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2012-12-08 05:41:45 PM
Yes, but will the new TARDIS come equipped with one of those new TARDIS Fridge thingies inside or would that be like dividing the universe by zero while crossing the streams?
 
2012-12-08 06:44:16 PM
Somebody refresh my memory -- when was the last time they changed it? Was it when Matt Smith took over, or before then?
 
2012-12-08 07:03:37 PM

phaseolus: Somebody refresh my memory -- when was the last time they changed it? Was it when Matt Smith took over, or before then?


When Matt Smith came on. I thought it was a new TARDIS with a new incarnation. But I know Matt Smith is staying another 2 years at least. So....this is weird.
 
2012-12-08 07:06:28 PM
They changed the desktop again? Yay!
 
2012-12-08 07:08:55 PM
Well that isn't surprising, it usually happens when the star of the show leaves and now Amy Pond is gone so...
 
2012-12-08 07:09:11 PM
... interior, subby. Troll about the new series if you want, but don't troll about that.

/though I would applaud a move that daring.
 
2012-12-08 07:09:15 PM

kimwim: phaseolus: Somebody refresh my memory -- when was the last time they changed it? Was it when Matt Smith took over, or before then?

When Matt Smith came on. I thought it was a new TARDIS with a new incarnation. But I know Matt Smith is staying another 2 years at least. So....this is weird.


Not really; they changed the TARDIS control room for Tom Baker's 2nd series (the really cool wood and brass
Edwardian styled one), but had to change it back because all the fine wood warped during the break between
series 2 and 3.

In theory, The Doctor could change the control room whenever he wants; the way its described in THE DOCTOR'S
WIFE, the process of creating a control room is not unlike applying a desktop manager in X (for all you Linux-y
types out there).
 
2012-12-08 07:35:12 PM

quatchi: Yes, but will the new TARDIS come equipped with one of those new TARDIS Fridge thingies inside or would that be like dividing the universe by zero while crossing the streams?


No, but it will come equipped with one of these: 
cdn2-b.examiner.com
 
2012-12-08 07:38:37 PM

NeoCortex42: quatchi: Yes, but will the new TARDIS come equipped with one of those new TARDIS Fridge thingies inside or would that be like dividing the universe by zero while crossing the streams?

No, but it will come equipped with one of these: 
[cdn2-b.examiner.com image 485x350]


I'd rather it came with a new Doctor...
 
2012-12-08 07:42:25 PM

NeoCortex42: No, but it will come equipped with one of these:


[J-LC]

[want]

I'm there with bells on.

/Wot? It's a Christmas show, innit?
 
2012-12-08 07:44:21 PM

diaphoresis: NeoCortex42: quatchi: Yes, but will the new TARDIS come equipped with one of those new TARDIS Fridge thingies inside or would that be like dividing the universe by zero while crossing the streams?

No, but it will come equipped with one of these: 
[cdn2-b.examiner.com image 485x350]

I'd rather it came with a new Doctor...


At least Matt Smith isn't acting with his teeth yet.
 
2012-12-08 07:45:34 PM

phaseolus: Somebody refresh my memory -- when was the last time they changed it? Was it when Matt Smith took over, or before then?


I'm really surprised they didn't make a more dramatic change when Smith came on the show. The idea of the interior being the interior of a living being was left over from RTD.
 
2012-12-08 07:53:17 PM

NeoCortex42: quatchi: Yes, but will the new TARDIS come equipped with one of those new TARDIS Fridge thingies inside or would that be like dividing the universe by zero while crossing the streams?

No, but it will come equipped with one

two of these: 
cdn2-b.examiner.com


FTFY

blastr.com

"They're called Etheric Beam Locators, and they're fabulous!"
 
2012-12-08 07:55:58 PM

DjangoStonereaver: NeoCortex42: quatchi: Yes, but will the new TARDIS come equipped with one of those new TARDIS Fridge thingies inside or would that be like dividing the universe by zero while crossing the streams?

No, but it will come equipped with one two of these: 


FTFY



"They're called Etheric Beam Locators, and they're fabulous!"


Dr Who meets AbFab? Saffy won't be happy.
 
2012-12-08 08:16:46 PM

quatchi: Yes, but will the new TARDIS come equipped with one of those new TARDIS Fridge thingies inside or would that be like dividing the universe by zero while crossing the streams?


Well, they had an episode where a TARDIS materialized around another TARDIS...
 
2012-12-08 08:25:49 PM

wippit: Well, they had an episode where a TARDIS materialized around another TARDIS...


Well, don't keep us in suspense, did the universe blow up or not?

Oh sorry, spoilers. Never mind.
 
2012-12-08 08:26:52 PM

KawaiiNot: DjangoStonereaver: NeoCortex42: quatchi: Yes, but will the new TARDIS come equipped with one of those new TARDIS Fridge thingies inside or would that be like dividing the universe by zero while crossing the streams?

No, but it will come equipped with one two of these: 


FTFY



"They're called Etheric Beam Locators, and they're fabulous!"

Dr Who meets AbFab? Saffy won't be happy.


She really wasn't.

Google 'Curse of Fatal Death' and you'll see just what Saffy thought of that particular regeneration.
 
2012-12-08 08:44:28 PM

DjangoStonereaver: kimwim: phaseolus: Somebody refresh my memory -- when was the last time they changed it? Was it when Matt Smith took over, or before then?

When Matt Smith came on. I thought it was a new TARDIS with a new incarnation. But I know Matt Smith is staying another 2 years at least. So....this is weird.

