, so long as there's no need for them there'll be no sense in making them so we won't have them.

maniacbastard: Why would you move all that shiat into space when you can use it on another planetary body instead?

ie, Moon colonies are easier than that bullshiat.


Yeah, there seems to be little point in building a space colony like that.

However what we might see in a few hundred years, if man is still alive, that since we can't go faster than light we should make giant space colonies that can fly to other star systems so that we can have a planet for the French, a planet for the Chinese, and we'll all be much happier. So building small space colonies can still teach us things, and make us learn new construction methods that will be of use in other areas.
 
2012-12-08 07:56:12 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org

Who's with me? Anyone?... oh well, I guess I still have Puck to hang out with...
 
2012-12-08 07:59:17 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Generation_D: And in 2012, they're still not funded.

They still don't make sense either. Fantasy poster art is not engineering, n'en déplaise au Space Nutters. 

It was just an idle daydream. It's not possible, and it never will be. Ever.


Are you the same guy that everything that could be patented has been?
 
2012-12-08 08:02:20 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: It was just an idle daydream. It's not possible, and it never will be. Ever.


Awwww, sounds like someone's atoms are getting old. I'll 3D print you some youth elixir and you'll be right as rain.
 
2012-12-08 08:17:14 PM  
It will never happen. How could we shift that much mass up the gravity well? Space elevators are nowhere on the horizon and the planet will be irretrievably farked within a few decades.We had a brief window and we turned away. We have doomed ourselves.
 
2012-12-08 08:25:39 PM  
images.dvdsea.com

Approves.

/JMS basically stole the design of the Babylon stations from Gerard O'Neil.
 
2012-12-08 08:32:09 PM  
static.guim.co.uk
 
2012-12-08 08:49:41 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: It's not possible,


Until we decide to do it. Then it'll be very possible.
 
2012-12-08 09:18:01 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Quantum Apostrophe: It's not possible,

Until we decide to do it. Then it'll be very possible.


This is QA, he'll ask you how old atoms are, and whether or not you can 3d print some new elements that are hiding in the periodic table. He's the Bevets of space.
 
2012-12-08 09:33:12 PM  

Philboy52: [upload.wikimedia.org image 300x361]

Who's with me? Anyone?... oh well, I guess I still have Puck to hang out with...


1. The book series is really good.
2. I own that game and played the crap out of it back in the day.
 
2012-12-08 09:56:35 PM  
www.slate.com

Why go through the trouble of building a suspension bridge when you are the ones building the lake?
 
2012-12-08 09:56:46 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Generation_D: And in 2012, they're still not funded.

They still don't make sense either. Fantasy poster art is not engineering, n'en déplaise au Space Nutters. 

It was just an idle daydream. It's not possible, and it never will be. Ever.


If you honestly believe we will never, ever have groups of people living permanently/semi-permanently somewhere other than Earth you're a complete farking moron. I hope your dream of having your lifespan doubled or tripled comes true just so you can have your face rubbed in it.

Yes, it is silly to think there are going to be radical changes in the next few years, etc. But it is even stupid to think it won't happen, ever.
 
2012-12-08 10:29:20 PM  
Quantum Apostrophe: Generation_D: And in 2012, they're still not funded.

They still don't make sense either. Fantasy poster art is not engineering, n'en déplaise au Space Nutters.

It was just an idle daydream. It's not possible, and it never will be. Ever.

If you honestly believe we will never, ever have groups of people living permanently/semi-permanently somewhere other than Earth you're a complete farking moron. I hope your dream of having your lifespan doubled or tripled comes true just so you can have your face rubbed in it.

Yes, it is silly to think there are going to be radical changes in the next few years, etc. But it is even stupid to think it won't happen, ever.


L5 in 95!


Link
 
2012-12-08 10:39:06 PM  
Sounds all good and well until the Principality of Zeon starts trying to drop colonies on the planet to force the rest of us to move into space.
 
2012-12-08 10:43:58 PM  

OhioKnight:
L5 in 95!


Founded by Keith and Caroline. Or better known to the community is Mr. & Mrs. Darth Vader.
 
2012-12-08 10:45:37 PM  

entropic_existence: If you honestly believe we will never, ever have groups of people living permanently/semi-permanently somewhere other than Earth you're a complete farking moron.


Um, get angry much?

Seriously.
 