Not really; they changed the TARDIS control room for Tom Baker's 2nd series (the really cool wood and brass
Edwardian styled one), but had to change it back because all the fine wood warped during the break between
series 2 and 3.

In theory, The Doctor could change the control room whenever he wants; the way its described in THE DOCTOR'S
WIFE, the process of creating a control room is not unlike applying a desktop manager in X (for all you Linux-y
types out there).


I liked the wood control room. It'd be awesome if they rebuilt it, even if it was just for one episode
 
2012-12-08 08:45:50 PM

wippit: Well, they had an episode where a TARDIS materialized around another TARDIS...


I suspect you're not referencing The Time Monster...

/or Logopolis, either
 
2012-12-08 08:48:33 PM

kimwim: I thought it was a new TARDIS with a new incarnation. But I know Matt Smith is staying another 2 years at least. So....this is weird.


It changed significantly multiple times in the Pertwee and Baker era, and at least once (albeit more subtly) in the Davison era.
 
2012-12-08 08:51:12 PM
Does the other control room still exist? In The Masque of Mandragora the Doctor and Sarah Jane are exploring the Tardis when they come across the dusty, wood paneled control room (which had a familiar old flute lying on the control panel and the third doctor's outfit hanging nearby).
 
2012-12-08 08:55:49 PM
The last scene of the last episode of Doctor Who ever features an old man in a suit, sitting in an imposing, uncomfortable looking chair, on which you can see the word Tardin (the manufacturers name) etched on its large metal wheels. He's spent every night of his lonely life sitting in front of his big bay windows, staring at the stars and letting the candles melt down. Tonight is different, he thinks. And his tired brown eyes slowly close.
 
2012-12-08 08:58:56 PM

kimwim: phaseolus: Somebody refresh my memory -- when was the last time they changed it? Was it when Matt Smith took over, or before then?

When Matt Smith came on. I thought it was a new TARDIS with a new incarnation. But I know Matt Smith is staying another 2 years at least. So....this is weird.


They also switched TARDIS consoles midway through Davidson's run, and if you count the TV movie, McCoy's Doctor did a huge control room overhaul during his time. I'm assuming from the prequel to the Christmas episode that the Doctor has pretty much turned into a hermit after losing Rory and Amy, so there may be long period of time between Angels Take Manhattan and the Christmas episode.
 
2012-12-08 09:07:58 PM

DjangoStonereaver: Not really; they changed the TARDIS control room for Tom Baker's 2nd series (the really cool wood and brass
Edwardian styled one), but had to change it back because all the fine wood warped during the break between
series 2 and 3.


Technically they didn't change it, they were using the "Secondary" control room for that season.
 
2012-12-08 09:19:19 PM
I guess they can call this one....

i.imgur.com

the RE-TARDIS.
 
2012-12-08 09:23:23 PM
www.samsung.com

It's bigger on the inside.
 
2012-12-08 09:32:04 PM

diaphoresis: NeoCortex42: quatchi: Yes, but will the new TARDIS come equipped with one of those new TARDIS Fridge thingies inside or would that be like dividing the universe by zero while crossing the streams?

No, but it will come equipped with one of these: 
[cdn2-b.examiner.com image 485x350]

I'd rather it came with a new Doctor...


THIS. Smith Sucks.
 
2012-12-08 09:45:08 PM

Teresaol31: diaphoresis: NeoCortex42: quatchi: Yes, but will the new TARDIS come equipped with one of those new TARDIS Fridge thingies inside or would that be like dividing the universe by zero while crossing the streams?

No, but it will come equipped with one of these: 
[cdn2-b.examiner.com image 485x350]

I'd rather it came with a new Doctor...

THIS. Smith Sucks.


Thanks for sharing your opinions with the class. Now GTFO.
 
2012-12-08 09:57:56 PM

Teresaol31: diaphoresis: NeoCortex42: quatchi: Yes, but will the new TARDIS come equipped with one of those new TARDIS Fridge thingies inside or would that be like dividing the universe by zero while crossing the streams?

No, but it will come equipped with one of these: 
[cdn2-b.examiner.com image 485x350]

I'd rather it came with a new Doctor...

THIS. Smith Sucks.


Excellent, you stated an opinion. Now discuss WHY he sucks so that people take you seriously. Well thought-out statements go a long way to show people you're not trolling, troll. Err, commenter.
 
2012-12-08 10:04:32 PM

Teresaol31: THIS. Smith Sucks.


Well, compared to a real Doctor, like Troughton, sure, but that's hardly fair. Compared to a twit like Tennant, he's quite the improvement.
 
2012-12-08 10:06:21 PM

Nezu Chiza: Excellent, you stated an opinion. Now discuss WHY he sucks so that people take you seriously. Well thought-out statements go a long way to show people you're not trolling, troll. Err, commenter


Well, you have to admit that Smith hasn't exactly had an abundance of great scripts to work from and his doctor has been tied to the same snooty, petulant companion since his incarnation. I'm willing to keep trying to like Smith, but I'd love to see what he can do with a different companion. I'm sure Smith is a fine actor, but his Doctor vacillates between stupider than a squid and a testy, above average intelligenced squid.

I watched the Doctor Who movie from the '90's the other night. The one with the 8th Doctor that everyone hates. I had to admit to myself that it wasn't the worst Who I've ever seen, largely due to Matt Smith. Well, and the floaty, firey Jesus Doctor story line from a few years back.
 
2012-12-08 10:07:10 PM

t3knomanser: Teresaol31: THIS. Smith Sucks.

Well, compared to a real Doctor, like Troughton, sure, but that's hardly fair. Compared to a twit like Tennant, he's quite the improvement.


Tennant had a good run. Then he got emo. By the time he left, I was rooting for him to die.
 
2012-12-08 10:19:00 PM
betcha its a fake tardis that won't be used
just like the fake doctor that won't be used (wasn't)
 
2012-12-08 10:22:12 PM
Don't get the Smith hate. Perhaps going outside once in a while will help you realize its a tv show.
 
2012-12-08 10:24:26 PM

t3knomanser: Teresaol31: THIS. Smith Sucks.

Well, compared to a real Doctor, like Troughton, sure, but that's hardly fair. Compared to a twit like Tennant, he's quite the improvement.


Well played sir.
 
2012-12-08 10:25:40 PM
Loved Tennant. Hated most of RTD's stories.
Love Smith and LOVE Moffatt's writing.

I would have really loved Tennant with Moffatt running the show.
 
2012-12-08 10:28:07 PM

Pepperjack: Loved Tennant. Hated most of RTD's stories.
Love Smith and LOVE Moffatt's writing.

I would have really loved Tennant with Moffatt running the show.


I'll go one better and suggest Eccleston with Moffatt running the show.

I was really disappointed we didn't get a second series of Eccleston.
 
2012-12-08 10:28:51 PM

NeoCortex42: t3knomanser: Teresaol31: THIS. Smith Sucks.

Well, compared to a real Doctor, like Troughton, sure, but that's hardly fair. Compared to a twit like Tennant, he's quite the improvement.

Tennant had a good run. Then he got emo. By the time he left, I was rooting for him to die.


It all comes down to the writing. RTD. Just not sure..
 
2012-12-08 10:29:50 PM

NeoCortex42: Pepperjack: Loved Tennant. Hated most of RTD's stories.
Love Smith and LOVE Moffatt's writing.

I would have really loved Tennant with Moffatt running the show.

I'll go one better and suggest Eccleston with Moffatt running the show.

I was really disappointed we didn't get a second series of Eccleston.


Agreed on that. Eccleston was outstanding. I think it would be interesting to ask HIM about RTD.
 
2012-12-08 11:44:11 PM
So, curious...

Oswin's first episode ended with her pretty much breaking the fourth wall, and telling us to remember her.

But now its NOT her, but another girl who looks like her?

I know Martha and Amy both appeared on the show as other characters before returning as companions, but this bothers me.

Why bother with a great set up and then ignore it. Or are they going for a wibbly wobbly tomey wimey thing.
 
2012-12-08 11:48:11 PM

badsushi: Why bother with a great set up and then ignore it. Or are they going for a wibbly wobbly tomey wimey thing.


I'm assuming wibbly, wobbly...
 
2012-12-08 11:51:42 PM
I don't see why so many people rag on Tennant. Everyone says he got annoying, maybe there were a couple episodes but I never even noticed. He and Eccelston were what I expected the Doctor to be. I wonder how popular the show would be if it had started with Matt Smith. He's ok as the Doctor, but he has no enthusiasm most of the time. People talk down on him and he just lets it happen. Maybe it's the writing's fault, but I like most of the episodes Smith is in, it's just him I find bland and too dorky(most of the time). I don't know, he just doesn't have what ever I saw in Eccelston and Tennant. Kind of a larger than life fire inside them. Where Smith's portrayal is more dopey and less clever.
 
2012-12-08 11:57:17 PM

badsushi: So, curious...

Oswin's first episode ended with her pretty much breaking the fourth wall, and telling us to remember her.

But now its NOT her, but another girl who looks like her?

I know Martha and Amy both appeared on the show as other characters before returning as companions, but this bothers me.

Why bother with a great set up and then ignore it. Or are they going for a wibbly wobbly tomey wimey thing.


I read somewhere she could be the Doctor's daughter Jenny regenerated. But I haven't really thought about it...I don't like reading about future episodes/plot twists. Which I already have that one and the fact that this chick is coming back in my head. Oh and now a new TARDIS. This is why I was glad I didn't start watching the show until this summer, I didn't know anything. Now I'm caught up and stumble upon stuff with spoilers. I'd rather just figure it out in my head or talk about theories with people rather than read confirmed facts on the net.

/ramblin...
 
2012-12-08 11:57:31 PM

quatchi: wippit: Well, they had an episode where a TARDIS materialized around another TARDIS...

Well, don't keep us in suspense, did the universe blow up or not?

Oh sorry, spoilers. Never mind.


It did have two Ponds.It gets complicated

It's all timey-wimey, wibbley, wobbley.And it gets simplified
 
2012-12-09 12:09:44 AM

teto85: quatchi: wippit: Well, they had an episode where a TARDIS materialized around another TARDIS...

Well, don't keep us in suspense, did the universe blow up or not?

Oh sorry, spoilers. Never mind.


It did have two Ponds.It gets complicated

It's all timey-wimey, wibbley, wobbley.And it gets simplified


Everybody who hasn't watched that needs to watch that.

/Most well deserved *and* worth it slap in the history of moving images.
 
2012-12-09 12:10:52 AM

maxpower007: I don't see why so many people rag on Tennant. Everyone says he got annoying, maybe there were a couple episodes but I never even noticed. [...] Maybe it's the writing's fault, but I like most of the episodes Smith is in, it's just him I find bland and too dorky(most of the time). I don't know, he just doesn't have what ever I saw in Eccelston and Tennant. Kind of a larger than life fire inside them. Where Smith's portrayal is more dopey and less clever.