2012-12-08 10:57:30 PM  
I actually have a copy of the original study from a summer program I attended in 1989. It goes into quite a bit of detail on everything from getting the initial resources into space, mining, refining, and manufacturing of the structure utilizing lunar and/or asteroids for raw materials (it wouldn't be purely prefab sections hauled up from earth), to detailed maintenance requirements of the station once completed. A good read if you're into that sort of thing:

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-08 11:02:07 PM  

maniacbastard: Why would you move all that shiat into space when you can use it on another planetary body instead?

ie, Moon colonies are easier than that bullshiat.


"I don't want to live on this planet anymore"
 
2012-12-08 11:06:44 PM  

Suede head: It will never happen. How could we shift that much mass up the gravity well? Space elevators are nowhere on the horizon and the planet will be irretrievably farked within a few decades.We had a brief window and we turned away. We have doomed ourselves.


If something like that is built, it will be from asteroid derived resources. There are alot of near-earth asteroids.
 
2012-12-08 11:07:54 PM  

maniacbastard: Why would you move all that shiat into space when you can use it on another planetary body instead?

ie, Moon colonies are easier than that bullshiat.


For one thing, if you construct on some other body, you're stuck with that particular gravity force. With a station, you have control via the spin and can generate earth-normal 1-G around the main habitable zone. This allows for long-term habitation without the requirement for constant resistive exercise to maintain muscle mass. You also get the benefit of having lower gravity zones as you get closer to the axis of rotation, for functions that would benefit from zero-g/microgravity.
 
2012-12-08 11:08:12 PM  

SN1987a goes boom: Sounds all good and well until the Principality of Zeon starts trying to drop colonies on the planet to force the rest of us to move into space.


images1.wikia.nocookie.net

Approves

/I liked Zechs, better, though
 
2012-12-08 11:09:39 PM  

maniacbastard: Why would you move all that shiat into space when you can use it on another planetary body instead?

ie, Moon colonies are easier than that bullshiat.


The moon still has a fair sized gravity well. Why not convert Eris?
 
2012-12-08 11:19:21 PM  

CipollinaFan: Why go through the trouble of building a suspension bridge when you are the ones building the lake?


Because fark you we're in space, that's why.
 
2012-12-08 11:27:37 PM  
Those are cool, but there isn't much chance we will see anything like that in our life time...unless QA gets on the stick and figures out how to make us immortal.

I ended up doing the math thing last week and figured out that six BA2100s would be about 15 times the volume of the ISS.

I suppose that would be a good start.
 
2012-12-08 11:44:28 PM  

Baron Harkonnen: entropic_existence: If you honestly believe we will never, ever have groups of people living permanently/semi-permanently somewhere other than Earth you're a complete farking moron.

Um, get angry much?

Seriously.


QA comes in to every thread about space and does this thread-shiatting. It's not exactly a one time thing, hence the exasperation.
 
2012-12-08 11:59:36 PM  
There is nothing but economics stopping those designs from being realized. The engineering is sound, in fact, it would be easier to build them now, than thirty years ago, but we lack the money and will to start something that big.

I remember how fired-up the O'Neil stuff got me in my late teens, and my frustration at the glacial pace of actual programs. We need something to re-align the human race's sense of vision. To dream big, and to dream beyond one man's span.
 
2012-12-09 12:01:25 AM  
Perhaps the most famous of these circular rotating stations were those of Space Station V, depicted in the movie 2001: A Space Odyssey-which now seem brilliant: The centrifugal force created by the rotation would have an effect indistinguishable from gravity

The station will have to be several kilometers across in order for "gravity" to feel natural. Otherwise it'll feel like you're spinning in a centrifuge (which, to be fair, you are).
 
2012-12-09 12:20:29 AM  
Nice to see I'm not the only one that saw Gundam in a heart beat.

/I want to live on Side 7
//take Gundam myself, not be an emo about it
 
2012-12-09 12:32:15 AM  

dethmagnetic: Perhaps the most famous of these circular rotating stations were those of Space Station V, depicted in the movie 2001: A Space Odyssey-which now seem brilliant: The centrifugal force created by the rotation would have an effect indistinguishable from gravity

The station will have to be several kilometers across in order for "gravity" to feel natural. Otherwise it'll feel like you're spinning in a centrifuge (which, to be fair, you are).


Indeed. "Indistinguishable" except for all the barfing. But this is Fark on a Saturday night so I hardly think anybody would notice the difference.
 
2012-12-09 12:41:54 AM  
Key party, picture four lower right hand corner.

/Plus 'fro.
//The 1970's were groovy.
 