Among the new shows, I think the Doctor has simply been getting more cheerful and lighter with time. With Eccleston, he had just been through a traumatic experience and was largely dark and bitter. Tennant was still angry, and slipped into sorrow easily, but didn't shove people away quite as much. Smith, however, is more willing to roll with whatever happens, and so is cheerful and witty. His Doctor reminds me of Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

I didn't like Doctor Who the first time I saw it because Eccleston was so much of a jerk, but once I came to love Matt Smith as the Doctor, I was able to go back and enjoy the progression in the Doctor's attitude over the past few years.

/The old stuff is fun, too, but I've seen less of that.
 
2012-12-09 12:21:40 AM

NeoCortex42: quatchi: Yes, but will the new TARDIS come equipped with one of those new TARDIS Fridge thingies inside or would that be like dividing the universe by zero while crossing the streams?

No, but it will come equipped with one of these: 
[Image of Oswin/Clara]


maskofreason.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-09 12:29:11 AM

Starry Heavens: maxpower007: I don't see why so many people rag on Tennant. Everyone says he got annoying, maybe there were a couple episodes but I never even noticed. [...] Maybe it's the writing's fault, but I like most of the episodes Smith is in, it's just him I find bland and too dorky(most of the time). I don't know, he just doesn't have what ever I saw in Eccelston and Tennant. Kind of a larger than life fire inside them. Where Smith's portrayal is more dopey and less clever.

Among the new shows, I think the Doctor has simply been getting more cheerful and lighter with time. With Eccleston, he had just been through a traumatic experience and was largely dark and bitter. Tennant was still angry, and slipped into sorrow easily, but didn't shove people away quite as much. Smith, however, is more willing to roll with whatever happens, and so is cheerful and witty. His Doctor reminds me of Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

I didn't like Doctor Who the first time I saw it because Eccleston was so much of a jerk, but once I came to love Matt Smith as the Doctor, I was able to go back and enjoy the progression in the Doctor's attitude over the past few years.

/The old stuff is fun, too, but I've seen less of that.


If you have Netflix they recenly added 75 episodes of the classics. I plan on starting that soon...cheerful and lighter are ok, and maybe Tennant's Doctor destroying the Master and the Timelords on his exit was symbolization of the Doctor destroying his baggage so he could move on. I just think they did too much at once. Doctor's major personality change(a little too geeky for me) and the huge "improvement" in production/budget. Also, BTVS? What? I freely admit I love that show, and don't see that at all. lol
 
2012-12-09 12:39:41 AM

Pepperjack: Loved Tennant. Hated most of RTD's stories.
Love Smith and LOVE Moffatt's writing.

I would have really loved Tennant with Moffatt running the show.


Ewwww. Moffat writes great episodes, but he's NOT a great show runner. This current season has been painful to watch thus far. He's run the Angels in to the ground, made me grow sick of Amy Pond, and spent months trying to show us how awesome he is (and failing).
 
2012-12-09 12:41:42 AM

badsushi: So, curious...

Oswin's first episode ended with her pretty much breaking the fourth wall, and telling us to remember her.

But now its NOT her, but another girl who looks like her?

I know Martha and Amy both appeared on the show as other characters before returning as companions, but this bothers me.

Why bother with a great set up and then ignore it. Or are they going for a wibbly wobbly tomey wimey thing.


That. Somehow, this might be linked back to the Doctor killed in the Impossible Astronaut.
 
2012-12-09 12:49:25 AM

maxpower007: If you have Netflix they recenly added 75 episodes of the classics. I plan on starting that soon...cheerful and lighter are ok, and maybe Tennant's Doctor destroying the Master and the Timelords on his exit was symbolization of the Doctor destroying his baggage so he could move on. I just think they did too much at once. Doctor's major personality change(a little too geeky for me) and the huge "improvement" in production/budget. Also, BTVS? What? I freely admit I love that show, and don't see that at all. lol


Netflix is exactly where I've been watching the old stuff. It's quite a time commitment, though.

To clarify, I don't think there's a big similarity between Doctor Who and BTVS, but Smith reminds me of Buffy herself. Neither takes their job particularly seriously, they hide their angst most of the time, and they both prefer witty one-liners to inspiring speeches. I can easily picture Buffy quipping, "Fezzes are cool." Well, ignoring the fact that she did actually care about fashion.
 
2012-12-09 12:55:45 AM
img.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-09 01:04:01 AM

Dr. Whoof: NeoCortex42: quatchi: Yes, but will the new TARDIS come equipped with one of those new TARDIS Fridge thingies inside or would that be like dividing the universe by zero while crossing the streams?

No, but it will come equipped with one of these: 
[Image of Oswin/Clara]

[maskofreason.files.wordpress.com image 150x90]


I love that gif! Then again, Tom Baker was my first Doctor, so I'm biased
 
2012-12-09 01:24:33 AM

maxpower007: badsushi: So, curious...

Oswin's first episode ended with her pretty much breaking the fourth wall, and telling us to remember her.

But now its NOT her, but another girl who looks like her?

I know Martha and Amy both appeared on the show as other characters before returning as companions, but this bothers me.

Why bother with a great set up and then ignore it. Or are they going for a wibbly wobbly tomey wimey thing.

I read somewhere she could be the Doctor's daughter Jenny regenerated. But I haven't really thought about it...I don't like reading about future episodes/plot twists. Which I already have that one and the fact that this chick is coming back in my head. Oh and now a new TARDIS. This is why I was glad I didn't start watching the show until this summer, I didn't know anything. Now I'm caught up and stumble upon stuff with spoilers. I'd rather just figure it out in my head or talk about theories with people rather than read confirmed facts on the net.

/ramblin...


My theory:

Oswin pretty much knew the Dalek command network better than the Daleks did. They assimilated her into a Dalek, so her DNA and physical form is on file. The Daleks also have time travel capabilities (as far back as the First Doctor era). I'm guessing that after the Doctor gave her the terrible truth of her reality, she quickly ordered a Dalek assimilation plant to clone a new body with her DNA, rapidly age it to the age she was upon assimilation. With that in programmed and running, she then added the command that her consciousness be extracted from the command network and merged into the cloned body, then extracted her consciousness into the Dalek Command Network before the planet exploded. So her new body was cloned, she was merged into it and she then used the time travel technology to meet the Doctor in the 1800s.

I come to this theory based on what I know: 1) She was shown to know the command network better than any Dalek. 2) Daleks have time travel. 3) She was turned into a Dalek so they have her DNA on file. 4) the audio play 'Dalek Empire 2' mentions the Dalek Emperor extracting his consciousness out of his body and into the mind of a woman named Susan Mendez and the Daleks wanted to put him back into his body, so that part is possible. 5) If she can get the Daleks to forget the Doctor, then she can pretty much order them to do anything, including clone her a new body and drop her off on Earth in the past. 6) if they can create an entire Dalek from one human cell, then it should be easy to create a human from one human cell. 7) They were able to use that sample in 'Victory of the Daleks' to create a series of new Daleks instantly, so why not combine a small number of human cells and create an adult woman? As for where those cells came from, Amy and/or Rory must have had a skin bits flake off here and there. Human cells, her DNA, Clara clone.

/surprisingly, this theory took me less than 5 minutes to work out.
 
2012-12-09 03:12:20 AM

gadian: I watched the Doctor Who movie from the '90's the other night. The one with the 8th Doctor that everyone hates.


Hated the movie, but thought that McGann would have made a great doctor if he had been given a TV gig.
 
2012-12-09 03:14:00 AM
BAM!
greywoolfetarot.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-09 04:44:01 AM

Dwight_Yeast: phaseolus: Somebody refresh my memory -- when was the last time they changed it? Was it when Matt Smith took over, or before then?

I'm really surprised they didn't make a more dramatic change when Smith came on the show. The idea of the interior being the interior of a living being was left over from RTD.


Actually, Lexx did it first - think he may have drawn some inspiration off of that. LOL
 
2012-12-09 05:42:07 AM
I was hoping that for the anniversary year, they'd have gone with something more deliberately suggestive of the original 60's-era console room, but now I'm just hoping that the console doesn't have random bits of junk stuck all over it again.
 
2012-12-09 06:25:22 AM

Premeditated_Road_Rage: I'm really surprised they didn't make a more dramatic change when Smith came on the show. The idea of the interior being the interior of a living being was left over from RTD.

Actually, Lexx did it first - think he may have drawn some inspiration off of that. LOL


The TARDIS was established as a living machine in the first season (1964's Edge of Destruction). If you mean organic living, Doctor Who saw a ship like that in Claws of Axos in 1971...
 
2012-12-09 06:55:23 AM

pseudowho: Premeditated_Road_Rage: I'm really surprised they didn't make a more dramatic change when Smith came on the show. The idea of the interior being the interior of a living being was left over from RTD.

Actually, Lexx did it first - think he may have drawn some inspiration off of that. LOL

The TARDIS was established as a living machine in the first season (1964's Edge of Destruction). If you mean organic living, Doctor Who saw a ship like that in Claws of Axos in 1971...


I was meaning the idea of it 'molting' at a whim. You will have to forgive me a bit on my Who-history as I am a NuWho convert who is trying to make his way back to the 7th Doctor and prior ASAP, but finding it hard as I haven't yet found the DVD releases for those doctors in 'box set' format and have only caught random episodes here and there. I knew that the TARDIS was grown, and can understand the interior change when the 10th Doctor helped RTD 'strike the set' with his explosive regeneration (as composed to 9/10's infinitely less destructive flash of light followed by "Where were we? Ahh... Barcelona..." segue) and figured that, as the Doctor pointed out, the TARDIS was 'regenerating' as well.

I made the comparison to Lexx because their crew stayed steady through the series run but the Lexx molted at the beginning of each season, the bridge altering into a new form without one of the crew members going thermonuclear for a moment.

Thank you for the correction. :)
 
2012-12-09 07:34:07 AM

Great Janitor:
My theory:

Oswin pretty much knew the Dalek command network better than the Daleks did. They assimilated her into a Dalek, so her DNA and physical form is on file. The Daleks also have time travel capabilities (as far back as the First Doctor era). I'm guessing that after the Doctor gave her the terrible truth of her reality, she quickly ordered a Dalek assimilation plant to clone a new body with her DNA, rapidly age it to the age she was upon assimilation. With that in programmed and running, she then added the command that her consciousness be extracted from the command network and merged into the cloned body, then extracted her consciousness into the Dalek Command Network before the planet exploded. So her new body was cloned, she was merged into it and she then used the time travel technology to meet the Doctor in the 1800s.