2012-12-09 12:48:51 AM  

MadRocketScientist: For one thing, if you construct on some other body, you're stuck with that particular gravity force. With a station, you have control via the spin and can generate earth-normal 1-G around the main habitable zone. This allows for long-term habitation without the requirement for constant resistive exercise to maintain muscle mass. You also get the benefit of having lower gravity zones as you get closer to the axis of rotation, for functions that would benefit from zero-g/microgravity.


well sure, I understand that much, but if bone loss rates and other detrimental effects of low g are not present (which we won't know because some farkhead canceled the ISS centrifuge) on the Moon's 1/6 g then variable gravity is not so beneficial.

I would understand the conversion of an asteroid into a station like those to create a more useful shape, moving it would be a biatch, but that could be done as well.
 
2012-12-09 12:58:28 AM  

Slaxl: WhyteRaven74: Quantum Apostrophe: It's not possible,

Until we decide to do it. Then it'll be very possible.

This is QA, he'll ask you how old atoms are, and whether or not you can 3d print some new elements that are hiding in the periodic table. He's the Bevets of space.


No; he's a very successful troll. He makes one post and has a dozen people flame him.

I doubt he ACTUALLY believes 10% of what he claims to believe.
 
2012-12-09 01:02:16 AM  

SewerSquirrels: dethmagnetic: Perhaps the most famous of these circular rotating stations were those of Space Station V, depicted in the movie 2001: A Space Odyssey-which now seem brilliant: The centrifugal force created by the rotation would have an effect indistinguishable from gravity

The station will have to be several kilometers across in order for "gravity" to feel natural. Otherwise it'll feel like you're spinning in a centrifuge (which, to be fair, you are).

Indeed. "Indistinguishable" except for all the barfing. But this is Fark on a Saturday night so I hardly think anybody would notice the difference.


Instead of building a huge wheel, how about just a long cable with a counterweight on the other end?
 
2012-12-09 01:03:06 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: It was just an idle daydream. It's not possible, and it never will be. Ever.


Ha sweet! You're still in these threads.
I love your positivity and "can-do" attitude!

It's cool to know that you've visited the future and know for certain 100% that nothing ever is possible.

/go to stone age
//ask if they think man will ever walk on the moon
/your argument is now invalid
 
2012-12-09 01:06:33 AM  
Where the fark is my jet pack ?
 
2012-12-09 01:49:03 AM  

Suede head: It will never happen. How could we shift that much mass up the gravity well? Space elevators are nowhere on the horizon and the planet will be irretrievably farked within a few decades.We had a brief window and we turned away. We have doomed ourselves.


I bet you're a blast at parties.
 
2012-12-09 02:42:21 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Generation_D: And in 2012, they're still not funded.

They still don't make sense either. Fantasy poster art is not engineering, n'en déplaise au Space Nutters. 

It was just an idle daydream. It's not possible, and it never will be. Ever.


Oh, it's you.
 
2012-12-09 02:45:17 AM  

Wrencher: maniacbastard: Why would you move all that shiat into space when you can use it on another planetary body instead?

ie, Moon colonies are easier than that bullshiat.

"I don't want to live on this planet anymore"


i.chzbgr.com
 
2012-12-09 02:54:58 AM  

jtown: Wrencher: maniacbastard: Why would you move all that shiat into space when you can use it on another planetary body instead?

ie, Moon colonies are easier than that bullshiat.

"I don't want to live on this planet anymore"

[i.chzbgr.com image 500x375]


Oh Titty Sprinkles
 
2012-12-09 02:59:22 AM  
Aren't the toroids the most feasible? Like TFA/Plait says, you have to go big to take advantage of the coriolis effect, and the toroids can do large diameter but small width.

/ I like space and sci-fi, but I couldn't live on a space station. Being one micrometeorite strike away from explosive decompression would worry me too much
 
2012-12-09 04:10:38 AM  

starsrift: Aren't the toroids the most feasible? Like TFA/Plait says, you have to go big to take advantage of the coriolis effect, and the toroids can do large diameter but small width.

/ I like space and sci-fi, but I couldn't live on a space station. Being one micrometeorite strike away from explosive decompression would worry me too much


Just try not to think about how there could be a cosmic particle blasting it's way toward your DNA right now and there's not a goddamn thing you can do about it.
 
2012-12-09 05:24:04 AM  

entropic_existence: Baron Harkonnen: entropic_existence: If you honestly believe we will never, ever have groups of people living permanently/semi-permanently somewhere other than Earth you're a complete farking moron.

Um, get angry much?

Seriously.

QA comes in to every thread about space and does this thread-shiatting. It's not exactly a one time thing, hence the exasperation.


i swear, it's like an astronaut touched his rocket, when he was a kid.
 
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