I come to this theory based on what I know: 1) She was shown to know the command network better than any Dalek. 2) Daleks have time travel. 3) ...


I'm thinking the opposite of that. Clara gets cloned by someone in the future trying to replicate either someone as smart as her or someone who could affect the Doctor, but she(Clone Clara or Oswin as she called herself) either escaped or went rogue and didn't know what she was for some reason. The Doctor then went and met her in the wrong order.
 
2012-12-09 07:38:14 AM

Pepperjack: Agreed on that. Eccleston was outstanding. I think it would be interesting to ask HIM about RTD.


Eccleston left because he was afraid of becoming Tom Baker and being utterly typecast for the next twenty years, not because of RTD.

Speaking of Eccleston, if you want to see a shockingly young Eccleston in an excellent show, check out Crackers on Netflix.

/Eccleston is a really weird guy; I've been following his career since Shallow Grave
 
2012-12-09 08:56:35 AM

Dwight_Yeast: Pepperjack: Agreed on that. Eccleston was outstanding. I think it would be interesting to ask HIM about RTD.

Eccleston left because he was afraid of becoming Tom Baker and being utterly typecast for the next twenty years, not because of RTD.

Speaking of Eccleston, if you want to see a shockingly young Eccleston in an excellent show, check out Crackers on Netflix.

/Eccleston is a really weird guy; I've been following his career since Shallow Grave


Its Cracker and not Crackers. Showed that Coltrane had some real acting skills to go with the comedy skills. Plus Robert Carlyle was scary as one of the murderers.
 
2012-12-09 08:58:49 AM

Dwight_Yeast: Eccleston left because he was afraid of becoming Tom Baker and being utterly typecast for the next twenty years, not because of RTD.


That's what he said at first. More recently, as he's not concerned about burning bridges, he's confessed that he had some serious on-set conflicts. Personally, I think he saw the plan for the second season and bailed. That's where the "Doctaw wuvs Rosssssseeeee" wankery started.
 
2012-12-09 09:08:15 AM

t3knomanser: he's confessed that he had some serious on-set conflicts.


He has a reputation for being -well- crazy. Not difficult, just insane. If you look at his career, it's a series of lateral moves with no clear purpose; he's neither a leading man nor a character actor.

I could see him and RTD coming into conflict. What's ironic was his leaving self-destructed his career in the same way RTD self-destructs every show he creates (except Torchwood, which ended well with that mini-series)
 
2012-12-09 09:14:47 AM

Starry Heavens: maxpower007: If you have Netflix they recenly added 75 episodes of the classics. I plan on starting that soon...cheerful and lighter are ok, and maybe Tennant's Doctor destroying the Master and the Timelords on his exit was symbolization of the Doctor destroying his baggage so he could move on. I just think they did too much at once. Doctor's major personality change(a little too geeky for me) and the huge "improvement" in production/budget. Also, BTVS? What? I freely admit I love that show, and don't see that at all. lol

Netflix is exactly where I've been watching the old stuff. It's quite a time commitment, though.

To clarify, I don't think there's a big similarity between Doctor Who and BTVS, but Smith reminds me of Buffy herself. Neither takes their job particularly seriously, they hide their angst most of the time, and they both prefer witty one-liners to inspiring speeches. I can easily picture Buffy quipping, "Fezzes are cool." Well, ignoring the fact that she did actually care about fashion.


Both RTD and Steven Moffat have said they are big Buffy fans and were influenced by the show. RTD said " "[Buffy the Vampire Slayer] showed the whole world, and an entire sprawling industry, that writing monsters and demons and end-of-the world isn't hack-work, it can challenge the best. Joss Whedon raised the bar for every writer-not just genre/niche writers, but every single one of us."
 
2012-12-09 09:19:54 AM

Flint Ironstag: Both RTD and Steven Moffat have said they are big Buffy fans and were influenced by the show. RTD said " "[Buffy the Vampire Slayer] showed the whole world, and an entire sprawling industry, that writing monsters and demons and end-of-the world isn't hack-work, it can challenge the best. Joss Whedon raised the bar for every writer-not just genre/niche writers, but every single one of us."


Sadly, Buffy was the reason for RTD making the show an hour-long monster of the week thing, instead of bringing it back as a serial, with longer arcs. Moffat is doing an excellent job (as a number of recent shows have -House, Supernatural, etc) of combining the episode format with larger arcs.
 
2012-12-09 09:34:04 AM

machodonkeywrestler: [www.samsung.com image 170x170]

It's bigger on the inside.


Sometimes the "your Mom" jokes write themselves.
 
2012-12-09 09:34:53 AM
Starry Heavens
I can easily picture Buffy quipping, "Fezzes are cool." Well, ignoring the fact that she did actually care about fashion.

Now you somehow made me imagine having Anya(nka) in the TARDIS.

That struggle with being human ("All I have to do is pass as an ordinary human being. What could possibly go wrong?"), that bouncing between silliness, cleverness and darkness and at around 1140 she's even a bit older than the Doctor - well, depending on when she gets picked up; but I don't think the Doctor would have her in her pure demon state.

Plus she would totally do him right there on the TARDIS console.


Premeditated_Road_Rage
I am a NuWho convert who is trying to make his way back to the 7th Doctor and prior ASAP, but finding it hard as I haven't yet found the DVD releases for those doctors in 'box set' format and have only caught random episodes here and there

Yeah, the lack of season boxes makes it a bit difficult.
But as it happens, I've managed to be on a "classic Who"-bender the last couple of weeks anyway.


*cough*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Doctor_Who_serials
+
dailymotion.com
+
jdownloader.org
*cough* 
 
2012-12-09 10:05:53 AM

0Icky0: gadian: I watched the Doctor Who movie from the '90's the other night. The one with the 8th Doctor that everyone hates.

Hated the movie, but thought that McGann would have made a great doctor if he had been given a TV gig.


Too bad we never got this guy
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to play opposite Timothy Dalton's timelord. I don't think the universe could withstand the scenery chewing.

Dwight_Yeast: What's ironic was his leaving self-destructed his career in the same way RTD self-destructs every show he creates (except Torchwood, which ended well with that mini-series)


Please tell me you're referring to Children of Earth and not Miracle Day. Miracle Day was a farking abomination.
 
2012-12-09 06:03:34 PM

0Icky0: gadian: I watched the Doctor Who movie from the '90's the other night. The one with the 8th Doctor that everyone hates.

Hated the movie, but thought that McGann would have made a great doctor if he had been given a TV gig.


His audio play work with Big Finish is top notch.
 
2012-12-09 08:29:45 PM

Dwight_Yeast: t3knomanser: he's confessed that he had some serious on-set conflicts.

He has a reputation for being -well- crazy. Not difficult, just insane. If you look at his career, it's a series of lateral moves with no clear purpose; he's neither a leading man nor a character actor.

I could see him and RTD coming into conflict. What's ironic was his leaving self-destructed his career in the same way RTD self-destructs every show he creates (except Torchwood, which ended well with that mini-series)


I still believe that, even with these points, the plan all along was that Eccleston would only be the Doctor for one
series for a couple of reasons:

There was no guarantee at the time the show was resurrected that it would be a success, and I'm sure that
Eccleston had no desire to be tied up for a long time.

Given that, on the old series, there was always a spike in viewership and interest whenever the Doctor regenerated,
RTD would have been a fool not to take advantage of that, especially if he was trying to tacitly plan for the
possibility that the resurrected show would only last one series, and not just for reasons of crass commericalism.
For the story arc he crafted for Eccleston's series, the only way it could have ended was by having the Doctor
sacrifice himself, and RTD did a bang up job with the "Bad Wolf" arc.

/The Tennant years had more hits than misses, but when it missed it missed big time ("Mary Sue" Tyler being the worst miss of all).
 
2012-12-10 12:41:45 AM

Premeditated_Road_Rage: I was meaning the idea of it 'molting' at a whim. You will have to forgive me a bit on my Who-history as I am a NuWho convert who is trying to make his way back to the 7th Doctor and prior ASAP, but finding it hard as I haven't yet found the DVD releases for those doctors in 'box set' format and have only caught random episodes here and there. I knew that the TARDIS was grown, and can understand the interior change when the 10th Doctor helped RTD 'strike the set' with his explosive regeneration (as composed to 9/10's infinitely less destructive flash of light followed by "Where were we? Ahh... Barcelona..." segue) and figured that, as the Doctor pointed out, the TARDIS was 'regenerating' as well.

I made the comparison to Lexx because their crew stayed steady through the series run but the Lexx molted at the beginning of each season, the bridge altering into a new form without one of the crew members going thermonuclear for a moment.

Thank you for the correction. :)


No problem. :) The Tennant/Smith regenerate-and-the-TARDIS-goes-boom thing didn't really make a lot of sense. It was done because the set needed to be improved for HD but in terms of in-story justification... Not so much.

Back in the classic series the console room would change sometimes (especially in the Pertwee era) without any comment or explanation in some cases, while at others there was an explanation (like in The Five Doctors the console specifically is replaced because it was shot and slightly blown up a couple of stories earlier).

Be happy you have so much Doctor Who to see for the first time! I started back in '79 with Tom Baker and have seen all of the existing stories at least once, but most multiple times. And in the case of the '70s stories, many many many many times. Heh.
 
2012-12-10 01:17:11 AM

pseudowho: The Tennant/Smith regenerate-and-the-TARDIS-goes-boom thing didn't really make a lot of sense. It was done because the set needed to be improved for HD but in terms of in-story justification... Not so much.


It seemed like the pent up regeneration energy was more explosive than normal, which was a bit of a stretch. It would have been better if the TARDIS had been damaged and the Doctor mortally wounded trying to stop the Time Lords and the Master, but that wouldn't have allowed Tenant to do his victory lap. It was really a hot mess of a final story for Tennant. I was really hoping it would have been focused around the Doctor going off the rails after The Waters of Mars, being all Time Lord Victorious and generally farking shiat up so bad rewriting history at fixed points that the Master had to be brought back to take him down, leading to the regeneration.
 
2012-12-10 01:27:25 AM

FunkOut: 0Icky0: gadian: I watched the Doctor Who movie from the '90's the other night. The one with the 8th Doctor that everyone hates.

Hated the movie, but thought that McGann would have made a great doctor if he had been given a TV gig.

His audio play work with Big Finish is top notch.


Couldn't agree more. Big Finish deserves to be more widely known. They actually redeemed Colin Baker fer cryin' out loud!

While McGann got the shaft on TV, it's been a blessing in disguise for the 8th Doctor character. Eight years of novels, comics, and audio plays (audio plays still going strong) prior to the new show is a wealth of material, and as long as the story in which the 8th Doctor regenerates is not produced in any medium, he can continue for years to come.

The Seventh Doctor similarly benefited from the show being put on hiatus, but novels and comics being produced in the meantime. As long as 8 never regenerates, 9 can always return to a time before the new series begins.
 
2012-12-10 01:37:20 AM

DjangoStonereaver: Dwight_Yeast: t3knomanser: he's confessed that he had some serious on-set conflicts.

He has a reputation for being -well- crazy. Not difficult, just insane. If you look at his career, it's a series of lateral moves with no clear purpose; he's neither a leading man nor a character actor.

I could see him and RTD coming into conflict. What's ironic was his leaving self-destructed his career in the same way RTD self-destructs every show he creates (except Torchwood, which ended well with that mini-series)

I still believe that, even with these points, the plan all along was that Eccleston would only be the Doctor for one
series for a couple of reasons:

There was no guarantee at the time the show was resurrected that it would be a success, and I'm sure that
Eccleston had no desire to be tied up for a long time.

Given that, on the old series, there was always a spike in viewership and interest whenever the Doctor regenerated,
RTD would have been a fool not to take advantage of that, especially if he was trying to tacitly plan for the
possibility that the resurrected show would only last one series, and not just for reasons of crass commericalism.
For the story arc he crafted for Eccleston's series, the only way it could have ended was by having the Doctor
sacrifice himself, and RTD did a bang up job with the "Bad Wolf" arc.

/The Tennant years had more hits than misses, but when it missed it missed big time ("Mary Sue" Tyler being the worst miss of all).


I think it also was good to introduce the regeneration aspect of The Doctor ASAP so that new fans would accept it as it inevitably comes. Imagine if the Tennant seasons were all Eccleston seasons and, after years with one actor, RTD had to sell regeneration for the first time to new fans and gamble on people staying for Moffatt.

/I do wonder what Tennant Episodes would be like with Eccleston in his place.
//Smith episodes with Tennant instead as well.
 
2012-12-10 02:59:12 AM
I've loved all of the seasons of New-Who, and all the new Doctors, but I do wish we'd see more of the Tardis besides the control room.

Apparently there is supposed to be a library, individual quarters, and even a pool inside there somewhere? They make such a big deal about it being 'bigger on the inside', but then they never leave the console area.

/The all-white room I've seen in stills from the old series looked far more modern than the fussy encrusted steampunk console they've used since the reboot.
 
2012-12-10 03:05:15 AM

Max Awesome: I've loved all of the seasons of New-Who, and all the new Doctors, but I do wish we'd see more of the Tardis besides the control room.

Apparently there is supposed to be a library, individual quarters, and even a pool inside there somewhere? They make such a big deal about it being 'bigger on the inside', but then they never leave the console area.

/The all-white room I've seen in stills from the old series looked far more modern than the fussy encrusted steampunk console they've used since the reboot.


You're in luck. Episode 11 of season 7 is titled "Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS", so I think we'll finally see more than just the endless corridors that we saw during "The Doctor's Wife". Or at least I hope we do.
 
2012-12-10 07:33:34 AM

NeoCortex42: Please tell me you're referring to Children of Earth and not Miracle Day. Miracle Day was a farking abomination.


Children of the Earth. There wasn't anything after that. RTD went to LA to get a new American series off the ground, but it never came to pass. Probably for the best. I'm still pissed at him for the last (half) season of Queer as Folk.
 
2012-12-10 10:40:45 AM
My eight year old cousin saw Doctor Who for the first time the other week, and thought it was hilarious to call the show "Doctor Poo," and the Tardis the "Retardis."

I couldn't help but laugh, too.
 
2012-12-10 11:09:19 AM

doczoidberg: My eight year old cousin saw Doctor Who for the first time the other week, and thought it was hilarious to call the show "Doctor Poo," and the Tardis the "Retardis."

I couldn't help but laugh, too.


What's your cousin's Fark handle?
 
2012-12-10 11:36:43 AM
I'm thinking the opposite of that. Clara gets cloned by someone in the future trying to replicate either someone as smart as her or someone who could affect the Doctor, but she (Clone Clara or Oswin as she called herself) either escaped or went rogue and didn't know what she was for some reason. The Doctor then went and met her in the wrong order.

Oswin is the end of Clara. She didn't know who she was because she could not know whom the Doctor is. As you might have sussed, the Doctor's new task is to erase himself from history. At some point Clara's memory is completely erased. Once no one knows about the Doctor then the Silence cannot pursue him.

"Silence will fall when the Question is asked." The Question is "Doctor Who?"
Get rid of all knowledge of the Doctor and there can be no alliance to eliminate him.

When the Doctor won Demon's Run without a shot by the mere mention of his name, it seemed like his height. But the Battle turned into a loss. The Doctor thought his legend could defeat his foes. Instead it has jeopardized those he cares about.

The Daleks went to WWII to bait the Doctor to recreate the race. How do you bait the Doctor? Threaten the Earth. How do you kill the Doctor? Kidnap a Companion and steal their baby. The Daleks pluck Amy and Rory off the street. The more the Doctor spikes the football, the larger and more coherent his foes come together to take him down.

Considering Oswin's hack of the Dalek system, she was the one who planted the idea of erasing himself from history.
 
2012-12-11 12:24:48 PM

0Icky0: gadian: I watched the Doctor Who movie from the '90's the other night. The one with the 8th Doctor that everyone hates.

Hated the movie, but thought that McGann would have made a great doctor if he had been given a TV gig.


The books from the 8th doctor are actually really good.
 
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